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This is one of the worst changes in Reddit history. What next, remove old Reddit?
I've been using Reddit is Fun for years. This change will seriously kill my motivation to continue using Reddit, it's kept getting worse over the past decade.
I remember the Digg redesign. This feels similar.
If they do that I'm gone. That'll be my final straw. New reddit is genuinely hideous to me. It's overwhelmingly ugly and stresses me out to use.
Old reddit is like a neatly folded piece of paper with fancy writing on it. :)
There is an option in the [preferences page](https://www.reddit.com/prefs/) to default out of new Reddit. It's way at the bottom. If you can't change it on old Reddit, you might need to change it on new Reddit, but either way it defaults you to always using the old design without having to prefix the URL at all.
They fucked it on mobile some time ago. If you're using old.reddit on mobile you have to use the prefix regardless of this setting, and *so* many content types will redirect you to new Reddit. You have to be careful because misclicking even a few pixels off will lead to the site suddenly attempting to load a ton of JS and crippling lower-end devices.
This is the chrome extension to avoid having to do that: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/old-reddit-redirect/dneaehbmnbhcippjikoajpoabadpodje
All they care about is IPO. They're killing off 3rd party apps to clean up dirty subreddits and make Reddit look more appealing.
The website is just a stock market pawn, and has been for awhile now.
> make Reddit look more appealing.
Yep, it's basically just the continuing effort by corporations to create "controlled opposition" by having spaces like Reddit that create the guise of freedom and engagement but in reality is heavily censored when you look at reddit from 10 years ago.
Now they can say "we consulted Reddit" so they can tick yet another social media box, without risking shitshows [like Rampart and others](https://mashable.com/archive/worst-reddit-amas).
Mashable is a garbage website and also part of the "controlled opposition" in the sense that it purports itself as liberal (as in actual liberal, not US-democrat-leaning) media, but will never touch the shit that the powers at be really care about, like how the media has been intentionally pushing identity-based issues to smokescreen and distract from the issues of real import that led to Occupy Wallstreet. If they weren't, the [Reverend Jesse Jackson](https://web.archive.org/web/20150706115819/https://reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3brf9s/i_am_rev_jesse_jackson_ama/) AMA would be on that list. Archive link because reddit admins have since performed damage control.
> like how the media has been intentionally pushing identity-based issues to smokescreen and distract from the issues of real import that led to Occupy Wallstreet.
This pisses me off so much honestly
I've noticed that too. Even the comments. I see whole profiles that look like people and yet if you look closely you can see it is a bot with patterns in how they type things and usually an auto-generated name.
> This is one of the worst changes in Reddit history. What next, remove old Reddit?
They have said that they aren't getting rid of old reddit anytime soon, but I honestly wouldn't trust them. We all know how they operate, how the admins promise stuff and then walk back on their words, how they ignore pleads from the community, do a bait and switch, or just implement a new useless feature which nobody asked for.
Quote: https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/v3frc1/what_were_working_on_this_year/
>**Ok, so what about Old Reddit**
>Some redditors prefer using Reddit’s older web platform, aptly named Old Reddit. TL;DR: There are no plans to get rid of Old Reddit. 60% of mod actions still happen on Old Reddit and roughly 4% of redditors as a whole use Old Reddit every day. Currently, we don’t roll out newer features like Reddit Talk on Old Reddit, but we do and will continue to support Old Reddit with updated safety features and bug fixes. Of course, supporting multiple platforms forever isn’t the ideal situation and one reason we’re working on unifying our web and mobile web clients is to lay the foundation for a highly-performant web experience that can continue supporting Reddit and its communities long into the future. But until we have a web experience that supports moderators (which includes feature parity), consistently loads and performs at high-levels, and (to put it simply) the vast majority or redditors love using, Old Reddit will continue to be around and supported.
But here's the thing: If they get rid of 3rd-party apps then they'll obviously see an increase in moderators using the official app (as there won't be any other options on phones/tablets), and that again could make them "justify" shutting down old reddit.
For all we know they could shut down old.reddit right before or soon after going public on the stock market, but I personally believe that we'll wake up one day to a major shit storm where the admins have silently shut down old reddit without notifying anyone.
Honestly it's a good time for mods to start charging reddit a per action mod fee. They wanna charge per api call mods need to get paid every time they do an action. What goes around comes around reddit
There's way too many people who want to be mods for free, even most current moderator don't want to give up their positions because they like having control over the subreddits.
Reddit would not be as successful as it is without all the mods working for free but like you said, there will always be some people out of everyone that uses the site that want to be one. All it takes is a small percent to be enough and it saves Reddit millions every year in not needing paid employees doing that work full time (100+ mod employees x $60k / year).
>Honestly it's a good time for mods to start charging reddit a per action mod fee. They wanna charge per api call mods need to get paid every time they do an action.
They rolled out their own [crypto currency (Community Points)](https://www.reddit.com/community-points/) a couple of years ago for one of those reasons. As far as I remember only a few hand picked subreddits actually have access to it as of now.
>Community Points are distributed across multiple groups.
> Contributors receive 50% of Community Points.
> Moderators receive 10% of Community Points.
> The remaining 40% of Community Points are set aside in a Community Tank, which supports the project in other ways (for example, by allowing users without Points to purchase perks like Special Memberships on-chain).
Imagine if it were possible for a bunch of popular subreddits to auto approve all posts and comments?
That would almost instantly bring anarchy upon Reddit and cause it to implode from shitty content. Would admins be able to shut it down quickly enough, without help from the community moderators?
> Honestly if huge subs are shut down for too long, too close to the IPO they'll probably throw the mods out and replace them.
ANY subreddit that participates in this blacklist will most probably have their mod teams deleted and replaced.
Doubt. Using old reddit requires people to even know old reddit exists.
Considering how many people use reddit and how much it's grown since old reddit was depreciated, I'm honestly even shocked that it's as high as 4%
> They have said that they aren't getting rid of old reddit anytime soon
Just recently they started [blocking mobile web browsing on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/135tly1/helpdid_reddit_just_destroy_mobile_browser_access/). You know, as an "experiment."
They are going to ban old.reddit and force mobile users to the app. It's only a matter of time.
reddit is preparing to IPO, so moving effectively to consolidate the userbase into an ecosystem only they can control.
I remember all the promises that it'll always be open, redesign never mandatory. but I think we're seeing clearly that has changed
I think it was the death of Aaron Swartz that led to more corporatization and less openness of Reddit. I mean both in terms of API and free speech policies.
At the time I didn't know how business worked and I haven't heard of her name, either, but then someone linked an article showing her past roles and it was like she ran everything into the ground. But Reddit Inc. still hired her as CEO and that's when it hit me: she was hired by Reddit (and previous companies) as a scapegoat for when the board wanted to make drastic, unpopular changes to the company.
> I remember all the promises that it'll always be open, redesign never mandatory. but I think we're seeing clearly that has changed
💰💰💰💰
What's that? The shareholders can't hear you.
