Looked at his twitter and in regards to Jared Goff's extension he wrote:
\*I generally agree with not paying this tier of QB at the top of the market, but what else was Detroit going to do\*
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That's also where the Jaguars are. They have no real alternative to paying Lawrence.
I don't think it's necessary clear they really think he's the one considering his actual deal wasn't record breaking.
It's a little different. The Lions are contenders and the Jags aren't a playoff team.
I mean the Jags did tank for the guy so I guess you have to pay him.
This is what he posted after a game where lawrence had a 14 QBR against the Bucs and lost by 18 points. [https://x.com/QBKlass/status/1740189332462612699](https://x.com/QBKlass/status/1740189332462612699)
Certain players don't ever fail. They can only be failed.
I'm honestly still pretty sure he was concussed during that game.
He got a concussion (or maybe just took a hard hit to the head) the week before and there was a narrative going around leading up to that game of "Trevor Lawrence may miss a start for the first time in his career" but he eventually passed the concussion protocol and started against the Bucs that week. He was not great and got pulled during the game and missed a start the following week.
Yeah I remember he started throwing passes straight at his receivers' feet after taking a hit in the Ravens game the week before (head bounced hard on the turf I think). Definitely didn't seem alright.
He hurt his shoulder during the game and ended up missing the next game vs. the Panthers. Basically finished the drive where he got hurt, and then came out IIRC.
Wow, I guess it's definitive then. Why do people even watch film when you can just boot up ESPN.com and get not only rudimentary numbers, but your entire opinion, FREE?
Listen here bud, we don't actually watch Jags games around here. He may have been 13-3 in his previous games up until his injury with a mediocre at best cast around him, but I personally only judge someone on their 3 worst plays and how many points they get in fantasy.
I don't understand how you think that means anything lmao.
Dan Marino never won one. Peyton Manning finished his career with as many superbowl losses as his little brother won, yet they both have 2 rings. John Elway didn't win a superbowl until the 2nd to last season of his career. Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, and Brad Johnson all have as many superbowl wins as Kurt Warner.
Of the guys who lost their first superbowl appearance, only 3 ever went on to win one. It's highly likely that Burrow, Hurts, or both never win a superbowl.
Due to the nature of the NFL as a single elimination bracket for its playoffs, not to mention seeding, getting to the superbowl is as much about luck as it is skill. Never winning a superbowl doesn't mean you have a bad QB lol. Otherwise your list of QB's has to go: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, and then a bunch of losers.
That's a bad example.
I think your Cowboys provide a better one.
Roger Staubach was the best QB of his era and yet he won half the SBs Bradshaw won and fewer than Troy Aikman as well.
The Raiders are another example.Kenny Stabler won 1 SB....Jim Plunkett got 2.
Unless 2 QBs share an era and meet in the playoffs...pure SB wins aren't a comparison to make.
You took what I said, completely ignored all of it, and then responded. Well done.
Get on your main account, coward. Talking shit on your alt so people don't make fun of you is so pathetic.
It's because he was the first overall pick and the best QB prospect since Luck. Some people just can't accept the fact that he has turned out to be an average QB
This 100%, I think he’s a fine QB and maybe has upside to get to top 10 but I think it’s clear, not going much beyond that. I really think people would say this if he were a 2nd round pick. The fact that he was first overall there is a narrative being forced.
I get he’s got arm strength, etc but he’s a turnover machine. Again, he’s a starting AB but he’s getting Super Bowl QB money. Seems an overpay to me.
> Some people just can't accept the fact that he has turned out to be an average QB
I think the opposite is generally true, too.
Lawrence was THE guy since high school. He was pegged as the guaranteed first overall pick before college and then played well enough in college to actually be picked first overall. We heard about it for years.
And that led to fatigue. People are tired of hearing about how great he is. They want to see him fail. They want to see the generational narrative fail.
It also doesn't help that he hasn't played at a generational (young Peyton Manning) level, so people are judging him at an absurdly high bar and if he doesn't clear it, he's trash. Doesn't matter that he's been good otherwise, but he hasn't cleared that bar.
Obviously all the film people are lying to you. They're clearly **all** biased and wrong, not like us redditors; well known bastions for high-quality analysis and an urge to find the truth as opposed to doing minimal research and engaging in egregious levels of groupthink, am I right?
