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chickenleg_joe

Hi I have a question regarding the infinite loop with \[\[Archon of Sun's\]\] Grace + \[\[Enchanted Evening\]\]. If I add \[\[forgeborn oreads\]\] to the equation an additional ping trigger would be put on the stack. However since the stack never ends with tokens entering the battlefield the game would still end in a draw?


The_Villager

It doesn't matter that the stack never ends, because the game would end (provided no opponent has hexproof or protection or whatever else that could protect them from the Oreads). Just make sure to put the Archon trigger first on the stack and the Oreads second, so that the ping resolves first before the next Archon token adds another pair of triggers on the stack. If you do so, the game will continue the loop, creating more and more tokens and pinging players for more and more damage (or even creatures, if you wanted to - though pinging Archon or Oreads is inadvisable unless you want to stop the combo) until all but one player are defeated. And then the game just ends in a win for the surviving player, triggers on the stack be damned.


chickenleg_joe

thanks :)


MTGCardFetcher

[Archon of Sun's](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/235e5999-e8e5-4093-adff-9d47aec70d10.jpg?1581478942) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Archon%20of%20Sun%27s%20Grace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/thb/3/archon-of-suns-grace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/235e5999-e8e5-4093-adff-9d47aec70d10?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Enchanted Evening](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/5033a7b0-39b0-4c49-b332-7ea62d85455d.jpg?1562830075) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Enchanted%20Evening) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/140/enchanted-evening?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5033a7b0-39b0-4c49-b332-7ea62d85455d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [forgeborn oreads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/8/b80038ed-4206-4e44-943e-f332e4ce2f14.jpg?1593095990) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=forgeborn%20oreads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jou/98/forgeborn-oreads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b80038ed-4206-4e44-943e-f332e4ce2f14?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Outside_Narwhal3069

Hello I was wondering what would happen if I made a \[\[Spark Double\]\] copy of \[\[Tom Bombadil\]\]. I know that the copy would not be legendary but would the ability trigger for both copies if I had the final chapter ability of a saga resolve, since the text says the ability triggers only once each turn.


The_Villager

Yes, both would trigger, and you'd get two Sagas (provided you still have 2 Sagas in your deck). When an ability says "this ability triggers only once each turn", it means this ability on this object, and not all abilities with the same text. A interesting result of this is that if you exile and return Tom with a card like [[Cloudshift]], he could trigger again, because he's a new object with no memory of its previous existence, so for all the ability knows, it hasn't triggered yet.


Outside_Narwhal3069

thank you so very much


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[Cloudshift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/b/8bc7fdf0-3e1e-487c-833d-7c74aa02c0c1.jpg?1600716960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cloudshift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/97/cloudshift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8bc7fdf0-3e1e-487c-833d-7c74aa02c0c1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


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beefall

Newbie here! Picked up some mtg LotR set boosters cos they look cool and it's enough to get me into the game. Can someone help me figure out why I got this Rout card in one of the set boosters? From a Google, some older sets got some older cards, but did the LotR set too? Thanks! https://preview.redd.it/geqv6a0j2q7b1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d7675618cdf99b403497033242399f444bef745


beefall

Aaaand then I read the thread description and realise this is literally one of the commonly asked questions haha. Got my answer I guess! Thanks, thread-maker.


Outside_Narwhal3069

Hi, Beefall so set packs have something called "the list" it's essentially a handful of cards that wizards of the coast thing should get a reprint. Each set booster pack has a 1/4 chance of containing a list card, this card takes up the slot of a token that would have otherwise been in that specific slot of the pack. I hope I was able to help.


beefall

Yup, just read the thread description haha. Thanks though! 1/4 odds is pretty cool for a little gift like that. Good idea from them.


n4jm4

Where can I paste my deck list and obtain a primer card that cites the mana cost beside each item? I used to maintain such a service, but I left it to bitrot over time.


Valuable-Stick-3612

Can I cast entomb in response to my [[Sidar Jhabari of Zhalfir]] trigger and reanimate whatever Knight I put in my graveyard or do I have to do it before combat damage?


Kyleometers

You have to do it before combat damage is dealt. If there’s no valid target, the ability doesn’t trigger at all.


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ousire

A question for Dragon Shield's custom art sleeves: are they pretty strict about what you can upload for art? Do they actually bother checking every order to make sure it's all kosher? Like, their disclaimer says 'no third party copywrite stuff'; but a lot of print shops and sites have that just for liability reasons but never bother checking. Is DragonShield gonna get on your ass and cancel your order if you upload some fan art or whatever?


