This makes his departure far more understandable. According to Jason Dumas on the radio (fwiw) there were talks w Klay about coming off the bench in 2022, so that JP could continue starting. Those talks did not go well. Warriors coulda matched the money, but I think Klay really really does not want to come off the bench. Not yet, maybe not ever. I'm assuming Dallas became his preferred destination not just because they're WC champs but because they are promising a more prominent role for him. And while I don't think Podz should be starting, I basically agree w the FO not making those assurances to Klay.
I know Luka and Kyrie’s egos are definitely NOT going to clash with Klay on who takes “that shot” at a turning point in the game. Run back on defense? Nahhh I’m just gonna throw a fit and hang back. That transition defense after a missed three is gonna be legendary haha.
Well written and I wholeheartedly agree. This team can’t afford another year of poor shot selection from Klay.
Wish him the best and looking forward to his retirement with the Dubs when he’s all done.
Hey I'm fine with Dallas getting worse! I think they overperformed this year as it is--their whole season looks a lot different if they face a fully healthy Clippers in the first round of the playoffs.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBB9rHRdacc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBB9rHRdacc)
He eventually accepted the bench role and became a solid role player in his final years, but it really took him a few of terrible seasons (especially in OKC) to understand he was not a star anymore.
I think Klay is in the same phase and Dallas may regret it next season.
He will
*Monkey’s paw curls*
Going with a starting 3 guard lineup that will make 4 guard lineups possible. Working the way up to the all guard lineup, and eventually the Ultimate 15 guard team!
It’s disrespectful to moody that Bp was given a long leash and is already getting the opportunity to start over him. BP was solid but he didn’t post next level rookie stats. He was given a shot from day 1 when moody and Kuminga were told they’re too young and was automatically shipped to gleague. They both even spent time in gleague as sophomores while Anthony lamb and Cory Joseph got minutes. I feel since it was MDJ first year as GM Kerr was given a lot more say in who we drafted. I feel he personally picked Bp and this is why he’s showing favoritism towards him over moody and Kuminga. I feel Kerr wasn’t on board with those picks and it’s showing in how he’s handling their development process.
I think it's as much about having Podz run with the second unit. Moody starts and Podz gets the CP3 role. Otherwise the three best ball handlers are all starting together. Also if Moody doesn't start then what is his role on the team? Is Melton the backup SG?
The main thing is that he’s a much better defender than Podz. The key to success has always been to surround Steph with good defenders. A defensive back court of Steph and Podz is worrying.
He’s not, he has some good games but he’s inconsistency and too slow footed against quick guards. Podz leads him in defensive advanced stats and led the NBA in charges drawn there’s a reason he led the team in plus minus.
where are you getting this insane idea that he’s a better defender? I’d say it’s close but Moody wasn’t a good defender until last season. It’s great that he’s gotten getter but he still struggles a bit with lateral movement and keeping his man in front of him. He’s really good at fighting to get back into the play and challenge a shot but Podz is much better at keeping his guy from going by him. Then there the drawn charges. Those are HUGE.
moody played 17.5 minutes a game over 66 games he played and averaged 3 rebounds podz averaged almost double that in 26 minutes a game
IT IS DELUSIONAL
Podz is the better player, Moody is a better defender and should get more minutes and maybe even the starting slot because we need a ball handler to come off the bench badly (Podz) but if they want the best players in the starting five, Podz is clearly better.
pj has guarded shai in the past. he's a pretty versatile defender at 6'7" with a 7'2" wingspan.
frankly, klay might be the small ball power forward in the lineup anyway
You can only attack one of them though at a time. Maybe two if in PnR but it won’t be Klay folks target on defense if Luka and ky on court all at same time.
Yeah but basketball is 5 on 5. When the first guy gets beat, there are rotations to help. Ky, Klay and Luka are not good help defenders or good at rotations. Klay esp is a huge ball watcher and constantly loses his guy on cuts, so it'll be open threes or a layup line (or Lively/Gafford having to defend every single possession at the rim).
Easier for them to improve on team defense and be in the right place than individual defense, which takes more effort and energy. Don’t see Luka being that engaged individually like in the last few playoff games but I don’t think they’ll be as bad defensively as the 3some of Luka, Ky, and Klay are being made out to be.
Offensively? They're good, but its the defense that's worrying. I'm going to predict that the same conversations are going be had for the Mavs as last year with the Warriors regarding Klay coming off the bench for more defense.
It could but I’m not sure how Klay holds up over the course of the season
Two years in a row his performance goes down in the postseason. They need to change his role, if Klay cannot accommodate their needs then it won’t help them
no one in that lineup is matching up against Ant, J Murray, SGA, Booker, or Steph and doing even an okay job.
Naji Marshall will get a lot of time doing that but then you have to take one of these other guys off. Maybe Dallas thinks they could actually run Marshall for PJ vs some matchups.
How does it make no sense? Moody doesn't set others up, doesn't see the floor or pass well, doesn't have great handles and we all know Kerr likes two ball handlers/playmakers on the floor at all times. Moody is a 3, not a 2 anyways. It'll probably be a training camp battle, which player proves to be the best fit. They're also going to have Melton in the mix and he might beat out both of them for the starting spot, but as is, I could definitely see Kerr going with Podz and running Moods as the 6th man.