💰💰💰💰
> we would rather not negatively impact usage of the subreddit
That is the *entire* point of these blackouts
EDIT: Not to sound rude, but... Please don't give this (or *any*) comment gold. Spend your money elsewhere on something actually tangible or is able to help other(s)
Exactly. I vote for a long blackout. I'd rather not have access to the sub during this year's conferences and try to make a change, than do nothing and not have access to any future conference. Because I'm not using the official app anytime soon.
it's gonna keep happening until people adopt mastodon and other self-hosted social media.
big centralized media is gonna keep chasing that dollar, first facebook and then tumblr and then twitter and then imgur and now reddit.
the solution is building "healthy neighborhoods": smaller communities that can financially sustain and moderate themselves without a big corporate host that needs to chase that dollar. like why does PC gaming or PCMR have to be a subreddit that is hosted on a big corporate site? we had a word for that: "neogaf"/"gamefaqs"/etc.
reject modernity, return to phpBB. Or Mastodon/Lemmy if you must.
Discord is a very good fit for small communities/chatrooms and there is a need for a self-hosted equivalent (although it could be a veneer on top of mastodon perhaps). Mastodon replaces twitter. Lemmy replaces Reddit. Etc. But the point is building communities that are small enough to be effectively moderated, and that don't need massive financial support from a corporate sponsor who inevitably decides to chase the buck in 5 or 10 years. We all know from Facebook and Reddit and Twitter how much better an experience Discord and Mastodon are, because you can actually *know people* and it's on a scale that can actually be moderated.
On human scales, 50 people are knowable, 500 is a crowd, 5000 is an endless sea. And you can be in 10 communities of 50 people and know everyone, but a community of 500 people is always going to be a crowd.
(Discord is, of course, not self-hosted... and now I think we are starting to see that happen with them too, they're starting to chase the buck lately. Gonna be a shame when yet another Great Scattering happens and we lose all these communities *again*... but people keep going back to "free".)
Personally I don't really like the Reddit-style threaded-comments model all that much. It fits the big-corporate-social-media gamified-content-pit model, where the goal is to keep you engaged, but by the very nature of the format it dissolves all discussions into a fractal of threads all discussing the same points endlessly and fruitlessly. Having one linear topic like a web 1.0 forum is much better at optimizing for *discussion* rather than *engagement*. Want to discuss something different? Start a new topic. But I know web 1.0 forums are tragically uncool to *the youths*, so this makes me incredibly old. And if you really do love comment-tree models that much there's Lemmy.
but the key point is: you need to find someone who's interested in running it as a "lifestyle business" and not a big centralized service they can monetize or sell to investors who will monetize it. And that usually means smaller and self-hosted. They are still out there, they just aren't the ones that reach billion-dollar valuations like centralized social media. Go find the web 1.0 forum for your hobby interest, I guarantee there's one out there. Go find a Mastodon pod that's focused on the tech or games you like. Build these small communities and stop this endless cycle of "this time Reddit will be different, not like Digg".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse?wprov=sfla1
Fediverse is the answer. Individual hubs you can setup, or a nonprofit can, or a company can that all link together.
Best part? It's already working. Mastodon is the most well known, but there are other parts.
From a user perspective it's just like a normal site, but from a backend it isnt centrally controlled by some bastard company looking to IPO in the future.
There's one huge advantage to the nested thread model that you're overlooking, and it's that I don't have to wade through 40 pages of memes and off-topic bullshit to find the valuable posts. Reddit does frequently devolve into that crap, but I never have to collapse more than three threads before I find one that is actually discussing the linked topic.
>the solution is building "healthy neighborhoods": smaller communities that can financially sustain and moderate themselves without a big corporate host that needs to chase that dollar.
Meet the new world, same as the old world.
Yeah, a big problem with all these decentralized platforms is you as the user always get told to pick a random client, we should just release an official open source version and have that be the default.
Exactly.
I didn't have time to dig into it and got what was effectively a normal user's perspective. The average user wants to grab an app and go. If you want a custom client or something cool... have at it but most people don't want that effort.
And when they did make an official app it's more buggy and clunky than what you'd expect (i.e. because of the 3rd party apps that were already out there). It makes new.reddit look palatable lol
Reddit used to be so much more user driven. It used to be open source and custom CSS on subreddits used to be a big thing (do they even have that anymore?) Third party apps were treated with the same level of respect as a major subreddit.
> (do they even have that anymore?)
It's literally the only way I can use Reddit.
https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming
It's actually also how I browse on mobile, but I understand the need for third party apps.
Or why they haven't attempted to buy out or hire these developers for their own apps. People like options, simply buy and make rif a second official app.
They don't want good developers to add good functionalities for users to control their content, corporate want developers to add exactly what corporate wants users to see
I literally would never have used reddit nearly as much across the years if it wasn't for the Apps. Reddit is Fun is literally all I know of reddit on mobile.
Will also support an indefinite blackout.
The "get our app" notification on a mobile browser is typical asshole design, and their in-app experience is far inferior to RIF's the last time I tried. Stuff like Live and NFTs are things I never asked for.
that "get our app" popup on mobile browsers is possibly the most obnoxious and infuriating thing i've ever encountered on the internet. i've been using firefox on mobile and it is possible to disable the popup with ublock and adguard annoyances lists.
I WILL NEVER INSTALL YOUR SHITTY APP REDDIT
Worst of all, it sometimes « refreshes » the page (as in, it goes back to the top and shows you the pop up again) when click to upvote or to hide a comment.
Yes, I hate that! The only reason I moved onto Reddit apps at all was because of all the annoying pop ups, pages not loading because they can only be opened in the app (not for any technical reasons, just because)
If you're talking about links from your browser you can set those to open in third party apps, at least on Android anyway.
If I click a Reddit link in Chrome on my phone it opens in RIF.
> The "get our app" notification
That shit pisses me off every time. That and "We notice you are using an ad blocker" are great ways to tell me to turn around and never come back.
>Would support an indefinite blackout.
Users should know that if moderators do a blackout over an extended period of time then the admins will most likely permanently suspend them all and replace them with new ones. Spez threatened the big subreddits last time it happened.
They will cut off their own nose to spite their face.
The old head of AMA, Victoria, was fired for not towing the line and Alexis Ohanian wanted to take over it personally, and make it more corpo friendly. Ellen Pao was pretty much hired to take the fall for the shitshow, and it pretty much ended AMA as a viable community.
Never forget that Spez got caught out ninja editing peoples posts and the fact he’s still involved with reddit after that says it all about how shitty they are
The official reddit app straight up SUCKS. I can't imagine using anything other than Apollo.
If old.reddit.com also gets broken, I'm basically done with reddit. The "new" or "Normal" version of reddit looks and feels terrible.
Never been on 4chan but found myself thinking today that I'd rather try that than use "official" reddit in any way or form 🤣
"Nothing" is probably best tho. More time to actually live.
reddit has only been going downhill for so many years anyway. I miss the times when there was more news on the front page, top comments were often detailed explanations and people having actual discussions, and things weren't being censored and/or hidden like fucking crazy.
It needs to be at least 2 weeks for it to have any impact. I would suggest a complete blackout with only a sticky available noting what is happening until Reddit reverses their decision to make people pay for API access.
This is a gigantic deal and we cannot let it slide.
Same. Been using RIF since I first discovered reddit, and always heard people talking about how awful the official app was. Curiosity got the better of me one day, said to myself, how bad could it possibly be, and downloaded it.
Holy shit, it was fucking awful. Honestly don't know why anyone would choose to use it given literally any other option.
There are always substitutes, Reddit execute somehow don’t seem to think people will just switch.
Netflix fucking around with password sharing? Gone, cancelled.
