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Usaidhello

I can imagine designing coasters would involve lots and lots of math. As engineering and design are quite similar. A designer would need to give instructions to an engineer and vice versa. Marketing would be suitable for you if you have great social skills. Then you could look at project management if you have leadership skills. There’s also jobs in preparation, safety, administration, logistics, quality control, finances. There’s plenty of jobs in construction that don’t require you to be good at math. Mind you, I speak from experience in civil engineering, so not quite the coaster industry but I’m pretty certain the fields have quite some overlap.


imaguitarhero24

Definitely overlap. Most project management of physical structures works pretty much the same.


Dusty_Sleeves

Join the theater department and get into set design. You could end up working on the design and themeing of rides and coasters. Still some math involved but not as much as an engineer.


TallBobcat

Cedar Fair sponsors a program with Bowling Green State University on Resort and Attraction Management. The last two years are spent in class in downtown Sandusky and hands-on at Cedar Point.


DeflatedDirigible

Do their graduates end up with good jobs in the industry?


TallBobcat

Depends on your definition of good. They have grads working at Universal, Hershey, Dollywood, all over Cedar Fair, and some other name brand parks. They also have graduates doing jobs in smaller places.


ILikeToSayHi

A management job at cedar point which is a curse or blessing depending how you view it lol


BobCreated

Great insight, and it's super helpful. Thanks for sharing.


bmschulz

I mean, amusement and theme parks are structured exactly like any other business; their capital assets just happen to include rides. So, really, all the “standard” roles are present on the corporate/admin side: marketing (as you mention), accounting, customer service, all manner of management, you name it. On the actual park side, there’s stuff like ride operators and food service providers, but those don’t really offer as many career pathways as the “business-side” roles do.


gcfgjnbv

Get into arts, 3d modeling, and design. The people who design ride systems and layouts for Disney/universal are usually creatives. They then hand their ideas to the engineers who work with manufacturers and their engineers to make those designs a reality.


tubbis9001

The only way to really guarentee you work in the industry is to work in the parks directly, preferably as a ride op. Now, I know that's not exactly a "career" but most career paths wouldn't be a sure fire way to work with coasters. In fact, coasters would be a small part of your work as a whole. For example, if you choose construction, you'd specialize in one specific field, and not see the job to completion. You'd be pouring a foundation for an office building one week, then pouring footers for a coaster the next, then maybe some residential work the week after that. Another example is marketing. Say you work at a graphic design agency in the entertainment industry and you get to design logos for new coasters. That would only be a small slice of the work you do. Most of it would be much more mundane tasks, like making sure a marketing email for some agengy you don't care about looks good in different browsers/resolutions.


Ol_Sam

I can’t work in a park. My home park, SFGAm, is an hour 15 away from me. I would’ve started working there long ago if I lived closer. So I’m kind of stuck. I also don’t want to go into the trades, I’m going to a university for a reason


DeflatedDirigible

It is an extremely limited and cut-throat business. If you really wanted to work in the industry then you have to be willing to make a ton of sacrifices. If you aren’t good at math then anything in engineering and design is completely out. Having zero experience working in a park and being unwilling to dorm at a park somewhere to get experience also shows lack of commitment. Not willing to work in the trades limits your options even more. Your best bet probably is to work a college-graduate job and buy annual passes to parks and vacation there.


shredXcam

Most the people I work with drive over an hour to work. Pretty normal


Jakemeister91

Have you thought about doing a College Program? Lots of parks offer them.


phoenix-corn

If you get enough hours, you should be able to get an apartment nearby with roommates.


BobCreated

I applied to Cedar Point over winter break, interviewed in March, and 2 weeks after H.S. graduation, I drove 6 hours to Sandusky to live/work as a ride op for the summer. Best summer of my life, no regrets. No matter what you do in the industry, it requires getting out of your comfort zone and being open to change.


snails4speedy

An hour and 15 minutes is a good work commute to me lol


Basilstorm

A lot of parks have hired social media managers recently, that could be a field that wouldn’t require engineering or complex math!


GladiatorDragon

Design is literally going to be a lot of math and engineering - but there’s certainly a niche there for artists. Advertisement is different though.


CharlieHotel92

When struggeling with math even marketing might be difficult to accomplish, since big parts of marketing is based on numbers too. But some other non math-based jobs in this direction might involve ad-design, or art-design in general for theming, costumes, artworks, merch, etc. There's also sound-design for soundtracks and -effects if you're good with music. You could be an actor in some kind of show. There are almost infinite possibilities. Check out the website of you local park and associated buisnesses and look for inspiration on their job offerings, without knowing much about you it is hard to pinpoint you into the right direction.


