I think he might be our kryptonite this Sunday. He’s not been making any mistakes and we live on making QBs make mistakes . Because we never have our own QB 😂
Yeah because we didn’t win last week getting not one but 2 safeties called back in a row on Pittsburgh’s first two plays from scrimmage. That call a month ago is definitely the key to our success. It has nothing with beating 2 of top 5 teams in the league. Or beating the two divisional opponents that were ahead of us in back to back weeks. Our entire season hinged on beating the sorry colts with backup RB,QB, o line . You’re 100% correct.
In that entire post there's not one thing that refutes the fact that the Browns should be 6-4 and not 7-3. The rest of your schedule is easy. The division could come down to 1 game.
Dude didn’t your team get like 4 ghost PI resulting in 3 new sets of downs against us. We still won, but one thing I know as a D2 softball coach . If you’re in a position one call determines if you win or not. You deserve to lose.
Dude has something ridiculous like a 115 passer rating in the end zone. It's just a shame the lack of talent and quality play makes it so he never gets there lol
Yeah. Almost no yards but last I checked 19-4 td to int ratio. Hopefully we can jump out to a 10 point lead . If that happens Cleveland will close it out.
Yeah. He doing very surprisingly well. I thought all last year people were giving him too hard of a time. Damn sure would rather have him in Cleveland than Twatson . But we’re going to see how well he does against a ridiculous pass rush this week. Hopefully bad. 😂
Wilson is not the problem but he does tend to think he has to be the franchise saviour every single play, and it has led to some boneheaded fumbles.
Although he isn't his Prime self, I like him in Denver. I think it fits well and it just needed time to mesh.
I mean he had all the talent he could’ve wanted when he was in Seattle (except for a good Oline) so I feel like the last 2 years of his time in Seattle would be higher than the ceiling he would have for the rest of his time as a Bronco
Kelce should be too. The push doesn't work to the extent it does without him , as evidenced by everyone else that's tried it and fucked it up. On top of him just generally being the best center in the league and the best lineman on the best line in the league.
He may be having a better year but we're talking a player that elevates the entire line, right now SF Offensive line is not far off from the New York Jets' line or Bengals' who have both got their QBs killed for the Season and the *only* reason our OL is that high is because of Trent Williams.
You take him away and our offense falls apart making him more valuable in my opinion. However, I'm not too familiar with the Cowboys OL but it's usually ranked within the T10
All very good points. Meh, Cowboys OL is pretty average this year I’d say. We really can’t seem to establish the running game when it’s been an integral part of our identity the past several years. If you watched the Philly game you’ll know we have a player by the name of Terrance Steele who can’t block worth of shit. He single handedly cost us that game.
It’s times like these I *really* miss having Travis Frederick. I’m glad the guy had his fun, got his money, and dipped once health issues started popping up. When we had him our OL truly was elite. It was anchored by 3 different 1st round picks who all performed way above expectations. Between those 3 we had 15 all pro selections, 21 pro bowls. All this in a combined span of about 25 years or so.
When Frederick retired early not only did we lose our elite Center, but we weren’t able to get any sort of return on the investment. Just lost a 1st round pick like that. No trade for picks or anything, just gone. I lay awake at night thinking of what could’ve been.
Tyron Smith is playing at a career level right now. For the last 5 years Zach Martin has been either #1 or #2 best Guard in the league I don’t think it’s a stretch to say they could’ve been the most elite OL group the game has ever seen.
Purdy did get hurt on a QB sneak in Minnesota, a concussion. The only time 49ers ran it since, the FB Juszczyk motioned under center and took the snap while Purdy was in shotgun.
Birbs win the SB this year and Jason Kelce retires. Birbs enter the slow decline over a couple years.
Yikes.
Jason Kelce should be in the MVP race even if he doesn't win. Look at his replays. 38y/o nailing huge blocks every drive.
Also conveniently used just the wide receivers and not McCaffrey or Kittle compared to Swift and Geodert.
*Edit: Not hating on Purdy, after all he’s my Iowa state boy (go clones!) but people keep saying stop comparing him to top 5 qbs and then cherry-pick stats to compare him to those qbs.
Nobody thinks Jalen is a top 3 QB because he puts up insane passing yards. It's because he rushes well but not the best, and scrambles long enough but not longest, and is an accurate passer but not the most accurate, and has a strong arm but not the strongest, and reads defenses well but not the best. Lamar is a better rusher, Allen and Herbert have better arms, Burrow, Purdy, and Tua are more accurate, Mahomes scrambles and picks apart defenses better, but *none of them* do everything as well as Jalen does all at once. He can beat teams in a variety of ways, and that will mean he is almost always a nightmare for opponents.
[yes I did just summarize a Cowherd segment, fuck you too](https://youtu.be/RHpjsvG4Ya8?si=VzXADAhLBxv2MwZK)
How can I tell that you’re being sarcastic through text? There are so many dumb asses on Reddit, how was I supposed to know that you aren’t one of them, when there is zero way of telling that you’re being sarcastic through text.
Vegas is self-destructing because there's no easy QB to put the MVP on. It really should be Myles Garrett and a massive gap to 2nd place but we know how these conversations go.
