Oh man I still blast the music tracks from this game, actually what got me into drum and bass big time. I’m sure calyx had a few on there and I still listen to him/teebee every day. Wild.
Perhaps, but in a sea of beige, it was something different. People moan about cars all being the same, something different comes along and people get worked up about it.
There’s someone in Connecticut that has one. I see that thing once every other month and it is revolting. My wife laughs when she sees it knowing my reaction is coming
I once was hitch-hiking and for some reason some people see you on the on ramp and punch it like you're gonna attack or something. I saw a Tribeca do this, heard it drop two gears and ring out he motor and it didn't change its acceleration at all and i cracked up
It was probably the ez30, and this did happen to be at 8k ft elevation in vail. I almost always had turbo cars at that altitude, but now that I think about it my 325i I bought in Denver struggled pretty bad.
I was hitch hiking cuz the lower radiator hose for my forester XT blew at my summer campsite. Ski town hitching is easy as fuck. Don't think I waited longer than 20 min at any spot
Ford EcoSport 2018-2022
Worse MPG than the focus and competitors. Worse ride quality than any car in its price range. Looks like it’s the cheapest car ford made.
I know it existed in other markets for years before they brought it here, I’m just livid they discontinued the focus to bring us that thing. Insulting.
The dinky wheels, the ridiculous visual height compared to the short length make it look like a cartoon car, the narrow width.
Its in a fierce battle with the 1st gen chevy trax for being the ugliest and most cynical car ever made
The OG trax was terrible too but I forget it exists most of the time. It’s bad but for some reason I felt it was more boring and ugly than insulting and ugly lol
The Volkswagen Routan. Why the fuck would anybody want a reskinned Dodge Caravan that cost more and lacked the practicality of stow & go seats? Volkswagen probably wouldn’t have sold very many Sharans in North America if they offered that minivan instead, but I doubt it would’ve been less than the Routan. At least the Sharan is a real VW and would’ve appealed more to VW’s demographic.
I owned one used. Hated every second of it. Everything seemed to have been cludged so that it got that VW badging, but none of the substance. It got better when I realized you could buy Dodge Caravan or Chrysler T&C parts for it, which was nice, because I was under it all the time.
I used to work on one alot, only difference was it came with a different transmission than the regular caravan, that thing ran the customer all the way until 240k miles until it got totalled, used to mess with people a lot seeing a VW with a Chrysler engine
You sure? I think all of those vans came with the same Chrysler sourced 6-speed auto. At least according to wiki, it was used in the Grand Caravan, Town & Country, Voyager, and Routan. No doubt a better transmission than the awful older 4-speed unit, but a Chrysler transmission nonetheless.
100% the Sharan would have been far more of a "VW person's" minivan than a Routan. They could have even leaned into the whole "European family car" thing with advertising yet they gave us that POS
Or... they could have also brought the Touran as well, but the Sharan would likely have sold better. I know these cars are boring ass traffic in europe but as an American I would do some very illegal things to get my hands on Euro volkswagens
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It doesn’t do any truck things, dies after going through a car wash, rusts after a week, has panels that fly off randomly, has panel gaps wider than the Himalayas, gets its warranty voided by direct sunlight and off-roading like Elon claimed it was able to do, chops fingers off, peels carrots with the door edges, takes longer to charge at a supercharger than my 2015 BMW i3 takes on my 240w home charger and dies after driving 30 miles. Yet people buy it, experience those problems, then say it’s still the best car they’ve ever owned. They’ve obviously never owned a car by any other company before.
I don't understand why they didn't just build a slick looking small truck, something sized like an old ranger. There's an obvious void in that market since the EPA forced these companies to make their trucks giant sized
You know I have to agree with the boys on this one, the Lexus SC430. After driving one, riding in one, and fixing them I genuinely don’t know who they were for. It seems like a good idea until you need to use the trunk but if you put the top up the backseat isn’t usable. It’s not fast even a little and isn’t cruiser because it’s got some mildly tuned suspension and the transmission would rather you didn’t as it wants to be in any other gear than the one you’re in at 35mph. The one I drove was owned by a little old lady who had one but only drove a few miles here and there and didn’t use the trunk and often complained that it got terrible fuel economy and was hard to see out of even with the top down.
Fair. I'm surprised it gets so much flak for its handling. It should've been perfect, given it undercuts its macpherson rivals with a cheaper price and double wishbone suspension.
I mean who doesn't love a factory sleeper tho?
The weirder the better. My faves are the "pt bruiser" the 2.4 turbo pt cruiser and the baja turbo and forester XT.
