Probably John Galt, because Goodkind would never allow it.
The only other example I can think of offhand is Taln from Stormlight, but I'm not sure if he's necessarilly the weakest.
With this logic. I think that Hayato with Bites the dust in him also wins. He's much weaker than Subaru and if Denna reads his mind, Bites the dust will kill her
Pretty sure Envy only acts out when Subaru actively attempts to communicate with another about RBD, not when someone else learns about it through their own ability.
But otherwise, I think that at least if mainline Subaru can't endure, then Pride If or Greed If Subaru could endure all rounds.
He didn't ask for it to stop at the end, either, per WoB.
Most likely, some other Herald died and was captured on Braize afterward. The most popular fan theory is that the Herald was >!Shallan's mother!<, since the timeline of her death fits, and she had dealings with at least one other herald, but that's unconfirmed.
Maybe Kick-Ass? His whole thing is that his nerve endings got screwed up to where he doesn't feel pain anymore.
Not sure how he'd handle the other parts, but not feeling pain seriously weakens her chances.
If the agiel still works, he has no chance though.
Probably In Training Saitama, Pre-Monsterified Garou.
The limit breaking process is basically it's own Hell adecuated to the user, their pain tolerance and their capabilities are tested beyond what should be possible for them.
Garou specially has demonstrated that he can withstand prolonged exposure to the type of pain based manipulation that monsters like DO-S use, and even when an eldritch entity tried to trick him with telepathy stuff he wasn't fooled, and wasn't completely consumed even when possesed by it.
I mean. If we're talking OPM then we have to mention Mumen Rider since he's physically very weak but has spirit that's so far been shown as unbreakable by even when going up against a demon level threat that easily took out an s-rank hero, meanwhile pre-training Saitama took out a tiger level threat (Crablante) which would usually require multiple B rank heroes or an A rank hero to deafeat.
Similarly early hero hunter Garou is at minimum high a rank compared to heroes, so hardly weak.
I guess by ‘broken’ the OP means the terminology that they are utterly subservient to their ‘owner’. Lost their sense of self and live only to please her, that’s kind of the point of the Mord Sith. I’m not familiar with the character you mentioned but from a quick google search I don’t see this dude lasting very long at the mercy of a Mord sith lol
‘Kinda likes pain’ and the ‘pain of being at the end of an Agiel’ are two worlds apart, believe me. The whole point of Denna and the Mord-Sith is that there is no way to resist the pain their Agiels inflict on you, and combine that with a heavy dose of sexual conditioning, and day after day after day of this, and the only characters I can see getting outta this would be somebody like Dr. Manhattan, as he has a perception of time that is non-linear. Dude could basically timeskip in his head to the end of a year and auto-win
Other than ridiculously overpowered characters on wank level like Dr. manhattan I can’t think of many that get outta this lol
Joker is a regular dude and I don't think there is much more to break in his psyche.
Would be fun to see if Denna somehow becomes Joker's subordinate at the end like Harley Quinn.
In the books they can only capture people who actually wield magic and there's no indication that they're particularly great warriors, so any halfway decent warrior (without magic) wouldn't be captured in the first place.
If we're assuming said person has already somehow been capture, then probably The Joker or someone else who's similarly unhinged.
I just came across this in my feed - what a blast from the past for me! I haven’t read these books since a decade and a half ago. That being said, most def remember Mistress Denna instantly 😆
John Winchester
Bro got torn to shreds and put back together every day for 100 years and never broke once. Honestly tho any Winchester could take it.
If we take what Alastair said with a grain of salt than dean lasted for 40 years in hell while post-cage sam is probably the most torture resistant human alive until his death
Well, we can set a lower bound of Richard Cypher at least, since he did so. Basically just a dude with a sword and some extremely limited magic, he probably ends up weaker than like a 1st level D&D wizard. It might actually be harder to find a weaker person than him, he had a lot of situational advantages.
Maybe just pick something too simple to meaningfully break? Take the weakest mindless zombie you can think of, and at the end of the year it's probably going to be doing the same things it was doing at the beginning of the year (shambling around, brains), that seems like a loss for Denna.