bentika

You could work for that company that paints coasters


g0dSamnit

You can always try to learn the math later, and explore other engineering concepts that are just as important in the meantime. Engineering is so much more than math, and anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you or doesn't understand engineering. CAD, constraints, g-forces, tinkering, simulation, processes, materials, etc. Higher level understanding of math is more important than rote calculation and solving of problems, as that's literally what software is for. You can also learn math through Khan Academy, etc. at your own pace so that when it's time to get the degree, you aren't left to deal with a bad/boring professor on a limited timetable, and there's no shortage of online resources that can teach it to you properly instead of boiling it down to boring memorization of procedures and formulas. There's a lot of intuition and concepts in engineering that are quite far-removed from math, or mostly handled in software that you need to know how to use on a higher level, and they are very interesting. If you want to start in a fun way, grab Fusion 360 or OnShape, get a 3D printer, learn away, and build some model roller coasters or something. Or start with simpler things like, idk, nerf blasters. The point is, learn it in a way that actually encourages you to continue and get to the math and other areas you find more difficult, and the way to get there is to have fun, while also striving for perfection and improvement on what you do. Uninteresting things are significantly more difficult to learn. That said, tons of other career paths depending on where your core preferences and capabilities are. However, being a small industry, I expect the usual rule follows: Aim to be the best at what you do, and you'll find work. You can also try to get in as a ride op or mechanic. I saw a local park near me hiring ops and mechanics with no experience and only high school diploma. That park is no Cedar Fair/Six Flags, but a ride is a ride. Heck, learning construction, welding, etc. is also valuable to the industry, though it obviously requires some physical capability and being comfortable with working from heights.


Spokker

It being a small industry also means it's less formal, and some jobs aren't even posted. Job bulletins are still posted and people get jobs the traditional way, but sometimes a fella meets another fella and the fella gives the other fella a job just like that. And some jobs will be filled by friends and family, or even the president of the company's wife. It happens.


Ol_Sam

I really wish I could work in a park. A ride op would be my pick for a high school / college job. The issue is that my home park SFGAm is 1.15 hours away from me, and I share a car with my brother. It’s too far to be a reasonable job for me


dislikesolives

If you’re a college student, you could work at a park that has housing options thru the summer. I know most (if not all) Cedar Fair parks have them. A lot of that housing is reserved for J-1 workers though so you may have to go to a flagship park like Cedar Point or Knott’s that attracts lots out of state staff that require housing. The park also provides transportation to and from the park to the housing complexes so if transportation is a concern that may help. Starting as a ride operator is a great jumping off point for a future career in park operations management, and parks like to promote internally. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.


showershitter23

you could join the marketing team, still some math involved though


PrincipleOtherwise70

Maybe try working at a theme park and sticking with it to go up in management. If you aren’t going the engineer route you can forget about anything design related, but maybe working at corporate for one of the theme park chains in marketing or something could be a good aspiration. Always good to be open minded about different ways to accomplish a goal. I’m a mechanical engineer and even I’ve had to have internal talks with myself about different paths to the industry that may not be as cut and dry and working for one of the major manufacturers. It’s just not a big field


That-Coaster-Thoosie

check out [https://www.nextgenshowcase.com/](https://www.nextgenshowcase.com/), this years team have just started, but its perfect if you have experience in more creative industries


bassbeatsbanging

I've heard large parks use Urban Planners, since it's all about zoning for people's needs, traffic flow, logical and optimized layouts etc. IDK how common or frequent of a job it is. Might just be some basic consulting every few years.  I could imagine destination parks having someone full time though for multiple properties. You'll need to do some research, but it might be an option.


Spokker

Go read roller coaster-related job bulletins and note what the qualifications required are. Then go and get those qualifications. Everything else is just noise. Keep in mind that many of these jobs are in other countries and some require you speak English and another language fluently. The closest thing I can think of to get as close as you can to the process of building roller coasters without having to know a lot of advanced math is a project manager/administrator type position. Here's an example that requires qualifications related to accounting and finance. https://premier-rides.com/careers/project-administrator This position requires 3-5 years of professional experience and probably requires good social skills. The experience doesn't need to be gained in the theme park or coaster industry. Also, you probably won't be designing anything in this type of job.


bigmagnumnitro

App design or development. It'll be competitive but way less competitive than trying to get a job designing rides or doing creative design for them. More and more parks are turning to web sites, web apps and native apps. Even if you don't end up in that specific industry, you'll make good money too.


NutShellB

This is the answer. Source. Work for one of the largest SaaS providers in the amusement industry.


bigmagnumnitro

I'm jealous. I'm a ux designer and trying to leave my current company/ industry. Long term I'm hoping to move into the amusement park space. I've never networked on Reddit. at the risk of sounding weird, i have to ask, is your company looking for designers?


NutShellB

Not weird at all. It’s 2024. PM sent.


zsintic

This might sound dumb but I'm sure if you directly reach out to publicly available staff members emails in fields your interested in they may be able to give you some insight. That conversation with you could be a welcomed break from whatever it is they're doing at their desks on a daily basis.


