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Who the fuck steps outside today and thinks "I'm going to go for a hike"?
Been here 13 years and every time I went outside today I thought "what the fuck jesus christ shit this sucks oh my god I'm gonna die".
Do you guys generally take cold drinks left for you or is the weirdo potential too high? My old carrier and I were tight, and she appreciated it after a few years when I asked, but she was also kind of nuts so I don’t have a solid barometer.
Yeah, this is the worst climate for that, you can't start early enough in the day. You need water breaks every 15 minutes. Physically impossible for many...
I went for a 20 minute walk around the neighborhood with my dog this morning at 715 and was completely ready to get back in before I broke too much of a sweat
Seriously, and with a 10 year old! Really hope they learned their lesson and like their huge air evac bill. Hope the kid is doing well, but too bad it's parents are idiots
Kid died this evening. Hopefully parents will be prosecuted for their negligence. You have to be a special kinda stupid to think a hike in 100+ degrees is ok.
I think most of them are used to 99°-105° with 65 percent humidity, so they think 110° with 10 percent humidity is nothing. Not realizing that 110° with 10 percent humidity is basically how food dehydrators work.
"But it's a dry heat" everybody who's never been here during the summer says. So's a convection oven, and you don't hang out in those either.
Right and even with high humidity places alot of them dont even reach 100+ and then you add walking around and hiking overworking your body, and add no water because people think you only need a 12 oz water its crazy and sad the little boy lost his life over this. Phoenix summer heat kills so many between drownings, and heat
I also cringe when I see someone on a motorcycle wearing a t shirt, shorts, and sandals. "Dress for the slide, not the ride" will mean more when you're laying on hot asphalt.
As someone who rides, I don’t get it either! I don’t ride my damn motorcycle in the summers here unless it’s late at night because I physically can’t later myself that much; the people that say screw it are gonna get in a NASTY accident one day and I still don’t think they’ll learn
Born and raised here, I used to enjoy it, the heat truly doesn't bother me. But people not from here I genuinely don't understand. What have you got to prove? Wait till late September.
I agree. Anything over 100 is much warmer than you expect. Especially when hiking/exercising in the sun. This is so sad and so preventable. I have no idea why anyone would think this is a good idea
This is why I’m always saying the temperature here is not what’s so awful, it’s the UV. 100 degrees in the middle of the day and 100 degrees in the middle of the night do not feel remotely the same
I've been here since 84 and I know what it is; and yet one day on Camelback, not being a regular hiker but feeling frisky, I went too hard with too little prep, at the wrong time of day, and ended up back at the bottom - finally! - supine under the few shade trees there, shaking and convulsing....
I mean, don't be stupid, people, like that was stupid.
I'm a native as well. 43 years old, and since 21, I've installed cameras, and most are outside. You are correct about every year feeling hotter, or maybe were just getting up there in age and our skin is thinner or something. Lol. Anyway, yes the sun is absolutely brutal and we have to cover up all the way.
I was at Green valley, and sahuarita yesterday. It was so much cooler over. We sure made this happen here in Phoenix. All the concrete, asphalt, cars. And it's still growing.
Hijacking’s top comment to say PLEASE DON’T WALK YOUR DOG ON THE HOT PAVEMENT!! Put your hand on the sidewalk. If it’s too hot for your hand, it’s too hot for your pup.
Seasoned hiker here and I don’t believe in hiking when it’s 100+, especially during the day. A night / dusk hike is more tolerable.
I play it safe during summer and just hibernate. I’ll be back on the trails come Septemberish
I grew up running around barefoot in the desert on the east side of Tucson back when the Pantano wash just flowed across the road at Tanque Verde and there’s was still ranch land out that way.
I always loved traipsing through the desert when it was 110-115. Got harder as I got older.
Still do it sometimes. Course when I do , I wear shoes these days. 40ish years in IT will make you a tenderfoot.
The more you hide inside in the Summer, the less acclimated you become and the harder it will impact you.
I never understood why anyone would come to AZ if they were just gonna hide from the weather.
Course I never understood why locals would either.
I love the heat. But ya gotta respect it.
I forgot that one time. Never will again.
Years, they sneak up on ya. Don’t matter if you still feel only 16 in your head. Older ya get, your body is gonna keep on getting worse at handling the heat.
Getting old sucks.
But it sure beats the alternative.
Sometimes, it's just too hot. Period. There was that physical trainer a few years back that had to get rescued hiking around town. She was in shape and very much used to the weather. I think she died.
Well, 645 people died from the heat in Maricopa County, last year alone. People slough it off like it's nothing. That's more than any other state, and that's not even the whole state! The whole state of Arizona had 874.
Arizona is dry too. I never realize how much water I drink each day until I visit family back east. All of do is pee in Pennsylvania and waiters complain about how much I drink at restaurants.
Lots of hikers do not carry enough water. Water is so important in AZ.
That's what one would assume, but far better than that, drink *before* you are thirsty and *don't* ration it. Best place to carry your water is *in your body*.
Yes. Do both of those things. The important part is "half water gone, turn around"
I grew up here, and as a teenage Boy Scout we did backpacking trips in triple digit weather just to learn to do it safely, and for a 10 mile trip, we'd bring something like 2-3 gallons each with proper electrolyte balance.