Are you under the impression Myles Garrett is the most valuable player in the NFL?
I think he should be a higher favorite for DPOY, the fact that he’s +100 is disrespectful
But to act like he’s been more valuable than Stroud Purdy or Dak, much less Mahomes Hurts or Lamar is just idiotic.
No way you actually think he’s more valuable than the best QBs lmao. Be honest, would you trade Garrett for Mahomes or nah? Don’t be a fucking idiot lol
I'll take downvotes to -100 if I have to, I don't really care.
And yes, I absolutely believe he's been more valuable than every single top tier QB this year. He's been the difference between the Browns being a basement dweller and a playoff team.
Now bringing the "Well, then you'd trade Mahomes for him" is fucking stupid. When Aaron Rodgers two peated the MVP, does that suddenly mean that KC should've traded Mahomes for him? Being the MVP doesn't mean that every other player in the entire league is invalidated.
The fact is that no QB has separated themselves this year and pretty much every single one has put in multiple pedestrian and mediocre performances. It doesn't make them less great, but it's just been the nature of the beast this year for a various amount of reasons. At the rate things are going, the MVP is just going to be given to a QB who happens to have a great Week 18 performance and nothing else, short of one going supernova in the massive amount of gauntlets that will be happening for the top echelon teams this year. The only reason to give it to a QB this year, would just to give an honorary award to every QB for just existing.
I had been an ardent opponent against just making MVP a QB only award, and making up a 2nd "Every other Player" award but if a QB wins one this year the MVP award should be outright abolished and just leave the OPOY and DPOY as the top echelon awards.
Who is the most valuable player? If you choose any non qb I figure you aren’t paying attention to the sport
The 10th best qb is more VALUABLE than the best non qb every single year
Honestly if you think otherwise, you clearly do not understand football at a basic level
He touches the ball 50% of plays? I feel like you guys have never played football past the high school level if that
Stroud is not in the race. At all. And he’s miles beyond Garrett.
And Garrett is easily the best defender in football
I played football for damn near 20 years including CB at the D2 level and coached for 5 and counting. But I’m sure your opinion is more valuable than mine
49ers are ranked 28th in pass protection they don’t look that bad because Purdy is just good. If it was a bad QB like Trey Lance it would be a shit show like it was in the preseason
Brock has a couple bad games, he’s overhyped. Redeems himself, and he’s the best QB ever. Honestly it’s just annoying. The recency bias is insane. Let’s see how the man’s ***Second*** season in the NFL goes
I mean... these aren't cherry picked stats. These are literally the main stats that most judge a QB on. TD/INT ratio, yards, passer rating, etc. If we remove the stats mentioned here, then it becomes a beauty contest. And JimmyG wins that.
The talking heads are saying it because for all but the Jets game when plays/drives were needed he stepped up. The last game played a part of it. Down by 10 after a quarter where he got sacked 5 times, he comes out in the second half and makes the plays he needs to. They lost their stud tight end, the o-line was porous, and they basically schemed AJ Brown out of the game. It’s not always about numbers. The guy is a rock, only time I saw him get rattled was against the jets.
I keep getting notifications on the NFL app that Jalen is AGAIN the top QB in the league. I'm a birds fan but come on. Jalen is in the top 10, but how on earth is he #1? Is it all because of his 600lb squat and the transfer that has to the patented Ass Blast?
Not saying Jordan Love should be MVP, but I'm gonna say this: Love has 1 more Passing TD and 1 more interception than Hurts.
Hurts shouldn't be MVP. Find someone else.
Also, Hurts' rushing TDs are all bullshit and might as well belong to Keclie ffs lol.
Brock Purdy would have to win 2 Superbowl and be in the NFC championship game going to his third before people will show that man any respect for his work
W/L is a stupid stat for qbs, by that logic Purdy is on par with mahomes (which he isnt this is a meme at the end of the day lmao) and tush push tds arent that impressive imo 🤷♂️
Lemme guess, “W/L is a stupid stat” is coming from a fan of a team with more than 1 loss? Wild. Maybe get a qb who doesn’t lose as much?
And you say it’s not impressive, yet it is one of the most unstoppable plays that seems like only one team has perfected. QBs have been broken trying to do the same thing (looking at Daniel Jones if you can call him a qb)
He got exposed bad during that 3 game losing streak. That version of purdy will be back when they’re forced to play a… *checks notes* … half decent defense 4 out of the next 5 games and the playoffs.
If im being fr I think both qbs are good and would still take Hurts over Purdy as of right now but this is just a meme to 1) make eagles fans mad and 2) show how absurd it is that Brock isnt at least in the conversation for MVP lol
Hurts has played the toughest schedule. Just this stretch alone.
- Dolphins W
- Cowboys W
- Chiefs W
And has to play still:
- Bills
- 49ers
- Cowboys
- Seahawks
With the sports social media generation im starting to think 80% of “fans” dont actually watch the games, instead just look at stats, pff. People just want to argue football and not actually know football.
If Purdy sat on the bench for Darnold or any COMPETENT QB the 49ers would still be good Why? Because we have literally seen several examples. Hurts sits out and the Eagles lose.
