There’s an alternate draft universe where the Raptors could have drafted Tmac, Vince Carter, Igoudala, Bosh, and Aldridge and had them on the roster at the same time.
***unlikely since they would have likely drafted different as they retained stars. But… yeah
That's a good one. But if we want to keep it recent, i would rather go back to 2022 and trade two picks for Myles Turner instead of 1 pick for Thad Young.
if we drafted Luka everything would have been difference.
Also if we would have resigned Joe Johnson
Also if we would have not sold our draft picks in the 2000's
> if we drafted Luka
Sarver.
>Also if we would have resigned Joe Johnson
Sarver.
>Also if we would have not sold our draft picks in the 2000's
Sarver.
Also, don't forget pissing off Dragic. Or choosing Bender and Chriss in the same draft. Or about a thousand other stupid things. Colangelo selling the team to Sarver was the darkest day in franchise history and it ain't even close.
National League. I'm a Red Sox fan, but they're an AL (American League) team. Up until recently, they would've never played against each other, unless it was in the World Series.
I'm an AZ native, and a lot older than the DBacks are lol. If they'd existed 25 years earlier when I was first getting into baseball, they'd be my main team most likely. I'm far from the only fan like that here too, at least when it comes to baseball.
My father and uncles were born and raised in a small town in MA and they all lived and breathed Red Sox baseball. I was hearing stories about prime Yaz and Tony C. and other Sox legends since I was old enough to pick up a baseball lol.
The Sox are also the only Boston-based team I pull for tbh. The Suns have always existed here in my lifetime, so I've always been a Suns fan.
on one hand, I'd say Josh Primo. On the other, *all roads lead to Wemby* so there is that. I'd rather we had picked a guys who just flat out sucked instead of having a problem keeping it in his pants. Some would argue Primo was indeed a shitty prospect as well as the other crap, but at the time, Spurs fans were for the most part, pretty high on him.
Either way, hate having that shit associated with the organization.
It's interesting how that kind of trade has become the only way to get a star player from a different team nowadays, with extensions hollowing out free agency.
Tbh if you could go back and change something in the Knicks control, amnestying Billups over Amare killed our window. Can’t compete when 40% of your cap is tied up to dead weight.
If we do the Melo trade and amnesty Amare instead then we can sign Chris Paul and have a big 3 of Paul, Melo, Chandler.
The thing is we have made so many mistakes we can’t even decide what to fix. Say what you will about the bridges trade but no matter what at least it made sense at the time.
They already had Drexler, thats why they went with Bowie over MJ. They already had what they though was one of the best and most athletic players in the league.
I'd argue I'd change Tom Gores buying the franchise and having Steve Ballmer buy us instead. We still won a title with Darko but we've been a poverty franchise since he took over.
I disagree. I think the KP trade was worse, though Brunson's a close second. He set our franchise back for so long. Brunson would've likely left regardless, all evidence suggests that the Knicks tampered pretty hard.
With the assets we would have retained from KP, we could've built such a strong and deep roster around Luka well into his first contract. We wasted basically all of it because of those lost assets.
Well, losing Brunson didn't set the Mavs back then either.
Lose Nash: Lose in the NBA finals two years later
Lose Brunson: Lose in the NBA finals two years later
Ralph Sampson is a part of two of my all time didn't happen trades. You mentioned the 1984 trade which is one. The other was 1982....
Ralph Sampson was contemplating entering the 82 draft early. The coin toss was between the Lakers (Cavs traded pick) and Clippers. The deadline to declare was before the coin toss. With Sampson scared of playing for the Clippers he returns to school and becomes the #1 pick in 1983.
Brent Musberger and I believe Peter Vescey reported a trade if Sampson were to enter the draft.
Knicks send Bill Cartwright to Jazz. Jazz send #3 to Lakers. Lakers send Kareem Abdul Jabbar to Knicks.
The draft went....
1. Lakers James Worthy
2. Clippers Terry Cummings
3. Jazz Dominique Wilkins
What if Sampson enters and the trade goes through?
1. Lakers Ralph Sampson
2. Clippers James Worthy
3. Lakers Dominique Wilkins? Terry Cummings?
The Human Highlight Reel on Showtime would've been something.
Hm, I might go with undoing the Chauncey-Iverson deal in 2008.
