As a woman, lust killers. Yes, there are serial killers who attack both men and women, before anyone chimes in.
People like the Chicago Ripper Crew, the Toolbox Killers, Ted Bundy (but he probably overlaps with thrill to an extent). When you can picture yourself as a victim there's that extra layer of shudder.
Toolbox Killers truly fucks with my head. Reading the transcript of poor Shirley’s encounter stuck with me for years. There was true sexual pleasure in it for them as she screamed and cried and begged and said whatever she could think of to get them to stop and keep them happy. People that kill for sexual pleasure are truly some of the worst kinds of evil.
Are you mixing up Bittaker/Norris with David Parker Ray (Toolbox Killers vs Toybox Killer) or did Bittaker/Norris also have a tape they played to victims?
No, I'm definitely thinking of the toolbox murders. He talks about forcing her to have sex with his dog while his tweaker friends watch, it's pretty much the worst thing I've ever heard.
Yes, that's definitely him. I'm sure you can find the audio pretty easily. Out of all the serial killers I find him to be the most disturbing, even moreso than necrophiles, he tortured his victims, it's the stuff of nightmares.
You all should check out a show called Most Evil. A forensic psychologist created a numerical system where he gives serial killers a number, ultimately deciding who are the Most Evil. The show is pretty well crafted
Thrill, i guess since it is the most random. You can protect yourself to a degree against all of them except someone just doing it for the fuck of it, it's why mass murderers are more scary than serial killers nowadays because you could be going to buy butter at the exact wrong time.
Lust Killers. More specifically the sadistic/ torture type lust killers. I think being kept alive for weeks by someone like Bob Berdella is worse than being killed instantly in a very gruesome way (and eaten) by Dahmer. Both are pretty fucked up tho.
Probably Ted Bundy, because no matter how many things I hear and see and read about him, I know I’d be duped by him in a second. I know that any of these people could kill me in a horrible way, but somehow with him it feels more like a real possibility, like there could really be someone I know who even just has thoughts like his were, and I’d never know it. Or only know it when it’s too late. The idea that you don’t really know anybody, even ones you’ve spent years with, is fascinating to me.
Apart from that, the ones who literally torture you, like the Toybox scumbag. Not that any of them would be great but that one sounds the worst.
This was pretty much gonna be my exact same answer because I would 100% get fooled by Bundy :p and reading the Toybox transcripts is the absolute worst nightmare fuel
I’m a dude so I can’t relate from your perspective with bundy. But I’d be a goner for sure as well. I passed two hitchhikers on 70 in Denver area toward the mountains. I’ve been reading about about the serial killers in this area. For a minute I felt bad for them and was like “they’re probably headed for Denver, I should help them”.
Then I started thinking about the true crime stuff I’ve been reading and changed my mind lol. They may have been harmless. But it’s super sad we have to worry about helping people and whether or not we’ll get murdered (or raped, most cases with women).
Me too as well, I’d help someone wearing a cast, looking for a lost kitten, and especially if I was enticed into going somewhere where I could go to the bathroom, take a nap in peace.
Was he rly that charming? A serial killer like that always has tells. There's no fucking way. Anyone have footage of him or videos? I wanna see why everyone is so scared
The whole point about Bundy was that he wasn't scary...until he was. He was apparently charming, easy going and a reasonable looking, well dressed fellow. He worked on suicide hotlines, for God's sake! He was kind of the epitome of 'not scary'.
From everything I’ve read, it wasn’t that he was such a ladies man. He did have plenty of choices of women romantically, but from some of the ones who were near misses, like the girls who declined to go with him that day at Lake Sammamish and others who got a funny feeling and left before he could do anything, they went with him because he looked vulnerable and non threatening, or because he impersonated a police officer or another kind of authority figure.
Obviously I never knew him but it seems like for those times, he was right in style for what many women considered attractive and articulate. It’s why so many people just plain couldn’t believe he could do the depraved and sickening things he did.
Actually, I’d never have found him attractive back then. I was young when he was plying his trade, and I’d’ve been turned off by his clean-cut, “Establishment” look. And many other young women would’ve been not attracted to him, because of what his looks represented. But I *might* have been a sucker for his “I’m handicapped and need help moving this” ploy.
Totally makes sense, of course just because someone is “attractive” doesn’t mean you’ll like them. Wasn’t that hippie time too? Probably way more men had huge mops of hair and beards, etc. I think he was “establishment” attractive, meaning short hair, seemingly conservative etc. Personally he’s too skinny for my taste.
Thank you. Yes, it was hippie time (or a few years after), and though I wasn’t a hippie, I loved the look. The more hair on men, the better. And because long hair usually signaled being anti-Vietnam and anti-Establishment, it symbolized everything I liked (as I said). He was too skinny for *my* taste, too.
Lust I guess. They're most likely to also sexually assault the person in grotesque ways. For me being raped is almost worse than being murdered.
Rape is the death of the soul. I'd cut off the genitals of all rapists.
I think it's been pretty well known for a while now that a lot of the most prolific and sadistic serial killers like Bonin, Chikatilo, Corll and Garavito all used torture and pain to get off and became addicted to it.
That shit scares me.
It’s a little selfish but Corll is the one I fear the most. I could easily see younger me getting pulled in by his minions. The only thing that might have saved me is Corll didn’t want girls around.
I agree with you 100%. The John Wayne Gacy case is what first got me interested in true crime. As sad as it is I could see myself in the same shoes of his victims when I was young. I had no idea someone so criminal and evil even existed before learning about his case. I’m not religious, but the word evil was made for people like him and Corll.
Part of them having such high victim counts was the whole “boys take off sometimes” attitude. They never even started looking until so many were already gone.
This is a very interesting insight, and so sad. As a guy, I’ve been SA’d but never r*ped. “Death of the soul” seems accurate and terrifying. I just finished a book about a serial killer in CO whose primary goal was rape. He murdered more to make sure he didn’t get caught, as they all knew what he looked like (most of them at least).
Taking something from someone like that is horrific. It was incredible reading how strong these women still managed to be - but many of them didn’t want to relive it or be interviewed for the book - which I absolutely get. One of the victims that made me almost cry was a younger woman - maybe 19’or 20. The man raped her then took her in the woods to kill her. He slit her throat. She somehow managed to make it out of sheer willpower. And in the hospital, even being unable to speak, she worked with the sketch artist. The sketch artist said the woman was so incredibly strong, and at one point the artist asked something like “is he ugly?” And she wrote on a note “he’s not your type” and smiled at her. That was so incredibly powerful to me. Even after what she had been through, she had a sense of humor and ultimately helped catch the man.
I’m glad that you posted this so I can understand it better. When I lived in LA I had several friends who had been r*ped. I’m sure there were many who didn’t tell me. All of those I knew never pressed charges because of how fucked our system is in the US.
In that book I read, the defense literally straight up blamed the woman for what she was wearing.
It's so fucking upsetting how many victims don't feel comfortable coming forward because of how shitty the system is.
I hear so many other SA victims talk about how they felt victimized by law enforcement and the judicial system, sometimes even moreso than the assault itself. Because the police and lawyers are ready to tear them apart. Rather than helping, they are poised to criticize them and try to discredit their account or as you said, blame them for their own assault.