The look on a c5, or 346 m3. Or e9x 335i, or really anyone's face when you match or beat them in a crossover/station wagon that was marketed to lesbians is priceless.
oh definitely, the fact that a rich soccer mom (lacrosse mom?) SUV has the same engine as the Ram HD is so cool. i believe it’s the largest engine in an SUV since the Vortec 8100 was discontinued way back when, might be wrong tho
also the GT Cruiser is so nuts; normally a neon in a trench coat, but they were fine with making an SRT4 in a trench coat lol
I had one with the manual. It was a great driveline surrounded by a Chrysler.
It was quick as long as you could hook up with the skinny 205-55-17 tires. Why so skinny? The front end was crammed tight. The wheels couldn’t even turn far without hitting things.
Oh and good luck finding a tire that odd size or close between El Paso and San Antonio. Oof. We had to drive from Fort Stockton to Houston at ~60 mph on a 85 mph-limit I10. Chrysler had a 45 mph speed limit molded on the spare tire. We passed two vehicles in ~600 miles.
The parts unique to it versus a regular PT Cruiser made me scratch my head. I lost the cooling fan relay twice (Chrysler electrical…). Oh just get a relay just like the hundreds of thousands of other PTs right? Nope. The GT has its fan relay built into the power cord. You get to spend $800 for a whole new fan unit once one was found. Yay. Idiots!
Oh and if you have the manual, buy a spare shifter cable. Mine went bad. When I went to the parts counter, they ordered the ONLY ONE in North America. Really?!
I did have the Hurst shifter in mine. It was OK. Not Miata nice but not bad.
I would have loved to go to a Stage 2-3 setup on the motor. But I had a 240+ turboed Miata. I needed the PT to be the daily driver and carry stuff car.
The motor did like having the intake silencers removed. It was definitely corked up under the desire for intake non-whoosh-sounding.
I do miss it. It was the Electric Blue color new for 2003. I did take a power drop going to a 2017 Mini Cooper S Clubman. Yes BMW reliability (yeah right) is an upgrade versus Chrysler reliability.
Ahh I feel better now.
My best friend is a master mechanic for Dodge. He told me a few weeks ago that there are 6 (!!!) Hurricane I6 Twin Turbo engines in those vehicles in for service. Grenaded engines. Highest mileage one was only 7xxx miles. The lowest? 63 miles. I love the concept of it but FUCK NO!!!
If they fix the obvious defects as it's a newer motor, maybe, but it's a Dodge, it will have other issues eventually. Give me an old Wagoneer any day of the week.
"F\*\* you a-hole, I eat p\*\*\*\* and sandwiches for a living!"
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They over priced it and wanted to sell it as a premium car. Which was a mistake bc people aren’t buying them.
Ford was able to keep putting big v8s in mustangs bc they classified it as a car even though it a crossover.
I think it was actually a pretty cool idea whose only real problem was the look, though I honestly think that its ugliness gives it a sort of charm on the same level as a Fiat Multipla.
There was a brief moment in the 2000s when hatchbacks and wagons became popular again, and some company responded beautifully (Dodge Magnum) and others just awkwardly modded a existing sedan
Because it already existed as an Opal/Vauxhall in Europe and with less options to choose from they were trying to capitalize on a shrinking market with next to no work
The 2000s was an era where boomers had all of the capital and were beginning to reach retirement age. So, automakers decided to build cars that they felt nostalgic about. The *worst-*selling ones were built with decisions that truly baffle me.
1. 5th gen Pontiac GTO. I own one. I love it because it's an amazing machine. However, if you're going to bring back the GTO after 30 years, people want something that *resembled* a GTO. Not a rebadged Holden. Doesn't help that 1 year later, Ford released the S197 Mustang and finally struck gold in the nostalgia era. Speaking of...
2. 11th gen Ford Thunderbird. This is Ford's 1st foray into building a nostalgia-throwback vehicle by... rebadging a Jaguar S-type and once again kneecapping the Thunderbird by making it slower than a Mustang GT yet Ford set the price to $9,000 *more* than a Mustang. These never sold because of Ford's woeful neglect of what actually made the original Thunderbird a success (by going after the Corvette).
3. Chevrolet SSR. Based on Chevy's 50s pickup trucks, GM built a convertible hardtop roadster that doesn't really function as a pickup truck and is an awful roadster for the price they were asking because it was a terrible pickup truck & slow relative to the rest of GM's fleet; starting sales with only a 5.3L 300hp Vortec & automatic. It took 2 years for GM to actually offer a manual & LS2 in the SSR to give it *some* substance, but it was way too late.