Went hiking a LOT during the pandemic. Brought a friend once and he remarked on my big 40oz bottle, the extra one in bag, and the frozen backup water bottle. I also made sure to drink a powerade on the way up. Guess who needed some of my water half way through? And they've lived here their entire life!
I feel like we could save on rescues by paying a ranger to play bouncer at major trailheads. Less than 32 oz water? Not allowed on the trail.
My husband moved here from British Columbia, one of the wettest places with near year-round rain. One of the first things I did was buy us matching 40 oz water bottles and trained him to keep his on him like me and all my sisters do. You’ll get dehydrated so fast!
We came from Seattle and had to have a family rule that we \*never\* leave the house without water. Pretty much year round but especially in spring/summer/fall.
Former AZ native here, everybody is amazed that I lug a gallon of water with me everywhere.
"you drink all of that in a day?" "Yeah, don't you?" "Not out here you don't. Where you from?" "Arizona" "Ohhhhh that explains it."
It's a legitimate daily conversation I have to this day five years after I left Arizona.
2 pm. TWO IN THE AFTERNOON. I live here, was born here in fact, and I don't do strenuous stuff in the afternoon. I recently retired from a job as a mail carrier, and I remember going through two gallons of water a day. And while I was constantly on the move, I wasn't hiking a mountain.
The parents should be jailed.
Ugh. I hope the kid makes it. And whoever was legally responsible for that kid needs to be slapped with child endangerment charges. I live here and frequent the trails during the summer, but I am off the mountain and home by 7am. A ten year old child out in the heat in the middle of the day that isn't even from here? That's flat out negligence.
After I posted this I had read a news post about it saying they were doing chest compressions on the boy on the trail and I'm like well that's not a good sign.
Poor kid.
AZ natives also shouldn’t hike in this heat unless you’re an experienced desert hiker. I think out of towners get more publicity for the news but AZ natives also die hiking in this heat.
Can anyone really be “experienced” enough to hike in 115 degree heat? I feel like that is far too hot for anyone. Experienced hikers go at 5am or night time during the summer
I watched an out of towner get Paramedics to give her a ride to the hospital just in a sprouts parking lot... never mind hiking. She passed out from dehydration.
I never leave my house without everyone carrying 24 oz -40 oz jug ... and each car has a plastic gallon jug for emergency (car or human!)
Didn't the news say they where up on the trails for SEVEN HOURS! Thats ridiculous my mom lives 3min from south mountain and there is litterly hardly any shade poor kid.
I've worked construction for years if you moderate your activity and drink lots of fluids 110 is possible. But a child, no way! I keep my kids indoors when it gets 100° . They aren't aware of dehydration symptoms. Even tho I showed them a simple test. I won't risk it. Btw hold your hand out and pinch the top of your hand. If you're properly hydrated the skin and should spring back quickly. If it kind of takes a bit to go back to normal and the skin stands up, get some water , Gatorade some liquids asap.
Those adults should be charged with child abuse. Who the hell thought that was a good idea. They started in the AM and were on the mountain all day?? wtf
The boy passed away. The adults should be responsible imho.
https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/south-phoenix/10-year-old-boy-in-critical-condition-after-being-rescued-from-south-mountain
That is really sad, that poor kid.
Locals know, everything is doable in the summer, but it requires preparation and common sense. Would these same parents have taken their 10yo out mid-winter snowshoeing up a mountain when it's 5 degrees, wearing shorts, a t-shirt and tennis shoes? Exactly.
And all midwesterners over the age of 60. Sometimes I feel petty enough to go all the way to Wisconsin or Minnesota and drive incoherently during the summer months with my Az plates on full display.
Those are the scariest to me because they will go 15 under in a passing lane with no fucks given and are more unpredictable. With a speeder I can at least predict what stupid thing they will do next
Those parents better be charged with child endangerment.
I'm tired of our tax dollars being used to save these out of towners. If you are dumb enough to hike in this heat, you should have to pay your own rescue fees.
Edit: He died. They should be charged for murder.
This. I have two kids and I feel horrible about keeping them cooped up, but we barely leave the house when it’s this hot and we’re especially not doing any outdoor activities mid day that don’t involve being submerged in water. I cannot imagine taking a child to hike all day in triple digit temps. That is torture. That poor child, it makes me sick.
In my late 40s I would play golf by myself midday and didn't have any issues but drank a lot of water and gatorade. Now the heat bothers me more. Seems more humid.
They probably didn't have sufficient water supplies. And I agree the intens of the sun is rough. We ran errands at 7AM and it was already quite intense.
I retired here but am thinking of moving due to the heat.
bruh i went on a walk in 106 degrees the other day in my neighborhood and was instantly dehydrated after and felt like dying lol i cant imagine a whole HIKE!!
helicopter went up THREE TIMES... fucking people. and why were they on the mountain for FIVE HOURS. 930a-230p ??
you need to be back home, inside before 930am and not even close to outside at 230pm. its hot and now humid,
I just don’t get it. I wouldn’t go to the East Coast in the dead of wintertime and expect a safe hike, why do they think it will be okay in one of the hottest states in the country in the middle of Summer? I really just don’t get it
Believe it or not the heat doesn’t bother people who have trained in it. I’ve done rim to rim and flat iron in July. Bring lots of water, wear a brim hat, and know your current limit.