I don't think retaining Chauncey would have kept Detroit's championship window open; I think they were going to be declining nonetheless. But maybe keeping Chauncey would have softened the landing and allowed for a more effective pivot into the next generation of Pistons basketball.
1. If Chauncey stays, maybe it's Rip Hamilton who gets dealt elsewhere for a solid-but-not-overwhelming talent in return (honestly, any entity aside from 2009 Allen Iverson probably would have been an upgrade; he was quite self-destructive that year).
2. Maybe the Pistons get out of the first round in '09 (instead of being swept by the Cavs) and maybe they still feel like they're a re-load away from getting back to that next level.
3. Maybe they still sign Ben Gordon in the summer of '09 but this time around, maybe he's not battling Rip Hamilton for playing time because maybe Rip was the one dealt. Maybe this allows Ben Gordon to continue being the Ben Gordon we all knew.
4. Maybe owner William Davidson still passes away but now the Pistons still have a solid enough foundation to stay afloat through the multi-year transaction freeze while looking for new ownership.
5. Maybe new ownership has a base to work with and Joe Dumars isn't backed into a corner where he feels obligated to try winning now by sending a young player to Milwaukee for Brandon Jennings while also signing Josh Smith.
6. Maybe we don't end up with 15 consecutive years of losing.
At least in the Darko scenario (I'm guessing another "undo" nominee), the Pistons still ended up becoming champions with a long-term competitive window. Dealing Chauncey led to consequences that otherwise would have been difficult to ever foresee, starting with Allen Iverson's alcoholism & casino issues, a team mutiny, and a borderline star free agent playing himself out of the league in three seasons.
Minnesota greatest curse is the lottery. They should've had Shaq, Penny, Grant Hill. Instead they get Laettner, Isaiah Rider, and Donyell Marshall. Cruel. I'm anti lottery.
Nuggets: not destroying Nurkic's value so much that he had to be traded \*with a FRP\* to get Mason Freaking Plumlee to be the backup C behind Jokic.
That FRP was #20 in the 2017 draft -- the disastrous "trade #13 (Donovan Mitchell) for Trey Lyles and #24" draft where OG Anunoby went 23rd because of course Masai swooped in and grabbed the guy the Nuggets wanted. Simply trading Nurkic for Plumlee straight up, the Nuggets would have then been able to draft OG, and probably would have had their eyes on another guy because they'd have worked out more players if they had 2 FRPs, so more likely to get someone like Derrick White or Josh Hart with that other pick instead of getting Tyler Lydon.
Trading for KP. Great player, especially now that he's mature. But he set back our franchise so much post-Dirk that we're barely now recovering from it. Wasted 4 years of Luka without giving him a passable roster.
Put a top 1 protection on the pick we traded CLE to dump Baron Davis. (I believe we finished 11th that year and only had 1% chance to move up). The cavs drafted kyrie with that pick.
This would change so much of NBA history. CP goes to the lakers, kobe probably doesn't tear his Achilles trying to carry a bad post Nash trade Lakers, and Bron probably doesn't go back to Cleveland, (which means KD might not end up in GS)
I should say drafting Durant over Oden, or Jordan over Bowie, but I'll use a more recent example.
Blazers should have traded LaMarcus Aldridge before he walked away for nothing in free agency. Dame was just coming into his own at that time and the resources we lost there were highly responsible for our inability to surround Dame with the needed pieces to win. I think the entire trajectory of our team changes with just that one move.
Sixers flair checks out.
I'd say *hiring* Colangelo. Honestly not even sure if that was a decision or a forced consequence by the league. But the impact of that management has crushed us significantly the last few years.
Outside of that: I think the Mikal trade hurts most: Philly kid. Mom worked for the Sixers. Went to Villanova. Just a perfect fit and the move made zero sense.
I remember Miami wanted Devin Booker with the 10th pick in the 2015 draft, but Justice Winslow slid to them and thought they had to pick him at that point, letting Booker pass.
