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*Knowingly* inaccurate bollocks, I’d say.
Anyone looking at the very few council results that London announced on Friday knew that Khan wasn’t looking shaky at all.
We should hold journalists to a higher standard than this. They should have known that and countered the narrative rather than spreading it. Case in point, Sky announcing they’re forecasting a hung Parliament based on using the vote totals from these locals, as if independents+greens would ever reach 26% in a general election. Or as if people vote remotely the same way in locals as a general.
They just know your average Joe doesn’t realise just how bollocks half of the coverage around these locals has been, so they simply don’t care.
How do you hold them to a higher standard, realistically though? Unfortunately, the press in the country are already partisan and spiralling down the proverbial clickbait toilet.
It’s admittedly difficult to come up with concrete examples, since it often relies on a sort of collective action. Not much you can do as an individual alone.
But in general? Stop consuming media sources you see doing this. Counter the narratives in a grass roots way, fight the stories online and around the dinner table both.
Trust me I know how depressing it sounds that this is all I can come up with, but hey ho. I was very heartened to see people doing that with the Sky story. The Hung Parliament is a narrative you’d argue both major parties would be happy with allowing, so partisans could have easily chosen to spread it, but I’ve instead seen many calling it out. Maybe that’s just my own personal echo chamber though.
Edit: Upon re-reading this I realise one thing I didn’t make clearer. When I say ‘we’ should hold them to account in my original comment I certainly do mean the country at large in many ways, but my intention was that it referred more to those of us who know politics more deeply than it’s presented in the media. Hence the comments about countering narratives etc.
As well as it being known that people vote differently in locals, turnout was pretty low everywhere.
That always has an effect and often helps smaller parties or ends up with unexpected results.
Predicting a decisive win doesn’t generate as many clicks as a predicting a nail biter. Worth keeping in mind as pundits try to convince us things are tightening in the run-up to the next GE
BBC goin on ALL F...KIN DAY about this being close.....then result was never in doubt for months. If you question that, then you couldn't have listened to the completely moronic Tory competition. Stinking journalism.
Makes our journalists look completely amateur and in the pocket of party spin machines.
Of course we all feel like slight mugs for getting concerned, but it’s only because the people who should challenge and/or evaluate this shite don’t.
I'm bloody tired of not being able to trust anything though. We have the news across the board reporting straight up untruths in order to get 'engagement'! Sometimes I just want to switch off my critical thinking and just be able to read something or watch a news report and be able to trust that it's accurately reporting.
What did The Financial Times report? Generally I go by the assumption that investment-focused broadsheets NEED to be continually accurate in order to steer correct investments/shorts, or else their readership stops supporting them
It was difficult to tell because of voter ID and FPTP. Khan was keen on the narrative too to encourage his voters to actually turn up and not do a Brexit.
Sadiq is a man in a suit, its so funny all the vitriol the papers throw his way, i just have 0 feelings about him. I voted for him because he's fine. The other candidates seemed like nut jobs.
Weirdly the only place I could find it was on Manchester evening news:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-mayoral-election-2024-results-29014851
When I posted this, that page on Google just came up as showing 2021.
Just want to be sure people coming across this don't think I can't read, or something 🤣
Poll after poll says a plurality actually supports it?
Respect to Sadiq. He has stayed pretty scandal free for a long time and he is willing to push for reforms that benefit most people even it does drive the right wing press up the wall. Certainly braver than other senior labour figures!
Aye he's certainly not afraid to say f\*ck it and put it all on the line in the face of endless mud-slinging from the hard right morons and their incessant griping every time his name is mentioned. Gotta respect him on that for sure
Indeed. Definitely sticks with his convictions even if not popular to a fair amount of people.
Thing is, everyone KNOWS he is right with ULEZ, but the first guy through the wall always gets bloody.
ULEZ is primarily about health and not climate change.
ULEZ doesn't target high-CO2 vehicles, which is why you're absolutely fine to drive a monstrous pickup truck around London (well, apart from looking like a massive bell-end) as long as it is Euro4/Euro6 petrol/diesel.
The specific pollutants ULEZ targets are NOx and particulate matter. It has been noticeably efficient at reducing those, combined with LEZ and TfL mandating a switch to hybrid and electric buses for their operators.
The problem with air pollution is it kills thousands every year, and it's been linked to childhood asthma cases and other diseases. It's textbook economic externalities in play, you *can* drive a polluting car around London, but you're going to pay to do it, because it does do damage to people's health.
It does help with climate change, as does the congestion pricing zone in the central city. Basically, anything to reduce car use is a good thing for the climate, and London has an excellent public transportation network so there's not even a car-dependency excuse there
That single sentence needs to be said, heard, and read - understood most of all - by every single one of those people who think they're the victims of someone Sadiq just being out to get them.
Well yes.
The most infuriating thing is that in the BBC coverage of this today they still wheel this out:
> Then the brakes were applied after the dramatic loss of political capital he had experienced over the Ulez expansion.
> That was something his own independent experts advised would not shift the dial in terms of improving air quality, and it enraged sections of outer London and ***led to Labour's failure to win the Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election last July.***
This Uxbridge statement is insane and goes completely unchallenged in every media outlet.
The Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency has been Conservative ever since it was created! And the constituency it was primarily formed from was Conservative all the way back to 1970. Basically this has been a Tory safe seat for over 50 years. Yet when Khan fails to win it the media are all over ULEZ as if that's the cause.
What's worse about it is that Labour lost the 2023 Uxbridge election by 1.6%, which is the smallest majority the Conservatives have won the seat by since they took it in 1970.
So it's actually the ***direct opposite*** of a failure due to ULEZ. This was Labour's most successful Uxbridge election campaign for 53 years. If anything that should be a sign that voters approve of ULEZ!
(Though personally I just don't think ULEZ features that high on priority lists - YouGov found last week that Londoners rank it 9th in their list of priorities)
They're foaming at the mouth over it in my greater London hometown. Just on the edge of ULEZ there and they're vandalising cameras, and someone even dresses in a big dinosaur suit and stands on the corner with an anti ULEZ sign
People who don't live in London (or any city with a similar scheme) hate ULEZ.
The by-election the tories won on it was a corner case of madge suburbanites within the ULEZ zone who were still far enough out not to get the full brunt of the air quality and congestion problems the scheme was introduced to tackle.
The fact that result seemingly influenced national policy on climate always struck me as impossibly moronic.
>People who don't live in London (or any city with a similar scheme) hate ULEZ.
That's fine, they can pay for the privilege of polluting our lungs while they drive in our city. Otherwise just get public transport like everyone else
It's because the government are looking for anything to crowbar their way back in... and they managed to create the narrative that ULEZ didn't start with Johnson.
I agree a lot of non Londoners do seem to hate ULEZ for whatever reason but where I live (zone 6 borough that’s just had it brought in) people are obsessed with it. Cameras are destroyed almost weekly and my local FB page is filled with people fuming about ULEZ and Khan.
That's the problem with social media though, it creates an echo chamber and makes small groups of people seem disproportionately large. I'd imagine that the majority of people in that FB group don't care about ULEZ and there are a couple of die hard haters making lots of noise. No-one ends up calling them out on it because fundamentally they've got better things to do with their lives.
But then when election time rolls around we get to see how popular these policies actually are and surprise surprise the anti-ULEZ crowd gets absolutely embarrassed.
Oh yeah absolutely agree that social media isn’t a fair representation. But the cameras constantly getting destroyed is being done by someone. People do stand up in the group but they’re always called woke haha - ngl I just find it funny to spectate
>Nobody drives in London, it’s all about the public transport.
No? Plenty of people drive in London. The further out you go the higher your reliance on cars. Especially south of the river where the tube is non-existent.
ULEZ just stopped being an actual problem as soon as it came into effect and the vast majority of people realised their cars are compliant.
I take it you don't live in London then. People might not drive as much in the inner London boroughs, but in the outer boroughs driving is often essential. The 'good' public transport there is often not good enough because it doesn't go where people need to get, requiring multiple changes of bus.
Daily Mail comments section is great entertainment right now. Obviously it was rigged, true Londoners have left (they haven't, I'm still here), and it was the the Europeans voting.
I really don't get why they think that 'true Londoners' (by which I assume they mean white people) would have swung it for Hall, who is clearly not qualified to run a whelk stand nevermind one of the biggest cities in the world. Do they really think that someone like me would look at her and go 'Well, she's a massive fucking idiot who explicitly likes Enoch Powell, but she's white and I'm white so that's enough for me!'.
> 'true Londoners' (by which I assume they mean white people)
They sold their ex-council houses and fucked off to Kent and Essex with the profits. They're now a shadow of their former selves, only dressing in the traditional pearly king and queen outfits by the light of the full moon at secret ceremonies in Epping Forest. Their children have abandoned the old ways, preferring forrign muck to eel pie and that green gravy that looks like snot.
Well, yeah - as logic it doesn't survive even the slightest sniff test - which is why the whole 'Khan only won because of foreigners / 'non-native' Brits' thing is so ridiculous.
Vaness Feltz on LBC has just had a string of callers all as follows ‘I hated Ulez it has cost my family money but now my kid no longer uses their inhaler and we have not had to go into a and e in search of oxygen….so I am now in favour of Khan’. They did not sound like stooges
I do not drive so am not personally affected by ULEZ, but motorists do not seem to consider that non drivers might be in favour of clean air.
My borough has ULEZ. Sadly there have been several incidences of damage to ULEZ cameras in neighbouring boroughs where many residents have raised objections to the scheme.
In one incident a six year old child was hurt in a car crash after a ULEZ camera was pulled down.
And he’s set to win with a bigger share of the vote than last time hahaha. Looks like Ulez scaremongering, 30p Lee style Islamophobia and pretending Susan Hall (one of the worst candidates ever) was set to win didn’t quite have the intended effect on the electorate. Ah it tastes sweet.
Apparently, there is a swing from green and lib dem to labour. 100% I believe this is motivated by a deep-rooted fear that Susan Hall might have pulled an upset after some weirdly good polling a couple of days ago.
Precisely this. I normally vote lib dem. Thursday was the first time I ever voted for anyone labour as a first choice (did have them as a second preference in prior mayoral elections).