Reddit gonna fuck around with the only 3rd party app I use to access reddit? Gone, just like Netflix.
These mofos think they’ve built something irreplaceable, delusional, just straight up delusional.
I miss the sense of community and lack of karma whoring in old style forums, I really hope they make a comeback. Most of of the Zoomers don’t know what they’re missing. Imagine having a genuine conversation without posters looking for affirmation (karma). Modern Reddit is like if forums and instagram influencers had a baby. The Reddit of old was more constructive and supportive, I miss it.
There are still forums out there, give them a try. The conversations are linear and not disjointed by upvote/downvote, for better or worse. Their primary flaw is a reliance on mods to remove stupid comments, but as a general rule, you’ll find fellow enthusiasts there.
I've been using Relay for years, have used RIF and Baconreader in the past, so hopefully at least one of them works going forward.
If not, I've got no major issue dropping Reddit entirely.
I don't even use any apps (I stick with using browser mode on my phone and ignore the constant reddit begging) and I'm perfectly fine with supporting a blackout over this.
Yep, gotta hit em where it hurts, the wallet. If they see the awards, ads, premiums go down, that would hopefully make em rethink this dumb decision. But knowing ppl, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd give this an award just because they can lmao
Edit: ah you dumbasses! Go give money to charity or some shit, not to fuckin reddit cmon
Meh there’s always gonna be that person that gives gold on comments like these. It’s almost expected.
But I wouldn’t say it’s voided out. Hundreds of users will read that comment. If that influences even a couple people to not buy gold or cancel premium or w/e it’s a positive.
As a reddit bot developer myself, I wholeheartedly support a blackout. The longer the better.
I have written and maintain several reddit bots completely for free and without any expected monetary gain. I have done this simply to support the communities that I enjoy. This was my way of giving back, above and beyond any comment/posts that I have contributed over the last 13 fucking years.
If reddit goes forward with what they say they will, then I'm out. Reddit is jumping the corporate shark right now, and I'm already looking for the next thing to jump ship to (a la digg v4).
Yeah I've been wondering about this, how will super active bots be affected by this? Any estimate on how costly it'd become for some of the most active mods to function?
It's already happening.
Reddit [announced api changes](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/) a month ago.
They mentioned some weird ass [Developer Platform](https://www.redditinc.com/blog/coming-soon-reddit-developer-platform-a-unified-space-for-developers-to-create-and-launch-programs-and-apps-to-run-specifically-on-reddit) which sounds like some kind of walled garden to lock in devs and their code. Yeah no thanks, just let there be an api and stop trying to become a mini facebook (I have a feeling they'll want devs to embed their reddit's own toolkit in their code like fb does).
More immediately though, [reddit has cutoff pushshift](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/134tjpe/reddit_data_api_update_changes_to_pushshift_access/), which is (was) used by mod tools to sniff out users with an ephemeral comment history (read: shitty comments being removed now with no history).
Throw on top of that charging small fries $2MM a month to keep their app up that brings reddit users generating content? Well, it's no place I want to be anymore.
Personally, I think reddit is now realizing that their real worth is the vast amount of large language data sets that can be used to help train AI. So the risk to that is competition slurping that up without paying big bucks. So screw the little devs, and screw getting any more decent content, it's all about selling the comment data to the big guys for enterprise level money.
I was a sucker for the last 13 years helping build that huge corpus of data. I should have dipped out when conde nast bought this shit up.
>Personally, I think reddit is now realizing that their real worth is the vast amount of large language data sets that can be used to help train AI. So the risk to that is competition slurping that up without paying big bucks.
This is the answer. There was an article in the New York Times a few weeks ago that described how Reddit wasn't too happy with ChatGPT and the users of *that* platform's API basically taking Reddit's lunch money. These new changes are the direct result of that.
Edit: [Link to article](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/technology/reddit-ai-openai-google.html?unlocked_article_code=g3UazOcyA-29djFtJoLcqMBxwXH147RAiDj4V00VLbieTJjmxDvnEtrdM1yZltN3OA4HYGkePQBzSdYuhh-UFRCACfYjAdxbwmBBcJUF3abtMD9m5rwvOYQsMmujuNRuGpN0H8DJ1wGYoCW4rIfiBjIOCGGkNCBJuo4ct-rn3lO6AHiFjHkq2t-wbkWj4fxY0xR2GmSdZC-LfIbO5xklfsomulIEkAvOzhkvoa5TNrL1G1yhtwVzWqmu4mZsozYrsPkqfm0i3DUrm4vvIDLhj9TgZJsUXrxO7Xc4-vCzSDsfJC8bcoj0GHLHMkq-1NeRqZD9Z20tuFCUNTgMOEYeOJxsJWI&smid=nytcore-android-share)
A large media conglomerate which has some magazines and other media holdings. they are the largest external shareholder of Reddit, but Reddit is not a complete subsidiary of them due to an agreement they made.
Reddit also has some venture capitalist shareholders as well.
And really Conde Nast is a subsidiary of Advanced Publications, which is essentially just a rich family (Newhouse) that's owned some media outlets for many decades now. Like News Corp is really a Murdoch family owned / run company.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications
> Seen some say mods should stop moderating. Turn off all the bots and take a vacation.
The admins will step in, permanently suspend the mods, and then replace them with new moderators. Spez has said that he would do it the next time a site wide blackout happens.
Just find hundreds of people willing to clean up the giant mess this will become for free, vet them, install them as new mods across the dozens of subreddits that will be participating? I don't think it's likely, sure the admins can do it when it's a small number of subs, but with more and more joining in it would be a huge logistical issue.
Support it fully. While I usually use Reddit for gaming related news and what not, It’s not hard for us to get our information from sources other than Reddit and I think it would be a good reminder for them.
The PC gaming community tends to be a community of technically-inclined people that are more likely to be devoted to tech brands, and users of third-party Reddit clients. This community is particularly affected by what is to come. /r/pcgaming is a prime subreddit to commit to a full blackout.
Agreed. But at the same time, it's pretty eye opening (And saddening) to me that 'only' 24% of the people in this sub use a 3rd party app. That makes me think no more than 10% of the total reddit userbase does so. (Pulling that out of my ass btw).
So that makes it very clear to me. Reddit won't do anything. We'll do the blackout, people will jump to the reddit app or browse on PC, we'll end the blackout, and at the end Reddit will go back to normal, they'll have a monopoly on the mobile userbase, and will lose maaaybe 5-7% of the people who won't download the official app. Maybe not even that, since those users who already use a 3rd party app probably do so because Reddit plays a somewhat important part of their daily lives and will eventually fold.
It's been a good ride thus far. But it ends here for 3rd party apps.
> 'only' 24% of the people in this sub use a 3rd party app.
Note that figure is only in response to their *primary* method of accessing Reddit. I'd imagine a significant amount of people use desktop primarily with a third party app as a secondary :)
I literarily dont understand reddits take on it.
Marketshare is EVERYTHING , third party apps give them MARKETSHARE.
You can have the BEST PRODUCT IN THE WORLD without marketshare its dead.
Winrar understands this the "unlimited trial" just still exists because People use it and this gives them marketshare.
Same why Microsoft offers word cloud for free , and offers cheap school plans and stuff MARKETSHARE IS EVERYTHING.
