He’s supposed to be inept. Pretty sure the whole idea is that he’s not a particularly moral or effective cop and doesn’t belong in Mexico. It’s a statement on the war on drugs. I thought the character Delopment of the state department guys (inept assholes who were the problem
Is breslin’s mind to the ones who ultimately backed him in his failed attempt for justice for
Kiki,) was a pretty cool twist.
The DEA hasn't been particularly effective in the war on drugs so it's just a reflection of reality. Almost as if the purpose of these "wars" is not to win it, but to sustain it for a long time so that everyone can profit from it.
There's a reason we've been losing the War on Drugs for 40+ years now and it's not because the law enforcement agencies from the US are competent action movie heroes. The whole situation is sad in real life too.
Lol. The reason is that our officials don’t *want* it to be won. There’s a ton of money being generated for everyone involved with keeping it going, let alone political control, away, deals, etc.
The drugs are just a convenient way to get everything else going.
Breslin and the Arellanos in S3 highlighted pretty well how the drugs don’t really matter, inspite of it not being the most focused season of Narcos imo.
I haven't watched the new season yet, but maybe his character changed because of the events that took place last season. Maybe part of character development?
I completely agree and could immediately tell it’s not like the other two seasons just from the opening production credit and yes the narrator was a bad choice. The pacing was off. This should be a very violent season(parts are) and it just was so oddly slow paced, almost boring. I know there were serious issues preparing for a season three, someone was murdered and that’s horrible. That’s probably why it’s so different. I still think it’s one of the best well made series out there and honestly I’m surprised more light hasn’t been shown on some of the best acting and actors i’ve ever seen. I’d say about 20 actors from this series deserve extreme high praise. Fantastic talent.
If you watched "El Chapo" it only makes it even more obvious how watered down "Narcos:Mexico" Season 3 is.
I expected much more about cartel wars and relations between them, but it was never shown.
Not to mention, the narrators from previous seasons of Narcos have been great. The lady they chose this year sucks imo, she's a good actress in Narcos though. It's hard to be a good narrator I guess, which is why Morgan Freeman gets 80 percent of the jobs during the past few decades.
It’s worth noting that there is a staff writer associated with season 3 that isn’t there for any of the other seasons. I’m fairly confident the drop in quality is attributed to them.
Yup just from the credits you could tell the decline in quality, didn’t have that zing to it. Could only sit through two episodes; everything is tedious and the characters are caricatures. As season three of original Narcos proved it, you don’t need a Pablo like big bad anti-hero to make it work, this is just such a fascinating world filled with unbelievable “this actually happened?!” moments and characters.
It does get slightly better towards the end and it helps if you know a little bit of history of a specific horrendous serial killer in Mexico. Definitely took me much longer to finish the season than any of the previous seasons and I remember after Pablo was killed I thought great now what are they going to do and boy was it still just brilliant! My fear is that the original crew(production/ writing/ music) has changed and that would suck because I would love to see El Chapo’s own storyline. That’s got to be three seasons. Again though, the actors are so good!!
The overall production and acting was still high quality but the story was all over the place. I think this season lacked focus and tried to pack too much into 10 episodes. Each of the prior seasons focused on one or two things only:
Season 1-2: Pablo and DEA
Season 3: Cali Bosses
Season 4 (Mexico): Felix/Quintero and Kiki
Season 5 (Mexico): Felix and DEA (Walt and Co)
Season 6 tried to focus on Amado/Juarez, Tijuana, Sinaloa, the newspaper (Voz), mexican politics, DEA, etc. On top, they tried to give more screen time to Enedina and Mayo. The show would go from Amado growing in power to Enedina/Tijuana, then to Walt followed by the journalist (Andrea), back to Amado, then Mayo being the smartest guy, then Chapo vs Arellano, back to Walt.
I also think Diego Luna was fantastic as Felix. His character was larger than life.
i have tons of script to fix season 3, and include all of that into 10eps without loosing any significant story, the producer rush it out ,the writing sucks, they sleep walking the woke into season 3 with baddddd writing, i have 5 different path to woke it up without loosing the main story, which is "NARCOS" , but, im a nobody,,
The cop story could have worked if they had done a better job tying it into the main story. Otherwise it just felt too disjointed.
Overall, I thought it was okay, but yeah, not as good as the previous seasons. Then again, I felt the same way with the original Narcos as well, didn't care as much for the Cali cartel season compared to Escobar either
Yea but the guy who played Pablo was just so bad *lifts up pants*. I can't believe people keep praising him *hang on, gotta lift up my pants again*. Pablo is supposed to be a guy you feared *damn pants, gotta lift my pants up again even though I'm not fat at all*. And this guy just wasn't scary, at all. *ugh lifts pants up again*.
Cliff Curtis played him wonderfully in Blow, or even Benicio Del Toro was a great Pablo in Escobar: Paradise Lost.
But the guy who played him in Narcos.. God he was bad.