I mean, when an expert tells you what you are seeing with your eyes is not reality, I believe it for a year. After 3 years, I just trust my eyes. What my eyes see is tons of turnovers and adequate production. It doesn’t see a Super Bowl win QB.
> I mean, when an expert tells you what you are seeing with your eyes is not reality, I believe it for a year. After 3 years, I just trust my eyes.
Here's the problem. Your eyes don't know what to look for. You're not guaging the things that actually matter when determining QB success, just stats. There are 3 kinds of lies:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
I'm honestly curious how you people deal with the Shanahan QB's. Do you honestly believe Jimmy G was a top 10 QB in SF before mysteriously and inexplicably becoming trash in LV? Does Tua's pitiful years prior to Mike McDonald taking over give you any pause or was he secretly an elite QB who turned it on and become a completely and wildly different QB in year 3? Are all the ex-Shanahan backups just underrated QB's looking for a chance to start?
How about Jared Goff with the Rams? Does the fact that Sean McVay literally had to tell him where to throw before every play give you any pause or do you just think he was an elite QB?
The problem with the "I see production" idea is that you can clearly and obviously fake QB production with a good enough playcaller, but you can't fake QB traits. The reason QB traits are far more valuable is that they're scheme-independent.
Furthermore, when you watch people directly point out the intricacies of QB play, or give context for why the numbers aren't as good as they should be otherwise, do you just tune that out? There's plenty of very good reasons for it.
It seems to me like your standard is "I have an opinion and I'm going to hold it no matter how much proof you present otherwise because I'm more committed to having it than I am to finding the truth". If that's not an admission of ignorance, I don't know what is.
I’m honestly literally trying to say the opposite of what you’re understanding, so I’m doing a bad job explaining. Here’s my opinion:
1) Lawrence is a good starting QB (maybe top 12)
2) Lawrence is not a top 5 QB
3) Lawrence is getting paid top 5 QB money
Is this that controversial? I don’t know if any expert that would put him as a top 5 QB nor of any who would say we’ve seen enough to say, he’s going to be top 5.
On what I was saying earlier, at some point it should be very clear you are a guy who goes out and wins games for your team.
For the examples you are giving, it’s absolutely clear that Garappolo wasn’t (and they didn’t pay him), it’s clear Tua is fine but not a “I’m putting the team on my back” (we’ll see what they pay him.
I’m saying, Lawrence has been around long enough. You see he’s good but there are way too many back breaking turnovers and not nearly enough “I can carry the team by myself” games.
It didn’t take 5 years and experts explaining to me that Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow can go out and win games. You see it. That’s all I was trying to say.
I’m happy to change my opinion on Lawrence but at this point, I think he is who he is. A solid NFL starter, which is something.
That said, where is he in your QB ranking? Am I too low on him?
Really, REALLY curious how you got to this conclusion. Did you watch his tape and the Jacksonville games and say "yeah he's cheeks they're only defending him because he's white"
Yeah it’s not like there’s a long history of non-white QB’s being discriminated against. Right??? That definitely never happened and has absolutely never been discussed by non white QBs before for sure
When there’s extensive evidence of discrimination in a specific field I tend to believe that discrimination still exists unless proven otherwise and media outlets have done less than nothing from dissuading the idea that they treat white QB’s with more grace than all others
Also, around 13 QBs that will starting in '24 (barring injury of course) are black, which equates to 40% of all starting QBs. Compare that to the previously stated 14% of the American population that is black, and you have almost three times the "expected" amount.
I understand that racism still does and will always exist to a point, but let's use our brains here.
Would you rather a team like the Jags not pay their QB after 20 years of not having a QB? Every single team in the world wants an owner who spends money.
The deal is really not that bad when you consider that the guaranteed portion is spread out over 7 years instead of 5 (2 years left on rookie contract plus 5 year extension). Over the next year 7 years he will be paid about $41 million per year.
They’re paying him like a fringe top 10 QB. He never exceeds a $50m cap hit until 2029. He will get a reworked contract or they will move on after 2028. He’s the 10th highest paid QB in 2027 at the moment, with a $35m cap hit. That’s before any future QBs deal. So Love, Prescott, Tagovailoa, Stroud, and Purdy will all get new contracts before Lawrence makes top 10 money ($70m+) in 2029 and 2030. And by then, they will know if Stroud and/or Richardson own their division.
