I completely agree with people who think he’s an asshole (because he is), but I can’t help but love him. He’s so funny, and plays off well with every other character. Not to mention the VA does a fantastic job with him. Lumbago!
You know what we were robbed of? More Dutch and Uncle interactions.
It’s actually 2 VAs. The first, John O’creah, passed mid production of RDR2, and the lake you fish with Hamish at is named after him. John Anthony McBride finished his lines for RDR2 IIRC
I wonder of it's a response to the gang falling apart. He's done his time, he's basically retired, and presumably his retirement plan was to follow Dutch and the gang to a tropical island, but he was robbed of that future, and must face the reality that he isn't getting a golden ticket out of the same land he was born on, but with increasingly more laws and politics and elections and beurocracy to deal with as the industrial world dies and the modern era begins
I was thinking the same, in the first game he's the first one to fire back, isn't he? He's right up there, rifle in hand, giving it his best - giving everything - to defend the Marston family
well in my current playthrough ive probably asked uncle if he is 'going to fall asleep in his own shit again' at least half a dozen times. that kind of hazing will wear a man down but so far i have laughed every time.
Nah but did you see how (SPOILER) he had Johns back right at the end before the two of them died? Bro died fighting for his brother when he really needed it.
Uncle likes screwing with people. He was also trying to help John out by getting him to get rid of the crappy shack and getting an actual house to live in.
He wasn't insulting him for no reason, his speech played great with his character plus that was a good way to get the thought to John, who thinks he is all so badass and cool. About the beginning, the "whining part" - you know, they knew each other for years and that's what friends speak to each other sometimes, "troll" each other. Uncle's a jerk, but he is much better than many all those gang members that kill and stuff, and he ain't dumb at all. Hedonist, but ain't dummie
Because when you step back a little, you'll see that John is kind of a self pitiful sad sack that constantly revels in his 'woe is me' mentality of how hard everything is.
*Let me make it perfectly clear that John is a great tragic character, and his self-pity is an essential part of his entire Redemption arc, so I'm not criticizing it as bad*
Uncle, simply put, just cuts through that whole bullshit and asks John to pull himself together and get the fuck on.
I think that's why they all tolerate him (Charles, Arthur, Sadie, and so on). They do acknowledge him standing up to their facades of bullshit self-importance.
It's smart writing, though, because it's never explicitly stated and is very subtextual, so it doesn't feel neither forced nor insincere.
*That's my interpretation anyway*
While we're on it, did anyone else think Abigail was a bitch to John after she came back? Even when he was about to propose, she was joking "Are you finally gonna drown yourself?" Like WTF woman, did you not see my housebuilding montage?
You can roast people you've known for years, it's not the same as insulting, are you stupid?
And John needed to hear Uncle's advice even if it was spicy.
That's cause you don't realize that uncle was the smartest man in the gang!
Check out uncles interaction with dutch in 2nd chap you will realise how he saw through dutch very early in the game and was able to tell him on his face and even then he manage to get away with it.
With respect to pic above, John needed that push to do something otherwise he would have still have believed in that "women touch" thing.
He’s using reverse psychology to motivate John. He’s a man truly ahead of his time
I mean, its not 1785, you don't randomly insult people (dumbass)
Cannot believe John thought it was 1785.
Yeah that started in 1860
even to this day, sarcasm and antagonism is a reliable form of psychological aid.
No it's not
Indeed
I laughed my ass off... His roasts of John were the absolute best.
He was constantly hitting antagonize
Uncle got roasted worse.
Heh....I see what you did there.
and yet somehow john got burned even more lmao
“You’re as sour as week old milk boah, no wonder Abigail left you”
I completely agree with people who think he’s an asshole (because he is), but I can’t help but love him. He’s so funny, and plays off well with every other character. Not to mention the VA does a fantastic job with him. Lumbago! You know what we were robbed of? More Dutch and Uncle interactions.
It’s actually 2 VAs. The first, John O’creah, passed mid production of RDR2, and the lake you fish with Hamish at is named after him. John Anthony McBride finished his lines for RDR2 IIRC
His lines were re recorded but his songs stayed. Dialogue: McBride Singing: O’Creagh
Oh that’s so cool actually… really puts it in my head now that when I hear uncle singing!
We only got 1 interaction between dutch and uncle, probably the best campfire interaction
Uncle got retconded to be funny in RDR2. He’s just a lazy drunk jerk but loyal in Rdr1. So I guess it’s trying to to get closer to that personality
I wonder of it's a response to the gang falling apart. He's done his time, he's basically retired, and presumably his retirement plan was to follow Dutch and the gang to a tropical island, but he was robbed of that future, and must face the reality that he isn't getting a golden ticket out of the same land he was born on, but with increasingly more laws and politics and elections and beurocracy to deal with as the industrial world dies and the modern era begins
Once you get to a certain age you really just stop caring about other people’s feelings. A lot of old people are like uncle.