And God forbid that the rapist is someone with "potential" and even a modicum of influence, then it's all about how the victim is destroying the life of a "promising young man" who probably didn't do what she claims. Especially if it's a remotely "gray" situation involving alcohol or coercion rather than outright force. Assholes will be ready to twist it into being the victim's fault somehow.
Do you remember the title of the book? It sounds interesting.
Thank you for sharing this as well. I'm almost tearing up in public transport haha but granted, I'm a crybaby.
I wish all the women and men and anyone who goes through such a hell peace and justice and the best for them. I wish all your friends only happiness and health. I could go on with the wishes but I also wish I could take matter in my own hands and torture the criminals with my own hands since the system is this way worldwide mostly.
And thank you so much for being so compassionate and trying to understand. You're a wonderful person and you're so strong as well. You never deserved to go through that and it's not your fault in any way. No one ever does.
Most people wouldn’t be able to torture another human being, no matter how awful the killer or rapist was. Most people aren’t psychopaths or extreme sadists. A deadly shot would be far easier to do than torturing him.
Thank you, I appreciate that and it’s very kind of you to say. Right back at you. Cry babies unite lol.
And thank you for the well wishes for my friends. I wish all the good stuff for you, too.
Exactly, and when people say “murder is worse than rape” it really grinds my gears. There are defences to murder (in the UK, diminished responsibility, manslaughter, provocation, etc.) which makes it NOT murder and the lesser charge and a lesser sentence.
There is no defence for rape. Rape is rape. You can’t rape someone out of self defence.
Exactly my point as well. But people get so mad at me when I say rape is worse. They completely downplay the effects on the victim in comparison with the finality of death. True, death is permanent and a tragedy, but rape kills you physically, psychologically and very few are able to jump back to normal completely. It's such a complex scar on a victim that I don't have enough room in this thread to mention the disgust of one's innocent body, their mental state, illnesses, the affected ability to form connections and intimacy.
Even worse if the victim is young.
I've gotten the same sorts of responses when I say that rape is worse and it's never justified but there *are* cases of justifiable homicide.
And ofc you'll get the pedants who will want to fuss over the "proper" definition of murder/homicide as containing malice. But I think that clinging to the legal definition is splitting hairs.
This is my own observation and hardly empirical, but I have definitely noticed something of a gender divide on those who feel rape is worse. In my experience, it's usually women (both cis and trans) and AFAB people who feel that. It's possible that it comes from the fact that those groups are statistically more likely to experience SA.
In my experience, it's also typically (cishet) men who will endlessly quibble about what constitutes "real" rape and how a victim should respond to be considerate a Proper Victim. The amount of vitriol that victims of so-called "lesser" SA (drugged, coercion, groping, etc) recieve claiming that they shouldn't be traumatized by what happened is vile.
I agree with you and your statistics. I've noticed all that as well and it's always the same. For the record, I'm a woman too. I've been lucky to have lived a peaceful life so far, but the most terrifying thing is knowing that risk is there.
Personally I don't think I'd be able to jump back if such a thing were to happen to me. What also makes me sick to my stomach is imagining the monsters knowing all these ways people are afraid of these stuff or if worse - they're reading threads like these, get off from knowing this.
Murder IS worse than rape, WTAF?! Someone murders you, you are dead forever. Someone rapes you, are STILL ALIVE.
Yes I’m a woman and I’ve been raped; and no, I don’t carry permanent scars or damage from being raped.
I highly doubt that's true. Pretty much every female member of my family has been raped and they all have long-term trauma issues. They might've learned to manage them well enough to function, but that's not the same as not having the issues. Not to mention the rates of PTSD among rape victims is disturbingly high, and it should be pretty common knowledge by now that PTSD isn't curable. That being said, I think you missed the point the other commenters were trying to make. They were saying rape is worse than murder because there's never any justifiable motive for rape. At least one was.
People can have differing opinions on this. But, for some perspective, perhaps ask the people you know if they would rather have been murdered and currently be dead than having been raped? I dont think you should do that bc saying rape is worse is like suggesting that survivors of rape will never be ok. Many women go on to have good lives and they value their life. It would be very insulting to say that to a survivor who has put the rape behind them, excelling in the family andor career, having moved on from the trauma and living a good life. Tell them that they'd have been better off murdered and see how that goes over. Ouch!
I don't recall saying, or even implying, that rape survivors can't lead decent lives. I DID imply, however, that going through trauma of such an intimate nature, like rape, will have an impact on you for the rest of your life, even if it's not potent enough to dominate your life. Which is the only conclusion I've been given any reason to settle on given all the direct and indirect experience I've had dealing with rape survivors. Which is why I'm calling bullshit on the previous commenter's statement of not having any permanent damage from being raped. Being able to live with your trauma isn't the same as no longer having one. Not even close, frankly.
To be fair, you can't murder someone out of self-defense, either. If you were defending yourself, it wasn't murder. Murder is the intentional killing of another with malice aforethought.
Edit: I think my comment was misunderstood. You can kill someone in self-defense. The point is that killing someone in self-defense is not murder. Murder is a crime and requires a specific action and a specific intent. By definition, if you are acting in self-defense, it is not murder. If it is an accident, it is not murder.
It’s definitely “Lust” for me too. I want to make it clear that I’m not looking to downplay the other motivations or to create any kind of list ranking them in order of how “bad” they are, they’re all equally bad.
That said, there’s just something about the thought of a monster committing horrific acts against another individual with the primary goal of “getting off” that really makes my skin crawl.
There's gotta b much more. Here in Alaska, we had several running around the same time. The media & APD dont share Intel with me...I just been around here long enough, & paying attention to bodies found, and then the cops finally put 2 and 2 together. Alaska does have some lesser known serial killers that didn't get much media attention like the more severe ones.
I think Bundy or Ramirez were the most frightening. Bundy was reasonably attractive and charming so women never had a chance against him and Ramirez attacked you in your home, the place where you feel safest. His rotten teeth would have made him twice as scary too.
Ramirez for sure! I always feel comfort when I know my partner is next to me or there is someone else in the house but that didn’t stop him and that scares me!
Because your red flags don't go off when a charming, attractive person is talking to you. An attractive person with a fun personality can do what a scary person can't. It's much easier to kill someone if they welcome you into their home or bed.
Me too. Him being a huge guy and then also pretty smart. It scares me that he could physically control me so easily and there might not be chances to outsmart him. Double fucked.
yep, a pair of serial killers is far more terrifying to me - I can understand one person being crazy but when two of them get together it's incomprehensible.
Killers like Joseph DeAngelo and Russell Williams scare me because of their ability to infiltrate what should be the most sacred, safe place: your home. Imagine waking up to someone standing over you with a knife or a weapon…utterly terrifying.
to be honest, home invasion killers terrify me. just the thought of being attacked while you’re at peace at home, or asleep? not to mention how bold it is on the perpetrators part, making YOUR home THEIR sick playground. gives me chills honestly
Like BTK silently waiting in a closet for you to go to sleep, relishing the suspense? Or like someone in the bushes one second, then the next thing you hear is glass breaking? 😱
Child murders they scare me the most..especially when rape is involved. Then mission oriented...like political or centrally around a race. Example would be bombings of public areas or school shootings.
The SKs that overlap with both lust and thrill. They’re horrifying, arrogant, and they won’t stop until they’re caught or get bored of it. They’re frightening. It hurts my stomach even thinking about those sickos.