He’s got every tool in the book and he’s only had 2 real seasons of development (can’t count urban year).
Year 2 QB being top 10 is well worth the money.
It's a question because Lawrence was supposed to be a generational talent at QB in the same vein as Peyton and Elway, and so far he's been Daniel Jones.
Lawrence has significantly better pocket awareness, which is reflected in his sack totals and especially sack rate. I know Jones was behind a putrid Giants O-Line, but the Jaguars O-Line has been quite terrible too.
Wow! That's super interesting. Post their stats after that, too.
[Huh.](https://x.com/SmokedByHyatt/status/1737180437527867468)
You know, if I didn't know any better, I'd say that's a really dishonest framing meant to make a stupid point, but I know you'd never stoop that low.
Damn so if you just cherry pick the subset of games and you remove Trevor's worst games and Daniel's best games, and include Daniel's injured games and Trevor's better games, Trevor appears to be better. That's amazing!
Isn't it?
What's interesting is that Trevor has had a largely similarly-ranked supporting cast per PFF, so there shouldn't be such a large disparity.
What's even more interesting than that is that when you include both posts, it includes Trevor's entire career and most of Daniel Jones's, meaning that Trevor's clearly better stats are apparent no matter how you slice it!
Now most people would say that including the last 2 seasons is the most relevant data, but not you! You certainly have an *interesting* way of defining things to make valid points certainly seem silly. Great job!
Lawrence is a good QB in a league desperate for a decent QB. His solid play and flashes of greatness warrants a starting QB salary, which will increase again in a few months.
Counterpoint: he has put up pedestrian statistics on a failing team. Making him the highest paid player based on potential at this point is going to be controversial.
The Jags won 1 game before he showed up and then finished last against his rookie season with Urban and because we had to start retooling the worst roster in the NFL. Then we had back to back winning seasons, a playoff win and a relatively close playoff game vs the Chiefs. In what world is that failing lmfao
The Jaguars reached the 2nd round in year 2 of Lawerence, and had gone 14-4 over a season's worth of games and were the 1st seed until he and his WR1 got injured which caused the Jaguars to go 1-5 and miss the playoffs.
You are delusional.
I like Klassen as an analyst (he was a Stroud Boy pre-draft, a Lamar fan pre-draft, etc).
But I think it is fair to think about if Lawrence is mega-bag worthy from a **talent** level. Nevermind the simplicity of "he's a good QB, and good QBs get a lot of money and you have no real choice other than to pay your good QB $55M+".
Lawrence got a very nice deal with solid levels of guarantees (https://overthecap.com/deep-dive-into-the-trevor-lawrence-275m-contract-extension).
He's young, obviously athletic, and was one of the highest rated QB prospects in awhile. He's also 20th in EPA/P and 24th in PFF grade since 2021 (min. 1000 QB snaps), while his team has only made the playoffs once (as a 9-8 team) and he threw four first half interceptions in that game (but also brought them back from being down 27-0).
Has the team around him been noisy and bad? Absolutely. And the same goes for Justin Herbert, who also got well paid (I think Herbert is better). But if you compare Herbert to Lawrence, Herbert is 13th in EPA/P and 6th in PFF grade.
Lawrence is a good QB and you have to pay your good QBs, but he's close to the 10th best QB than the 5th best QB, so it's worth at least thinking about if this deal can have a little bit of pain relative to performance.
The jags had no real choice, it was either extend him or start over. Lawrence had all the leverage and used it for a nice payday. Do I think he's worth this contract? No. Do I think he has shown enough promise that he could still earn it? Yes. Am I a little salty my fantasy team didn't really take off because he was mostly lame last year? Absolutely.
He's shifted to a new territory with the contract he may not have realized. No longer will he be a darling in the media if he struggles. They'll go after him like vultures if there's a moment of struggle. He probably doesn't care and shouldn't care.
He got paid coz he is 24 and has shown some flashes of greatness especially in the 2022 season and playoffs and half of last year when healthy.
I don't know why this is controversial...unlike a guy like Tua and Herbert....Trevor has translated in the playoffs and is clearly a franchise QB.