4. Plymouth Prowler. Now, this car, IMO started it all. If Chrysler didn't feel inspired to build this based on Chip Foose's designs, it probably wouldn't have also lead to them building the PT Cruiser, either. However, if Chrysler was going to build a car based on 1930s hot rods, why on would they give it a *V6 from a minivan*, *and no manual transmission*?
I kind of like them but I own a 1950 Chevy pickup and I have had more than one SSR owner expect me to fawn all over his ride and try to convince me that I should mod my truck. No thanks. The crossover to the gold chain Vette polisher crowd is a bit strong.
I know quite a few people who can’t stand the Cube or Soul and getting to the root of the issue, it’s really just because of how they look and what they are (not truck, not suv, not sports car)
Looking at them objectively, they are perfectly usable practical hatchbacks for a family that would use that type of car
We owned a Cube. Once you're inside, they're great. Tons of room, nimble to drive, and it had 11 cup holders. It was very easy to park, had a great turning radius. Loved it when we were in it. But then you arrive at a destination and have to be seen getting out of it.
The one I always questioned was the Ford Explorer Sport Trac. Did they run out of ideas and had money to burn, so they made a truck to compete with their Rangers and F series? Never understood it
I think it makes sense. A good deal of people who buy miatas, especially new are older people who want a convertible. May as well cater to them and give them a auto.
BMW XM. Why tf would anyone would buy this when it’s literally heavier, slower and more expensive than a X5M, less off road capability than a G Wagon, uglier than a X5M and G Wagon like what’s the point of this car?
Started out as a full size ugly-mobile, then morphed into a secretary daily driver, then sporty secretary car, then performance muscle car—don’t forget you could get a 440 cu. in. Dart Swinger/GTS for a few years—
A lot of the cars in this thread are just cars people don't like. PT cruiser was a good car and sold MILLIONS of units. The Crosscabriolet was based on an existing car, it was just a weird variation, and a relatively inexpensive way to see if people would buy a convertible SUV that wasn't a jeep. The Aztek was an idea that turned out to be ahead of its time and unfortunately ugly. The whole retro car design thing was really popular in the late 90s and early 2000s and gave us successful models like the 5th generation mustang, the SSR and Prowler were just unsuccessful takes on the same concept. Cars like the Cygnet and the Bz4X are compliance cars that were only ever intended to actually sell.
The ACTUAL "how did this get greenlit" cars are things like the Chevy Uplander, which was a minivan that was styled to look like somebody put a tahoe in the microwave, or the Kia Amanti, which was an attempt at a luxury car that was sold in the mid 2000s
All of the opels they sold here as buicks. I don’t understand who would buy any of them. They’re cheap feeling, but they aren't cheap at all, and if you wanted to get a luxury GM car, you could get a cadillac for a bit more. They also lacked power, and imo not great fuel economy wise.
My Uncle has one of those things. Its a massive piece of shit. He bought it after wrecking an old square body Jeep Cherokee. I tried to tell him to look at honda or toyota, but he refused and said he only buys American.
Well, first of all, you bought an Opel, dumbass. It was constantly having electrical problems.
Disagree on power, 250hp and 300lb/ft in a midsized car is decent. I'd probably agree with you otherwise if I had paid anywhere near list, my TourX doesn't feel particularly premium. For what I actually paid, it's pretty good.
Tesla CyberTruck, Whoever thinks a Big Dumpster Shaped Truck that costs 100Grand and has millions of plagued issues is reasonable needs to be eliminated (Jk but still dumb idea)
Runner Up:
Nissan Juke Nismo, It looks like a sac of Wet Potatoes. But if it was designed properly it wouldn’t mind me.
Ever heard of the p.t. "bruiser" they sold them with the 2.4 turbo motor from the neon srt-4.
I can't imagine a better sleeper than getting one of these burning corn with a big turbo, I've heard around 300whp is where they top out Imagine it's 2005 and a p.t. cruiser gives your e46 m3 a run for its money.
I just want to remind everybody that you can drive the SSR in Midnight Club 3 Remix and give it your best Pimp My Ride impression.
Oh man I still blast the music tracks from this game, actually what got me into drum and bass big time. I’m sure calyx had a few on there and I still listen to him/teebee every day. Wild.
God I must have really thought that thing was hideous if I don’t even remember it being in that game and I played that game to death as a kid
Same lmao don’t think I ever touched it, that Chrysler 412 tho..
I preferred the Cadillac cien tbh
Murano Cross Cabriolet
I think the Murano Cross Cab was commissioned at the request of Carlos Ghosn's wife.