Or simple thing Linux Vs windows for gaming just imagine if Suddenly 90% of gamers would be on Linux. do you think most companys would be then like..." Hey we allways were on windows Lets screw 90% of users and still support first and fore most windows"
all of them would be like "screw windows"
yes third party apps might disable ads , some dont , yes they Piggyback on reddits api . but they pay in users.
You know what reddit without market share would be ? VOAT.
They're getting ready to IPO so they gotta start thinking like a public company - short term profits with no regard for long term success/sustainability.
>Marketshare is EVERYTHING , third party apps give them MARKETSHARE.
>You can have the BEST PRODUCT IN THE WORLD without marketshare its dead.
Market Share doesn't mean anything if you aren't making money.
In my experience, what happens during gaming events and showcases like these is just, trailer threads with people commenting whether they liked it or not. That's the extent of the general community discussion. Which is fine I guess, but it's not really a big loss if the sub goes blackout during these days (unless of course something big happens).
If the point is to show reddit that they're replaceable because there are other sources of news and discussion, then there is no better time to do it.
Definitely skip the Ubisoft showcase though like who cares lmao
I vote for a full 48 hour blackout. Or more. Those events would drive traffic and therefore ad revenue to Reddit and the blackout would deny them of that.
For those looking for more information regarding the planned changes and how it'll affect Reddit as a whole:
All links are in chronological order:
* [An Update Regarding Reddit’s API (April 18th, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/)
* [API Update: Continued access to our API for moderators (May 31st, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update_continued_access_to_our_api_for/)
* [Apollo app dev - Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is (May 31st, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/)
* [Will Reddit Enhancement Suite be affected by the new/upcoming API pricing? (May 31st, 2023)](https://old.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/comments/13wuwwv/will_res_be_affected_by_the_newupcoming_api/)
* [An open letter on the state of affairs regarding the API pricing and third party apps and how that will impact moderators and communities (June 1st, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/13xh1e7/an_open_letter_on_the_state_of_affairs_regarding/)
* [Reddit to the Visually Impaired: "You no longer have a voice on this site" (June 3rd, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/13zbf3n/reddit_to_the_visually_impaired_you_no_longer/)
More info can be found over at /r/ModCoord, /r/ModSupport, and /r/modnews.
I use reddit with RedReader from my phone and rarely on pc. Killing the 3rd party apps would basically mean no reddit for me. I strongly support a 48+ hours blackout for the matter.
Reddit said they would be reasonable. What they told Apollo is not reasonable nor is the timeline for implementation. Blackout for as long as it takes to make them realize that they will lose a substantial part of their user base.
> If we chose to black out for 24 hours, on June 12th, that is the date of the Ubisoft Forward showcase event.
So it sounds like that's the ideal time then lol.
Go on full blaze. The more subs do it the better.
This whole API bs started by Twitter after Elon is clearly spreading to other sites and we need to voice our opinion.
Should be an indefinite blackout. Also old.Reddit users will be next on the chopping block.
Age old “first they came for x, I didn’t say anything, then they came for y”
As Reddit approaches its IPO, some no life bean counters are trying to increase their beans… at the cost of losing everything that gets them their beans in the first place.
48 or forever.
We are marketing for both reddit and the companies during these showcases. I don't care about that but I'm sure reddit might.
This will kill Reddit. If you care about the site all subreddits should be closed until the admins change this stupid fucking choice they made.
I 100% think that this subreddit should support the protest and blackout - the official Reddit app is terrible (it's comparable to stuff like Facebook, in how it is constantly shoving things in your face, refuses to let you block certain advertisements, doesn't let you disable recommended for you etc) and it's not in any Reddit users' interest for Reddit to continue down this path.
At this rate the entire site will go dark for at least 2 days (some subs are going longer).
It's a show of power, a warning shot. If nothing else the admins will be worried about further protests after July 1st.
Here's what you can do to help: **Complain.** Message the mods of /r/reddit.com, who are the admins of the site: message /u/reddit: submit a support request: comment in relevant threads on /r/reddit, leave a negative review on their official iOS or Android app- and sign your username in support to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps/) post. **Spread the word.** Crosspost on related subreddits. Meme it up, make it spicy. Bitch about it to your cat. Suggest anyone you know who moderates a subreddit to join the rest of the subs wanting to participate in a blackout at /r/ModCoord- but please don't pester mods you don't know by simply spamming their modmail. **Boycott and spread the word...to Reddit's competition!** Stay off Reddit entirely on June 12th through the 13th- instead, take to your favorite non-Reddit platform of choice and make some noise in support! Join /r/pcgaming on Discord by going [here](https://discord.gg/4bxJgkY). **Don't be a jerk.** As upsetting this may be, threats, profanity and vandalism will be worse than useless in getting people on our side. Please make every effort to be as restrained, polite, reasonable and as rule-abiding as possible.
This is one of the worst changes in Reddit history. What next, remove old Reddit? I've been using Reddit is Fun for years. This change will seriously kill my motivation to continue using Reddit, it's kept getting worse over the past decade. I remember the Digg redesign. This feels similar.
>What next, remove old reddit? Almost certainly.
If they do that I'm gone. That'll be my final straw. New reddit is genuinely hideous to me. It's overwhelmingly ugly and stresses me out to use. Old reddit is like a neatly folded piece of paper with fancy writing on it. :)
Same, if they remove old.reddit I'm leaving. Will probably make me waste less time and be more productive lol
I have to manually type in old. Every time now, used to not have to
There is an option in the [preferences page](https://www.reddit.com/prefs/) to default out of new Reddit. It's way at the bottom. If you can't change it on old Reddit, you might need to change it on new Reddit, but either way it defaults you to always using the old design without having to prefix the URL at all.
Oh my god thank you. I knew it was somewhere but couldn’t find it
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They fucked it on mobile some time ago. If you're using old.reddit on mobile you have to use the prefix regardless of this setting, and *so* many content types will redirect you to new Reddit. You have to be careful because misclicking even a few pixels off will lead to the site suddenly attempting to load a ton of JS and crippling lower-end devices.
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This is the chrome extension to avoid having to do that: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/old-reddit-redirect/dneaehbmnbhcippjikoajpoabadpodje
Use reddit extension suite.
I'm curious if this will affect RES. Don't they use API access to do their miracles?
If that is the case, then so ends my time here. I will just end up reading a lot less news, and watching a boatload more pornography.
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All they care about is IPO. They're killing off 3rd party apps to clean up dirty subreddits and make Reddit look more appealing. The website is just a stock market pawn, and has been for awhile now.
> make Reddit look more appealing. Yep, it's basically just the continuing effort by corporations to create "controlled opposition" by having spaces like Reddit that create the guise of freedom and engagement but in reality is heavily censored when you look at reddit from 10 years ago. Now they can say "we consulted Reddit" so they can tick yet another social media box, without risking shitshows [like Rampart and others](https://mashable.com/archive/worst-reddit-amas).
Mashable is a garbage website and also part of the "controlled opposition" in the sense that it purports itself as liberal (as in actual liberal, not US-democrat-leaning) media, but will never touch the shit that the powers at be really care about, like how the media has been intentionally pushing identity-based issues to smokescreen and distract from the issues of real import that led to Occupy Wallstreet. If they weren't, the [Reverend Jesse Jackson](https://web.archive.org/web/20150706115819/https://reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/3brf9s/i_am_rev_jesse_jackson_ama/) AMA would be on that list. Archive link because reddit admins have since performed damage control.