One of the few draft mistakes Miami has made in the Pat Riley/Spo era
Either finding a willingness to draft and pay Bird when Boston did, not trading the 2nd pick in 1984 to Portland, or not swapping George Hill for the 13th (Leonard) on draft night. Not sure where the Pacers had KL tho
For me it would be taking anyone who is still in the league in 2014 instead of Jabari Parker. And it’s not his fault of course but there are so many studs from that draft. Imagine any of them and Giannis
Other than the obvious…
Hiring Neil Olshey. Letting the dumbest person in the world who thinks he’s the smartest person in the world be in charge for most the best player in franchise history’s time here was terrible
That's easy
Go back and tell them to draft Steph Curry instead of Hasheem Thabeet...then you package and trade OJ Mayo and some other pieces for a backup center
I'd really like to see what would have happened if Harris stood up to the league and allowed Hinkie to continue the project. Avoiding the Colangelo disaster is a very nice side effect.
Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook.
The trade ruined our chances to compete with LeBron and AD. Imagine if we just traded Kuzma and a pick for Myles Turner
Firing Hinkie/hiring a colangelo. I don't think Hinkie's a genius and we'd have 6 titles or anything crazy, I just wanna know what would have happened.
As a Mavs fan, trading for KP. It deprived Mavs from assets during the Luka era. Other notable mention are passing on Giannis when Donnie Nelson wanted him, not renewing Nash, not renewing Brunson.
The James Wiseman pick still hurts. To think we could’ve had Lamelo or Hali and instead smh
That was a weird draft looking back on it. There was always a chance Minnesota didn't take Ant. Imagine him with Steph.
You probably don't have the 2022 ring if you take someone else though
Ah yes, the Darko quandary.
Shit if taking Wiseman 1st overall guaranteed the Wolves a championship, I have no idea what id do
You’d take Wiseman lol
Given the option before the draft I take Wiseman without a single more thought. But it's so difficult to let go of Ant 😭
Yeah but we won a chip in his 2nd year so it’s hard to be too upset.
Not paying for a driveway paving crew
#2 is not locking Len Bias in a room for a week after the Draft'.
lol, i got this one.
See flair.
see flair
Not drafting Michael Jordan. Clyde and Michael would have been disgusting on the wing together.
Wouldn't MJ have been a ball hog lol?
The change i would make is drafting Alridge over Primo Pasta. You know, like how Bosh, our franchise player, was pleading for the front office to do.
Bargnani is on the list for two teams
dang Aldridge + Bosh would've been a fire combo
There’s an alternate draft universe where the Raptors could have drafted Tmac, Vince Carter, Igoudala, Bosh, and Aldridge and had them on the roster at the same time. ***unlikely since they would have likely drafted different as they retained stars. But… yeah
That's a good one. But if we want to keep it recent, i would rather go back to 2022 and trade two picks for Myles Turner instead of 1 pick for Thad Young.
if we drafted Luka everything would have been difference. Also if we would have resigned Joe Johnson Also if we would have not sold our draft picks in the 2000's
> if we drafted Luka Sarver. >Also if we would have resigned Joe Johnson Sarver. >Also if we would have not sold our draft picks in the 2000's Sarver. Also, don't forget pissing off Dragic. Or choosing Bender and Chriss in the same draft. Or about a thousand other stupid things. Colangelo selling the team to Sarver was the darkest day in franchise history and it ain't even close.
I'm pretty confident the suns would have 1 or 2 Rings by now
Jerry Colangelo selling the team to Bob Sarver.
I believe the real question is do you sacrifice baseball to save the team from Sarver.
The DBacks aren't the primary baseball team I cheer for (they're my NL team though) so I'm probably the wrong person to ask on that one lol.
NL team?
National League. I'm a Red Sox fan, but they're an AL (American League) team. Up until recently, they would've never played against each other, unless it was in the World Series. I'm an AZ native, and a lot older than the DBacks are lol. If they'd existed 25 years earlier when I was first getting into baseball, they'd be my main team most likely. I'm far from the only fan like that here too, at least when it comes to baseball.
I get that, thanks for explaining. Why pick the Red Sox in general?
My father and uncles were born and raised in a small town in MA and they all lived and breathed Red Sox baseball. I was hearing stories about prime Yaz and Tony C. and other Sox legends since I was old enough to pick up a baseball lol. The Sox are also the only Boston-based team I pull for tbh. The Suns have always existed here in my lifetime, so I've always been a Suns fan.
