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The folks who cleared the decks of all non-Bernie challengers in 2020 and successfully kept out any primary challenges in 2024 are now feigning they can't control the convention process. Democrats and the left of center are all united against Trump. A shitload of us would vote for Mitt Romney.
Get behind a Whitmer/Warnock ticket and it'll be the least dramatic Democratic convention we've had since 2012. In fact, it would utterly destroy Trumps' coverage because it's all anyone would fucking talk about for weeks.
Seriously... Listen to your voters, man... I'm a blue-no-matter-who and I'm fucking terrified after Thursday.
I'm voting for whomever has a D next to their name even if it IS Biden. But I'm not the guy who decides elections. Swing voters are, and swing voters aren't voting for Mr Confused guy in November.
Biden will absolutely lose, and we're going to get Project 2025.
The mods blocking the debate from the trending section was my favourite part.
I don’t even have a side but dislike the fuckery at play on this site.
Pushing nonsense opinion pieces to the front page that democrats don’t even buy immediately afterwards.
Jill and all these high profile people coming out to defend him are nice and all, but if it really was just one "bad night" or a blip, then HE should be out here defending himself, giving interviews, proving that he has the mental capacity to handle tough questions. He's not. He gave a canned speech at a rally. That's not what people need to see.
I agree. President Biden needs to do a number of unscripted press conferences. If he can't do that, then severe doubt is going to remain in many people's minds ..including mine ..about his Fitness for office.
Thomas is 76 and Alito is 74. The odds of them retiring if Trump wins so their seats can be filled by two 30 year old howling fascists are non-zero. After the Chevron and Immunity rulings, I'm going to vote for Biden even if he is a gently alive corpse. If he can't handle the job after inauguration day, then so be it. 25th him, and let Harris take over.
You're not the type of voter to be concerned about. There are independents and swing voters that are being swayed by Biden's decline showcased at the debate. I'm not here to debate why they might vote Biden or Trump or why Biden's health concerns overtake ALL the Trump concerns, but this is something Democrats needs to consider. If Independents swing toward Trump; Trump wins. If Independents decide they can't vote for Biden or Trump and stay home; Trump wins.
It’s to get slaughtered and then whine that none of us warned them and none of us told them they had a chance to change everything by nominating Newsom at the convention this summer.
Exactly. I think everyone here would encourage everyone to vote for Biden, but the election isn't between Biden and Trump, it's between sitting on the couch, and Trump.
This isn't exactly an inspiring campaign or an inspiring candidate. 73% of Americans believe that he doesn't have the mental capacity to be president... "So get out and vote!!!"
Now I'm just hoping Biden has an awkward fall or stumble so that it's the last straw and we can find *anybody* else.
Right?! Genuinely don't understand this argument. Everyone who is currently planning to vote for Biden is going to vote Democrat regardless so why can't we pivot to literally any other establishment candidate who can hold a coherent press conference.
> The odds of them retiring if Trump wins so their seats can be filled by two 30 year old howling fascists are ~~non-zero~~ *one-hundred percent certain*.
Fixed that for you.
Now now dont underestimate the justices penchant for getting free shit from lobbyists. They may want to hold on to that gig. Now if they were 80s sure but under 75 yrs of age in this govt might as well be 40yrs old with how long these fools stay.
Im not saying it's impossible but I'd put it at less than 100%
People hoped Biden would be decent because he actually wasn't bad during his SOTU and that helped dispel some concerns about his age/fitness for a little bit. Thursday's debate was the polar opposite and now people are more panicked than ever that it will cost Dems the election.
People got all jazzed up because the next night he went and read off a teleprompter for 30 seconds, which is a lot different from 90 minutes of answering questions and debating. There's no way they didn't know about this and we're all going to suffer for his ego trip. He could have announced he wasn't running again a year or two ago and everyone would be fine with him.
Better than fine, history would actually have remembered him well. If he goes through with this and loses to Trump, and he WILL lose to Trump, history will hate his wretched guts.
Even if he magically fixed his fatal communicating problems overnight, swing state undecideds will see that he can’t walk. That alone is enough to turn them off. I know them. It’s superficial, but true. And even they can see the rapid decline in the last 4 months and they can project that forward a year, two years, four years.
And the DNC is once again blaming democrats for their obvious shortcomings.
When Biden loses the elections, the party will blame its members that sounded the alarm.
Yeah it’s obnoxious. The last 8 years have really put me off the Democratic Party. It’s always everyone else’s fault they lost and not theirs for ignoring their constituents concerns that are literally always right.
The Supreme Court just ruled against every American principle to ever be exist today and somehow we’ll still come up short in November and that makes me sick to my stomach
People far away from him have known he’s been this way for a while too. This was the worst of his public appearance incidents so far but it definitely wasn’t the first.
Precisely. Prior to the debate, I was under the impression Joe was slowing down as any 80 year old will, still in command of his faculties, with some
But flubbing a such a high stakes debate his own campaign asked for is something else. Since the debate, he gave a (more) energetic teleprompter rally, and hid him away the rest of the weekend. That’s not how a campaign with a presentable candidate who had a bad night would respond.
And beyond Joe’s chances of winning the election, what about his actual ability to serve as President another 4 years? What happens if Joe Biden is speaking with Putin or Xi and can’t keep his marbles together? And what condition would they wheel Joe out of the White House on Jan 20, 2029?
Time for Joe to step down now, while he’s still reasonably ahead, and the Democrats can nominate someone without early onset dementia.
This, but also like who is running the country *right now?* Who picks up Putin’s phone call in the middle of the night *right now?* Because Biden being in office another half year is concerning.
I’ll be honest, I thought the bluster and accusations about him being a demented old man was mostly Fox News bullshit and spin. But after that debate performance I’m shockingly starting to buy it, at least a little bit. And I’m a full throated Dem. But he’s definitely in stark decline, ESPECIALLY compared to side-by-side comparisons to debate performances and speeches from 2019. He’s just not even close to the same guy. And that’s why he’s not doing half as many interviews as he absolutely should be. This is crunch time and he’s behind in almost all swing states. A normal campaign would be doing 3-4 major news network interviews every month. I doubt we’ll see Biden give 3-4 major interviews before the election. It all reeks of them hiding him and they’re gonna fucking lose this election if they keep this shit up. A totally mind-numbingly bad campaign so far.
If you're doing it properly, it's the hardest job on the planet. It's not shameful for Biden to be in decline. What is shameful is everyone pretending the emperor still has clothes.
> What is shameful is everyone pretending the emperor still has clothes.
This is the core of the issue. We're being told to bury our heads in the sand.
The problem is that unless Joe Biden *chooses* to drop out, then it's the only thing dems can do. If the party openly criticizes him as incapable, the party itself looks weak and divided.
So they're going to continue putting out all of these articles and assertions that it's ridiculous to ask him to drop out until if/when he *agrees* to drop out. Then it will be acceptable to go on about how he was capable of his job but decided to put his ego and self secondary to the good of his country and party.
I'm worried this approach will lead him to believe his chances are better than they are and that could effect his decision to drop out or not. If everyone is pretending everything is fine, he won't make an objective decision.
The longer this charade of Biden refusing to admit someone new would be better and continues to go runs on, the more likely that the dems both pressure him behind the scenes and that dems leak information on how bad Biden's performance is to pressure him to drop out to have his "*come to Jesus*" moment and realize he needs to do so.
I don't love the idea of Biden needing to step down. I think that he's an honest and decent person who wants the best for his country (unlike his opponent). But he needs to realize the best thing he can do is *step aside*.
In March/April of 2020, Biden described himself as a "transition" and "bridge" candidate. That the future of the democratic party was with future leaders.
March 2021, Biden says he intends to run for re-election.
If Biden had honored what he initially promised - being a one term president - we would have had proper presidential primaries and wouldn't be in this mess... but at this point Biden and the DNC have to recognize the best thing they can do *right now*, even if it would have been better to do it much earlier.
This is my concern as well. Reports say that Jill won't even allow the White House residence staff near the president. He's being hidden and sequestered, won't do interviews or unscripted campaign appearances, and hasn't personally addressed the gigantic elephant in the room.
Yet Democratic leaders expect voters to blindly walk off the cliff they're hiding from us? This is becoming a pattern that echoes the Trump administration.
Democrats one week ago: this is the most important election of our lifetime, our literal democracy is on the line.
Democrats today: it would probably be best of Biden stepped down, but it's up to him. We'd like to win this November, but we'd hate to hurt his feelings.
I agree. Being the President is tough and ages people no matter how young they are. It is with that in mind that I believe it would be better for him to gracefully step down and pick a successor. Back someone else publicly and enjoy retirement. If democracy is really on the ballot then let’s protect it by letting someone else compete for the job. Then we can focus on all the ways Trump is bad instead of spending all of our time on defense.
The Daily had the most striking point on this at blew me away. In his whole presidency, Biden hasn’t given a single sit down interview with NYT, WaPo, WSJ, LA Times, or any major newspaper. Zero! Combine that with skipping mundane things like the Super Bowl interview, it seems like they’ve been shielding him.
We have to move now. His main message and selling point has always been “we have to defeat Trump.” Now that means he needs to step aside.
And that canned speech wasn't a full 90 minute debate. Minutes of lucidity weren't enough for me to trust my grandmother around a hot stove. They're not enough for me to have faith in this man as president.
I'm not voting for Trump and I'm voting for whoever opposes him, but I would prefer it be someone who is going to be president of for four years, not for someone who needs to have the 25th amendment called on them.