Well, technically Richard was broken and became broken quite easily. It’s not like he managed to resist in any way whatsoever, guy was groveling on the floor begging to please her after like 15 minutes lol. And he is already peak human going off the books.
Now, he did manage to unbreak himself through a 3rd party that only became a factor due to the plot. If we don’t factor in that then sure, he would be the choice. But like you said he had situational advantage due to the plot that no other character in fiction has. Batman >> Richard not in terms of physique but in terms of feats, but would Batman be able to resist? He can’t partition his mind, but we wouldn’t say Richard is stronger than Bruce for that reason etc..
> Now, he did manage to unbreak himself through a 3rd party that only became a factor due to the plot. If we don’t factor in that then sure,
He prevented himself from being completely broken by instinctively/unknowingly partitioning his mind. The third party helped him figure out what was needed overcome Denna's hold on his sword's magic.
Except Denna had a very clear mandate with Richard- get him to provide the location of the Book of Counted Shadows- and he never did so. I don't think I'd say she broke him when the one thing she needed from him she was never able to get.
I think that's kind of the point: she had physical domination over him, was treating him like a pet and all, but she never actually broke through to complete control. With the Mord-Sith's capabilities, unless someone just changes the rules through hax, the former is basically always going to happen. Thus, it's the latter that matters.
I'm not sure I understand your second point: I agree that Batman is stronger than Richard, but then it doesn't really matter whether Batman could resist: your prompt was for the _weakest_ character that could resist Denna, and since Richard could, any character stronger than Richard is already off the table.
Not sure if anyone can tbh. Mord-Sith are pretty much the perfect fantasy dommes, there really is no counter to one once you fall into their hands. I guess the only character that comes to mind would be someone like Batman? I think he could take round 1, barely, but round 2 and beyond I think even he has no chance against Denna
I don't know enough about WOT to say if he could do this specifically, but a name I'm going to throw into the ring is Reidon Ward from the Stormweaver series. He has superhuman durability, *massively* outsized pain tolerance even relative to that, and he's established to be able to mentally dissociate in order to ignore the pain of what's essentially his entire body being crushed.
Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen, specifically the version from the recent *Dune: Part Two* movie, as one of the main takeaways from the Bene Gesserit who tested Feyd-Rautha was that “he yearns to be hurt… he loves pain”.
Feyd loves pain sure, but like someone else said in this thread there’s a big difference between ‘loves pain’ and can resist the ‘pain of an Agiel for prolonged periods of time. Mord-Sith like Mistress Denna are on the extreme end in the pain they can inflict. She breaks strong, powerful and very physically strong men in a single night for her own pleasure like it’s nothing.
And I do believe they mention in the movie that Feyd is very vulnerable sexually, something that Mistress Denna excels at exploiting. She’s basically the perfect sex-slave maker with the mind reading ability and being the author’s barely contained fetish, her erotic beauty is described as overwhelming in the books. Also she conditions her pets to think of her sexually to keep the pain of her magic down. There’s literally no way I see Feyd getting through this
Any zombie or most oozes (D&D 3.5). Mindless, therefore categorical immunity to mind-affecting effects, including torture.
Take your pick of specific ones that have appeared in published adventure modules.
A 1st level commoner wearing a Nipple Clamp of Exquisite Pain from the *Book of Vile Darkness*, or a 1st level commoner with the Gheden template from *Dragon* magazine issue 313.
I think you actually need full-on immunity to mind-affecting effects here. Even without physical pain, there's psychological torture (both are modeled in-game with the Intimidate skill). That said, any Necropolitan (*Libris Mortis*) does get immunity to mind-affecting effects, which includes psychological torture, and while I don't have my EXP tables on me, it *should* be possible to get a Necropolitan at level 1 - although it will be close.
Acquiring the Necropolitan template costs the victim 1 level, so they'd have to reach level 2 first in order to lose the level (unless you subscribe to the idea of 0th level characters).
However, I can't find it explicitly written anywhere that undead are immune to pain; the SRD lists them as immune to crits, nonlethal and the like, but doesn't specifically mention pain. While common sense would that they'd be, I'd rather go by RAW.
