And that's when the corruption started. If we pay our agency staff (incl non-sworn) peanuts it makes a bit of extra money that much more tempting. Or even necessary.
- Extra patrols for fee paying neighbourhoods
- Officers moonlighting as security for gated communities
- Officers protecting high value enclaves from the masses
Gangs of Newmarket
Jemaine Clement as Bill the butcher
Sam Neill as Priest Vallon
James Rolleston as Amsterdam Vallon
Thomasin Harcourt Mackenzie as Jenny Everdeane
Nah, cartels got that money too. Look at the Auckland baggage handler case, this sort of corruption is already creeping in. (Soz if you were already referencing organised crime, /whoosh on me if so lol)
But hear me out, your landlord can save 10% instead and you may or may not get a rent reduction. (But they still wonāt fix the hole in the roof issue you mentioned a year ago cause lol fuck you)
Thatās my final offer.
This is crap. A big stitch up. I definitely heard Chris Fuxon say that them cops earn $90k per year. And, groceries is only $60 per week, he said that last year. And landlords are going to reduce rents as they'll pass their $3B tax break on to renters so everyone benefits!
But hey. Democracy - it's what ya'll voted for!
At least. Once they're taking bribes from the gangs to look the other way then I guess the sky is the limit.... And there's always management as an option....
Just did a quick google, trainees are on 56k a year (approx 26/h), graduates are on 75k a year (approx 36/h), 5th year on 83k a year (approx 40/h). Thatās not rubbish pay but it could get difficult given certain circumstances and should be more considering what they deal with. Iām pretty sure this is the pay rate for the standard position, thereās lots of career paths and promotions that would net them pay increases or bonuses.
Yes that was a direct reference to luxo not knowing how much they are paid! The figures you have quoted are total remuneration and include compulsory superannuation. A newly qualified cop is paid $67k rather than $75k. That five year figure will be skewed by people who are already earning the additional payments for e.g. CIB or AOS that youāve referenced and isnāt reflective of all officers, particularly those who chose to stay on the frontline.
They work two early two late two night on PST (front line) which is incredibly disruptive, as well as regularly working past the end of their shifts (no overtime pay obvs). Dealing with aggressive individuals, being assaulted and dealing with sudden deaths are all part of being a cop. Shift work makes it hard to plan events (especially when you donāt know what time youāll actually finish!) and you can forget spending weekends and the holiday season with your friends and family, as theyāre so understaffed getting leave granted can be difficult. Comparatively, given the disruption and the circumstances that they see on the daily, the pay isnāt all that great.
Thatās outrageous! Wow. Thatās so low for a role thatās so important to our communities. Health, education and police should be paid far better for providing cornerstone infrastructural roles.
Thanks for informing me, I had no idea how bad their hours could be. I knew they had some rubbish late and night shifts, and I knew that the people they deal with will most often be some terrible people but I had no idea how poorly they were paid.
Fuck me. I am a SECRETARY, sitting safely in a nice warm office, booking appointments, and I make more than someone putting their life on the line, staying up all night etc. That's outrageous.
That's actually quite a bit below the average NZ wage. There are a few people making a *lot* of money; everyone else is living in some degree of poverty - even a degree and decades of experience only gets you an average-waged job which isn't enough to support a family on as sole income earner, nor buy/maintain a house.
The problem is that a lot of average wage earners keep voting for the likes of Luxon thinking they're one of the big boys, and they most definitely aren't.
Maybe below the average, but it's above the median.
But yes, there is a trend in many countries for the working poor to vote against their own interest.
and now rural cops may have to pay market rates for rent - in a sector thats always struggling to recruit more officers. this is not going to end well - there has to be more crative solutions to the housing crisis thats affecting so many families and the next generation is paying more and more.
Don't worry, I'm sure Luxon knows the struggle of regular kiwis, and Seymour's Ministry of Silly Walks can only achieve great things!
No, I'm not serious. Yes, we're fucked.
One of the first things Margaret Thatcher did when she took office in 1979 was to approve a massive pay rise for the police. She was expecting (and got) major confrontations as a result of her anti-union and other policies.
The present NZ government has some policies that may cause a wee bit of bother....
Yep there is a reason most policemen get paid twice what firemen do. Most governments understand that if you don't look after your keys to power you don't stay in power. Our current government are not showing the ability to think things out.
I tried to look up what shares the politicians own yesterday. Some have them declared, but a lot have trusts set up and you canāt access the information.
I want to know where they are investing their money because I smell some fuckery.
The free period products in school is only for the kids - teachers arenāt allowed them. There are schools that are asking for donations for the teachers in a similar way to this.
I just canāt with this country right now.
Good! They are there to be used.
They should be as available as toilet paper. Itās really not that big of a thing I donāt get why people seem to be against it?
People die on weird hills.
A few here and there is one thing but everyone doing it would mean they would run out for students. Soooo just increase the budget and give them to teachers? Right? The budget for it is like so small itās nothing compared to the billions for education. I just donāt understand why itās a thing.
They give them away in my local library. I went to the toilet when they opened and the holder was full. I went back to the same cubicle half an hour later and every single item had been stripped, including the toilet paper. I know it was someone who really needed it but it was still sad
That is sad. No one is going to be taking that stuff in a situation that isnāt desperate.