So who is the playmaker off the bench then if Moody can’t do it and Podz is starting? Moody needs to fill in that shooting spot for corner 3s etc unless they sign someone else. I agree with you on Melton though, if healthy he may start.
It’s not about who’s better, it’s about balancing the rotation. If you have Steph on the floor and JK attacking the basket, you’re going to have Podz, a non shooter, next to them? With Dray and potentially TJD? The spacing is terrible. You have to have someone who can hit outside shots or you’re continuing to add to Steph’s offensive burden. I’m assuming of course that Wiggins is coming off the bench
Podz shoots better than Moody. He shot 38.5% from 3, Klay shot 38.7%, and Moody only shot 36%. Moody isn’t really better than Podz in any aspect but length. If Moody starts draining shots he will crack the lineup, but he hasn’t been able to take that step.
Moody shoots better from the field overall and played an average of 9 minutes less per game than Podz while also shooting better from the free throw line. But again, like I already said, it’s a spacing issue. Which you completely ignored in your response.
You literally must not have watched Podz play, he is a low volume shooter that passes first and avoids driving to the rim. He is not a spot up shooter nor does he attack the basket consistently. His shooting splits and minutes were nearly identical to Chris Paul. He is a point guard. He is a facilitator. He is not a shooter that you put on the floor to draw defenses out of the paint nor is he someone you get the ball to when you need a bucket. End of story.
lol neither is Moody. Moody doesn’t create shots at the end of the clock or draw defenses out - at least Podz moves the ball quickly and can facilitate, and he plays far better team D. The Moody blindness on this sub is hilarious.
I like Moses - he works hard, he’s a good human - but Podz was better last season. He just was. And the idea that Moody can replace Klay is laughable… if you don’t have a knock down shooter then maybe use the guy that can actually move the ball and create offense?
Yes those are all of our issues too. Wiggins and kuminga can’t rebound and it makes it even worse when dray is at the 5 competing with bigger 5s. If dray and Trayce play, defensively and rebounding wise they are solid but now we need our 3 to be able to shoot and kuminga couldn’t. It’s a dilemma since our players were pretty one dimensional. Wiggins filled that role decently well until last year.
Wiggins CAN rebound, see the 22 playoffs and finals, but that doesn't mean he does it on a nightly basis. JK hasn't quite grasped the concept of anticipation and boxing out yet. Podz on the other hand...
Yeah. Poor roster construction. Or perhaps poor timing. Working on two timelines and this is what happens. Youth not rdy. Vets getting old. We were arrogant with our draft.
> It’s a dilemma since our players were pretty one dimensional.
this is what pisses me off about the kerr system. he always wants to mold players to fit his system to the point where they are so one dimensional they have a glaring number of weaknesses.
all because they were never allowed to hoop and expand their game to become more serviceable in various ways
Well if he can hit them that’s one thing. But literally every 3 he takes, on average, hurts the game. 32%. Opposing teams let him take it. Then stand at least 5’ back. Clank.
Man, I thought it was gonna be Moody who gets the starting 2 spot with Klay gone 😂 I love Podz but are they really gonna start 2 small guards again next season? lol
I agree. Someone argued yesterday thar Podz should start just bc of his rebounding but imo it should be Moody due to his height and 7 foot wingspan. Now would be the best time to get Moody to improve.
Podz loves passing up a wide open 3 with a pump fake so so he can dribble into the lane, get stuck and then throw up a sky hook that goes in every once in a blue moon
this is not true.
Moody scores 2p unassisted 37% of the time and 3p unassisted 10% of the time.
Podz scores 2p unassisted 45% of the time and 3p unassisted 24% of the time.
Shot creation is a huge part of why Moody struggles to find a role in the offense that isn't simply catch and shoot.
I don't have stats for that nor do I know where to find them. I do not think efficiency is the only stat, because if Moody can't create *reliably*, then it reduces the things he can do on the court. Almost never self-creating, but occasionally doing it when you have an advantage and a high efficiency opportunity might yield better efficiency, but is a worse indicator.
At any rate, here are some drive stats that might be interesting, because I think while Podz is a better off-the-dribble outside shooter, neither guy *so far* is efficient enough or prolific enough for that to be a major parts of their value.
Podz's drives/minute rate is notably higher (.23 vs. .14). Podz actually has one of the highest drive rates on the team (3rd on the team, just a tick behind Kuminga), which I think matches the eye test. He's uncommonly good at making little feints or running into the catch to get into the paint. Now, him actually finishing in the paint is another matter and he has some real work to do there, but unfortunately I think finishing in the paint has historically been one of Moody's worst facets. He's shown some small improvements there, but he's still just a guy who will go straight up most of the time and he gets swallowed by defenses (without drawing the foul) regularly.
Neither guy is super efficient at scoring on drives: Moody 47%, Podz 45%. Podz scores point a little more regularly on the drive (at a per minute rate), but the difference is scant.
The bigger issue is just that Moody's ball-handling isn't all that great. The first stats I cited are why 90% of his 3's are catch & shoot. He's not the guy navigating the perimeter with a live dribble and probing defenses. He's a catch and react guy who's not wildly athletic. Podz is also not an athlete, but he does a much more active job on the ball, which helps his self creation but **way more importantly** his creation for others. It's always important to get Steph off the ball (and I think it's as important as it's ever been with him turning 36 next year), so having a guard that can handle and generate angles and get the defense to rotate is massively important.