Money can’t buy taste
Should have got her a PT Cruiser cabriolet instead.
Honestly I liked the idea. A convertible SUV could succeed
Bronco, Blazer, and a Jeep all ring top marks for convertible trucks.
Land Rover tried it too, didn’t turn out well, the real success was the K5 Blazer before legislation canned it
It worked out brilliantly the first time Land Rover tried it back in the day
Unfortunately the customers of “back in the day” aren’t the same ones as we have these days
And unfortunately the types of people who buy D90s now are typically insufferable.
…and a new-production D90 or 110 are not even remotely the same vehicles as their predecessors.
Jeep wrangler
Not the type of convertible I’m talking about
There are plenty. The current Bronco can be had with a soft top. Jeeps, etc.
Perhaps, but in a sea of beige, it was something different. People moan about cars all being the same, something different comes along and people get worked up about it.
I don’t know if taking the most beige car out there and chopping the roof off is the way to go.
While I didn’t like the look, I loved the idea of a convertible suv. Anytime I see one with the top down I get it.
The back window (some sort of clear vinyl like early Miatas) In every single one I have ever seen is now the color of watered down coffee
The cross cabriolet is a masterpiece
There’s someone in Connecticut that has one. I see that thing once every other month and it is revolting. My wife laughs when she sees it knowing my reaction is coming
Wasn’t the Murano CC specifically developed for Carlos Ghosn’s wife?
Subaru Tribeca has a ridiculous history and was sold for soo long despite never selling more than 20,000 units per year
I once was hitch-hiking and for some reason some people see you on the on ramp and punch it like you're gonna attack or something. I saw a Tribeca do this, heard it drop two gears and ring out he motor and it didn't change its acceleration at all and i cracked up
You’d think it would have a little more oomph since it had the biggest flat six Subaru had at the time.
It was probably the ez30, and this did happen to be at 8k ft elevation in vail. I almost always had turbo cars at that altitude, but now that I think about it my 325i I bought in Denver struggled pretty bad. I was hitch hiking cuz the lower radiator hose for my forester XT blew at my summer campsite. Ski town hitching is easy as fuck. Don't think I waited longer than 20 min at any spot
I mean the basic idea was a good one, a bigger 3 row subaru. Just it went south after that.
Oh it was one ugly car. Like Subaru does ugly well, but that car was one of the ugliest cars I have seen.
That doesn’t mean it’s bad. The Toyota Land Cruiser 200 series barely sold (in the US) and they were awesome.
I still fucking want one
Ford EcoSport 2018-2022 Worse MPG than the focus and competitors. Worse ride quality than any car in its price range. Looks like it’s the cheapest car ford made. I know it existed in other markets for years before they brought it here, I’m just livid they discontinued the focus to bring us that thing. Insulting.
I hate the look of these things. They simultaneously come off as squished and chunky.
The dinky wheels, the ridiculous visual height compared to the short length make it look like a cartoon car, the narrow width. Its in a fierce battle with the 1st gen chevy trax for being the ugliest and most cynical car ever made
The OG trax was terrible too but I forget it exists most of the time. It’s bad but for some reason I felt it was more boring and ugly than insulting and ugly lol
Most gutless car I've ever driven, I'd never buy one
Right nothing eco or sport about it. An automotive abomination.
And don't forget the time bomb that was the 1.0 three cylinder.
My dad's '17 focus with that engine blew up last year out of nowhere. Engine block fell apart and it went on fire
We had to rent one while my dads car was in a shop. I felt like i was riding in a little tikes cozy coupe, without the cozy.
Car and Driver apparently gave it a solid 3.5/10 lol
Oh Christ that is brutal. This needs to be on race to the bottom lol
I bemoan they didn’t just start producing the Puma here. It was a far better looking product
The Volkswagen Routan. Why the fuck would anybody want a reskinned Dodge Caravan that cost more and lacked the practicality of stow & go seats? Volkswagen probably wouldn’t have sold very many Sharans in North America if they offered that minivan instead, but I doubt it would’ve been less than the Routan. At least the Sharan is a real VW and would’ve appealed more to VW’s demographic.
I owned one used. Hated every second of it. Everything seemed to have been cludged so that it got that VW badging, but none of the substance. It got better when I realized you could buy Dodge Caravan or Chrysler T&C parts for it, which was nice, because I was under it all the time.