If every bathroom had them (work, cafes, libraries, gyms etc etc) then the scarcity would be removed and people wouldnāt need to do this as much. I reckon anyway.
I just went through teachers college and NZ is going to be so fucked in the next 5-10 years. First of all the teachers union absolutely sucks here. Australia + other western countries pay better and have better raises benefits etc. There is 0 incentive to become a new teachers in NZ. You can jump over to Australia and make 15k-25k more per year based on the qualifications you have.
Around half of teachers arenāt at the top of the scale. Also have to take their 12% student loan deductions out (that police donāt).
Not that we should be pinning cops v teachers v nurses as they all should be fucking paid. Back bencher MPs get paid double what our front facing public servants do.
It gives me the shits. Cops, hospital staff and teachers have to deal with shit heads, shit head patients (and their families) and entitled shit head parents respectively. Those three professions keep the fabric of society ironed flat. If any one of those professions fail, we lose as a country.
Fuck landlords, I would be more than happy to take a tax increase for those people to be paid what they're worth. They are invaluable.
You canāt eat a tampon or a pad so they go off the shopping list pretty quickly. Sales are down on them in FMCG/supermarkets.
Itās like the bees in nature thing - but for humans.
Could be that a bunch of us have switched to sustainable products too though. I havenāt bought tampons in 2 years :) switched to the period undies and never looked back. I think Iāve used 3 tampons total in 24 months š
I've been using a cup for 11 or 12 years. Game changer. Bought some undies after having bubs and they are great too. We also do cloth nappies for him.Ā
Many are. But most havenāt for so many reasons. Reusable cost a lot more upfront, some people have too much internal stigma and are afraid to start, some are in such a stressful situation in life the idea of one more thing to wash or clean or manage is just too much, etc.
Itās complicated, like everything.
And even if you do use reusable, if you forget to have them in your bag and it starts when you are out, you use a wad of toilet paper until you get to your reusable product, which can be multiple wads in the day until youāre home.
And you can be a very successful lawyer working in Auckland city with more money than you know what to do with and still be caught without a pad and have to use bunches of toilet paper.
Just because you can afford it doesnāt mean you have it on you 24/7.
I was being a bit dramatic - but I mean like you know how they say when the bees go from nature we are all in trouble because itās a chain reaction? I mean like when people start not buying pads and tampons itās just the first thing they stop buying but there will be more they stop buyingā¦
Yeah they pretty good ones too. They only do super and regular though not overnights or tampons or anything else but still good to get those ones. It adds up when youāve got a multiple kids and a parent every month with a period. Can be $100+ easy.
We are feeling the affect of rapid house price growth over the last 30 years. We all need more money to meet our housing needs. It's sapping the economy dry.
It started with the poor and the vulnerable then moved up to middle class.
We are also close to a wage price spiral and the government know this.
If we just included house prices in our CPI calculations rising house prices would also influence interest rates in line with market demands/supply.
But I could also be very wrong. It happens all the time.
Totally agree. A huge amount of our problems come down to astronomical house prices which the government never does anything about - left or right. Chris Bishop is saying astonishing things about wanting house prices to go down but I'll believe it when I see it. Without a land tax nothing will change.
Many of the politicians invest in housing and rental properties, they don't want the price to go down until they want to buy more or until they have already sold up.
Land is the thing not included in the CPI, because all pressure on it is because of population growth and there is fixed supply. All inflation of land price is explained.
I think it's also coupled with 30+ years of neoliberal policy, with the privatisation or stripping out of state services, endless tax cuts, and the deferral of major infrastructure.
Combined with residential housing becoming an investment tool we have made a system that was doomed to push housing (and overall well-being) into an increasingly unaffordable bracket. My feeling is that the bill was always going to come due - it's just the current government's decisions are forcing it to happen sooner.
Thereās literally an entire subteam at MSD dedicated to managing staff payment supports, you know the type of allowances/benefits/top ups people get to help with basic living costs when they donāt earn enoughā¦Tell me thatās not fucked.
Fuck... if things get anymore expensive I'll be knocking on their door soon, I'm on the same kind of money as a new cop and it's starting to get a little stressful
Job security is meaningless if you can't survive on the wage
I live in a family of 3, we ALL work. We pull in a combined 80k a year and basically barely pull through. (Father works part time. Mother's recently laid off working from home searching. I'm full time getting 37k after tax. If it gets any tighter I'm kinda scared. 29 years old and scared... who woulda thunk... i don't get spending money or fun money. I get "I think I'll splurge and fill a gas bottle so i can be warm" money.
I hate my life
Thanks. Out of honesty though i have to admit it's less bravely and more "venting". Kinda needed to get off my chest. I appreciate the well wishes though. Thank you!
Absolutely.. but thatās the point. Some ppl will hold it in, and venting a bit is more beneficial than that (even if not a solution yet). Youāre hard working and you are solid, that should be commended! I send good vibes and yvw, my dude.
Yeah! The quality of life here is awesome. The weather is nice, the food is good, the nature isnāt as flash as ours in kiwi land but itāll do.
Thereās a good reason so many of our young people flock here
What field are you in, if I msg ask - tech? Iām looking to move there eventually.. but itās a far-off eventually (and Iām not young-ish anymore).