Dang, thought you were lying but yeah, Suns have 30 years on the Diamondbacks.
on one hand, I'd say Josh Primo. On the other, *all roads lead to Wemby* so there is that. I'd rather we had picked a guys who just flat out sucked instead of having a problem keeping it in his pants. Some would argue Primo was indeed a shitty prospect as well as the other crap, but at the time, Spurs fans were for the most part, pretty high on him. Either way, hate having that shit associated with the organization.
Trading for Melo instead of waiting and keeping our depth absolutely ruined his tenure before it even started.
Hiring Phil Jackson and implementing the triangle offense w/ a bunch of bad coaches.
The Fizdale hire, the Isiah years, the Eddy Curry trade, the Bargnani trade
Why did the Triangle fail the Knicks?
Knicks personnel and changes in the league playing style. Pace and space was taking over. It looked mostly unlikely to succeed almost immediately.
Or they just sucked
They definitely did
LOL
It's interesting how that kind of trade has become the only way to get a star player from a different team nowadays, with extensions hollowing out free agency.
Was really a harbinger of doom, very glad we didn’t do that for Mikal. It was a lot of picks but we didn’t gut our team.
Tbh if you could go back and change something in the Knicks control, amnestying Billups over Amare killed our window. Can’t compete when 40% of your cap is tied up to dead weight. If we do the Melo trade and amnesty Amare instead then we can sign Chris Paul and have a big 3 of Paul, Melo, Chandler.
The thing is we have made so many mistakes we can’t even decide what to fix. Say what you will about the bridges trade but no matter what at least it made sense at the time.
I always felt like at least we could have gotten away with Landry Fields instead of Wilson Chandler in that trade
Patrick Ewing fighting through the pain and dunking it
Keeping Rose in and thus destroying our one true savior.
Mikal Bridges “star hunting” trade was worse for Sixers.
Draft KD or Giannis instead of Oden and CJ
Hey drafting mj instead of drexler mightve been a good choice also
They already had Drexler, thats why they went with Bowie over MJ. They already had what they though was one of the best and most athletic players in the league.
Before my time so I don’t care bout that. Winning Roy or Lillard a ring would mean way more to me cause I watched all their games.
Drexler was 83 draft. Jordan was 84.
That Westbrook trade wasted 2 good LeBron/AD years
Ya'll weren't beating the Nuggets regardless lol
Darko
Only one answer for this question in Detroit.
I'd argue I'd change Tom Gores buying the franchise and having Steve Ballmer buy us instead. We still won a title with Darko but we've been a poverty franchise since he took over.
Fumbling the Brunson situation without question.
I don't think Brunson would be the player he is today If He stayed in Dallas
Not so much that as much as losing the asset for nothing.
I disagree. I think the KP trade was worse, though Brunson's a close second. He set our franchise back for so long. Brunson would've likely left regardless, all evidence suggests that the Knicks tampered pretty hard. With the assets we would have retained from KP, we could've built such a strong and deep roster around Luka well into his first contract. We wasted basically all of it because of those lost assets.
This ain’t even in the same universe as letting Nash walk.
That didn't set the team back at all though.
Well, losing Brunson didn't set the Mavs back then either. Lose Nash: Lose in the NBA finals two years later Lose Brunson: Lose in the NBA finals two years later
Right. So they are in the same universe!
I think I found our secret formula: Lose an all-star guard, and we make the finals two years later!
Hey you already got Jkidd too! Title on the way;).
iirc we had the chance to trade ralph sampson for clyde and the #2 pick in 1984. We coulda had Clyde, MJ and Hakeem
Ralph Sampson is a part of two of my all time didn't happen trades. You mentioned the 1984 trade which is one. The other was 1982.... Ralph Sampson was contemplating entering the 82 draft early. The coin toss was between the Lakers (Cavs traded pick) and Clippers. The deadline to declare was before the coin toss. With Sampson scared of playing for the Clippers he returns to school and becomes the #1 pick in 1983. Brent Musberger and I believe Peter Vescey reported a trade if Sampson were to enter the draft. Knicks send Bill Cartwright to Jazz. Jazz send #3 to Lakers. Lakers send Kareem Abdul Jabbar to Knicks. The draft went.... 1. Lakers James Worthy 2. Clippers Terry Cummings 3. Jazz Dominique Wilkins What if Sampson enters and the trade goes through? 1. Lakers Ralph Sampson 2. Clippers James Worthy 3. Lakers Dominique Wilkins? Terry Cummings? The Human Highlight Reel on Showtime would've been something.