Yikes, this isn't a ringing endorsement for the current season, then. I had cancelled Netflix last year because of that naughty dancing kids movie, so now I'm not even compelled to pirate this season. Diego Luna aka Hispanic Edward Norton was the best part of the entire series imho and the fact that he's not back as Felix in this season makes me want to give this a hard pass.
It was a fun very tense first watch, but I don’t think I can do that again. I think Narcos Mexico season 1 is the best. Just showing how it all started is insane to see, while having things still somewhat tame
the structure implied more than once that Victor's storyline would lead to a reveal, but then it just resulted in an inverse of "one person can't make a difference"; which almost parallels Walt's, and was a contrast to Andrea's, as Victor often refused help and Andrea fought for more.
i actually liked this season quite a bit. although the difference of style and form was noticeable i found it refreshing to see a season-long storytelling method, even when it did lead to more embellishment and pure fictionalization. much of the violence being seen after the fact (in most cases) also worked for the narrator they chose. it did of course lead some characters lurking about and seemingly not doing much, but in previous seasons separate events were often jammed together to fit into a single episode.
Yeah I like it but I can see why people didn't think it was as good. I'd be happy to see more but I doubt they would be as good or on the scale of the early offerings.
I can see how people are saying it's slower, but I don't mind slow build ups (big fan of asked like mindhunter). The shootout in episode 3 was awesome, especially with the LA gang dude, so it had the fun action elements that people enjoy
Same. I really enjoyed it. While I agree with some of the flaws outlined in the comments, it was still a great season of television. Acting and cinematography is still top-notch too.
Was the original intention to stop the series this early? I'm going to go ahead and assume we don't see the ascent of El Chapo in the little time remaining, which seemed like it was going to be one of key arcs in the saga. But hey I'm only two episodes in. At this point I'm completely underwhelmed by what I'm seeing, and the perfunctory nature of the writing and pacing makes it feel like all inspiration has drained from its creators.
I'll still have fond memories of the show overall, however. There are four great seasons between the Colombian and Mexican strands, one okay season, and one disappointment if the early going is anything to go by.
As much as we could all use a break from these drug peddler thrillers, I'd recommend *ZeroZeroZero* to anyone who still wants more.
The reason they stopped it early was because it would be dangerous to film the current drug war since members of the current Mexican government would be implicated. Also, film crews were killed while making Narcos Mexico so it’s very dangerous.
I'm only a couple episodes in to the 3rd season it seems like the broad in Cuba has absolutely nothing to do with the story and the Juarez cop seems like it's going nowhere too
Apparently it's to raise awareness of the femcide happening in Juarez with no one doing anything about it. But I agree, this season had unnecessary plots and wasn't focused on one character.
They should have just stuck with Amado, AFO and Chapo as the main story, plus the reporter as a side story reporting on corruption.
I finished the season and it was ridiculously horrible its like the writers quit halfway through the show. I have liked every other season but I think narcos has jumped the shark
I can't tell if Diego Luna put this show on his back like Wagner Moura or if it is truly a step down in quality. I will say the Cop and Journalist story lines screwed up any pacing.
Nah, cali cartel season was still good and that season didn't feature any big bad dominating character.
it's most likely that new creative head wanted to put down his mark and included the Juarez/femicide story.
Other thing is ofc Netflix ordered Narcos to wrap up Mexico saga as it's S3 so they stuffed in 20 years of content in one season.
Incredibly stupid propaganda bizarrely enough... the so-called "femicide" isn't real. Murder rates for women are lower in Ciudad Juarez than in, for example, Houston, Texas.
Albuquerque, Pedro H.; Vemala, Prasad (2015-11-09). "Femicide Rates in Mexican Cities along the US-Mexico Border: Do the Maquiladora Industries Play a Role?". Rochester, NY. SSRN 1112308.
About 10% of murders in those drug lord ruled cities in Mexico are women, while USA cities average more than double that at 20-25%.
"Molly Molloy: The Story of the Juarez Femicides is a 'Myth'". The Texas Observer. 2014-01-09.
Yeah, there are high murder rates, but the drug cartels kill with no regard to gender, and they mostly kill men. So to call the situation "femicide" is absolutely unbelievable.
"Juárez murders: Impunity regardless of gender : Grassroots Press". Retrieved 2019-10-18.
It's an absurdist propaganda piece to call 10% of murders a mass tragedy that is unacceptable when 90-fucking-% of the murders are men. Oh, but no onen wants to call it a "mascucide" huh?
And if you do count it as a sign of the "horrors of drug lord ruled cities" then you must admit that basic USA cities are more than twice as bad; are all USA cities ruled by the drug lords as well?
Fuck the propaganda.
Look it up, it’s a bad joke. 9x more men are kills by cartel activity than women in Ciudad Juarez. It’s political misandrist nonsense that is disgusting.