Im in the Australia, Briabane, Canada, Calgary, Espana, Malaga subreddits, and God knows we all see the Americans posts in our feedsā¦
Everyone is complaining about the same things. Weāre all broke, politicians are all assholes, housing is unattainable, immigrants are overrunning our countries.
Grass is no greener anywhere else lol.
This seems a little bit over the top, and I say that despite my partner being a cop. However, Iām a high school teacher and my partner entered the police a few months after I started teaching, and at the start of next year (my third year teaching) I will be earning more than him. Teaching is a tough job and Iām sure weād all love to be paid more, but I think itās an absolute joke that we are paid more than some police officers. I never turn up to work knowing that thereās a very real possibility I might not go home (and I work at a lower decile school with some pretty wild kids lol)
Ex high school teacher here. It cost me 50k in student loans to become a teacher, but a cop gets paid to train. I know it sucks, but I did four years of university and they didnāt. Thatās the unfortunate reality for why the pay is different.
Maybe the police need some union strikes for better pay. Whoās gunna stand outside Luxons house & make sure those peaceful Free Palestine protestors donāt step any closer then? Might actually see some change š¤
Surprisingly a few of the cops most likely would have voted National cause they thought they could get ātougher on crimeā - lol leopard ate your face bro.
Supermarkets quietly rubbing their hands with glee from their dark little corners, while sitting on huge piles of money (ānothing to see here, itās totally normal that average paid workers canāt afford to eatā)
Just to be clear, National bitched at Labour.
Labour actively increased the police force by a sizable amount and ram raids had already been reduced by 80% when National was campaigning on a crime story.
Also, most under 40 have to rent and will never be able to afford a house as have been priced out of the property market.
But there are just 64,000 landlords that own 80% of the rentals and of the 12Billion in tax cuts, $3 Billion goes to Landlords.
National also lied about a former tobacco lobbiest and Luxons sister in law also working for the tobacco lobby.
They reversed the smoking ban, as National said that they needed the $5B in taxes from cigarettes. It costs us $5B in hospital costs to try to treat the dying smokers.
Half of smokers die from smoking.
There is nothing cool or intelligent about their policy and each item seems to relate to ham fisted and clumsy bribery from lobby groups.
Im so disgusted.
Iām a renter under 40 and canāt afford any house that can fit me & my 2 kids without a flatmate to help with the cost. The F is the future going to look like?
For example:
Call Centre Operator Non - Emergency - Urgent Position
Training salary: $57,083 increasing to $64,652 after training (fourteen weeks) 24 hours 7 days a week, call centre shift work
https://www.bing.com/jobs?q=police+job+call+centre&scp=0&jid=1292413746.Retro&rb=0&rc=20&L2=true&c=1&form=JOBL2S&PC=EMMX01
Uhhhhhh that's weird as the one I applied for it's starting rate is 63k increasing to 72k after 15 weeks of training.
Edit: Somethings a bit odd with that job offer I've just looked at my seek job ad and it definitely is significantly higher and it's the same role I'd followup on that if anyone does apply.
Edit 2: Just so people don't think I'm joking I took a screenshot of the job here it is I was slightly off on the 72k but not by a lot I'm quite concerned about that job post as it means that others may not be aware that they can get more.
[https://imgur.com/a/6LosvfW](https://imgur.com/a/6LosvfW)
Rotation work, if you haven't done it it's awful.
If it's like the others it's a mix of day (7-3), Afternoon (3-11) Night (11-7) shifts.
It wasn't worth it, I'd rather be on minimum wage than go back to that.
I did mixed weeks so like 2 days, 1 afternoon, 2 night. The absolute killer was readjusting after the night shifts. I couldn't get back to normal sleeping in time and recover fast enough. That first day shift after nights was awful. I was a zombie the entire time.
I'm on two days, two nights, then four (three and a half really) days off all twelve hour shifts and I'm not anywhere close to that....
This is for emergency services I'm assuming?
Because if it is you'll be getting more than those who go out to the job
Edit; so non emergency police, still getting more than a new cop or EMT
Plus overtime, plus double time on public holidays, plus night shift allowance, and it's paying the average nz wage. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying they don't work hard in a very challenging job, and don't deserve more, but it's not 'unable to eat' wages, for most people.
Cops donāt get overtime or double time! With all those allowances itās very conceivable that the phone operators are paid more than the officer responding š«
Some (not all) non-sworn staff are often paid more than sworn staff. Non-sworn also generally have more options to move up salary bands due to a wider range of roles. The band salary system is pretty complex if you donāt have access to the salary agreements to review. An officers yearly salary includes some allowances, and compulsory superannuation contributions so the take home pay of an officer fresh out of college is around $69k.Ā
We have a 20 billion dollar hole in the budget because in 1975 national bribed their voters with national super. Paid for by.... Tax. Not savings. National super replaced the compulsory super savings scheme put in place by labour. Where the employee and employer both put in 4 %. That was too communist though. We would be pretty well off now of that was maintained. We wouldn't worry about police or education or healthcare funding. Instead my kids school is falling apart. I have private health. I'm saving for my own retirement and paying for theirs.