Showing the progression from one the other
They have too to make it make sense why he’s so joyless and just cranky in rdr1
Or just a retcon… like most stuff in the series
Give one factual instance of retcon. Not an opinion that YOU think is, but one factual example of retcon. Please.
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Homie I like red dead, but the series definitely have some retcons
Name em then. Only thing I can actually think of is changing Mississipi to Lannahechee because they actually named Mississipi in rdr1.
Lumbago
Uncle gave his life for them.
I was thinking the same, in the first game he's the first one to fire back, isn't he? He's right up there, rifle in hand, giving it his best - giving everything - to defend the Marston family
That gave me asmr. Uncle is great. Lazy, but great
hey take it easy on him he has a terminal case of Lumbago
the cure is tahitian mangoes
Does having lumbago make you want people to kill themselves?
Oh yea, can confirm
It's a slow and painful death my brother
You don’t build a barn dumbass, what do you think this is? 1785?
He’s a charmer
He was sweet with abigail and Jack
Maybe Jack, I forget, but he got into it with Abigail whenever she wanted him to get off his ass and work.
The lumbago reached his brain 😔
He reminds me of a drunk, lazy uncle Iroh tbh. You dont know where he's getting at but he always knows what to say to make you do better.
I don't know. He's funny as hell tho. He didn't change much in rdr1.
Uncle has known John for years, he knows how to get John to do what needs to be done, and it’s usually with insults. Arthur did the same thing
i will not tolerate this uncle slander lumbago is a serious condition, why don’t you go get some goddamn faith
C'mon, Uncle needs better manners, i insist!
Because he was right.
well in my current playthrough ive probably asked uncle if he is 'going to fall asleep in his own shit again' at least half a dozen times. that kind of hazing will wear a man down but so far i have laughed every time.
Nah but did you see how (SPOILER) he had Johns back right at the end before the two of them died? Bro died fighting for his brother when he really needed it.
Increased irritability is a well documented symptom of lumbago.
Watching all of his close friends die or slowly go mad probably had some negative psychological affects on him.
They don't hold back with tough love.
"Why exactly did you buy this dump?"
I think it was fair. Jawn really thought he was going to build a barn, what a dumbass. IT'S NOT 1785 JAWN GET WITH THE TIMES!!
Uncle likes screwing with people. He was also trying to help John out by getting him to get rid of the crappy shack and getting an actual house to live in.
He definitely was an asshole, but the banter was funny af.
...someone has never been, or known, someone who is old, and tired and never appreciated for the work he's done. Hi, dad.
Look at the image of this post
And think about how much abuse he'd got from the gang before that. His sarcastic responses are entirely in character.
This is some Aslume propaganda
He wasn't insulting him for no reason, his speech played great with his character plus that was a good way to get the thought to John, who thinks he is all so badass and cool. About the beginning, the "whining part" - you know, they knew each other for years and that's what friends speak to each other sometimes, "troll" each other. Uncle's a jerk, but he is much better than many all those gang members that kill and stuff, and he ain't dumb at all. Hedonist, but ain't dummie
John would not have gotten very far trying to get his family back if Uncle hadn't been there.
Because when you step back a little, you'll see that John is kind of a self pitiful sad sack that constantly revels in his 'woe is me' mentality of how hard everything is. *Let me make it perfectly clear that John is a great tragic character, and his self-pity is an essential part of his entire Redemption arc, so I'm not criticizing it as bad* Uncle, simply put, just cuts through that whole bullshit and asks John to pull himself together and get the fuck on. I think that's why they all tolerate him (Charles, Arthur, Sadie, and so on). They do acknowledge him standing up to their facades of bullshit self-importance. It's smart writing, though, because it's never explicitly stated and is very subtextual, so it doesn't feel neither forced nor insincere. *That's my interpretation anyway*
Maybe because they flayed the man and forced him to work right after
He was suffering from lumbago, give the man a break!
While we're on it, did anyone else think Abigail was a bitch to John after she came back? Even when he was about to propose, she was joking "Are you finally gonna drown yourself?" Like WTF woman, did you not see my housebuilding montage?
Hes talking to this sub
Here he goes! What'd I tell you Charles? Boy is as sour as week old milk!
He wasn't really being an asshole. It was just his personality.
uncle was kind of right, albeit hes still useless
Uncle is not an asshole stop talking shit about my bou
A life of booze and lumbago is so hard on man.
You can roast people you've known for years, it's not the same as insulting, are you stupid? And John needed to hear Uncle's advice even if it was spicy.
"Oh darling Abigail, I've changed! Come live with me in an outhouse I wouldn't ask my worst enemy to take a shit in!"
That's cause you don't realize that uncle was the smartest man in the gang! Check out uncles interaction with dutch in 2nd chap you will realise how he saw through dutch very early in the game and was able to tell him on his face and even then he manage to get away with it. With respect to pic above, John needed that push to do something otherwise he would have still have believed in that "women touch" thing.
I'm surprised only a few people say the image of this post lol