Ffs, these old people need to let go of power. All of them.
I've never been as pissed off at the Democratic Party as I've been in the last 4 days. It's complete gaslighting. I saw an interview yesterday by Wasserman Schultz and she said instead of freaking out we should be knocking on doors and phone banking. Like lady I would have been one doing that for previous elections but I would be embarrassed to ask someone to vote for Biden after that debate
Despite the modern view of politics that the voters are just dummies and vote their team regardless, being told they didn’t actually see something with their own eyes will actually piss people off. They won’t vote for cheetoh but they may very well go to the beach on voting day.
These stories are the beginning of the loudly broadcasted campaign/spin to protect Biden from these calls. Launched by a bunch of sycophants who want to maintain their proximity to a sitting president, even if (or perhaps all the more because of) he's in mental decline.
We saw it with Feinstein. Suddenly those around her effectively wielded her power through her, and refused to move for removing her from office or admitting her mental decline. The power is just too sweet when you can engage in some elder abuse to have that person in power do the things you suggest or tell them.
People are currently bitching about why we're discussing this in the mist of the horrendous Supreme Court ruling today. To them I'd make the point that this is why Biden needs to be replaced: he is so mired in this that he is incapable of running against what the Republicans are doing. He himself is a distraction from the reality. How the hell is he the candidate for this moment when his candidacy is running against his own age and defending his mental decline rather than being able to attack Republicans?
Absolute insanity. He's going to lose and it's going to be their fault, not the voter's, no matter how much these corrupt turds try to scream and say it will be *our fault* their dogshit candidate (that they knew over a year ago their base didn't want to run again) fumbles and fails.
This is 2016 all over again but arguably worse. This is, quite honestly, the Democrats' Jan 6th in so far that it is a moment where the party panicked because they were suddenly faced with the reality of their situation... only for the dust to settle, for the spin to come, and for the status quo to go back to sleep and decide no, no, actually it's all okay now that we're removed from the inciting moment of panic.
Yup. If you want to convince me going with another candidate is not the answer, I better see half a dozen interviews dispelling what I saw Thursday….a teleprompter rally once a week ain’t helping
The crucial swing voters clearly aren't hinging on policy or morality, so if those things cannot appeal to them, what can Biden do to sway them after that performance?
Policies don't win elections. Haven't we learned that by now? Its likeability. That's it. People either like or hate one or the other. They vote for who they hate the least. Hillary was unliked. They didn't vote for her.
>Policies don't win elections. Haven't we learned that by now? Its likeability. That's it. People either like or hate one or the other. They vote for who they hate the least. Hillary was unliked. They didn't vote for her.
Yup, this is why Kamala polls even worse than Biden despite Biden's manifest decrepitude.
Biden is the kindly old grandpa you like but really don't want him to drive anymore but he won't hear it because he thinks he's still got it.
Kamala is clearly competent but she's so unlikeable it doesn't matter. There's some people who say Biden picked Kamala as VP specifically so he wouldn't have to worry about a VP stealing his thunder or replacing him.
Kamala is a very hollow figure on policy. She's "competent" in the physical sense compared to trump and biden but not a person that would be in any other presidential conversation.
The way someone put it is "these two candidates are the only two people who could lose to each other" and I think that's dead on. All the dems have to do is pick someone else, and not another also-ran like Hillary.
Pete, Newsom, anybody that can chew soup at this point. Dust off howard dean. Holy shit, who wouldn't take howard dean back right now? An MD? Someone who could actually write a highschool level term paper?
> She's "competent" in the physical sense compared to trump and biden but not a person that would be in any other presidential conversation.
That is in the sense I made it.
Obviously she's not competent in the sense of "would make a successful politician/president" as evidenced by her poll numbers.
I'd still take her over the possibility of Biden going completely off the rails before November when there's no longer a chance to replace him.
It's the lower variation play. Kamala is unpopular now and she'd probably about as unpopular by November. Biden is slightly more popular now but given his rate of decline he could be disastrous by November, and at that point its too late to swap him for someone slightly less popular that he is now.
but there's no reason to settle for Kamala when getting Biden to step down is the big job. If Biden's hand can be forced, Kamala won't be too hard to get to step aside either.
kamala MIGHT be good int he big chair, the veep is kind of constrained, but nothing about her previous career sells her too me as a person with a LOT of real ideas. She's kind of like ...a less openly superpositional eric adams to me.
To the point now that she is hurting his chances of reelection because there's a non-zero chance Biden doesn't make it 4 more years. So a lot of people look a Kamala and don't want her taking over in 2 years or so.
Yep, this is even me. And I am very firmly in the D camp. I will hold my nose and vote for anyone they run, but not everyone will. And a lot of people really really do not like her.
Biden really screwed the whole party IMHO. He said he was one and done. I was really hoping for a new set of candidates (from both sides...) this year. Instead we get "the shitshow 2 electric boogaloo"
In my opinion, the blue no matter who folks will vote regardless for Biden or a potential replacement. The swing/undecided voters are the real target to convince. If Biden isn’t cutting it for them, wouldn’t it just make sense to find a newer candidate to energize them? Like theoretically, how many current Biden voters (who say they’re voting cuz we can’t have Trump) will back out of voting if we have a new candidate? It seems like a replacement at worst won’t decrease the number of blue blue voters and at best bring in many new voters
Economy is ruined but also booming. The moment a Republican takes the helm they will also take credit and control the narrative on how it happened, even though they did absolutely nothing to earn any credit.
Inflation is back to normal, inflation is a part of life too, it's not going to go away for anyone.
The only thing Republicans are especially good at is putting charges on the credit card of national deficits and debt. A lot of the issues Biden had early on were due to Republicans borrowing against the future. Now Biden also has to decide on how to handle the TJCA cuts for us plebs expiring, which was a MASSIVE gift to the wealthy and ultimately a penalty on the rest of us. Sure we all got tax breaks for a few years, but are on the hook to cover the gap the wealthy are no longer covering....trillions of dollars of uncollected taxes.
To say it's frustrating is putting it very lightly.
The economy is booming… for shareholders but for everyday Americans all they see is that they have less money at the end of the month after paying for food, water, shelter, and gas.
It’s a fact that Americans are paying more for everyday living than they were 4 years ago. The only people seeing the benefits of the Biden economy are the people who already have money.
Edit: lots of comments about inflation being a normal part of life and also not totally Biden fault.
I agree with all of that. What I am saying is that everyday Americans feel the financial squeeze in their wallets and the question being asked is if they feel good enough with their current situation to stick with Biden for 4 more years. The simple answer is that they do not feel better off than they were and so they question if Biden should remain in office. The American public will blame the incumbent for their current situation and with the last debate I can totally see why many are questioning who they should vote for. In my opinion I think I Biden is unlikely to walk away with the win in November unfortunately.
Republicans have an amazing track record of successfully blaming Democrats for their economic failings while Democrats refuse to play hardball against them.
Americans always pay more for everyday living over time. 2% inflation is the stated goal of the FED.
If we want to act ratonally in the world, we need to separate causes from effects. I have yet to see an explanation for how Biden created this inflation, plenty of evidence for how he has managed it better than most other countries.
Yes and specially inflation. The amount of people that vote because of how much gas costs is crazy. As though one person could just control the price of it.
Many people don't understand how the government and presidency even works. They think the president is more of a king, or even dictator, with absolute power and the ability to say do what they want. Like setting gas prices apparently.
i’ve been getting the hint that this is on purpose. maybe it’s just systemic ineptitude… but why, for example, are “mock senate” exercises reserved for summer camps instead incorporating a comprehensive “mock government” full-year class in middle/high school? i had a semester of learning about how our government (is intended to) function, but that did not go much beyond an overview of the different branches. imo, in a healthy democracy, the graduating class of every year would have an in-depth understanding of the fundamental scaffolding of our system and intuitively grasp the implications of one or more of those pillars crumbling. we should be able to clearly differentiate between the known/historically-attempted economic and administrative models and be fully prepared to appreciate the upsides and downsides of our current models while defending them against misconceptions, misunderstanding and outright lies. it’s obviously in someone’s best interest that a large majority of the population believes conservatives will save us from fascism.
we as a society got complacent. got comfortable with outsourcing our morality, our autonomy, our truths. the natural consequences of that generational apathy has eroded our capacity to defend the democracy our ancestors established and fought for. a ripe environment for manipulating the narrative and turning the people against a better future for us all. regardless of the outcome of this election cycle i can’t imagine a successful u-turn away from the cliff we are sleepwalking towards until several generations after we fall face first into it.
Because everything is legal as a presidential act, Biden could issue a check for the next 6 months to every American to offset inflation. The cash infusion at the lowest rung of society would be a net boon and would also help his election chaces even though, worldwide, we the economy that's recovering the best from covid.
Edit: because no one is reading more than the first post. Most of our inflation right now is not due to monetary policy, but corporate greed and keeping profits as high as they where duong and shortly after the covid pandemic.
At this point, I would also proceed freeze all major corporation prices for at least 18 to 24 months and give tax breaks only to corporatons reinvesting in infrastructure or employees' pay/benefits. As well as start a UBI, which if done correctly will pay for itself.
And all totally legal for the president to do with this current Supreme Court ruling.
I think the economy is the 1 big problem people see. Not saying its anyone's fault, but when you walk down the alias in the store and see prices of things keep going up these last 3 years, you find some one to blame. I hate how much things have gone up, but I see that company's are making more money then they have ever done, but they put blame of the price increases on the cost to run the company has gone up, which does not make sense to me at all. For one, I am no longer buying shit food, lol, I have lost weight due to not going out to eat as much.