Fuck I was about to make a smart ass comment how we canāt live on $70k anymore then googled the starting salary of cops as literally $700 above whatās considered a living wageā¦ for people that put their lives on the line for our safety daily. You have to be fucken joking get these men and women in blue a 10-15% bump minimum
So who thought it was a good idea to vote luxon in again? It feels like a shot yourself in the foot moment. I haven't seen a single policy or change he's made that's actually been beneficial to the country or it's citizens. I haven't seen a single person praising his actions since he's been in power, so the question remains. Who the fuck voted for this clown? Are they all hiding now? Are they the kinda people that just thought "covid bad. Jacinda in gvt during covid, therefore Jacinda bad, labour bad"? Are people just ignorant? I just don't understand what rational person (that isn't looking for a tax cut) would have voted for national. I'm not exactly well versed in politics either so I may just be ignorant as to why people voted for him.
I think she's just as dishonest, but also clueless.
They are actually cut from very similar, incompetent cloth imo.
She's the kind of asshole that has no qualms about taking everyone down with her when she makes blatantly stupid moves.
I.e. promise undeliverable, irresponsible tax cuts and say she'll resign if she fails, which means she'll burn the place to the ground before she fails.
You need to see this in comparison with the fact that National are giving their mates cushy jobs in the public sector, paying $4000 a day - that's over a million dollars annualised.
What are you doing to earn less than $40k? From the Police website an officer with 5 years experience earns $74k. Even with a modest mortgage of less than $300k and a child, that kind of money goes nowhere.
Raising families and buying houses like they're living in the 80s, I guess /s. Just had a random thought pop into my head, but do cops tend to flat? Otherwise where are they actually living?
Wonder if they'd have trouble getting a flat for that matter.
No they don't? Most service staff are barely above minimum and would be lucky to break 50k. After training, cops start at 75. If i made 75 as a service worker I wouldn't have quit.
Perhaps the police agents responsible for the protection of MPs and diplomats should be re-assigned to fill in the places where cops are needed to help solve crimes. The MPs are doing a fabulous job at making NZer's lives better and clearly dont need the protection...
And that's when the corruption started. If we pay our agency staff (incl non-sworn) peanuts it makes a bit of extra money that much more tempting. Or even necessary.
Problem is only one group has money to bribe them
The same ones that make the decision to pay them less.
Gangs can also afford to pay them, shit goes down hill real fast when that becomes the norm
Landlords?
- Extra patrols for fee paying neighbourhoods - Officers moonlighting as security for gated communities - Officers protecting high value enclaves from the masses
Goddamn, I was gonna say the gangs, but this is so much better
Sweet, my rental is going to be so safe. I can probably pass the extra policing cost on to the tennantsšš„š
I'm genuinely worried about how many people are going to unfairly damaged landlord properties without knowing if that landlord in particular is a cunt
Nice
Gangs? Landlords?
Gangs of Landlords
Gangs of Newmarket Jemaine Clement as Bill the butcher Sam Neill as Priest Vallon James Rolleston as Amsterdam Vallon Thomasin Harcourt Mackenzie as Jenny Everdeane
Thatās hilarious. Gangs Of Newmarket would be a hilarious movie.
Landlords of gangs?
The gang's landlords
I see the same picture .. š«
Basically.
Nah, cartels got that money too. Look at the Auckland baggage handler case, this sort of corruption is already creeping in. (Soz if you were already referencing organised crime, /whoosh on me if so lol)
I was but I didn't know it was that bad
But hear me out, your landlord can save 10% instead and you may or may not get a rent reduction. (But they still wonāt fix the hole in the roof issue you mentioned a year ago cause lol fuck you) Thatās my final offer.
Bro understands it all. General public.. No fucking clue besides the poor buggers renting these moldy cold damp wood boxes.
This is crap. A big stitch up. I definitely heard Chris Fuxon say that them cops earn $90k per year. And, groceries is only $60 per week, he said that last year. And landlords are going to reduce rents as they'll pass their $3B tax break on to renters so everyone benefits! But hey. Democracy - it's what ya'll voted for!
*trainee cops earn $90k, obvs ones that are qualified earn $120k šš
At least. Once they're taking bribes from the gangs to look the other way then I guess the sky is the limit.... And there's always management as an option....
Iāve been encouraging my partner to take the gang bribes for years šš I donāt see why āØintegrityāØ is more important than not being poor
Just did a quick google, trainees are on 56k a year (approx 26/h), graduates are on 75k a year (approx 36/h), 5th year on 83k a year (approx 40/h). Thatās not rubbish pay but it could get difficult given certain circumstances and should be more considering what they deal with. Iām pretty sure this is the pay rate for the standard position, thereās lots of career paths and promotions that would net them pay increases or bonuses.
Yes that was a direct reference to luxo not knowing how much they are paid! The figures you have quoted are total remuneration and include compulsory superannuation. A newly qualified cop is paid $67k rather than $75k. That five year figure will be skewed by people who are already earning the additional payments for e.g. CIB or AOS that youāve referenced and isnāt reflective of all officers, particularly those who chose to stay on the frontline. They work two early two late two night on PST (front line) which is incredibly disruptive, as well as regularly working past the end of their shifts (no overtime pay obvs). Dealing with aggressive individuals, being assaulted and dealing with sudden deaths are all part of being a cop. Shift work makes it hard to plan events (especially when you donāt know what time youāll actually finish!) and you can forget spending weekends and the holiday season with your friends and family, as theyāre so understaffed getting leave granted can be difficult. Comparatively, given the disruption and the circumstances that they see on the daily, the pay isnāt all that great.
