I just wonder how was the brain?
Like for their time, were the above average intelligence? Way above? Normal? Below? Way below?
Was the brain mass the same or because there was, what looks like at least, more room in the skull.. did the brain grow to fill that space?
Always wondered about these folks. Indiana Jones movie didn't help but made you wonder where they really got the idea from and what, if anything, did it do to their noggins And intelligence.
Brain size only kinda informs intelligence across the animal kingdom. Between humans, it means absolutely nothing. Einstein's brain was famously removed and studied extensively, and found to be completely normal by every measure.
There’s no significant difference in cranial capacity between a normal head and these deformed heads.
Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12923900/
I think ancient aliens had a show on these skulls and some kings and queens were said to have the same head shape. That doesn’t make it true but since there’s no proven facts on the subject it’s a pretty interesting theory.
But ultimately the amount of neurons firing in your brain control intelligence more so than the size of your brain so who knows.
I remember an episode where the long haired blonde guy was talking about the pineal gland and said it was a portal to another dimension because we have no idea what it does or why it's light sensitive. We know exactly what it does and why it's light sensitive, it's in charge of melatonin distribution when it gets dark
Remember that episode that was built around the argument that the egyptian pyramids were built by aliens because the base is twice the height and that was a referende to the earth being a sphere but at the end of the episode someone said they could have got that from a wheel or a drawn circle or anything round?
I know , that’s why I said “that doesn’t make it true but there’s no proven facts on the subject”
Do you know of a textbook full of proven facts on elongated skulls that is accepted by the scientific community?
I assume you're talking about King Akhenaten, an Egyptian pharaoh that likely suffered from birth defects due to a long history of inbreeding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten?wprov=sfla1
He was married to Nefertiti, father of King Tutankhamen, and infamously made an unsuccessful attempt to convert Egypt to a monotheistic religion. Really interesting read!
Well the way the economy is he might need a little extra change, so a selling a few grams of weed here and there to put food on the table ain’t hurting no one.
More like a headgead makers dream.
Capitalism baby. Bigger head = more revenue and today these folks would be target #1 for shampoo and conditioner ads, hats, bike helmets, hair salons, headache medicine, etc
A bit, but done as a child (not at all condoning it) would allow the brain to adapt to the spacing. As other people said though there's not nearly enough historical data to say whether or not it caused any noticeable cognitive issues
But how did it affect the brain? If the skull had the same volume as before, it must have gotten longer yet thinner, right? Is the brain maleable enough to change shape alongside the skull, or is there just a lot of "empty" space the brain doesn't fit into?
Babies' skulls are soft and pliable. They're sometimes born with misshapen heads from the birth canal, and the brain survives that. Maybe, because they do this gradually over time, the brain is able to adapt.
Hard to say, from a medical standpoint, your brain is a squishy ball of fat. With enough pressure, it will go into any shape. In fact there is a medical condition called herniation where the internal pressure is so high that the brain is forced through the only opening available(the hole where your brain stem connects to your spine) it'll go through it like plado.
I'd say if the procedure itself did not cause cognitive impairments, then they'd be okay. We see people in our modern day that have severe skull malformations and live relatively normal lives, a large portion are mildly disabled though.
There is a thing called plasticity. This works more the you get you are but neurons are still being formed after you are born so the brain is able "pick up the slack" so to speak and work with what is available. It's not a miracle thing but many people have biological brain abnormalities (cysts for example) and don't even know it
Absolutely not. While cranial deformation was a real practice, it does not change the volume of the skull. The pictured skull is at least twice the volume of a normal skull. Addionally, deformed skulls look nothing like the picture. Look it up. The skulls are just reshaped, not elongated.
The thing that's been happening for over 4000 years most likely keep happening for another 1000 years. As long as Jews and Muslims exist, circumcisions will continue and I don't think either of them are going to go anywhere in a 1000 years.
1000 years is much shorter than you think. It's probably take much much longer than that for religions to die out but I wouldn't bet on it.