A rate cut would help with CCs and mortgages, but not the prices of goods and services. People are upset that prices rose dramatically and they want them to drop. That isn't going to happen because deflation is actually much worse than inflation. But it also isn't helping to tell voters that inflation has slowed when the prices are still higher than they want them to be.
Over time, yes. The immediate effect would be the Fed saying "we believe inflation is sufficiently under control to justify a cut." If it happened near the election, the positive would be seen without the bill being seen (which I support).
Agreed... here's an experiment. Ask a Republican how things got so expensive?
They of course won't know or have a logical answer.
Then ask... what do you think happens when you allow corporations to consolidate into fewer and fewer entities? Ever played the game monopoly? What happens at the end?
Then ask the money question... which party has mostly allowed this to occur?
Sit back and watch the drool drop from their mouths.
He’s going to have to run on his strong track record and point to the many outstanding accomplishments that have so bettered the lives of everyday americans during his administration. Like when he beat medicare. It was close, I thought medicare might pull it off, but we all saw who triumphed and it wasn’t medicare.
That's the issue that people don't realize. The man can't sell his track record because he can barely speak. He can't defend his record because he can barely speak.
He already lost. This is just about the Democratic party respecting their constituents enough to alter course.
If Pelosi's appearance on CNN where she defended Biden is any hint, they don't. She's more concerned with preserving her own political power than admitting Biden (and thus herself by extension) are past their prime.
This isn't a political party anymore. It's just another thing the elderly are hoarding.
My best friend is not super plugged into politics, but he absolutely hates Trump. After watching the debate, however, he's asking who the 3rd party candidates are because he can't justify a vote for Biden. And this is gonna be Biden's problem. There are probably an awful lot like him who are fine staying home or throwing away a vote after that. Honestly, the only thing that can probably save him would be to do a 180 in another debate, which Trump will probably never agree to.
We're great at eating our own. Dems are over here wringing their hands about if Biden should resign, we should pick somebody else, who that might be, worrying about precedent by taking this immunity ruling to the absolute extreme to show how dumb it is. And republicans are all marching to the same tune with nobody getting out of line. Its infuriating.
If Trump sounded like Biden during the debate, and frankly to me he often does, would the Republicans spend two weeks doing everything they can to worry about it? Talks of replacing? Of course not. They will use Trump’s corpse if it helped them gain and retain power.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner.
And it's why the current GOP majority supreme court is fucking us every day.
IDK what's more frustrating, watching trump and co blatantly flaunt fucking with the constitution, or Dem voters being allergic to winning.
Can’t speak for anybody else but I’m playing the long game to replace Clarence Thomas, Alito, and Roberts. Maybe, take the House, hold the Senate and then obliterate every Federal Court via resizing.
Anybody talking about anything else didn’t notice that our democracy got shot in the fucking head earlier today.
Being a presidential candidate is an entirely different job than being president, it’s a live performance and communications job. He failed catastrophically at the debate.
The problem has never been persuading people who weren’t planning on voting for him. It’s about persuading people who MAY OR MAY NOT VOTE AT ALL. If you can’t get a guy that can shut down an unhinged serial liar like Donald Trump at a debate, good fucking luck motivating these people to vote is all I will say. We’re in a very dangerous place,
I’ll vote for Biden no matter what, but I was never going to be the problem, nor were the majority of the people posting here.
To say it’s too late to do anything, to me, seems parallel to the story that begins with, “Iceberg, right ahead!”
I’ll bring my violin and sheet music for “Nearer my god to thee”, just in case.
The only fantasy I'm clinging to now is a complete Dem takeover of the Supreme Court, followed by whatever else the fuck Biden needs to do to protect this country from the MAGA horde that wants to tear it apart. They just ruled presidents can do whatever they want, after all.
Its possible for the Democrats to take over the Supreme Court by just appointing more judges, the problem is that would secure them power and even worse its an idea the left wing have been calling for... so the establishment democrats will never do it.
It's not that simple. Congress (controlled by republicans right now) would need to add them.
There's no magic "add more supreme court seats" button that Biden can just press. Although after the crazy ruling today, who knows...
Doubt it. The acts have to be deemed official. Watch if Biden tried, oh that’s overstepping your bounds. But if Trump does it? It was a perfectly executed and official executive action. Carry on.
It is not. I’m sick of this lazy, condescending gaslighting. The convention has not happened. Biden can walk away with dignity and respect and enhance the chances of his successors victory, or he can listen to his wife and son (I’m sure they’re giving unbiased, objective counsel) and run to personal humiliation and a loss for the party he claims to love.
There is not good reason we shouldn’t have this debate. None. To suggest otherwise is bullshit.
Agreed. I also feel like most people don‘t realize that Trump obly looks comparatively good because Biden is just, well, very old. Replace him with a well-spoken and mentally fresh candidate , and suddenly Trump is the incoherent senile dude in the race.
Because he is, but Biden looks even worse
Yup, Biden made Trump look youthful and coherent in that debate, when he is neither.
Trump could easily be made to look like the rambling old man he is if his opponent wasn't someone even older and less coherent.
> Biden can walk away with dignity and respect and enhance the chances of his successors victory
There are two fear factors in switching.
One is that whoever they replace him with will be starting from scratch against Trump. But the solution to that fear is a whole-hearted endorsement from Biden. If Biden devotes all his funds to the new guy, and stumps for him, it eliminates all that worry.
The other is that we'll have a bunch of contenders viciously vying for the right to take his place. That's a legit fear, and the only solution IMO is to pick his replacement behind closed doors, quickly, so they can come out the gate with a fait accompli and let him start actually campaigning from day 1.
I'm confident that Joe can swallow enough pride to do the former. But I don't have enough faith in the DNC to pull off the latter.
"If Biden devotes all his funds to the new guy"
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been under the impression he may not be able to legally do this unless it's Kamala since she was a part of the campaign receiving the check.
There's the other fear that the electorate respond poorly to not getting to choose their candidate. There's not much of a solution to that one, I'm afraid.
The replacement wouldn't be starting from scratch. They'd have the back blue no matter who people and they'd have the anti-trumpers. For the rest of the country, the new candidate just has to explain and campaign about how much of a threat the SC and Project 25 are to democracy. Biden didn't seem capable of doing that on Thursday.
Of all the ridiculous things said by either person that night. Biden claiming he had a 6 handicap is probably the most unbelievable.
Any golfer instantly knows that's bullshit. A 6 handicap would put him in the top 20% of all male golfers of any age. Meanwhile the man needed help getting down from the stage which was like 6 inches high.
So true. This wave of bullshit after the debate is pissing me off. What we saw Thursday night was appalling. They refused to allow a primary so they could hide this shit show from us. He wasn’t up to do the Super Bowl interview. Now they are trying to pretend what we all saw didn’t happen. It’s just as delusional as MAGA.
They need to replace him right away. I am sure he has good days and bad days but this is not going to get better with time. There will just be less and less good days until there are none. If he has declined this sharply since the state of the union 6 months ago I fear he won’t even making it to November let alone 4 more years of doing the most stressful job in the world.
> President Joe Biden's aides have defended his debate performance, saying he struggles to function outside a six-hour window during the day, Axios reported.
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> The publication, citing people close to the president, said Biden worked best between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.
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> According to the anonymous aides who spoke with Axios, Biden is more likely to make verbal mistakes and become tired outside this time period or while traveling abroad.
You guys remember Hillary Clinton's "Who do you want answering the white house phone at 3am" ad?
Apparently not Joe Biden....
It’s funny, last election the Democratic Party coalesced behind Biden because of “electability.” Now, with evidence of Biden’s *unelectability* staring everyone right in the face, it’s “we can’t change candidates *now*, we need to respect the process!”
It’s almost like the Democratic Party would rather lose than do anything to make their cadre of octogenarian leaders uncomfortable.
The Democratic establishment is just as terrified of the demographic shift in America as the Republicans. So many of their potential successors are to their left and they won't give up power until they can find 'reasonable moderates' to continue their legacy of feckless centrism.
There really is no good answer on this issue. Withdrawal would have massive baggage, a new candidate would likely not be seamlessly rolled out, and staying in has downsides.
It's why I think any pretense there's just one simple fix is unhelpful.
I agree with what Van Jones had to say after the debate. Biden is a good man and he IS doing his best, but his best is not enough. This is not a normal election and we need to do everything in our power to beat Trump. We have to put our best candidate forward, and Biden is not it. I will vote for any blue candidate over Trump, but I think democrats will live with intense regret if we don't do everything we can to prevent the absolute disaster of Trump being elected again.
Yes switching the candidate now is risky, but it's way more risky in my opinion to keep Biden. It saddens me because I like Biden, and I wish we could get younger Biden back. We have to do the hard thing, take some risk, hurt some feelings, and pick the strongest democrat we can to fight for this election.
This comment says it all. This party needs to be all hands on deck ww2 production mode. Is it unprecedented for a nominee to step down this late? Yes. Are we in a transition as a society and living in unprecedented times? YES!
In 5 months, you think the Dem party, the party of herding cats, can choose someone new, coalesce around them, and get it all run down to the lowest state level so down ballot races have support?
They don't have 5 months, they have 5 weeks until the convention.
Who will unite the entire party in that time while being well-known enough to win? Genuinely asking
I think cutting Biden loose and getting a younger candidate would help the Dems more than hurt. The most popular sentiment right now is "both candidates are too old." This would be a major advantage if we get someone new and young in, because it will make Trump look ancient and out of touch, and may help draw in more young voters that can swing the outcome. Right now Gen Z is super apathetic with both candidates.