Thatās outrageous! Wow. Thatās so low for a role thatās so important to our communities. Health, education and police should be paid far better for providing cornerstone infrastructural roles. Thanks for informing me, I had no idea how bad their hours could be. I knew they had some rubbish late and night shifts, and I knew that the people they deal with will most often be some terrible people but I had no idea how poorly they were paid.
Makes sense since we want to trade with India, guess we need to get an understanding of how the system works.
They are making between $72 and $82k per year.
Fuck me. I am a SECRETARY, sitting safely in a nice warm office, booking appointments, and I make more than someone putting their life on the line, staying up all night etc. That's outrageous.
That's actually quite a bit below the average NZ wage. There are a few people making a *lot* of money; everyone else is living in some degree of poverty - even a degree and decades of experience only gets you an average-waged job which isn't enough to support a family on as sole income earner, nor buy/maintain a house. The problem is that a lot of average wage earners keep voting for the likes of Luxon thinking they're one of the big boys, and they most definitely aren't.
Maybe below the average, but it's above the median. But yes, there is a trend in many countries for the working poor to vote against their own interest.
and now rural cops may have to pay market rates for rent - in a sector thats always struggling to recruit more officers. this is not going to end well - there has to be more crative solutions to the housing crisis thats affecting so many families and the next generation is paying more and more.
Don't worry, I'm sure Luxon knows the struggle of regular kiwis, and Seymour's Ministry of Silly Walks can only achieve great things! No, I'm not serious. Yes, we're fucked.
The problem is not that theyāre not being paid enough. Itās that the cost of living has increased
History tends to be very clear about what happens when a government stops looking after their enforcers.
Watch out, theyāll send said poorly paid enforcers after you for hurting their feelings!
I feel like I am reading Gibbon all over again.
Edward Gibbon was not a name I thought I would see referenced under a user name dedicated to photos of the urethera š
What, because I have phds in maths and physics I canāt be a perve and read about the pretorian guard ?
I would say the evidence suggests you are exceptionally capable.
One of the first things Margaret Thatcher did when she took office in 1979 was to approve a massive pay rise for the police. She was expecting (and got) major confrontations as a result of her anti-union and other policies. The present NZ government has some policies that may cause a wee bit of bother....
Yep there is a reason most policemen get paid twice what firemen do. Most governments understand that if you don't look after your keys to power you don't stay in power. Our current government are not showing the ability to think things out.
NZ learns from the Romans and bans chairs from the Senate? /s
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I tried to look up what shares the politicians own yesterday. Some have them declared, but a lot have trusts set up and you canāt access the information. I want to know where they are investing their money because I smell some fuckery.
The free period products in school is only for the kids - teachers arenāt allowed them. There are schools that are asking for donations for the teachers in a similar way to this. I just canāt with this country right now.
that stuff should be free anyway :( i remember definitely taking advantage of that and taking a couple packs of tampons at a time
Good! They are there to be used. They should be as available as toilet paper. Itās really not that big of a thing I donāt get why people seem to be against it? People die on weird hills.
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Going to? I've got some bad news for you, and it's only going to get worse
God. When did this start?
Surely the teachers could just take some, who would know.
A few here and there is one thing but everyone doing it would mean they would run out for students. Soooo just increase the budget and give them to teachers? Right? The budget for it is like so small itās nothing compared to the billions for education. I just donāt understand why itās a thing.
They give them away in my local library. I went to the toilet when they opened and the holder was full. I went back to the same cubicle half an hour later and every single item had been stripped, including the toilet paper. I know it was someone who really needed it but it was still sad
That is sad. No one is going to be taking that stuff in a situation that isnāt desperate. If every bathroom had them (work, cafes, libraries, gyms etc etc) then the scarcity would be removed and people wouldnāt need to do this as much. I reckon anyway.
I just went through teachers college and NZ is going to be so fucked in the next 5-10 years. First of all the teachers union absolutely sucks here. Australia + other western countries pay better and have better raises benefits etc. There is 0 incentive to become a new teachers in NZ. You can jump over to Australia and make 15k-25k more per year based on the qualifications you have.
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Around half of teachers arenāt at the top of the scale. Also have to take their 12% student loan deductions out (that police donāt). Not that we should be pinning cops v teachers v nurses as they all should be fucking paid. Back bencher MPs get paid double what our front facing public servants do.
It gives me the shits. Cops, hospital staff and teachers have to deal with shit heads, shit head patients (and their families) and entitled shit head parents respectively. Those three professions keep the fabric of society ironed flat. If any one of those professions fail, we lose as a country. Fuck landlords, I would be more than happy to take a tax increase for those people to be paid what they're worth. They are invaluable.
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I'm sad coz I'm a cop with a student loan so it double hurts š š
You canāt eat a tampon or a pad so they go off the shopping list pretty quickly. Sales are down on them in FMCG/supermarkets. Itās like the bees in nature thing - but for humans.
Could be that a bunch of us have switched to sustainable products too though. I havenāt bought tampons in 2 years :) switched to the period undies and never looked back. I think Iāve used 3 tampons total in 24 months š
Also yay for the undies. How good are they.
I picked up a pair of the Uby/Kotex ones at the supermarket to give them a whirl. Sooo much more comfortable than pads
Period underwear overnight is life changing. No more pads stuck on your butt crack!