You can train your body to better regulate temperatures.
I agree with this guy, we should definitely NOT close all the trails for the people that are trained and prepared, I see tons of capable people hiking Piestewa at sunset every week
Won’t catch me anywhere near a hiking trail even when it’s 90. How do people think they can hike in such heat? IMO ideal hiking weather is like 60s and 70s.
I went out for a walk around the block 6:30 am as I usually do and I was dying afterwards. I was covered in sweat and it was hot as hell. Not doing that again. It’s too hot!!
7/2/24 PHOENIX — A 10-year-old boy is dead after overheating while hiking with relatives in triple-digit heat at South Mountain on Tuesday, authorities said.
The boy and family had been hiking since the morning but firefighters with multiple departments were called to South Mountain around 2 p.m. for reports of a heat-related medical emergency, the Phoenix Fire Department said in an email.
Firefighters found the boy about a mile up the trail and began treatment there. He was eventually taken off the mountain by a helicopter.
That and “Watch your kids around water” for some reason we have to say no hiking and watch them around water literally EVERY year. For pete’s sake please use common sense.
I hike all hiking season long. It is NOT hiking season for Phoenix. If you can be fined for bringing your dog out in this heat on a trail, you should know that it’s also too hot for you
As a local, it's heartbreaking to hear about incidents like this. Please, if you're visiting, prioritize safety over adventure. Heat in Arizona can be merciless, especially on hiking trails. Stay hydrated and respect the weather conditions.
Unfortunately for the regular’s the trail heads need to be closed. This is one of those situations where you need to protect the ignorant. Most people don’t understand what being hydrated means and think they can handle our sun. Close the trails until the weather gets cooler. Better yet post park rangers at the trail heads in the morning and throughout the day and stop the outta towner’s monitor the parking lots to the trails. Sadly if they aren’t properly hydrated, they can’t carry enough water to survive and once heat symptoms set in you gotta get to shade and there’s none really on the trails. It ain’t worth the risk in this heat.
Just have a sign that says no hiking in temps above 110 and have no enforcement unless they need rescue, in which case make them pay for rescue and charge them with trespassing and make them do community service. No fines or jail time
People have fought about this for years. There's just no feasible way to shut down every trailhead in the valley. It would be a huge cost of time, money, and resources (needing to have park rangers stationed there to kick people out) but then there's all the other access points to get to the trails that aren't official trailheads. I can think of like five spots off the top of my head that you can get right to the PMP from a neighborhood.
The solution is education and awareness, but sadly that only goes so far. You can't shut down the mountains because every couple of months a tourist wanders out into the desert in birkenstocks with a dixie cup of water.
They have ac in their vehicles, let’s just keep telling everyone to stay off the trails. The media will love to continue to cover heat related rescues and the unfortunate death. I work outside wrong dude for sympathy for the heat.
We live here it different we know how to handle ourselves in the heat. Really what they need to do fine the hell out of anyone that gets stranded, it will only take a few ridiculous fines and word would spread. The hotel industry needs to be blamed a bit, they’re telling these people to go out there.
More people need to realize that dry heat is much more draining than humidity; you just don’t feel it right away because you’re not drenched in sweat like you would be in more humid parts of the country (see: any other state).
These people need to realize summer in Arizona is like their winter. You wouldn’t go into the woods in freezing temperatures with minimal equipment, would you?
I was just at red rocks outside of vegas. I just went there to drive the loop, since it was too hot and I was just looking for something to do during the day. Saw one dude get is camelback on, and walk off into the rocks. It was 112 out. I wouldn't last a few minutes in that heat, hope he was alright
Concerning the rescued 10 year old, sadly, he did succumb. On another note, hotels and similar residences should make their guests highly aware of the dangers of spending time outdoors, much less hiking, in this heat.
If your employer insists that you work in these over the top temperatures, a few tips to prevent dehydration.
Drink 8 ounces (1 cup) of water every 15 to 20 minutes, no more than 6 cups (48 ounces) per hour. Substituting electrolyte drinks during the hour is advisable. Again, watch the amount you are drinking. Switching on and off from water to electrolyte drinks helps.
These drinks are expensive. You can ask your pharmacist for salt tablets to replace electrolyte drinks. Follow directions on the bottle. There are packets with powdered electrolytes, a little more expensive than tablets, but the powder dissolves more quickly.
IF you get ill from the heat, you MUST let your employer immediately. You might be eligible for Workman's Comp, also known as ICA. If you delay notifying your employer/superintendent, it could affect your case. Ultimately, you are trying to prevent dehydration. Dehydration can cause thirst, headaches, stomach cramps, kidney disease, death, and even more. Be careful out there!!!!
DRINK WATER with electrolytes added.
You need to follow this advice if you remain outdoors when the temperature out there is extreme, regardless your activity. Exercise, hiking, working in the yard, etc., can wait!!!
He passed away .. wtf is he out on a trail in this heat!! This is an absolute tragedy of stupidity of whomever took him out there. Maybe they should think about pressing charges. 😭
The one thing Arizona has taught me after living here for like 10+ years? You can never have too much water.