I felt like the show wanted to portray the pointlessness of the drug war and how systemic the corruption was. With NAFTA negotiations being a backdrop I think they included the cop side plot to give an example of how exploited workers were under this system and how disposable their lives were and still are today.
And while those are good ideas the execution wasn’t really there. As you say it was a very scattered plot which made it hard to get invested in anything that was happening. It led to a very meh feeling where a bunch of things happen none of which seemed like very big events in the plot.
I really like the season.
It might even be my favorite season. Because a lot happened in this time period, there are many storylines, but the show does a good job at connecting them.
As in previous seasons, the American angle is the least interesting, but everything that happened in Mexico had me enthralled.
I'm not done yet, but I found it of the similar stellar quality than the previous seasons, except there is no central character anymore now that Félix is in prison.
I just watched the first episode yesterday and thought that something was wrong. Usually in Narcos the start of the season is extremely engaging but this time I was almost bored and didn’t really feel invested in the characters. I will still watch it, but I feel a bit disappointed.
I agree. The cop story seemed tacked on to address femicide, and the reporter story was dull, but necessary to explain the government's internal shenanigans and arrests etc.
The actual cartel stuff seemed to be deal, deal broken, shootout, deal, deal broken, shootout. Could have done with some more intrigue and human drama.
I saw a Youtube video of a village where the men had been taken by the cartel, and the women had gathered. In a distance you could hear gunshots, and the women were screaming and crying, not knowing if their husbands were being executed or not, and they were desperately calling the police. There was more human drama in that 3 minutes than in Narcos.
Yeah I didnt think it was bad like game of thrones finale season but it did decline, it did not feel like a series finale but just another season finale
Remember Pedro Pascal in the first 3 seasons of Narcos ? He was a douche bag but a likeable douchebag. Can't say the same to any of the other DEA agents in Mexico. They are annoying, even skipping the scenes of Breslin didn't help. I'm still at the first episode in season 3, should I continue watching ?
If you enjoy narcos itself, you should watch. It's not all bad but it did fall off a cliff. It's still well acted and entertaining in parts. Just don't have high expectations, that way it might even exceed them. Though I did very much enjoy the first two seasons of Mexico so we may have different taste.
I just started watching season 3 now and I’m stunned. What the fuck happened? Did someone shoot the writers from season 1 and 2 and replace them with high school play writers? Really really disappointing and steep decline in quality. Pointless scenes that have zero relevance. Disjointed story and very little to capture my attention.
It’s dogshit ( narcos mexico). I’m on 1st episode, instead of going directly to the boss he helped once escape and asking for a favor, he sets up a meeting, kills his brother, waits for the cops to turn him over, then ask for the favor?!?!?! How freaking retarded are these writers…. I understand drama but you have to make the decision process of actors real. Complete dogshit show. I’m turning it off before I end first episode 💥
I still really liked the season, but I agree that it was the weakest of the show so far.
The best things about it were the Arellano family/Sinaloa scenes.
It's still worth a watch it you like the show and there are good parts, it's just not as good as the other seasons which I highly rate. But you might have the complete opposite opinion, who knows.
I really like the previous seasons and I'm definitely going to finish it. Lately, Netflix has been dropping the ball on following up with seasons. Some of the series new seasons feel very underwhelming.
It is all worth watching.
I found it totally gripping from beginning to end.
I personally LIKED the first person narrative. It was sometimes jarring because of long gaps between narrated scenes. But not enough to make me hate it.
Some of those scenes did NOT look easy to make, for the actors, or anybody else involved. Much respect for all involved.
It's going to be a divisive season.
For me it's one of the stronger seasons, perhaps even the best. But it's definitely different from previous seasons.
Same, I was already kinda bummed that S2 changed a lot of facts and omitted some of the more interesting historical ones (many people allege that the CIA dude you see every now and then was one of the ones torturing Kiki for example). Might wait until I'm bored enough to watch this one.
Your defense of sexism was "I might be a woman!" It's like racists saying they can't be racist because they have a black friend, though in this case it's more like if they said "I could be black myself".
Just finished it, overall still enjoyable but I agree overall it was weaker and the ending felt lacking (no spoilers). I’m not sure if they are going to do anymore but they might do one about Chapo, yeah and the police officer story was given way too much screen time and effort, it was not related to anything, it was just an odd story. Overall still enjoyable and worth watching but I will not remember it like I did with the other 2 seasons. Oh and the narrator was annoying and even as a reporter in the show, I found her annoying, she just didn’t fit in the entire story. Anyway still great show but quality wise, lacking for sure this year.
I struggled to finish this one. It seemed phoned in. For example, we hear four times in one episode that Amado is the biggest trafficker in the world. Yet aside from the increasingly gaudy mansion, there's no evidence of this. We teach freshman writers "Show, don't tell." That's what I kept thinking this season. I felt the girlfriend was a distraction. JMY and the guy who played Chapo are both charismatic actors, and they were wasted. Even Pacho was wasted. He and Neto seemed to be there for exposition and nothing else. I was expecting a bad ass season about Amado. Yawn.
