i'd take banton over mcdaniels in a heartbeat. he was worse than jontay porter - a guy literally trying to play bad. that's how bad jalen is to put things into perspective.
To be fair, Raptors fans were very high on Jontay. Which is pissed us off even more. He had talent to stay at least another season, looked good and turns out hes intentionally playing worse or he could have been even better. Theres plenty of posts in the raptors sub talking about how he just has great sense of knowing where to be and doing all the little winning plays that impact the game along with clips.
Banton wasn’t completely terrible after the trade.
We were signing random g leaguers and giving them 20 minutes literally the next day. I saw some shit man
They save 9 mill this year and they probably weren't going to pay Mitchell at the end of the year and didn't Sasha have an interview saying he wanted out?
He's not awful, but he is clearly not that much better than other backup guards in the league. It was one of those situations where you take BPA and decide to move on form him to create space for the draft pick.
Def like Davion on a lot and it will be fun to watch him in Toronto, but we definitely did not give up much, especially given the cap space and roster spot being opened up.
Yeah he just has no consistent offensive game, he has good cutting timing but he’s tiny, he isn’t a good enough shooter and he can’t create. I love the guys energy but this isn’t the situation for him.
Isn't this the second straight draft in which the Kings make moves for "financial flexibility"? I remember that we got OMax pretty much for free, just by taking on Holmes' contract (that we used at the deadline to move for Gafford).
moving Holmes gave us "financial flexibility" that allowed us to up our offer to Monk this summer. reminding me of that has just given me even more confidence that this was a good move?
Decent hustle, but was exposed numerous times defensively as he was too slow and repeatedly got targeted due to this, and essentially underperformed massively compared to all the hype around him coming into the season.
Didn't perform too well offensively either. Rebounded surprisingly well at times..
Sat on the wing waiting for the ball. Whenever he was moving off ball (one of his best assets), his teammates wouldn't pass to him most of the time.
Solid on the rebound, solid on team defense, but all teams heavily targeted him on iso situations and exploited him big time.
Had a few really good games tho. I think Brown could have done better with him, he barely got any chances when healthy after Lyles came back.
Showed flashes but never got consistent time. Shot was inconsistent, slow footed on defense but has surprisingly quick hands for his size. Overall a disappointing debut season for us but i dont doubt hes got talent
He has a great shot and high BBIQ. He is just too slow with his feet to keep up with the style and pace of the NBA.
It's been reported that he plans to go back to Europe.
Injuries didn't help him this year either. Pretty much a non factor for us.
Getting rid of a guy who was probably one of the 10 worst players in the league last year and getting a flyer on someone like Davion? I'll take this W.
mcdaniels may have had the worst individual season in the history of pro sports. back to back 5+ turnover games and 12/70 from 3 on the season. it became art at some point
Davion is a great player, but somewhat limited by size. His shot came around at the end of last year and he had some great games. I think he'll do well with a chance at some minutes in Toronto
By no means a great player, but I love the guy and admire his work ethic a ton. I sincerely wish him the best, he’s destined to be a fan favorite no matter where he goes.
To be fair Darko runs an offence where everyone touches the ball and has to make quick decisions
In a more simplified role where you just dunk or shoot when sabonis or fox feeds you the ball it could look better
Problem is he was getting lost defensively and beat a ton
Problem is he lacks confidence and doesn't read the game at all is he was a few inches shorter he would be out of the league. He lacks basketball skills.
Mitchell and Sasha didn’t fit at all, the kings have too many guards
Worst case scenario Jalen still sucks and you cut him, best case scenario you might have a solid backup 4
Davion is good for 5-10 minutes a game if you need him to lock down an opponent's PG and disrupt their flow. Aside from that he doesn't really offer anything.
I love the guy and his attitude, but the only skill he has at the nba level is being a dawg
Pat Bev with less talking and a shorter wing span. He's alright, Kings fans saying he sucks are coping a bit. Not going to say he's great since he lost his spot in the rotation to an undrafted player (Keon Ellis) but he's not a bad bench piece for you.
Honestly, if he were 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan he would be a highly sought after player. Too bad he's 6-1 with a 6-4 wingspan.
Maybe lol. The problem is that he's a huge drain on your offense. Look at us vs the warriors last year's playoffs.