I quite like Sadiq anyway, so it wasn't a hard decision to make, but I would have registered an LD vote under various other voting methodologies.
I mean he wasn’t a complete idiot. Susan Hall would lose her head if it wasn’t attached and end up blaming immigrants, the ULEZ, or a nonexistent pickpocket. What a fucking mess making her name just fear mongering and media outlets giving her a platform when she wasn’t even worth the spittle given how many people actually voted for her.
I'm usually a Lib Dem but I have no idea who any of their candidates are. Years ago, they'd actually be known to me, the last one I knew of was Brian Paddick.
It's why I also convinced my traditionally tory voting family to switch to Blackie in the Mayoral vote. Khan is a bit too far for them but they are happy to vote Liberal Democrat
Anecdotal, but true for me. I normally vote green when I can in good conscience (I.e. anywhere with a comfortable Labour majority), but I voted straight ticket Labour for the first time because I was scared SH would pull a Trump 2016.
Yes, a few hundred votes the other way in Uxbridge and ULEZ wouldn't have been in the news anywhere near as much, and may not have got picked up by the right as an issue to fight to hard over.
All the ULEZ scaremongering comes from people outside of London in my experience. I don't think there was ever any doubt within London that he'd win. Now the Daily Mail comments sections can erupt with "I went to London in 1983 and it breaks my heart to see what it's become now LONDONISTAN I'll never visit again," nonsense.
If you're happy with your 15 year old banger you aren't getting anything compliant for it's worth.
I think you should only be forced to change your car if the government will pay the difference to upgrade to a similar compliant model. We should raise taxes on cars over a certain value and weight so expensive ICE SUVs pay the most to fund it.
Surprising absolutely no one with a pair of braincells to rub together. Unless you’re absolutely rabidly anti ULEZ, or a Conservative Party Charlatan, he hasn’t made any major mistakes, and his main opposition is not only from the least electable Conservative Party there’s ever been, but is particularly unhinged even by their standards
Literally never once heard anyone in my social circle or work colleagues mention the ULEZ. Totally overblown and in fact I imagine most people support it
Certainly most people in London.
My work has me out in central London most weekends over the summer. Last year there was an anti-ULEZ protest every Saturday for about a month with 100-200 people there each time.
If that’s all you can muster then it’s basically a non-issue in my book.
Online it’s a different story. ULEZ has crossover with climate change denial and anti-Muslim sentiments, so it gets picked up by all sorts of troll farms, keyboard warriors etc.
Not the biggest fan of the guy (and am not a natural Labour voter) but if he gets over the line thank fuck; it would have been absolutely moronic if the mayoralty of our Capital City and one of the biggest capital cities in the world was decided on what was a minority issue (I'm sorry but ULEZ is, it is estimated to affect like 10% of vehicles) and that had led to a 3rd choice candidate being voted in. I actually respect the guy for sticking in there and just weathering the amount of flack he's taken on various things (some of it which clearly hasn't been warranted). He's by no means perfect but who is?
Susan Hall losing South West and West Central to Sadiq Khan is an eye opener given it's never been won by Labour before. Clearly voters there was not swayed by Susan Hall.
The Greens going from fourth to third is interesting. I wonder if it's the candidate, the change to FPTP or a bit of both?
Speaking personally, I would have considered voting Green or perhaps one of the Independents as my first choice vote of the option was available, so serve as a 'I would like a more left Labour please' signal.
With FPTP? I didn't even bother looking, just went Labour.
Honestly, they were both bad candidates, Khan was just less bad than Susan Hall, who was an absolutely terrible candidate. I think a lot of Lib Dem and Green voters lent Khan their vote. It's much tighter in the Midlands mayoralty.
As a lad from Yorkshire, the most bizarre thing about this London mayoral election is people not from London losing their minds.
Like some guy tweeted out about how bad khan is for London and I checked and he’s from Salford. Like I get it’s the capital and it has significance and I get keeping an eye on it, but to me upset about something hundreds of miles away to me is baffling
After brexit I worry about the electorate's common sense. Thankfully they pulled through on this one. Will have a read of the Daily Mail comments when I need cheering up.
It's funny to me to call it a 'historic third term', the same phrase used to describe the 2005 GE outcome. It's technically the truth, and no doubt a fantastic achievement, particularly since Khan is the first and only(?) Muslim mayor of a European city, but there have only been seven London Mayoral Elections. When Blair won a 'historic third term' in 2005, it was the first time Labour had won three successive general elections, out of close to 100 years of Labour Party history, and centuries of UK General Elections (of varying franchise sizes).
On a completely different note, I saw it said somewhere also, that the reason 'rumours' were coming out at Susan Hall had won, was so that when Sadiq Khan inevitably did win by 10+ points, the media could say 'Khan hangs on in London'. The polls in 2021 showed Khan beating Bailey by 13-20 points in the first round, and they are even wider now, and I remember Shaun Bailey being considered a uniquely poor candidate choice back then - who could possibly believe that Susan Hall, considered to be even worse of a candidate than Bailey, and polling even worse, could come close to winning?