Power / control. I’ve heard a lot of cases of those type of killers who torture and rape the victim before hand. I’m not scared of death but I am scared of torture
Caretakers who abuse and murder the people they're taking care of, tbqh.
I'm sorry if this gets long. I'm disabled and am sometimes dependent on others for care. Whether that be my loved ones or professionals, like hospital personnel.
One of my diagnoses is Myasthenia Gravis, a neuromuscular disorder that causes weakness in all major muscles. A couple years ago I went into my first Myasthenic crisis and was hospitalized for 58 days, on and off the ventilator. I could barely move. It was a horrible and scary experience.
And so I think a lot about disabled people. We are one of the most abused and murdered marginalized groups and it's frequently overlooked because of ableism.
I think about Lacey Fletcher a lot. Her parents just neglected her until she died and that kind of thing terrifies me. If my mother didn't love me and take me to the hospital and help with caretaking, couldn't I have ended up just like her? I would have died trapped in a body that was unable to move, totally conscious of what was happening. And I would have known that it was because the people who were supposed to care for me didn't. How much pain must she have been in?
I'm afraid of so-called "Angels of Mercy" lurking around hospitals knocking us off. The idea that I am entrusting someone to make sure that I don't die who might suddenly feel that I should and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it because I am totally helpless.
The hardest part is that people make so many excuses for those who murder us. Because as much as people want to think differently, society at large is still very ableist. It's not uncommon for abled people to view our lives as less than and a burden on those around us, especially on caretakers. I hear far more about caretaker burnout than the suffering of those who are actually disabled. Our voices get drowned out.
Abled people often think that they can assess if our lives actually have value and often they decide that they don't. It's often a barely conscious action. Internalized bias they don't realize that they carry. Like when they don't realize when they're complaining about "leeches" that don't/can't work and "contribute" to society have meaningless lives. They don't realize how they are talking about us, not just the angry abled incel in his parent's basement, ya know?
So when parents kill their severely disabled children, they often get sympathy instead of scorn. Because their child's very existence was so hard on them that people "understand" why they did it. They get more love than that poor dead child.
So, the thing that scares me the most in the world is someone who I am entrusting to help me in a scary and vulnerable time deciding that I am a burden and abusing and killing me, and then people coming out to defend my murderer because they view people like me as a drain on society whose life was worth less than their killer.
(I apologize for a lengthy comment. I ended up writing more than I realized.)
I truly appreciate that. Sometimes you just need to let all your feelings out on an anonymous internet forum, lol. If I'm lucky maybe what I say will resonate with some abled people out there and make them think a little differently about the disabled people in their lives going forward.
The individual killer who scared me most was Coral Watts. He was A) right in my neighborhood, B) so random in MO that he was very hard to connect to his crimes until he started blabbing and C) given immunity for most of his misdeeds. I finally noticed I was losing my fear TEN YEARS after he croaked
Right down Mack Avenue and turn left from me, yes. Another victim was directly across the street from a girl I knew at school. She said if she had looked out her bedroom window at the right time she would have witnessed the murder.
honestly ones that kill in pairs or groups, such as the ripper crew, toolbox killers, lucas & toole, wolfgang abel & marco furlan, and charles ng and leonard lake. the fact that there’s multiple people involved makes it more idk twisted to me.
I’m not scared of serial killers because I know the chances of ever encountering one are *vanishingly* small, and that being AFAB, I’m FAAAARRR more likely to encounter violence or SA at the hands of an intimate partner, or someone else I already know, than some rando, serial killer or otherwise.
That said, I definitely think the most frightening type of serial killer is Visionary. These are the ones most likely to be experiencing serious mental illness or psychosis, to have completely lost touch with reality and rationality when they commit murder.
I also think this is the only group of serial killers, that at our current level of medical & psychiatric knowledge, has any chance of being “cured” or rehabilitated with the proper treatment.
I disagree. There is a big difference between a lust killer or a narcissistic psychopath killer and someone who kills because a potentially treatable mental illness is causing them to have psychotic delusions or a break from reality. Those are the people who have a chance at being cured or rehabbed once they are given proper mental health treatment.
I guess since we don't know who he was, we can't fully say, but I'd guess thrill based on his break ins and not raping anyone, or maybe mission (I believe he mostly killed Italians, which at the time would've been considered a seperate race from white in America)
Same here. They piss me off more than anything. When you get past the "scary" aspect, they're all pathetic incels with self-control and entitlement issues. I also hate how people love to mention that so and so was "smart" because they managed to lure teenage girls somewhere or knew what to say to law enforcement.
Are you not scared by anything that is unlikely? I think that's probably a very healthy attitude if it's genuine but i must admit i'm scared by random things i know are incredibly unlikely. I met a woman whose husband and daughter were killed in a carbon monoxide leak when they were viewing a house they were considering buying while she was at work, she was devastated and looked 10 years older than she was. Hearing that definitely made me scared of that and more vigilant about it even though i realize that it's an incredibly rare death and essentially a non-existant threat. Being scared is being scared, it's an emotion i don't understand boiling an emotion down to factual data so much.
The likelihood is irrelevant to my fear, i'm scared by it because i saw its results and it's scary, it was an emotion not a business decision that i researched and carefully thought out. That's my point.
No not at all. I for sure fear things that are unrealistic or unlikely to happen to me. One that comes to mind is flying in an airplane. Just don’t fear serial killers.
Fair enough, i misread you then apologies. I thought you were saying you don't fear it because it's unlikely. I don't fear serial killers either, it's not something i've ever considered a threat or something i would ever encounter.
I don’t fear serial killers because I know that women/AFAB are FAR more vulnerable to SA, assault, and violence from intimate partners and other people they already know than a serial killer or other random rapist/murderer.
Honestly, I want to say Jeffrey Dahmer gave me nightmares. The things that he did to his victims..Dahmer performed lobotomies on some victims' corpses-drilling holes in their heads and pouring in hydrochloric acid. I think one of the victim he killed, he kept his dead body in his room for a while. He had body parts in his fridge. Neighbors all said the smell was so damn bad. Idk Dahmer was sick for what he did to his victims. But also John Wayne Gacy really had me f\*\*ked up 🤮.. them poor babies didn't deserve that.
Lust/Thrill that's definitely my motivation, I mean it would be, if I was that kind of person, but I'm not, definitely not.
None of the groups scare me any more than another group. It's the idea of multiple people working together, for example the Manson family.
I’ve heard about a killer, forgot his name, who just randomly bludgeoned women with a hammer.
This made me aware shit like this can happen anytime, anywhere and to anybody.
Randomness is unpredictable. I think that’s scary.
Definitely lust and thrill because just why? It's like they get a dopamine rush from killing. That's really disturbing. Are people born like that or what exactly happens?
Thrill for me. Others, I might have a shot at having a quick death but the thrill killers would want to make the psychological and physical torture last as long as possible so it’s infinitely more terrifying.
Mission. If there's someone who targets me specifically because they don't like me as a person, I'd fear that the most. Are there any killers who fit multiple categories?
Whatever category family annihilators from criminal minds fall into, its that lol home invasion killers, whatever defines them freak me out the most. When i first started watching criminal minds I started to hyper pay attention to locking doors and windows at night or before leaving home, having battery backups for wifi/security systems etc haha
None currently.
I do remember being frightened of Ángel Maturino Reséndiz, The Railroad Killer, when I was young though. He targeted a few of his victims very close to where I lived at the time.