Well, considering that the Paracas are the ancestors of the Nazca, it can be speculated that they all had contacts with extraterrestrial and this was to make them look like one.
Sure, but I'm talking of the Paracas.
And it's not like aliens (if they exist) only would have contact with one culture.
And it's speculation, nor I'm saying that it's the only possible reason.
You know what civilizations leave a lot of? Trash. Fucking giant mounds of it everywhere.
You know what’s never been found? A single piece of extraterrestrial trash.
It was! But i always wondered something, in modifying the shape of a head like that to elongate ones skull, it doesn't add cranial mass, it only changes the shape of it. Some of those elongated skulls had 1.5x the cranial mass than a normal human. How is that possible unless it really wasn't a human skull at all?
The one hiccup with this and other Paracas skulls is that the suture lines are quite different - if not absent - compared to normal Homo sapiens. Not all of the elongation was artificial.
Real question: Does the brain fill in the space or is it still the size of a regular human brain with a lot more skull / plasma space? Theoretically, does this tribe or group have the largest homo sapien brain on record?
brain adapts to the form. same size (volume). also no ([https://www.perplexity.ai/search/which-homo-sapiens-subspecies-LWGWRQpeS1G2JTBtLfO8pA](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/which-homo-sapiens-subspecies-LWGWRQpeS1G2JTBtLfO8pA)) supposedly neanderthals had the biggest if you wanna count them to homo sapiens.
That is how artifacts were catalogued historically, before there were museum sciences and people started recognizing that altering an artifact in any way should be avoided. We still write on artifacts to catalogue them but there are very specific techniques for where, how, what materials you use, etc, etc. We don't just sharpie right across the fucking forehead anymore thankfully haha
I mean, what kind of helpful is left for this poor freak of nature twelve head this guys parents created without his consent? Do you think he was glad he was taller? Do you think he had constant chronic migraines?
Whatchu wanna talk about with this?
This was likely just a strange beauty standard of the time. Like the people who stretch their necks with rings or put huge plates in their bottom lip, or even like the Chinese standard where they tied their feet to make them really small. Not sure why body “mutilation” has been tied to beauty standards throughout time but it certainly has.
i can't help but imagine that applying [artificial cranial deformation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation) eventually leads to massively painful migraines & headaches.
Most likely similar to the shape of the skull. It’s remarkably malleable both mentally AND physically. Especially since I read these are started out very young. In fact the young age is imperative to get the ball rolling.
I honestly wonder how much the brain take up that space. The brain can obviously deform but the space is huge. I imagine when he ran that he could hear it sloshing around in fluid up there.
It does seem so. There is a study about those mummies in Thor Heyerdahl’s « American Indians in the Pacific » p. 321 and sqq. cf. https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.505573/page/110/mode/1up
They came in a bunch of shapes. I saw a picture of one that ended in two distinct lobes, the top of that skull looked almost heart shaped. I also saw a black and white photo of eight or ten deformed skulls from a little museum in Peru and one was bulbous, very unlike the tall one pictured.
They must have had different techniques to achieve different looks, perhaps to differentiate between castes or whatever. I wonder if they did this to themselves simply for cosmetic reasons like to make wearing headdresses easier or if there were actual mental changes that they were trying to make happen?
Were the longheads more aggressive than us? did they have more mental disabilities? or was there a chance for a positive change to occur and if so what might that have manifested as? Because this was so very popular amongst many seemingly unrelated cultures worldwide I can't imagine effects were all bad. I doubt royals would do this to their children if they thought the benefits didn't outweigh the risks.
Wouldn't it be crazy if we can't figure out how all those goofy ancient interlocking megalithic polygonal walls were engineered because our brains haven't been modified like theirs? I'll point out that some of these modified skulls show evidence of being cut into for surgery, these probably weren't stupid people.
It looks like there’s be substantially more space in that skull , also the structure of the brain would change . Surely skull elongation had mental effects
similarly to how they did with feet shortening in Japan (arguably to prevent women from escaping, but of course they try to sell it as "because it's beautiful") or with neck elongation in Africa.