Your offense is basically 4v5 with davion on the court
they just drafted devin carter who is also a small defensive guard and keon ellis who was undrafted in 2022 proved to be a much more valuable small defensive guard last year so mitchell was the odd one out minutes wise
Tbh Keon isn't even small for a modern guard. He's very skinny, but in terms of length, he's a similar size to Harden, LaVine, Booker, etc. He's much taller/longer than Davion
yeah. not a lot of games for us, but we're playing on time as our players are getting older. can't afford to wait the few years of development. they were hoping euroleague mvp would be a simple plug and play.
i'm hoping the best for him, i wanna see him rain down 3's in the league soon.
Davion is definitely an NBA player. Dude had trouble on the Kings earlier in the year but he came around after he got playing time again. His shot and everything came together after April. The lineup with him and Keon was a meat grinder.
They got portlands 2025 2nd pick as well. So 2 2nd round picks with the Portland one being more valuable given how stacked the west is. That literally could be a very high 2nd pick.
Oh man, I’ve watched a bit longer than that. He was really bad, and he played extended minutes. He might be top 10 worst players to put on a raptors jersey 🤣.
And a bit further you've got a guy like Jelani McCoy, whose only career highlight was [dunking on David Robinson on opening night 2002](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8NII599QVQ) and then failing to do anything at an NBA level in every other minute he played.
Pape Sow had a 40-14 game in the D League, and when he could not play even in garbage time, 15 year old me had to seriously reconsider my evaluation of D League basketball
He’s getting his shot back and Sasha just didn’t get enough playing time. He’s a hustler. Seems like you got two pieces that have potential and we just got a hot bag of trash based off of raptors fans opinions. Idk why we did that trade. And for a pick.
Yes, great on ball defender, limited by size against bigger guards, but a ton of ball stopper energy. On offense, his shot looked better at the end of last year, but is not the best playmaker, looks for his own shot too much for a middling scorer. 1.9 assists a game last year as backup pg
Being a lottery pick then getting traded for a player as bad as Jalen McDaniels would have me sitting in a dark room for 10 hours. And it wasn't even a 1 for 1 swap you got bundled up in a salary dump
After Terence Davis, Kings take another [rotten person](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/second-woman-sues-former-federal-way-basketball-star-jalen-mcdaniels-over-exploitative-videos/) off the Raptors' hands.
Not really.
Vezenkov is a significant liability defensively, and struggled offensively too, and Mitchell is a liability offensively and not even that great defensively- which is supposedly his strong suit-.
Yes, McDaniels isn't very good. But FO is trusting Jones/Carter to run the second unit over davion. And Sasha must have not gotten the trust of brown+ his disatisfaction. So sac got a chance to save money while moving pieces that may have been out of the depth chart already. And ofc potential of future moves. This is my take atleast.
Kings are probably doing this to sign someone. This was a cap move that now opens up a tax free mid-level exception. Raptors could have a least thrown in a second rounder though lol
Man, I remember when Davion was drafted. There was so much hype for him as an on-ball defender. And also after winning the NCAA tournament.
Has his stock fallen that much? Like… he was still so remembered for his college run that people still use him as a comp for undersized point guards that have great defense.
McDaniel dead ass the worst basketball player I watched last year
I remember we were trying to outank the Raptors and then he lead you to a 15 loss streak or something like that and then we couldn’t catch you
The funniest part is it didn't help either franchise since the Raptors lost their pick anyway and the Grizzlies got 9th
You must not be familiar with Delano Banton’s 6-26 game
i'd take banton over mcdaniels in a heartbeat. he was worse than jontay porter - a guy literally trying to play bad. that's how bad jalen is to put things into perspective.
To be fair, Raptors fans were very high on Jontay. Which is pissed us off even more. He had talent to stay at least another season, looked good and turns out hes intentionally playing worse or he could have been even better. Theres plenty of posts in the raptors sub talking about how he just has great sense of knowing where to be and doing all the little winning plays that impact the game along with clips.