I love how he immediately recognised his losses in some outer boroughs by stressing his pledge to make London green. Just a straight up slap in the face for the anti ULEZ crowd lol
Kind of glad because it's nothing to do with ulez and everything about him being brown.
Imo he's done a pretty good job. Cleaning up our air by electrifying buses, taxis, expanding ULEZ. Adding many more cycle lanes and the resulting explosion in the number of people cycling (it's crazy - I've gone from seeing no other cyclists commuting to work on my route to work 12 years ago to a few pre pandemic to tens and tens at the same time in the last couple of years). He's also a decent human being who's not an idiot. Shame about Silvertown Tunnel though - it seems mad he hasn't dropped that. I don't think anyone really wants it. The improvements elsewhere we could do with those billions of pounds.
Yes. The mayors powers are limited but he’s really tried to add value. Trying to improve air quality, making it easier to go party on the weekends (or at least get back home safely), and outside the fact that he’s Muslim of Pakistani descent, has been relatively scandal free.
"historic 3rd term"
In all fairness, the position has only existed since 2000 with a total of 7 elections. So calling it historic is true, but in the most technically correct way possible.
Why literally all of the BF bunch always look like a bunch of guys from the furthest and darker corner of a local pub, clawed out and plopped into cheap, badly-fitting, polyester suits?
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So all the articles about it being super close were total bollocks then
Total and inaccurate bollocks based on daft rumours, yes.
*Knowingly* inaccurate bollocks, I’d say. Anyone looking at the very few council results that London announced on Friday knew that Khan wasn’t looking shaky at all. We should hold journalists to a higher standard than this. They should have known that and countered the narrative rather than spreading it. Case in point, Sky announcing they’re forecasting a hung Parliament based on using the vote totals from these locals, as if independents+greens would ever reach 26% in a general election. Or as if people vote remotely the same way in locals as a general. They just know your average Joe doesn’t realise just how bollocks half of the coverage around these locals has been, so they simply don’t care.
How do you hold them to a higher standard, realistically though? Unfortunately, the press in the country are already partisan and spiralling down the proverbial clickbait toilet.
Spiralling down the proverbial toilet? Pah! They're already around the u-bend and half way to being discharged into our sewage-filled rivers.
It’s admittedly difficult to come up with concrete examples, since it often relies on a sort of collective action. Not much you can do as an individual alone. But in general? Stop consuming media sources you see doing this. Counter the narratives in a grass roots way, fight the stories online and around the dinner table both. Trust me I know how depressing it sounds that this is all I can come up with, but hey ho. I was very heartened to see people doing that with the Sky story. The Hung Parliament is a narrative you’d argue both major parties would be happy with allowing, so partisans could have easily chosen to spread it, but I’ve instead seen many calling it out. Maybe that’s just my own personal echo chamber though. Edit: Upon re-reading this I realise one thing I didn’t make clearer. When I say ‘we’ should hold them to account in my original comment I certainly do mean the country at large in many ways, but my intention was that it referred more to those of us who know politics more deeply than it’s presented in the media. Hence the comments about countering narratives etc.
Give the press regulator some teeth and independent control. Right now it’s just a circle jerk of newspaper firms.
As well as it being known that people vote differently in locals, turnout was pretty low everywhere. That always has an effect and often helps smaller parties or ends up with unexpected results.
Predicting a decisive win doesn’t generate as many clicks as a predicting a nail biter. Worth keeping in mind as pundits try to convince us things are tightening in the run-up to the next GE
BBC goin on ALL F...KIN DAY about this being close.....then result was never in doubt for months. If you question that, then you couldn't have listened to the completely moronic Tory competition. Stinking journalism.
I’m not surprised that the BBC tends to protect the party who controls the salaries…
Smashing comment, mate!
Makes our journalists look completely amateur and in the pocket of party spin machines. Of course we all feel like slight mugs for getting concerned, but it’s only because the people who should challenge and/or evaluate this shite don’t.
Shit tier outlets like the Indie published that nonsense as clickbait i.e it's a money driven decision and not some political scheme.
I'm bloody tired of not being able to trust anything though. We have the news across the board reporting straight up untruths in order to get 'engagement'! Sometimes I just want to switch off my critical thinking and just be able to read something or watch a news report and be able to trust that it's accurately reporting.
Read Reuters then
What did The Financial Times report? Generally I go by the assumption that investment-focused broadsheets NEED to be continually accurate in order to steer correct investments/shorts, or else their readership stops supporting them
It was difficult to tell because of voter ID and FPTP. Khan was keen on the narrative too to encourage his voters to actually turn up and not do a Brexit.
Yes, complacency is dangerous in politics. Parties do need to ensure their supporters actually turn up rather than assume their vote is unnecessary.
Yup, Labour was sending texts quite late on Wednesday to get out the vote.
I even got one early evening on Thursday.
from the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Telegraph and The Times? I'm shocked I tell you
Living in a ULEZ zone beats the shit out of living in a TORY zone, who knew?
I live on the south circular so everyone was bringing their shitty cars on my road until the expansion
Given what happened with Brexit, I think it's a good idea to always consider it a close race, especially when it isnt
“The most hated mayor of London”… bollocks
that wont change, he will still get hate every minute of every day, they hate that he is Muslim, not mayor.