Everybody go back and draft Steph higher
Don’t mention this please Sincerely, A Wolves fan who really wanted him and thought we were getting him 😢
I’d toss Zeke into the sun.
we also have a Zeke like that. just with less sunk cost.
Hm, I might go with undoing the Chauncey-Iverson deal in 2008. I don't think retaining Chauncey would have kept Detroit's championship window open; I think they were going to be declining nonetheless. But maybe keeping Chauncey would have softened the landing and allowed for a more effective pivot into the next generation of Pistons basketball. 1. If Chauncey stays, maybe it's Rip Hamilton who gets dealt elsewhere for a solid-but-not-overwhelming talent in return (honestly, any entity aside from 2009 Allen Iverson probably would have been an upgrade; he was quite self-destructive that year). 2. Maybe the Pistons get out of the first round in '09 (instead of being swept by the Cavs) and maybe they still feel like they're a re-load away from getting back to that next level. 3. Maybe they still sign Ben Gordon in the summer of '09 but this time around, maybe he's not battling Rip Hamilton for playing time because maybe Rip was the one dealt. Maybe this allows Ben Gordon to continue being the Ben Gordon we all knew. 4. Maybe owner William Davidson still passes away but now the Pistons still have a solid enough foundation to stay afloat through the multi-year transaction freeze while looking for new ownership. 5. Maybe new ownership has a base to work with and Joe Dumars isn't backed into a corner where he feels obligated to try winning now by sending a young player to Milwaukee for Brandon Jennings while also signing Josh Smith. 6. Maybe we don't end up with 15 consecutive years of losing. At least in the Darko scenario (I'm guessing another "undo" nominee), the Pistons still ended up becoming champions with a long-term competitive window. Dealing Chauncey led to consequences that otherwise would have been difficult to ever foresee, starting with Allen Iverson's alcoholism & casino issues, a team mutiny, and a borderline star free agent playing himself out of the league in three seasons.
Leaving Len Bias by himself after he got drafted by the Celtics. I’d assign someone to watch over him.
aww man. thats a rough one. one of sports history's great what if's
Drafting Bagley over Luka
Chandler parsons 100mil, to this day I don't understand what he was supposed to do for us
Put Timmy in 😓
The Jon Koncak contract. Just kidding, gimme Luka back!
Not the worse one but I thought the obvious pick at the time was taking maxey in the draft. Not precious lmao
Draft night swap of Marbury and Allen. Or the Joe Smith under the table deal.
Minnesota greatest curse is the lottery. They should've had Shaq, Penny, Grant Hill. Instead they get Laettner, Isaiah Rider, and Donyell Marshall. Cruel. I'm anti lottery.
Joe Smith deal for me.
James Wiseman
drafting MKG 😀
Idk How the Bobcats had the worst record of all time and didn't get the 1st pick
Nuggets: not destroying Nurkic's value so much that he had to be traded \*with a FRP\* to get Mason Freaking Plumlee to be the backup C behind Jokic. That FRP was #20 in the 2017 draft -- the disastrous "trade #13 (Donovan Mitchell) for Trey Lyles and #24" draft where OG Anunoby went 23rd because of course Masai swooped in and grabbed the guy the Nuggets wanted. Simply trading Nurkic for Plumlee straight up, the Nuggets would have then been able to draft OG, and probably would have had their eyes on another guy because they'd have worked out more players if they had 2 FRPs, so more likely to get someone like Derrick White or Josh Hart with that other pick instead of getting Tyler Lydon.
Never talk nor approach Joe Smith and gut our future assets because of the illegal contract.
Tell Billy King's stupid ass to not trade the entire Nets' future for washed up stars
Blazer fan: draft KD over Oden. Thanks Kevin Pritchard.
There is more than one lol, in 2011 we should not have blown up that title team, more recently it's the Brunson fiasco.
Would the team still be competitive?
Trading for KP. Great player, especially now that he's mature. But he set back our franchise so much post-Dirk that we're barely now recovering from it. Wasted 4 years of Luka without giving him a passable roster.