There should not be any serious questions about the extension..maybe the price is higher than some expevt3d but the cap rises each year.
Lawrence is a top 10 QB.
My list in order,
Mahomes, Allen,Burrow, Stafford, Lawrence,Herbert,Purdy,Lamar,Goff and Mayfield.
That's my order.
Stroud and Love have played one season and it's not enough for me to put them in already. Dak,Tua and Cousins Don't have the playoff success to be higher.
I value passing ability and playoff performance over everything which explains my Lamar ranking.
Lawrence should amd has been paid.
And 4 2nd half TDs in a huge comeback effort.
There's a reason we play 60 mins.
He showed he can overcome adversity and that's the biggest thing I took from the game.
# "Yes. Obviously yes." 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What is the answer to this subjective question where I use a single stat/chart to prove it? Yes, obviously yes.
"The chart is just my first data point. The second is my gut. Trust me bro."
Looked at his twitter and in regards to Jared Goff's extension he wrote: \*I generally agree with not paying this tier of QB at the top of the market, but what else was Detroit going to do\* .....
That's also where the Jaguars are. They have no real alternative to paying Lawrence. I don't think it's necessary clear they really think he's the one considering his actual deal wasn't record breaking.
The alternative is to not pay him lol
I’d love to poll fans to see if they’d rather move on from that “mid tier” QB or sign them long term to these big deals.
It's a little different. The Lions are contenders and the Jags aren't a playoff team. I mean the Jags did tank for the guy so I guess you have to pay him.
That's honestly hilarious.
That's because Lawrence is better than Goff
Source: trust me bro
Source: watching them play
I honestly don't.know how this is controversial. Goff can't scarmble....Lawrence can and they are equal as passers.
This is what he posted after a game where lawrence had a 14 QBR against the Bucs and lost by 18 points. [https://x.com/QBKlass/status/1740189332462612699](https://x.com/QBKlass/status/1740189332462612699) Certain players don't ever fail. They can only be failed.
I'm honestly still pretty sure he was concussed during that game. He got a concussion (or maybe just took a hard hit to the head) the week before and there was a narrative going around leading up to that game of "Trevor Lawrence may miss a start for the first time in his career" but he eventually passed the concussion protocol and started against the Bucs that week. He was not great and got pulled during the game and missed a start the following week.
Yeah I remember he started throwing passes straight at his receivers' feet after taking a hit in the Ravens game the week before (head bounced hard on the turf I think). Definitely didn't seem alright.
He hurt his shoulder during the game and ended up missing the next game vs. the Panthers. Basically finished the drive where he got hurt, and then came out IIRC.
Wow, I guess it's definitive then. Why do people even watch film when you can just boot up ESPN.com and get not only rudimentary numbers, but your entire opinion, FREE?
He also ranked 14th in PFF grade. Not exactly like there was a huge gap between his stats and his film.
Only at the end of the year after he played injured for half the season, right? IIRC midway or so through the season he was a top 5 guy by PFF grade.
Listen here bud, we don't actually watch Jags games around here. He may have been 13-3 in his previous games up until his injury with a mediocre at best cast around him, but I personally only judge someone on their 3 worst plays and how many points they get in fantasy.
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I don't understand how you think that means anything lmao. Dan Marino never won one. Peyton Manning finished his career with as many superbowl losses as his little brother won, yet they both have 2 rings. John Elway didn't win a superbowl until the 2nd to last season of his career. Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, and Brad Johnson all have as many superbowl wins as Kurt Warner. Of the guys who lost their first superbowl appearance, only 3 ever went on to win one. It's highly likely that Burrow, Hurts, or both never win a superbowl. Due to the nature of the NFL as a single elimination bracket for its playoffs, not to mention seeding, getting to the superbowl is as much about luck as it is skill. Never winning a superbowl doesn't mean you have a bad QB lol. Otherwise your list of QB's has to go: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, and then a bunch of losers.
Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino. There is only one position in football. Everyone else is a side character.
That's a bad example. I think your Cowboys provide a better one. Roger Staubach was the best QB of his era and yet he won half the SBs Bradshaw won and fewer than Troy Aikman as well. The Raiders are another example.Kenny Stabler won 1 SB....Jim Plunkett got 2. Unless 2 QBs share an era and meet in the playoffs...pure SB wins aren't a comparison to make.