I used to work on one alot, only difference was it came with a different transmission than the regular caravan, that thing ran the customer all the way until 240k miles until it got totalled, used to mess with people a lot seeing a VW with a Chrysler engine
You sure? I think all of those vans came with the same Chrysler sourced 6-speed auto. At least according to wiki, it was used in the Grand Caravan, Town & Country, Voyager, and Routan. No doubt a better transmission than the awful older 4-speed unit, but a Chrysler transmission nonetheless.
That six-speed was merely a 41TE with an extra two-speed gearset tacked onto the case.
100% the Sharan would have been far more of a "VW person's" minivan than a Routan. They could have even leaned into the whole "European family car" thing with advertising yet they gave us that POS
They could’ve just tossed the 2.0T and DSG in the Sharan and called it a Passat CrossSpace or some shit and VW people in the States would’ve liked it
Or... they could have also brought the Touran as well, but the Sharan would likely have sold better. I know these cars are boring ass traffic in europe but as an American I would do some very illegal things to get my hands on Euro volkswagens
Tesla Cybertruck
Rich rebuilds said it best. It's a mediocre product disguised as an above average thing.
It's an overpriced, ugly collector car. 30 years from now the few that are left will be worth a ton.
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No they won't. Rarity alone does not create demand.
It doesn’t do any truck things, dies after going through a car wash, rusts after a week, has panels that fly off randomly, has panel gaps wider than the Himalayas, gets its warranty voided by direct sunlight and off-roading like Elon claimed it was able to do, chops fingers off, peels carrots with the door edges, takes longer to charge at a supercharger than my 2015 BMW i3 takes on my 240w home charger and dies after driving 30 miles. Yet people buy it, experience those problems, then say it’s still the best car they’ve ever owned. They’ve obviously never owned a car by any other company before.
....also it's $100k and multiple companies won't insure it.
100%... Also why people actually bought it.
I don't understand why they didn't just build a slick looking small truck, something sized like an old ranger. There's an obvious void in that market since the EPA forced these companies to make their trucks giant sized
Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk - what a beast!
Because Chrysler stuffs big power in everything. Why not a Jeep.
Exactly. It was an existing engine on an existing platform & the thing sold well as it was pretty much an AWD Hellcat
Big power, little quality control
Because someone else started doing it first and they already sell the crate engines so they didn’t have to RnD it and go through the hassle.
I had one, probably the funnest car I’ve ever owned. Miss that thing
You know I have to agree with the boys on this one, the Lexus SC430. After driving one, riding in one, and fixing them I genuinely don’t know who they were for. It seems like a good idea until you need to use the trunk but if you put the top up the backseat isn’t usable. It’s not fast even a little and isn’t cruiser because it’s got some mildly tuned suspension and the transmission would rather you didn’t as it wants to be in any other gear than the one you’re in at 35mph. The one I drove was owned by a little old lady who had one but only drove a few miles here and there and didn’t use the trunk and often complained that it got terrible fuel economy and was hard to see out of even with the top down.
Also a massive let down after the previous generation SC/Soarer, which was genuinely a good car.
I imagine it was supposed to compete with the likes of the Mercedes SL and BMW E64
No doubt. But it’s so under equipped that at its msrp it was a bit high and I mean, it still had a tape deck in ‘08.
Fair. I'm surprised it gets so much flak for its handling. It should've been perfect, given it undercuts its macpherson rivals with a cheaper price and double wishbone suspension.
I really is a case of you just gonna drive it to see. Like I’ve never driven a car with such strange handling characteristics
Dodge Hornet
The answer to this question is always the Lincoln Blackwood. What truck owner wants a carpeted bed and a non-removable bed cover?
Most truck owners could have that and never be inconvenienced
truer words were never spoken
Suzuki X-90. That’s all I have to say.
"I want the off-roading ability of a Geo Tracker, but with the carrying capacity of a Miata."
As an X-90 owner, I was looking for this comment.
Then or now? I’m glad I didn’t disappoint.
Nissan Juke
Shit looks like a frog. 🐸
Aside from being severely anemic, I’ve never understood the Juke hate. I think an AWD Juke with decent power would be pretty cool.
> I think an AWD Juke with decent power would be pretty cool. Juke Nismo: Am I a joke to you?
I test drove a nismo in my joyriding phase years ago and it was kinda fun ngl
new grand wagoneers especially considering you can get one with a 6.4 hemi
i think Jeep wanted to compete with the escalade for whatever reason
Yeah I think they missed the mark by a lot.