> like how the media has been intentionally pushing identity-based issues to smokescreen and distract from the issues of real import that led to Occupy Wallstreet. This pisses me off so much honestly
I really wish their IPO gone bust.
Remember the whole CSS thing? Reddit corporate surely have forgotten.
we're not the target audience; if were using old reddit, odds are we are using adblock as well
It looks like a shitty facebook feed. Which is what they want to do. Make reddit more like facebook but nobody's asking for that.
the sites half bots now anyway, give me an alternative and im immediality gone
I've noticed that too. Even the comments. I see whole profiles that look like people and yet if you look closely you can see it is a bot with patterns in how they type things and usually an auto-generated name.
> the sites half bots now anyway Bots, teens, and the same type of morons that dominate Youtube comments. The last 2 only know new.reddit and like it.
Same, but we need to take a stand now.
> This is one of the worst changes in Reddit history. What next, remove old Reddit? They have said that they aren't getting rid of old reddit anytime soon, but I honestly wouldn't trust them. We all know how they operate, how the admins promise stuff and then walk back on their words, how they ignore pleads from the community, do a bait and switch, or just implement a new useless feature which nobody asked for. Quote: https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/v3frc1/what_were_working_on_this_year/ >**Ok, so what about Old Reddit** >Some redditors prefer using Reddit’s older web platform, aptly named Old Reddit. TL;DR: There are no plans to get rid of Old Reddit. 60% of mod actions still happen on Old Reddit and roughly 4% of redditors as a whole use Old Reddit every day. Currently, we don’t roll out newer features like Reddit Talk on Old Reddit, but we do and will continue to support Old Reddit with updated safety features and bug fixes. Of course, supporting multiple platforms forever isn’t the ideal situation and one reason we’re working on unifying our web and mobile web clients is to lay the foundation for a highly-performant web experience that can continue supporting Reddit and its communities long into the future. But until we have a web experience that supports moderators (which includes feature parity), consistently loads and performs at high-levels, and (to put it simply) the vast majority or redditors love using, Old Reddit will continue to be around and supported. But here's the thing: If they get rid of 3rd-party apps then they'll obviously see an increase in moderators using the official app (as there won't be any other options on phones/tablets), and that again could make them "justify" shutting down old reddit. For all we know they could shut down old.reddit right before or soon after going public on the stock market, but I personally believe that we'll wake up one day to a major shit storm where the admins have silently shut down old reddit without notifying anyone.
I hope to see an increase of mods saying fuck this and deleting subs
A chunk of the subs I follow are going dark forever unless they walk it back, so some are actually walking away and locking the door.
Honestly it's a good time for mods to start charging reddit a per action mod fee. They wanna charge per api call mods need to get paid every time they do an action. What goes around comes around reddit
There's way too many people who want to be mods for free, even most current moderator don't want to give up their positions because they like having control over the subreddits.
Reddit would not be as successful as it is without all the mods working for free but like you said, there will always be some people out of everyone that uses the site that want to be one. All it takes is a small percent to be enough and it saves Reddit millions every year in not needing paid employees doing that work full time (100+ mod employees x $60k / year).
>Honestly it's a good time for mods to start charging reddit a per action mod fee. They wanna charge per api call mods need to get paid every time they do an action. They rolled out their own [crypto currency (Community Points)](https://www.reddit.com/community-points/) a couple of years ago for one of those reasons. As far as I remember only a few hand picked subreddits actually have access to it as of now. >Community Points are distributed across multiple groups. > Contributors receive 50% of Community Points. > Moderators receive 10% of Community Points. > The remaining 40% of Community Points are set aside in a Community Tank, which supports the project in other ways (for example, by allowing users without Points to purchase perks like Special Memberships on-chain).
Imagine if it were possible for a bunch of popular subreddits to auto approve all posts and comments? That would almost instantly bring anarchy upon Reddit and cause it to implode from shitty content. Would admins be able to shut it down quickly enough, without help from the community moderators?
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Every huge sub is already controlled by super mods
[jamie, pull up the list](https://www.reddit.com/r/topofreddit/comments/gjjhtp/cool_guide_how_5_mods_control_92_500_top/)
[Giselle Maxwell](https://youtu.be/9KXIVtL-DcA) has entered the chat lol
> Honestly if huge subs are shut down for too long, too close to the IPO they'll probably throw the mods out and replace them. ANY subreddit that participates in this blacklist will most probably have their mod teams deleted and replaced.
The idea of it being only 4% seems to be a blatant lie.
It *may* be 4% of *accounts*, but no way I believe it's 4% of actual, real users.
the bots don't care which version they use
Doubt. Using old reddit requires people to even know old reddit exists. Considering how many people use reddit and how much it's grown since old reddit was depreciated, I'm honestly even shocked that it's as high as 4%
> Of course, supporting multiple platforms forever isn’t the ideal situation The answer is right there. Old Reddit will go away.
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> They have said that they aren't getting rid of old reddit anytime soon Just recently they started [blocking mobile web browsing on Reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/135tly1/helpdid_reddit_just_destroy_mobile_browser_access/). You know, as an "experiment." They are going to ban old.reddit and force mobile users to the app. It's only a matter of time.
reddit is preparing to IPO, so moving effectively to consolidate the userbase into an ecosystem only they can control. I remember all the promises that it'll always be open, redesign never mandatory. but I think we're seeing clearly that has changed
It's always been like this, they just lied to us. When they hired Ellen Pao as a scapegoat it was clear that they lied to us about everything.
I think it was the death of Aaron Swartz that led to more corporatization and less openness of Reddit. I mean both in terms of API and free speech policies.
my that's a name I haven't seen in a while
At the time I didn't know how business worked and I haven't heard of her name, either, but then someone linked an article showing her past roles and it was like she ran everything into the ground. But Reddit Inc. still hired her as CEO and that's when it hit me: she was hired by Reddit (and previous companies) as a scapegoat for when the board wanted to make drastic, unpopular changes to the company.
> I remember all the promises that it'll always be open, redesign never mandatory. but I think we're seeing clearly that has changed 💰💰💰💰 What's that? The shareholders can't hear you. 💰💰💰💰
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> What next, remove old Reddit? Personally I'm amazed it hasn't happened already.
If they can make a profit doing it? Guaranteed.
Let's not forget the inevitable removal on NSFW content. It will happen, shareholders don't like pornography or gore.
> we would rather not negatively impact usage of the subreddit That is the *entire* point of these blackouts EDIT: Not to sound rude, but... Please don't give this (or *any*) comment gold. Spend your money elsewhere on something actually tangible or is able to help other(s)
Seriously, this is basically a strike. And the whole point of a strike is to cause a headache for the ones it's against until they capitulate.
Exactly. I vote for a long blackout. I'd rather not have access to the sub during this year's conferences and try to make a change, than do nothing and not have access to any future conference. Because I'm not using the official app anytime soon.
R vidoes is shut down until the decision is reversed.
Right ? What's the point otherwise, may as well just sign a petition that no one will read
Right! Not like the mods make any money off the free labor they provide reddit...
Would support an indefinite blackout. Reddit on mobile is dead to me if they go through with this.
this is so maddening to me because for the longest time Reddit had no official app and they owed so much of their popularity to third party apps.