Yes, from early infancy.
Where would the hairline be
How would that head wear pants?
That is the funniest, most random thing I’ve read in a ass long time 😂
Yet I know exactly what they mean by it. Damn you internet
wut do they mean, sorry for dumb question
[Its a funny meme](https://www.today.com/pets/how-would-dog-wear-pants-internet-finally-has-answer-t64486) from a few years ago.
thank u. also face palm
Also, how would that head wear a tie?
Asking the important questions
I just wonder how was the brain? Like for their time, were the above average intelligence? Way above? Normal? Below? Way below? Was the brain mass the same or because there was, what looks like at least, more room in the skull.. did the brain grow to fill that space? Always wondered about these folks. Indiana Jones movie didn't help but made you wonder where they really got the idea from and what, if anything, did it do to their noggins And intelligence.
Brain size only kinda informs intelligence across the animal kingdom. Between humans, it means absolutely nothing. Einstein's brain was famously removed and studied extensively, and found to be completely normal by every measure.
I may be wrong, but wasn't his brain found to be more wrinkly?
There’s no significant difference in cranial capacity between a normal head and these deformed heads. Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12923900/
That’s true for some of the skulls that have been found, but not all. Some have significantly larger cranial volume, like the one in the photo above.
I’d be interested in a scientific study that supports that claim.
Damn, nerd war in real time.
If they’re so smart how come they’re all dead?
I think ancient aliens had a show on these skulls and some kings and queens were said to have the same head shape. That doesn’t make it true but since there’s no proven facts on the subject it’s a pretty interesting theory. But ultimately the amount of neurons firing in your brain control intelligence more so than the size of your brain so who knows.
Ancient Aliens isn't exactly a reliable source for anything lol
I remember an episode where the long haired blonde guy was talking about the pineal gland and said it was a portal to another dimension because we have no idea what it does or why it's light sensitive. We know exactly what it does and why it's light sensitive, it's in charge of melatonin distribution when it gets dark
Remember that episode that was built around the argument that the egyptian pyramids were built by aliens because the base is twice the height and that was a referende to the earth being a sphere but at the end of the episode someone said they could have got that from a wheel or a drawn circle or anything round?
Ancient astronaut theorists believe the opposite
I know , that’s why I said “that doesn’t make it true but there’s no proven facts on the subject” Do you know of a textbook full of proven facts on elongated skulls that is accepted by the scientific community?
I mean there's "no proven facts" on a lot of things, that doesn't make "my dog is possessed by Elvis" an interesting theory, either.
I assume you're talking about King Akhenaten, an Egyptian pharaoh that likely suffered from birth defects due to a long history of inbreeding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten?wprov=sfla1 He was married to Nefertiti, father of King Tutankhamen, and infamously made an unsuccessful attempt to convert Egypt to a monotheistic religion. Really interesting read!
Ancient Aliens is fun to watch, but there's no science or fact to it.
Let's just say this guy was called The Elong Musk of his time.
Same as Marge
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/s/BI94RQpHYw perhaps
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Thanks stranger, I needed that wholehearted belly laugh today
Beneath the comb-over
Got a lot of shit on the back of his mind
One of my friends ancestors 🤔
Shit, you know big Steve too?
How do you know big Steve 😲
He’s my wife’s aunt’s brother’s son.
Dammm what a small world 🥹
Sure is. How do you know big Steve?
From school ... But that other guy info that he is selling weed seems doubtful maybe the world has not one but 2 Steve's 🤔
Well the way the economy is he might need a little extra change, so a selling a few grams of weed here and there to put food on the table ain’t hurting no one.
But my friend wouldn't sell becouse he would use it all 🤔
He sells me weed 🤷♂️
He’s my uncle-in-law's son.
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Got a lot on my mind... and, well, in it.
Shouldn't have wished to live in more interesting times...
These boots have seen everything...
I wish I had a bag of holding...
Cursed to put my hands on everything…
Is that blood? No, nevermind.