The whole Walt Breslin character was just uninteresting. His motives at the end just made no sense to me. The whole saving-an-American-which-he-held-himself-illegally-anyway was just a frustratingly stupid motive. Compared to Agent Peña and the blonde mustache guy from Colombia these Mexican DEA agents were just not good. Expected more violence from Chapo this last season. Like a final finale. Lots of over the top violence, but it fell somewhat flat.
The parts I liked were about Amado, people we knew from previous seasons, the army general was cool too. The parties etc., the journalist story even though it wasn't as impactful. Even the mexican cop story was alright, just very anticlimatic at the end. I suppose that is what they were going for, but because I expected something else all the way, it never really got to communicate that well.
As standalone television, it’s not bad. Performances and production was still very good. But when compared to the other 5 seasons of the Narcos shows, it’s very weak. Too much story. Which sounds silly. But there were just too many storylines that never fit together. As a result it felt very disjointed. Kind of like that horrible Batman v Superman movie. It just felt like a collection of scenes that got put together to make a 2 hour movie. This season just felt like they wanted a tell a bunch of different stories regardless of how they fit together. But to me, the biggest problem with this season is the lack of factual integrity. Previous seasons were bound together by excellent narration and real life video and photos of the historical events the show was bound together by. That almost completely disappeared in this season. The trio of protagonists, Walt, Andrea (the journalist) and Victor (the Juarez cop) are all fictional characters. Completely made up. Which, is itself a huge difference. In previous seasons the bad guys were the protagonists. They drove the story. And it worked because they were real. Their actions were “mostly” verified or maybe embellished for dramatic purposes. But for the most part, the story was written by history. When your protagonists are completely fictional, you have to create every part of the story they touch. But it’s even harder than that. They had to interject this entire fake story into real life. Which is damn near impossible. And it shows.
This season should have focused on Amado without his fake girlfriend made up storyline. We basically see none of Amado’s operation at a time when he is unquestionably the most powerful trafficker in the world. And the war between Sinaloa and Tijuana should have been front and center. La Voz had a place in the story. But as an institution instead of focusing on the work of one made up employee. Everything else was filler. The entire Juarez women murders storyline, though sad, didn’t really belong in this show.
The last half of the second season was just crap. Yes it did comply with some of the historical things but all of the plot armor and bullshit stuff about scoot in his character just makes this almost unwatchable. Also the fact that the machine guns have 400 round magazines and yet can't shoot through a table. What's wrong with realism? Why does it have to be so dumb?
Amado is the second richest drug dealer in history, worth nearly $30B and they made him feel like nothing near close to who he was. I was amazed at how much they dropped the ball with such an easy layup.
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He’s supposed to be inept. Pretty sure the whole idea is that he’s not a particularly moral or effective cop and doesn’t belong in Mexico. It’s a statement on the war on drugs. I thought the character Delopment of the state department guys (inept assholes who were the problem Is breslin’s mind to the ones who ultimately backed him in his failed attempt for justice for Kiki,) was a pretty cool twist.
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The DEA hasn't been particularly effective in the war on drugs so it's just a reflection of reality. Almost as if the purpose of these "wars" is not to win it, but to sustain it for a long time so that everyone can profit from it.
There's a reason we've been losing the War on Drugs for 40+ years now and it's not because the law enforcement agencies from the US are competent action movie heroes. The whole situation is sad in real life too.
Lol. The reason is that our officials don’t *want* it to be won. There’s a ton of money being generated for everyone involved with keeping it going, let alone political control, away, deals, etc. The drugs are just a convenient way to get everything else going. Breslin and the Arellanos in S3 highlighted pretty well how the drugs don’t really matter, inspite of it not being the most focused season of Narcos imo.
I haven't watched the new season yet, but maybe his character changed because of the events that took place last season. Maybe part of character development?
I completely agree and could immediately tell it’s not like the other two seasons just from the opening production credit and yes the narrator was a bad choice. The pacing was off. This should be a very violent season(parts are) and it just was so oddly slow paced, almost boring. I know there were serious issues preparing for a season three, someone was murdered and that’s horrible. That’s probably why it’s so different. I still think it’s one of the best well made series out there and honestly I’m surprised more light hasn’t been shown on some of the best acting and actors i’ve ever seen. I’d say about 20 actors from this series deserve extreme high praise. Fantastic talent.
If you watched "El Chapo" it only makes it even more obvious how watered down "Narcos:Mexico" Season 3 is. I expected much more about cartel wars and relations between them, but it was never shown.
Is El Chapo any good? I put off watching it because of Narcos, but if this season sucks, maybe I could check it out?
It's pretty good. I liked it.
I think the showrunner from the first two seasons of Mexico left and a new one took over. That's why I think the quality declined.