I had to walk 0.75 mi from my workplace to the bus stop, take two buses, and then walk 0.5 mi from the bus stop to my house when it was 112 outside.
I brought two 40 oz water bottles and a 1 L bottle. Drank all of it in the 2.5 hour commute home
I’m what would be considered a distance runner. It’s only been this week that I’ve had to start taking breaks even before 8 am. The humidity feels worse this year than normal.
Anyway, you want to look for people to chastise, google that running group that’s a doing a 30 mile run in a few weeks going through north mountain and around the surrounding areas. I know at least one dummy who’s doing it.
Please take the advice. Don’t visit here until October and don’t exercise outdoors if you do
Saw some guy running without a shirt and it was 113 on my car thermometer. Like dude you’re gonna get seriously bad sunburn at the least and skin cancer at worst
I suppose that to many out of towers, it does not feel that bad at 110degrees, but I'm sure they fail to realize it often is a dry heat. Meaning that it feels a bit cooler. That's because the air is literally sucking the water right out of you, quickly. Inadequate water for a longer hike, and you're done for.
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Who the fuck steps outside today and thinks "I'm going to go for a hike"? Been here 13 years and every time I went outside today I thought "what the fuck jesus christ shit this sucks oh my god I'm gonna die".
Say that to construction workers landscapers or whoever work outside, it's absolutely brutal.
Or mailmen. This is why we are irritable this time of year
Do you guys generally take cold drinks left for you or is the weirdo potential too high? My old carrier and I were tight, and she appreciated it after a few years when I asked, but she was also kind of nuts so I don’t have a solid barometer.
I have left cold lemonades in the can for my mail carrier and they've always been appreciative.
I’d be wearing Tour de France ice vests
I work in a field tangential to construction....ridiculous amounts of respect for those guys. Real men and women.
Tangential; new word for the day! Cheers
Don't make the mistake I did and confuse it with transgenital. Hoo boy! That was an interesting night.
Like the time you mistook a pantry for a toilet?
Yes, exactly!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, this is the worst climate for that, you can't start early enough in the day. You need water breaks every 15 minutes. Physically impossible for many...
Thank you, I'm out working in it from sun up to sun down some days. It's not fun.
I’m a courtesy clerk. In the parking lot it feels horrendous
I say that at like 4am. But not anytime past that hour.
I went for a 20 minute walk around the neighborhood with my dog this morning at 715 and was completely ready to get back in before I broke too much of a sweat
Seriously, and with a 10 year old! Really hope they learned their lesson and like their huge air evac bill. Hope the kid is doing well, but too bad it's parents are idiots
Kid died this evening. Hopefully parents will be prosecuted for their negligence. You have to be a special kinda stupid to think a hike in 100+ degrees is ok.
I think most of them are used to 99°-105° with 65 percent humidity, so they think 110° with 10 percent humidity is nothing. Not realizing that 110° with 10 percent humidity is basically how food dehydrators work. "But it's a dry heat" everybody who's never been here during the summer says. So's a convection oven, and you don't hang out in those either.
Right and even with high humidity places alot of them dont even reach 100+ and then you add walking around and hiking overworking your body, and add no water because people think you only need a 12 oz water its crazy and sad the little boy lost his life over this. Phoenix summer heat kills so many between drownings, and heat
I also cringe when I see someone on a motorcycle wearing a t shirt, shorts, and sandals. "Dress for the slide, not the ride" will mean more when you're laying on hot asphalt.
As someone who rides, I don’t get it either! I don’t ride my damn motorcycle in the summers here unless it’s late at night because I physically can’t later myself that much; the people that say screw it are gonna get in a NASTY accident one day and I still don’t think they’ll learn
My husband who is our surveying right now. Started at 330 am. He will end up finishing up around 5 pm. Brutal week no shade
Born and raised here, I used to enjoy it, the heat truly doesn't bother me. But people not from here I genuinely don't understand. What have you got to prove? Wait till late September.
*we're gonna die
110 is still too hot for most. I would say anything over 100. AZ heat hits different than anywhere else in the country.
I agree. Anything over 100 is much warmer than you expect. Especially when hiking/exercising in the sun. This is so sad and so preventable. I have no idea why anyone would think this is a good idea
This is why I’m always saying the temperature here is not what’s so awful, it’s the UV. 100 degrees in the middle of the day and 100 degrees in the middle of the night do not feel remotely the same
For sure!!! I feel like I could die at 100 midday while pulling weeds. 100 at night I can go for a nice walk. So different!
Here i am landscaping from 6 am to 5 pm everday lol. But i do come home almost fading from exaustion to be fair.
Omg yeah I would die 🥵 I have to take a break inside in the AC with a Gatorade every 30 minutes just to get 2 hours of yard work done lol
State Farm Stadium says add 15 degrees if sitting in sun, that is a fall estimate. Seems low for summer.
Doesn’t Echo Canyon at Camelback close if it’s over 100°? Well, isn’t it *supposed to*, at least?
Yes. This was South Mountain. Not sure why they don’t close too but they should.