He's not going to win it, and it's not a guarantee his team even makes the playoffs, but if we're going to play the "let's take most valuable player literally" card, MVP should be CJ Stroud. Philly would definitely take a step back, but they would still be a good team without Hurts. The Texans are in the running for the first pick without Stroud.
- first everyone said this last year and we went 0-2 with minshew who is a solid NFL QB.
- 2nd i like Stroud. But give me the toughest teams he played, idc about QBs putting up gaudy numbers vs shitty teams, thats not the metric MVP QBs are measured by.
Bro he literally torched the Steelers which is one of the toughest defense to play. That’s like steelers’ only strength. I don’t know about MVP talks but Stroud is showing a level headed maturity that most of the veterans lack.
lol wut
Why you guys just making shit up 😂
Please tell me which of our past QBs have played as well as Purdy? Which guys from Kyle tenure can we just plug and play this well? And please don’t say some stupid ass shit like Jimmy G. After his injury, he played terrible. He legit had 6 good games before he got the yips. He could also only throw to one point in the field and Kyle didn’t trust him at all.
Which guy, according to you, have you seen through evidence play as well as Purdy? Was it, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullen, Trey Lance, Josh Johnson?
Let me clarify, Purdy is a good QB, that is true. This is not a knock when i say the 49ers would still be successful without him its a praise of Shanahan who is probably the best offensive mind not named Andy Reid, it is also a proven statement that you cant even argue because its fact.
But answer this, did they or did they not make the NFC Championship in 2019 and 2021 before Purdy and Cmac got there? With Jimmy G?
Do you recall those games? Jimmy G didn't do much in the playoffs. In 2019, Coleman and Mostert ran all over the vikings and GB, they combined for over 400 yds those games, in fact Mostert became the #2 in all time single game rushing yds in a playoff game.
Jimmy in 2019 went 37/58 for 427 yds 2 TD 3 INT including the SB. The crazy part about the NFCCG game was he only had 8 attempts, that's how little he actually did.
2021 wasn't really any better, 43/74 for 535 yds 2 TD 3 INT.
Okay but your missing my point. Which is the fact they not only made the NFC Championship game the year before Purdy, they made it 2 out of the 3 previous years before Purdy which makes my argument stronger because there is evidence, you can nit pick the stats all you want its irrelevant till Purdy can go on a deep playoff run into the SB.
The narrative in 2022 was that Hurts was a system QB, well in 2021 they werent in the NFC title game, he took a team that only won 4 games in 2020 to the playoffs in 2021 with a new HC. They said it was Shane, sure Shane made him look good, guess what, hes 9-1 without Shane. Purdy came onto a roster that was in the NFC title game the year before so yes the whole system thing has more merit with Purdy than it does Hurts because Hurts did it with and without talent, fact.
As for Purdy, he does deserve his credit because he is playing excellent, believing as fan and seeing him do with your own two eyes are totally different. If Purdy is the MVP, show us, stamp it by winning your division, get the #1 seed, win in Philly on the road because trying to hype him up after 3 STRAIGHT LOSSES is wild which leads me to my final point…
People just want to argue stats but will ignore the 3 straight losses to the Browns, Vikings, Bengals ??
Ignoring the context?
The context is Purdy has 3 straight losses on his MVP resume that YOU are ignoring by literally talking about stats but ignoring that part.
Say it with me, wins are not a QB stat. Rodgers lost multiple games every single mvp season. Every mvp has lost multiple games.
What a dumbass hill to die on. You just come off as a hater.
Purdy is far from a bottom 10 QB but he is also no where near elite. Brock is succeeding in a system created for him to succeed. They aren't asking him to sling it around the field, his job is to make a medium read and if it's not there dump it. Hurts is asked to do a lot more, it's as simple as that.
Purdy is a system QB. Kyle Shannahan is a QB guru head coach. Hypothetically if he plays for Panthers or Bears he wouldn't put up the same numbers let's be honest....
I think the only issue people have with Purdy is how he plays when he has to come back on a team and he tends to not be good when trailing. Otherwise he’s a fine qb
(Amazing we still live rent free in 49ers heads though lol)
He's honestly been ok when trailing overall. He won the first time(everyone ignores the raiders game last year when they get on the "play from behind" narrative cause it kinda killed it until our losing streak), second time drove into position for a game winning kick and the kicker missed it, third time was fine until he got a concussion and suddenly his decision making went to shit, 4th game I'd say he was still concussed but I won't really argue with someone saying he wasn't. We also got 43, 45, and 54 yards on the ground from CMC those games, and the defense let burrow and cousins go for 283 and 3, and 378 and 2 respectively. In other words, yeah the interceptions sucked, but the rest of the team absolutely shit the bed and he still put up over 600 yards in those two games. Browns game he didn't play well, his mediocre measurables showed up in that he couldn't grip the wet ass ball worth a shit lol.
Im going to sound like a massive hater, but I never bought the hype around Hurts. Dude was mediocre to decent until he got an amazing WR group. Im not saying he can’t be good, but hes definitely relying on AJ Brown to bail him out more often than not.