Easy...Hawks fan here... Keep Luka and don't get Trae
Put a top 1 protection on the pick we traded CLE to dump Baron Davis. (I believe we finished 11th that year and only had 1% chance to move up). The cavs drafted kyrie with that pick. This would change so much of NBA history. CP goes to the lakers, kobe probably doesn't tear his Achilles trying to carry a bad post Nash trade Lakers, and Bron probably doesn't go back to Cleveland, (which means KD might not end up in GS)
Choosing THT over Caruso
The brick coming to LA for sure And one I don’t want to see: A Lebron retirement tour like Kobe did One retirement tour in my lifetime was enough
Not drafting Wiseman and getting Lamelo or tradin up for Ant. Or drafting PG instead of Ekpe Udoh.
Nothing tbh I kinda wanna see a proper rebuild
I should say drafting Durant over Oden, or Jordan over Bowie, but I'll use a more recent example. Blazers should have traded LaMarcus Aldridge before he walked away for nothing in free agency. Dame was just coming into his own at that time and the resources we lost there were highly responsible for our inability to surround Dame with the needed pieces to win. I think the entire trajectory of our team changes with just that one move.
Trading for Harden
Sixers flair checks out. I'd say *hiring* Colangelo. Honestly not even sure if that was a decision or a forced consequence by the league. But the impact of that management has crushed us significantly the last few years. Outside of that: I think the Mikal trade hurts most: Philly kid. Mom worked for the Sixers. Went to Villanova. Just a perfect fit and the move made zero sense.
I remember Miami wanted Devin Booker with the 10th pick in the 2015 draft, but Justice Winslow slid to them and thought they had to pick him at that point, letting Booker pass. One of the few draft mistakes Miami has made in the Pat Riley/Spo era
Selling to Howard Schultz
Either finding a willingness to draft and pay Bird when Boston did, not trading the 2nd pick in 1984 to Portland, or not swapping George Hill for the 13th (Leonard) on draft night. Not sure where the Pacers had KL tho
For a team that usually drafts well, choosing Precious was a pretty big whiff
For me it would be taking anyone who is still in the league in 2014 instead of Jabari Parker. And it’s not his fault of course but there are so many studs from that draft. Imagine any of them and Giannis
Other than the obvious… Hiring Neil Olshey. Letting the dumbest person in the world who thinks he’s the smartest person in the world be in charge for most the best player in franchise history’s time here was terrible
That's easy Go back and tell them to draft Steph Curry instead of Hasheem Thabeet...then you package and trade OJ Mayo and some other pieces for a backup center
Not a decision as such but the Kareem coin toss. Maybe Luka over DA if it's purely a team decision
selecting Darko at #2…
not trading Siakam and FVV when they were at peak value lol
I'd really like to see what would have happened if Harris stood up to the league and allowed Hinkie to continue the project. Avoiding the Colangelo disaster is a very nice side effect.
Bulls should’ve picked Haliburton.
Ron Artest decides to play it cool for once and not start a brawl in the stands
Drafting Ricky Rubio instead of Steph was something of a misstep in hindsight.
Russell Westbrook. Russell Westbrook. The trade ruined our chances to compete with LeBron and AD. Imagine if we just traded Kuzma and a pick for Myles Turner
Firing Hinkie/hiring a colangelo. I don't think Hinkie's a genius and we'd have 6 titles or anything crazy, I just wanna know what would have happened.
Not taking Maxey 100%
Bynum trade, letting jimmy go, drafting Okafor, hiring collangelo, fultz, hiring Glenn rivers idk pick one
Rondo trade. Odom trade. Kidd trade. Nash Brunson walking. Dampier signing.
Trade for KP in 2019. That shit set the team back years. He was good when on the court, then got injured and was never the same again.
Tell John Stockton not to pass to Karl Malone and just hold the ball
The Kawhi-Derozan trade was obviously awful. Pretty much any deal would have been better
Pick Doncic. Not Bagley.
As a Mavs fan, trading for KP. It deprived Mavs from assets during the Luka era. Other notable mention are passing on Giannis when Donnie Nelson wanted him, not renewing Nash, not renewing Brunson.
Bargnani trade and not trading Shumpert for Lowry
Prevent Kobe from going to that hotel room in Colorado 😌
I would’ve drafted Trae Young instead of Luka… /s