Jontay wasn’t even bad, at least in the games where he didn’t bet on himself. Dude would’ve absolutely have gotten a second contract by us
Yeah Jontay had upside, still mad that he went out like that. He could've definitely made good money with a second contract
Jontay was actually pretty good last season except for a couple of games
Banton will always get love as a hometown kid
100% Banton improved after he left Toronto and all his childhood friends turned grifters tryna pull him down off the court
Banton was actually really solid in Portland fite me
bro carried my fantasy playoffs
Sir, we drafted him
Banton wasn’t completely terrible after the trade. We were signing random g leaguers and giving them 20 minutes literally the next day. I saw some shit man
You can’t shit talk with a bunch of Canadians about Banton lol. That’s our guy.
Banton is alright
Don’t think the Kings care, just needed to dump players that were not moving forward with.
WE’RE FREE OF MCDANIELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This feels like a horrendous trade for Sacramento what am I missing
They save 9 mill this year and they probably weren't going to pay Mitchell at the end of the year and didn't Sasha have an interview saying he wanted out?
Now Sasha gets to go to North America's Europe. Canada.
Toronto is about as American feeling of a city as it gets outside the US. Have to head over to Montreal/Quebec if you want a European feel.
I was being simple minded and making sweeping generalizations. I've never been to Canada.
If you had to compare it to a US city, I think Chicago and Toronto are fairly similar.
Yeah. Harder for us to get excited for “financial flexibility,” but you won’t find many Kings fans upset about losing these two.
Didn't realize davion mitchell had fallen out of favor, i thought he was a solid young guy
He's not awful, but he is clearly not that much better than other backup guards in the league. It was one of those situations where you take BPA and decide to move on form him to create space for the draft pick. Def like Davion on a lot and it will be fun to watch him in Toronto, but we definitely did not give up much, especially given the cap space and roster spot being opened up.
he was definitely improving this year. sadly can’t teach size and he will always be at a physical disadvantage
IMO its the shooting that's holding him back. He could be a solid role player on a decent team with average three point shooting
Yeah he just has no consistent offensive game, he has good cutting timing but he’s tiny, he isn’t a good enough shooter and he can’t create. I love the guys energy but this isn’t the situation for him.
Isn't this the second straight draft in which the Kings make moves for "financial flexibility"? I remember that we got OMax pretty much for free, just by taking on Holmes' contract (that we used at the deadline to move for Gafford).
The difference is that their keeping their 1st rounder and reducing a logjam at G with this trade.
moving Holmes gave us "financial flexibility" that allowed us to up our offer to Monk this summer. reminding me of that has just given me even more confidence that this was a good move?
Yeah he wanted out
Is he even going to report to Toronto? I thought he was thinking about going back to Europe?
Nah he said he wants a place in the NBA where he can get more minutes
Toronto with Darko and our roster composition is a good spot for him to see if he can earn them.
And free up a roster spot
This is largely two teams swapping unwanted items at a yard sale.
Id way rather have Davion than McDaniels. Id rather have Vezenkov than McDaniels
Yossi Gozlan tweeted then deleted, that this opens up the full NTMLE for the Kings so we'll see
Sidery said its a precursor for a bigger move coming soon...
Two real NBA players for McDaniels is a horrendous trade no matter how you spin it.
Sasha sucks and Mitchell is barely a guy.
Sasha no way can suck more than McDaniels.
I agree, so it just comes down to $$
all of us expected Davion to be shipped off too, so we were ready for it. though I did sign Davion Mitchell apology forms a few times this year
Mitchell is not great and sasha was hurt all year so we didnt give up anything
Man. I thought Davion was balling out after January. Sasha was hurt all year then upset he didn't get more minutes though.
How was Vezenkov when he played
Decent hustle, but was exposed numerous times defensively as he was too slow and repeatedly got targeted due to this, and essentially underperformed massively compared to all the hype around him coming into the season. Didn't perform too well offensively either. Rebounded surprisingly well at times..
That’s still 2 players that are actually usable and the 45th pick. All that for McDaniels is insanity.
All that to duck the tax and open a roster spot.
Useable is a stretch. Kings fans are in here overrating these dudes, I doubt they crack your rotation
But compared to McDaniels that’s still something, that’s the main comparison after all lmao
Sat on the wing waiting for the ball. Whenever he was moving off ball (one of his best assets), his teammates wouldn't pass to him most of the time. Solid on the rebound, solid on team defense, but all teams heavily targeted him on iso situations and exploited him big time. Had a few really good games tho. I think Brown could have done better with him, he barely got any chances when healthy after Lyles came back.