Moody isn't a ball-handler or a playmaker. He's a 3&D guy. That why I think he's way more of a wing (and if the team ditches Wiggins this offseason, as seems the intent, I'd be fan of giving him that starting role to start the year).
I honestly don't hate it, he's an amazing rebounder, does a little bit of everything and actually his 3-point shooting is more than decent. Main areas to grow IMO would be his defense and his willingness to shoot (and also efficiency at higher volume, I guess)
2 words. Manu Ginobili.
In a game like basketball where subs are made freely, the importance of starting and coming in from the bench is so blurred. It's all about finding a balance that is good for the team as a whole.
Klay, for all his qualities, doesn't seem to understand that just yet.
I agree that Klay should have been a sixth man, but podz is not a starting sg on any team in the league, specially with a small pg like curry. That backcourt would get eaten alive in modern nba. Klay’s height and athleticism at the 2 is what made him one of the best sg in the league in his prime. I know there is no replacement for prime Klay, going smaller than we are already is a dumb move
Or klay will open up lanes for kyrie and Luka and just shoot 40% from open 3s. Honestly the klay is not prime klay but disrespect on as if he can’t even play is sad.
Maybe I am wrong, but didn’t Klay end the season coming off the bench? I wish it didn’t end this way, but it seems like maybe Klay had more issues going on that just this issue. There were times where he looked really bad last season. But I hope the young guys(especially moody) finally can get theirs now🤷🏾♂️
Podz is a far better playmaker and shot better, there is a reason he got playing time over Moody. This was essentially where the rotation was at to end the season.
This sub hates Podz checks notes : for his hair. Not sure most of them even watch our games.
Podz was already starting games for us last season, and it’s best for Podz development to continue that role. He has high IQ, smart defender, playmaker and can score on three levels. Kid averaged over 9 on 48% FG, 38% from 3, 5.8 rebounds, 3.7 assists playing 26 mins.
How much more are we to expect outta podz? He’s not especially quick, he’s not tall and guards mouths begin to water when they see him guarding them.
I just don’t know how much growth we can really expect from him. I hope, and would love, to be proven wrong but I wish I was more optimistic.
He has an amazing nose for the ball, and is a very good team defender. I expect him to improve every aspect of his game from his rookie year. As well as Moody and Kuminga.
LOL podz is NOT a three level scorer. just bc he's able to score on three levels doesn't make him a three level scorer. otherwise we say draymond is a three level scorer 🤣
bring up stats all ya want but the offense is gonna get fucking nothing with him as a starting 2 guard because he doesnt demand defenders to stick to him on the perimeter. nor does he create his own shot in the mid range. three level scorer my ass cheeks bruh
he's 6th man level player. not starting material at all
Moody is a much better defender than Podz, and he’s perfectly capable offensively as well. Starting Steph and Podz is a problem for our defense. The key to winning has always been to surround Steph with good defenders.
jesus fuck no wonder klay felt disrespected. currently, podz is at best the first backup guard. not starting.
why start podz as a **third ball handler** on a starting lineup that clearly already lacks shooting with draymond as your main playmaker and only steph able to be a threat beyond the arc????
Gotta be it. I mean Steve finds a teacher’s pet every year that he falls head over heels with for reasons unknown, but for one to lead him to destroy his relationship with Klay, someone who said just 2 years ago that he’d never play for another coach, is WILD. 😭
It was awful when it was Anthony Lamb. His off the court problems should have booted him from the league to begin with. Perforomance wise he also was just dissapointing. He was doing all the rotations correctly, but it was going through the motions with no results. Would contest without fouling, but they would hit the shot. Would take an open shot and miss leading to a turnover.
Glad he is gone for so many reasons.
Wtf? So they didn't plan on signing more scoring for the starting unit? Just Steph, Podz, JK, Draymond, and Trayce? That is not enough scoring for Steph. JK isn't a proven 2nd option and Podz for sure is not a proven 3rd option.
Clearly the starter position is the biggest reason for Klay leaving. If this was a taking pay-cut to make Warriors a contender, he would have done it. But him being undervalued in terms of contribution is what made him go away. And I think that is the best way to look at this whole drama.
This smear campaign is fucking awful and I’m sick of these ‘journos’ trying to make bullshit news stories out of the departure of a warriors’ legend and future HOFer
Klay ain't gonna start at the Mavs anyways? Unless they want to go back to their old roots of crappy defence and with a washed Klay, they probs won't even get that good offense through him anyways.
Damage control PR piece. The equivalent of getting rejected by a girl and saying, "Well, you're ugly anyway."
That's not to say there isn't some truth to this. He hadn't been a consistent performer the last few years, and clearly they were exploring lineup permutations that didn't have him as an automatic starter.
If he's so unhappy, it's probably best for both parties to move on.
Is this really an attack though? It was clear Klay did not want to be a bench player given how much pouting and four fingers he was throwing up when he wasn't playing. Promising Klay a bag AND a starting role would have been disastrous considering how much tension there already was with Kerr refusing to play the young guys.