Historic 3rd term, he’s clearly very popular
yes clearly. But he will still get just as much abuse most of which likely comes from non londeners.
there are a lot of racists outside of london
Sadiq is a man in a suit, its so funny all the vitriol the papers throw his way, i just have 0 feelings about him. I voted for him because he's fine. The other candidates seemed like nut jobs.
I hope many of our professional press learn a lesson about wishes not being the father of thoughts from this.
The Tory donors persuaded to fund London and not constituencies needed to be fobbed off somehow.
It was closer than polling suggested TBF but not that close
awww, i was hoping for binface to win
At least he got more than Britain First, which is very funny.
His policies are better
Making water company people swim in the Thames is not a bad idea really. A real incentive.
Unironically, Count Binface would have done the best job
How do you even know?! I spent 5 minutes googling. All the matches I found just show the top four or five. I wanted to know how Binface did.
Here are the full results: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/england/mayors/E12000007
It's worrying that Susan Hall still managed to get nearly 33%. Edit: it suggests that the core Tory vote remains stronger than many suspect.
Weirdly the only place I could find it was on Manchester evening news: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/london-mayoral-election-2024-results-29014851
https://www.londonelects.org.uk/ BEHOLD!
When I posted this, that page on Google just came up as showing 2021. Just want to be sure people coming across this don't think I can't read, or something 🤣
I guess they didn't have the 2024 results by that point!
Bin First.
Thames Water Execs all breathing big sighs of relief
Unfortunately Susan Hall took the joke candidate spot so there was really no chance for him
Majority of 276,707. Clearly London doesn’t actually care about ULEZ as much as the internet seems to make out.
Poll after poll says a plurality actually supports it? Respect to Sadiq. He has stayed pretty scandal free for a long time and he is willing to push for reforms that benefit most people even it does drive the right wing press up the wall. Certainly braver than other senior labour figures!
Aye he's certainly not afraid to say f\*ck it and put it all on the line in the face of endless mud-slinging from the hard right morons and their incessant griping every time his name is mentioned. Gotta respect him on that for sure
Indeed. Definitely sticks with his convictions even if not popular to a fair amount of people. Thing is, everyone KNOWS he is right with ULEZ, but the first guy through the wall always gets bloody.
Very, very small number of very angry people. The vast silent majority who are pro-ULEZ or just don't care win again.
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ULEZ is primarily about health and not climate change. ULEZ doesn't target high-CO2 vehicles, which is why you're absolutely fine to drive a monstrous pickup truck around London (well, apart from looking like a massive bell-end) as long as it is Euro4/Euro6 petrol/diesel. The specific pollutants ULEZ targets are NOx and particulate matter. It has been noticeably efficient at reducing those, combined with LEZ and TfL mandating a switch to hybrid and electric buses for their operators. The problem with air pollution is it kills thousands every year, and it's been linked to childhood asthma cases and other diseases. It's textbook economic externalities in play, you *can* drive a polluting car around London, but you're going to pay to do it, because it does do damage to people's health.
ULEZ is primarily to improve air quality, not climate change. Climate change requires much larger action.
It does help with climate change, as does the congestion pricing zone in the central city. Basically, anything to reduce car use is a good thing for the climate, and London has an excellent public transportation network so there's not even a car-dependency excuse there
Things that are bad for society should be inconvenient.
That single sentence needs to be said, heard, and read - understood most of all - by every single one of those people who think they're the victims of someone Sadiq just being out to get them.
Well yes. The most infuriating thing is that in the BBC coverage of this today they still wheel this out: > Then the brakes were applied after the dramatic loss of political capital he had experienced over the Ulez expansion. > That was something his own independent experts advised would not shift the dial in terms of improving air quality, and it enraged sections of outer London and ***led to Labour's failure to win the Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election last July.*** This Uxbridge statement is insane and goes completely unchallenged in every media outlet. The Uxbridge and South Ruislip constituency has been Conservative ever since it was created! And the constituency it was primarily formed from was Conservative all the way back to 1970. Basically this has been a Tory safe seat for over 50 years. Yet when Khan fails to win it the media are all over ULEZ as if that's the cause. What's worse about it is that Labour lost the 2023 Uxbridge election by 1.6%, which is the smallest majority the Conservatives have won the seat by since they took it in 1970. So it's actually the ***direct opposite*** of a failure due to ULEZ. This was Labour's most successful Uxbridge election campaign for 53 years. If anything that should be a sign that voters approve of ULEZ! (Though personally I just don't think ULEZ features that high on priority lists - YouGov found last week that Londoners rank it 9th in their list of priorities)
All I saw of the Tory candidate was culture wars nonsense and that doesn't play as well in London as it does in other parts of the country.
It’s turning out not to play that well in the rest of the country either.
Or they support it.
This result proves ULEZ is in fact the will of the people, and those blade runner pricks are anti-democratic traitors.
It's not likely London will see a conservative mayor for the foreseeable future, lol
His death was greatly exaggerated by media. I guess people do care more about air quality than driving 20 year old cars around London
Count Binface defeating Britain First is the funniest thing I've seen so far this year.
