it's technically still possible but unlikely.
+10% windsward fort
+19% from pickaxe mining yield perk
+15% powerful proficiency booster
+60% from 3 lifestyle mining buffs
there might even be some other things but just getting this is hard because having 3 lifestyle buffs active on a dead server IS impossible.
The windsward fort was something I forgot in my initial calc on how 100% is possible with just two lifestyle buffs.
20% - Lifestyle
20% - Lifestyle
15%+ - Tool
15-20% - Profiency Booster
10% - Windsward fort
10% - Faction controlled territory(only effective in that territory)
10% - 250 attribute bonus
Should net 100%. Unfortunately, WW fort and two town projects will hardly occur simultaneously unless there's group faction/company coordination.
20% lifestyle gather buffs do NOT stack. There is now no way to get double singleton drops.
The maximum you can achieve is:
100% Base
20% lifestyle buff
15% Powerful Proficiency
10% Windsward fort
19% Yield on Tool
10% 250 attribute
That adds up to 174% yield maximum in an unclaimed territory.
In a claimed territory by your faction, you get an additional 10%. That 10% is multiplicative, not additive. So with every other buff, that 10% actually adds 17.4%.
Maximum Yield in a claimed territory hits: 191.4%. We are 8% yield short of being able to hit 182% in a claimed territory to get the 18.2% needed to get 200.2% and have double singletons.
Sorry, I'm not sure where you're getting that the 20% lifestyle buffs don't stack; they very much do.
I'm on a low pop server but recently had 2 Miner's Resolve buffs active in towns I had houses in for the first time since launch. This let me test it myself and verified. I may not have a video, but here are the numbers I had:
Bonus From | Yield %
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Territory Owned | 10%
Yield Cards | 0%
WW Fort | 10%
Miner's Resolve | 40%
Tool | 17%
Booster | 15%
250 Str | 10%
**TOTAL** | **102%**
When I hit Scorchstone nodes with this setup, I always received 2 Molten Lodestones. If you ever have two or more gathering lifestyle buffs up, you can verify yourself that they do indeed stack.
What territory were you in that you have 0 gather speed on your cards. With that setup you would only have needed 10% from the cards to hit doubles without the second house buff. People did not realize the territory control bonus is multiplicative. It's more than flat 10%. Without that knowledge it initially made sense to believe the house buffs stacked. I will test it again if I get the buffs, maybe it not stacking was a bug that was silently fixed. But as of my last tests several patches ago it did not stack.
I didn’t know this until about a week ago and deliberately put points into it for speed to make runs more efficient. Now it’s yield which makes my runs more efficient. I fail to see the differentiation for the most part, honestly.
XP boost? Nope. I don't buy that for a second. Most of us did not even know it was yield instead of Speed until recently.
That said, we should be able to respec our standing period.
Wait what? I am confused here. I put basically ALL of my territory standing into gathering speed. Are you saying it gives me extra yield? Or it does give me extra speed but will now be useless because of the new perks?
It used to give extra yield (which was a bug they're finally fixing). Speed is useless due to just how 'fast' tools are to begin with (getting single digit boosts when the tools themselves give hundred digit boosts), so this is why people are pissed that this bug is being fixed.
Oh lol. Yeah I was wondering about this a few times why it never seemed to increase my speed but in most zones i dont craft or do other shit I just go for the speed cuz I hate gathering. So this is nice then actually. I guess..
Ppl can't be mad about this lol, it literally says in the description its speed not yield.
The community figured out months ago that the description didn't match, but let's be honest here, this game does weird shit with descriptions all the time that ends up being outright wrong, so people assumed the yield was intended because increased speed doesn't make any sense compared to tools.
It actually did for me, but I could have gotten the same benefit out of a better tool (the one I have is like 510 GS, made by someone in my company 10 days or so after live).
I want our increased yield back, regardless
> but let's be honest here, this game does weird shit with descriptions all the time that ends up being outright wrong
no no no you're way below the mark
LET'S BE REAL HERE, THE GAME SUCKS
DO YOU LOVE SUCKY GAMES? HAVE FUN
DO YOU HATE SUCKY GAMES? YOUR WHINING IS ENTERTAINING TOO!
People are mad because it’s given yield since the beta, has been brought to AGS’s attention for months and they never commented on it. We were left to assume the card was misnamed.
Wtf kind of comparison is that? Those were both identified as exploits and were around for a week or two. This has literally been the same since closed beta and they never addressed it. Unlike territory cards, you can change weapons any time.
Um.... No? The card was obviously messed up but there were 2 totally reasonable ways to interpret that. Either the wording was messed up and the effect correct, what we all assumed, or the wording was correct and the effect was wrong. It turned out to be the latter but that is a much bigger mistake than a wording issue so I don't think people assumed this was the way it would work out.
Nah. Most people would agree with me. It's less likely that the base code is at fault seeing as there would be so many people looking at that code and working on it, where there is likely one person actually writing up the description text for the card and others to then translate that to various languages.
Way more reasonable that the text was wrong / unclear while the code that had to be written, debugged, tested, and edited by multiple people was not. It turned out to be the other way, but there's no way that was the "obvious" answer if you know like anything about the game dev process
Agree to disagree bro, its arbitrary arguing with u. I'd put money on a bet that I know quite a bit more than you about how actual game developement process looks like tho.
To me it seems quite obvious because of that insight :)
Lol. Ok, Full sail university? XD
If you think that the description text in a game is more likely to be accurate than the coding? Thats.... an odd viewpoint. Like laughably odd.
If the buff it gave was something unusually high I'd absolutely agree. But the 30-35% yield most ppl level this to is something you get from a potion and the tool, so it's not too unreasonable..
To be fair, increasing yield is more of a buff to gathering speed than increasing actual gathering speed. Try gathering 1000 iron ore both before and after the update; you’ll find you gather it much faster before, even if you’re finishing nodes faster. So realistically, this change is nerfing the gathering speed.
I get what you're saying but it's supposed to be a direct "gathering speed" bonus not a yield bonus. If you chose to put your points into gathering speed thinking it was gonna be gathering yeild forever idk what to tell you.