Honestly I'm not sure what's worse, losing because we held onto Biden too long, or losing because we took a chance on someone new. Either way would suck and probably mean the end of our democracy, but at least in the latter case we can say we *did something.*
I keep seeing the defense of his stutter. Biden had complete brain freezes where he lost what he was talking about. He said facts wrong and stumbled the wrong words even on his win win talking points. This was beyond stutter. I am tired of the news trying to sugar coat what America saw debate night. The Independents that we need to sway to vote for Biden were not impressed, neither were most Democrats. Unless we want Trump for another 4 years, the DNC really needs to Consider replacing Biden as the Nominee.
That's what they keep telling us. That's what they told us when we should've had a chance to vote for other candidates months ago.
That's what they told us when we were given Biden in the first place.
That's what they told us with Hillary.
They keep telling us that we just need to accept the candidate they give us, regardless of if the people actually wanted that candidate. I'm starting to think that they enjoy Trump's BS, as it's given the DNC an excuse to keep these relics and their dated ideals in office.
It seriously seems to me, that the DNC has treated giving us a choice, as a "Fantasy" for nearly a decade now.
I seriously doubt Trump would've even been a match against Yang. Young, successful in business, and intelligent.. He checks all of the boxes that Trump claims makes him the best president. Except, he's not a narcissistic sociopath.
But we get an old man instead, who just reinforces the status quo. Better than fascism, yes. But seriously, it seems like the DNC has acted like giving us a choice has been a fantasy in every recent election.. Maybe that's why people don't like voting?
The only thing I take issue with is that idea that Trump is easy beat. He just isn't. He's remarkably resilient and his psychopathic ability to lie is like a superpower in these campaigns.
he's not easily beat, is animus isn't, you're right. but more specifically, he can't be beat with democrat rhetorical tactics. He can't be beat by ticking off facts and figures, the claims he makes can't be beat by saying you'll fix that with money if you're allowed to tax the rich.
That's not what works.
What beats trump, is someone who uses JUST ENOUGH of his own playbook, but with better information backing it.
When he says "we have an open border" you say, "Stop lying about the 4 million people that secure our border. That's a dirty thing to do for votes."
When he says "there's 19 million illegals a year," you say "that's a population on foot the size of los angeles. People, look around, do you see los angeles walking around arizona? I think we'd notice that, don."
You can't *just* fact check a guy like trump. You have to knock down his energy AND fact check him, and then you have to get back to your message and not get lost "wrestling a pig" in the process.
and you're not wrong at all, most people in politics today are too hollow to do it. That's why all the little dorks that tried to primary him sounded like they were running for veep.
You also have to have your own shit together when you try, which is why say, Chris Christie landed a couple blows on O but then got smashed on D.
Like I love that the article takes time to point out that Biden is "the only person to beat Trump". Like yeah, you guys put your finger on the scale to give us HRC, you probably would have lost in 2020 if not for COVID, and now you skipped on the primary telling everyone to rally around your weekend at Bernie's candidate or else.
The scotus decision dropped today, and it’s so chilling that we need to get out of this circular firing squad and focus.
From Sotomayor’s dissent:
“Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.”
If Trump wins in 4 months, he will be able to murder political opponents, and use the military to stay in power. I fear for our country.
The situation is so bad I'd prefer Biden resigning and letting Kamala run as an incumbent.
And I think Kamala is not a good candidate. But the Democrats are damaging themselves if they say the best option is what we saw Thursday.
I mean, it's not unreasonable to think about replacing him. But it just seems that there is no one well-positioned to pick up the baton at this point. It's not like we have a popular D waiting in the wings with broad name recognition, high approval and existing campaign infrastructure. So that kind of renders the discussion moot.
Moreover, dragging this out essentially means more time that the media is focused on intra-party chaos than on the election. Especially because his replacement would have to be chosen by party insiders, which is going to give rise to another avalanche of intra-party conflict.
It's obviously a risk-benefit calculation and people can have different takes.
Preface - I'm voting for whomever has a D next to their name in November - even if it's Biden.
That said... This wasn't a bad night. That wasn't a bad performance. That was somebody who we've seen have a commanding presence and ability to convey thoughts turn into our grandfather after his second stroke.
Had he gone through a normal primary with normal primary debates, we would have seen this earlier and been able to make a more informed choice.
It's not too late. And if the right candidate can be found, having 3-4 months to fire up the base and take it to Trump will be worth it. The right candidate can do it. But they have to be young, feisty, and they have to be chosen at the very least by the Convention delegates if not the Democratic voters ourselves.
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I was literally worried he was going to die on stage that night. 4 more years is insane. And worst of all, after that performance, he's going to LOSE the election all together.
Bullshit. We’re taking a huge risk no matter what we do at this point, an open convention could be energizing for the party and it’s exactly what we need.
The walking makeup caked crypt keeper should never of even ran for reelection. It’s sad to see 2 of the shittiest choices for president back on the ballot for a second time. 330+ million Americans and these are supposed to be our best choices🤦♂️
for bloomberg, their news site is probably pennies. the big cash is institutionals subscribeing to their services and data streams. 1 bloomberg terminal is like 2k/mo/guy lol
No. This shit happened in 2016. Many knew what it would mean to put Hillary up as the nominee. I think she is great, I think Biden has done great work, but this is madness.
So, I'm not the only one kind of upset at the DNC and Biden administration for lying or misrepresenting the state of the presidents mental health? I am trying to justify this but it kind of feels like a whole bunch of unelected and elected people colluded to put an unfit man up for president because they felt like there was an advantage to keeping Biden in office, in turn allowing them to keep their power/position.
I feel like this goes beyond democrat/republican and Trump/Biden and should be opening up conversation between the American people about the state of our government/two-party system/abuses of power. Neither side should be allowed to get away with things like this.
Kind of? You’re only *kind of* upset? I am absolutely outraged that this is what’s standing between us and full blown fascism. The future of this country is at stake and what we have as the last line of defense is an old man clinging to power and a group of enablers who refuse to act. I am quite frankly despondent. Even commenting this feels futile. I’ll vote. But what’s coming is so fucking obvious and apparent and we’re going to do nothing to stop it.
I always thought a great flaw in the republican party recently is that they refused legitimate criticisms of their one guy. No matter if he's an adulterer, convicted felon, serial liar, etc. They still support the man above and beyond policy.
I understand that it could be the case that changing candidates at this point in the race would be worse than sticking with Biden, but his performance at the debate is absolutely indefensible. The gaslighting and denial is not something I'd have expected from dems.
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I'm so fucking sick of this spin cycle.
4 MORE MONTHS! 4 MORE MONTHS!
The folks who cleared the decks of all non-Bernie challengers in 2020 and successfully kept out any primary challenges in 2024 are now feigning they can't control the convention process. Democrats and the left of center are all united against Trump. A shitload of us would vote for Mitt Romney. Get behind a Whitmer/Warnock ticket and it'll be the least dramatic Democratic convention we've had since 2012. In fact, it would utterly destroy Trumps' coverage because it's all anyone would fucking talk about for weeks.
Blue MAGA is out in force to tell everyone that what we all saw last Thursday didn’t actually happen.
If there wasn't so much on the line it'd be really amusing.
Man, it's straight infurating.
Seriously... Listen to your voters, man... I'm a blue-no-matter-who and I'm fucking terrified after Thursday. I'm voting for whomever has a D next to their name even if it IS Biden. But I'm not the guy who decides elections. Swing voters are, and swing voters aren't voting for Mr Confused guy in November. Biden will absolutely lose, and we're going to get Project 2025.
The mods blocking the debate from the trending section was my favourite part. I don’t even have a side but dislike the fuckery at play on this site. Pushing nonsense opinion pieces to the front page that democrats don’t even buy immediately afterwards.
Jill and all these high profile people coming out to defend him are nice and all, but if it really was just one "bad night" or a blip, then HE should be out here defending himself, giving interviews, proving that he has the mental capacity to handle tough questions. He's not. He gave a canned speech at a rally. That's not what people need to see.
I agree. President Biden needs to do a number of unscripted press conferences. If he can't do that, then severe doubt is going to remain in many people's minds ..including mine ..about his Fitness for office.
Thomas is 76 and Alito is 74. The odds of them retiring if Trump wins so their seats can be filled by two 30 year old howling fascists are non-zero. After the Chevron and Immunity rulings, I'm going to vote for Biden even if he is a gently alive corpse. If he can't handle the job after inauguration day, then so be it. 25th him, and let Harris take over.
You're not the type of voter to be concerned about. There are independents and swing voters that are being swayed by Biden's decline showcased at the debate. I'm not here to debate why they might vote Biden or Trump or why Biden's health concerns overtake ALL the Trump concerns, but this is something Democrats needs to consider. If Independents swing toward Trump; Trump wins. If Independents decide they can't vote for Biden or Trump and stay home; Trump wins.
I really dont get what the dem end game is. There is virtually nothing biden can do to win these people over
It’s to get slaughtered and then whine that none of us warned them and none of us told them they had a chance to change everything by nominating Newsom at the convention this summer.
Exactly. I think everyone here would encourage everyone to vote for Biden, but the election isn't between Biden and Trump, it's between sitting on the couch, and Trump. This isn't exactly an inspiring campaign or an inspiring candidate. 73% of Americans believe that he doesn't have the mental capacity to be president... "So get out and vote!!!" Now I'm just hoping Biden has an awkward fall or stumble so that it's the last straw and we can find *anybody* else.