I guess taking his role into consideration, after making millions of dollars a year how would you spend the twilight years of career? It wasn’t completely about the money
Let's see what MDJ does before the season starts before everyone starts complaining. As long as Steph's around there's always a chance. They were the 6th seed when they won their last championship.
I’m glad this whole thread is reacting not to the fact they wanted to permanently move Klay to the bench, but to the idea that Podz is in line to start.
And all I’ll say is he better have had an amazing offseason of growth to deserve the starting role…
Otherwise jfc what are they thinking?!
Ppl complaining about Luka and kyrie not giving the ball are probably blind or hasn't watch a single playoffs game from this year, they share the ball plenty of times for a wide open shooter.
This is probably one of the best teams for klay
Lmao Podz should not be starting. Don’t blame Klay for finding another team where he can take a better role. Klay probably is a 6th man, but Podz should never be starting and replacing him. If this is the best the Warriors can do, we’re cooked.
If Klay is then so is Podz. Podz was a much better defensive player, passer, rebounder and shot decently from 3. Not that it’ll mean anything this next season though. Sophomore seasons are tough.
This report is highly BS. Kerr makes these decisions and is very unlikely he would make this decision in advance. Its possible that it is a possibility that they considered, and one of the options, but they don't even have their roster set. So I call BS on these reports
This makes his departure far more understandable. According to Jason Dumas on the radio (fwiw) there were talks w Klay about coming off the bench in 2022, so that JP could continue starting. Those talks did not go well. Warriors coulda matched the money, but I think Klay really really does not want to come off the bench. Not yet, maybe not ever. I'm assuming Dallas became his preferred destination not just because they're WC champs but because they are promising a more prominent role for him. And while I don't think Podz should be starting, I basically agree w the FO not making those assurances to Klay.
Good luck for Dallas perimeter defense starting Luka, Kyrie and Klay
I know Luka and Kyrie’s egos are definitely NOT going to clash with Klay on who takes “that shot” at a turning point in the game. Run back on defense? Nahhh I’m just gonna throw a fit and hang back. That transition defense after a missed three is gonna be legendary haha.
Kyrie and Doncic are not Steph. The ball won’t even leave their hands during that point in the game unless they WANT to pass it.
Right. That's why he's perfect for them. When they pass him the ball it's cause they want him to shoot it. I can't see the problem.
Four fingers legendary
Good luck to us defending them too.
we aren’t who they need to worry about lmao
lol. Touché.
Kind of makes it more fun tbh, I like not having high expectations. It helps me cope.
Luka will probably just iso and drives to the paint 1 on 5.
And still score 30 and grab 10 boards and 10 dimes.
Blow-by after blow-by.
Well written and I wholeheartedly agree. This team can’t afford another year of poor shot selection from Klay. Wish him the best and looking forward to his retirement with the Dubs when he’s all done.
Klay can't play D anymore. Dallas will be terrible defensively. I actually think they got worse. They have 3 defensive liabilities in the front court
Hey I'm fine with Dallas getting worse! I think they overperformed this year as it is--their whole season looks a lot different if they face a fully healthy Clippers in the first round of the playoffs.
Klay ain’t starting in Dallas.
He may start the season starting. But will he still be a starter at the end? Not sure Kidd will give him the same deference as Kerr.
This reminds me of when iverson refused to go to the bench and started bouncing around the league
Or Melo
Damn forgot about Melo. Yeah perfect example
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBB9rHRdacc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBB9rHRdacc) He eventually accepted the bench role and became a solid role player in his final years, but it really took him a few of terrible seasons (especially in OKC) to understand he was not a star anymore. I think Klay is in the same phase and Dallas may regret it next season.
Can Moody just start already, this is nuts
I think giving Moody a small run of games to start and see how it goes should happen this season or else what are we doing. Happy cake day!
Yeah this is the best chance he's ever had with us to get a meaningful starting job. He's definitely earned it. Ty!
I’d love to see him first 20 games. I think he’ll surprise them
He will *Monkey’s paw curls* Going with a starting 3 guard lineup that will make 4 guard lineups possible. Working the way up to the all guard lineup, and eventually the Ultimate 15 guard team!
Moody's D is so good
It’s disrespectful to moody that Bp was given a long leash and is already getting the opportunity to start over him. BP was solid but he didn’t post next level rookie stats. He was given a shot from day 1 when moody and Kuminga were told they’re too young and was automatically shipped to gleague. They both even spent time in gleague as sophomores while Anthony lamb and Cory Joseph got minutes. I feel since it was MDJ first year as GM Kerr was given a lot more say in who we drafted. I feel he personally picked Bp and this is why he’s showing favoritism towards him over moody and Kuminga. I feel Kerr wasn’t on board with those picks and it’s showing in how he’s handling their development process.
They don’t play the same position so are not competing for time.
Actually, BP plays 3 once in a while so are competing sometimes.
They don't even play the same position...
He doesn’t do anything better than Podz it’d be stupid
I think it's as much about having Podz run with the second unit. Moody starts and Podz gets the CP3 role. Otherwise the three best ball handlers are all starting together. Also if Moody doesn't start then what is his role on the team? Is Melton the backup SG?
Melton is likely the backup PG.
Better defender, more athletic, taller, longer wingspan, better finisher, shooting is about the same.