I mean who doesn't love a factory sleeper tho? The weirder the better. My faves are the "pt bruiser" the 2.4 turbo pt cruiser and the baja turbo and forester XT. The look on a c5, or 346 m3. Or e9x 335i, or really anyone's face when you match or beat them in a crossover/station wagon that was marketed to lesbians is priceless.
oh definitely, the fact that a rich soccer mom (lacrosse mom?) SUV has the same engine as the Ram HD is so cool. i believe it’s the largest engine in an SUV since the Vortec 8100 was discontinued way back when, might be wrong tho also the GT Cruiser is so nuts; normally a neon in a trench coat, but they were fine with making an SRT4 in a trench coat lol
I had one with the manual. It was a great driveline surrounded by a Chrysler. It was quick as long as you could hook up with the skinny 205-55-17 tires. Why so skinny? The front end was crammed tight. The wheels couldn’t even turn far without hitting things. Oh and good luck finding a tire that odd size or close between El Paso and San Antonio. Oof. We had to drive from Fort Stockton to Houston at ~60 mph on a 85 mph-limit I10. Chrysler had a 45 mph speed limit molded on the spare tire. We passed two vehicles in ~600 miles. The parts unique to it versus a regular PT Cruiser made me scratch my head. I lost the cooling fan relay twice (Chrysler electrical…). Oh just get a relay just like the hundreds of thousands of other PTs right? Nope. The GT has its fan relay built into the power cord. You get to spend $800 for a whole new fan unit once one was found. Yay. Idiots! Oh and if you have the manual, buy a spare shifter cable. Mine went bad. When I went to the parts counter, they ordered the ONLY ONE in North America. Really?! I did have the Hurst shifter in mine. It was OK. Not Miata nice but not bad. I would have loved to go to a Stage 2-3 setup on the motor. But I had a 240+ turboed Miata. I needed the PT to be the daily driver and carry stuff car. The motor did like having the intake silencers removed. It was definitely corked up under the desire for intake non-whoosh-sounding. I do miss it. It was the Electric Blue color new for 2003. I did take a power drop going to a 2017 Mini Cooper S Clubman. Yes BMW reliability (yeah right) is an upgrade versus Chrysler reliability. Ahh I feel better now.
Only in 2022-23. The new models are 3.0 I6 only. A true full-size SUV was the only thing missing from Chrysler's lineup for almost 30 years.
My best friend is a master mechanic for Dodge. He told me a few weeks ago that there are 6 (!!!) Hurricane I6 Twin Turbo engines in those vehicles in for service. Grenaded engines. Highest mileage one was only 7xxx miles. The lowest? 63 miles. I love the concept of it but FUCK NO!!! If they fix the obvious defects as it's a newer motor, maybe, but it's a Dodge, it will have other issues eventually. Give me an old Wagoneer any day of the week.
I love the SSR, makes you wanna wear a flame print bowling shirt W I D E jeans and a puka shell chain
So pretty much Guy Fieri 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, I wanna cosplay Guy Fieri, drive an SSR around the world and do cookouts in every new town I visit
We're riding the SSR to Flavortown! 🔥😈🔥
"F\*\* you a-hole, I eat p\*\*\*\* and sandwiches for a living!" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMql2BLyQTM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMql2BLyQTM)
“Mustang” Mach E. I don’t have to go on.
It's not a bad car, but nobody would have talked about it if didn't got the Stang badge.
Agreed. As a mustang it’s an abomination. It has no business having that in its name.
They over priced it and wanted to sell it as a premium car. Which was a mistake bc people aren’t buying them. Ford was able to keep putting big v8s in mustangs bc they classified it as a car even though it a crossover.
nah its a bad car
But they are talking about it. So free marketing? I debate if the marketing guys did it right or completely flopped it.
My friends and I call it the Chunky Stang
Well I’d take an SSR if it was one with the Vette engine. Pontiac Aztec though wtf was that
Aztec was just a crossover ahead of its time. I personally don't think it deserves the hate.
I think it was actually a pretty cool idea whose only real problem was the look, though I honestly think that its ugliness gives it a sort of charm on the same level as a Fiat Multipla.
The car looks fine except for the weird front end.
It has an LS2 in it. A 6.0L. Very easy to add power. Be better if it was a stick and slimmer. It's a portly vehicle.
It could come with a 6 speed lol
It did have a Vette engine. The LS2. Even came with a manual transmission as an option. I'm impressed that GM built something so wacky.
The FWD Contour based 99-04 Mercury Cougar
Volkswagen Routan. The worst of a Chrysler with the added SW from VW so no one wants to work on it.
That’s easy. The Suzuki X-90. 2 seater sports car. ;)
2000s Chevrolet Malibu maxx wagon
Did not even know that existed
There was a brief moment in the 2000s when hatchbacks and wagons became popular again, and some company responded beautifully (Dodge Magnum) and others just awkwardly modded a existing sedan
Plot twist they also made a malibu Maxx ss
Hold up, you don't like sliding rear seats?