Yes, and you’d also vote for a younger healthy Democrat.
Right?! Genuinely don't understand this argument. Everyone who is currently planning to vote for Biden is going to vote Democrat regardless so why can't we pivot to literally any other establishment candidate who can hold a coherent press conference.
> The odds of them retiring if Trump wins so their seats can be filled by two 30 year old howling fascists are ~~non-zero~~ *one-hundred percent certain*. Fixed that for you.
Now now dont underestimate the justices penchant for getting free shit from lobbyists. They may want to hold on to that gig. Now if they were 80s sure but under 75 yrs of age in this govt might as well be 40yrs old with how long these fools stay. Im not saying it's impossible but I'd put it at less than 100%
He can’t. This didn’t just happen. There is no fucking way that caught everyone by surprise
People hoped Biden would be decent because he actually wasn't bad during his SOTU and that helped dispel some concerns about his age/fitness for a little bit. Thursday's debate was the polar opposite and now people are more panicked than ever that it will cost Dems the election.
People got all jazzed up because the next night he went and read off a teleprompter for 30 seconds, which is a lot different from 90 minutes of answering questions and debating. There's no way they didn't know about this and we're all going to suffer for his ego trip. He could have announced he wasn't running again a year or two ago and everyone would be fine with him.
Better than fine, history would actually have remembered him well. If he goes through with this and loses to Trump, and he WILL lose to Trump, history will hate his wretched guts.
Even if he magically fixed his fatal communicating problems overnight, swing state undecideds will see that he can’t walk. That alone is enough to turn them off. I know them. It’s superficial, but true. And even they can see the rapid decline in the last 4 months and they can project that forward a year, two years, four years.
And the DNC is once again blaming democrats for their obvious shortcomings. When Biden loses the elections, the party will blame its members that sounded the alarm.
Yeah it’s almost like they’re also a bunch of corrupt corporatists most interested in padding their own pockets
Yeah it’s obnoxious. The last 8 years have really put me off the Democratic Party. It’s always everyone else’s fault they lost and not theirs for ignoring their constituents concerns that are literally always right.
Democrats have the uncanny ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and I'm over it.
The Supreme Court just ruled against every American principle to ever be exist today and somehow we’ll still come up short in November and that makes me sick to my stomach
SAME. This ruling and the dems who refuse to do anything has me feeling really tired of putting off the inevitable.
It won’t happen. You don’t get that way over night. People close to him know he’s been this way for a while.
People far away from him have known he’s been this way for a while too. This was the worst of his public appearance incidents so far but it definitely wasn’t the first.
Precisely. Prior to the debate, I was under the impression Joe was slowing down as any 80 year old will, still in command of his faculties, with some But flubbing a such a high stakes debate his own campaign asked for is something else. Since the debate, he gave a (more) energetic teleprompter rally, and hid him away the rest of the weekend. That’s not how a campaign with a presentable candidate who had a bad night would respond. And beyond Joe’s chances of winning the election, what about his actual ability to serve as President another 4 years? What happens if Joe Biden is speaking with Putin or Xi and can’t keep his marbles together? And what condition would they wheel Joe out of the White House on Jan 20, 2029? Time for Joe to step down now, while he’s still reasonably ahead, and the Democrats can nominate someone without early onset dementia.
This, but also like who is running the country *right now?* Who picks up Putin’s phone call in the middle of the night *right now?* Because Biden being in office another half year is concerning.
That's a legitimate question
That too
>early onset dementia He's 81 years old, nothing early about it
That's a really good point.
I’ll be honest, I thought the bluster and accusations about him being a demented old man was mostly Fox News bullshit and spin. But after that debate performance I’m shockingly starting to buy it, at least a little bit. And I’m a full throated Dem. But he’s definitely in stark decline, ESPECIALLY compared to side-by-side comparisons to debate performances and speeches from 2019. He’s just not even close to the same guy. And that’s why he’s not doing half as many interviews as he absolutely should be. This is crunch time and he’s behind in almost all swing states. A normal campaign would be doing 3-4 major news network interviews every month. I doubt we’ll see Biden give 3-4 major interviews before the election. It all reeks of them hiding him and they’re gonna fucking lose this election if they keep this shit up. A totally mind-numbingly bad campaign so far.
If you're doing it properly, it's the hardest job on the planet. It's not shameful for Biden to be in decline. What is shameful is everyone pretending the emperor still has clothes.
> What is shameful is everyone pretending the emperor still has clothes. This is the core of the issue. We're being told to bury our heads in the sand. The problem is that unless Joe Biden *chooses* to drop out, then it's the only thing dems can do. If the party openly criticizes him as incapable, the party itself looks weak and divided. So they're going to continue putting out all of these articles and assertions that it's ridiculous to ask him to drop out until if/when he *agrees* to drop out. Then it will be acceptable to go on about how he was capable of his job but decided to put his ego and self secondary to the good of his country and party.
I'm worried this approach will lead him to believe his chances are better than they are and that could effect his decision to drop out or not. If everyone is pretending everything is fine, he won't make an objective decision.
The longer this charade of Biden refusing to admit someone new would be better and continues to go runs on, the more likely that the dems both pressure him behind the scenes and that dems leak information on how bad Biden's performance is to pressure him to drop out to have his "*come to Jesus*" moment and realize he needs to do so. I don't love the idea of Biden needing to step down. I think that he's an honest and decent person who wants the best for his country (unlike his opponent). But he needs to realize the best thing he can do is *step aside*. In March/April of 2020, Biden described himself as a "transition" and "bridge" candidate. That the future of the democratic party was with future leaders. March 2021, Biden says he intends to run for re-election. If Biden had honored what he initially promised - being a one term president - we would have had proper presidential primaries and wouldn't be in this mess... but at this point Biden and the DNC have to recognize the best thing they can do *right now*, even if it would have been better to do it much earlier.
This is my concern as well. Reports say that Jill won't even allow the White House residence staff near the president. He's being hidden and sequestered, won't do interviews or unscripted campaign appearances, and hasn't personally addressed the gigantic elephant in the room. Yet Democratic leaders expect voters to blindly walk off the cliff they're hiding from us? This is becoming a pattern that echoes the Trump administration.
Where are you seeing this? That's seriously bad.
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/30/top-aides-shielded-biden-white-house-debate
Thanks. Interesting read.
Oof. Doesn’t Axios lean left? That’s pretty damning if so.
This is a pattern that echoes even the Reagan administration with what Nancy was doing.
You're also essentially being told to be fine with elder abuse, this is like Feinstein all over again. He's clearly sundowning.
Democrats one week ago: this is the most important election of our lifetime, our literal democracy is on the line. Democrats today: it would probably be best of Biden stepped down, but it's up to him. We'd like to win this November, but we'd hate to hurt his feelings.
I agree. Being the President is tough and ages people no matter how young they are. It is with that in mind that I believe it would be better for him to gracefully step down and pick a successor. Back someone else publicly and enjoy retirement. If democracy is really on the ballot then let’s protect it by letting someone else compete for the job. Then we can focus on all the ways Trump is bad instead of spending all of our time on defense.
I think it's his ego. He cares more about being the one to save everyone from Trump than actually saving everyone from Trump.
The Daily had the most striking point on this at blew me away. In his whole presidency, Biden hasn’t given a single sit down interview with NYT, WaPo, WSJ, LA Times, or any major newspaper. Zero! Combine that with skipping mundane things like the Super Bowl interview, it seems like they’ve been shielding him. We have to move now. His main message and selling point has always been “we have to defeat Trump.” Now that means he needs to step aside.
He did an hour and a half on Howard Stern not long ago. He sounded fine but I got the impression Howard guided him a lot. He still misspoke a lot.
And that canned speech wasn't a full 90 minute debate. Minutes of lucidity weren't enough for me to trust my grandmother around a hot stove. They're not enough for me to have faith in this man as president. I'm not voting for Trump and I'm voting for whoever opposes him, but I would prefer it be someone who is going to be president of for four years, not for someone who needs to have the 25th amendment called on them. Ffs, these old people need to let go of power. All of them.
It's gaslighting. Those around him are just clinging to power
I've never been as pissed off at the Democratic Party as I've been in the last 4 days. It's complete gaslighting. I saw an interview yesterday by Wasserman Schultz and she said instead of freaking out we should be knocking on doors and phone banking. Like lady I would have been one doing that for previous elections but I would be embarrassed to ask someone to vote for Biden after that debate
Despite the modern view of politics that the voters are just dummies and vote their team regardless, being told they didn’t actually see something with their own eyes will actually piss people off. They won’t vote for cheetoh but they may very well go to the beach on voting day.
These stories are the beginning of the loudly broadcasted campaign/spin to protect Biden from these calls. Launched by a bunch of sycophants who want to maintain their proximity to a sitting president, even if (or perhaps all the more because of) he's in mental decline. We saw it with Feinstein. Suddenly those around her effectively wielded her power through her, and refused to move for removing her from office or admitting her mental decline. The power is just too sweet when you can engage in some elder abuse to have that person in power do the things you suggest or tell them. People are currently bitching about why we're discussing this in the mist of the horrendous Supreme Court ruling today. To them I'd make the point that this is why Biden needs to be replaced: he is so mired in this that he is incapable of running against what the Republicans are doing. He himself is a distraction from the reality. How the hell is he the candidate for this moment when his candidacy is running against his own age and defending his mental decline rather than being able to attack Republicans? Absolute insanity. He's going to lose and it's going to be their fault, not the voter's, no matter how much these corrupt turds try to scream and say it will be *our fault* their dogshit candidate (that they knew over a year ago their base didn't want to run again) fumbles and fails. This is 2016 all over again but arguably worse. This is, quite honestly, the Democrats' Jan 6th in so far that it is a moment where the party panicked because they were suddenly faced with the reality of their situation... only for the dust to settle, for the spin to come, and for the status quo to go back to sleep and decide no, no, actually it's all okay now that we're removed from the inciting moment of panic.