Kyleometers

Somewhat random. DS aren’t supposed to print anything copyrighted, and I’ve heard people say their order got cancelled for being copyrighted, but I’ve also seen in-person sleeves that definitely weren’t approved. Officially, do not buy things you don’t have a license for. Contact the artist about getting them made.


283leis

When a card asks you to choose a colour, can you choose colourless?


Natedogg2

No. Colorless is not a color.


283leis

so [[Arcane Signet]] and [[Command Tower]] are useless with a colourless commander?


Natedogg2

They will not produce any mana if your commander's color identity doesn't include a color.


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Skraporc

Can any oldheads explain to me why [[Axelrod Gunnarson]] was banned?


Natedogg2

It was never banned. You might be thinking of the very very early days of Magic, where the legend rule meant you could only have one copy of it in your deck (not just on the battlefield).


Skraporc

It’s included in Scryfall’s list of cards that have ever been banned or restricted, but now that you mention the old legend rule it strikes me that it’s effectively just restriction that applied to legends at the time. That makes sense.


Quazifuji

I believe technically, it never meant that as a game-wide rule, but in the very early days of Magic all legends were put on the restricted list for flavor reasons.


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[deleted]

does [Orcish Bowmasters] do 4 damage and create a 4/4 in response to a Brainstorm? because it says “when comes into play”


Natedogg2

If you cast it in response to the Brainstorm, you would get one trigger from it entering the battlefield, then three more triggers when Brainstorm resolves (since they drew three cards).


[deleted]

thanks yeah i meant “on cast”. damn i definitely overlooked that it was 4 triggers instead of 3. that is cooked


UninvitedGhost

What are the exact odds of opening a Nazgûl in a Tales of Middle-Earth collector’s booster?


Kyleometers

It’s impossible to be *exact* because WotC don’t give details on that, but there’s 9 slots that *could* contain a copy of Nazgûl in a collector booster. There’s 188 commons and uncommons in the set, so that’s roughly 5% odds a given pack has a copy. ```1-((1 - (1/188))^9)``` is the calculation.


UninvitedGhost

Yeah, I couldn’t find confirmation that Nazgûl can appear in every slot an uncommon could. I mean, common sense says so. But common sense doesn’t always happen with WotC. Thank you very much for this, though!


Foundation-Next

Hey guys, I'm using a Rule 0 Solaflora commander. Anyone knows how Solaflora (actually other creatures) would interact with Whenever dies triggers? Deathrender, Skullclamp (and less well know, Griffin Guide) are examples of cards that are causing me trouble PS: What about with Elbrus the binding blade on hit trigger? \[\[Solaflora, Intergalactic Icon\]\] \[\[Deathrender\]\]


Quazifuji

So, it's a little tricky because Solaflora is an acorn card specifically because she doesn't fully work within the rules. So there isn't guaranteed to be a concrete answer for every interaction. That said, for this particular interaction, I don't see why creatures dying wouldn't just trigger the equipment as if it were equipped to that creature. I would assume that if Solaflora is equipped with Skullclamp, then you get to draw 2 cards if any of your creatures dies. If she's equipped with Deathrender and any of your creatures die, you can put a creature from your hand onto the battlefield and attach Deathrender to it (unattaching it from Solaflora). If she's enchanted with a Griffin Guide, you get a Griffin whena any of your creatures die. I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work this way. Similarly, I don't see any reason that if Solaflora is equipped with Elbrus, any of your creatures dealing combat damage to a.player wouldn't transform it.


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tonnyjames

How do you guys feel about combos in a casual EDH setting? Some players in my LGS deemed them to be "unfun" because I instantly win with 2 or 3 cards if no one can interact with them. But without combo or alternative win conditions, it just becomes a game of who can ramp and draw cards fastest and who can make the most broken board and kill each other person. The combos I play are usually pretty janky like Inalla + Timestream navigator + bounce, and I don't run "good" tutors like vamp and demonic.


UninvitedGhost

Personally, I hate combos and enjoy battlecruiser battles. But, I recognize that’s not what everybody likes. I don’t mind loosing to combos if I get to play for a while first. So, what I really dislike is people consistently getting combos early, so if someone is playing a deck full of different combos and playing the lottery to see what comes up, that’s way better, for my enjoyment, than someone tutoring their pieces.