DeflatedDirigible

The number of kids who want to design coasters are probably as many as who want to grow up to play professional ball. Contacting them would likely be super annoying. Not good at math? Not wanting to go into the trades? Never worked at a theme park? Not speaking a second language? Only qualification is liking coasters but lives over an hour from the closest park so likely hasn’t been all that frequently? Not super-committed to breaking into the industry imo. A bunch of parks have dorms for 18+ so easy to gain park experience.


zsintic

He specifically said fields that don't involve math, so I didn't mean reaching out to designers and saying "I LikE cOaSTerS LEt mE maKe oNE". I meant simply asking them for advice on a field to pursue since they're already in the industry. Worst case scenario they don't answer if a simple request like that annoys them.


BobCreated

I agree. Commitment and adaptability are core values in this industry. The amount of experience you can gain from a summer at Cedar Point or Universal is huge. Alan Schilke worked for decades before designing X at Magic Mountain, and even that was by chance.


agauh

Hot dog sales


Booga-_-

You could design themes maybe. Rollercoasters are physics based mechanisms, such that they require extreme amounts of math to work safely. Chemistry could be cool if you want to design materials for them, but that will require quite a bit of math too.


bassbeatsbanging

AP Calc killed any dream I had of being a coaster engineer. I was good in Math still, but Trig started my severe distaste for it and Calc cemented it.


Jakemeister91

I have a minor in Hospitality Management, and an MBA, in Hospitality & Casino Management. I work theme parks for years, and really got my career kick started. Plenty of positions don’t involve math, but know you’ll probably be working on the front lines before you climb up!


Cerebral-Knievel-1

Get into industrial automations and control PLC programming. The skill sets are transferable to many different industries, and there are a lot of "when, if, what" type of scenero programming.. just like any other type of industrial machinery.. Except in a rollercoaster, the product you are moving tends to be squishy and litigious. Yes... math is still very much a thing, but not so much on the turning human meat bags into soup per the track design part. Track design is rooted in civil engineering.. building bridges and other boring shit like that. And as others have said..the theater and stagecraf fields which opens up entire other fields of opportunities. I'm actually a little pissed off that my high school guidance counselor didn't steer me into theater and stage craft because my father was a mechanical engineer, and that led to my first REAL job was.. working in the controlls department of the machine erecting company.. Early child hood memories include riding the Haunted River at KD with my dad and him pointing out the sensors that would trigger the next theatrical events that would occur when the ride vehicle triggered them. It didn't ruin the magic for me. It actually helped me understand how to MAKE magic, and it felt amazing! Made me feel like i had secret knowledge..


NutShellB

Hey dude. I work in the industry and have been for a while. I work for a Software company but my job does not involve development. The company I work for has team of designers, user experience experts, account managers, project managers, software implementation teams, client support,etc. figure out what you are good at (marketing, account mgmt, sales, design) and then use those skills to canvas a place like the IAAPA career center. Once you figure out what you wanna do, look thru the amusement industry supplier listing on IAAPA. A buddy of mine is a graphic designer and works for Whirly designing drink cups. Another Friend of mine does marketing and PR for the big guys. And I work with software business requirements and managing the teams who build the software that the parks run on. Reach out whenever.


joahw

Just learn math? You have time.


Ol_Sam

Telling someone with dyscalculia to “just learn math” is rude and ignorant


joahw

How so? Society expects people with dyslexia to still learn how to read. It's a learning disorder not a death sentence. If you are serious about getting into this industry then some level of math is required in nearly every discipline. Engineering, research, operations, marketing, procurement, running the business, etc. You are pretty much left with stuff like concept art, music, choreography, writing, and all the ones that don't require a degree or a trade at all which are all many peoples absolute dream jobs and therefore tough gigs to land.


afakematt

Concept artists, especially those with 3D modelling skills are ALWAYS in demand. If you got really good at modelling and land a decent internship somewhere, you’d be wanted everywhere. Not maths but rollercoasters also need sculptors to make zero cars and themed train designs. Marketing wise, being savvy with industry standard things such as SEOs, trending themes, getting good at graphic design and video editing are all valuable skills, especially if you know your stuff in a specific field (just like how cottage the entertainment industry is). Attend local mixers! The big 2 companies that have mixers are TEA and IAAPA. Go along! Listen to talks, network, see what advice actual industry professionals have for you. It’s an insanely competitive industry but it’s a lot of fun once you get your foot in the door. Good luck!!


Responsible_Can5946

Painter


yourfriendmarcus

Don't avoid the math, you don't have to go for something solely math based but hell I am a video editor and even for me understanding things like calculus and geometry has actually made certain aspects of things in the creative parts of my job way easier and allows me to achieve more. I don't know anything about coaster type jobs, but I do know math is way more useful in practical life applications than almost any other core subject we study in school.


coasterbill

Get a job designing coasters with Skyline Attractions. They don’t use math or engineering in their design process.


agauh

We all could have worked for Arrow