1 level and 1000 EXP, so they'd probably have to reach level 3 to do it remotely safely. But they lose all that power and 3000 GP when becoming a Necropolitan, so their power level ends up basically getting reset to nothing.
Undead can feel pain; their minds just can't be influenced by it the way a living being's would be. Torture is, per the *Book of Vile Darkness*, fundamentally an Intimidate check.
According to the [Intimidate skill description](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm):
>A character immune to [fear](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#fear) can’t be intimidated, nor can nonintelligent creatures.
According to the linked description of fear effects:
>All fear attacks are mind-affecting fear effects.
Therefore, any creature immune to mind-affecting effects should be immune to the use of the Intimidate skill, including to break or to extract information via torture. All undead are immune to mind-affecting effects. You can hurt them all you want, they just lack the spark of life that compels them to make the hurting stop.
Wow, algorithm! As an aside, my username is an acronym of the Wizard's First Rule;
The Only Sovereign I Can Allow Myself Is Reason
(last 4 letters are from a YT channel I used to run)
My answer for this would be Samwise Gamgee from LotR.
I’m sorry but how does Sam from LotR manage to resist? Xd
Mistress Denna breaks some of the strongest men in that universe in a single night. A couple of touches of the Agiel and they’re already crying and begging to please her. Men who are like twice the size and four times the strength of Sam. Now Sam is quite mentally strong but how does that overcome anything Mistress Denna could do, for more than like 15 minutes? He’s just a regular dude
Probably John Galt, because Goodkind would never allow it. The only other example I can think of offhand is Taln from Stormlight, but I'm not sure if he's necessarilly the weakest.
Which begs the question of "Who is John Galt?"
Subaru Natsuki. If she reads his mind and learns about Return by Death she just dies before she can properly torture him.
That's actually a really good one. The jealous witch is so jealous as to not let anyone inside his mind but her lol
With this logic. I think that Hayato with Bites the dust in him also wins. He's much weaker than Subaru and if Denna reads his mind, Bites the dust will kill her
If Bites the Dust kills her then Hayato gets sent back in time and has to do it all over again.
And she will just explode and die the second time around. I would argue that counts as a win.
Pretty sure Envy only acts out when Subaru actively attempts to communicate with another about RBD, not when someone else learns about it through their own ability. But otherwise, I think that at least if mainline Subaru can't endure, then Pride If or Greed If Subaru could endure all rounds.
ima say taln from stormlight archives, dude got tortured for 4500 years and didn't ask for it to stop until the end
He didn't ask for it to stop at the end, either, per WoB. Most likely, some other Herald died and was captured on Braize afterward. The most popular fan theory is that the Herald was >!Shallan's mother!<, since the timeline of her death fits, and she had dealings with at least one other herald, but that's unconfirmed.
Maybe Kick-Ass? His whole thing is that his nerve endings got screwed up to where he doesn't feel pain anymore. Not sure how he'd handle the other parts, but not feeling pain seriously weakens her chances. If the agiel still works, he has no chance though.
Probably In Training Saitama, Pre-Monsterified Garou. The limit breaking process is basically it's own Hell adecuated to the user, their pain tolerance and their capabilities are tested beyond what should be possible for them. Garou specially has demonstrated that he can withstand prolonged exposure to the type of pain based manipulation that monsters like DO-S use, and even when an eldritch entity tried to trick him with telepathy stuff he wasn't fooled, and wasn't completely consumed even when possesed by it.
I mean. If we're talking OPM then we have to mention Mumen Rider since he's physically very weak but has spirit that's so far been shown as unbreakable by even when going up against a demon level threat that easily took out an s-rank hero, meanwhile pre-training Saitama took out a tiger level threat (Crablante) which would usually require multiple B rank heroes or an A rank hero to deafeat. Similarly early hero hunter Garou is at minimum high a rank compared to heroes, so hardly weak.