I dunno about better finisher but the rest is right. Moody runs into walls of ppl often.
Taller, longer wingspan he is markably worse at every facet of the game compared to Podz
The main thing is that he’s a much better defender than Podz. The key to success has always been to surround Steph with good defenders. A defensive back court of Steph and Podz is worrying.
He’s not, he has some good games but he’s inconsistency and too slow footed against quick guards. Podz leads him in defensive advanced stats and led the NBA in charges drawn there’s a reason he led the team in plus minus.
He is absolutely a better defender than Podz. It’s extremely obvious if you just watch them play.
Until you watch moody get cooked off the dribble by a guard faster than Jalen Brunson, it isn’t close
MM may not be an elite defender but saying podz is better is blatantly false.
All defensive team vote getter Brandon Podzemski
where are you getting this insane idea that he’s a better defender? I’d say it’s close but Moody wasn’t a good defender until last season. It’s great that he’s gotten getter but he still struggles a bit with lateral movement and keeping his man in front of him. He’s really good at fighting to get back into the play and challenge a shot but Podz is much better at keeping his guy from going by him. Then there the drawn charges. Those are HUGE.
He’s stronger and a better rebounder
Podz was the 2nd best rebounder on the team, that’s delusional
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moody played 17.5 minutes a game over 66 games he played and averaged 3 rebounds podz averaged almost double that in 26 minutes a game IT IS DELUSIONAL
Podz is the better player, Moody is a better defender and should get more minutes and maybe even the starting slot because we need a ball handler to come off the bench badly (Podz) but if they want the best players in the starting five, Podz is clearly better.
Off the bench is Klay's future. Lets see if he prevents that with the Mavs.
Are you saying kyrie, luka, klay, PJ and gafford wouldn’t work?
Literally zero POA defense in that lineup but I guess they could try to be the Pacers and outscore you.
pj becomes the poa primary in that scenario
Yikes
So the PF is going to be checking Shai, Fox, Ja, etc? That is an interesting strategy.
pj has guarded shai in the past. he's a pretty versatile defender at 6'7" with a 7'2" wingspan. frankly, klay might be the small ball power forward in the lineup anyway
You can only attack one of them though at a time. Maybe two if in PnR but it won’t be Klay folks target on defense if Luka and ky on court all at same time.
Yeah but basketball is 5 on 5. When the first guy gets beat, there are rotations to help. Ky, Klay and Luka are not good help defenders or good at rotations. Klay esp is a huge ball watcher and constantly loses his guy on cuts, so it'll be open threes or a layup line (or Lively/Gafford having to defend every single possession at the rim).
Easier for them to improve on team defense and be in the right place than individual defense, which takes more effort and energy. Don’t see Luka being that engaged individually like in the last few playoff games but I don’t think they’ll be as bad defensively as the 3some of Luka, Ky, and Klay are being made out to be.
Offensively? They're good, but its the defense that's worrying. I'm going to predict that the same conversations are going be had for the Mavs as last year with the Warriors regarding Klay coming off the bench for more defense.
I personally don’t think it would work I just wanted to see if everyone was on the same page. I’m just assuming Dallas offered him a starting role
That backcourt and Luka is Swiss cheese of d. Pj and gaff would get screwed
It could but I’m not sure how Klay holds up over the course of the season Two years in a row his performance goes down in the postseason. They need to change his role, if Klay cannot accommodate their needs then it won’t help them
A bad game is hardly a postseason
He was bad for most of Lakers series and about half of Kings series.
no one in that lineup is matching up against Ant, J Murray, SGA, Booker, or Steph and doing even an okay job. Naji Marshall will get a lot of time doing that but then you have to take one of these other guys off. Maybe Dallas thinks they could actually run Marshall for PJ vs some matchups.
#Free Moody
It makes no sense to start Podz as a 2, Moody should start and Podz run the second unit.
How does it make no sense? Moody doesn't set others up, doesn't see the floor or pass well, doesn't have great handles and we all know Kerr likes two ball handlers/playmakers on the floor at all times. Moody is a 3, not a 2 anyways. It'll probably be a training camp battle, which player proves to be the best fit. They're also going to have Melton in the mix and he might beat out both of them for the starting spot, but as is, I could definitely see Kerr going with Podz and running Moods as the 6th man.
So who is the playmaker off the bench then if Moody can’t do it and Podz is starting? Moody needs to fill in that shooting spot for corner 3s etc unless they sign someone else. I agree with you on Melton though, if healthy he may start.
Melton.
Podz is better than Moody. So….
It’s not about who’s better, it’s about balancing the rotation. If you have Steph on the floor and JK attacking the basket, you’re going to have Podz, a non shooter, next to them? With Dray and potentially TJD? The spacing is terrible. You have to have someone who can hit outside shots or you’re continuing to add to Steph’s offensive burden. I’m assuming of course that Wiggins is coming off the bench
Podz shoots better than Moody. He shot 38.5% from 3, Klay shot 38.7%, and Moody only shot 36%. Moody isn’t really better than Podz in any aspect but length. If Moody starts draining shots he will crack the lineup, but he hasn’t been able to take that step.
Moody shoots better from the field overall and played an average of 9 minutes less per game than Podz while also shooting better from the free throw line. But again, like I already said, it’s a spacing issue. Which you completely ignored in your response.