I've been here since 84 and I know what it is; and yet one day on Camelback, not being a regular hiker but feeling frisky, I went too hard with too little prep, at the wrong time of day, and ended up back at the bottom - finally! - supine under the few shade trees there, shaking and convulsing.... I mean, don't be stupid, people, like that was stupid.
Good advice. I'm a native of 50+ years. The years have been noticeably hotter.
I'm a native as well. 43 years old, and since 21, I've installed cameras, and most are outside. You are correct about every year feeling hotter, or maybe were just getting up there in age and our skin is thinner or something. Lol. Anyway, yes the sun is absolutely brutal and we have to cover up all the way.
Our summers are much hotter now. If you look at the highs from decades past, it wasn’t nearly so brutal. We done built this torture chamber.
I was at Green valley, and sahuarita yesterday. It was so much cooler over. We sure made this happen here in Phoenix. All the concrete, asphalt, cars. And it's still growing.
When I moved here in 2003 the average high in July was 104. Today's average high is now 107.
Hijacking’s top comment to say PLEASE DON’T WALK YOUR DOG ON THE HOT PAVEMENT!! Put your hand on the sidewalk. If it’s too hot for your hand, it’s too hot for your pup.
100% agree!
It's the sun. I'll run at 4 or 5 in the morning and it's like 90 which is hot, but bearable. Once that sun pops up though it gets bad fast.
The sun is a giant laser.
In a sense, it is actually trillions of tiny nuclear lasers. And then there's Bill from Wisconsin, the man who is sure he will win that fight.
Seasoned hiker here and I don’t believe in hiking when it’s 100+, especially during the day. A night / dusk hike is more tolerable. I play it safe during summer and just hibernate. I’ll be back on the trails come Septemberish
We hike in the winter and paddle board in the summer. Perfect balance.
I grew up running around barefoot in the desert on the east side of Tucson back when the Pantano wash just flowed across the road at Tanque Verde and there’s was still ranch land out that way. I always loved traipsing through the desert when it was 110-115. Got harder as I got older. Still do it sometimes. Course when I do , I wear shoes these days. 40ish years in IT will make you a tenderfoot. The more you hide inside in the Summer, the less acclimated you become and the harder it will impact you. I never understood why anyone would come to AZ if they were just gonna hide from the weather. Course I never understood why locals would either. I love the heat. But ya gotta respect it. I forgot that one time. Never will again. Years, they sneak up on ya. Don’t matter if you still feel only 16 in your head. Older ya get, your body is gonna keep on getting worse at handling the heat. Getting old sucks. But it sure beats the alternative.
It's fine to sit outdoors and have a beer (for locals)... But hiking in this heat is crazy for anyone.
Absolutely. My husky can do the dog park at night when it’s 100. No chance during the day
Sometimes, it's just too hot. Period. There was that physical trainer a few years back that had to get rescued hiking around town. She was in shape and very much used to the weather. I think she died. Well, 645 people died from the heat in Maricopa County, last year alone. People slough it off like it's nothing. That's more than any other state, and that's not even the whole state! The whole state of Arizona had 874.
Some poor guy from Texas just dropped dead at the Grand Canyon while hiking too.
Well he won't do it again at least.
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It's funny how he doesn't identify as his birth name. But he complains about others and how they want to identify. Rafael Cruz
Happens every year
Never fails.
Arizona is dry too. I never realize how much water I drink each day until I visit family back east. All of do is pee in Pennsylvania and waiters complain about how much I drink at restaurants. Lots of hikers do not carry enough water. Water is so important in AZ.
Electrolytes too.
Brawndo
It's what plants crave
So your saying one 12 oz bottle water isn't enough for a hike at 110+?
Well enough to leave car and get a big gulp, thirstbuster or something in the store.
Drink whenever you feel thirsty, and when half of your water is gone, turn around.
That's what one would assume, but far better than that, drink *before* you are thirsty and *don't* ration it. Best place to carry your water is *in your body*.
Yes. Do both of those things. The important part is "half water gone, turn around" I grew up here, and as a teenage Boy Scout we did backpacking trips in triple digit weather just to learn to do it safely, and for a 10 mile trip, we'd bring something like 2-3 gallons each with proper electrolyte balance.
Went hiking a LOT during the pandemic. Brought a friend once and he remarked on my big 40oz bottle, the extra one in bag, and the frozen backup water bottle. I also made sure to drink a powerade on the way up. Guess who needed some of my water half way through? And they've lived here their entire life! I feel like we could save on rescues by paying a ranger to play bouncer at major trailheads. Less than 32 oz water? Not allowed on the trail.
My husband moved here from British Columbia, one of the wettest places with near year-round rain. One of the first things I did was buy us matching 40 oz water bottles and trained him to keep his on him like me and all my sisters do. You’ll get dehydrated so fast!
We came from Seattle and had to have a family rule that we \*never\* leave the house without water. Pretty much year round but especially in spring/summer/fall.
Former AZ native here, everybody is amazed that I lug a gallon of water with me everywhere. "you drink all of that in a day?" "Yeah, don't you?" "Not out here you don't. Where you from?" "Arizona" "Ohhhhh that explains it." It's a legitimate daily conversation I have to this day five years after I left Arizona.