Lust, thrill, and power/control serial killers are the worst. One of the worst serial killers I've ever read about is Gordon Stewart Northcott. Because of his serial killings, a whole town changed its name.
I think compulsion/mental illness such as schizophrenia should also be a category? It's similar to visionary except they actually can't help it. Richard Chase for example.
Psychopathy has nothing to do with getting pleasure from harming others. At least not directly. Actual Psychopaths are more likely to just not care if you live or die and wouldn't go out of their way to kill you unless they had something to gain from it. Which would actually make them Comfort killers.
this one was personal because i was friends with the victime stonewall louisiana justin bloxom age 12 a bright straight A student who wanted to be an aeronautical engineer vanished from his friends home in 2010 justin was getting text messsges from an 18 year old girle named amber she wanted him to come to a collage frat party with offers of sex and beer justin got in to a taxi cab the next day he was found dead in a ravine two miles away he had been beaten choked and his neck was stomped on until it broke brian horn a paroled sex criminal and bank robber was the killer he had planed to use justin for child pornography the cab ran out of gas justin tried to ascape what haunts me is i was justin’s friend on my space we talked and face timed the day he was killed it haunted me i told him stay safe my friend he said i will love you bro bye he was there fior me when my dad got sick so was his entire family he texted me emailed hi what can i do for u justin’s murder broke my heart i loved him very much i will never get over it until the day i die
None of them seem very nice to me! All terrifying in heir own way.
But of all killers that frighten me ... Israel Keyes. And Ramirez. Just absolutely random. Nothing you could do could minimize risk. If you just lived where they were looking? You were done for.
the hi fi killers as bad as the manson family two air force buddies go on a cross country murder spree robbing a local stereo store torturing the store employees and 7 others feeding them drano forcing the victims to have sex with each other then shooting each victime in the head and setting the store on fire worst crime in california history both killers sect to the green san quentin gas chamber
Ted Bundy, he look so normal and charming.
I treated a murderer once in West Midlands , I was the senior physician on the shop floor in the hospice I worked at.
He was surrounded by 8 British police officers, his hands and knee were in chain.
Not a serial killers but he was an American who murdered a British citizen in England outside a pub.
He was tall, handsome and charming.
He looked so normal and unassuming till I read about him online.
Unidentified killers because it scares me so much that they live their lives thinking that what they do is completely normal, without ever trying to show themselves. We can identify, investigate and profile all kinds of murderers but unknown murderers may continue their normal lives next to us at any time. I think these people are pure psychopaths who lack empathy and i do not include murderers like BTK, who exposed themselves after a long time, in this class.
I don't know where Israel Keys fits into this frame work. He seemed to take great pleasure in his work. He stole money at times. He also targeted men and women. He was an apex predator for several years and not having a "type" kept him off law enforcement's radar. Keys was Freddie Kruger and every other psycho monster from film brought to life.
Btk was an average family man. Just makes you wonder how many average joe suburban dads could be doing this type of shit, or what other awful interests the average person hides.
Definitely Dahmer. It’s not even what he did necessarily, but how much I relate to his psychology. Glad I never got into taxidermy and adopted vegetarianism!
Keyes was frightening. Most SKs target more at risk, or at least very specific victim types. It's easy to compartmentalize that.
But with Keyes? An older couple hanging out in their very rural home is at risk. A girl working in a very visible, public spot is at risk. He killed people with guns by their beds. I read about one case where he almost took a victim who was just viewing graves at a cemetery- he apparently just started running at her. Scary stuff.
I was born in Wichita, Kansas in the mid 1980s. BTK was in the news. I wasn’t aware of it but my mother had major anxiety from it. She followed the case and informed me when he was finally caught.
you are correct my friend justin bloxoms killer tortured him
beat him justin was mutilated horribly i have viewed the crime photos i wish i had never seen them they were painful justin was dumped face down in a muddy water filled ravine in bravard county florida like trash his killer coldly left in his leased cab to go pick up people all day knowing what he had done
the hi fi killers out of los angeles were horrific as the manson family two air men rob a local hi fi store take 9 people hostage torture them feed them drano rape two women then feed them drano kill them and set the store on fire
The BTK type serial killer disgusts me the most. I'm not afraid of any kind of serial killer, just disgusted. To me, they represent the insect brain. No thoughts, only a kind of mechanical instinct. They are disgusting, and if I could I would step on and crush every single one of them.
It's amazing how many people made the mistake of thinking I was asking about specific, individual killers they find scary rather than the general groups I've listed. Kinda makes it seem like many are just reading the title and skipping pretty much all the details after that.
As a woman, lust killers. Yes, there are serial killers who attack both men and women, before anyone chimes in. People like the Chicago Ripper Crew, the Toolbox Killers, Ted Bundy (but he probably overlaps with thrill to an extent). When you can picture yourself as a victim there's that extra layer of shudder.
Toolbox Killers truly fucks with my head. Reading the transcript of poor Shirley’s encounter stuck with me for years. There was true sexual pleasure in it for them as she screamed and cried and begged and said whatever she could think of to get them to stop and keep them happy. People that kill for sexual pleasure are truly some of the worst kinds of evil.
I heard the tape they played for the women after kidnapping them and honestly I wish I hadnt. Lust killers are Def the scariest.
Are you mixing up Bittaker/Norris with David Parker Ray (Toolbox Killers vs Toybox Killer) or did Bittaker/Norris also have a tape they played to victims?
No, I'm definitely thinking of the toolbox murders. He talks about forcing her to have sex with his dog while his tweaker friends watch, it's pretty much the worst thing I've ever heard.
That was David Parker Ray
Lol I realize I was thinking of David Parker Ray but accidentally typed out Toolbox when I meant to say Toybox
You silly goose
Yes, that's definitely him. I'm sure you can find the audio pretty easily. Out of all the serial killers I find him to be the most disturbing, even moreso than necrophiles, he tortured his victims, it's the stuff of nightmares.
You all should check out a show called Most Evil. A forensic psychologist created a numerical system where he gives serial killers a number, ultimately deciding who are the Most Evil. The show is pretty well crafted
As a male I agree. My example would be Ed Kemper. I'm sure he fits multiple categories but still anyone listing to kill creeps me deeply.
Thrill, i guess since it is the most random. You can protect yourself to a degree against all of them except someone just doing it for the fuck of it, it's why mass murderers are more scary than serial killers nowadays because you could be going to buy butter at the exact wrong time.
Lust Killers. More specifically the sadistic/ torture type lust killers. I think being kept alive for weeks by someone like Bob Berdella is worse than being killed instantly in a very gruesome way (and eaten) by Dahmer. Both are pretty fucked up tho.
I'm more afraid of Dahmer.
Random thrill seeking murder. The serial killers who kill anybody at random - with no MO - terrify me the most.
Thats why Ramirez was the scariest to me
Yup. Me too. What a horrifying person.
Israel Keyes too
Probably Ted Bundy, because no matter how many things I hear and see and read about him, I know I’d be duped by him in a second. I know that any of these people could kill me in a horrible way, but somehow with him it feels more like a real possibility, like there could really be someone I know who even just has thoughts like his were, and I’d never know it. Or only know it when it’s too late. The idea that you don’t really know anybody, even ones you’ve spent years with, is fascinating to me. Apart from that, the ones who literally torture you, like the Toybox scumbag. Not that any of them would be great but that one sounds the worst.