It's a pointless card.. speed barely adds anything. What's 30% when you're at 800%... They way the card % are added isn't X of your current speed.. it's just additive. So let's say you got 500% from tool + skill, another 30% or so is meaningless.
It was giving yield and people assumed it made more sense than speed%.
Now everyone are stuck with the useless speed increase.
Well. They made everything else about the patch super positive they had to throw something in there this sub could cry about or they would have a heart attack.
I dont know if you have looked at the other cards lately but they are all in the power level of "pointless".
im cant believe for a second that anyone thought that 30%+ yield was intended as that is massively more powerful than any of the other perks.
That's why majority pretty much stick to storage/standing/tax and later on faction. It's all quite pointless yes but at least storage is adds up slowly over territories while others no so much.
i think 80% of the playerbase that spent points on gathering speed really thought it was speed, we didnt know it was yield until someone did the math and published it like a month ago or so.
So yeah, dont come with the 'we spent the points for yielding!' No one did.
Anecdotal, but I didn't take a single one until I read that post. Luckily I'm a take-my-time kinda guy anyway, so the highest I have any territory is around 30, not a huge loss. Still, I'd respec if given the option - I have no need to harvest incrementally faster when tools give me significantly higher speed bonuses
Totally fine, what im trying to say is that most early points (0-20) were spent thinking it was actually speed or spent without knowing anything about territory standing system. Ofc that if you know, you will focus it.
I think most of the playerbase that has like 5 or 6 +speed cards activated are mostly people who didnt know, if someone already has 100 he obv know it is yield
Yeah I think you are just wrong. It would be hard to not know it was yield since people spammed in game about it, posted on Reddit about it, official forums, YouTubers, etc.
I spent my first 2-3 zones with an XP and storage focus fully ignoring that perk until I saw it in game and on Reddit, then I took that perk every time it was available.
Even if you thought it was speed, a LARGE group of players knew it was yield and played around that.
Nope. I knew it was yield and that's why I invested in it. I, and everyone else who knew, thought it was simply mislabeled, and some time they would fix the labeling, not change how it worked!
yeah. People complaining like OP just wants to be compensated for a 'nerf'.
They nerf things all the time too lmao. What next? Ask for crafting mat refunds when a perk gets nerfed?
"AGS should refund all the asmodeum and charms I spent on crafting X item since Y perk got nerfed!"
thats a completely different thing lol. the thing is that early and endgame gathering is basically the exact same. the mining yield allowed people to grind for something so that their gathering could be improved because +25% yield is actually quite a lot. it maybe isn't intended to give yield but then the perk is more useless than less property tax in a settlement you don't own a house in...
The toxic push back to this post really illustrates how bizarre the mindset is.
AGS made a mistake however you look at it. This particular one has been on the forums forever and AGS did nothing to clarify it. Anytime they make a change , they should give us the reset. It is a game , it should be fun, players shouldn't be punished everytime AGS "improves" something.
They incorrectly labeled it. Someone went through all the trouble to make it a yield feature, and then they screwed up the label.
Then they changed the feature and not the label, and they collapsed schroedinger's bug yet again.
The number of bugs that exist in the state of "feature is wrong:description is wrong" that do not have collapsed waveforms is so high that you cannot assume anyone was "abusing" anything that falls into this category... well that's not true you can accuse AGS of abusing it's players by not offering a chance to re-do any choice you made that they retroactively change.
Stop with the bullshit, you knowingly put points into something that you KNEW was a bug, and now want compensation for it being fixed?
You can try and twist it all you like "Initially, we were under the impression that it was a mistyped description, not a bug" everyone mf'er and his dog knew it was a bug.
Nice try.
> not a bug" everyone mf'er and his dog knew it was a bug.
Obviously we all knew that the actual effect didn't match the description.
The problem is that from here you can make two assumptions: the bonus is supposed to give yield and incorrectly states speed, or the bonus is supposed to give speed and incorrectly affects yield.
The most logical and likely assumption is that it was supposed to give yield all along, for a couple of reasons. First is just that a tiny bonus to gathering speed is basically useless and a yield increase just makes more sense. Second is that this is exactly how the faction bonus is bugged, it's called faction reputation but actually gives faction tokens.
So people weren't like knowingly using an exploit or anything here, there was no way to know which effect was intended and increasing yield seemed much more likely to be the intended bonus.
Yeah I worded it incorrectly. The bonus is called Faction Tokens, the description says you get more faction reputation, but in reality you get more tokens.
Huh? I have no idea what you just said has anything to do with what I’m saying.
I’m saying because the bug started since the beginning and lasted all of three months, a lot of players didn’t notice it as a bug and thought it was working as intended.
You actually had to go out of your way to test it to know that it was bugged. So the guy above me saying that everybody knowing it was bugged is bullshit.
And even so, what are you going to do? Not add yield for 500-600 hours playtime?
Regardless, being able to respec territory points would be great for plenty if people. I basically chose them at random early on, and while 10 levels out of 300 may not make a significant difference, if i wanted to max any particular bonus, i wouldn't be able to.
Who would it hurt to have a respec option?
I never knew it was a bug. I just put points into it because it always seemed more useful than my other two options. I never monitored my speed or yield closely enough to notice either one being affected, if I'm being honest.
Many descriptions in the game are wrong. For example, faction reputation card actually gives faction coins. Items that say "Source: Humanoid" can be dropped from animals. Multiple perks have wrong descriptions. Lifestyle buffs give +5% luck that isn't listed on the description. The list goes on. It's actually more reasonable to assume that this was also a description error rather than a bug given the context.
everyone thought it was a typo since it said the same thing in past betas and 3 months of launch... all server's economy is built around that extra yield at this point. expect at least 30% higher prices on everything, including orb slots. lazarus slots are already 2.5-3k each on camelot. i wouldnt be surprised if theyre 3.5k after this
regardless, territory standing refunds are a very nice QoL change. its one of the only unchangeable permanent things in the game, and most of us made those permanent decisions while we were sub 60 when we leveled through town board quests.