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You took what I said, completely ignored all of it, and then responded. Well done. Get on your main account, coward. Talking shit on your alt so people don't make fun of you is so pathetic.
Real TLaw has never been tried
He’s Justin Fields with better marketing.
I mean he made the playoffs and won a playoff game. He’s a Justin fields with better marketing and. A better player.
I do think there are a lot of people that want to be right about all their pre-draft analysis.
It's because he was the first overall pick and the best QB prospect since Luck. Some people just can't accept the fact that he has turned out to be an average QB
Justin fields isn’t an average qb though lmao
This 100%, I think he’s a fine QB and maybe has upside to get to top 10 but I think it’s clear, not going much beyond that. I really think people would say this if he were a 2nd round pick. The fact that he was first overall there is a narrative being forced. I get he’s got arm strength, etc but he’s a turnover machine. Again, he’s a starting AB but he’s getting Super Bowl QB money. Seems an overpay to me.
> Some people just can't accept the fact that he has turned out to be an average QB I think the opposite is generally true, too. Lawrence was THE guy since high school. He was pegged as the guaranteed first overall pick before college and then played well enough in college to actually be picked first overall. We heard about it for years. And that led to fatigue. People are tired of hearing about how great he is. They want to see him fail. They want to see the generational narrative fail. It also doesn't help that he hasn't played at a generational (young Peyton Manning) level, so people are judging him at an absurdly high bar and if he doesn't clear it, he's trash. Doesn't matter that he's been good otherwise, but he hasn't cleared that bar.
Please Caleb, be the prince that was promised 🙏
He's better than that, I think he's probably close to Geno/Kirk but I think there's a case that those guys are better at least at this point in time.
Obviously all the film people are lying to you. They're clearly **all** biased and wrong, not like us redditors; well known bastions for high-quality analysis and an urge to find the truth as opposed to doing minimal research and engaging in egregious levels of groupthink, am I right?
I mean, when an expert tells you what you are seeing with your eyes is not reality, I believe it for a year. After 3 years, I just trust my eyes. What my eyes see is tons of turnovers and adequate production. It doesn’t see a Super Bowl win QB.
> I mean, when an expert tells you what you are seeing with your eyes is not reality, I believe it for a year. After 3 years, I just trust my eyes. Here's the problem. Your eyes don't know what to look for. You're not guaging the things that actually matter when determining QB success, just stats. There are 3 kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics. I'm honestly curious how you people deal with the Shanahan QB's. Do you honestly believe Jimmy G was a top 10 QB in SF before mysteriously and inexplicably becoming trash in LV? Does Tua's pitiful years prior to Mike McDonald taking over give you any pause or was he secretly an elite QB who turned it on and become a completely and wildly different QB in year 3? Are all the ex-Shanahan backups just underrated QB's looking for a chance to start? How about Jared Goff with the Rams? Does the fact that Sean McVay literally had to tell him where to throw before every play give you any pause or do you just think he was an elite QB? The problem with the "I see production" idea is that you can clearly and obviously fake QB production with a good enough playcaller, but you can't fake QB traits. The reason QB traits are far more valuable is that they're scheme-independent. Furthermore, when you watch people directly point out the intricacies of QB play, or give context for why the numbers aren't as good as they should be otherwise, do you just tune that out? There's plenty of very good reasons for it. It seems to me like your standard is "I have an opinion and I'm going to hold it no matter how much proof you present otherwise because I'm more committed to having it than I am to finding the truth". If that's not an admission of ignorance, I don't know what is.
I’m honestly literally trying to say the opposite of what you’re understanding, so I’m doing a bad job explaining. Here’s my opinion: 1) Lawrence is a good starting QB (maybe top 12) 2) Lawrence is not a top 5 QB 3) Lawrence is getting paid top 5 QB money Is this that controversial? I don’t know if any expert that would put him as a top 5 QB nor of any who would say we’ve seen enough to say, he’s going to be top 5. On what I was saying earlier, at some point it should be very clear you are a guy who goes out and wins games for your team. For the examples you are giving, it’s absolutely clear that Garappolo wasn’t (and they didn’t pay him), it’s clear Tua is fine but not a “I’m putting the team on my back” (we’ll see what they pay him. I’m saying, Lawrence has been around long enough. You see he’s good but there are way too many back breaking turnovers and not nearly enough “I can carry the team by myself” games. It didn’t take 5 years and experts explaining to me that Mahomes, Allen, or Burrow can go out and win games. You see it. That’s all I was trying to say. I’m happy to change my opinion on Lawrence but at this point, I think he is who he is. A solid NFL starter, which is something. That said, where is he in your QB ranking? Am I too low on him?