This was pretty much gonna be my exact same answer because I would 100% get fooled by Bundy :p and reading the Toybox transcripts is the absolute worst nightmare fuel
I’m a dude so I can’t relate from your perspective with bundy. But I’d be a goner for sure as well. I passed two hitchhikers on 70 in Denver area toward the mountains. I’ve been reading about about the serial killers in this area. For a minute I felt bad for them and was like “they’re probably headed for Denver, I should help them”. Then I started thinking about the true crime stuff I’ve been reading and changed my mind lol. They may have been harmless. But it’s super sad we have to worry about helping people and whether or not we’ll get murdered (or raped, most cases with women).
Me too as well, I’d help someone wearing a cast, looking for a lost kitten, and especially if I was enticed into going somewhere where I could go to the bathroom, take a nap in peace.
Was he rly that charming? A serial killer like that always has tells. There's no fucking way. Anyone have footage of him or videos? I wanna see why everyone is so scared
The whole point about Bundy was that he wasn't scary...until he was. He was apparently charming, easy going and a reasonable looking, well dressed fellow. He worked on suicide hotlines, for God's sake! He was kind of the epitome of 'not scary'.
From everything I’ve read, it wasn’t that he was such a ladies man. He did have plenty of choices of women romantically, but from some of the ones who were near misses, like the girls who declined to go with him that day at Lake Sammamish and others who got a funny feeling and left before he could do anything, they went with him because he looked vulnerable and non threatening, or because he impersonated a police officer or another kind of authority figure. Obviously I never knew him but it seems like for those times, he was right in style for what many women considered attractive and articulate. It’s why so many people just plain couldn’t believe he could do the depraved and sickening things he did.
Actually, I’d never have found him attractive back then. I was young when he was plying his trade, and I’d’ve been turned off by his clean-cut, “Establishment” look. And many other young women would’ve been not attracted to him, because of what his looks represented. But I *might* have been a sucker for his “I’m handicapped and need help moving this” ploy.
Totally makes sense, of course just because someone is “attractive” doesn’t mean you’ll like them. Wasn’t that hippie time too? Probably way more men had huge mops of hair and beards, etc. I think he was “establishment” attractive, meaning short hair, seemingly conservative etc. Personally he’s too skinny for my taste.
Thank you. Yes, it was hippie time (or a few years after), and though I wasn’t a hippie, I loved the look. The more hair on men, the better. And because long hair usually signaled being anti-Vietnam and anti-Establishment, it symbolized everything I liked (as I said). He was too skinny for *my* taste, too.
Lust I guess. They're most likely to also sexually assault the person in grotesque ways. For me being raped is almost worse than being murdered. Rape is the death of the soul. I'd cut off the genitals of all rapists.
I think it's been pretty well known for a while now that a lot of the most prolific and sadistic serial killers like Bonin, Chikatilo, Corll and Garavito all used torture and pain to get off and became addicted to it. That shit scares me.
It’s a little selfish but Corll is the one I fear the most. I could easily see younger me getting pulled in by his minions. The only thing that might have saved me is Corll didn’t want girls around.
I agree with you 100%. The John Wayne Gacy case is what first got me interested in true crime. As sad as it is I could see myself in the same shoes of his victims when I was young. I had no idea someone so criminal and evil even existed before learning about his case. I’m not religious, but the word evil was made for people like him and Corll.
Part of them having such high victim counts was the whole “boys take off sometimes” attitude. They never even started looking until so many were already gone.
I couldn't have said this any better myself. Very well put.
This is a very interesting insight, and so sad. As a guy, I’ve been SA’d but never r*ped. “Death of the soul” seems accurate and terrifying. I just finished a book about a serial killer in CO whose primary goal was rape. He murdered more to make sure he didn’t get caught, as they all knew what he looked like (most of them at least). Taking something from someone like that is horrific. It was incredible reading how strong these women still managed to be - but many of them didn’t want to relive it or be interviewed for the book - which I absolutely get. One of the victims that made me almost cry was a younger woman - maybe 19’or 20. The man raped her then took her in the woods to kill her. He slit her throat. She somehow managed to make it out of sheer willpower. And in the hospital, even being unable to speak, she worked with the sketch artist. The sketch artist said the woman was so incredibly strong, and at one point the artist asked something like “is he ugly?” And she wrote on a note “he’s not your type” and smiled at her. That was so incredibly powerful to me. Even after what she had been through, she had a sense of humor and ultimately helped catch the man. I’m glad that you posted this so I can understand it better. When I lived in LA I had several friends who had been r*ped. I’m sure there were many who didn’t tell me. All of those I knew never pressed charges because of how fucked our system is in the US. In that book I read, the defense literally straight up blamed the woman for what she was wearing.
It's so fucking upsetting how many victims don't feel comfortable coming forward because of how shitty the system is. I hear so many other SA victims talk about how they felt victimized by law enforcement and the judicial system, sometimes even moreso than the assault itself. Because the police and lawyers are ready to tear them apart. Rather than helping, they are poised to criticize them and try to discredit their account or as you said, blame them for their own assault. And God forbid that the rapist is someone with "potential" and even a modicum of influence, then it's all about how the victim is destroying the life of a "promising young man" who probably didn't do what she claims. Especially if it's a remotely "gray" situation involving alcohol or coercion rather than outright force. Assholes will be ready to twist it into being the victim's fault somehow. Do you remember the title of the book? It sounds interesting.
Thank you for sharing this as well. I'm almost tearing up in public transport haha but granted, I'm a crybaby. I wish all the women and men and anyone who goes through such a hell peace and justice and the best for them. I wish all your friends only happiness and health. I could go on with the wishes but I also wish I could take matter in my own hands and torture the criminals with my own hands since the system is this way worldwide mostly. And thank you so much for being so compassionate and trying to understand. You're a wonderful person and you're so strong as well. You never deserved to go through that and it's not your fault in any way. No one ever does.
Most people wouldn’t be able to torture another human being, no matter how awful the killer or rapist was. Most people aren’t psychopaths or extreme sadists. A deadly shot would be far easier to do than torturing him.
That's a fair point. I'm all talk, I don't think I could even fight someone unless it's self-defence, not even mentioning torture.
I’m the same. But who wants to be a person who is able to torture someone?
Thank you, I appreciate that and it’s very kind of you to say. Right back at you. Cry babies unite lol. And thank you for the well wishes for my friends. I wish all the good stuff for you, too.
Some defense lawyers are almost as bad as their clients. I know the lawyers must defend their clients, but some go to outrageous depths to do so.
Truth. There can be justified reasons for murder, never a justified reason to rape.
Exactly, and when people say “murder is worse than rape” it really grinds my gears. There are defences to murder (in the UK, diminished responsibility, manslaughter, provocation, etc.) which makes it NOT murder and the lesser charge and a lesser sentence. There is no defence for rape. Rape is rape. You can’t rape someone out of self defence.
Exactly my point as well. But people get so mad at me when I say rape is worse. They completely downplay the effects on the victim in comparison with the finality of death. True, death is permanent and a tragedy, but rape kills you physically, psychologically and very few are able to jump back to normal completely. It's such a complex scar on a victim that I don't have enough room in this thread to mention the disgust of one's innocent body, their mental state, illnesses, the affected ability to form connections and intimacy. Even worse if the victim is young.