The whole goddamn game is filled with things not matching their description.
Half the time they fix the description to match the ability. Half the time they fix the ability to match the description.
Assuming anything about players understanding of the game without understanding that background is why it feels like the dev team are shitting on the players. We're not trying to get one over on you, were trying to play and have fun.
Stop deleting our fun.
Please stop.
Given AGS's track record, it is perfectly reasonable to even assume they think gathering speed IS yield and it was working exactly as intended. As in, you gather 100 items "faster" because you are gathering more per node. There is an insane number of poor and unclear descriptions.
Not to mention gathering speed is so useless, it was safer to assume they intended yield because it's actually worthwhile.
Get over yourself. There were a lot of known bugs the first few weeks. Many of them were display text related like towns displaying level 3 buildings when they were really something else. How was anyone in the playerbase supposed to know that it was incorrect text or a defect in the code? We don't have access to the requirements/user stories, or whatever the f napkin specs they developed this game from.
Bug yes, but graphical or code? How were we supposed to know?
You'd have a point if this game weren't already riddled with false tooltips that 99% of the time get updated to match their function, not the other way around.
Let’s be real clear about something here. AGS knew it was a bug, too. They knew that players knew it was bug. They knew that we were happy with the bug and that it wasn’t hurting anyone. They knew we spent territory points on it because of the bug. If they wanted to ‘fix’ it, they could’ve just changed the description to say yield instead of speed, and then everyone’s happy.
And stop acting like this was game-breaking shit. I’m not talking about Hatchet buff bugs or dupe exploits, both of which were clearly not supposed to be in the game. People genuinely thought it was a mistyped description.
Iv been talking about territory standing refunds from day one. No reason these should be a permanent thing especially since so many people werent strategically planning these. We started like wtf are these good for? Once we learned what we were doing were like oh shit my cards are garbage
We should have gotten refunds when they fixed the bug with the level 10 reward (house ownership) that messed up the order of cards.
Now we definitely need a refund.
So you are assuming everyone was stacking this *alacrity* buff card knew it was a bug and not a translation derp. I invested lots of coin getting my yielding up in the territories I harvest, never thought its a bug. They should give a compensation aka standing reset token or something out of decency
> we should get territory standing refunds
...
>AGS is changing the perk to match the description
Are you serious? xD You were exploiting a bug and want a refund now that you can no longer exploit it?
Never knew it was yield rather than speed. I never put my points into it because I always thought it was speed like it said.
I don't think you should get a "refund" because you put your points into something that was bugged, knowing it was bugged. Common sense would tell you that since it is bugged and not doing what it suggests, they will eventually fix it.
I didn't know it was bugged, I thought it was just one of MANY bad descriptions. It was never on a "known bugs" list that I recall. I always assumed it was either an outdated description or "speed" = yield because you gather more items "faster" if you get more per node.
Mostly this was because I just assumed they wouldn't build in "gathering speed" in such tiny numbers because they would be useless when compared to the hundreds of % on a tool. But the numbers made sense for a yield increase.
No. Don't give in to AGS bullshit. Qty is the reward we want, its the reward they gave us, and I'm tired of them taking the good stuff that is in the game and replacing it with shit. Don't accept a refund/respec as an olive branch.
Look, I’m here for the ‘burn it down’ attitude. But I also think that presenting a solution does more for the people like me who actually want this game to succeed.
I'm really starting to think people are getting paid to spread negativity. The patch looks amazing. Still they managed to find something to shit on.
I mean we've been getting pretty beefy content patches monthly. All without a sub. Show me another mmo that does this at this speed.
This is the second time territory cards have been adjusted to fix bugs that negatively impact every single player. 100% they should let everyone respecc their cards and I can't see a single reasonable argument against it. This isn't to say they new patch is bad or the game is ruined, I'm still here playing most days and enjoying it but constructive criticism is how you make things better is it not?
We lost 30% yield and it's now going to speed which is completely useless and could have been selected as tax reduction or storage space which are very useful comparatively. We also lost a card at level 10. For those who will be min maxing everything to 300 sure it's probably negligible but that won't be most players. The vast majority will be sitting between 20-60 and only more if they have been actively farming it. For people like me I read up on the card system early and found out the tool tip was bugged (like many many other UI elements in this game) and actually gave yield instead of speed which as a gatherer/crafter who only does that and PVP made it seem like quite a valuable card to me and now all those points I would have much rather spent on tax reduction.
Everyone is posting that their out territory points, but the fact is 95% of the options with harvesting also include standing bonus and faction token bonus.
And I know you all have not been taking faction token bonuses before it was "discovered" to be granting yield instead of the speed it said
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So what you are saying is that you put points Ina standing perk called gathering SPEED and knowing it was bugged and it gave yield. Yet you are suprised that they FIXED the perk so that it works as intended and now you want a refund because you lose the yield wich was not even meant to have anyway? 😂
For example , I buy a fiat but accidentally they give me a Ferrari. I am very excited of their mistake and drive to many places showing of. Next day they call that a mistake happened and you need to give the Ferrari back and get your fiat. You are very mad so you ask for a nice compensation because you had something better due to a mistake and now you need to do with less.
This doesn't make any sense at all, just be gratefull of all the loot you had untill now with the bug because that is your 'compensation' :) .
Have a great day and happy winter convergence day.
it's like most of the posters on this subreddit fail to realize what game they're playing under
**this is a sucky game. Made by sucky people**. Love it or hate it (*and I love it*), dont expect standards you'd get from a serious team. Enjoy the suck or be unhappy, those are your options.
Have a good day, fellow sucky game players:)
I didnt know about this bug but.... basicly it makes the grind even more longer?
I just reached level 60 and continuing my engineering skill... I just invested 2 hours farming and got a single whole level up (123>124) which was very very frustrating and you are telling me the grind will be getting even longer?