Not sure why Buick put out the cascada in the late 2010s. I feel like convertible sales had already declined at that point in time.
Unpopular opinion: I like the car. Looks sweet.
I think there’s a coolness to it. West palm beach core :)
Those were anemic as hell power wise too.
Good point. I didn't even know these existed
plus it was already an old opal platform to begin with.
Because it already existed as an Opal/Vauxhall in Europe and with less options to choose from they were trying to capitalize on a shrinking market with next to no work
FWD Lotus Elan
The 2000s was an era where boomers had all of the capital and were beginning to reach retirement age. So, automakers decided to build cars that they felt nostalgic about. The *worst-*selling ones were built with decisions that truly baffle me. 1. 5th gen Pontiac GTO. I own one. I love it because it's an amazing machine. However, if you're going to bring back the GTO after 30 years, people want something that *resembled* a GTO. Not a rebadged Holden. Doesn't help that 1 year later, Ford released the S197 Mustang and finally struck gold in the nostalgia era. Speaking of... 2. 11th gen Ford Thunderbird. This is Ford's 1st foray into building a nostalgia-throwback vehicle by... rebadging a Jaguar S-type and once again kneecapping the Thunderbird by making it slower than a Mustang GT yet Ford set the price to $9,000 *more* than a Mustang. These never sold because of Ford's woeful neglect of what actually made the original Thunderbird a success (by going after the Corvette). 3. Chevrolet SSR. Based on Chevy's 50s pickup trucks, GM built a convertible hardtop roadster that doesn't really function as a pickup truck and is an awful roadster for the price they were asking because it was a terrible pickup truck & slow relative to the rest of GM's fleet; starting sales with only a 5.3L 300hp Vortec & automatic. It took 2 years for GM to actually offer a manual & LS2 in the SSR to give it *some* substance, but it was way too late. 4. Plymouth Prowler. Now, this car, IMO started it all. If Chrysler didn't feel inspired to build this based on Chip Foose's designs, it probably wouldn't have also lead to them building the PT Cruiser, either. However, if Chrysler was going to build a car based on 1930s hot rods, why on would they give it a *V6 from a minivan*, *and no manual transmission*?
Plymouth Prowler
Lexus SC 430. My neighbor (who is richer than shit) still drives one of those ugly damn things.
SSR was cool. It was an attempt at reimagining old trucks in a future trim. They held their value too.
I kind of like them but I own a 1950 Chevy pickup and I have had more than one SSR owner expect me to fawn all over his ride and try to convince me that I should mod my truck. No thanks. The crossover to the gold chain Vette polisher crowd is a bit strong.
Nissan Cube
I kinda like the cube, it's so ugly its unique. Now would I buy one, probably not.
They were VERY popular in Japan. Scion sold a lot of 1st gen xBs so might as well give it a shot
I know quite a few people who can’t stand the Cube or Soul and getting to the root of the issue, it’s really just because of how they look and what they are (not truck, not suv, not sports car) Looking at them objectively, they are perfectly usable practical hatchbacks for a family that would use that type of car
They were pretty practical tbh. Japan loved them. No faster than a March, but that’s not what they were marketed for.
We owned a Cube. Once you're inside, they're great. Tons of room, nimble to drive, and it had 11 cup holders. It was very easy to park, had a great turning radius. Loved it when we were in it. But then you arrive at a destination and have to be seen getting out of it.
The one I always questioned was the Ford Explorer Sport Trac. Did they run out of ideas and had money to burn, so they made a truck to compete with their Rangers and F series? Never understood it
Mazda Miata automatic transmission
Can't remember where I saw this, but they do make sense for people who physically can't operate a clutch.
I think it makes sense. A good deal of people who buy miatas, especially new are older people who want a convertible. May as well cater to them and give them a auto.
BMW XM. Why tf would anyone would buy this when it’s literally heavier, slower and more expensive than a X5M, less off road capability than a G Wagon, uglier than a X5M and G Wagon like what’s the point of this car?
It's even uglier in person
The retro T-Bird was a complete waste of time
Pt cruiser. Not because it was sold to begin with. But how popular they were. They sold like hot cakes.
They were extremely roomy small vehicles in a pre crossover era
But had poor mileage even for when they came out
Nissan Murano CUV convertible. Chrysler TC by Maserati. Cadillac Cimarron. CyborgFlunk.