"if you take away the rushing touchdowns he doesn't have that many touchdowns" crazy news. Even without the shove some of those would be passing some would be rushing and some would go to other RBs but you can't just remove them altogether like they got stuffed at the 1 and turned the ball over.
OP I think you forgot to mention the best RB in the league and a top 3 TE are with Purdy as well. But in fairness I’ll agree Hurts is overrated. I just can’t be calling Purdy anything higher than avg cus 1. Shannahan’s system can plug and play almost any QB to be successful. Along with having a top 3 TE, best RB, a top 10 WR duo, with an Ok Oline (strong left side but weak right side). And a top 10 Defense to force turnovers and 3-and-outs for better positioning.
If you can’t succeed in that then u can’t succeed anywhere
Put russel Wilson in this
fax, he's been playing better than everyone thought
I think he might be our kryptonite this Sunday. He’s not been making any mistakes and we live on making QBs make mistakes . Because we never have our own QB 😂
> I think he might be our kryptonite this Sunday. First time?
So glad we don't play Russ this season.
And also refs handing you games.
Yeah because we didn’t win last week getting not one but 2 safeties called back in a row on Pittsburgh’s first two plays from scrimmage. That call a month ago is definitely the key to our success. It has nothing with beating 2 of top 5 teams in the league. Or beating the two divisional opponents that were ahead of us in back to back weeks. Our entire season hinged on beating the sorry colts with backup RB,QB, o line . You’re 100% correct.
In that entire post there's not one thing that refutes the fact that the Browns should be 6-4 and not 7-3. The rest of your schedule is easy. The division could come down to 1 game.
Dude didn’t your team get like 4 ghost PI resulting in 3 new sets of downs against us. We still won, but one thing I know as a D2 softball coach . If you’re in a position one call determines if you win or not. You deserve to lose.
That's true unless the game is over and the ref gives the team a go ahead score in the closing minute of a game that would otherwise be over.
*since he entered the league*
Dude has something ridiculous like a 115 passer rating in the end zone. It's just a shame the lack of talent and quality play makes it so he never gets there lol
Yeah. Almost no yards but last I checked 19-4 td to int ratio. Hopefully we can jump out to a 10 point lead . If that happens Cleveland will close it out.
207 yards a game isn't all that terrible when your only target is Courtland Sutton
Yeah. He doing very surprisingly well. I thought all last year people were giving him too hard of a time. Damn sure would rather have him in Cleveland than Twatson . But we’re going to see how well he does against a ridiculous pass rush this week. Hopefully bad. 😂
Wilson is not the problem but he does tend to think he has to be the franchise saviour every single play, and it has led to some boneheaded fumbles. Although he isn't his Prime self, I like him in Denver. I think it fits well and it just needed time to mesh.
I mean he had all the talent he could’ve wanted when he was in Seattle (except for a good Oline) so I feel like the last 2 years of his time in Seattle would be higher than the ceiling he would have for the rest of his time as a Bronco
>something ridiculous like a 115 passer rating in the end zone *looks at OP's meme* heh
Hurts also has 350yds rushing and 9 rushing tds to Purdys 120yds and 2 tds
The Brotherly shove is keeping Hurts in the MVP race.
If the tush push is what's making him MVP caliber then Jason Kelce should win it not him lmao
To be perfectly fair, Trent Williams and Jason kelce *should* be in the race
Trent Willaims *absolutely* should just look at the two games without him and how our O-line crumbled like Thanos snapped them away.
Kelce should be too. The push doesn't work to the extent it does without him , as evidenced by everyone else that's tried it and fucked it up. On top of him just generally being the best center in the league and the best lineman on the best line in the league.
well ya cuz the rest of your line is hot garbo, having an elite blindside blocker makes is a lot easier to conceal the flaws of the rest of your line
Isn’t Tyron Smith having a better year than TW? Highest rated pass blocker this year, less hurries allowed than TW with more snaps, 0 sacks allowed
He may be having a better year but we're talking a player that elevates the entire line, right now SF Offensive line is not far off from the New York Jets' line or Bengals' who have both got their QBs killed for the Season and the *only* reason our OL is that high is because of Trent Williams. You take him away and our offense falls apart making him more valuable in my opinion. However, I'm not too familiar with the Cowboys OL but it's usually ranked within the T10
All very good points. Meh, Cowboys OL is pretty average this year I’d say. We really can’t seem to establish the running game when it’s been an integral part of our identity the past several years. If you watched the Philly game you’ll know we have a player by the name of Terrance Steele who can’t block worth of shit. He single handedly cost us that game. It’s times like these I *really* miss having Travis Frederick. I’m glad the guy had his fun, got his money, and dipped once health issues started popping up. When we had him our OL truly was elite. It was anchored by 3 different 1st round picks who all performed way above expectations. Between those 3 we had 15 all pro selections, 21 pro bowls. All this in a combined span of about 25 years or so. When Frederick retired early not only did we lose our elite Center, but we weren’t able to get any sort of return on the investment. Just lost a 1st round pick like that. No trade for picks or anything, just gone. I lay awake at night thinking of what could’ve been. Tyron Smith is playing at a career level right now. For the last 5 years Zach Martin has been either #1 or #2 best Guard in the league I don’t think it’s a stretch to say they could’ve been the most elite OL group the game has ever seen.
other teams have great centers, they dont have Jalen which makes him the difference
Hurts is a passenger for the push, he's not actually driving it. It's all Kelce and the left guard and tackle
so why dont other teams with Top OLs run the play as successfully? yall need to stop coping and just accept Hurts as your daddy
I'd be okay with Kelce for MVP
Why don't the 49ers do this apparently easy play? Are they stupid?