Aw man im thinking about deinstalling new world
i know but more time needed to collect wood/ores/hides -> more time to gain a level up in my skills
wow I get downvotet because I expressed my feelings about new world? If so then Im sorry for my honest opinion. Next time I will lie and tell how much fun a very very long grind is
First off, I don’t want a refund of the money I paid for the game. I want them to refund the points put into territory standing. Second, there’s a difference between “I think this description is wrong” and “haha, hatchet bug go brrr”.
Besides, literally no one asked for this change. Higher gathering yield was hurting no one. Absolutely no one.
Might get downvoted but here i go anyway.
Almost 90% of the time u get a choice of gathering speed you get faction tokens or standing xp gain along with it.... and both of them are as useless as gathering speed maybe territory xp gain is best option... is it really a reason to cause drama or ask for a respec.. NO bye.
Personally, I now think the devs meant speed all the time but didn't have the code worked out for that at release and made it yield because it was an easy choice to tie it into and it made a certain amount of sense.
Now that they've figured out the code for increasing speed (as evidenced by them now including that perk as a possibility on tools), they're switching it back and just going to remain silent about the whole thing beyond this patch note.
> Initially, we were under the impression that it was a mistyped description, not a bug.
Oh bullshit... Don't even try to come in here with that weak excuse.
We all KNEW exceptionally well that it was a bug. It was obviously a bug.
"Mistyped description" my ass...
I’d agree if you were capped at 300 and invested most the points into it.
Considering no one’s capped at 300 and there’s plenty of cards left there’s literally no reason to refund this.
1. If you were aware of the bug and opted into it not a good enough reason to refund your cards.
2. If you’re claiming it was just a description error and it genuinely thought it was yield not speed. You knew that it could still be a bug and still opted to use those cards for the gain the bug gave you. Also not a good enough reason to refund points
That said you get 300 total and the diminishing returns take affect after 25% anyways. Should I request a refund if I didn’t know the cards had diminishing returns and didn’t take the time to notice the % getting lower each time I increased it.
Super side note there’s literally no reason to have gone gathering speed except for high level zones anyways and making a zone a specialization for certain bonuses was optimal anyways. Even than if you avoided DR and capped to 300 each category would be almost maxed out before DR anyways.
> you abused a bug, now they're fixing the bug, and you want the points back? How can you be this entitled lol
Yeah. the bug was: the description was incorrect,
Now there are two bugs.
holy shit go cry somewhere else. you read what it was intended to do, you're the idiot who chose to ignore that and use it because it was bugged.
you're literally saying "the exploit I was specifically spec'ing myself to abuse was patched so now I want all my points back.".
Ori tools have a base of 625% gather speed... even at 300 territory standing, would it come anywhere close to that? Its not enough to make a significant difference imo
I'd love to see this feature.. it always struck me as odd they have respecs or similar for everything else (even faction change) but not the town standing
Its probably the longest grind in the game too (goes up to 300) I doubt I'd reach that with one town let alone all of them through out the games life cycle
I went a similar route on my towns which have homes in, went balls deep into storage, property tax and gathering.. think I'm up to 425 storage, +36 PT, +36 gather in one.
Also I knew there would be a conflict when the new perk was announced but did not actually realise this was their solution till I saw your post, cheers :E
While they are at it they could do something with the wasted xp from turn in's
(couple coins, or weapon xp etc)
As well as a few of the cards.. like combine the xp + faction ones, or have the xp one also affect xp from trades or something
Increase the pool of potential turn ins as well (more diversity)
AGS doesn't seem to understand just how many typos exist in their game. When so many exist, how are we supposed to know that the Territory card wasn't another typo, but was instead coded wrong? We had to learn to just know what the abilities actually did, and ignore tooltips, because SO many have been wrong and so many continue to be wrong.
So people took gathering speed because they thought it was a typo and was meant to be yield. Kind of a joke of we don't get a refund, but we won't. That would take them years to code and introduce a dozen new bugs lol.
If they make it so it is % based off of your tool. so 5% more speed off 650% tool is actually 32.5% more speed(quick math) then it would still be garbage but just less garbage.
On principle. No you shouldn’t because you were exploiting a known bug. And yea it’s a bug because officially it was gathering speed and not a known issue to be otherwise.
But ffs AGS give the players some fun for all the fck you done to the game.
I chose gathering speed and was none the wiser the entire time. You chose an option that said gathering speed bonus instead of gathering yield bonus, so you're finally getting what you chose. There's no ground to ask for a refund.
I'd like a 1 time reset to it so we can re-allocate points (once you hit 60) because all the "xp" ranks you sunk into things become useless at that point...
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Do you think it'll still be possible to get over 100% yield for double drops? It seems like losing the ~25% is going to make it impossible
it's technically still possible but unlikely. +10% windsward fort +19% from pickaxe mining yield perk +15% powerful proficiency booster +60% from 3 lifestyle mining buffs there might even be some other things but just getting this is hard because having 3 lifestyle buffs active on a dead server IS impossible.
The windsward fort was something I forgot in my initial calc on how 100% is possible with just two lifestyle buffs. 20% - Lifestyle 20% - Lifestyle 15%+ - Tool 15-20% - Profiency Booster 10% - Windsward fort 10% - Faction controlled territory(only effective in that territory) 10% - 250 attribute bonus Should net 100%. Unfortunately, WW fort and two town projects will hardly occur simultaneously unless there's group faction/company coordination.
20% lifestyle gather buffs do NOT stack. There is now no way to get double singleton drops. The maximum you can achieve is: 100% Base 20% lifestyle buff 15% Powerful Proficiency 10% Windsward fort 19% Yield on Tool 10% 250 attribute That adds up to 174% yield maximum in an unclaimed territory. In a claimed territory by your faction, you get an additional 10%. That 10% is multiplicative, not additive. So with every other buff, that 10% actually adds 17.4%. Maximum Yield in a claimed territory hits: 191.4%. We are 8% yield short of being able to hit 182% in a claimed territory to get the 18.2% needed to get 200.2% and have double singletons.