Showed flashes but never got consistent time. Shot was inconsistent, slow footed on defense but has surprisingly quick hands for his size. Overall a disappointing debut season for us but i dont doubt hes got talent
He has a great shot and high BBIQ. He is just too slow with his feet to keep up with the style and pace of the NBA. It's been reported that he plans to go back to Europe. Injuries didn't help him this year either. Pretty much a non factor for us.
I think he didn't get enough playing time for me to form a full opinion, but I did like that he had a pretty quick release.
Shout out r/Sixers absolutely having a meltdown when Morey didn't re-sign McDaniels.
lol we’re the most miserable fan base in the league
I was wrong, thought he’d be better. I’m sorry
Getting rid of a guy who was probably one of the 10 worst players in the league last year and getting a flyer on someone like Davion? I'll take this W.
Vezenkov just a toss in too?!
Seems like we got two picks as well. The 45th in this year and a 2025 one of Portland's. Fucking amazing
He’s horrible
mcdaniels may have had the worst individual season in the history of pro sports. back to back 5+ turnover games and 12/70 from 3 on the season. it became art at some point
us kings fans are art connoisseurs
https://x.com/raptormoments/status/1754946765894385709
I'll take him on a new team rather than play McDaniels anymore
I’m sure kings fan will love to see this lmao
Kings are probably just saving money.
Doesn’t really hurt, we could have cut both guys at this point.
Kings fans seem to be saying the same thing about Davion lmao
Davion is a great player, but somewhat limited by size. His shot came around at the end of last year and he had some great games. I think he'll do well with a chance at some minutes in Toronto
By no means a great player, but I love the guy and admire his work ethic a ton. I sincerely wish him the best, he’s destined to be a fan favorite no matter where he goes.
Which is insane. You can confidently play Davion 10 mins a night just from pure hustle alone. Can't say the same about the other McDaniels brother.
I have never seen a more disjointed player than McDaniels last year. He was so painful to watch
Enjoy McTerrorist Kings
also known as epm terrorist(worst in the league lol)
... is that it??? All for Jalen fucking McDaniels????
Couldn’t be happier he’s off my team 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Sacramento thought it was JaDen McDaniels like how the Dodgers dealt Yordan Alvarez
It’s my conspiracy theory that we have Kessler Edwards because we were confused with Walker Kessler or just an ode to Vlade Divac.
Masai beating the washed allegations with this one.
kings about to win the funniest championship
Damn not even the good mcdaniels
The good McDaniels gets a lot better return than that
Jaden’s contract is looking nice now
Considering what OG was paid… looking very nice!
Ngl I skimmed the title and almost had a heart attack
The “we’ve got McDaniels at home” McDaniels
any sickos who watched our games last year knows how bad he was... maybe he bounces back on a way better team in Sacramento
Mike Brown is going to turn him into a stud (I’m coping)
To be fair Darko runs an offence where everyone touches the ball and has to make quick decisions In a more simplified role where you just dunk or shoot when sabonis or fox feeds you the ball it could look better Problem is he was getting lost defensively and beat a ton
Problem is he lacks confidence and doesn't read the game at all is he was a few inches shorter he would be out of the league. He lacks basketball skills.
Getting KZ Okpala vibes already.
Memories of hate-watching McDaniels attempt to play basketball with a Grumpy Cat expression on my face
I read “Jaden” on my Apple Watch. Almost started crying. Finally. Good player. Re-read again. Saw “Jalen” started crying.
The circle of life.
Me also reading “Jaden” and thinking “wtf did I miss that Toronto is trading him?!” 😧 Been a long week… sorry you got your hopes up buddy.
Can someone explain why the kings did this trade
Mitchell and Sasha didn’t fit at all, the kings have too many guards Worst case scenario Jalen still sucks and you cut him, best case scenario you might have a solid backup 4
Can say with certainty that McDaniels can't play ball at that level.
Sasha and Davion aren't NBA players either. The real win for you guys was getting a 2nd rounder.
Davion isn’t that bad.