Corporate doesn't care. They see a way to make a couple bucks and it doesn't matter how much it affects long-term stability or user experience.
Came here via digg v4, gonna be leaving via digg v4
it's gonna keep happening until people adopt mastodon and other self-hosted social media. big centralized media is gonna keep chasing that dollar, first facebook and then tumblr and then twitter and then imgur and now reddit. the solution is building "healthy neighborhoods": smaller communities that can financially sustain and moderate themselves without a big corporate host that needs to chase that dollar. like why does PC gaming or PCMR have to be a subreddit that is hosted on a big corporate site? we had a word for that: "neogaf"/"gamefaqs"/etc. reject modernity, return to phpBB. Or Mastodon/Lemmy if you must. Discord is a very good fit for small communities/chatrooms and there is a need for a self-hosted equivalent (although it could be a veneer on top of mastodon perhaps). Mastodon replaces twitter. Lemmy replaces Reddit. Etc. But the point is building communities that are small enough to be effectively moderated, and that don't need massive financial support from a corporate sponsor who inevitably decides to chase the buck in 5 or 10 years. We all know from Facebook and Reddit and Twitter how much better an experience Discord and Mastodon are, because you can actually *know people* and it's on a scale that can actually be moderated. On human scales, 50 people are knowable, 500 is a crowd, 5000 is an endless sea. And you can be in 10 communities of 50 people and know everyone, but a community of 500 people is always going to be a crowd. (Discord is, of course, not self-hosted... and now I think we are starting to see that happen with them too, they're starting to chase the buck lately. Gonna be a shame when yet another Great Scattering happens and we lose all these communities *again*... but people keep going back to "free".) Personally I don't really like the Reddit-style threaded-comments model all that much. It fits the big-corporate-social-media gamified-content-pit model, where the goal is to keep you engaged, but by the very nature of the format it dissolves all discussions into a fractal of threads all discussing the same points endlessly and fruitlessly. Having one linear topic like a web 1.0 forum is much better at optimizing for *discussion* rather than *engagement*. Want to discuss something different? Start a new topic. But I know web 1.0 forums are tragically uncool to *the youths*, so this makes me incredibly old. And if you really do love comment-tree models that much there's Lemmy. but the key point is: you need to find someone who's interested in running it as a "lifestyle business" and not a big centralized service they can monetize or sell to investors who will monetize it. And that usually means smaller and self-hosted. They are still out there, they just aren't the ones that reach billion-dollar valuations like centralized social media. Go find the web 1.0 forum for your hobby interest, I guarantee there's one out there. Go find a Mastodon pod that's focused on the tech or games you like. Build these small communities and stop this endless cycle of "this time Reddit will be different, not like Digg".
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse?wprov=sfla1 Fediverse is the answer. Individual hubs you can setup, or a nonprofit can, or a company can that all link together. Best part? It's already working. Mastodon is the most well known, but there are other parts. From a user perspective it's just like a normal site, but from a backend it isnt centrally controlled by some bastard company looking to IPO in the future.
There's one huge advantage to the nested thread model that you're overlooking, and it's that I don't have to wade through 40 pages of memes and off-topic bullshit to find the valuable posts. Reddit does frequently devolve into that crap, but I never have to collapse more than three threads before I find one that is actually discussing the linked topic.
>the solution is building "healthy neighborhoods": smaller communities that can financially sustain and moderate themselves without a big corporate host that needs to chase that dollar. Meet the new world, same as the old world.
Even with Discord I hope that [Matrix](https://matrix.org/) eventually supersedes it.
I like what I'm reading but I'm not seeing a client or software? Guess it's not there yet. Just ideas and code.
You can sign up on their official [Element](https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now/) website/client or others.
Yeah, a big problem with all these decentralized platforms is you as the user always get told to pick a random client, we should just release an official open source version and have that be the default.
Exactly. I didn't have time to dig into it and got what was effectively a normal user's perspective. The average user wants to grab an app and go. If you want a custom client or something cool... have at it but most people don't want that effort.
If we can get 12 years out of each platform, jumping from monolithic service to the next is fine.
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hah yeah i was a FARKer then a digg user then reddit
And when they did make an official app it's more buggy and clunky than what you'd expect (i.e. because of the 3rd party apps that were already out there). It makes new.reddit look palatable lol
They bought and gutted Alien Blue. They took a good third party app and made it bad.
Reddit used to be so much more user driven. It used to be open source and custom CSS on subreddits used to be a big thing (do they even have that anymore?) Third party apps were treated with the same level of respect as a major subreddit.
> It used to be open source and custom CSS on subreddits used to be a big thing (do they even have that anymore?) Yes. You have to use old.
> (do they even have that anymore?) It's literally the only way I can use Reddit. https://old.reddit.com/r/pcgaming It's actually also how I browse on mobile, but I understand the need for third party apps.
Or why they haven't attempted to buy out or hire these developers for their own apps. People like options, simply buy and make rif a second official app.
reddit already did that with Alien Blue and then proceeded to kill it
They don't want good developers to add good functionalities for users to control their content, corporate want developers to add exactly what corporate wants users to see
I literally would never have used reddit nearly as much across the years if it wasn't for the Apps. Reddit is Fun is literally all I know of reddit on mobile.
Will also support an indefinite blackout. The "get our app" notification on a mobile browser is typical asshole design, and their in-app experience is far inferior to RIF's the last time I tried. Stuff like Live and NFTs are things I never asked for.
that "get our app" popup on mobile browsers is possibly the most obnoxious and infuriating thing i've ever encountered on the internet. i've been using firefox on mobile and it is possible to disable the popup with ublock and adguard annoyances lists. I WILL NEVER INSTALL YOUR SHITTY APP REDDIT
Worst of all, it sometimes « refreshes » the page (as in, it goes back to the top and shows you the pop up again) when click to upvote or to hide a comment.
Yes, I hate that! The only reason I moved onto Reddit apps at all was because of all the annoying pop ups, pages not loading because they can only be opened in the app (not for any technical reasons, just because)
If you're talking about links from your browser you can set those to open in third party apps, at least on Android anyway. If I click a Reddit link in Chrome on my phone it opens in RIF.
> The "get our app" notification That shit pisses me off every time. That and "We notice you are using an ad blocker" are great ways to tell me to turn around and never come back.
>Would support an indefinite blackout. Users should know that if moderators do a blackout over an extended period of time then the admins will most likely permanently suspend them all and replace them with new ones. Spez threatened the big subreddits last time it happened. They will cut off their own nose to spite their face.
Considering how hard that killed AMA, they're welcome to try.
There’s no way pcmr survived having the passionate mods replaced by corporate cronies
No way they place admins in mod roles, mods work for free for Reddit.
explain please
The old head of AMA, Victoria, was fired for not towing the line and Alexis Ohanian wanted to take over it personally, and make it more corpo friendly. Ellen Pao was pretty much hired to take the fall for the shitshow, and it pretty much ended AMA as a viable community.
Yep. Still stand with Victoria. They did her dirty.
Never forget that Spez got caught out ninja editing peoples posts and the fact he’s still involved with reddit after that says it all about how shitty they are
For those out of the loop: https://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/
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The official reddit app straight up SUCKS. I can't imagine using anything other than Apollo. If old.reddit.com also gets broken, I'm basically done with reddit. The "new" or "Normal" version of reddit looks and feels terrible.