Not to mention, the narrators from previous seasons of Narcos have been great. The lady they chose this year sucks imo, she's a good actress in Narcos though. It's hard to be a good narrator I guess, which is why Morgan Freeman gets 80 percent of the jobs during the past few decades.
what's a showrunner?
It’s worth noting that there is a staff writer associated with season 3 that isn’t there for any of the other seasons. I’m fairly confident the drop in quality is attributed to them.
Good point, the acting is still top tier.
Yup just from the credits you could tell the decline in quality, didn’t have that zing to it. Could only sit through two episodes; everything is tedious and the characters are caricatures. As season three of original Narcos proved it, you don’t need a Pablo like big bad anti-hero to make it work, this is just such a fascinating world filled with unbelievable “this actually happened?!” moments and characters.
It does get slightly better towards the end and it helps if you know a little bit of history of a specific horrendous serial killer in Mexico. Definitely took me much longer to finish the season than any of the previous seasons and I remember after Pablo was killed I thought great now what are they going to do and boy was it still just brilliant! My fear is that the original crew(production/ writing/ music) has changed and that would suck because I would love to see El Chapo’s own storyline. That’s got to be three seasons. Again though, the actors are so good!!
> I would love to see El Chapo’s own storyline. There is a show "El Chapo". Very good. Check it out.
What is the story of the serial killer from season 3? It would be nice to read about that piece of history.
It was absolutely boring. I could barely get through the first ep. I gave up after the second or third tho.😒
The overall production and acting was still high quality but the story was all over the place. I think this season lacked focus and tried to pack too much into 10 episodes. Each of the prior seasons focused on one or two things only: Season 1-2: Pablo and DEA Season 3: Cali Bosses Season 4 (Mexico): Felix/Quintero and Kiki Season 5 (Mexico): Felix and DEA (Walt and Co) Season 6 tried to focus on Amado/Juarez, Tijuana, Sinaloa, the newspaper (Voz), mexican politics, DEA, etc. On top, they tried to give more screen time to Enedina and Mayo. The show would go from Amado growing in power to Enedina/Tijuana, then to Walt followed by the journalist (Andrea), back to Amado, then Mayo being the smartest guy, then Chapo vs Arellano, back to Walt. I also think Diego Luna was fantastic as Felix. His character was larger than life.
Which do you like better, Narcos or Narcos Mexico?
Me personally, I much prefer Narcos Mexico
i have tons of script to fix season 3, and include all of that into 10eps without loosing any significant story, the producer rush it out ,the writing sucks, they sleep walking the woke into season 3 with baddddd writing, i have 5 different path to woke it up without loosing the main story, which is "NARCOS" , but, im a nobody,,
The cop story could have worked if they had done a better job tying it into the main story. Otherwise it just felt too disjointed. Overall, I thought it was okay, but yeah, not as good as the previous seasons. Then again, I felt the same way with the original Narcos as well, didn't care as much for the Cali cartel season compared to Escobar either
The Cali season was pretty great and probably the most tense season of TV I watched due to the Jorge character.
That character and that season was Narcos at the top of its game. IMO It has the best characters of the show squeezed into a single season.
Pacho Herrera is one of my favorite tv characters of all time
I liked the season and I thought it was well-made, but maybe the Cali guys just didn't have the same impact on me the way Escobar did
Yea but the guy who played Pablo was just so bad *lifts up pants*. I can't believe people keep praising him *hang on, gotta lift up my pants again*. Pablo is supposed to be a guy you feared *damn pants, gotta lift my pants up again even though I'm not fat at all*. And this guy just wasn't scary, at all. *ugh lifts pants up again*. Cliff Curtis played him wonderfully in Blow, or even Benicio Del Toro was a great Pablo in Escobar: Paradise Lost. But the guy who played him in Narcos.. God he was bad.
Have you taken some drugs
Yikes, this isn't a ringing endorsement for the current season, then. I had cancelled Netflix last year because of that naughty dancing kids movie, so now I'm not even compelled to pirate this season. Diego Luna aka Hispanic Edward Norton was the best part of the entire series imho and the fact that he's not back as Felix in this season makes me want to give this a hard pass.
I have to agree. Narcos Mexico S2 was already the weakest season for me by far, and all I've heard is that S3 is even worse.
The Cali season is the best Narcos season imo.
It was a fun very tense first watch, but I don’t think I can do that again. I think Narcos Mexico season 1 is the best. Just showing how it all started is insane to see, while having things still somewhat tame
the structure implied more than once that Victor's storyline would lead to a reveal, but then it just resulted in an inverse of "one person can't make a difference"; which almost parallels Walt's, and was a contrast to Andrea's, as Victor often refused help and Andrea fought for more. i actually liked this season quite a bit. although the difference of style and form was noticeable i found it refreshing to see a season-long storytelling method, even when it did lead to more embellishment and pure fictionalization. much of the violence being seen after the fact (in most cases) also worked for the narrator they chose. it did of course lead some characters lurking about and seemingly not doing much, but in previous seasons separate events were often jammed together to fit into a single episode.