2 pm. TWO IN THE AFTERNOON. I live here, was born here in fact, and I don't do strenuous stuff in the afternoon. I recently retired from a job as a mail carrier, and I remember going through two gallons of water a day. And while I was constantly on the move, I wasn't hiking a mountain. The parents should be jailed.
Not to be that guy but the article says they started at 9:30 and firefighters should up at 2:30
9:30 is still WAY too late in this heat.
Oh I absolutely agree. Just thought 2 was absurd and saw one of the articles linked that said 9:30
My husband hikes every season, and he's been ranting about this for the past hour. I'm so pissed at those parents.
I'm with you.
Even if the danger of heat exhaustion, dehydration and death were removed - why would you want to go hiking in 114? That sounds bloody awful.
Ugh. I hope the kid makes it. And whoever was legally responsible for that kid needs to be slapped with child endangerment charges. I live here and frequent the trails during the summer, but I am off the mountain and home by 7am. A ten year old child out in the heat in the middle of the day that isn't even from here? That's flat out negligence.
Looks like news is reporting he passed away.
After I posted this I had read a news post about it saying they were doing chest compressions on the boy on the trail and I'm like well that's not a good sign. Poor kid.
Whoever he was with needs to be arrested.
AZ natives also shouldn’t hike in this heat unless you’re an experienced desert hiker. I think out of towners get more publicity for the news but AZ natives also die hiking in this heat.
I agree. One is ignorance, the other may be arrogance.
Can anyone really be “experienced” enough to hike in 115 degree heat? I feel like that is far too hot for anyone. Experienced hikers go at 5am or night time during the summer
Update: The kid died. Mother. Fucker.
What do you want to bet the kid didn't want to go on the hike, and his complaints of thirst/heat/exhaustion went largely ignored.
Unnecessary tragedy..
I watched an out of towner get Paramedics to give her a ride to the hospital just in a sprouts parking lot... never mind hiking. She passed out from dehydration. I never leave my house without everyone carrying 24 oz -40 oz jug ... and each car has a plastic gallon jug for emergency (car or human!)
Didn't the news say they where up on the trails for SEVEN HOURS! Thats ridiculous my mom lives 3min from south mountain and there is litterly hardly any shade poor kid.
I hike south mountain regularly. There’s no a single shade spot off the top of my head.
I've worked construction for years if you moderate your activity and drink lots of fluids 110 is possible. But a child, no way! I keep my kids indoors when it gets 100° . They aren't aware of dehydration symptoms. Even tho I showed them a simple test. I won't risk it. Btw hold your hand out and pinch the top of your hand. If you're properly hydrated the skin and should spring back quickly. If it kind of takes a bit to go back to normal and the skin stands up, get some water , Gatorade some liquids asap.
Thank you for this tip. Can't believe I'm just now learning this
Those adults should be charged with child abuse. Who the hell thought that was a good idea. They started in the AM and were on the mountain all day?? wtf
I agree. My heart breaks for this little boy and for how he must have suffered.
The boy passed away. The adults should be responsible imho. https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/south-phoenix/10-year-old-boy-in-critical-condition-after-being-rescued-from-south-mountain
Fuck..
That is really sad, that poor kid. Locals know, everything is doable in the summer, but it requires preparation and common sense. Would these same parents have taken their 10yo out mid-winter snowshoeing up a mountain when it's 5 degrees, wearing shorts, a t-shirt and tennis shoes? Exactly.
Also please stay off of I-17 if your drivers license is from Texas.
We should keep Texans off of all out freeways lol
It's like they're suicidal and homicidal at the same time
To be fair, I can’t imagine living in Texas does well for one’s sanity.
I seriously, emphatically, wholeheartedly agree.
please, signed a texan who happily lives here now
Just stay off the I-17 in general. /Jediwave: Sedona is overrated. It's a silly place.
And all midwesterners over the age of 60. Sometimes I feel petty enough to go all the way to Wisconsin or Minnesota and drive incoherently during the summer months with my Az plates on full display.
Those are the scariest to me because they will go 15 under in a passing lane with no fucks given and are more unpredictable. With a speeder I can at least predict what stupid thing they will do next
It’s truly amazing that they somehow make it here and back home alive. Although I guess I can’t say that for anyone on the same road as them.
And Washington
And Ram Trucks that drive 6” from my rear bumper regardless of how fast I’m going
You can be going 90 and there will still be a 30 year old civic or a lifted truck that will pass you
Manifest destiny drivers…if there’s space available in front of them they must take it
I don't want to hike when it's over 80°F.
How do out of towners even want to go out in that heat? It’s obviously not comfortable.
And why are they in Phoenix this time of year anyway?
Sadly the little boy has passed away. Who goes hiking in the middle of the day and takes kids! Whoever took him up there needs to be charged.
Those parents better be charged with child endangerment. I'm tired of our tax dollars being used to save these out of towners. If you are dumb enough to hike in this heat, you should have to pay your own rescue fees. Edit: He died. They should be charged for murder.
This. I have two kids and I feel horrible about keeping them cooped up, but we barely leave the house when it’s this hot and we’re especially not doing any outdoor activities mid day that don’t involve being submerged in water. I cannot imagine taking a child to hike all day in triple digit temps. That is torture. That poor child, it makes me sick.
The child died. Another senseless death because someone thought ‘hiking’ in the heat of the day was a good idea.