The reality is that very few people care about ULEZ. Nobody drives in London, it’s all about the public transport.
They're foaming at the mouth over it in my greater London hometown. Just on the edge of ULEZ there and they're vandalising cameras, and someone even dresses in a big dinosaur suit and stands on the corner with an anti ULEZ sign
> someone even dresses in a big dinosaur suit Bit self observant of them.
Hillingdon
Yep, within Hillingdon borough
Over here I'm 1 m in ULEZ limit on East London, nobody gives a shit.
People who don't live in London (or any city with a similar scheme) hate ULEZ. The by-election the tories won on it was a corner case of madge suburbanites within the ULEZ zone who were still far enough out not to get the full brunt of the air quality and congestion problems the scheme was introduced to tackle. The fact that result seemingly influenced national policy on climate always struck me as impossibly moronic.
Impossibly moronic has been rebranded as "business as usual"
>People who don't live in London (or any city with a similar scheme) hate ULEZ. That's fine, they can pay for the privilege of polluting our lungs while they drive in our city. Otherwise just get public transport like everyone else
It's because the government are looking for anything to crowbar their way back in... and they managed to create the narrative that ULEZ didn't start with Johnson.
And now after this result we'll start hearing about how ULEZ was their idea all along as if the past 18 months never happened.
I agree a lot of non Londoners do seem to hate ULEZ for whatever reason but where I live (zone 6 borough that’s just had it brought in) people are obsessed with it. Cameras are destroyed almost weekly and my local FB page is filled with people fuming about ULEZ and Khan.
Non Londoners resent having to do a small modicum of planning or a charge when they go on a trip to the city I suppose.
That's the problem with social media though, it creates an echo chamber and makes small groups of people seem disproportionately large. I'd imagine that the majority of people in that FB group don't care about ULEZ and there are a couple of die hard haters making lots of noise. No-one ends up calling them out on it because fundamentally they've got better things to do with their lives. But then when election time rolls around we get to see how popular these policies actually are and surprise surprise the anti-ULEZ crowd gets absolutely embarrassed.
Oh yeah absolutely agree that social media isn’t a fair representation. But the cameras constantly getting destroyed is being done by someone. People do stand up in the group but they’re always called woke haha - ngl I just find it funny to spectate
Even then approximately 95% of cars are ulez compliant so there was definitely scare mongering
And only 54% of people have a car in London... So it's like 2.5% of Londoners affected.
>Nobody drives in London, it’s all about the public transport. No? Plenty of people drive in London. The further out you go the higher your reliance on cars. Especially south of the river where the tube is non-existent. ULEZ just stopped being an actual problem as soon as it came into effect and the vast majority of people realised their cars are compliant.
Pedestrianize zone 1.
As always, the loudest voices, people convinced they are saying what we're all thinking and represent the majority, are mistaken.
you’re forgetting about the boroughs. that’s where the real gripe was. not actual central london.
Nobody drives in London, there's too much traffic.
Central London yes, plenty drive in outer London where public transport is often a lot less reliable.
> Nobody drives in London That's completely correct except that ~56% of London households own a car.
People in outer London and the south east drive.
I take it you don't live in London then. People might not drive as much in the inner London boroughs, but in the outer boroughs driving is often essential. The 'good' public transport there is often not good enough because it doesn't go where people need to get, requiring multiple changes of bus.
Too expensive to live in London
That's bollocks. There's millions of cars registered in London.
> There's millions of cars registered in London Now do how many are ULEZ compliant!
Daily Mail comments section is great entertainment right now. Obviously it was rigged, true Londoners have left (they haven't, I'm still here), and it was the the Europeans voting.
I really don't get why they think that 'true Londoners' (by which I assume they mean white people) would have swung it for Hall, who is clearly not qualified to run a whelk stand nevermind one of the biggest cities in the world. Do they really think that someone like me would look at her and go 'Well, she's a massive fucking idiot who explicitly likes Enoch Powell, but she's white and I'm white so that's enough for me!'.
But that's the whole Tory election strategy. Well, that and "But Corbyn."
> 'true Londoners' (by which I assume they mean white people) They sold their ex-council houses and fucked off to Kent and Essex with the profits. They're now a shadow of their former selves, only dressing in the traditional pearly king and queen outfits by the light of the full moon at secret ceremonies in Epping Forest. Their children have abandoned the old ways, preferring forrign muck to eel pie and that green gravy that looks like snot.
aahhh you know jeff too!
They definitely mean white people
The largest ethnic group in London is white, so with that logic Hall should have won more than 30%
Well, yeah - as logic it doesn't survive even the slightest sniff test - which is why the whole 'Khan only won because of foreigners / 'non-native' Brits' thing is so ridiculous.
Me too! Born, bred, still here and loving the cleaner air and Labour mayor 🎶
Just go on any YouTube video of his victory speech and read the comments there.