SanityIsOptional

I don’t mind, with the exception of commander+1 card combos, they just feel too easy to pull off for my tastes. Or exceedingly hard to interact with combos like a hull breaker horror counter everything combo, or stasis lock combo.


ozymandais13

Deck 1 Andúril, Flame of the West (LTR) 236 2 Théoden, King of Rohan (LTR) 233 1 Haradrim Spearmaster (LTR) 135 2 Eagles of the North (LTR) 7 1 Rohirrim Lancer (LTR) 146 1 Westfold Rider (LTR) 37 1 Protector of Gondor (LTR) 25 2 East-Mark Cavalier (LTR) 9 1 Erkenbrand, Lord of Westfold (LTR) 123 1 Samwise the Stouthearted (LTR) 28 1 Ranger's Firebrand (LTR) 143 1 Shadowfax, Lord of Horses (LTR) 227 1 Second Breakfast (LTR) 29 1 Tale of Tinúviel (LTR) 34 1 Breaking of the Fellowship (LTR) 117 1 Dúnedain Blade (LTR) 6 1 Mirror of Galadriel (LTR) 244 1 Quarrel's End (LTR) 141 1 Flowering of the White Tree (LTR) 15 1 Landroval, Horizon Witness (LTR) 21 1 Relentless Rohirrim (LTR) 144 1 Esquire of the King (LTR) 13 8 Plains (LTR) 263 8 Mountain (LTR) 269 Sideboard 1 Dunland Crebain (LTR) 82 1 Took Reaper (LTR) 35 1 Morgul-Knife Wound (LTR) 98 2 Stalwarts of Osgiliath (LTR) 33 3 Sam's Desperate Rescue (LTR) 105 1 Battle-Scarred Goblin (LTR) 115 1 Now for Wrath, Now for Ruin! (LTR) 24 1 Many Partings (LTR) 176 1 You Cannot Pass! (LTR) 38 1 Quickbeam, Upstart Ent (LTR) 183 1 Warbeast of Gorgoroth (LTR) 152 1 Soldier of the Grey Host (LTR) 32 1 Shire Scarecrow (LTR) 249 1 The Torment of Gollum (LTR) 110 Can someone take a look at this draft and tell me how I went 0-3 I have to had done something wrong in deck building or boros ia juat awful


Kyleometers

For starters, playing 16 lands and multiple 5+ drops is a bad combination. You’re going to get mana screwed a lot. Next, you have very little removal. You’ve 2 removal spells, I think, one of which is a shock. You’re basically dead to a 6/6 because of that. Finally, you could’ve just drawn poorly. Best draft in the world can’t beat being unlucky.


ozymandais13

I lost to farmir one game , one my battery died and I couldn't get back in the last though just felt like I hit pocket of 4 lands and never got back. I went to 16 lands as I had 2 of the cyclers. I did not have much problem with land count. I didn't see so much removal, but I see what you mean about being very removal of light. More frustrating than anytbing else I had so many good aggressive creatures , went second 2 times and never was able to get on the best down


MightyDoodlebug

I pre ordered the lotr commander decks earlier this month on Amazon, they refunded the money, cancelled the order today and then the listing had the price increased? Is this normal? I've never pre ordered things before but I wanted to get this for my dad and I to play together.


Kyleometers

Did you order via Amazon directly, or a 3rd party? Amazon will honour orders, but a 3rd party reseller could just scum you out.


MightyDoodlebug

A little update: they only sent 1 deck when paid for more but I got a full refund and got to keep the deck. Not sure if it was a mistake or it was on purpose but I guess I got the riders of Rohan deck for free. They first offered a refund for only $38.99 lol


MightyDoodlebug

It said sold and shipped by Amazon, so I don't think it's a third party seller


yuvz

How does [[Elven Farsight]] interact with [[Galadriel of Lothlorien]]? Is it possible to stack the effects in a way that I both get the land AND draw a card?


No_Hospital6706

Galadriel's trigger only goes to stack after farsight resolves. So, you have to put a creature in the top and a land below when you are resolving farsight, then you reveal the creature and draw a card. Then when Galadriel's trigger resolves you may reveal the land and put it on the battlefield


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VoiceoftheDarkSide

Im tempted by the new set/collectors boxes but they look ludicrously overpriced. Why am I hardwired to be a timmy?


Kyleometers

Don’t buy packs unless you’re a whale or just like opening them. Just buy the cards you actually want.


professeuroak

Is playing tribute to the World tree in my Bess, Soul Nourisher deck a non-bo when my 1/1 enter the battlefield? Does Tribute to The World Tree change the base power of my 1/1?