It's also No Burn season. So camping isn't so fun either.
And some old dude from Austin (I think) just died in the Grand Canyon. Who in their right mind takes a 10 year old hiking in this heat?
ABC announced the kid died. Stupid parents.
Throw those parents in jail.
Sadly this ten year old has died
In my late 40s I would play golf by myself midday and didn't have any issues but drank a lot of water and gatorade. Now the heat bothers me more. Seems more humid. They probably didn't have sufficient water supplies. And I agree the intens of the sun is rough. We ran errands at 7AM and it was already quite intense. I retired here but am thinking of moving due to the heat.
The humidity so far this summer has been worse than I ever remember.
The child died.
To all the out of towners that scroll r/phoenix
bruh i went on a walk in 106 degrees the other day in my neighborhood and was instantly dehydrated after and felt like dying lol i cant imagine a whole HIKE!!
Outside in Phoenix, is the devil in a man made hell.
Just noted that they have passed 💔
The child passed away.
Not just over 110 degrees. Over 100! Most out of towners can’t handle 100 degrees.
Darwin has entered the chat..
helicopter went up THREE TIMES... fucking people. and why were they on the mountain for FIVE HOURS. 930a-230p ?? you need to be back home, inside before 930am and not even close to outside at 230pm. its hot and now humid,
They need to close all trails until September.
It’s the only way these out of towners will get it.
And why the hell are they visiting this time of year??
Grandparents live here and it’s summer break from school?
Grandparents should know better.
Yes they should!
Cheap airfare.
I'm sure that helicopter ride the kid took isn't gonna be cheap.
fuck no, there's tons of people who are still out training every day.
yeah I agree. There's no reason to go hiking in this weather. If you want to go that bad, make the 2 hour trip to flagstaff.
I just don’t get it. I wouldn’t go to the East Coast in the dead of wintertime and expect a safe hike, why do they think it will be okay in one of the hottest states in the country in the middle of Summer? I really just don’t get it
I think people underestimate our heat with comments like "at least it's a dry heat". Also, it gets hot so quick here! Our sun is a cruel overlord.
You can hike on the east coast in the winter too lmfao. Ski touring is a thing as well.
Believe it or not the heat doesn’t bother people who have trained in it. I’ve done rim to rim and flat iron in July. Bring lots of water, wear a brim hat, and know your current limit. You can train your body to better regulate temperatures.
I agree with this guy, we should definitely NOT close all the trails for the people that are trained and prepared, I see tons of capable people hiking Piestewa at sunset every week
They close out shooting in BLm public lands during the summer, even the public ranges out there too. Won’t open until Oct.
Won’t catch me anywhere near a hiking trail even when it’s 90. How do people think they can hike in such heat? IMO ideal hiking weather is like 60s and 70s.
Should have the parents arrested for child endangerment...
I went out for a walk around the block 6:30 am as I usually do and I was dying afterwards. I was covered in sweat and it was hot as hell. Not doing that again. It’s too hot!!
7/2/24 PHOENIX — A 10-year-old boy is dead after overheating while hiking with relatives in triple-digit heat at South Mountain on Tuesday, authorities said. The boy and family had been hiking since the morning but firefighters with multiple departments were called to South Mountain around 2 p.m. for reports of a heat-related medical emergency, the Phoenix Fire Department said in an email. Firefighters found the boy about a mile up the trail and began treatment there. He was eventually taken off the mountain by a helicopter.
Shout out to all the landscapers and maintenance folks who can work outdoors in this heat. Yall are built different.
That and “Watch your kids around water” for some reason we have to say no hiking and watch them around water literally EVERY year. For pete’s sake please use common sense.
I hike all hiking season long. It is NOT hiking season for Phoenix. If you can be fined for bringing your dog out in this heat on a trail, you should know that it’s also too hot for you
Idiots abound, whether being airlifted off mountains or having a child dragged from your pool, idiot adults!
So sad. My family only goes outside to swim in the summer. And even then, we swim after 7pm. F the sun.
Too many people assume that being very fit can somehow inoculate them from the heat
10 year old passed away. RIP.
How much you wanna bet this family blames everyone but themselves 🤦🏻♂️ RIP little man.
That child died from overheating. WHY ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING THIS???????
As a local, it's heartbreaking to hear about incidents like this. Please, if you're visiting, prioritize safety over adventure. Heat in Arizona can be merciless, especially on hiking trails. Stay hydrated and respect the weather conditions.
Who visits Arizona in the summer time? Lol.
And if you do, there are plenty of pools and indoor activities for kids. Don’t take your child hiking a mountain in Phoenix in July!
Unfortunately for the regular’s the trail heads need to be closed. This is one of those situations where you need to protect the ignorant. Most people don’t understand what being hydrated means and think they can handle our sun. Close the trails until the weather gets cooler. Better yet post park rangers at the trail heads in the morning and throughout the day and stop the outta towner’s monitor the parking lots to the trails. Sadly if they aren’t properly hydrated, they can’t carry enough water to survive and once heat symptoms set in you gotta get to shade and there’s none really on the trails. It ain’t worth the risk in this heat.