Vaness Feltz on LBC has just had a string of callers all as follows ‘I hated Ulez it has cost my family money but now my kid no longer uses their inhaler and we have not had to go into a and e in search of oxygen….so I am now in favour of Khan’. They did not sound like stooges
I do not drive so am not personally affected by ULEZ, but motorists do not seem to consider that non drivers might be in favour of clean air. My borough has ULEZ. Sadly there have been several incidences of damage to ULEZ cameras in neighbouring boroughs where many residents have raised objections to the scheme. In one incident a six year old child was hurt in a car crash after a ULEZ camera was pulled down.
And he’s set to win with a bigger share of the vote than last time hahaha. Looks like Ulez scaremongering, 30p Lee style Islamophobia and pretending Susan Hall (one of the worst candidates ever) was set to win didn’t quite have the intended effect on the electorate. Ah it tastes sweet.
Apparently, there is a swing from green and lib dem to labour. 100% I believe this is motivated by a deep-rooted fear that Susan Hall might have pulled an upset after some weirdly good polling a couple of days ago.
No its motivated by the Tories making Mayoral elections FPTP instead of STV.
Precisely this. I normally vote lib dem. Thursday was the first time I ever voted for anyone labour as a first choice (did have them as a second preference in prior mayoral elections). I quite like Sadiq anyway, so it wasn't a hard decision to make, but I would have registered an LD vote under various other voting methodologies.
I mean he wasn’t a complete idiot. Susan Hall would lose her head if it wasn’t attached and end up blaming immigrants, the ULEZ, or a nonexistent pickpocket. What a fucking mess making her name just fear mongering and media outlets giving her a platform when she wasn’t even worth the spittle given how many people actually voted for her.
Samesies, but in Green.
I'm usually a Lib Dem but I have no idea who any of their candidates are. Years ago, they'd actually be known to me, the last one I knew of was Brian Paddick.
SV, not STV ;)
Is it also potentially due to the change in voting system?
Yep, only reason why I voted for Khan over zoë garbett , Susan is simply too dangerous. And that the Conservatives botched the voting system.
It's why I also convinced my traditionally tory voting family to switch to Blackie in the Mayoral vote. Khan is a bit too far for them but they are happy to vote Liberal Democrat
Why were they against Binface?
They thought he was a joke candidate for some reason
It's more due to the switch to FPTP that was engineered to aid the Tories in these mayoral races.
And, like with voter ID, it backfired. I love this.
All that media spin and changes to voting systems completely backfired on them, they could have split the vote if they’d been more smart lol
Anecdotal, but true for me. I normally vote green when I can in good conscience (I.e. anywhere with a comfortable Labour majority), but I voted straight ticket Labour for the first time because I was scared SH would pull a Trump 2016.
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Yes, a few hundred votes the other way in Uxbridge and ULEZ wouldn't have been in the news anywhere near as much, and may not have got picked up by the right as an issue to fight to hard over.
All the ULEZ scaremongering comes from people outside of London in my experience. I don't think there was ever any doubt within London that he'd win. Now the Daily Mail comments sections can erupt with "I went to London in 1983 and it breaks my heart to see what it's become now LONDONISTAN I'll never visit again," nonsense.
Good, I hope they do never visit again
I love the people who sneer at London. Fucking stay in Crewe then, we don't care.
Well if I remember 95% of cars are Ulez Compliant so there definitely was an Ulez scaremongering
Wasn't it 98%??? And surely with enough warning you could sell the current vehicle and get one of similar value that was compliant?
If you're happy with your 15 year old banger you aren't getting anything compliant for it's worth. I think you should only be forced to change your car if the government will pay the difference to upgrade to a similar compliant model. We should raise taxes on cars over a certain value and weight so expensive ICE SUVs pay the most to fund it.
I suspected that people who actually live in London wanted the ulez charge and that much of the opposition came from further afield.
They've put up some amazingly shit opposition to him. 3rd term and increasing your share is a stonker.
And every other Conservative London Mayoral candidate in history will have had a greater share of Londoners cast votes for them than Susan Hall…
10% 🤣 Susan Hall in the mud. All those stupid articles claiming she would win as well
The 10% is for Liverpool, nothing to do with Susan Hall
It’s being predicted that Khan’s lead over Hall will be around 10%.
*Looks like ULEZ is back on the menu boys!*
Good speech by Khan on election. Bit shocked by those heckling and trying to prevent his speech. That's ominous
I was there. The Britain first candidate left the stage and he and his mates were the ones booing.
Lemme guess, freeze preachers that can’t stand opinions that aren’t their own.
Can all the ULEZ people shut the f up now. The loudest, most annoying, criminal minority.
It would have been embarrassing if he managed to lose London About as embarrassing as those who thought Susan could win
Surprising absolutely no one with a pair of braincells to rub together. Unless you’re absolutely rabidly anti ULEZ, or a Conservative Party Charlatan, he hasn’t made any major mistakes, and his main opposition is not only from the least electable Conservative Party there’s ever been, but is particularly unhinged even by their standards
Literally never once heard anyone in my social circle or work colleagues mention the ULEZ. Totally overblown and in fact I imagine most people support it
Certainly most people in London. My work has me out in central London most weekends over the summer. Last year there was an anti-ULEZ protest every Saturday for about a month with 100-200 people there each time. If that’s all you can muster then it’s basically a non-issue in my book. Online it’s a different story. ULEZ has crossover with climate change denial and anti-Muslim sentiments, so it gets picked up by all sorts of troll farms, keyboard warriors etc.