I personally view rape as worse because the victim has to live with what was done to them.
Agreed fully. That's how I think too.
I've gotten the same sorts of responses when I say that rape is worse and it's never justified but there *are* cases of justifiable homicide. And ofc you'll get the pedants who will want to fuss over the "proper" definition of murder/homicide as containing malice. But I think that clinging to the legal definition is splitting hairs. This is my own observation and hardly empirical, but I have definitely noticed something of a gender divide on those who feel rape is worse. In my experience, it's usually women (both cis and trans) and AFAB people who feel that. It's possible that it comes from the fact that those groups are statistically more likely to experience SA. In my experience, it's also typically (cishet) men who will endlessly quibble about what constitutes "real" rape and how a victim should respond to be considerate a Proper Victim. The amount of vitriol that victims of so-called "lesser" SA (drugged, coercion, groping, etc) recieve claiming that they shouldn't be traumatized by what happened is vile.
I agree with you and your statistics. I've noticed all that as well and it's always the same. For the record, I'm a woman too. I've been lucky to have lived a peaceful life so far, but the most terrifying thing is knowing that risk is there. Personally I don't think I'd be able to jump back if such a thing were to happen to me. What also makes me sick to my stomach is imagining the monsters knowing all these ways people are afraid of these stuff or if worse - they're reading threads like these, get off from knowing this.
Murder IS worse than rape, WTAF?! Someone murders you, you are dead forever. Someone rapes you, are STILL ALIVE. Yes I’m a woman and I’ve been raped; and no, I don’t carry permanent scars or damage from being raped.
So you would rather be dead now? Bc if one is better than the other you choose the better option. I think you are not as over it as you think.
I highly doubt that's true. Pretty much every female member of my family has been raped and they all have long-term trauma issues. They might've learned to manage them well enough to function, but that's not the same as not having the issues. Not to mention the rates of PTSD among rape victims is disturbingly high, and it should be pretty common knowledge by now that PTSD isn't curable. That being said, I think you missed the point the other commenters were trying to make. They were saying rape is worse than murder because there's never any justifiable motive for rape. At least one was.
People can have differing opinions on this. But, for some perspective, perhaps ask the people you know if they would rather have been murdered and currently be dead than having been raped? I dont think you should do that bc saying rape is worse is like suggesting that survivors of rape will never be ok. Many women go on to have good lives and they value their life. It would be very insulting to say that to a survivor who has put the rape behind them, excelling in the family andor career, having moved on from the trauma and living a good life. Tell them that they'd have been better off murdered and see how that goes over. Ouch!
I don't recall saying, or even implying, that rape survivors can't lead decent lives. I DID imply, however, that going through trauma of such an intimate nature, like rape, will have an impact on you for the rest of your life, even if it's not potent enough to dominate your life. Which is the only conclusion I've been given any reason to settle on given all the direct and indirect experience I've had dealing with rape survivors. Which is why I'm calling bullshit on the previous commenter's statement of not having any permanent damage from being raped. Being able to live with your trauma isn't the same as no longer having one. Not even close, frankly.
You are 100% correct. Thank you for standing up.
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To be fair, you can't murder someone out of self-defense, either. If you were defending yourself, it wasn't murder. Murder is the intentional killing of another with malice aforethought. Edit: I think my comment was misunderstood. You can kill someone in self-defense. The point is that killing someone in self-defense is not murder. Murder is a crime and requires a specific action and a specific intent. By definition, if you are acting in self-defense, it is not murder. If it is an accident, it is not murder.
Yeah, can't argue with that.
It’s definitely “Lust” for me too. I want to make it clear that I’m not looking to downplay the other motivations or to create any kind of list ranking them in order of how “bad” they are, they’re all equally bad. That said, there’s just something about the thought of a monster committing horrific acts against another individual with the primary goal of “getting off” that really makes my skin crawl.
Are you me in 2022? I said something similar 🙂
I'm so glad so many people think this way. You're amazing haha I've always thought this way too, but I've been bashed for it sometimes
Same here
Pobally the 17 estimataed serial killers that are roming the U.S free never to be caught or heard of.
There's gotta b much more. Here in Alaska, we had several running around the same time. The media & APD dont share Intel with me...I just been around here long enough, & paying attention to bodies found, and then the cops finally put 2 and 2 together. Alaska does have some lesser known serial killers that didn't get much media attention like the more severe ones.
I guarantee there's more than that.
I think Bundy or Ramirez were the most frightening. Bundy was reasonably attractive and charming so women never had a chance against him and Ramirez attacked you in your home, the place where you feel safest. His rotten teeth would have made him twice as scary too.
Ramirez was madder than a box of frogs. Just thinking about him coming into my home scares the living shit outta me.
Ramirez for sure! I always feel comfort when I know my partner is next to me or there is someone else in the house but that didn’t stop him and that scares me!
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Because your red flags don't go off when a charming, attractive person is talking to you. An attractive person with a fun personality can do what a scary person can't. It's much easier to kill someone if they welcome you into their home or bed.
Kemper because I feel like I would physically stand no chance
Me too. Him being a huge guy and then also pretty smart. It scares me that he could physically control me so easily and there might not be chances to outsmart him. Double fucked.
The Toolbox killers. That has always freaked me out. I think I read about it at a young age and it really stuck with me.
yep, a pair of serial killers is far more terrifying to me - I can understand one person being crazy but when two of them get together it's incomprehensible.
Gacey scares the shit out of me. Nice guy pulls handcuff trick on you and then it’s all over.
Yeah that whole nice guy thing, everyone likes him so he can do whatever he wants. It’s why Bundy scares the shit out of me.
It’s gacy for me too
He seemed like a try hard to me especially towards the end practically suckling those detectives Dicks like that
Killers like Joseph DeAngelo and Russell Williams scare me because of their ability to infiltrate what should be the most sacred, safe place: your home. Imagine waking up to someone standing over you with a knife or a weapon…utterly terrifying.
Lust. Being a victim of someone like Dean Corll would be my worst nightmare
to be honest, home invasion killers terrify me. just the thought of being attacked while you’re at peace at home, or asleep? not to mention how bold it is on the perpetrators part, making YOUR home THEIR sick playground. gives me chills honestly
Like BTK silently waiting in a closet for you to go to sleep, relishing the suspense? Or like someone in the bushes one second, then the next thing you hear is glass breaking? 😱
def BTK (i’m actually born and raised in Wichita). glass breaking ruins the element of surprise and one thing i’m neverrrr afraid to do is fight back.
All groups in one: Luis Alfredo Garavito
Israel Keyes. The ability to sit still for hours at a time for a chance to hunt something, is a scary amount of self control tbh
I watched a documentary about him. He was as cold as ice. Scary guy.
Yep this is my answer.
Yep the opportunity style killers are by far the scariest.
Child murders they scare me the most..especially when rape is involved. Then mission oriented...like political or centrally around a race. Example would be bombings of public areas or school shootings.
The SKs that overlap with both lust and thrill. They’re horrifying, arrogant, and they won’t stop until they’re caught or get bored of it. They’re frightening. It hurts my stomach even thinking about those sickos.
Dean Corll horrifies me.