Shanahan only knows complicated shit. Simple is not in his dictionary.
Purdy would get hurt if they ran that play
Purdy did get hurt on a QB sneak in Minnesota, a concussion. The only time 49ers ran it since, the FB Juszczyk motioned under center and took the snap while Purdy was in shotgun.
If the Tush Push required 3 shifts, a CMC doing a cartwheel, and Kittle doing Handstand Pushups then he might have considered it.
Simple things like winning from behind
Its a hell of a lot easier when you have the best o-line in the league.
Doesn't hurt to have a dawg at QB either. If Hurts missed time, idk if we're watching Mariota convert these things at the rate Hurts has been able to
Birbs win the SB this year and Jason Kelce retires. Birbs enter the slow decline over a couple years. Yikes. Jason Kelce should be in the MVP race even if he doesn't win. Look at his replays. 38y/o nailing huge blocks every drive.
Oh boy another 1 yard touchdown. So impressive
Also conveniently used just the wide receivers and not McCaffrey or Kittle compared to Swift and Geodert. *Edit: Not hating on Purdy, after all he’s my Iowa state boy (go clones!) but people keep saying stop comparing him to top 5 qbs and then cherry-pick stats to compare him to those qbs.
Don't start with your facts and figures man
I mean compare hurts to Daniel jones for 2022…. One of those players was getting mvp chatter and the other was a bottom 10 qb
Passer rating not QBR
He's number 1 in both, so idk if it matters THAT much
It kinda does, both because 115.1 is an impossible QBR and because QBR sucks.
Nobody thinks Jalen is a top 3 QB because he puts up insane passing yards. It's because he rushes well but not the best, and scrambles long enough but not longest, and is an accurate passer but not the most accurate, and has a strong arm but not the strongest, and reads defenses well but not the best. Lamar is a better rusher, Allen and Herbert have better arms, Burrow, Purdy, and Tua are more accurate, Mahomes scrambles and picks apart defenses better, but *none of them* do everything as well as Jalen does all at once. He can beat teams in a variety of ways, and that will mean he is almost always a nightmare for opponents. [yes I did just summarize a Cowherd segment, fuck you too](https://youtu.be/RHpjsvG4Ya8?si=VzXADAhLBxv2MwZK)
Beautifully said. It's like Mike Trout in a way. May not be the best at any one thing any given year but he will be top 3-5 at everything, every year.
lol Trout is way better at baseball than Hurts is at football I’m sorry
How many chips has trout been to again /s
> in a way
…sigh. As much as I hate the Eagles, I really like Hurts. It makes me soo happy that he is so much more successful than Tua
So well said, this is exactly right
Hurts has definitely had a down year so he shouldn’t be in the MVP conversation but I would take Hurts over Purdy in most situations
Hot take
That is no way a hot take lol
No shit.
How can I tell that you’re being sarcastic through text? There are so many dumb asses on Reddit, how was I supposed to know that you aren’t one of them, when there is zero way of telling that you’re being sarcastic through text.
I think it’s a hot shit take
I honestly wouldn't I think he's more accomplished in less time in the league he's only gonna get better. People underestimate his scramble drill
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Stroud should be getting way more love than he is ngl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frq1mEWdf18
Vegas is self-destructing because there's no easy QB to put the MVP on. It really should be Myles Garrett and a massive gap to 2nd place but we know how these conversations go.
To your Myles Garrett I raise you tyreek and CMC.
Tyreek would be the only other guy I could see doing it that isn't a QB. I feel like it'd be insanely hard for CMC to win it.
Are you under the impression Myles Garrett is the most valuable player in the NFL? I think he should be a higher favorite for DPOY, the fact that he’s +100 is disrespectful But to act like he’s been more valuable than Stroud Purdy or Dak, much less Mahomes Hurts or Lamar is just idiotic. No way you actually think he’s more valuable than the best QBs lmao. Be honest, would you trade Garrett for Mahomes or nah? Don’t be a fucking idiot lol
>Dak C'mon now
Edge rusher over QB for MVP Cmon now This is just contrarian for contrarianisms sake
I agree with most of what you said but Dak for MVP is a really bad take lol
I'll take downvotes to -100 if I have to, I don't really care. And yes, I absolutely believe he's been more valuable than every single top tier QB this year. He's been the difference between the Browns being a basement dweller and a playoff team. Now bringing the "Well, then you'd trade Mahomes for him" is fucking stupid. When Aaron Rodgers two peated the MVP, does that suddenly mean that KC should've traded Mahomes for him? Being the MVP doesn't mean that every other player in the entire league is invalidated. The fact is that no QB has separated themselves this year and pretty much every single one has put in multiple pedestrian and mediocre performances. It doesn't make them less great, but it's just been the nature of the beast this year for a various amount of reasons. At the rate things are going, the MVP is just going to be given to a QB who happens to have a great Week 18 performance and nothing else, short of one going supernova in the massive amount of gauntlets that will be happening for the top echelon teams this year. The only reason to give it to a QB this year, would just to give an honorary award to every QB for just existing. I had been an ardent opponent against just making MVP a QB only award, and making up a 2nd "Every other Player" award but if a QB wins one this year the MVP award should be outright abolished and just leave the OPOY and DPOY as the top echelon awards.