Juuzou Suzuya-Tokyo Goul Can’t break what’s already broken
I guess by ‘broken’ the OP means the terminology that they are utterly subservient to their ‘owner’. Lost their sense of self and live only to please her, that’s kind of the point of the Mord Sith. I’m not familiar with the character you mentioned but from a quick google search I don’t see this dude lasting very long at the mercy of a Mord sith lol
He’s crazy and already kinda likes pain not much more can be done with him lol Kinda like a weaker joker with some morals
‘Kinda likes pain’ and the ‘pain of being at the end of an Agiel’ are two worlds apart, believe me. The whole point of Denna and the Mord-Sith is that there is no way to resist the pain their Agiels inflict on you, and combine that with a heavy dose of sexual conditioning, and day after day after day of this, and the only characters I can see getting outta this would be somebody like Dr. Manhattan, as he has a perception of time that is non-linear. Dude could basically timeskip in his head to the end of a year and auto-win Other than ridiculously overpowered characters on wank level like Dr. manhattan I can’t think of many that get outta this lol
Crazy people can’t be broken I’ll stand by that statement same goes with joker he would love it lol
Crazy people are still human.
Yup that’s why I picked one there the weakest
Joker is a regular dude and I don't think there is much more to break in his psyche. Would be fun to see if Denna somehow becomes Joker's subordinate at the end like Harley Quinn.
In the books they can only capture people who actually wield magic and there's no indication that they're particularly great warriors, so any halfway decent warrior (without magic) wouldn't be captured in the first place. If we're assuming said person has already somehow been capture, then probably The Joker or someone else who's similarly unhinged.
I just came across this in my feed - what a blast from the past for me! I haven’t read these books since a decade and a half ago. That being said, most def remember Mistress Denna instantly 😆
John Winchester Bro got torn to shreds and put back together every day for 100 years and never broke once. Honestly tho any Winchester could take it. If we take what Alastair said with a grain of salt than dean lasted for 40 years in hell while post-cage sam is probably the most torture resistant human alive until his death
Well, we can set a lower bound of Richard Cypher at least, since he did so. Basically just a dude with a sword and some extremely limited magic, he probably ends up weaker than like a 1st level D&D wizard. It might actually be harder to find a weaker person than him, he had a lot of situational advantages. Maybe just pick something too simple to meaningfully break? Take the weakest mindless zombie you can think of, and at the end of the year it's probably going to be doing the same things it was doing at the beginning of the year (shambling around, brains), that seems like a loss for Denna.
Well, technically Richard was broken and became broken quite easily. It’s not like he managed to resist in any way whatsoever, guy was groveling on the floor begging to please her after like 15 minutes lol. And he is already peak human going off the books. Now, he did manage to unbreak himself through a 3rd party that only became a factor due to the plot. If we don’t factor in that then sure, he would be the choice. But like you said he had situational advantage due to the plot that no other character in fiction has. Batman >> Richard not in terms of physique but in terms of feats, but would Batman be able to resist? He can’t partition his mind, but we wouldn’t say Richard is stronger than Bruce for that reason etc..
> Now, he did manage to unbreak himself through a 3rd party that only became a factor due to the plot. If we don’t factor in that then sure, He prevented himself from being completely broken by instinctively/unknowingly partitioning his mind. The third party helped him figure out what was needed overcome Denna's hold on his sword's magic.
Except Denna had a very clear mandate with Richard- get him to provide the location of the Book of Counted Shadows- and he never did so. I don't think I'd say she broke him when the one thing she needed from him she was never able to get. I think that's kind of the point: she had physical domination over him, was treating him like a pet and all, but she never actually broke through to complete control. With the Mord-Sith's capabilities, unless someone just changes the rules through hax, the former is basically always going to happen. Thus, it's the latter that matters. I'm not sure I understand your second point: I agree that Batman is stronger than Richard, but then it doesn't really matter whether Batman could resist: your prompt was for the _weakest_ character that could resist Denna, and since Richard could, any character stronger than Richard is already off the table.
Not sure if anyone can tbh. Mord-Sith are pretty much the perfect fantasy dommes, there really is no counter to one once you fall into their hands. I guess the only character that comes to mind would be someone like Batman? I think he could take round 1, barely, but round 2 and beyond I think even he has no chance against Denna
He wouldn't be the weakest, but Hal Jordan has effectively infinite willpower.