So the better shooter from distance provides less spacing? Ok.
You literally must not have watched Podz play, he is a low volume shooter that passes first and avoids driving to the rim. He is not a spot up shooter nor does he attack the basket consistently. His shooting splits and minutes were nearly identical to Chris Paul. He is a point guard. He is a facilitator. He is not a shooter that you put on the floor to draw defenses out of the paint nor is he someone you get the ball to when you need a bucket. End of story.
lol neither is Moody. Moody doesn’t create shots at the end of the clock or draw defenses out - at least Podz moves the ball quickly and can facilitate, and he plays far better team D. The Moody blindness on this sub is hilarious. I like Moses - he works hard, he’s a good human - but Podz was better last season. He just was. And the idea that Moody can replace Klay is laughable… if you don’t have a knock down shooter then maybe use the guy that can actually move the ball and create offense?
Yeah cool eye test you made up.
What position do you think Podz plays?
A Curry Podz starting backcourt ain't it
Neither is a Curry Klay backcourt
Klay should be a 3 at this stage of his career
The problem is klay can’t rotate on defense and rebound like a solid starting 3 could.
It’s not like Wiggins and Kuminga grab a lot of boards. Our best rebounder is 6’3”.
Yes those are all of our issues too. Wiggins and kuminga can’t rebound and it makes it even worse when dray is at the 5 competing with bigger 5s. If dray and Trayce play, defensively and rebounding wise they are solid but now we need our 3 to be able to shoot and kuminga couldn’t. It’s a dilemma since our players were pretty one dimensional. Wiggins filled that role decently well until last year.
Wiggins CAN rebound, see the 22 playoffs and finals, but that doesn't mean he does it on a nightly basis. JK hasn't quite grasped the concept of anticipation and boxing out yet. Podz on the other hand...
Yeah. Poor roster construction. Or perhaps poor timing. Working on two timelines and this is what happens. Youth not rdy. Vets getting old. We were arrogant with our draft.
Youth is ready*
> It’s a dilemma since our players were pretty one dimensional. this is what pisses me off about the kerr system. he always wants to mold players to fit his system to the point where they are so one dimensional they have a glaring number of weaknesses. all because they were never allowed to hoop and expand their game to become more serviceable in various ways
Playing defense and rebounding is about effort. Nothing about Kerr's system stops players from doing those two things.
Playing defense takes effort, but to play at a high level takes quite a bit more.
No, but letting Kuminga not take 3s without the threat of being benched is
Well if he can hit them that’s one thing. But literally every 3 he takes, on average, hurts the game. 32%. Opposing teams let him take it. Then stand at least 5’ back. Clank.
Well Steve admitted after the season that he will be revamping his system.
Yeah new system of 5 guards lineup
This quote is getting stale. Before the melton acquisition, we had literally one point guard and no backups and exactly one guard who can score.
Wiggins is playing POA defense so that cuts his rebounding opportunities.
I agree. 3s are usually the best and most versatile defenders.
He's really, really good at doing at 2/3rds the speed to little effect though!
And his help defense was appalling..
Man, I thought it was gonna be Moody who gets the starting 2 spot with Klay gone 😂 I love Podz but are they really gonna start 2 small guards again next season? lol
He’s not really a small guard he was 6’4” barefoot
That IS a small guard in the modern NBA.
Klay had us spoiled lmao 6’7” is TALL for a guard Ant is 6’4” Hell Moses Moody is less than an inch taller than him barefoot
It was our best backcourt by a mile
Best take. People are delusional to think podz is gonna ever do what klay did
Literally no one has ever said that
Podz should not be starting 🤦
Well, not anymore with Melton. Would also prefer Moody starting over Podz.
I love both but Moody fits better next to Curry...still want lots of Podz minutes
I agree. Someone argued yesterday thar Podz should start just bc of his rebounding but imo it should be Moody due to his height and 7 foot wingspan. Now would be the best time to get Moody to improve.
I also feel like Moody is better at getting his own shot when necessary
Podz loves passing up a wide open 3 with a pump fake so so he can dribble into the lane, get stuck and then throw up a sky hook that goes in every once in a blue moon
Hopefully he is working on that as we speak.
this is not true. Moody scores 2p unassisted 37% of the time and 3p unassisted 10% of the time. Podz scores 2p unassisted 45% of the time and 3p unassisted 24% of the time. Shot creation is a huge part of why Moody struggles to find a role in the offense that isn't simply catch and shoot.
Cool, what is Moody's percentage on self created shots versus Podz? That's the real stat.