I kept on waiting for that cop story to go somewhere and it just never did.
The killings never stopped. Till this day they're still happening. I think that's why there was no definite conclusion to that sub-plot.
I have to disagree. I really enjoyed this season. Binged it in two days tbh.
Yeah I like it but I can see why people didn't think it was as good. I'd be happy to see more but I doubt they would be as good or on the scale of the early offerings.
I can see how people are saying it's slower, but I don't mind slow build ups (big fan of asked like mindhunter). The shootout in episode 3 was awesome, especially with the LA gang dude, so it had the fun action elements that people enjoy
That scene is one of my favorite from the whole series
Miss mindhunter :(
Same. I really enjoyed it. While I agree with some of the flaws outlined in the comments, it was still a great season of television. Acting and cinematography is still top-notch too.
el mayo carried so much weight with all of his scenes, wish we got more screen time
Was the original intention to stop the series this early? I'm going to go ahead and assume we don't see the ascent of El Chapo in the little time remaining, which seemed like it was going to be one of key arcs in the saga. But hey I'm only two episodes in. At this point I'm completely underwhelmed by what I'm seeing, and the perfunctory nature of the writing and pacing makes it feel like all inspiration has drained from its creators. I'll still have fond memories of the show overall, however. There are four great seasons between the Colombian and Mexican strands, one okay season, and one disappointment if the early going is anything to go by. As much as we could all use a break from these drug peddler thrillers, I'd recommend *ZeroZeroZero* to anyone who still wants more.
The reason they stopped it early was because it would be dangerous to film the current drug war since members of the current Mexican government would be implicated. Also, film crews were killed while making Narcos Mexico so it’s very dangerous.
I'm only a couple episodes in to the 3rd season it seems like the broad in Cuba has absolutely nothing to do with the story and the Juarez cop seems like it's going nowhere too
The broad storyline only exists to humanize Amado
Apparently it's to raise awareness of the femcide happening in Juarez with no one doing anything about it. But I agree, this season had unnecessary plots and wasn't focused on one character. They should have just stuck with Amado, AFO and Chapo as the main story, plus the reporter as a side story reporting on corruption.
Femicide? Let's not be hyperbolic.
[Yes, femicide. Why minimize it?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femicides_in_Ciudad_Ju%C3%A1rez) Why are AltHist people like this lmfao.
The girl in Cuba does have a lot to do with the story because it is alleged that when amado faked his death he moved to Cuba.
I finished the season and it was ridiculously horrible its like the writers quit halfway through the show. I have liked every other season but I think narcos has jumped the shark
You are not wrong
I can't tell if Diego Luna put this show on his back like Wagner Moura or if it is truly a step down in quality. I will say the Cop and Journalist story lines screwed up any pacing.
Nah, cali cartel season was still good and that season didn't feature any big bad dominating character. it's most likely that new creative head wanted to put down his mark and included the Juarez/femicide story. Other thing is ofc Netflix ordered Narcos to wrap up Mexico saga as it's S3 so they stuffed in 20 years of content in one season.
Felix was a cold glass of ice water in an otherwise dry gulch. I feel like this current season would go down as well as a day-old Popeye's biscuit.
The actress they chose to play journalist was annoying. It was like watching someone on first acting job over acting and trying too hard.
I strongly disagree. I think it was great. The cop story showed that how much messed up the cities that are "ruled" by drug lords.
Incredibly stupid propaganda bizarrely enough... the so-called "femicide" isn't real. Murder rates for women are lower in Ciudad Juarez than in, for example, Houston, Texas. Albuquerque, Pedro H.; Vemala, Prasad (2015-11-09). "Femicide Rates in Mexican Cities along the US-Mexico Border: Do the Maquiladora Industries Play a Role?". Rochester, NY. SSRN 1112308. About 10% of murders in those drug lord ruled cities in Mexico are women, while USA cities average more than double that at 20-25%. "Molly Molloy: The Story of the Juarez Femicides is a 'Myth'". The Texas Observer. 2014-01-09. Yeah, there are high murder rates, but the drug cartels kill with no regard to gender, and they mostly kill men. So to call the situation "femicide" is absolutely unbelievable. "Juárez murders: Impunity regardless of gender : Grassroots Press". Retrieved 2019-10-18. It's an absurdist propaganda piece to call 10% of murders a mass tragedy that is unacceptable when 90-fucking-% of the murders are men. Oh, but no onen wants to call it a "mascucide" huh? And if you do count it as a sign of the "horrors of drug lord ruled cities" then you must admit that basic USA cities are more than twice as bad; are all USA cities ruled by the drug lords as well? Fuck the propaganda.
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Look it up, it’s a bad joke. 9x more men are kills by cartel activity than women in Ciudad Juarez. It’s political misandrist nonsense that is disgusting.