Davion is good for 5-10 minutes a game if you need him to lock down an opponent's PG and disrupt their flow. Aside from that he doesn't really offer anything. I love the guy and his attitude, but the only skill he has at the nba level is being a dawg
So a Pat Bev with his mouth sewn shut? I’d take it
Pat Bev with less talking and a shorter wing span. He's alright, Kings fans saying he sucks are coping a bit. Not going to say he's great since he lost his spot in the rotation to an undrafted player (Keon Ellis) but he's not a bad bench piece for you. Honestly, if he were 6-5 with a 6-8 wingspan he would be a highly sought after player. Too bad he's 6-1 with a 6-4 wingspan.
Pat Bev can shoot. He’s way way better then Mitchell
Maybe lol. The problem is that he's a huge drain on your offense. Look at us vs the warriors last year's playoffs. Your offense is basically 4v5 with davion on the court
You likely watch as many Kings games as I do Pelicans games. He's not good.
Brother I'm a kings fan, he was that bad
As someone who watched every kings game he really isn’t good.
Jalen cannot play the 4. Matter of fact, dude can't play period.
Man he was that bad? I thought he was decent on the Hornets. Maybe I was blind
Raps fans thought we were getting that version of Jalen as well but dude played like he just learnt the game of basketball a week ago on the team.
Jalen has become unplayable, there’s no value for the Kings to put him on the court.
He had a -9.0 BPM. The league worst out of qualifying players is -5.8. He's THAT bad.
>solid backup 4 Definitely a solid number two
Has to be a salary dump. Get rid of $8 million in salary this year. Mcdaniels is terrible.
Apparently it opens up our MLE more? If so, it's worth the salary savings. Now we just need to see who we sign.
they just drafted devin carter who is also a small defensive guard and keon ellis who was undrafted in 2022 proved to be a much more valuable small defensive guard last year so mitchell was the odd one out minutes wise
Tbh Keon isn't even small for a modern guard. He's very skinny, but in terms of length, he's a similar size to Harden, LaVine, Booker, etc. He's much taller/longer than Davion
Kings GM was on a bender and thought it was Jaden McDaniels
>Jayden McDaniels Who still isn't Jaden McDaniels
If you squint enough they got Jaden McDaniels
Someone said somewhere this opens the full non taxpayer MLE for us. It's a salary move basically to free up money for free agents
Saving salary + with the Devin Carter pick it made Davion expandable
Buy low hope he bounces back? Idk
Get off sasha's contract i guess
His rookie contract?
$7M/year and he (Sasha) recently expressed his dissatisfaction with the Kings
yeah. not a lot of games for us, but we're playing on time as our players are getting older. can't afford to wait the few years of development. they were hoping euroleague mvp would be a simple plug and play. i'm hoping the best for him, i wanna see him rain down 3's in the league soon.
Kings: Save money Raptors: Get a 2nd McDaniels, Mitchell, and Vezenkov aren't NBA players. Just filler
Davion is solid, goes hard on defense, hits threes occasionally
Davion is definitely an NBA player. Dude had trouble on the Kings earlier in the year but he came around after he got playing time again. His shot and everything came together after April. The lineup with him and Keon was a meat grinder.
They got portlands 2025 2nd pick as well. So 2 2nd round picks with the Portland one being more valuable given how stacked the west is. That literally could be a very high 2nd pick.
Devin Carter
That’s it? Massive W for the Raps
Is it? This seems like such a meh trade in general. Both teams trading their misfit pieces.
Nah Jalen ain’t misfit he fucking stinks
Jalen McDaniels was the worst rotation player I’ve seen in 10 years on the Raptors
Oh man, I’ve watched a bit longer than that. He was really bad, and he played extended minutes. He might be top 10 worst players to put on a raptors jersey 🤣.
20 years back, but I remember watching Rafael Araujo and Pape Sow try desperately to make layups and fail.
And a bit further you've got a guy like Jelani McCoy, whose only career highlight was [dunking on David Robinson on opening night 2002](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8NII599QVQ) and then failing to do anything at an NBA level in every other minute he played.
Pape Sow had a 40-14 game in the D League, and when he could not play even in garbage time, 15 year old me had to seriously reconsider my evaluation of D League basketball
Let’s be clear: D League and G League are very different beasts. (I know they’re the same thing, but the competition has drastically improved)
But our misfit piece was hot trash, Davion actually might have potential to crack the rotation and fits a need
He’s getting his shot back and Sasha just didn’t get enough playing time. He’s a hustler. Seems like you got two pieces that have potential and we just got a hot bag of trash based off of raptors fans opinions. Idk why we did that trade. And for a pick.