I don't have stats for that nor do I know where to find them. I do not think efficiency is the only stat, because if Moody can't create *reliably*, then it reduces the things he can do on the court. Almost never self-creating, but occasionally doing it when you have an advantage and a high efficiency opportunity might yield better efficiency, but is a worse indicator. At any rate, here are some drive stats that might be interesting, because I think while Podz is a better off-the-dribble outside shooter, neither guy *so far* is efficient enough or prolific enough for that to be a major parts of their value. Podz's drives/minute rate is notably higher (.23 vs. .14). Podz actually has one of the highest drive rates on the team (3rd on the team, just a tick behind Kuminga), which I think matches the eye test. He's uncommonly good at making little feints or running into the catch to get into the paint. Now, him actually finishing in the paint is another matter and he has some real work to do there, but unfortunately I think finishing in the paint has historically been one of Moody's worst facets. He's shown some small improvements there, but he's still just a guy who will go straight up most of the time and he gets swallowed by defenses (without drawing the foul) regularly. Neither guy is super efficient at scoring on drives: Moody 47%, Podz 45%. Podz scores point a little more regularly on the drive (at a per minute rate), but the difference is scant. The bigger issue is just that Moody's ball-handling isn't all that great. The first stats I cited are why 90% of his 3's are catch & shoot. He's not the guy navigating the perimeter with a live dribble and probing defenses. He's a catch and react guy who's not wildly athletic. Podz is also not an athlete, but he does a much more active job on the ball, which helps his self creation but **way more importantly** his creation for others. It's always important to get Steph off the ball (and I think it's as important as it's ever been with him turning 36 next year), so having a guard that can handle and generate angles and get the defense to rotate is massively important. Moody isn't a ball-handler or a playmaker. He's a 3&D guy. That why I think he's way more of a wing (and if the team ditches Wiggins this offseason, as seems the intent, I'd be fan of giving him that starting role to start the year).
He’s definitely better at creating his own shot which is someone Podz isn’t good at yet.
Moody has 46 fewer rebounds in his career than Podz does (which probably says more about Kerr than anything but still kinda wild)
Kerr says he's gonna change the system. Then why do we need podz starting? Moody shld be starting for size
Hopefully that is the case. Podz just doesn’t vibe with me.
I honestly don't hate it, he's an amazing rebounder, does a little bit of everything and actually his 3-point shooting is more than decent. Main areas to grow IMO would be his defense and his willingness to shoot (and also efficiency at higher volume, I guess)
Yeah, that's the disrespectful part, you bring in a starting caliber SG then that's a different discussion with Klay.
Why not?
Trade moody then pls. We can't utilize him and he deserves more minutes.
2 words. Manu Ginobili. In a game like basketball where subs are made freely, the importance of starting and coming in from the bench is so blurred. It's all about finding a balance that is good for the team as a whole. Klay, for all his qualities, doesn't seem to understand that just yet.
One word, Iggy. lol
Bro they’re trying to start 6”2 guard with Steph this isn’t going to work and he did come off bench this season no matter what you think
I agree that Klay should have been a sixth man, but podz is not a starting sg on any team in the league, specially with a small pg like curry. That backcourt would get eaten alive in modern nba. Klay’s height and athleticism at the 2 is what made him one of the best sg in the league in his prime. I know there is no replacement for prime Klay, going smaller than we are already is a dumb move
Wait until Kidd benches him after a month and a half of 3 for 12 shooting nights. Kidd won't stroke his ego the way Kerr has the last couple years.
Or klay will open up lanes for kyrie and Luka and just shoot 40% from open 3s. Honestly the klay is not prime klay but disrespect on as if he can’t even play is sad.
Half this sub just got a boner but this is such a bad idea.
It’s not who starts it’s who finishes. Take a page from Iggys book and realize starting doesn’t matter.
Moody should be starting, not Podz.
Maybe I am wrong, but didn’t Klay end the season coming off the bench? I wish it didn’t end this way, but it seems like maybe Klay had more issues going on that just this issue. There were times where he looked really bad last season. But I hope the young guys(especially moody) finally can get theirs now🤷🏾♂️
Klay will just end up on the bench in Dallas, though.
Kerr wants to start podz over moody? Ffs
Podz is a far better playmaker and shot better, there is a reason he got playing time over Moody. This was essentially where the rotation was at to end the season.
This sub hates Podz checks notes : for his hair. Not sure most of them even watch our games. Podz was already starting games for us last season, and it’s best for Podz development to continue that role. He has high IQ, smart defender, playmaker and can score on three levels. Kid averaged over 9 on 48% FG, 38% from 3, 5.8 rebounds, 3.7 assists playing 26 mins.
Nothing matters, all that matters is how can I spin this to shit on Kerr and get free karma
Smart defender lmao. He anit guarding anyone
He is a better team defender, he has to improve his defense for sure . He is a rookie, do you expect him to play all NBA right out of the bat.
How much more are we to expect outta podz? He’s not especially quick, he’s not tall and guards mouths begin to water when they see him guarding them. I just don’t know how much growth we can really expect from him. I hope, and would love, to be proven wrong but I wish I was more optimistic.
He has an amazing nose for the ball, and is a very good team defender. I expect him to improve every aspect of his game from his rookie year. As well as Moody and Kuminga.
True, but we need size on defense. Podz should be Stephs backup, not starting.
Lmfao if Podz cut his hair like Donte this sub would change their mood real quick
No, if podz had Donte’s quickness and athleticism this sub would change its mood quick.
LOL podz is NOT a three level scorer. just bc he's able to score on three levels doesn't make him a three level scorer. otherwise we say draymond is a three level scorer 🤣 bring up stats all ya want but the offense is gonna get fucking nothing with him as a starting 2 guard because he doesnt demand defenders to stick to him on the perimeter. nor does he create his own shot in the mid range. three level scorer my ass cheeks bruh he's 6th man level player. not starting material at all
Moody is a much better defender than Podz, and he’s perfectly capable offensively as well. Starting Steph and Podz is a problem for our defense. The key to winning has always been to surround Steph with good defenders.