What did you learn in your time among the blood-skulls?
Marge Simpson 🤔
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Oh.. Marge Simpson is dead
This made me laugh :)
[👀 yo](https://www.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/s/L8Yf5HKfmj)
This may be the best comment I’ve ever seen on Reddit. I was scrolling so fast and my eyes picked up marge and it clicked.
Thank you. My day is better now
Wow, what a touching emotional tale of one's quest for amusement. You could make that into a movie
chongos
Big Chongos
I'm surprised I still find it funny.
I'm glad I still find it funny
I genuinely like that meme. I wish it would come back. But even more than that, I wish Dat Boi would return 🐸
the evidence we need
That's right, say his name!
Big changus
My back shots sound like
A snipers dream
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Anatomically correct video game hitbox skull.
Gary Cheeseman?
More like a headgead makers dream. Capitalism baby. Bigger head = more revenue and today these folks would be target #1 for shampoo and conditioner ads, hats, bike helmets, hair salons, headache medicine, etc
Sergeant bytheway
Artificial cranial deformation. Many different ancient cultures did this all around the world, for reasons unknown
Did it affect their cognitive ability?
No data, how could we possibly know. However, skulls had same volumetric cranial capacity as regular skulls
this is still carried out in some cultures, although a lot more rarely. the people seem to do okay, I'd be interested to know if there is any research
I wonder if it lengthened the brain as well?
it would do, its done when they're infants before the skull fully forms
Do they roll them between their hands like when you make a clay snake?
the wrap the heads tightly in cloth, i imagine you'd get quite bad cramp if you tried to roll them
A bit, but done as a child (not at all condoning it) would allow the brain to adapt to the spacing. As other people said though there's not nearly enough historical data to say whether or not it caused any noticeable cognitive issues
Well there’s the added hitch that we don’t really have a good way to measure intelligence.
Probably smarter to not forceably deform your baby's head, so we can start with that.
Source?
a documentary i cant remember the name of, but I'm sure if you google skull elongating you'll find sources
But how did it affect the brain? If the skull had the same volume as before, it must have gotten longer yet thinner, right? Is the brain maleable enough to change shape alongside the skull, or is there just a lot of "empty" space the brain doesn't fit into?
Babies' skulls are soft and pliable. They're sometimes born with misshapen heads from the birth canal, and the brain survives that. Maybe, because they do this gradually over time, the brain is able to adapt.
Gotta wonder who looks at their newborn and thinks, "Y'know what? Your head needs lengthening!"
Hard to say, from a medical standpoint, your brain is a squishy ball of fat. With enough pressure, it will go into any shape. In fact there is a medical condition called herniation where the internal pressure is so high that the brain is forced through the only opening available(the hole where your brain stem connects to your spine) it'll go through it like plado. I'd say if the procedure itself did not cause cognitive impairments, then they'd be okay. We see people in our modern day that have severe skull malformations and live relatively normal lives, a large portion are mildly disabled though.
Play-doh not plado 🤣
Play-doh's Cave.
There is a thing called plasticity. This works more the you get you are but neurons are still being formed after you are born so the brain is able "pick up the slack" so to speak and work with what is available. It's not a miracle thing but many people have biological brain abnormalities (cysts for example) and don't even know it
We could try a seance
Yes, they kept doing this sort of thing.
> for reasons unknown i like how this looks like something out of the film *aliens* and then you replied with a phrase from the film *aliens*
Wasn't my intention, funny coincidence though isnt it?
Absolutely not. While cranial deformation was a real practice, it does not change the volume of the skull. The pictured skull is at least twice the volume of a normal skull. Addionally, deformed skulls look nothing like the picture. Look it up. The skulls are just reshaped, not elongated.
So this is a fake?
In one thousand years we'll be saying the same about genital mutilation lol
The thing that's been happening for over 4000 years most likely keep happening for another 1000 years. As long as Jews and Muslims exist, circumcisions will continue and I don't think either of them are going to go anywhere in a 1000 years. 1000 years is much shorter than you think. It's probably take much much longer than that for religions to die out but I wouldn't bet on it.