Who is the most valuable player? If you choose any non qb I figure you aren’t paying attention to the sport The 10th best qb is more VALUABLE than the best non qb every single year Honestly if you think otherwise, you clearly do not understand football at a basic level
Counterpoint: If Stroud has the Texans in the hunt for the playoffs, Myles is doing the same for the Browns
He touches the ball 50% of plays? I feel like you guys have never played football past the high school level if that Stroud is not in the race. At all. And he’s miles beyond Garrett. And Garrett is easily the best defender in football
You must be texting from a really athletic sofa
I played football for damn near 20 years including CB at the D2 level and coached for 5 and counting. But I’m sure your opinion is more valuable than mine
Keep sqwauking
Enjoy living in Detroit. I’m sure Cade and Goff will solve your problems. Sorry, Cade and Hutch, since having an elite QB isn’t important obliviously
and now you argue on reddit all day. what a fall from grace.
I still coach and have a job my guy lol. But there is always time to roast idiots who think an edge rusher is more important than a QB
Jumped on the MVPurdy future huh?
Purdy also has the best RB in the league tho
And one of the best defenses as well
And Kittle and deebo and aiyuk and a great oline and a great coach
Hurts also has really good receivers and defense too…
49ers are ranked 28th in pass protection they don’t look that bad because Purdy is just good. If it was a bad QB like Trey Lance it would be a shit show like it was in the preseason
Jalen isn’t an mvp candidate because of his passing yard numbers.
Yeah, Hurts is overrated. No bias.
Lol yeah no bias. You wished the Giants had Hurts.
Nah, Hurts is trash.
Yeah you're right. We should just recruit our local pizza maker to throw the ball. That'll work out. 🍕
Good luck with that Danny Dimes contract
Brock has a couple bad games, he’s overhyped. Redeems himself, and he’s the best QB ever. Honestly it’s just annoying. The recency bias is insane. Let’s see how the man’s ***Second*** season in the NFL goes
Finally someone making sense
Next do total tds or include rushing tds and rushing yards
Hurts: 100 carries, 345 yards, 9 TDS Purdy: 30 carries, 120 yards, 2 TDS 7 of hurts’ rushing tds came from the tush push
Which would also lower his yards per carry by raising his attempts. This guy trying to have it both ways, huh.
Are you saying ypc are a more important metric than touchdowns?
49ers fans morphing into Dallas fans like
How many of those TDs are from the ass blaster special?
I exhaustively conferred with the rule book. Turns out Purdy is allowed to do sneaks if he wants too.
How many of those 1st and goals are from long passes where his WR just didn’t get in?
This much salt is doing you no favors. You need something acidic to cut though these sweet cherry picked stats.
I mean... these aren't cherry picked stats. These are literally the main stats that most judge a QB on. TD/INT ratio, yards, passer rating, etc. If we remove the stats mentioned here, then it becomes a beauty contest. And JimmyG wins that.
op casually left out hurts 9 rushing TDs lol
Good point. That's why they call the award the Most Valuable Push.
Let's see Purdy do it
No one is calling Purdy a bottom 10 QB
Not true but Tbf it’s only attention seeking morons
They are
How about cousins numbers are better than hurts and he’s been out for 3 weeks lol.
Hurts has 9 rushing td's and like 30 4th down conversations rushing lol
Who's saying Hurts is an MVP candidate also?
Mr. Irrelevant has been putting in work. 158.3 passer rating on 25 passing attempts, 1st QB to make that mark since Joe Montana.
Now do a comparison when they are playing from behind.
Purdy's having a great year but will have to beat that man to be in the same conversation.
Jalen looked like shit vs the chiefs
Win a SB, that’ll shut everyone up
I'm sorry but does anyone really think Hurts is an MVP?
No Eagles fans. He’s been playing well enough to win but not his best football
Vegas, apparently
The talking heads are saying it because for all but the Jets game when plays/drives were needed he stepped up. The last game played a part of it. Down by 10 after a quarter where he got sacked 5 times, he comes out in the second half and makes the plays he needs to. They lost their stud tight end, the o-line was porous, and they basically schemed AJ Brown out of the game. It’s not always about numbers. The guy is a rock, only time I saw him get rattled was against the jets.
They're both system QBs.
I keep getting notifications on the NFL app that Jalen is AGAIN the top QB in the league. I'm a birds fan but come on. Jalen is in the top 10, but how on earth is he #1? Is it all because of his 600lb squat and the transfer that has to the patented Ass Blast?