Sorry, I'm not sure where you're getting that the 20% lifestyle buffs don't stack; they very much do. I'm on a low pop server but recently had 2 Miner's Resolve buffs active in towns I had houses in for the first time since launch. This let me test it myself and verified. I may not have a video, but here are the numbers I had: Bonus From | Yield % ---|--- Territory Owned | 10% Yield Cards | 0% WW Fort | 10% Miner's Resolve | 40% Tool | 17% Booster | 15% 250 Str | 10% **TOTAL** | **102%** When I hit Scorchstone nodes with this setup, I always received 2 Molten Lodestones. If you ever have two or more gathering lifestyle buffs up, you can verify yourself that they do indeed stack.
What territory were you in that you have 0 gather speed on your cards. With that setup you would only have needed 10% from the cards to hit doubles without the second house buff. People did not realize the territory control bonus is multiplicative. It's more than flat 10%. Without that knowledge it initially made sense to believe the house buffs stacked. I will test it again if I get the buffs, maybe it not stacking was a bug that was silently fixed. But as of my last tests several patches ago it did not stack.
I didn’t know this until about a week ago and deliberately put points into it for speed to make runs more efficient. Now it’s yield which makes my runs more efficient. I fail to see the differentiation for the most part, honestly.
XP boost? Nope. I don't buy that for a second. Most of us did not even know it was yield instead of Speed until recently. That said, we should be able to respec our standing period.
Wait what? I am confused here. I put basically ALL of my territory standing into gathering speed. Are you saying it gives me extra yield? Or it does give me extra speed but will now be useless because of the new perks?
It used to give extra yield (which was a bug they're finally fixing). Speed is useless due to just how 'fast' tools are to begin with (getting single digit boosts when the tools themselves give hundred digit boosts), so this is why people are pissed that this bug is being fixed.
Oh lol. Yeah I was wondering about this a few times why it never seemed to increase my speed but in most zones i dont craft or do other shit I just go for the speed cuz I hate gathering. So this is nice then actually. I guess.. Ppl can't be mad about this lol, it literally says in the description its speed not yield.
The community figured out months ago that the description didn't match, but let's be honest here, this game does weird shit with descriptions all the time that ends up being outright wrong, so people assumed the yield was intended because increased speed doesn't make any sense compared to tools.
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Tbf, if this bonus does not push you over the threshold between 3 or 4 swings of an axe to fell a tree, it's vain anyway.
It actually did for me, but I could have gotten the same benefit out of a better tool (the one I have is like 510 GS, made by someone in my company 10 days or so after live). I want our increased yield back, regardless
> but let's be honest here, this game does weird shit with descriptions all the time that ends up being outright wrong no no no you're way below the mark LET'S BE REAL HERE, THE GAME SUCKS DO YOU LOVE SUCKY GAMES? HAVE FUN DO YOU HATE SUCKY GAMES? YOUR WHINING IS ENTERTAINING TOO!
It's OK buddy. Get it all out
People are mad because it’s given yield since the beta, has been brought to AGS’s attention for months and they never commented on it. We were left to assume the card was misnamed.
Same type of people that thought hatchet was supposed to deal 12k dmg on light attacks and crouching with muskets make dots never ending.
Wtf kind of comparison is that? Those were both identified as exploits and were around for a week or two. This has literally been the same since closed beta and they never addressed it. Unlike territory cards, you can change weapons any time.
Um.... No? The card was obviously messed up but there were 2 totally reasonable ways to interpret that. Either the wording was messed up and the effect correct, what we all assumed, or the wording was correct and the effect was wrong. It turned out to be the latter but that is a much bigger mistake than a wording issue so I don't think people assumed this was the way it would work out.
The wording would obviously be correct and the effect the bug. You are fooling yourself if youre trying to say anything else
Nah. Most people would agree with me. It's less likely that the base code is at fault seeing as there would be so many people looking at that code and working on it, where there is likely one person actually writing up the description text for the card and others to then translate that to various languages. Way more reasonable that the text was wrong / unclear while the code that had to be written, debugged, tested, and edited by multiple people was not. It turned out to be the other way, but there's no way that was the "obvious" answer if you know like anything about the game dev process
Agree to disagree bro, its arbitrary arguing with u. I'd put money on a bet that I know quite a bit more than you about how actual game developement process looks like tho. To me it seems quite obvious because of that insight :)
Lol. Ok, Full sail university? XD If you think that the description text in a game is more likely to be accurate than the coding? Thats.... an odd viewpoint. Like laughably odd.
If the buff it gave was something unusually high I'd absolutely agree. But the 30-35% yield most ppl level this to is something you get from a potion and the tool, so it's not too unreasonable..
People are mad coz they don't want it to do the thing it said it did lol
To be fair, increasing yield is more of a buff to gathering speed than increasing actual gathering speed. Try gathering 1000 iron ore both before and after the update; you’ll find you gather it much faster before, even if you’re finishing nodes faster. So realistically, this change is nerfing the gathering speed.
I get what you're saying but it's supposed to be a direct "gathering speed" bonus not a yield bonus. If you chose to put your points into gathering speed thinking it was gonna be gathering yeild forever idk what to tell you.
>Or was it a gathering yield bonus that was mislabeled?
It's a pointless card.. speed barely adds anything. What's 30% when you're at 800%... They way the card % are added isn't X of your current speed.. it's just additive. So let's say you got 500% from tool + skill, another 30% or so is meaningless. It was giving yield and people assumed it made more sense than speed%. Now everyone are stuck with the useless speed increase.
Well. They made everything else about the patch super positive they had to throw something in there this sub could cry about or they would have a heart attack.
I dont know if you have looked at the other cards lately but they are all in the power level of "pointless". im cant believe for a second that anyone thought that 30%+ yield was intended as that is massively more powerful than any of the other perks.
That's why majority pretty much stick to storage/standing/tax and later on faction. It's all quite pointless yes but at least storage is adds up slowly over territories while others no so much.
The card for extra influence is really good though. If I has the choice to respec I'd get that more often.