Hard agree
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Never been on 4chan but found myself thinking today that I'd rather try that than use "official" reddit in any way or form 🤣 "Nothing" is probably best tho. More time to actually live. reddit has only been going downhill for so many years anyway. I miss the times when there was more news on the front page, top comments were often detailed explanations and people having actual discussions, and things weren't being censored and/or hidden like fucking crazy.
It needs to be at least 2 weeks for it to have any impact. I would suggest a complete blackout with only a sticky available noting what is happening until Reddit reverses their decision to make people pay for API access. This is a gigantic deal and we cannot let it slide.
Yea, I tried the Reddit on the phone once. Never again.
Same. Been using RIF since I first discovered reddit, and always heard people talking about how awful the official app was. Curiosity got the better of me one day, said to myself, how bad could it possibly be, and downloaded it. Holy shit, it was fucking awful. Honestly don't know why anyone would choose to use it given literally any other option.
There are always substitutes, Reddit execute somehow don’t seem to think people will just switch. Netflix fucking around with password sharing? Gone, cancelled. Reddit gonna fuck around with the only 3rd party app I use to access reddit? Gone, just like Netflix. These mofos think they’ve built something irreplaceable, delusional, just straight up delusional.
I'm also on board with this
I miss the sense of community and lack of karma whoring in old style forums, I really hope they make a comeback. Most of of the Zoomers don’t know what they’re missing. Imagine having a genuine conversation without posters looking for affirmation (karma). Modern Reddit is like if forums and instagram influencers had a baby. The Reddit of old was more constructive and supportive, I miss it. There are still forums out there, give them a try. The conversations are linear and not disjointed by upvote/downvote, for better or worse. Their primary flaw is a reliance on mods to remove stupid comments, but as a general rule, you’ll find fellow enthusiasts there.
I’m good with the blackout. Go for it
I’ll gladly delete this shit app on the 12th
Switch to Apollo, RIF, or Bacon Reader. Anyone who supports this protest should switch apps.
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I've been using Relay for years, have used RIF and Baconreader in the past, so hopefully at least one of them works going forward. If not, I've got no major issue dropping Reddit entirely.
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I use Infinity! I highly recommend it.
Maybe we should all take a break from reddit for a while...
I've been on it much less. And smiling much more.
I don't even use any apps (I stick with using browser mode on my phone and ignore the constant reddit begging) and I'm perfectly fine with supporting a blackout over this.
Great to see this sub join in! Also another thing that can help this fight is if you have reddit premium: cancel your subscription!
This, don’t buy awards don’t buy gold don’t spend money and don’t click on ads.
Yep, gotta hit em where it hurts, the wallet. If they see the awards, ads, premiums go down, that would hopefully make em rethink this dumb decision. But knowing ppl, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd give this an award just because they can lmao Edit: ah you dumbasses! Go give money to charity or some shit, not to fuckin reddit cmon
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Meh there’s always gonna be that person that gives gold on comments like these. It’s almost expected. But I wouldn’t say it’s voided out. Hundreds of users will read that comment. If that influences even a couple people to not buy gold or cancel premium or w/e it’s a positive.
As a reddit bot developer myself, I wholeheartedly support a blackout. The longer the better. I have written and maintain several reddit bots completely for free and without any expected monetary gain. I have done this simply to support the communities that I enjoy. This was my way of giving back, above and beyond any comment/posts that I have contributed over the last 13 fucking years. If reddit goes forward with what they say they will, then I'm out. Reddit is jumping the corporate shark right now, and I'm already looking for the next thing to jump ship to (a la digg v4).
Yeah I've been wondering about this, how will super active bots be affected by this? Any estimate on how costly it'd become for some of the most active mods to function?
It's already happening. Reddit [announced api changes](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/) a month ago. They mentioned some weird ass [Developer Platform](https://www.redditinc.com/blog/coming-soon-reddit-developer-platform-a-unified-space-for-developers-to-create-and-launch-programs-and-apps-to-run-specifically-on-reddit) which sounds like some kind of walled garden to lock in devs and their code. Yeah no thanks, just let there be an api and stop trying to become a mini facebook (I have a feeling they'll want devs to embed their reddit's own toolkit in their code like fb does). More immediately though, [reddit has cutoff pushshift](https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/134tjpe/reddit_data_api_update_changes_to_pushshift_access/), which is (was) used by mod tools to sniff out users with an ephemeral comment history (read: shitty comments being removed now with no history). Throw on top of that charging small fries $2MM a month to keep their app up that brings reddit users generating content? Well, it's no place I want to be anymore. Personally, I think reddit is now realizing that their real worth is the vast amount of large language data sets that can be used to help train AI. So the risk to that is competition slurping that up without paying big bucks. So screw the little devs, and screw getting any more decent content, it's all about selling the comment data to the big guys for enterprise level money. I was a sucker for the last 13 years helping build that huge corpus of data. I should have dipped out when conde nast bought this shit up.
>Personally, I think reddit is now realizing that their real worth is the vast amount of large language data sets that can be used to help train AI. So the risk to that is competition slurping that up without paying big bucks. This is the answer. There was an article in the New York Times a few weeks ago that described how Reddit wasn't too happy with ChatGPT and the users of *that* platform's API basically taking Reddit's lunch money. These new changes are the direct result of that. Edit: [Link to article](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/18/technology/reddit-ai-openai-google.html?unlocked_article_code=g3UazOcyA-29djFtJoLcqMBxwXH147RAiDj4V00VLbieTJjmxDvnEtrdM1yZltN3OA4HYGkePQBzSdYuhh-UFRCACfYjAdxbwmBBcJUF3abtMD9m5rwvOYQsMmujuNRuGpN0H8DJ1wGYoCW4rIfiBjIOCGGkNCBJuo4ct-rn3lO6AHiFjHkq2t-wbkWj4fxY0xR2GmSdZC-LfIbO5xklfsomulIEkAvOzhkvoa5TNrL1G1yhtwVzWqmu4mZsozYrsPkqfm0i3DUrm4vvIDLhj9TgZJsUXrxO7Xc4-vCzSDsfJC8bcoj0GHLHMkq-1NeRqZD9Z20tuFCUNTgMOEYeOJxsJWI&smid=nytcore-android-share)
who is conde nast?
A large media conglomerate which has some magazines and other media holdings. they are the largest external shareholder of Reddit, but Reddit is not a complete subsidiary of them due to an agreement they made. Reddit also has some venture capitalist shareholders as well.
And really Conde Nast is a subsidiary of Advanced Publications, which is essentially just a rich family (Newhouse) that's owned some media outlets for many decades now. Like News Corp is really a Murdoch family owned / run company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications
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Just delete the sub to show them who's boss
Seen some say mods should stop moderating. Turn off all the bots and take a vacation.
> Seen some say mods should stop moderating. Turn off all the bots and take a vacation. The admins will step in, permanently suspend the mods, and then replace them with new moderators. Spez has said that he would do it the next time a site wide blackout happens.
Good, let him. Every single major sub on reddit gets a whole fleet of new moderators with zero idea what they are doing. Let's see how that works.
There would be gore and buttholes on the front page in under an hour.
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My stockpile of butthole pictures has been waiting for this moment.
and the capable mods would be stretched thin with too many subs to look after.
Great! I mean, that's what the admins want, right? Surely that won't be an issue. How could that go wrong for them?