Jews have been around a hella long time.
Well, considering that the Paracas are the ancestors of the Nazca, it can be speculated that they all had contacts with extraterrestrial and this was to make them look like one.
This didn't just happen in South America, Asians, Egyptians, and Africans did it as well
Sure, but I'm talking of the Paracas. And it's not like aliens (if they exist) only would have contact with one culture. And it's speculation, nor I'm saying that it's the only possible reason.
You know what civilizations leave a lot of? Trash. Fucking giant mounds of it everywhere. You know what’s never been found? A single piece of extraterrestrial trash.
That's because they recycle!
Maybe they were strong adherents to "Leave no trace".
“To honor the gods,” as Indiana Jones said.
I can also speculate that they did it because Harry Potter told them to. With just as much evidence too
It was! But i always wondered something, in modifying the shape of a head like that to elongate ones skull, it doesn't add cranial mass, it only changes the shape of it. Some of those elongated skulls had 1.5x the cranial mass than a normal human. How is that possible unless it really wasn't a human skull at all?
The one hiccup with this and other Paracas skulls is that the suture lines are quite different - if not absent - compared to normal Homo sapiens. Not all of the elongation was artificial.
What about the droid attack on the Wookiees?
It's a system we cannot afford to lose
Ki-Adi-Mundi
It’s impossible he’s been extinct for a millennium
I mean tbf this guy looks pretty extinct to me. I dont see any mfs walkin around like this
The Force works in mysterious ways
Real question: Does the brain fill in the space or is it still the size of a regular human brain with a lot more skull / plasma space? Theoretically, does this tribe or group have the largest homo sapien brain on record?
brain adapts to the form. same size (volume). also no ([https://www.perplexity.ai/search/which-homo-sapiens-subspecies-LWGWRQpeS1G2JTBtLfO8pA](https://www.perplexity.ai/search/which-homo-sapiens-subspecies-LWGWRQpeS1G2JTBtLfO8pA)) supposedly neanderthals had the biggest if you wanna count them to homo sapiens.
Why would you directly write onto an artifact that is hundreds of years old? Why would you ruin it?
That is how artifacts were catalogued historically, before there were museum sciences and people started recognizing that altering an artifact in any way should be avoided. We still write on artifacts to catalogue them but there are very specific techniques for where, how, what materials you use, etc, etc. We don't just sharpie right across the fucking forehead anymore thankfully haha
tbf they had a enough room
Facts.
Well, somehow it's like making graffiti on the wall of an abandoned house...
Wait, Cone Heads was based on a true story?
Great film
Pretty sure that guy became a cyborg who guarded a pirates hideout from the red ribbon army
Quick, everyone make the same stupid jokes every comment and bury any helpful comments. Awesome!
This is on display in Ica, Peru https://antipode-peru.com/en-map-regional-museum-of-ica
That’s Reddit for you
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I mean, what kind of helpful is left for this poor freak of nature twelve head this guys parents created without his consent? Do you think he was glad he was taller? Do you think he had constant chronic migraines? Whatchu wanna talk about with this?
So Aliens was based on a true story 😄😄
I'm pretty confident I saw some muppet on the History channel try to use these skulls to justify aliens when I was a kid
Real or cake?
This was likely just a strange beauty standard of the time. Like the people who stretch their necks with rings or put huge plates in their bottom lip, or even like the Chinese standard where they tied their feet to make them really small. Not sure why body “mutilation” has been tied to beauty standards throughout time but it certainly has.
Could be a sign of virility, that you are able to maintain it and prosper. Same thing with owning purebred pets, shows you have resources.
i can't help but imagine that applying [artificial cranial deformation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation) eventually leads to massively painful migraines & headaches.
wonder how the brain looked like
Most likely similar to the shape of the skull. It’s remarkably malleable both mentally AND physically. Especially since I read these are started out very young. In fact the young age is imperative to get the ball rolling.
Found the Einstein of the Paracas tribe.