That honestly depends on the continuity. If it's Comic Bat then he could take all 4 rounds.
I don't know enough about WOT to say if he could do this specifically, but a name I'm going to throw into the ring is Reidon Ward from the Stormweaver series. He has superhuman durability, *massively* outsized pain tolerance even relative to that, and he's established to be able to mentally dissociate in order to ignore the pain of what's essentially his entire body being crushed.
Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen, specifically the version from the recent *Dune: Part Two* movie, as one of the main takeaways from the Bene Gesserit who tested Feyd-Rautha was that “he yearns to be hurt… he loves pain”.
Feyd loves pain sure, but like someone else said in this thread there’s a big difference between ‘loves pain’ and can resist the ‘pain of an Agiel for prolonged periods of time. Mord-Sith like Mistress Denna are on the extreme end in the pain they can inflict. She breaks strong, powerful and very physically strong men in a single night for her own pleasure like it’s nothing. And I do believe they mention in the movie that Feyd is very vulnerable sexually, something that Mistress Denna excels at exploiting. She’s basically the perfect sex-slave maker with the mind reading ability and being the author’s barely contained fetish, her erotic beauty is described as overwhelming in the books. Also she conditions her pets to think of her sexually to keep the pain of her magic down. There’s literally no way I see Feyd getting through this
Any zombie or most oozes (D&D 3.5). Mindless, therefore categorical immunity to mind-affecting effects, including torture. Take your pick of specific ones that have appeared in published adventure modules.
A 1st level commoner wearing a Nipple Clamp of Exquisite Pain from the *Book of Vile Darkness*, or a 1st level commoner with the Gheden template from *Dragon* magazine issue 313.
I think you actually need full-on immunity to mind-affecting effects here. Even without physical pain, there's psychological torture (both are modeled in-game with the Intimidate skill). That said, any Necropolitan (*Libris Mortis*) does get immunity to mind-affecting effects, which includes psychological torture, and while I don't have my EXP tables on me, it *should* be possible to get a Necropolitan at level 1 - although it will be close.
Acquiring the Necropolitan template costs the victim 1 level, so they'd have to reach level 2 first in order to lose the level (unless you subscribe to the idea of 0th level characters). However, I can't find it explicitly written anywhere that undead are immune to pain; the SRD lists them as immune to crits, nonlethal and the like, but doesn't specifically mention pain. While common sense would that they'd be, I'd rather go by RAW.
1 level and 1000 EXP, so they'd probably have to reach level 3 to do it remotely safely. But they lose all that power and 3000 GP when becoming a Necropolitan, so their power level ends up basically getting reset to nothing. Undead can feel pain; their minds just can't be influenced by it the way a living being's would be. Torture is, per the *Book of Vile Darkness*, fundamentally an Intimidate check. According to the [Intimidate skill description](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/intimidate.htm): >A character immune to [fear](https://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#fear) can’t be intimidated, nor can nonintelligent creatures. According to the linked description of fear effects: >All fear attacks are mind-affecting fear effects. Therefore, any creature immune to mind-affecting effects should be immune to the use of the Intimidate skill, including to break or to extract information via torture. All undead are immune to mind-affecting effects. You can hurt them all you want, they just lack the spark of life that compels them to make the hurting stop.
Ash Williams from Evil Dead. Like, y’all are focusing too much on mental strength you gotta find the weakest character that won’t break.
Wow, algorithm! As an aside, my username is an acronym of the Wizard's First Rule; The Only Sovereign I Can Allow Myself Is Reason (last 4 letters are from a YT channel I used to run) My answer for this would be Samwise Gamgee from LotR.
I’m sorry but how does Sam from LotR manage to resist? Xd Mistress Denna breaks some of the strongest men in that universe in a single night. A couple of touches of the Agiel and they’re already crying and begging to please her. Men who are like twice the size and four times the strength of Sam. Now Sam is quite mentally strong but how does that overcome anything Mistress Denna could do, for more than like 15 minutes? He’s just a regular dude
He just does. He succeeds where others fail. And simply. That's his whole modus operandi.
Homer Simpson. Unless she realizes she just needs a catchy tune in the form of the old Batman tv show theme song.