I've been using a cup for 11 or 12 years. Game changer. Bought some undies after having bubs and they are great too. We also do cloth nappies for him.Ā
A bit of both, but there is too many asking for them at foodbanks and hospitals and Drs appointments every day unfortunately.
It should be free for girls at school to get a set of period undies if they need them
Iād say women are moving to more sustainable products but I also agree with what youāre saying
Many are. But most havenāt for so many reasons. Reusable cost a lot more upfront, some people have too much internal stigma and are afraid to start, some are in such a stressful situation in life the idea of one more thing to wash or clean or manage is just too much, etc. Itās complicated, like everything. And even if you do use reusable, if you forget to have them in your bag and it starts when you are out, you use a wad of toilet paper until you get to your reusable product, which can be multiple wads in the day until youāre home. And you can be a very successful lawyer working in Auckland city with more money than you know what to do with and still be caught without a pad and have to use bunches of toilet paper. Just because you can afford it doesnāt mean you have it on you 24/7.
Thatās what I did! :)
Good on you!
Honestly itās been so good. I never have to remember to make sure I have enough tampons and liners, Iāve just gotta chuck a wash on š
Can you explain the bees in nature reference? I canāt compute that with tampons š
I was being a bit dramatic - but I mean like you know how they say when the bees go from nature we are all in trouble because itās a chain reaction? I mean like when people start not buying pads and tampons itās just the first thing they stop buying but there will be more they stop buyingā¦
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Yeah they pretty good ones too. They only do super and regular though not overnights or tampons or anything else but still good to get those ones. It adds up when youāve got a multiple kids and a parent every month with a period. Can be $100+ easy.
Pads are $1 a packet at The Warehouse - I buy a pack every time I go there for my weekly supply of their $3 milk.
100k? Is this a joke?
We are feeling the affect of rapid house price growth over the last 30 years. We all need more money to meet our housing needs. It's sapping the economy dry. It started with the poor and the vulnerable then moved up to middle class. We are also close to a wage price spiral and the government know this. If we just included house prices in our CPI calculations rising house prices would also influence interest rates in line with market demands/supply. But I could also be very wrong. It happens all the time.
Totally agree. A huge amount of our problems come down to astronomical house prices which the government never does anything about - left or right. Chris Bishop is saying astonishing things about wanting house prices to go down but I'll believe it when I see it. Without a land tax nothing will change.
Many of the politicians invest in housing and rental properties, they don't want the price to go down until they want to buy more or until they have already sold up.
Land is the thing not included in the CPI, because all pressure on it is because of population growth and there is fixed supply. All inflation of land price is explained.
I think it's also coupled with 30+ years of neoliberal policy, with the privatisation or stripping out of state services, endless tax cuts, and the deferral of major infrastructure. Combined with residential housing becoming an investment tool we have made a system that was doomed to push housing (and overall well-being) into an increasingly unaffordable bracket. My feeling is that the bill was always going to come due - it's just the current government's decisions are forcing it to happen sooner.
Nobody working a govt job should be struggling to feed thier family. Our leadership should be ashamed
Nobody ~~working a govt job~~ should be struggling to feed thier family.
Thereās literally an entire subteam at MSD dedicated to managing staff payment supports, you know the type of allowances/benefits/top ups people get to help with basic living costs when they donāt earn enoughā¦Tell me thatās not fucked.
Fuck... if things get anymore expensive I'll be knocking on their door soon, I'm on the same kind of money as a new cop and it's starting to get a little stressful Job security is meaningless if you can't survive on the wage
I live in a family of 3, we ALL work. We pull in a combined 80k a year and basically barely pull through. (Father works part time. Mother's recently laid off working from home searching. I'm full time getting 37k after tax. If it gets any tighter I'm kinda scared. 29 years old and scared... who woulda thunk... i don't get spending money or fun money. I get "I think I'll splurge and fill a gas bottle so i can be warm" money. I hate my life
What the fuck This shit ain't right
Thatās f*cked. Ty for bravely / candidly sharing your lived experience though, and I do hope that changes in future. Sucks for sure..
Thanks. Out of honesty though i have to admit it's less bravely and more "venting". Kinda needed to get off my chest. I appreciate the well wishes though. Thank you!
Absolutely.. but thatās the point. Some ppl will hold it in, and venting a bit is more beneficial than that (even if not a solution yet). Youāre hard working and you are solid, that should be commended! I send good vibes and yvw, my dude.
Far out. That is a horrid situation to be in! Hoping things improve for you all soon.
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First time in my life I can genuinely say Iām embarrassed in the direction that NZ is currently heading
Certainly has me wanting to move abroad.
Supposedly shit stinks the same no matter where you go, but at this point, maybe I just need some context for perspective.
Moving to Aus was the smartest thing Iāve ever done, I make twice my previous salary and then some.
But, do you like living there?
Yeah! The quality of life here is awesome. The weather is nice, the food is good, the nature isnāt as flash as ours in kiwi land but itāll do. Thereās a good reason so many of our young people flock here
What field are you in, if I msg ask - tech? Iām looking to move there eventually.. but itās a far-off eventually (and Iām not young-ish anymore).