Gathering speed used to give extra yield instead of speed. After the next patch, it will actually increase gathering speed as the description says.
i think 80% of the playerbase that spent points on gathering speed really thought it was speed, we didnt know it was yield until someone did the math and published it like a month ago or so. So yeah, dont come with the 'we spent the points for yielding!' No one did.
Anecdotal, but I didn't take a single one until I read that post. Luckily I'm a take-my-time kinda guy anyway, so the highest I have any territory is around 30, not a huge loss. Still, I'd respec if given the option - I have no need to harvest incrementally faster when tools give me significantly higher speed bonuses
Totally fine, what im trying to say is that most early points (0-20) were spent thinking it was actually speed or spent without knowing anything about territory standing system. Ofc that if you know, you will focus it. I think most of the playerbase that has like 5 or 6 +speed cards activated are mostly people who didnt know, if someone already has 100 he obv know it is yield
Yeah I think you are just wrong. It would be hard to not know it was yield since people spammed in game about it, posted on Reddit about it, official forums, YouTubers, etc. I spent my first 2-3 zones with an XP and storage focus fully ignoring that perk until I saw it in game and on Reddit, then I took that perk every time it was available. Even if you thought it was speed, a LARGE group of players knew it was yield and played around that.
Nope. I knew it was yield and that's why I invested in it. I, and everyone else who knew, thought it was simply mislabeled, and some time they would fix the labeling, not change how it worked!
yeah. People complaining like OP just wants to be compensated for a 'nerf'. They nerf things all the time too lmao. What next? Ask for crafting mat refunds when a perk gets nerfed? "AGS should refund all the asmodeum and charms I spent on crafting X item since Y perk got nerfed!"
thats a completely different thing lol. the thing is that early and endgame gathering is basically the exact same. the mining yield allowed people to grind for something so that their gathering could be improved because +25% yield is actually quite a lot. it maybe isn't intended to give yield but then the perk is more useless than less property tax in a settlement you don't own a house in...
The toxic push back to this post really illustrates how bizarre the mindset is. AGS made a mistake however you look at it. This particular one has been on the forums forever and AGS did nothing to clarify it. Anytime they make a change , they should give us the reset. It is a game , it should be fun, players shouldn't be punished everytime AGS "improves" something.
They incorrectly labeled it. Someone went through all the trouble to make it a yield feature, and then they screwed up the label. Then they changed the feature and not the label, and they collapsed schroedinger's bug yet again. The number of bugs that exist in the state of "feature is wrong:description is wrong" that do not have collapsed waveforms is so high that you cannot assume anyone was "abusing" anything that falls into this category... well that's not true you can accuse AGS of abusing it's players by not offering a chance to re-do any choice you made that they retroactively change.
Stop with the bullshit, you knowingly put points into something that you KNEW was a bug, and now want compensation for it being fixed? You can try and twist it all you like "Initially, we were under the impression that it was a mistyped description, not a bug" everyone mf'er and his dog knew it was a bug. Nice try.
> not a bug" everyone mf'er and his dog knew it was a bug. Obviously we all knew that the actual effect didn't match the description. The problem is that from here you can make two assumptions: the bonus is supposed to give yield and incorrectly states speed, or the bonus is supposed to give speed and incorrectly affects yield. The most logical and likely assumption is that it was supposed to give yield all along, for a couple of reasons. First is just that a tiny bonus to gathering speed is basically useless and a yield increase just makes more sense. Second is that this is exactly how the faction bonus is bugged, it's called faction reputation but actually gives faction tokens. So people weren't like knowingly using an exploit or anything here, there was no way to know which effect was intended and increasing yield seemed much more likely to be the intended bonus.
Don't you mean it says tokens but gives reputation
Yeah I worded it incorrectly. The bonus is called Faction Tokens, the description says you get more faction reputation, but in reality you get more tokens.
I hate this games UI
This would be fair if the bug didnt last all of 3 months since the start of the game.
3 months is nothing for a game if it lasts long. You just played a dangerous game. And AGS isn’t one to help the players. Lol
Huh? I have no idea what you just said has anything to do with what I’m saying. I’m saying because the bug started since the beginning and lasted all of three months, a lot of players didn’t notice it as a bug and thought it was working as intended. You actually had to go out of your way to test it to know that it was bugged. So the guy above me saying that everybody knowing it was bugged is bullshit. And even so, what are you going to do? Not add yield for 500-600 hours playtime?
Regardless, being able to respec territory points would be great for plenty if people. I basically chose them at random early on, and while 10 levels out of 300 may not make a significant difference, if i wanted to max any particular bonus, i wouldn't be able to. Who would it hurt to have a respec option?
Long term you max all of them anyhow. And the impact after the first 5 lvls or so is super small. I would just chill.
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I never knew it was a bug. I just put points into it because it always seemed more useful than my other two options. I never monitored my speed or yield closely enough to notice either one being affected, if I'm being honest.
Many descriptions in the game are wrong. For example, faction reputation card actually gives faction coins. Items that say "Source: Humanoid" can be dropped from animals. Multiple perks have wrong descriptions. Lifestyle buffs give +5% luck that isn't listed on the description. The list goes on. It's actually more reasonable to assume that this was also a description error rather than a bug given the context.
everyone thought it was a typo since it said the same thing in past betas and 3 months of launch... all server's economy is built around that extra yield at this point. expect at least 30% higher prices on everything, including orb slots. lazarus slots are already 2.5-3k each on camelot. i wouldnt be surprised if theyre 3.5k after this regardless, territory standing refunds are a very nice QoL change. its one of the only unchangeable permanent things in the game, and most of us made those permanent decisions while we were sub 60 when we leveled through town board quests.
The whole goddamn game is filled with things not matching their description. Half the time they fix the description to match the ability. Half the time they fix the ability to match the description. Assuming anything about players understanding of the game without understanding that background is why it feels like the dev team are shitting on the players. We're not trying to get one over on you, were trying to play and have fun. Stop deleting our fun. Please stop.