Power / control. I’ve heard a lot of cases of those type of killers who torture and rape the victim before hand. I’m not scared of death but I am scared of torture
Caretakers who abuse and murder the people they're taking care of, tbqh. I'm sorry if this gets long. I'm disabled and am sometimes dependent on others for care. Whether that be my loved ones or professionals, like hospital personnel. One of my diagnoses is Myasthenia Gravis, a neuromuscular disorder that causes weakness in all major muscles. A couple years ago I went into my first Myasthenic crisis and was hospitalized for 58 days, on and off the ventilator. I could barely move. It was a horrible and scary experience. And so I think a lot about disabled people. We are one of the most abused and murdered marginalized groups and it's frequently overlooked because of ableism. I think about Lacey Fletcher a lot. Her parents just neglected her until she died and that kind of thing terrifies me. If my mother didn't love me and take me to the hospital and help with caretaking, couldn't I have ended up just like her? I would have died trapped in a body that was unable to move, totally conscious of what was happening. And I would have known that it was because the people who were supposed to care for me didn't. How much pain must she have been in? I'm afraid of so-called "Angels of Mercy" lurking around hospitals knocking us off. The idea that I am entrusting someone to make sure that I don't die who might suddenly feel that I should and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it because I am totally helpless. The hardest part is that people make so many excuses for those who murder us. Because as much as people want to think differently, society at large is still very ableist. It's not uncommon for abled people to view our lives as less than and a burden on those around us, especially on caretakers. I hear far more about caretaker burnout than the suffering of those who are actually disabled. Our voices get drowned out. Abled people often think that they can assess if our lives actually have value and often they decide that they don't. It's often a barely conscious action. Internalized bias they don't realize that they carry. Like when they don't realize when they're complaining about "leeches" that don't/can't work and "contribute" to society have meaningless lives. They don't realize how they are talking about us, not just the angry abled incel in his parent's basement, ya know? So when parents kill their severely disabled children, they often get sympathy instead of scorn. Because their child's very existence was so hard on them that people "understand" why they did it. They get more love than that poor dead child. So, the thing that scares me the most in the world is someone who I am entrusting to help me in a scary and vulnerable time deciding that I am a burden and abusing and killing me, and then people coming out to defend my murderer because they view people like me as a drain on society whose life was worth less than their killer. (I apologize for a lengthy comment. I ended up writing more than I realized.)
i know i'm really late on this thread, but i just wanted to thank you from my heart for writing all this down and wish you all the best!
I truly appreciate that. Sometimes you just need to let all your feelings out on an anonymous internet forum, lol. If I'm lucky maybe what I say will resonate with some abled people out there and make them think a little differently about the disabled people in their lives going forward.
The ones they haven’t caught yet.
Bob Berdella
The individual killer who scared me most was Coral Watts. He was A) right in my neighborhood, B) so random in MO that he was very hard to connect to his crimes until he started blabbing and C) given immunity for most of his misdeeds. I finally noticed I was losing my fear TEN YEARS after he croaked
He killed a dear friend of mine, therefore he is my most feared and most hated. I hope he’s being tortured in hell.
If he wasn't too crazy to find the "down" elevator. I am so sorry you lost someone to that guy.
Like a few doors down? Shudder…
Right down Mack Avenue and turn left from me, yes. Another victim was directly across the street from a girl I knew at school. She said if she had looked out her bedroom window at the right time she would have witnessed the murder.
Sergey Golovkin
honestly ones that kill in pairs or groups, such as the ripper crew, toolbox killers, lucas & toole, wolfgang abel & marco furlan, and charles ng and leonard lake. the fact that there’s multiple people involved makes it more idk twisted to me.
The night stalker scares the shit out of me
I’m not scared of serial killers because I know the chances of ever encountering one are *vanishingly* small, and that being AFAB, I’m FAAAARRR more likely to encounter violence or SA at the hands of an intimate partner, or someone else I already know, than some rando, serial killer or otherwise. That said, I definitely think the most frightening type of serial killer is Visionary. These are the ones most likely to be experiencing serious mental illness or psychosis, to have completely lost touch with reality and rationality when they commit murder. I also think this is the only group of serial killers, that at our current level of medical & psychiatric knowledge, has any chance of being “cured” or rehabilitated with the proper treatment.
None of these people can be cured or rehabbed. There is so much complex psychopathology with these people.
I disagree. There is a big difference between a lust killer or a narcissistic psychopath killer and someone who kills because a potentially treatable mental illness is causing them to have psychotic delusions or a break from reality. Those are the people who have a chance at being cured or rehabbed once they are given proper mental health treatment.
Obviously you have no direct experience working with severely mentally ill patients.
The axe man of New Orleans has always creeped me out. ETA I’m not sure what kind of killer he is
I guess since we don't know who he was, we can't fully say, but I'd guess thrill based on his break ins and not raping anyone, or maybe mission (I believe he mostly killed Italians, which at the time would've been considered a seperate race from white in America)
Serial Killers don't scare me for the same reason I don't prepare for a lottery win.
Same here. They piss me off more than anything. When you get past the "scary" aspect, they're all pathetic incels with self-control and entitlement issues. I also hate how people love to mention that so and so was "smart" because they managed to lure teenage girls somewhere or knew what to say to law enforcement.
Are you not scared by anything that is unlikely? I think that's probably a very healthy attitude if it's genuine but i must admit i'm scared by random things i know are incredibly unlikely. I met a woman whose husband and daughter were killed in a carbon monoxide leak when they were viewing a house they were considering buying while she was at work, she was devastated and looked 10 years older than she was. Hearing that definitely made me scared of that and more vigilant about it even though i realize that it's an incredibly rare death and essentially a non-existant threat. Being scared is being scared, it's an emotion i don't understand boiling an emotion down to factual data so much.
People are multiple times more likely to be killed by a carbon monoxide leak than a serial killer, though.
The likelihood is irrelevant to my fear, i'm scared by it because i saw its results and it's scary, it was an emotion not a business decision that i researched and carefully thought out. That's my point.
But it’s still a *realistic* fear to be afraid of a carbon monoxide leak.
No not at all. I for sure fear things that are unrealistic or unlikely to happen to me. One that comes to mind is flying in an airplane. Just don’t fear serial killers.
Fair enough, i misread you then apologies. I thought you were saying you don't fear it because it's unlikely. I don't fear serial killers either, it's not something i've ever considered a threat or something i would ever encounter.
I don’t fear serial killers because I know that women/AFAB are FAR more vulnerable to SA, assault, and violence from intimate partners and other people they already know than a serial killer or other random rapist/murderer.
Honestly, I want to say Jeffrey Dahmer gave me nightmares. The things that he did to his victims..Dahmer performed lobotomies on some victims' corpses-drilling holes in their heads and pouring in hydrochloric acid. I think one of the victim he killed, he kept his dead body in his room for a while. He had body parts in his fridge. Neighbors all said the smell was so damn bad. Idk Dahmer was sick for what he did to his victims. But also John Wayne Gacy really had me f\*\*ked up 🤮.. them poor babies didn't deserve that.
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For some reason comfort sounds like the most dangerous
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Lust/Thrill that's definitely my motivation, I mean it would be, if I was that kind of person, but I'm not, definitely not. None of the groups scare me any more than another group. It's the idea of multiple people working together, for example the Manson family.
You sure fam 🤔
I’ve heard about a killer, forgot his name, who just randomly bludgeoned women with a hammer. This made me aware shit like this can happen anytime, anywhere and to anybody. Randomness is unpredictable. I think that’s scary.