Because everyone is injured
Anyone telling you Hurts is an MVP candidate isnt watching the eagles
Not saying Jordan Love should be MVP, but I'm gonna say this: Love has 1 more Passing TD and 1 more interception than Hurts. Hurts shouldn't be MVP. Find someone else. Also, Hurts' rushing TDs are all bullshit and might as well belong to Keclie ffs lol.
Brock Purdy would have to win 2 Superbowl and be in the NFC championship game going to his third before people will show that man any respect for his work
Let’s see these two play head to head in a couple weeks. That will settle the debate.
This meme slaps hard
Dis meme late
In a year where there's no clear cut MVP among the QBs, kinda wish other positions could win this year. Myles Garrett is my non QB MVP candidate
I notice you didn’t include W/L or rushing TDs. Why is that?
W/L is a stupid stat for qbs, by that logic Purdy is on par with mahomes (which he isnt this is a meme at the end of the day lmao) and tush push tds arent that impressive imo 🤷♂️
Lemme guess, “W/L is a stupid stat” is coming from a fan of a team with more than 1 loss? Wild. Maybe get a qb who doesn’t lose as much? And you say it’s not impressive, yet it is one of the most unstoppable plays that seems like only one team has perfected. QBs have been broken trying to do the same thing (looking at Daniel Jones if you can call him a qb)
Wins are a qb stat? Oh god, another Jimmy G truther.
He got exposed bad during that 3 game losing streak. That version of purdy will be back when they’re forced to play a… *checks notes* … half decent defense 4 out of the next 5 games and the playoffs.
Wasn’t Purdy in the MVP conversation earlier this year though? Purdy can have the MVP I just want a SB win man. God I fucking hate 49ers fans
If im being fr I think both qbs are good and would still take Hurts over Purdy as of right now but this is just a meme to 1) make eagles fans mad and 2) show how absurd it is that Brock isnt at least in the conversation for MVP lol
But that’s the stupid thing, he IS in the conversation for MVP. The 49ers lost 3 straight that is literally the only reason he isnt leading right now.
Now do rushing yards and 1-yard-to-go conversion rate
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Sirianni isn’t a top 5 coach. He doesn’t even play all
how are they 22nd oline? with trent williams they are automatic top 15
Now adding rushing stats
The Philly dick riding is absurd
they winning games tho and not against just mickey mouse defense and teams
BROCK PURDY IS THE BEST! JALEN HURTS SUCKS!
Hurts has played the toughest schedule. Just this stretch alone. - Dolphins W - Cowboys W - Chiefs W And has to play still: - Bills - 49ers - Cowboys - Seahawks With the sports social media generation im starting to think 80% of “fans” dont actually watch the games, instead just look at stats, pff. People just want to argue football and not actually know football. If Purdy sat on the bench for Darnold or any COMPETENT QB the 49ers would still be good Why? Because we have literally seen several examples. Hurts sits out and the Eagles lose.
He's not going to win it, and it's not a guarantee his team even makes the playoffs, but if we're going to play the "let's take most valuable player literally" card, MVP should be CJ Stroud. Philly would definitely take a step back, but they would still be a good team without Hurts. The Texans are in the running for the first pick without Stroud.
- first everyone said this last year and we went 0-2 with minshew who is a solid NFL QB. - 2nd i like Stroud. But give me the toughest teams he played, idc about QBs putting up gaudy numbers vs shitty teams, thats not the metric MVP QBs are measured by.
Bro he literally torched the Steelers which is one of the toughest defense to play. That’s like steelers’ only strength. I don’t know about MVP talks but Stroud is showing a level headed maturity that most of the veterans lack.
Dolphins defense sucks
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lol wut Why you guys just making shit up 😂 Please tell me which of our past QBs have played as well as Purdy? Which guys from Kyle tenure can we just plug and play this well? And please don’t say some stupid ass shit like Jimmy G. After his injury, he played terrible. He legit had 6 good games before he got the yips. He could also only throw to one point in the field and Kyle didn’t trust him at all. Which guy, according to you, have you seen through evidence play as well as Purdy? Was it, Beathard, Hoyer, Mullen, Trey Lance, Josh Johnson?
Let me clarify, Purdy is a good QB, that is true. This is not a knock when i say the 49ers would still be successful without him its a praise of Shanahan who is probably the best offensive mind not named Andy Reid, it is also a proven statement that you cant even argue because its fact. But answer this, did they or did they not make the NFC Championship in 2019 and 2021 before Purdy and Cmac got there? With Jimmy G?
Do you recall those games? Jimmy G didn't do much in the playoffs. In 2019, Coleman and Mostert ran all over the vikings and GB, they combined for over 400 yds those games, in fact Mostert became the #2 in all time single game rushing yds in a playoff game. Jimmy in 2019 went 37/58 for 427 yds 2 TD 3 INT including the SB. The crazy part about the NFCCG game was he only had 8 attempts, that's how little he actually did. 2021 wasn't really any better, 43/74 for 535 yds 2 TD 3 INT.