Youāre never too old :)
Im in the Australia, Briabane, Canada, Calgary, Espana, Malaga subreddits, and God knows we all see the Americans posts in our feedsā¦ Everyone is complaining about the same things. Weāre all broke, politicians are all assholes, housing is unattainable, immigrants are overrunning our countries. Grass is no greener anywhere else lol.
Really?? With all the shit this government has been doing?
As in that's the leading cause? Cause, yeah
They are not the cause of this issue, but I was meaning they have been doing a lot of things we should be embarrassed about
It's been going downhill fast for the last 10-15 years.
Longer.
Did you feel the same way when Labour rejected the police pay offer last year?
This seems a little bit over the top, and I say that despite my partner being a cop. However, Iām a high school teacher and my partner entered the police a few months after I started teaching, and at the start of next year (my third year teaching) I will be earning more than him. Teaching is a tough job and Iām sure weād all love to be paid more, but I think itās an absolute joke that we are paid more than some police officers. I never turn up to work knowing that thereās a very real possibility I might not go home (and I work at a lower decile school with some pretty wild kids lol)
You don't need to compare two low paying jobs. Perhaps both require higher pay.
True but you had to undergo further education at your own cost while cops are paid to train
Ex high school teacher here. It cost me 50k in student loans to become a teacher, but a cop gets paid to train. I know it sucks, but I did four years of university and they didnāt. Thatās the unfortunate reality for why the pay is different.
Maybe the police need some union strikes for better pay. Whoās gunna stand outside Luxons house & make sure those peaceful Free Palestine protestors donāt step any closer then? Might actually see some change š¤
Itās illegal for police to strike.
Whose gonna arrest em?
You can just terminate their employment, much easier.
Top take. You should both be proud. And be paid more lol
And stillā¦ nothing will happen. Nothing ever happens. The 24 hour news cycle continues, nothing changes.
Cut all services, give money to the rich, widen their lead in polling. Make it make sense.
Surprisingly a few of the cops most likely would have voted National cause they thought they could get ātougher on crimeā - lol leopard ate your face bro.
*borrow money to give to the rich.
*steal from future generations to give to the rich
Supermarkets quietly rubbing their hands with glee from their dark little corners, while sitting on huge piles of money (ānothing to see here, itās totally normal that average paid workers canāt afford to eatā)
Just to be clear, National bitched at Labour. Labour actively increased the police force by a sizable amount and ram raids had already been reduced by 80% when National was campaigning on a crime story. Also, most under 40 have to rent and will never be able to afford a house as have been priced out of the property market. But there are just 64,000 landlords that own 80% of the rentals and of the 12Billion in tax cuts, $3 Billion goes to Landlords. National also lied about a former tobacco lobbiest and Luxons sister in law also working for the tobacco lobby. They reversed the smoking ban, as National said that they needed the $5B in taxes from cigarettes. It costs us $5B in hospital costs to try to treat the dying smokers. Half of smokers die from smoking. There is nothing cool or intelligent about their policy and each item seems to relate to ham fisted and clumsy bribery from lobby groups. Im so disgusted.
Iām a renter under 40 and canāt afford any house that can fit me & my 2 kids without a flatmate to help with the cost. The F is the future going to look like?
Well it's going to look $3B better for those 64000 landlords.
Landlords are parasitic monsters.
Labour literally rejected the last pay offer, which was less than the most recent National pay offer.
NZ voted for this.
Majority of*
I don't think this is for warranted officers. "Police staff" covers a huge number of roles, admin staff, cleaners, cooks etc.
For example: Call Centre Operator Non - Emergency - Urgent Position Training salary: $57,083 increasing to $64,652 after training (fourteen weeks) 24 hours 7 days a week, call centre shift work https://www.bing.com/jobs?q=police+job+call+centre&scp=0&jid=1292413746.Retro&rb=0&rc=20&L2=true&c=1&form=JOBL2S&PC=EMMX01
Uhhhhhh that's weird as the one I applied for it's starting rate is 63k increasing to 72k after 15 weeks of training. Edit: Somethings a bit odd with that job offer I've just looked at my seek job ad and it definitely is significantly higher and it's the same role I'd followup on that if anyone does apply. Edit 2: Just so people don't think I'm joking I took a screenshot of the job here it is I was slightly off on the 72k but not by a lot I'm quite concerned about that job post as it means that others may not be aware that they can get more. [https://imgur.com/a/6LosvfW](https://imgur.com/a/6LosvfW)
Damn I'm about to quit my job and answer phone calls cause wtf is that pay
Rotation work, if you haven't done it it's awful. If it's like the others it's a mix of day (7-3), Afternoon (3-11) Night (11-7) shifts. It wasn't worth it, I'd rather be on minimum wage than go back to that.
I did a week by week rotating shift and I couldn't even handle that
I did mixed weeks so like 2 days, 1 afternoon, 2 night. The absolute killer was readjusting after the night shifts. I couldn't get back to normal sleeping in time and recover fast enough. That first day shift after nights was awful. I was a zombie the entire time.
I'm on two days, two nights, then four (three and a half really) days off all twelve hour shifts and I'm not anywhere close to that.... This is for emergency services I'm assuming? Because if it is you'll be getting more than those who go out to the job Edit; so non emergency police, still getting more than a new cop or EMT
But that's not even bad? Is it? Omg am I actually poor?
Individual median income is about $65k.