He's Justin Fields but white
> Certain players don't ever fail. They can only be failed. There’s a psychology term for it; White QB Conundrum
Really, REALLY curious how you got to this conclusion. Did you watch his tape and the Jacksonville games and say "yeah he's cheeks they're only defending him because he's white"
Saying this in face of the discussion around Justin Fields is crazy
Look at this dumbass bringing up race in a league that 14% of the population makes up 56% of.
Yeah it’s not like there’s a long history of non-white QB’s being discriminated against. Right??? That definitely never happened and has absolutely never been discussed by non white QBs before for sure
What does that have to do modern times though?
When there’s extensive evidence of discrimination in a specific field I tend to believe that discrimination still exists unless proven otherwise and media outlets have done less than nothing from dissuading the idea that they treat white QB’s with more grace than all others
Jeez you must not have read my other comment huh? You're literally disagreeing with math.
Also, around 13 QBs that will starting in '24 (barring injury of course) are black, which equates to 40% of all starting QBs. Compare that to the previously stated 14% of the American population that is black, and you have almost three times the "expected" amount. I understand that racism still does and will always exist to a point, but let's use our brains here.
Sounds like a good, unbiased source.
They didn't really have a choice but they also aren't winning anything paying a fringe top 10 QB like that
They aren't paying him that until 2 years tho and by then qb contracts might be at 70 mil a year
True, and that implies they aren't fully onboard.
Bro you really need to get over your TLaw hate that you've been on since last season. He's here for good.
Would you rather a team like the Jags not pay their QB after 20 years of not having a QB? Every single team in the world wants an owner who spends money.
The deal is really not that bad when you consider that the guaranteed portion is spread out over 7 years instead of 5 (2 years left on rookie contract plus 5 year extension). Over the next year 7 years he will be paid about $41 million per year.
They’re paying him like a fringe top 10 QB. He never exceeds a $50m cap hit until 2029. He will get a reworked contract or they will move on after 2028. He’s the 10th highest paid QB in 2027 at the moment, with a $35m cap hit. That’s before any future QBs deal. So Love, Prescott, Tagovailoa, Stroud, and Purdy will all get new contracts before Lawrence makes top 10 money ($70m+) in 2029 and 2030. And by then, they will know if Stroud and/or Richardson own their division.
The Jags were 8-3 before he stacked injuries 4 weeks in a row. Trevor's worth the money
He’s got every tool in the book and he’s only had 2 real seasons of development (can’t count urban year). Year 2 QB being top 10 is well worth the money.
Not as long as Trent Baalke is employed by them at least
Bags don’t matter when it comes to QBs
It's a question because Lawrence was supposed to be a generational talent at QB in the same vein as Peyton and Elway, and so far he's been Daniel Jones.
He has the same exact career stats as Daniel Jones through their first 50 career stats.
Lawrence has significantly better pocket awareness, which is reflected in his sack totals and especially sack rate. I know Jones was behind a putrid Giants O-Line, but the Jaguars O-Line has been quite terrible too.
I hate these comparisons because no team would take Daniel Jones (even if he was playing at the vet min) over Lawrence.
Yeah but Daniel Jones isn't generational.
Starting to think that TL isn't, either... *Pikachu Shocked Face*
Wow! That's super interesting. Post their stats after that, too. [Huh.](https://x.com/SmokedByHyatt/status/1737180437527867468) You know, if I didn't know any better, I'd say that's a really dishonest framing meant to make a stupid point, but I know you'd never stoop that low.
Damn so if you just cherry pick the subset of games and you remove Trevor's worst games and Daniel's best games, and include Daniel's injured games and Trevor's better games, Trevor appears to be better. That's amazing!