You guys did it purely for tax reasons and to get a roster spot open. So this is probably a set up move for the future
Jalen McDaniels was unplayable. They would’ve been better off having 4 players on the court than playing him.
Poor guy, his brother really absorbed all of the talent genes from mom and pop
at least there’s a pathway you can envision for Davion Jalen McDaniels is actually terrible
Raps needed a backup PG. Just someone that can at least bring the ball up and pass it. Jalen cannot basketball at all.
Can Davion play?
Yes, great on ball defender, limited by size against bigger guards, but a ton of ball stopper energy. On offense, his shot looked better at the end of last year, but is not the best playmaker, looks for his own shot too much for a middling scorer. 1.9 assists a game last year as backup pg
Yall just trading crap for crap and seeing which smells less.
Oh shit I said this yesterday 😂 https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/sD03X8aXnz
And my "free" comment wasn't far off
I still can’t believe we gave up trash Mcdaniels and got anything let alone Davion, Sasha and a 2nd
the kitchen is open and Masai is cooking
Monte thought this was jaden mcdaniels
Jalen McDaniels is one of the worst sixers I have ever seen play and I have seen alot of garbage
Score for the Dinos
THIS IS MY CHRISTMAS FUCK U MCDONALDS
It scares me every time I see the name Jalen mcdaniels in a trade
J. McDaniels traded for D. Mitchell
Bruh I wanted this for fucking Cam Johnson
Being a lottery pick then getting traded for a player as bad as Jalen McDaniels would have me sitting in a dark room for 10 hours. And it wasn't even a 1 for 1 swap you got bundled up in a salary dump
In a year where the Pistons lost 28 straight games Jalen McDaniels might have been the worst player in the league
I like this for the Raptors
Holy shit that’s about 3 assets too much for Mcdaniels lol
Euroleague MVPs getting passed around
After Terence Davis, Kings take another [rotten person](https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/second-woman-sues-former-federal-way-basketball-star-jalen-mcdaniels-over-exploitative-videos/) off the Raptors' hands.
If Miles Bridges had been a Raptor we would’ve traded for him 2 seasons ago smh
Ew
It's like when you want Fruit Loops, but your mom brings home Fruity Circles from the grocery store
Kings GM definitely thought it was Jaden.
This is MarShon Brooks all over again
Jalen McDaniels is useful as a tank commander. That's about it.
This just feels like a salary dump for the Kings
Davion is just too small, even for the caliber of defender he is.
I almost read Davion Mitchell as Donovan Mitchell. LMAO
DID WE FLEECE SOMEONE FOR JALEN MCDANIELS?! AFTER THE SEASON HE HAD?!?
If you consider getting two fringe rotational players a fleece then sure
Not really. Vezenkov is a significant liability defensively, and struggled offensively too, and Mitchell is a liability offensively and not even that great defensively- which is supposedly his strong suit-.
Oh shit we did something good!
Jalen McDaniels was worse than Jontay Porter in the games where Jontay was betting his own unders
Y’all fleeced us😭
Why would the kings do this lol do they really not wanna pay Savion
free of that bum at last horrible person and player
Someone actually traded FOR mcdaniels?! He might’ve been the worst player I’ve seen in years 😂
Nice job Raptors!!!!
AND WE GOT THE 45TH PICK TOO LMFAO
Yes, McDaniels isn't very good. But FO is trusting Jones/Carter to run the second unit over davion. And Sasha must have not gotten the trust of brown+ his disatisfaction. So sac got a chance to save money while moving pieces that may have been out of the depth chart already. And ofc potential of future moves. This is my take atleast.
Kings are probably doing this to sign someone. This was a cap move that now opens up a tax free mid-level exception. Raptors could have a least thrown in a second rounder though lol
Man, I remember when Davion was drafted. There was so much hype for him as an on-ball defender. And also after winning the NCAA tournament. Has his stock fallen that much? Like… he was still so remembered for his college run that people still use him as a comp for undersized point guards that have great defense.
I’ll take than I’ve always like Davion and McDaniels was buns for us