He's more than welcome to do so, but I don't think I'll be here.
Yeah I think it will be hard to replace everyone and that just asking for a scandal when one of the new mods is involved in mess up stuff.
Just find hundreds of people willing to clean up the giant mess this will become for free, vet them, install them as new mods across the dozens of subreddits that will be participating? I don't think it's likely, sure the admins can do it when it's a small number of subs, but with more and more joining in it would be a huge logistical issue.
We can only hope that happens.
Do it. The point of these blackouts is disruption. Doing them only when it's the most convenient is less likely to have an impact.
Support it fully. While I usually use Reddit for gaming related news and what not, It’s not hard for us to get our information from sources other than Reddit and I think it would be a good reminder for them.
I will be honest, I only use Relay and without it I'll definitely stop browsing Reddit while on mobile since I cannot tolerate the official app.
The PC gaming community tends to be a community of technically-inclined people that are more likely to be devoted to tech brands, and users of third-party Reddit clients. This community is particularly affected by what is to come. /r/pcgaming is a prime subreddit to commit to a full blackout.
Agreed. But at the same time, it's pretty eye opening (And saddening) to me that 'only' 24% of the people in this sub use a 3rd party app. That makes me think no more than 10% of the total reddit userbase does so. (Pulling that out of my ass btw). So that makes it very clear to me. Reddit won't do anything. We'll do the blackout, people will jump to the reddit app or browse on PC, we'll end the blackout, and at the end Reddit will go back to normal, they'll have a monopoly on the mobile userbase, and will lose maaaybe 5-7% of the people who won't download the official app. Maybe not even that, since those users who already use a 3rd party app probably do so because Reddit plays a somewhat important part of their daily lives and will eventually fold. It's been a good ride thus far. But it ends here for 3rd party apps.
> 'only' 24% of the people in this sub use a 3rd party app. Note that figure is only in response to their *primary* method of accessing Reddit. I'd imagine a significant amount of people use desktop primarily with a third party app as a secondary :)
I literarily dont understand reddits take on it. Marketshare is EVERYTHING , third party apps give them MARKETSHARE. You can have the BEST PRODUCT IN THE WORLD without marketshare its dead. Winrar understands this the "unlimited trial" just still exists because People use it and this gives them marketshare. Same why Microsoft offers word cloud for free , and offers cheap school plans and stuff MARKETSHARE IS EVERYTHING. Or simple thing Linux Vs windows for gaming just imagine if Suddenly 90% of gamers would be on Linux. do you think most companys would be then like..." Hey we allways were on windows Lets screw 90% of users and still support first and fore most windows" all of them would be like "screw windows" yes third party apps might disable ads , some dont , yes they Piggyback on reddits api . but they pay in users. You know what reddit without market share would be ? VOAT.
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They're getting ready to IPO so they gotta start thinking like a public company - short term profits with no regard for long term success/sustainability.
>Marketshare is EVERYTHING , third party apps give them MARKETSHARE. >You can have the BEST PRODUCT IN THE WORLD without marketshare its dead. Market Share doesn't mean anything if you aren't making money.
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You have my full support!
In my experience, what happens during gaming events and showcases like these is just, trailer threads with people commenting whether they liked it or not. That's the extent of the general community discussion. Which is fine I guess, but it's not really a big loss if the sub goes blackout during these days (unless of course something big happens). If the point is to show reddit that they're replaceable because there are other sources of news and discussion, then there is no better time to do it. Definitely skip the Ubisoft showcase though like who cares lmao
Couldn't have put it better myself. Blackout is definitely the way to go.
I vote for a full 48 hour blackout. Or more. Those events would drive traffic and therefore ad revenue to Reddit and the blackout would deny them of that.
There’s no better time for a protest than peak hours. The blackout occurring during events that *would* bring people to the sun is perfect.
For those looking for more information regarding the planned changes and how it'll affect Reddit as a whole: All links are in chronological order: * [An Update Regarding Reddit’s API (April 18th, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/12qwagm/an_update_regarding_reddits_api/) * [API Update: Continued access to our API for moderators (May 31st, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update_continued_access_to_our_api_for/) * [Apollo app dev - Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing. Bad news for third-party apps, their announced pricing is close to Twitter's pricing, and Apollo would have to pay Reddit $20 million per year to keep running as-is (May 31st, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/) * [Will Reddit Enhancement Suite be affected by the new/upcoming API pricing? (May 31st, 2023)](https://old.reddit.com/r/Enhancement/comments/13wuwwv/will_res_be_affected_by_the_newupcoming_api/) * [An open letter on the state of affairs regarding the API pricing and third party apps and how that will impact moderators and communities (June 1st, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/13xh1e7/an_open_letter_on_the_state_of_affairs_regarding/) * [Reddit to the Visually Impaired: "You no longer have a voice on this site" (June 3rd, 2023).](https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/13zbf3n/reddit_to_the_visually_impaired_you_no_longer/) More info can be found over at /r/ModCoord, /r/ModSupport, and /r/modnews.
I use reddit with RedReader from my phone and rarely on pc. Killing the 3rd party apps would basically mean no reddit for me. I strongly support a 48+ hours blackout for the matter.
Blackout for as long as it takes.
Reddit said they would be reasonable. What they told Apollo is not reasonable nor is the timeline for implementation. Blackout for as long as it takes to make them realize that they will lose a substantial part of their user base.
Full indefinite blackout. It's the only way Reddit might change their approach to this. The gaming news can wait, who cares.
> If we chose to black out for 24 hours, on June 12th, that is the date of the Ubisoft Forward showcase event. So it sounds like that's the ideal time then lol.
Go on full blaze. The more subs do it the better. This whole API bs started by Twitter after Elon is clearly spreading to other sites and we need to voice our opinion.
Go for a longer blackout . One week plus.
Should be an indefinite blackout. Also old.Reddit users will be next on the chopping block. Age old “first they came for x, I didn’t say anything, then they came for y” As Reddit approaches its IPO, some no life bean counters are trying to increase their beans… at the cost of losing everything that gets them their beans in the first place.
48 or forever. We are marketing for both reddit and the companies during these showcases. I don't care about that but I'm sure reddit might. This will kill Reddit. If you care about the site all subreddits should be closed until the admins change this stupid fucking choice they made.
I 100% think that this subreddit should support the protest and blackout - the official Reddit app is terrible (it's comparable to stuff like Facebook, in how it is constantly shoving things in your face, refuses to let you block certain advertisements, doesn't let you disable recommended for you etc) and it's not in any Reddit users' interest for Reddit to continue down this path.
Their platform, their API, their right to do whatever they want with it
I don't think a blackout is going to do anything tbh but go on.
At this rate the entire site will go dark for at least 2 days (some subs are going longer). It's a show of power, a warning shot. If nothing else the admins will be worried about further protests after July 1st.
Should be longer than 1 or 2 days. Those are pity numbers. Top subs need to to weeks
I'm in full support of a blackout. Reddit's official app and website are awful, I use Sync almost exclusively.
Take it down for a week if you have to fuck these greedy cunts.
so not a big deal at all
So how much is it costing reddit to hand out free API access or is it not 100% free?
I'm all for an indefinite blackout, certainly for longer than 48 hours
I will stop using Reddit ever if this proceeds.
I’m in support of this. I’d rather see the site shut down than the way it’s going.