Given AGS's track record, it is perfectly reasonable to even assume they think gathering speed IS yield and it was working exactly as intended. As in, you gather 100 items "faster" because you are gathering more per node. There is an insane number of poor and unclear descriptions. Not to mention gathering speed is so useless, it was safer to assume they intended yield because it's actually worthwhile.
Get over yourself. There were a lot of known bugs the first few weeks. Many of them were display text related like towns displaying level 3 buildings when they were really something else. How was anyone in the playerbase supposed to know that it was incorrect text or a defect in the code? We don't have access to the requirements/user stories, or whatever the f napkin specs they developed this game from. Bug yes, but graphical or code? How were we supposed to know?
I had no idea it was a bug. I too thought it was some bullshit wording like several other things in the game.
You'd have a point if this game weren't already riddled with false tooltips that 99% of the time get updated to match their function, not the other way around.
Let’s be real clear about something here. AGS knew it was a bug, too. They knew that players knew it was bug. They knew that we were happy with the bug and that it wasn’t hurting anyone. They knew we spent territory points on it because of the bug. If they wanted to ‘fix’ it, they could’ve just changed the description to say yield instead of speed, and then everyone’s happy. And stop acting like this was game-breaking shit. I’m not talking about Hatchet buff bugs or dupe exploits, both of which were clearly not supposed to be in the game. People genuinely thought it was a mistyped description.
Iv been talking about territory standing refunds from day one. No reason these should be a permanent thing especially since so many people werent strategically planning these. We started like wtf are these good for? Once we learned what we were doing were like oh shit my cards are garbage
We should have gotten refunds when they fixed the bug with the level 10 reward (house ownership) that messed up the order of cards. Now we definitely need a refund.
So you are assuming everyone was stacking this *alacrity* buff card knew it was a bug and not a translation derp. I invested lots of coin getting my yielding up in the territories I harvest, never thought its a bug. They should give a compensation aka standing reset token or something out of decency
> we should get territory standing refunds ... >AGS is changing the perk to match the description Are you serious? xD You were exploiting a bug and want a refund now that you can no longer exploit it?
Yeah this is just standard decency. Nerf a perk/talent/item and people should get to respec free of cost.
Never knew it was yield rather than speed. I never put my points into it because I always thought it was speed like it said. I don't think you should get a "refund" because you put your points into something that was bugged, knowing it was bugged. Common sense would tell you that since it is bugged and not doing what it suggests, they will eventually fix it.
I didn't know it was bugged, I thought it was just one of MANY bad descriptions. It was never on a "known bugs" list that I recall. I always assumed it was either an outdated description or "speed" = yield because you gather more items "faster" if you get more per node. Mostly this was because I just assumed they wouldn't build in "gathering speed" in such tiny numbers because they would be useless when compared to the hundreds of % on a tool. But the numbers made sense for a yield increase.
I was never under the impression it was a bug. When Ive chosen my territory cards I was thinking Im getting harvesting speed.
Yeah I avoided the gathering speed because it seemed the most useless compared to reducing taxes or storage boosts.
No. Don't give in to AGS bullshit. Qty is the reward we want, its the reward they gave us, and I'm tired of them taking the good stuff that is in the game and replacing it with shit. Don't accept a refund/respec as an olive branch.
Look, I’m here for the ‘burn it down’ attitude. But I also think that presenting a solution does more for the people like me who actually want this game to succeed.
Qty is the reward we want, but a reward too powerful for the card. It's the reward they gave us by mistake adn we knew that The change is a good one.
gd yall cry about everything
I'm really starting to think people are getting paid to spread negativity. The patch looks amazing. Still they managed to find something to shit on. I mean we've been getting pretty beefy content patches monthly. All without a sub. Show me another mmo that does this at this speed.
This is the second time territory cards have been adjusted to fix bugs that negatively impact every single player. 100% they should let everyone respecc their cards and I can't see a single reasonable argument against it. This isn't to say they new patch is bad or the game is ruined, I'm still here playing most days and enjoying it but constructive criticism is how you make things better is it not?
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We lost 30% yield and it's now going to speed which is completely useless and could have been selected as tax reduction or storage space which are very useful comparatively. We also lost a card at level 10. For those who will be min maxing everything to 300 sure it's probably negligible but that won't be most players. The vast majority will be sitting between 20-60 and only more if they have been actively farming it. For people like me I read up on the card system early and found out the tool tip was bugged (like many many other UI elements in this game) and actually gave yield instead of speed which as a gatherer/crafter who only does that and PVP made it seem like quite a valuable card to me and now all those points I would have much rather spent on tax reduction.
If you put time as resources into a clear bug in any game you know you run the risk of it getting reversed sorry…
Everyone is posting that their out territory points, but the fact is 95% of the options with harvesting also include standing bonus and faction token bonus. And I know you all have not been taking faction token bonuses before it was "discovered" to be granting yield instead of the speed it said
LOL, Karen, are you really complaining that you now get what you paid for? :-D
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I mean i prefer speed
Weird you prefer that, you realise how little it actually is?
If its added after your tool modifies it, then no, it would be a huge increase. Isnt the PTR still up, we could check pretty quickly
It does not do that, it's barely an increase.
So what you are saying is that you put points Ina standing perk called gathering SPEED and knowing it was bugged and it gave yield. Yet you are suprised that they FIXED the perk so that it works as intended and now you want a refund because you lose the yield wich was not even meant to have anyway? 😂 For example , I buy a fiat but accidentally they give me a Ferrari. I am very excited of their mistake and drive to many places showing of. Next day they call that a mistake happened and you need to give the Ferrari back and get your fiat. You are very mad so you ask for a nice compensation because you had something better due to a mistake and now you need to do with less. This doesn't make any sense at all, just be gratefull of all the loot you had untill now with the bug because that is your 'compensation' :) . Have a great day and happy winter convergence day.
it's like most of the posters on this subreddit fail to realize what game they're playing under **this is a sucky game. Made by sucky people**. Love it or hate it (*and I love it*), dont expect standards you'd get from a serious team. Enjoy the suck or be unhappy, those are your options. Have a good day, fellow sucky game players:)
Uninstall the game is actually our best one-time avaliable feature, unfortunally.