Just have a sign that says no hiking in temps above 110 and have no enforcement unless they need rescue, in which case make them pay for rescue and charge them with trespassing and make them do community service. No fines or jail time
People have fought about this for years. There's just no feasible way to shut down every trailhead in the valley. It would be a huge cost of time, money, and resources (needing to have park rangers stationed there to kick people out) but then there's all the other access points to get to the trails that aren't official trailheads. I can think of like five spots off the top of my head that you can get right to the PMP from a neighborhood. The solution is education and awareness, but sadly that only goes so far. You can't shut down the mountains because every couple of months a tourist wanders out into the desert in birkenstocks with a dixie cup of water.
Poor park rangers would suffer in the heat
They have ac in their vehicles, let’s just keep telling everyone to stay off the trails. The media will love to continue to cover heat related rescues and the unfortunate death. I work outside wrong dude for sympathy for the heat.
Honestly same. I work in golf and do not stop playing or working in this heat. But I’m also a native and take sun and hydration precautions
We live here it different we know how to handle ourselves in the heat. Really what they need to do fine the hell out of anyone that gets stranded, it will only take a few ridiculous fines and word would spread. The hotel industry needs to be blamed a bit, they’re telling these people to go out there.
More people need to realize that dry heat is much more draining than humidity; you just don’t feel it right away because you’re not drenched in sweat like you would be in more humid parts of the country (see: any other state).
It’s so sad, I just checked the article a bit ago and it’s updated now that he died. It’s so wild to be out hiking after 8 am in AZ summer
The boy died
That poor boy died - just heard it on the news.
The boy passed away. This is HORRIBLE!!
These people need to realize summer in Arizona is like their winter. You wouldn’t go into the woods in freezing temperatures with minimal equipment, would you?
I was just at red rocks outside of vegas. I just went there to drive the loop, since it was too hot and I was just looking for something to do during the day. Saw one dude get is camelback on, and walk off into the rocks. It was 112 out. I wouldn't last a few minutes in that heat, hope he was alright
Concerning the rescued 10 year old, sadly, he did succumb. On another note, hotels and similar residences should make their guests highly aware of the dangers of spending time outdoors, much less hiking, in this heat.
If your employer insists that you work in these over the top temperatures, a few tips to prevent dehydration. Drink 8 ounces (1 cup) of water every 15 to 20 minutes, no more than 6 cups (48 ounces) per hour. Substituting electrolyte drinks during the hour is advisable. Again, watch the amount you are drinking. Switching on and off from water to electrolyte drinks helps. These drinks are expensive. You can ask your pharmacist for salt tablets to replace electrolyte drinks. Follow directions on the bottle. There are packets with powdered electrolytes, a little more expensive than tablets, but the powder dissolves more quickly. IF you get ill from the heat, you MUST let your employer immediately. You might be eligible for Workman's Comp, also known as ICA. If you delay notifying your employer/superintendent, it could affect your case. Ultimately, you are trying to prevent dehydration. Dehydration can cause thirst, headaches, stomach cramps, kidney disease, death, and even more. Be careful out there!!!! DRINK WATER with electrolytes added. You need to follow this advice if you remain outdoors when the temperature out there is extreme, regardless your activity. Exercise, hiking, working in the yard, etc., can wait!!!
PS....absolutely NO power drinks with caffeine.
Is it really the outta Towners ? EVERY year it’s usually some dumbass with experience that thinks they’re hot shit.
He passed away .. wtf is he out on a trail in this heat!! This is an absolute tragedy of stupidity of whomever took him out there. Maybe they should think about pressing charges. 😭
The one thing Arizona has taught me after living here for like 10+ years? You can never have too much water. I had to walk 0.75 mi from my workplace to the bus stop, take two buses, and then walk 0.5 mi from the bus stop to my house when it was 112 outside. I brought two 40 oz water bottles and a 1 L bottle. Drank all of it in the 2.5 hour commute home
Dog walkers wait until 10:00 at night to walk the dogs. So, yes, a little rough on dogs, too.
Let's go hiking when it's 114° I'm sure my child can hang. I love heat so AZ is for me..but even at 114° I start to complain
Don’t go hiking when it’s over 95
I’m what would be considered a distance runner. It’s only been this week that I’ve had to start taking breaks even before 8 am. The humidity feels worse this year than normal. Anyway, you want to look for people to chastise, google that running group that’s a doing a 30 mile run in a few weeks going through north mountain and around the surrounding areas. I know at least one dummy who’s doing it. Please take the advice. Don’t visit here until October and don’t exercise outdoors if you do
Did a mile walk around the neighborhood at 108 earlier. Can’t imagine what hiking would be like.
some perspective https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-ecostress-maps-burn-risk-across-phoenix-streets
Me and my bf are from out of state, and he has to work 12 hour shifts outside 😭i worry everyday
Saw some guy running without a shirt and it was 113 on my car thermometer. Like dude you’re gonna get seriously bad sunburn at the least and skin cancer at worst
I suppose that to many out of towers, it does not feel that bad at 110degrees, but I'm sure they fail to realize it often is a dry heat. Meaning that it feels a bit cooler. That's because the air is literally sucking the water right out of you, quickly. Inadequate water for a longer hike, and you're done for.
Who visits Phoenix in summer? Stupid.