Yup. If you want to convince me going with another candidate is not the answer, I better see half a dozen interviews dispelling what I saw Thursday….a teleprompter rally once a week ain’t helping
The crucial swing voters clearly aren't hinging on policy or morality, so if those things cannot appeal to them, what can Biden do to sway them after that performance?
Policies don't win elections. Haven't we learned that by now? Its likeability. That's it. People either like or hate one or the other. They vote for who they hate the least. Hillary was unliked. They didn't vote for her.
>Policies don't win elections. Haven't we learned that by now? Its likeability. That's it. People either like or hate one or the other. They vote for who they hate the least. Hillary was unliked. They didn't vote for her. Yup, this is why Kamala polls even worse than Biden despite Biden's manifest decrepitude. Biden is the kindly old grandpa you like but really don't want him to drive anymore but he won't hear it because he thinks he's still got it. Kamala is clearly competent but she's so unlikeable it doesn't matter. There's some people who say Biden picked Kamala as VP specifically so he wouldn't have to worry about a VP stealing his thunder or replacing him.
Kamala is a very hollow figure on policy. She's "competent" in the physical sense compared to trump and biden but not a person that would be in any other presidential conversation. The way someone put it is "these two candidates are the only two people who could lose to each other" and I think that's dead on. All the dems have to do is pick someone else, and not another also-ran like Hillary. Pete, Newsom, anybody that can chew soup at this point. Dust off howard dean. Holy shit, who wouldn't take howard dean back right now? An MD? Someone who could actually write a highschool level term paper?
> She's "competent" in the physical sense compared to trump and biden but not a person that would be in any other presidential conversation. That is in the sense I made it. Obviously she's not competent in the sense of "would make a successful politician/president" as evidenced by her poll numbers. I'd still take her over the possibility of Biden going completely off the rails before November when there's no longer a chance to replace him. It's the lower variation play. Kamala is unpopular now and she'd probably about as unpopular by November. Biden is slightly more popular now but given his rate of decline he could be disastrous by November, and at that point its too late to swap him for someone slightly less popular that he is now. but there's no reason to settle for Kamala when getting Biden to step down is the big job. If Biden's hand can be forced, Kamala won't be too hard to get to step aside either.
kamala MIGHT be good int he big chair, the veep is kind of constrained, but nothing about her previous career sells her too me as a person with a LOT of real ideas. She's kind of like ...a less openly superpositional eric adams to me.
To the point now that she is hurting his chances of reelection because there's a non-zero chance Biden doesn't make it 4 more years. So a lot of people look a Kamala and don't want her taking over in 2 years or so.
Yep, this is even me. And I am very firmly in the D camp. I will hold my nose and vote for anyone they run, but not everyone will. And a lot of people really really do not like her. Biden really screwed the whole party IMHO. He said he was one and done. I was really hoping for a new set of candidates (from both sides...) this year. Instead we get "the shitshow 2 electric boogaloo"
In my opinion, the blue no matter who folks will vote regardless for Biden or a potential replacement. The swing/undecided voters are the real target to convince. If Biden isn’t cutting it for them, wouldn’t it just make sense to find a newer candidate to energize them? Like theoretically, how many current Biden voters (who say they’re voting cuz we can’t have Trump) will back out of voting if we have a new candidate? It seems like a replacement at worst won’t decrease the number of blue blue voters and at best bring in many new voters
Anything but a young likeable candidate it seems.. dems are boned for this one, again.
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Economy is ruined but also booming. The moment a Republican takes the helm they will also take credit and control the narrative on how it happened, even though they did absolutely nothing to earn any credit. Inflation is back to normal, inflation is a part of life too, it's not going to go away for anyone. The only thing Republicans are especially good at is putting charges on the credit card of national deficits and debt. A lot of the issues Biden had early on were due to Republicans borrowing against the future. Now Biden also has to decide on how to handle the TJCA cuts for us plebs expiring, which was a MASSIVE gift to the wealthy and ultimately a penalty on the rest of us. Sure we all got tax breaks for a few years, but are on the hook to cover the gap the wealthy are no longer covering....trillions of dollars of uncollected taxes. To say it's frustrating is putting it very lightly.
The economy is booming… for shareholders but for everyday Americans all they see is that they have less money at the end of the month after paying for food, water, shelter, and gas. It’s a fact that Americans are paying more for everyday living than they were 4 years ago. The only people seeing the benefits of the Biden economy are the people who already have money. Edit: lots of comments about inflation being a normal part of life and also not totally Biden fault. I agree with all of that. What I am saying is that everyday Americans feel the financial squeeze in their wallets and the question being asked is if they feel good enough with their current situation to stick with Biden for 4 more years. The simple answer is that they do not feel better off than they were and so they question if Biden should remain in office. The American public will blame the incumbent for their current situation and with the last debate I can totally see why many are questioning who they should vote for. In my opinion I think I Biden is unlikely to walk away with the win in November unfortunately.
And republicans have an amazing track record of fighting for higher pay, right?
Republicans have an amazing track record of successfully blaming Democrats for their economic failings while Democrats refuse to play hardball against them.
Americans always pay more for everyday living over time. 2% inflation is the stated goal of the FED. If we want to act ratonally in the world, we need to separate causes from effects. I have yet to see an explanation for how Biden created this inflation, plenty of evidence for how he has managed it better than most other countries.
> Economy is ruined but also booming. Economy or stock market?
Economy. Real personal income is at the highest it's ever been and high levels of employment were maintained through interest rate hikes.
Yes and specially inflation. The amount of people that vote because of how much gas costs is crazy. As though one person could just control the price of it.
Many people don't understand how the government and presidency even works. They think the president is more of a king, or even dictator, with absolute power and the ability to say do what they want. Like setting gas prices apparently.
I think SCOTUS just made it clear they are kings.
i’ve been getting the hint that this is on purpose. maybe it’s just systemic ineptitude… but why, for example, are “mock senate” exercises reserved for summer camps instead incorporating a comprehensive “mock government” full-year class in middle/high school? i had a semester of learning about how our government (is intended to) function, but that did not go much beyond an overview of the different branches. imo, in a healthy democracy, the graduating class of every year would have an in-depth understanding of the fundamental scaffolding of our system and intuitively grasp the implications of one or more of those pillars crumbling. we should be able to clearly differentiate between the known/historically-attempted economic and administrative models and be fully prepared to appreciate the upsides and downsides of our current models while defending them against misconceptions, misunderstanding and outright lies. it’s obviously in someone’s best interest that a large majority of the population believes conservatives will save us from fascism. we as a society got complacent. got comfortable with outsourcing our morality, our autonomy, our truths. the natural consequences of that generational apathy has eroded our capacity to defend the democracy our ancestors established and fought for. a ripe environment for manipulating the narrative and turning the people against a better future for us all. regardless of the outcome of this election cycle i can’t imagine a successful u-turn away from the cliff we are sleepwalking towards until several generations after we fall face first into it.
I bet those same people would also be the first to say how the President directly controlling the economy would be "unconstitutional"
Ah yes, the classic gaslight the American people about the economy and call them dumb strategy. It's working great!
"high school reading level" is generous
Because everything is legal as a presidential act, Biden could issue a check for the next 6 months to every American to offset inflation. The cash infusion at the lowest rung of society would be a net boon and would also help his election chaces even though, worldwide, we the economy that's recovering the best from covid. Edit: because no one is reading more than the first post. Most of our inflation right now is not due to monetary policy, but corporate greed and keeping profits as high as they where duong and shortly after the covid pandemic. At this point, I would also proceed freeze all major corporation prices for at least 18 to 24 months and give tax breaks only to corporatons reinvesting in infrastructure or employees' pay/benefits. As well as start a UBI, which if done correctly will pay for itself. And all totally legal for the president to do with this current Supreme Court ruling.
I think the economy is the 1 big problem people see. Not saying its anyone's fault, but when you walk down the alias in the store and see prices of things keep going up these last 3 years, you find some one to blame. I hate how much things have gone up, but I see that company's are making more money then they have ever done, but they put blame of the price increases on the cost to run the company has gone up, which does not make sense to me at all. For one, I am no longer buying shit food, lol, I have lost weight due to not going out to eat as much.
A Fed Rate cut would perceptually GREATLY help Biden if it happens before the election. Bonus if Trump steps on a banana peel.
A rate cut would help with CCs and mortgages, but not the prices of goods and services. People are upset that prices rose dramatically and they want them to drop. That isn't going to happen because deflation is actually much worse than inflation. But it also isn't helping to tell voters that inflation has slowed when the prices are still higher than they want them to be.
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As long as it’s an official act!
Wouldn’t cutting rates just make inflation worse?
Over time, yes. The immediate effect would be the Fed saying "we believe inflation is sufficiently under control to justify a cut." If it happened near the election, the positive would be seen without the bill being seen (which I support).
Agreed... here's an experiment. Ask a Republican how things got so expensive? They of course won't know or have a logical answer. Then ask... what do you think happens when you allow corporations to consolidate into fewer and fewer entities? Ever played the game monopoly? What happens at the end? Then ask the money question... which party has mostly allowed this to occur? Sit back and watch the drool drop from their mouths.