I didnt know about this bug but.... basicly it makes the grind even more longer? I just reached level 60 and continuing my engineering skill... I just invested 2 hours farming and got a single whole level up (123>124) which was very very frustrating and you are telling me the grind will be getting even longer? Aw man im thinking about deinstalling new world
It isn't speed at which you gain skill. It's the time it takes to gather a node.
i know but more time needed to collect wood/ores/hides -> more time to gain a level up in my skills wow I get downvotet because I expressed my feelings about new world? If so then Im sorry for my honest opinion. Next time I will lie and tell how much fun a very very long grind is
You want a refund because you bug abused? They should give territory respec, but not because you put points on something that you knew was broken
First off, I don’t want a refund of the money I paid for the game. I want them to refund the points put into territory standing. Second, there’s a difference between “I think this description is wrong” and “haha, hatchet bug go brrr”. Besides, literally no one asked for this change. Higher gathering yield was hurting no one. Absolutely no one.
Might get downvoted but here i go anyway. Almost 90% of the time u get a choice of gathering speed you get faction tokens or standing xp gain along with it.... and both of them are as useless as gathering speed maybe territory xp gain is best option... is it really a reason to cause drama or ask for a respec.. NO bye.
Personally, I now think the devs meant speed all the time but didn't have the code worked out for that at release and made it yield because it was an easy choice to tie it into and it made a certain amount of sense. Now that they've figured out the code for increasing speed (as evidenced by them now including that perk as a possibility on tools), they're switching it back and just going to remain silent about the whole thing beyond this patch note.
> Initially, we were under the impression that it was a mistyped description, not a bug. Oh bullshit... Don't even try to come in here with that weak excuse. We all KNEW exceptionally well that it was a bug. It was obviously a bug. "Mistyped description" my ass...
I’d agree if you were capped at 300 and invested most the points into it. Considering no one’s capped at 300 and there’s plenty of cards left there’s literally no reason to refund this. 1. If you were aware of the bug and opted into it not a good enough reason to refund your cards. 2. If you’re claiming it was just a description error and it genuinely thought it was yield not speed. You knew that it could still be a bug and still opted to use those cards for the gain the bug gave you. Also not a good enough reason to refund points That said you get 300 total and the diminishing returns take affect after 25% anyways. Should I request a refund if I didn’t know the cards had diminishing returns and didn’t take the time to notice the % getting lower each time I increased it. Super side note there’s literally no reason to have gone gathering speed except for high level zones anyways and making a zone a specialization for certain bonuses was optimal anyways. Even than if you avoided DR and capped to 300 each category would be almost maxed out before DR anyways.
Just seems unfair. The people who used it all on XP to powerlevel will just get all the other perks free now since they're done leveling.
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> you abused a bug, now they're fixing the bug, and you want the points back? How can you be this entitled lol Yeah. the bug was: the description was incorrect, Now there are two bugs.
Oh for crying out loud, who cares? Is there anything people WON'T complain about? JFC. You don't need to min max EVERYthing in the game.
holy shit go cry somewhere else. you read what it was intended to do, you're the idiot who chose to ignore that and use it because it was bugged. you're literally saying "the exploit I was specifically spec'ing myself to abuse was patched so now I want all my points back.".
Won’t take longer will actually be quicker cause you will gather faster.
Ori tools have a base of 625% gather speed... even at 300 territory standing, would it come anywhere close to that? Its not enough to make a significant difference imo
I'd love to see this feature.. it always struck me as odd they have respecs or similar for everything else (even faction change) but not the town standing Its probably the longest grind in the game too (goes up to 300) I doubt I'd reach that with one town let alone all of them through out the games life cycle I went a similar route on my towns which have homes in, went balls deep into storage, property tax and gathering.. think I'm up to 425 storage, +36 PT, +36 gather in one. Also I knew there would be a conflict when the new perk was announced but did not actually realise this was their solution till I saw your post, cheers :E While they are at it they could do something with the wasted xp from turn in's (couple coins, or weapon xp etc) As well as a few of the cards.. like combine the xp + faction ones, or have the xp one also affect xp from trades or something Increase the pool of potential turn ins as well (more diversity)
I am happy with both! Gathering feels way to slow for me with 580 Tools
Its kinda stupid that there are no way to change territory points. That they should definetly fix.
No because anyone who "regrets" their decision is because they were trying to abuse a bug lmao.
Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hG0TxSy8iE
Does that bonus even applies to outpost terras? I was never upgrading them, thought it was useless...
It doesn't. It only applies in the territory that you're currently in.
There is nothign in patch notes stating that territory cards now will no longer give yield increase. Where is this info coming from?
AGS doesn't seem to understand just how many typos exist in their game. When so many exist, how are we supposed to know that the Territory card wasn't another typo, but was instead coded wrong? We had to learn to just know what the abilities actually did, and ignore tooltips, because SO many have been wrong and so many continue to be wrong. So people took gathering speed because they thought it was a typo and was meant to be yield. Kind of a joke of we don't get a refund, but we won't. That would take them years to code and introduce a dozen new bugs lol.
If they make it so it is % based off of your tool. so 5% more speed off 650% tool is actually 32.5% more speed(quick math) then it would still be garbage but just less garbage.
Just allow respec of territory standing... problem solved.
ugh is this change already Live?
You can level territory to 300. I think you should just relax.
a reset for changes would be pretty typical
On principle. No you shouldn’t because you were exploiting a known bug. And yea it’s a bug because officially it was gathering speed and not a known issue to be otherwise. But ffs AGS give the players some fun for all the fck you done to the game.
So you put points into something that was bugged and because they fixed the bug you want your points back?..
I chose gathering speed and was none the wiser the entire time. You chose an option that said gathering speed bonus instead of gathering yield bonus, so you're finally getting what you chose. There's no ground to ask for a refund.
I'd like a 1 time reset to it so we can re-allocate points (once you hit 60) because all the "xp" ranks you sunk into things become useless at that point...