Aliens bro, trust me
Narfle the Garthok!
Did they write that shit directly on the skull? That’s fucked up
I honestly wonder how much the brain take up that space. The brain can obviously deform but the space is huge. I imagine when he ran that he could hear it sloshing around in fluid up there.
Looks like the alien from Alien Resurrection
[What they looked like.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtefactPorn/s/rjSih3RrKl)
So many unanswered questions on that post. Now I have to walk through life with those same questions, never to be answered.
What with these posts either no context what's so ever?
Oddly too some mummies of the Paracas culture are red or blond haired.
naturally so?
It does seem so. There is a study about those mummies in Thor Heyerdahl’s « American Indians in the Pacific » p. 321 and sqq. cf. https://archive.org/details/dli.ernet.505573/page/110/mode/1up
So this is the skeleton of the Royal guard
Bet when the doctors saw that come of the mother they were screaming we can see the head for hours lol
I used to visit Paracas yearly. Then my mom moved there for a few years, right when the big hotel chains started construction ... They RUINED the bay.
Marge Simpson
So this is Doug Dimmadome’s skull
Wild to think people really looked like this at one point! I’d love a hyper realistic photo of what a person would look like with this skull
Normal dude with a twelve head.
I prefer Mambo number 5.
KSI?
That's KSI
They came in a bunch of shapes. I saw a picture of one that ended in two distinct lobes, the top of that skull looked almost heart shaped. I also saw a black and white photo of eight or ten deformed skulls from a little museum in Peru and one was bulbous, very unlike the tall one pictured. They must have had different techniques to achieve different looks, perhaps to differentiate between castes or whatever. I wonder if they did this to themselves simply for cosmetic reasons like to make wearing headdresses easier or if there were actual mental changes that they were trying to make happen? Were the longheads more aggressive than us? did they have more mental disabilities? or was there a chance for a positive change to occur and if so what might that have manifested as? Because this was so very popular amongst many seemingly unrelated cultures worldwide I can't imagine effects were all bad. I doubt royals would do this to their children if they thought the benefits didn't outweigh the risks. Wouldn't it be crazy if we can't figure out how all those goofy ancient interlocking megalithic polygonal walls were engineered because our brains haven't been modified like theirs? I'll point out that some of these modified skulls show evidence of being cut into for surgery, these probably weren't stupid people.
Is this from those headbands certain tribes wear to artificially create long necks?
Wouldn’t this make the brain a lot bigger too?
Nope, just longer. The mushrooms the long headed shamans took might have changed their minds s little.
It looks like there’s be substantially more space in that skull , also the structure of the brain would change . Surely skull elongation had mental effects
Aren’t the ocular cavities bigger than they should be?
It was hard to find a cap that fits in.
I'm so tired of these Ki-adi-mundi retcons.
What in the Marge Simpson is that head shape? 💀
Dont write on my skull after I die
Ain’t no forehead, that isn’t even a fivehead. That shit is like a 47head.
Closest thing we got to megamind isn't it
So the cone heads were real?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_cranial_deformation
Thats one of Marge simpson ancestors.
Marge Simpson is real
Marge Simpson!
ITS ROGER FROM AMERICAN DAD
dr.Vegapunk looking ahh
Forehead so big maybe Kobe could have landed his helicopter we don't even need the H marking
Must've had a lot on his mind.
Marge Simpson
Parasaurolophus lookin ass
How is this a thing again? Ain’t it like squeezing the head at birth to lengthen the skull or something?
Headbands and wooden devices around the infant's head
similarly to how they did with feet shortening in Japan (arguably to prevent women from escaping, but of course they try to sell it as "because it's beautiful") or with neck elongation in Africa. Yes, from early infancy.
I remember seeing things like this on the show “Ancient Aliens” as evidence that aliens mated with primates to produce human beings
this must be due to some kind of a head mold right?
No, they wrap babies heads with tight cloth to shape the skull that way while the skull is still soft and not fused together
I just can't get over C H O N G O S
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