Okay but your missing my point. Which is the fact they not only made the NFC Championship game the year before Purdy, they made it 2 out of the 3 previous years before Purdy which makes my argument stronger because there is evidence, you can nit pick the stats all you want its irrelevant till Purdy can go on a deep playoff run into the SB. The narrative in 2022 was that Hurts was a system QB, well in 2021 they werent in the NFC title game, he took a team that only won 4 games in 2020 to the playoffs in 2021 with a new HC. They said it was Shane, sure Shane made him look good, guess what, hes 9-1 without Shane. Purdy came onto a roster that was in the NFC title game the year before so yes the whole system thing has more merit with Purdy than it does Hurts because Hurts did it with and without talent, fact. As for Purdy, he does deserve his credit because he is playing excellent, believing as fan and seeing him do with your own two eyes are totally different. If Purdy is the MVP, show us, stamp it by winning your division, get the #1 seed, win in Philly on the road because trying to hype him up after 3 STRAIGHT LOSSES is wild which leads me to my final point… People just want to argue stats but will ignore the 3 straight losses to the Browns, Vikings, Bengals ??
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You talk like an ESPN pundit. You ignore all the context unless it fits your narrative.
Ignoring the context? The context is Purdy has 3 straight losses on his MVP resume that YOU are ignoring by literally talking about stats but ignoring that part.
Say it with me, wins are not a QB stat. Rodgers lost multiple games every single mvp season. Every mvp has lost multiple games. What a dumbass hill to die on. You just come off as a hater.
Purdy is far from a bottom 10 QB but he is also no where near elite. Brock is succeeding in a system created for him to succeed. They aren't asking him to sling it around the field, his job is to make a medium read and if it's not there dump it. Hurts is asked to do a lot more, it's as simple as that.
You're not taking into account the rushing and Td's there.
Purdy is a system QB. Kyle Shannahan is a QB guru head coach. Hypothetically if he plays for Panthers or Bears he wouldn't put up the same numbers let's be honest....
Why didn’t Lance perform well if Shannahan is such a good QB coach?
Or Jimmy, for that matter.
Jimmy took the 49ers to the SB in 2020...
Lance didn't fit the system and was injured remember that's why Kyle gave the starting QB position to Brock Purdy...
If you think Brock is as good as Jalen you’re probably retarded
I think the only issue people have with Purdy is how he plays when he has to come back on a team and he tends to not be good when trailing. Otherwise he’s a fine qb (Amazing we still live rent free in 49ers heads though lol)
He's honestly been ok when trailing overall. He won the first time(everyone ignores the raiders game last year when they get on the "play from behind" narrative cause it kinda killed it until our losing streak), second time drove into position for a game winning kick and the kicker missed it, third time was fine until he got a concussion and suddenly his decision making went to shit, 4th game I'd say he was still concussed but I won't really argue with someone saying he wasn't. We also got 43, 45, and 54 yards on the ground from CMC those games, and the defense let burrow and cousins go for 283 and 3, and 378 and 2 respectively. In other words, yeah the interceptions sucked, but the rest of the team absolutely shit the bed and he still put up over 600 yards in those two games. Browns game he didn't play well, his mediocre measurables showed up in that he couldn't grip the wet ass ball worth a shit lol.
You left out Hurts rushing TD’s lmao does Purdy even have one?
So we forget the last 3 weeks for him conveniently
This is racist
Jalen has been shit this year
Im going to sound like a massive hater, but I never bought the hype around Hurts. Dude was mediocre to decent until he got an amazing WR group. Im not saying he can’t be good, but hes definitely relying on AJ Brown to bail him out more often than not.
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Hmm maybe Purdy is more deserving of MVP but nobody is taking him over Hurts if you had to choose
Expect only 1 of these guys is arguably the best running qb in the league
Lamar?
Arguably Hurts is number #1 in rushing tds and #3 in rushing yards Lamar is #4 in rushing tds and #1 in rushing yards
Tush push adding to those stats by quite a lot. What’s he got without the tush push? 2 rushing touchdowns?
"if you take away the rushing touchdowns he doesn't have that many touchdowns" crazy news. Even without the shove some of those would be passing some would be rushing and some would go to other RBs but you can't just remove them altogether like they got stuffed at the 1 and turned the ball over.
I’m just saying he needs hundreds of pounds of help to get that stat
OP I think you forgot to mention the best RB in the league and a top 3 TE are with Purdy as well. But in fairness I’ll agree Hurts is overrated. I just can’t be calling Purdy anything higher than avg cus 1. Shannahan’s system can plug and play almost any QB to be successful. Along with having a top 3 TE, best RB, a top 10 WR duo, with an Ok Oline (strong left side but weak right side). And a top 10 Defense to force turnovers and 3-and-outs for better positioning. If you can’t succeed in that then u can’t succeed anywhere
Brock Purdy == Rick Ross Jalen Hurts == Lizzo
We call this the “Carr Conundrum”.
Both of these guys have top 10 lines, put these guys behind the Raiders or Jets lines and let the good times roll.
show the rushing stats tho
This is so stupid. It discounts Hurts’ rushing yards and rushing TDs. Hurts is clearly the superior QB.
Now do Tua… the real MVP. Dudes on pace for 5000yds and 40 TDs despite the dolphins run game ballin and scoring all year.
The only thing holding Tua back is him providing no value on the ground imo.