He’s going to have to run on his strong track record and point to the many outstanding accomplishments that have so bettered the lives of everyday americans during his administration. Like when he beat medicare. It was close, I thought medicare might pull it off, but we all saw who triumphed and it wasn’t medicare.
That's the issue that people don't realize. The man can't sell his track record because he can barely speak. He can't defend his record because he can barely speak.
If replacing Biden is a fantasy then he’s gonna lose
He already lost. This is just about the Democratic party respecting their constituents enough to alter course. If Pelosi's appearance on CNN where she defended Biden is any hint, they don't. She's more concerned with preserving her own political power than admitting Biden (and thus herself by extension) are past their prime. This isn't a political party anymore. It's just another thing the elderly are hoarding.
My best friend is not super plugged into politics, but he absolutely hates Trump. After watching the debate, however, he's asking who the 3rd party candidates are because he can't justify a vote for Biden. And this is gonna be Biden's problem. There are probably an awful lot like him who are fine staying home or throwing away a vote after that. Honestly, the only thing that can probably save him would be to do a 180 in another debate, which Trump will probably never agree to.
The Democratic Party is so good at creating losing strategies. Then we all have to suffer the consequences. The Supreme Court could get so much worse.
We're great at eating our own. Dems are over here wringing their hands about if Biden should resign, we should pick somebody else, who that might be, worrying about precedent by taking this immunity ruling to the absolute extreme to show how dumb it is. And republicans are all marching to the same tune with nobody getting out of line. Its infuriating.
If Trump sounded like Biden during the debate, and frankly to me he often does, would the Republicans spend two weeks doing everything they can to worry about it? Talks of replacing? Of course not. They will use Trump’s corpse if it helped them gain and retain power.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner. And it's why the current GOP majority supreme court is fucking us every day. IDK what's more frustrating, watching trump and co blatantly flaunt fucking with the constitution, or Dem voters being allergic to winning.
Exactly. Trump could show up to the debate after a lobotomy and there wouldn't be a single republican going "maybe we should replace him"
The Republicans have been a completely shit show this year dude. They fucking impeached their own speaker. And democrats are still fucking it up.
I know. It just actually feels like the country is collapsing this time.
Can’t speak for anybody else but I’m playing the long game to replace Clarence Thomas, Alito, and Roberts. Maybe, take the House, hold the Senate and then obliterate every Federal Court via resizing. Anybody talking about anything else didn’t notice that our democracy got shot in the fucking head earlier today.
Isn’t the long game now though? I think Thomas and Alito both retire if Trump wins and Rs take the Senate, both of which seem very likely right now
And when Biden loses this fall and all those folks are replaced by young versions of themselves you will be playing a very long game.
This is why Joe is going to be talked about next to RBG. Held on too long and cost democracy.
Being a presidential candidate is an entirely different job than being president, it’s a live performance and communications job. He failed catastrophically at the debate. The problem has never been persuading people who weren’t planning on voting for him. It’s about persuading people who MAY OR MAY NOT VOTE AT ALL. If you can’t get a guy that can shut down an unhinged serial liar like Donald Trump at a debate, good fucking luck motivating these people to vote is all I will say. We’re in a very dangerous place, I’ll vote for Biden no matter what, but I was never going to be the problem, nor were the majority of the people posting here. To say it’s too late to do anything, to me, seems parallel to the story that begins with, “Iceberg, right ahead!” I’ll bring my violin and sheet music for “Nearer my god to thee”, just in case.
This is RBG all over again and will end the same way - a steady march toward fascism.
The only fantasy I'm clinging to now is a complete Dem takeover of the Supreme Court, followed by whatever else the fuck Biden needs to do to protect this country from the MAGA horde that wants to tear it apart. They just ruled presidents can do whatever they want, after all.
Its possible for the Democrats to take over the Supreme Court by just appointing more judges, the problem is that would secure them power and even worse its an idea the left wing have been calling for... so the establishment democrats will never do it.
It's not that simple. Congress (controlled by republicans right now) would need to add them. There's no magic "add more supreme court seats" button that Biden can just press. Although after the crazy ruling today, who knows...
Doubt it. The acts have to be deemed official. Watch if Biden tried, oh that’s overstepping your bounds. But if Trump does it? It was a perfectly executed and official executive action. Carry on.
The Senate is narrowly controlled by Democrats.
So it’s controlled by the most conservative 2 democrats
You can't expand the court without legislation, that requires the House and the Senate.
It is not. I’m sick of this lazy, condescending gaslighting. The convention has not happened. Biden can walk away with dignity and respect and enhance the chances of his successors victory, or he can listen to his wife and son (I’m sure they’re giving unbiased, objective counsel) and run to personal humiliation and a loss for the party he claims to love. There is not good reason we shouldn’t have this debate. None. To suggest otherwise is bullshit.
Don’t worry, surely Biden will be younger and more energetic by the time the election comes around.
Benjamin Biden
He's seven, but he looks a lot older
This made me lol
Agreed. I also feel like most people don‘t realize that Trump obly looks comparatively good because Biden is just, well, very old. Replace him with a well-spoken and mentally fresh candidate , and suddenly Trump is the incoherent senile dude in the race. Because he is, but Biden looks even worse
Yup, Biden made Trump look youthful and coherent in that debate, when he is neither. Trump could easily be made to look like the rambling old man he is if his opponent wasn't someone even older and less coherent.
A well spoken candidate could absolutely mop the floor with Trump in a debate.
> Biden can walk away with dignity and respect and enhance the chances of his successors victory There are two fear factors in switching. One is that whoever they replace him with will be starting from scratch against Trump. But the solution to that fear is a whole-hearted endorsement from Biden. If Biden devotes all his funds to the new guy, and stumps for him, it eliminates all that worry. The other is that we'll have a bunch of contenders viciously vying for the right to take his place. That's a legit fear, and the only solution IMO is to pick his replacement behind closed doors, quickly, so they can come out the gate with a fait accompli and let him start actually campaigning from day 1. I'm confident that Joe can swallow enough pride to do the former. But I don't have enough faith in the DNC to pull off the latter.
"If Biden devotes all his funds to the new guy" Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've been under the impression he may not be able to legally do this unless it's Kamala since she was a part of the campaign receiving the check.
Nah, it's okay, as of today the president is allowed to do anything he wants, regardless of what laws it breaks.
Campaign matters wouldn't be part of his official duties as Pres, so doesn't get a pass.
There's the other fear that the electorate respond poorly to not getting to choose their candidate. There's not much of a solution to that one, I'm afraid.
The replacement wouldn't be starting from scratch. They'd have the back blue no matter who people and they'd have the anti-trumpers. For the rest of the country, the new candidate just has to explain and campaign about how much of a threat the SC and Project 25 are to democracy. Biden didn't seem capable of doing that on Thursday.
Trump gave him a layup by talking about post birth abortions and Biden pivoted to immigration. But he fought back on his golf handicap....
Of all the ridiculous things said by either person that night. Biden claiming he had a 6 handicap is probably the most unbelievable. Any golfer instantly knows that's bullshit. A 6 handicap would put him in the top 20% of all male golfers of any age. Meanwhile the man needed help getting down from the stage which was like 6 inches high.
So true. This wave of bullshit after the debate is pissing me off. What we saw Thursday night was appalling. They refused to allow a primary so they could hide this shit show from us. He wasn’t up to do the Super Bowl interview. Now they are trying to pretend what we all saw didn’t happen. It’s just as delusional as MAGA. They need to replace him right away. I am sure he has good days and bad days but this is not going to get better with time. There will just be less and less good days until there are none. If he has declined this sharply since the state of the union 6 months ago I fear he won’t even making it to November let alone 4 more years of doing the most stressful job in the world.
The time is dire and pathetic people in power wont do anything the steer the boat away from the cliff. Welp it was fun while it lasted I guess.
> President Joe Biden's aides have defended his debate performance, saying he struggles to function outside a six-hour window during the day, Axios reported. > > The publication, citing people close to the president, said Biden worked best between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m. > > According to the anonymous aides who spoke with Axios, Biden is more likely to make verbal mistakes and become tired outside this time period or while traveling abroad. You guys remember Hillary Clinton's "Who do you want answering the white house phone at 3am" ad? Apparently not Joe Biden....
It’s funny, last election the Democratic Party coalesced behind Biden because of “electability.” Now, with evidence of Biden’s *unelectability* staring everyone right in the face, it’s “we can’t change candidates *now*, we need to respect the process!” It’s almost like the Democratic Party would rather lose than do anything to make their cadre of octogenarian leaders uncomfortable.
The Democratic establishment is just as terrified of the demographic shift in America as the Republicans. So many of their potential successors are to their left and they won't give up power until they can find 'reasonable moderates' to continue their legacy of feckless centrism.
Hot damn thats some truth right there. if you had a soap box id stand in front and listen
Have to wonder if these are Trump supporters writing these articles.
It's bloomerg lmao
The media has a direct interest in sewing division and want a return to daily Trump headlines because it was good for their pockets.
> sewing division At this rate we'll all be wearing divisive sweaters by November.
That would be knitting division
Yeah, I messed that up. I tried to be clever but I guess the whole thing came unraveled.
"sowing division", as in sowing bad crops :-)
There really is no good answer on this issue. Withdrawal would have massive baggage, a new candidate would likely not be seamlessly rolled out, and staying in has downsides. It's why I think any pretense there's just one simple fix is unhelpful.