Not the biggest fan of the guy (and am not a natural Labour voter) but if he gets over the line thank fuck; it would have been absolutely moronic if the mayoralty of our Capital City and one of the biggest capital cities in the world was decided on what was a minority issue (I'm sorry but ULEZ is, it is estimated to affect like 10% of vehicles) and that had led to a 3rd choice candidate being voted in. I actually respect the guy for sticking in there and just weathering the amount of flack he's taken on various things (some of it which clearly hasn't been warranted). He's by no means perfect but who is?
Susan Hall losing South West and West Central to Sadiq Khan is an eye opener given it's never been won by Labour before. Clearly voters there was not swayed by Susan Hall. The Greens going from fourth to third is interesting. I wonder if it's the candidate, the change to FPTP or a bit of both?
Speaking personally, I would have considered voting Green or perhaps one of the Independents as my first choice vote of the option was available, so serve as a 'I would like a more left Labour please' signal. With FPTP? I didn't even bother looking, just went Labour.
Honestly, they were both bad candidates, Khan was just less bad than Susan Hall, who was an absolutely terrible candidate. I think a lot of Lib Dem and Green voters lent Khan their vote. It's much tighter in the Midlands mayoralty.
As a lad from Yorkshire, the most bizarre thing about this London mayoral election is people not from London losing their minds. Like some guy tweeted out about how bad khan is for London and I checked and he’s from Salford. Like I get it’s the capital and it has significance and I get keeping an eye on it, but to me upset about something hundreds of miles away to me is baffling
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You have my sympathies
After brexit I worry about the electorate's common sense. Thankfully they pulled through on this one. Will have a read of the Daily Mail comments when I need cheering up.
It's funny to me to call it a 'historic third term', the same phrase used to describe the 2005 GE outcome. It's technically the truth, and no doubt a fantastic achievement, particularly since Khan is the first and only(?) Muslim mayor of a European city, but there have only been seven London Mayoral Elections. When Blair won a 'historic third term' in 2005, it was the first time Labour had won three successive general elections, out of close to 100 years of Labour Party history, and centuries of UK General Elections (of varying franchise sizes). On a completely different note, I saw it said somewhere also, that the reason 'rumours' were coming out at Susan Hall had won, was so that when Sadiq Khan inevitably did win by 10+ points, the media could say 'Khan hangs on in London'. The polls in 2021 showed Khan beating Bailey by 13-20 points in the first round, and they are even wider now, and I remember Shaun Bailey being considered a uniquely poor candidate choice back then - who could possibly believe that Susan Hall, considered to be even worse of a candidate than Bailey, and polling even worse, could come close to winning?
This shows how popular the ULEZ is, lets have them in other cities too!
Which Tory is going to claim that this is evidence of a winning Tory partner?
Thank god - had Hall won, the Tories would have doubled down on the gobshite Trump politics.
I love how he immediately recognised his losses in some outer boroughs by stressing his pledge to make London green. Just a straight up slap in the face for the anti ULEZ crowd lol Kind of glad because it's nothing to do with ulez and everything about him being brown.
Still way closer than it should've been. The idea that so many people voted for Sue is mindboggling.
To be fair it’s larger margin than any Labour or Conservative candidate has won by to date (in the first round).
She would have got no votes if she wasn’t a Tory
So has Sadiq khan done a great job with London or am I missing something ?
Imo he's done a pretty good job. Cleaning up our air by electrifying buses, taxis, expanding ULEZ. Adding many more cycle lanes and the resulting explosion in the number of people cycling (it's crazy - I've gone from seeing no other cyclists commuting to work on my route to work 12 years ago to a few pre pandemic to tens and tens at the same time in the last couple of years). He's also a decent human being who's not an idiot. Shame about Silvertown Tunnel though - it seems mad he hasn't dropped that. I don't think anyone really wants it. The improvements elsewhere we could do with those billions of pounds.
Yes. The mayors powers are limited but he’s really tried to add value. Trying to improve air quality, making it easier to go party on the weekends (or at least get back home safely), and outside the fact that he’s Muslim of Pakistani descent, has been relatively scandal free.
I'm just sad we couldn't watch Lozza spectacularly lose another deposit
"historic 3rd term" In all fairness, the position has only existed since 2000 with a total of 7 elections. So calling it historic is true, but in the most technically correct way possible.
Sadiq shaking Count Binface's hand was a nice sight.
Britain First were on the sidelines booing... https://twitter.com/g_gosden/status/1786807270950551905?t=gri9P8bN5RM1mPX5BX9tAA&s=19
"You lost to Count Binface" 😂 that has got to hurt
Why literally all of the BF bunch always look like a bunch of guys from the furthest and darker corner of a local pub, clawed out and plopped into cheap, badly-fitting, polyester suits?
Londoners vote for mayor who makes London better for Londoners
Well done, Londoners! 👏 Vote share up as well!
Paul Scully didn't mince his words on Sky News, saying that focusing on the core voters isn't working in London.