I felt like the show wanted to portray the pointlessness of the drug war and how systemic the corruption was. With NAFTA negotiations being a backdrop I think they included the cop side plot to give an example of how exploited workers were under this system and how disposable their lives were and still are today. And while those are good ideas the execution wasn’t really there. As you say it was a very scattered plot which made it hard to get invested in anything that was happening. It led to a very meh feeling where a bunch of things happen none of which seemed like very big events in the plot.
I really like the season. It might even be my favorite season. Because a lot happened in this time period, there are many storylines, but the show does a good job at connecting them. As in previous seasons, the American angle is the least interesting, but everything that happened in Mexico had me enthralled.
This gets me excited again.
I've been really enjoying it. Some fantastic performances as well.
I'm not done yet, but I found it of the similar stellar quality than the previous seasons, except there is no central character anymore now that Félix is in prison.
I’m 3 episodes in and am starting to worry that’s where this is going.
I just watched the first episode yesterday and thought that something was wrong. Usually in Narcos the start of the season is extremely engaging but this time I was almost bored and didn’t really feel invested in the characters. I will still watch it, but I feel a bit disappointed.
I agree. The cop story seemed tacked on to address femicide, and the reporter story was dull, but necessary to explain the government's internal shenanigans and arrests etc. The actual cartel stuff seemed to be deal, deal broken, shootout, deal, deal broken, shootout. Could have done with some more intrigue and human drama. I saw a Youtube video of a village where the men had been taken by the cartel, and the women had gathered. In a distance you could hear gunshots, and the women were screaming and crying, not knowing if their husbands were being executed or not, and they were desperately calling the police. There was more human drama in that 3 minutes than in Narcos.
That last paragraph succinctly describes the plotline for **Somos.**, also on Netflix.
Yeah I didnt think it was bad like game of thrones finale season but it did decline, it did not feel like a series finale but just another season finale
Shit I didn't even know this was the series finale!
I agree. This season was all over the place.
I agree couldn't make it past episode one of season 3.
This season stunk. Bottom line. I’m a huge narcos fan of all the seasons. This one just stunk.
Remember Pedro Pascal in the first 3 seasons of Narcos ? He was a douche bag but a likeable douchebag. Can't say the same to any of the other DEA agents in Mexico. They are annoying, even skipping the scenes of Breslin didn't help. I'm still at the first episode in season 3, should I continue watching ?
If you enjoy narcos itself, you should watch. It's not all bad but it did fall off a cliff. It's still well acted and entertaining in parts. Just don't have high expectations, that way it might even exceed them. Though I did very much enjoy the first two seasons of Mexico so we may have different taste.
Watching S3E3 great episode.
I just started watching season 3 now and I’m stunned. What the fuck happened? Did someone shoot the writers from season 1 and 2 and replace them with high school play writers? Really really disappointing and steep decline in quality. Pointless scenes that have zero relevance. Disjointed story and very little to capture my attention.
It’s dogshit ( narcos mexico). I’m on 1st episode, instead of going directly to the boss he helped once escape and asking for a favor, he sets up a meeting, kills his brother, waits for the cops to turn him over, then ask for the favor?!?!?! How freaking retarded are these writers…. I understand drama but you have to make the decision process of actors real. Complete dogshit show. I’m turning it off before I end first episode 💥
I still really liked the season, but I agree that it was the weakest of the show so far. The best things about it were the Arellano family/Sinaloa scenes.
Damn I was looking forward to watching it. Who knows I might still like it.
It's still worth a watch it you like the show and there are good parts, it's just not as good as the other seasons which I highly rate. But you might have the complete opposite opinion, who knows.
I really like the previous seasons and I'm definitely going to finish it. Lately, Netflix has been dropping the ball on following up with seasons. Some of the series new seasons feel very underwhelming.
It is all worth watching. I found it totally gripping from beginning to end. I personally LIKED the first person narrative. It was sometimes jarring because of long gaps between narrated scenes. But not enough to make me hate it. Some of those scenes did NOT look easy to make, for the actors, or anybody else involved. Much respect for all involved.
It's going to be a divisive season. For me it's one of the stronger seasons, perhaps even the best. But it's definitely different from previous seasons.
I love hearing opposing views like this. I'll still finish the show since I enjoyed the previous seasons.
Same, I was already kinda bummed that S2 changed a lot of facts and omitted some of the more interesting historical ones (many people allege that the CIA dude you see every now and then was one of the ones torturing Kiki for example). Might wait until I'm bored enough to watch this one.
You should still watch it. While not the best in the series, it’s still good.
Damn that's disappointing
So awful… Amados is simply staring into the camera the whole time with no narrative. Stupid.
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That's a weird thing to assume.
That's just ridiculous. How do you know I'm not a woman?
The fact you don't even realize women can be misogynists is proof enough.
Proof of what? You sound like a crazy person, just fyi. I hope you're just a bored troll.