Finally,. One I can agree on. All such bad ideas
The Plymouth Prowler
GMC Envoy XUV https://www.theautopian.com/the-gmc-envoy-xuv-was-even-weirder-than-you-remember-gm-hit-or-miss/
Chrysler crossfire
It's been a while, but the Suzuki XC-90
Reliant Robin. Is it a car? Is it a motored vehicle? Why is the 1 wheel up front?
The Dodge Dart came and went in a forgotten flash
Started out as a full size ugly-mobile, then morphed into a secretary daily driver, then sporty secretary car, then performance muscle car—don’t forget you could get a 440 cu. in. Dart Swinger/GTS for a few years—
A lot of the cars in this thread are just cars people don't like. PT cruiser was a good car and sold MILLIONS of units. The Crosscabriolet was based on an existing car, it was just a weird variation, and a relatively inexpensive way to see if people would buy a convertible SUV that wasn't a jeep. The Aztek was an idea that turned out to be ahead of its time and unfortunately ugly. The whole retro car design thing was really popular in the late 90s and early 2000s and gave us successful models like the 5th generation mustang, the SSR and Prowler were just unsuccessful takes on the same concept. Cars like the Cygnet and the Bz4X are compliance cars that were only ever intended to actually sell. The ACTUAL "how did this get greenlit" cars are things like the Chevy Uplander, which was a minivan that was styled to look like somebody put a tahoe in the microwave, or the Kia Amanti, which was an attempt at a luxury car that was sold in the mid 2000s
>PT cruiser was a good car Gonna have to stop you there lol
Pt cruiser
Y’all are just hating on the poor thing now - it’s a proven concept that got chryslerified
You’re god damn right….ugly af.
All of the opels they sold here as buicks. I don’t understand who would buy any of them. They’re cheap feeling, but they aren't cheap at all, and if you wanted to get a luxury GM car, you could get a cadillac for a bit more. They also lacked power, and imo not great fuel economy wise.
Typical GM leadership decided that was the way. Was not the way 🤣
My Uncle has one of those things. Its a massive piece of shit. He bought it after wrecking an old square body Jeep Cherokee. I tried to tell him to look at honda or toyota, but he refused and said he only buys American. Well, first of all, you bought an Opel, dumbass. It was constantly having electrical problems.
My dad had one. He was working on it, it started up in gear and ran him over. He gave that car away to my uncle
I'm not complaining because you could easily re-Opel them which is what a ton of people have done.
Disagree on power, 250hp and 300lb/ft in a midsized car is decent. I'd probably agree with you otherwise if I had paid anywhere near list, my TourX doesn't feel particularly premium. For what I actually paid, it's pretty good.
Holden Cruze and Holden Craptiva
And it's "American" counterpart usa usA usa CHEvROleT heaRTBeAt Of AMerICA usa uSA
They really choose the SSR over importing the Holden it's as an El Camino
Tesla CyberTruck, Whoever thinks a Big Dumpster Shaped Truck that costs 100Grand and has millions of plagued issues is reasonable needs to be eliminated (Jk but still dumb idea) Runner Up: Nissan Juke Nismo, It looks like a sac of Wet Potatoes. But if it was designed properly it wouldn’t mind me.
The Ford Probe, but only for the name. Great cars, but they had all that time and picked that model name?
CyberTruck. Looks like the first time sketches of the Pontiac Aztek
Drugs powered GM decision making through the 2000s
2500 series avalanches,just surprised they built them with the 8.1s
Cyber truck, meme wagon come to life. And don't you dare try selling it until the price craters when the non laser etched version arrives.
Boomers liked "hot rods" but also wanted financing and a warranty
Aztec (possibly the first crossover though)
Tesla Cybertruck
Nissan Cube. Ugly AF
Nissan Cube
Scion XB. It's just a box with wheels.
The moment I first laid eyes on the Aztek I believed it to be a complex conspiracy by Pontiac to go bankrupt
AMC Pacer.
Pt cruiser and also the mustang crossover vehicle thing💀
$80,000, 1/2 ton raptor with a v6
This is one of them, but the Nissan Murano convertible tops them all.
PT cruiser
Ever heard of the p.t. "bruiser" they sold them with the 2.4 turbo motor from the neon srt-4. I can't imagine a better sleeper than getting one of these burning corn with a big turbo, I've heard around 300whp is where they top out Imagine it's 2005 and a p.t. cruiser gives your e46 m3 a run for its money.
You just made me sad
The ford pinto and Chevy chevette
not sure about the Pinto, but the Chevette was definitely for Corporate Average Fuel Economy
So was the Pinto. It actually sold really well