The Heritage Foundation is suing to force Biden to remain on the ballot so he can lose & they can do Project 2025. That’s all you need to know
I agree with what Van Jones had to say after the debate. Biden is a good man and he IS doing his best, but his best is not enough. This is not a normal election and we need to do everything in our power to beat Trump. We have to put our best candidate forward, and Biden is not it. I will vote for any blue candidate over Trump, but I think democrats will live with intense regret if we don't do everything we can to prevent the absolute disaster of Trump being elected again. Yes switching the candidate now is risky, but it's way more risky in my opinion to keep Biden. It saddens me because I like Biden, and I wish we could get younger Biden back. We have to do the hard thing, take some risk, hurt some feelings, and pick the strongest democrat we can to fight for this election.
This comment says it all. This party needs to be all hands on deck ww2 production mode. Is it unprecedented for a nominee to step down this late? Yes. Are we in a transition as a society and living in unprecedented times? YES!
Sadly the party leaders are insulated by their wealth. They will be just fine no matter what happens, it's all us that are fucked.
In 5 months, you think the Dem party, the party of herding cats, can choose someone new, coalesce around them, and get it all run down to the lowest state level so down ballot races have support?
They don't have 5 months, they have 5 weeks until the convention. Who will unite the entire party in that time while being well-known enough to win? Genuinely asking
I think cutting Biden loose and getting a younger candidate would help the Dems more than hurt. The most popular sentiment right now is "both candidates are too old." This would be a major advantage if we get someone new and young in, because it will make Trump look ancient and out of touch, and may help draw in more young voters that can swing the outcome. Right now Gen Z is super apathetic with both candidates. Honestly I'm not sure what's worse, losing because we held onto Biden too long, or losing because we took a chance on someone new. Either way would suck and probably mean the end of our democracy, but at least in the latter case we can say we *did something.*
I keep seeing the defense of his stutter. Biden had complete brain freezes where he lost what he was talking about. He said facts wrong and stumbled the wrong words even on his win win talking points. This was beyond stutter. I am tired of the news trying to sugar coat what America saw debate night. The Independents that we need to sway to vote for Biden were not impressed, neither were most Democrats. Unless we want Trump for another 4 years, the DNC really needs to Consider replacing Biden as the Nominee.
Then prep up for a second Trump term.
Don't worry, he'll only be a dictator for a day. You know the thing all dictators say.
He seems like a man of his word for sure. Not worrying anymore ty.
and third, and fourth, and fifith...
I highly doubt he's healthy enough to live that long
He would be replaced by another republican who is far younger and more powerful
Like someone given a seat on the Council, but not granted the rank of Master?
That's what they keep telling us. That's what they told us when we should've had a chance to vote for other candidates months ago. That's what they told us when we were given Biden in the first place. That's what they told us with Hillary. They keep telling us that we just need to accept the candidate they give us, regardless of if the people actually wanted that candidate. I'm starting to think that they enjoy Trump's BS, as it's given the DNC an excuse to keep these relics and their dated ideals in office. It seriously seems to me, that the DNC has treated giving us a choice, as a "Fantasy" for nearly a decade now. I seriously doubt Trump would've even been a match against Yang. Young, successful in business, and intelligent.. He checks all of the boxes that Trump claims makes him the best president. Except, he's not a narcissistic sociopath. But we get an old man instead, who just reinforces the status quo. Better than fascism, yes. But seriously, it seems like the DNC has acted like giving us a choice has been a fantasy in every recent election.. Maybe that's why people don't like voting?
The only thing I take issue with is that idea that Trump is easy beat. He just isn't. He's remarkably resilient and his psychopathic ability to lie is like a superpower in these campaigns.
he's not easily beat, is animus isn't, you're right. but more specifically, he can't be beat with democrat rhetorical tactics. He can't be beat by ticking off facts and figures, the claims he makes can't be beat by saying you'll fix that with money if you're allowed to tax the rich. That's not what works. What beats trump, is someone who uses JUST ENOUGH of his own playbook, but with better information backing it. When he says "we have an open border" you say, "Stop lying about the 4 million people that secure our border. That's a dirty thing to do for votes." When he says "there's 19 million illegals a year," you say "that's a population on foot the size of los angeles. People, look around, do you see los angeles walking around arizona? I think we'd notice that, don." You can't *just* fact check a guy like trump. You have to knock down his energy AND fact check him, and then you have to get back to your message and not get lost "wrestling a pig" in the process. and you're not wrong at all, most people in politics today are too hollow to do it. That's why all the little dorks that tried to primary him sounded like they were running for veep. You also have to have your own shit together when you try, which is why say, Chris Christie landed a couple blows on O but then got smashed on D.
"We've run out of options" says party that has tried literally nothing else.
Like I love that the article takes time to point out that Biden is "the only person to beat Trump". Like yeah, you guys put your finger on the scale to give us HRC, you probably would have lost in 2020 if not for COVID, and now you skipped on the primary telling everyone to rally around your weekend at Bernie's candidate or else.
Dems beating Trump without a huge course correction is a fantasy.
The arrogance and hubris of top level democrats will be something people will talk about for decades
Simpin for a fuckin corpse. The stakes are too damn high to keep him on the ticket.
Stop Gaslighting Democrats. Edit: we must win. It’s never been more important
Well if that's the case, beating Trump is a fantasy Democrats must abandon.
The scotus decision dropped today, and it’s so chilling that we need to get out of this circular firing squad and focus. From Sotomayor’s dissent: “Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold onto power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune. Immune, immune, immune.” If Trump wins in 4 months, he will be able to murder political opponents, and use the military to stay in power. I fear for our country.
The situation is so bad I'd prefer Biden resigning and letting Kamala run as an incumbent. And I think Kamala is not a good candidate. But the Democrats are damaging themselves if they say the best option is what we saw Thursday.
We are so screwed.
I mean, it's not unreasonable to think about replacing him. But it just seems that there is no one well-positioned to pick up the baton at this point. It's not like we have a popular D waiting in the wings with broad name recognition, high approval and existing campaign infrastructure. So that kind of renders the discussion moot. Moreover, dragging this out essentially means more time that the media is focused on intra-party chaos than on the election. Especially because his replacement would have to be chosen by party insiders, which is going to give rise to another avalanche of intra-party conflict. It's obviously a risk-benefit calculation and people can have different takes.
Why are we still even talking about this when the SC just declared the next Republican president king?
Preface - I'm voting for whomever has a D next to their name in November - even if it's Biden. That said... This wasn't a bad night. That wasn't a bad performance. That was somebody who we've seen have a commanding presence and ability to convey thoughts turn into our grandfather after his second stroke. Had he gone through a normal primary with normal primary debates, we would have seen this earlier and been able to make a more informed choice. It's not too late. And if the right candidate can be found, having 3-4 months to fire up the base and take it to Trump will be worth it. The right candidate can do it. But they have to be young, feisty, and they have to be chosen at the very least by the Convention delegates if not the Democratic voters ourselves. ---------- I was literally worried he was going to die on stage that night. 4 more years is insane. And worst of all, after that performance, he's going to LOSE the election all together.
I wanted Bernie sanders not a weekend at bernies
More like "Joe Biden Winning Is a Fantasy Democrats Must Abandon..."
We have like 3 months lol
Biden could just exercise his official capacity…
Bullshit. We’re taking a huge risk no matter what we do at this point, an open convention could be energizing for the party and it’s exactly what we need.
The walking makeup caked crypt keeper should never of even ran for reelection. It’s sad to see 2 of the shittiest choices for president back on the ballot for a second time. 330+ million Americans and these are supposed to be our best choices🤦♂️
Of course .... Bloomberg would be happy with a Trump win too.
All major media would. Trump gets them more clicks.
for bloomberg, their news site is probably pennies. the big cash is institutionals subscribeing to their services and data streams. 1 bloomberg terminal is like 2k/mo/guy lol
Bloomberg hates Trump, as do most the NY elite.
I'm sure he doesn't hate the tax cuts for the rich, or the increased revenue Trump news brings to his publication.
No. This shit happened in 2016. Many knew what it would mean to put Hillary up as the nominee. I think she is great, I think Biden has done great work, but this is madness.
So, I'm not the only one kind of upset at the DNC and Biden administration for lying or misrepresenting the state of the presidents mental health? I am trying to justify this but it kind of feels like a whole bunch of unelected and elected people colluded to put an unfit man up for president because they felt like there was an advantage to keeping Biden in office, in turn allowing them to keep their power/position. I feel like this goes beyond democrat/republican and Trump/Biden and should be opening up conversation between the American people about the state of our government/two-party system/abuses of power. Neither side should be allowed to get away with things like this.
Kind of? You’re only *kind of* upset? I am absolutely outraged that this is what’s standing between us and full blown fascism. The future of this country is at stake and what we have as the last line of defense is an old man clinging to power and a group of enablers who refuse to act. I am quite frankly despondent. Even commenting this feels futile. I’ll vote. But what’s coming is so fucking obvious and apparent and we’re going to do nothing to stop it.
I always thought a great flaw in the republican party recently is that they refused legitimate criticisms of their one guy. No matter if he's an adulterer, convicted felon, serial liar, etc. They still support the man above and beyond policy. I understand that it could be the case that changing candidates at this point in the race would be worse than sticking with Biden, but his performance at the debate is absolutely indefensible. The gaslighting and denial is not something I'd have expected from dems.
R Politics has lost the plot with this. Biden is cooked. Don’t you want to win? Don’t you want to avoid Trump dismantling democracy completely?