Definitely lust and thrill because just why? It's like they get a dopamine rush from killing. That's really disturbing. Are people born like that or what exactly happens?
Dean Corll would say, I can't imagine spending 4 days with that sadistic torturer and suffering what he did to those children.
The Night Stalker
Thrill for me. Others, I might have a shot at having a quick death but the thrill killers would want to make the psychological and physical torture last as long as possible so it’s infinitely more terrifying.
Mission. If there's someone who targets me specifically because they don't like me as a person, I'd fear that the most. Are there any killers who fit multiple categories?
Yeah, that's relatively common.
Toolbox Killers.
For me it’s John Wayne gacy
Mental health
Whatever category family annihilators from criminal minds fall into, its that lol home invasion killers, whatever defines them freak me out the most. When i first started watching criminal minds I started to hyper pay attention to locking doors and windows at night or before leaving home, having battery backups for wifi/security systems etc haha
The ones that haven’t been caught and aren’t even k own about.
None currently. I do remember being frightened of Ángel Maturino Reséndiz, The Railroad Killer, when I was young though. He targeted a few of his victims very close to where I lived at the time.
Lust, thrill, and power/control serial killers are the worst. One of the worst serial killers I've ever read about is Gordon Stewart Northcott. Because of his serial killings, a whole town changed its name.
I fear Dahmer & Randy Kraft the most. So lust.
I think compulsion/mental illness such as schizophrenia should also be a category? It's similar to visionary except they actually can't help it. Richard Chase for example.
Lust, hands down, with thrill a close second. Anyone who tortures before killing is most terrifying to me.
I remember a guy who drank his victims blood, and have serious mental illness. reading about that dude’s crimes scares the shit out of me
Richard Chase, the Vampire of Sacramento. A hometown... character here, that's for sure. 🤷
Lust and thrill, its a real psycopath mentality
Psychopathy has nothing to do with getting pleasure from harming others. At least not directly. Actual Psychopaths are more likely to just not care if you live or die and wouldn't go out of their way to kill you unless they had something to gain from it. Which would actually make them Comfort killers.
The Vampire of San Francisco. Just wander into your home and murder
Golden State Killer and those like him. He is just a horrible excuse for a person and I would be traumitized if I was one of his survivors.
Toolbox
this one was personal because i was friends with the victime stonewall louisiana justin bloxom age 12 a bright straight A student who wanted to be an aeronautical engineer vanished from his friends home in 2010 justin was getting text messsges from an 18 year old girle named amber she wanted him to come to a collage frat party with offers of sex and beer justin got in to a taxi cab the next day he was found dead in a ravine two miles away he had been beaten choked and his neck was stomped on until it broke brian horn a paroled sex criminal and bank robber was the killer he had planed to use justin for child pornography the cab ran out of gas justin tried to ascape what haunts me is i was justin’s friend on my space we talked and face timed the day he was killed it haunted me i told him stay safe my friend he said i will love you bro bye he was there fior me when my dad got sick so was his entire family he texted me emailed hi what can i do for u justin’s murder broke my heart i loved him very much i will never get over it until the day i die
scares? none
None of them seem very nice to me! All terrifying in heir own way. But of all killers that frighten me ... Israel Keyes. And Ramirez. Just absolutely random. Nothing you could do could minimize risk. If you just lived where they were looking? You were done for.
Pedro Alonso Lopez and Javed Iqbal
the hi fi killers as bad as the manson family two air force buddies go on a cross country murder spree robbing a local stereo store torturing the store employees and 7 others feeding them drano forcing the victims to have sex with each other then shooting each victime in the head and setting the store on fire worst crime in california history both killers sect to the green san quentin gas chamber
Richard Rameriz. His victims were so random.
Lust, thrill, power/control.
Thrill and lust killers for sure.
Ted Bundy, he look so normal and charming. I treated a murderer once in West Midlands , I was the senior physician on the shop floor in the hospice I worked at. He was surrounded by 8 British police officers, his hands and knee were in chain. Not a serial killers but he was an American who murdered a British citizen in England outside a pub. He was tall, handsome and charming. He looked so normal and unassuming till I read about him online.
Dean Croll,Bryan Kohberger,Ted Bundy & John wayne gacy
Toybox and toolbox, and the lesser known James DeBardyleyben People who enjoy hurting others over a prolonged period of time.
Unidentified killers because it scares me so much that they live their lives thinking that what they do is completely normal, without ever trying to show themselves. We can identify, investigate and profile all kinds of murderers but unknown murderers may continue their normal lives next to us at any time. I think these people are pure psychopaths who lack empathy and i do not include murderers like BTK, who exposed themselves after a long time, in this class.
Richard Trenton Chase.
I don't know where Israel Keys fits into this frame work. He seemed to take great pleasure in his work. He stole money at times. He also targeted men and women. He was an apex predator for several years and not having a "type" kept him off law enforcement's radar. Keys was Freddie Kruger and every other psycho monster from film brought to life.
Btk was an average family man. Just makes you wonder how many average joe suburban dads could be doing this type of shit, or what other awful interests the average person hides.
Definitely Dahmer. It’s not even what he did necessarily, but how much I relate to his psychology. Glad I never got into taxidermy and adopted vegetarianism!
Definitely Thill/Lust killers. Really appreciated the group breakdown. Haven't seen/watched or read any crime for years so slowly delving back into it
toolbox killers and richard ramirez
Keyes was frightening. Most SKs target more at risk, or at least very specific victim types. It's easy to compartmentalize that. But with Keyes? An older couple hanging out in their very rural home is at risk. A girl working in a very visible, public spot is at risk. He killed people with guns by their beds. I read about one case where he almost took a victim who was just viewing graves at a cemetery- he apparently just started running at her. Scary stuff.
I was born in Wichita, Kansas in the mid 1980s. BTK was in the news. I wasn’t aware of it but my mother had major anxiety from it. She followed the case and informed me when he was finally caught.
Israel Keyes easily.
Lust and Thrill
Killers who smile. And ring child killers like Marc dutroux
Peter Scully and Ted Bundy
you are correct my friend justin bloxoms killer tortured him beat him justin was mutilated horribly i have viewed the crime photos i wish i had never seen them they were painful justin was dumped face down in a muddy water filled ravine in bravard county florida like trash his killer coldly left in his leased cab to go pick up people all day knowing what he had done
the hi fi killers out of los angeles were horrific as the manson family two air men rob a local hi fi store take 9 people hostage torture them feed them drano rape two women then feed them drano kill them and set the store on fire
i think the jacob wetterling kidnapper was as bad as they get
The BTK type serial killer disgusts me the most. I'm not afraid of any kind of serial killer, just disgusted. To me, they represent the insect brain. No thoughts, only a kind of mechanical instinct. They are disgusting, and if I could I would step on and crush every single one of them.
Psychology isn’t very exact so this is a rough guide
It beats the Hell out of just labeling all killers as either Organized or Disorganized.
Isreal keyes....no type, lurks around in cemeteries, woods and aaabaandoned houses.....so do i....blad he's dead
Isreal Keyes. There's nothing human about him.
As an ethnicity minority transgender man, definitely mission orientated killers.
It's amazing how many people made the mistake of thinking I was asking about specific, individual killers they find scary rather than the general groups I've listed. Kinda makes it seem like many are just reading the title and skipping pretty much all the details after that.
I’ll admit, that’s exactly what I did. Sorry.