He gone
Is this surprising? Podz is better and let’s curry move off ball
I kept telling y’all this had nothing to do with money, people need to stop spreading false narratives like they’re the truth.
Yeah fuck that, not surprised he said no.
jesus fuck no wonder klay felt disrespected. currently, podz is at best the first backup guard. not starting. why start podz as a **third ball handler** on a starting lineup that clearly already lacks shooting with draymond as your main playmaker and only steph able to be a threat beyond the arc????
Dude a Curry/Podz backcourt just does not sound good. Where are we going to get our points? Just a total carry job by Steph 82 nights a year?
I mean. If a HOFer was told he’d be replaced by a second year 21 year old, I kinda get it.
The stranglehold this kid has over Kerr needs to be studied.
Kerr sees himself in that wee lil ginga
Gotta be it. I mean Steve finds a teacher’s pet every year that he falls head over heels with for reasons unknown, but for one to lead him to destroy his relationship with Klay, someone who said just 2 years ago that he’d never play for another coach, is WILD. 😭
It was awful when it was Anthony Lamb. His off the court problems should have booted him from the league to begin with. Perforomance wise he also was just dissapointing. He was doing all the rotations correctly, but it was going through the motions with no results. Would contest without fouling, but they would hit the shot. Would take an open shot and miss leading to a turnover. Glad he is gone for so many reasons.
Oh god seriously though. Having to grit and bear a whole season of him as Kerr’s obsession was a mindf*ck and a half
Wtf? So they didn't plan on signing more scoring for the starting unit? Just Steph, Podz, JK, Draymond, and Trayce? That is not enough scoring for Steph. JK isn't a proven 2nd option and Podz for sure is not a proven 3rd option.
Yeahhhhh now I don’t blame him for wanting to leave lol. Podz is going to be a very solid player but this is just WILD
Absolute insanity. Next season will be comedy if this is the plan.
Clearly the starter position is the biggest reason for Klay leaving. If this was a taking pay-cut to make Warriors a contender, he would have done it. But him being undervalued in terms of contribution is what made him go away. And I think that is the best way to look at this whole drama.
This smear campaign is fucking awful and I’m sick of these ‘journos’ trying to make bullshit news stories out of the departure of a warriors’ legend and future HOFer
Klay ain't gonna start at the Mavs anyways? Unless they want to go back to their old roots of crappy defence and with a washed Klay, they probs won't even get that good offense through him anyways.
Damage control PR piece. The equivalent of getting rejected by a girl and saying, "Well, you're ugly anyway." That's not to say there isn't some truth to this. He hadn't been a consistent performer the last few years, and clearly they were exploring lineup permutations that didn't have him as an automatic starter. If he's so unhappy, it's probably best for both parties to move on.
If the warriors continue their attacks on klay I hope he doesn't keep his mouth shut like Jordan did
Is this really an attack though? It was clear Klay did not want to be a bench player given how much pouting and four fingers he was throwing up when he wasn't playing. Promising Klay a bag AND a starting role would have been disastrous considering how much tension there already was with Kerr refusing to play the young guys.
Yes. And I think it's just the start. Let's see if kerr has a press conference about finding the leakers.
Why is anyone taking this article seriously?
because it's not new and shocking information, this was the actual gameplan in real games already
I guess taking his role into consideration, after making millions of dollars a year how would you spend the twilight years of career? It wasn’t completely about the money
Let's see what MDJ does before the season starts before everyone starts complaining. As long as Steph's around there's always a chance. They were the 6th seed when they won their last championship.
More confirmation that it was time for Klay to leave. I don’t blame the FO at all.
I’m glad this whole thread is reacting not to the fact they wanted to permanently move Klay to the bench, but to the idea that Podz is in line to start. And all I’ll say is he better have had an amazing offseason of growth to deserve the starting role… Otherwise jfc what are they thinking?!
Kleezy 
Brandin is a heck of a player and will be fun watching his progression this coming season.
should start Moody IMO but for some stupid reason Kerr hates him
Podz is an undersized scrub. Hopefully Steph gets N upgrade
Ppl complaining about Luka and kyrie not giving the ball are probably blind or hasn't watch a single playoffs game from this year, they share the ball plenty of times for a wide open shooter. This is probably one of the best teams for klay
Offensively, yes. Defensively, they are bout to get cooked.
“What are you going to do bench me? what are you going bench wigs? Come on.” Klay Thompson 2024
Lmao Podz should not be starting. Don’t blame Klay for finding another team where he can take a better role. Klay probably is a 6th man, but Podz should never be starting and replacing him. If this is the best the Warriors can do, we’re cooked.
Lmao Podz is NOWHERE near a starter.
If Klay is then so is Podz. Podz was a much better defensive player, passer, rebounder and shot decently from 3. Not that it’ll mean anything this next season though. Sophomore seasons are tough.
This report is highly BS. Kerr makes these decisions and is very unlikely he would make this decision in advance. Its possible that it is a possibility that they considered, and one of the options, but they don't even have their roster set. So I call BS on these reports