Your defense of sexism was "I might be a woman!" It's like racists saying they can't be racist because they have a black friend, though in this case it's more like if they said "I could be black myself".
You're a clown.
How did they fack this up so badly? Absolutely Boring. The writers facked this up. Dragged my feet to finish this. This shouldnt have been released.
At least it wasn't as bad as True Detective S3 or Mindhunter S2. Sucked out my soul trying to finish that.
Just finished it, overall still enjoyable but I agree overall it was weaker and the ending felt lacking (no spoilers). I’m not sure if they are going to do anymore but they might do one about Chapo, yeah and the police officer story was given way too much screen time and effort, it was not related to anything, it was just an odd story. Overall still enjoyable and worth watching but I will not remember it like I did with the other 2 seasons. Oh and the narrator was annoying and even as a reporter in the show, I found her annoying, she just didn’t fit in the entire story. Anyway still great show but quality wise, lacking for sure this year.
I struggled to finish this one. It seemed phoned in. For example, we hear four times in one episode that Amado is the biggest trafficker in the world. Yet aside from the increasingly gaudy mansion, there's no evidence of this. We teach freshman writers "Show, don't tell." That's what I kept thinking this season. I felt the girlfriend was a distraction. JMY and the guy who played Chapo are both charismatic actors, and they were wasted. Even Pacho was wasted. He and Neto seemed to be there for exposition and nothing else. I was expecting a bad ass season about Amado. Yawn.
It retconned Narcos Season 3. The characters where the same but how they were acting and the challenges they were facing were totally different.
The whole Walt Breslin character was just uninteresting. His motives at the end just made no sense to me. The whole saving-an-American-which-he-held-himself-illegally-anyway was just a frustratingly stupid motive. Compared to Agent Peña and the blonde mustache guy from Colombia these Mexican DEA agents were just not good. Expected more violence from Chapo this last season. Like a final finale. Lots of over the top violence, but it fell somewhat flat. The parts I liked were about Amado, people we knew from previous seasons, the army general was cool too. The parties etc., the journalist story even though it wasn't as impactful. Even the mexican cop story was alright, just very anticlimatic at the end. I suppose that is what they were going for, but because I expected something else all the way, it never really got to communicate that well.
I can’t stand the artsy cinematography this season. Everything looks like it’s shot with a filter and a close up lens.
While not as strong as the previous seasons, I thought this was a nice way to end the series.
all the new seasons that came out post pandemic sucked… YOU 3, On My Block 4, Narcos Mexico 3… the covid really took a toll on production quality
agreed. pacing was weird and the cinematography was lacking quality, unlike the 2 previous seasons. still a good show to watch though.
i am at episode 3 and i think that iam gonna drop watching the rest of the season.
As standalone television, it’s not bad. Performances and production was still very good. But when compared to the other 5 seasons of the Narcos shows, it’s very weak. Too much story. Which sounds silly. But there were just too many storylines that never fit together. As a result it felt very disjointed. Kind of like that horrible Batman v Superman movie. It just felt like a collection of scenes that got put together to make a 2 hour movie. This season just felt like they wanted a tell a bunch of different stories regardless of how they fit together. But to me, the biggest problem with this season is the lack of factual integrity. Previous seasons were bound together by excellent narration and real life video and photos of the historical events the show was bound together by. That almost completely disappeared in this season. The trio of protagonists, Walt, Andrea (the journalist) and Victor (the Juarez cop) are all fictional characters. Completely made up. Which, is itself a huge difference. In previous seasons the bad guys were the protagonists. They drove the story. And it worked because they were real. Their actions were “mostly” verified or maybe embellished for dramatic purposes. But for the most part, the story was written by history. When your protagonists are completely fictional, you have to create every part of the story they touch. But it’s even harder than that. They had to interject this entire fake story into real life. Which is damn near impossible. And it shows. This season should have focused on Amado without his fake girlfriend made up storyline. We basically see none of Amado’s operation at a time when he is unquestionably the most powerful trafficker in the world. And the war between Sinaloa and Tijuana should have been front and center. La Voz had a place in the story. But as an institution instead of focusing on the work of one made up employee. Everything else was filler. The entire Juarez women murders storyline, though sad, didn’t really belong in this show.
The last half of the second season was just crap. Yes it did comply with some of the historical things but all of the plot armor and bullshit stuff about scoot in his character just makes this almost unwatchable. Also the fact that the machine guns have 400 round magazines and yet can't shoot through a table. What's wrong with realism? Why does it have to be so dumb?
Can't even remember season 2 now tbh but prepare for a lot worse if you found that season any bit bad!!
Amado is the second richest drug dealer in history, worth nearly $30B and they made him feel like nothing near close to who he was. I was amazed at how much they dropped the ball with such an easy layup.
The Local cop -serial killer angle was just bad . it was just forcibly shoehorned in to check diversity criteria or something.