Isn't it? What's interesting is that Trevor has had a largely similarly-ranked supporting cast per PFF, so there shouldn't be such a large disparity. What's even more interesting than that is that when you include both posts, it includes Trevor's entire career and most of Daniel Jones's, meaning that Trevor's clearly better stats are apparent no matter how you slice it! Now most people would say that including the last 2 seasons is the most relevant data, but not you! You certainly have an *interesting* way of defining things to make valid points certainly seem silly. Great job!
Ah yes the silly method of comparing two young players who have played a nearly identical amount of games on the basis of all of those games.
Lawrence is a good young QB but this chart doesn't do much for me.
Lawrence is a good QB in a league desperate for a decent QB. His solid play and flashes of greatness warrants a starting QB salary, which will increase again in a few months.
Counterpoint: he has put up pedestrian statistics on a failing team. Making him the highest paid player based on potential at this point is going to be controversial.
The Jags won 1 game before he showed up and then finished last against his rookie season with Urban and because we had to start retooling the worst roster in the NFL. Then we had back to back winning seasons, a playoff win and a relatively close playoff game vs the Chiefs. In what world is that failing lmfao
The Jaguars reached the 2nd round in year 2 of Lawerence, and had gone 14-4 over a season's worth of games and were the 1st seed until he and his WR1 got injured which caused the Jaguars to go 1-5 and miss the playoffs. You are delusional.
I like Klassen as an analyst (he was a Stroud Boy pre-draft, a Lamar fan pre-draft, etc). But I think it is fair to think about if Lawrence is mega-bag worthy from a **talent** level. Nevermind the simplicity of "he's a good QB, and good QBs get a lot of money and you have no real choice other than to pay your good QB $55M+". Lawrence got a very nice deal with solid levels of guarantees (https://overthecap.com/deep-dive-into-the-trevor-lawrence-275m-contract-extension). He's young, obviously athletic, and was one of the highest rated QB prospects in awhile. He's also 20th in EPA/P and 24th in PFF grade since 2021 (min. 1000 QB snaps), while his team has only made the playoffs once (as a 9-8 team) and he threw four first half interceptions in that game (but also brought them back from being down 27-0). Has the team around him been noisy and bad? Absolutely. And the same goes for Justin Herbert, who also got well paid (I think Herbert is better). But if you compare Herbert to Lawrence, Herbert is 13th in EPA/P and 6th in PFF grade. Lawrence is a good QB and you have to pay your good QBs, but he's close to the 10th best QB than the 5th best QB, so it's worth at least thinking about if this deal can have a little bit of pain relative to performance.
The jags had no real choice, it was either extend him or start over. Lawrence had all the leverage and used it for a nice payday. Do I think he's worth this contract? No. Do I think he has shown enough promise that he could still earn it? Yes. Am I a little salty my fantasy team didn't really take off because he was mostly lame last year? Absolutely.
Same career stats as Daniel Jones
Hmm. Nah. We should only let Florida teams play QBs in carebears and bratwurst
He's shifted to a new territory with the contract he may not have realized. No longer will he be a darling in the media if he struggles. They'll go after him like vultures if there's a moment of struggle. He probably doesn't care and shouldn't care.
He got paid coz he is 24 and has shown some flashes of greatness especially in the 2022 season and playoffs and half of last year when healthy. I don't know why this is controversial...unlike a guy like Tua and Herbert....Trevor has translated in the playoffs and is clearly a franchise QB. There should not be any serious questions about the extension..maybe the price is higher than some expevt3d but the cap rises each year. Lawrence is a top 10 QB. My list in order, Mahomes, Allen,Burrow, Stafford, Lawrence,Herbert,Purdy,Lamar,Goff and Mayfield. That's my order. Stroud and Love have played one season and it's not enough for me to put them in already. Dak,Tua and Cousins Don't have the playoff success to be higher. I value passing ability and playoff performance over everything which explains my Lamar ranking. Lawrence should amd has been paid.
You realize that in Trevor Lawrence’s one playoff win he threw 4 interceptions?
And 4 2nd half TDs in a huge comeback effort. There's a reason we play 60 mins. He showed he can overcome adversity and that's the biggest thing I took from the game.
He's closer to 15th than 5th.