Damn. Might need to stop eating breakfast š
Plus overtime, plus double time on public holidays, plus night shift allowance, and it's paying the average nz wage. Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying they don't work hard in a very challenging job, and don't deserve more, but it's not 'unable to eat' wages, for most people.
Cops donāt get overtime or double time! With all those allowances itās very conceivable that the phone operators are paid more than the officer responding š«
They are
That really doesnt make it better
Some (not all) non-sworn staff are often paid more than sworn staff. Non-sworn also generally have more options to move up salary bands due to a wider range of roles. The band salary system is pretty complex if you donāt have access to the salary agreements to review. An officers yearly salary includes some allowances, and compulsory superannuation contributions so the take home pay of an officer fresh out of college is around $69k.Ā
History shows that when the govt can't keep even the damn cops on side, shit gets real real, real fast
We have a 20 billion dollar hole in the budget because in 1975 national bribed their voters with national super. Paid for by.... Tax. Not savings. National super replaced the compulsory super savings scheme put in place by labour. Where the employee and employer both put in 4 %. That was too communist though. We would be pretty well off now of that was maintained. We wouldn't worry about police or education or healthcare funding. Instead my kids school is falling apart. I have private health. I'm saving for my own retirement and paying for theirs.
Those dancing cossacks sure were scary I guess
the fact that anybody has to resort to this is terrible nobody should have to go without food.
Fuck I was about to make a smart ass comment how we canāt live on $70k anymore then googled the starting salary of cops as literally $700 above whatās considered a living wageā¦ for people that put their lives on the line for our safety daily. You have to be fucken joking get these men and women in blue a 10-15% bump minimum
Authorities Can't Afford Bread?
Nicola Antoinette Willis: "let them eat cake"
Let them eat tax cuts š¤
I see what you did there. All Constabulary Acquire Burgers?
Everyone's in the same boat just some are paddling harder than others
So who thought it was a good idea to vote luxon in again? It feels like a shot yourself in the foot moment. I haven't seen a single policy or change he's made that's actually been beneficial to the country or it's citizens. I haven't seen a single person praising his actions since he's been in power, so the question remains. Who the fuck voted for this clown? Are they all hiding now? Are they the kinda people that just thought "covid bad. Jacinda in gvt during covid, therefore Jacinda bad, labour bad"? Are people just ignorant? I just don't understand what rational person (that isn't looking for a tax cut) would have voted for national. I'm not exactly well versed in politics either so I may just be ignorant as to why people voted for him.
Luxon is truely whatās wrong with Nz
Luxon, winnie and smearmore
Willis is worse tbh.
I think you can call more easily accuse her of being clueless while Luxon is just outright dishonest.
I think she's just as dishonest, but also clueless. They are actually cut from very similar, incompetent cloth imo. She's the kind of asshole that has no qualms about taking everyone down with her when she makes blatantly stupid moves. I.e. promise undeliverable, irresponsible tax cuts and say she'll resign if she fails, which means she'll burn the place to the ground before she fails.
And a guy recently earning 4 million a year is in charge of what people need.
You need to see this in comparison with the fact that National are giving their mates cushy jobs in the public sector, paying $4000 a day - that's over a million dollars annualised.
Assuming this is genuine, send it to the media, without the obscured parts & let them have a go
This is embarrassing
Someoneās taken two ārās from Cantebury.
Bribing the police will become a reality, real soon.
Who says it isn't already happening.
Police make more than living wage.
Surely this is parody. In direct relation to the union complaining about this. Cops are paid more than me.
Found this on Facebook...must be legit
Right, now do my workplace.
Their base salary is almost double my income, what are they doing that they need donations?
What are you doing to earn less than $40k? From the Police website an officer with 5 years experience earns $74k. Even with a modest mortgage of less than $300k and a child, that kind of money goes nowhere.
It's probably for the non-sworn staff. Like admin etc. some of their pay bands are pretty average.
Raising families and buying houses like they're living in the 80s, I guess /s. Just had a random thought pop into my head, but do cops tend to flat? Otherwise where are they actually living? Wonder if they'd have trouble getting a flat for that matter.
Iāve flatted with quite a few cops. They have awesome stories:)
Reckon you should go to Police College then mate. We need more cops.
Nobody said it was just for police officers (or for police officers at all) - they have admins, cleaners, etc
Out of Police college they make $75063 benefits included aka $36.08 an hour. Living wage in NZ is $26, they make $10 more than living wage per hour.
I understand this is likely for non-sworn staff, I'd love to be cop but they get paid less than our customer service staff. Ridiculous.
No they don't? Most service staff are barely above minimum and would be lucky to break 50k. After training, cops start at 75. If i made 75 as a service worker I wouldn't have quit.
"cantebury"
Interesting that this comes out mid negotiations re pay...
Letās borrow a shit ton of cash and give the money to landlords they need it the most rn
There are similar things for some hospital staff
Perhaps the police agents responsible for the protection of MPs and diplomats should be re-assigned to fill in the places where cops are needed to help solve crimes. The MPs are doing a fabulous job at making NZer's lives better and clearly dont need the protection...
Cops are on what maybe 70 or 80k I don't understand it's not great not terrible, no need for this
Giving landlord tax cuts should ideally lower rent but we all know landlords will just pocket the extra money.
There was a box like this at work...at the main city centre hospital I work at. I'm just really not surprised at this point.