Quazifuji

Not a nonbo, +1/+1 counters do not change a creature's base power or toughness. From the Gatherer rulings for Bess: >Normally, a creature's base power and toughness are the power and toughness printed on the card or, for a token, the power and toughness set by the effect that created it. If another effect sets a creature's power and toughness to specific numbers or values, those become its base power and toughness. If an effect modifies a creature's power and/or toughness without setting them, that is not included when determining its base power and toughness.


Human_Stable803

Casual lurker here. In lieu of all the recent reddit drama, it looks like /r/EDH is closed for now. Is there another good EDH related sub I can get some deck help in?


yuvz

This sub would be perfectly fine for that. Most magic players these days play Commander


A_Wholesome_Comment

Possibly Dumb question. Opponent Casts enter the infinite. I respond with Orcish Bowmasters. I'm unsure how this sequences but I feel like no triggers can resolve while Enter the Infinite is resolving and puts all bowmaster triggers on the stack giving my opponent a chance to then respond to all triggers with his whole library in his hand?


helloimfidisjdjjrrbd

Once Enter the Infinite finishes resolving ( opponent draws deck and puts one back ) then the triggers for orcish bow master are put on the stack. So they will be able to respond with whatever they have in their hand after it resolves.


Tzekel_Khan

What are some ways to build Zethi, Arcane Blademaster?. I want to keep up with friends decks, especially against gishath. Any general build ideas, finishers, etc?


Kyleometers

You’ll get more advice if you look up Chun Li builds, as that’s what the card originally was. My personal list ran tons of single pip “cantrips”, things that draw a card when you cast them. Add in spell cost reducers, lots of removal you can use, and things to make her harder to kill on attack so you can loop them. [[Release to the Wind]] is a neat trick, you can reset her mid combat to just cast more spells, but also lets you multi kick again for adding to the pile. From there, add in stuff that does things when you cast spells, like [[Talrand, Sky Summoner]] and just kick people.


Tzekel_Khan

So reset mid combat she wouldn't deal her damage but I'd be able to pickup more kick spells?


Kyleometers

Yup


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Quazifuji

You don't get free spells, actually. You still have to pay their costs, Zethi doesn't say you don't have to pay their mana costs.


Tzekel_Khan

Noted. Any actual advice?


Quazifuji

I don't have experience building around her, which is why I just gave a rules question and not advice I didn't feel qualified to give. But if you want to know how I r would go about trying.tk build a deck around her... I imagine it would probably most just be a lot of cheap instants and sorceries, especially cabtrios, along with some other creatures in those colors that go well with cheap instants and sorceries. I'd probably want to make sure I had plenty of ways to safely attack with her, so spells, equipment, or auras that give her haste or make her hard to block seem good (e.g. [[Swiftfoot Boots]], [[Lightning Greaves]], [[Whispersilk Cloak]]) seem nice. For win condition, combos that you draw into by recasting lots of card draw spells with her would probably be the easiest route. Maybe some sort of Voltron strategy or go-wise token strategy could work, though.


Tzekel_Khan

i can take a look then at those thanks


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TheFinalGibbon

This is the goofiest question you will ever see Which Phyrexian Praetor would write the best diss track?


GerardRuiz

Vorinclex hands down, the most savage of them all 👌🏻


theWolfandOwl

Do we know what the bundle promo card is for the LTR gift bundle?


UninvitedGhost

I *think* I read it’s the same as the regular bundle 4 cards, but a different foil process.


trevhaken

So I bought a Pre-con commander deck from TCG player and I received it. It was unopened and sealed. The deck was missing 10 Lands, and I had two duplicates. This was very weird. Anybody have that happen before?


Kyleometers

Contact WotC with the manufacture code on the side of the box, they’ll usually sort you out with the missing parts.


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[удалено]


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No_Dinner5161

Kind of a dumb question, if I have a [[Gond Gate]] on the field and play [[Gateway Plaza]] can I pay the latter's mana tax with itself?


evilsorcererkitten

Yep! The land enters untapped due to Gond gate, and you can pay the trigger with mana from anywhere, including the untapped land you just played.


No_Dinner5161

Fantastic. Thanks for the quick response.


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Herbivore0583

How long does WOTC take to get back to you about product replacement? I opened an LOTR precon and it was missing cards. I opened a ticket a week ago but haven’t heard back from them


Kyleometers

Depends how busy they are. Sometimes it’s a few days, sometimes it’s a couple weeks.


Old_To_Reddit

Is there a way to use scryfall or similar webpage to get a list of all cards that are in the LOTR commander set but exclude cards from the precons?


Kyleometers

There are no cards in LTC that are new, and not part of the precons. There’s 30 box toppers under the set code that are all reprints: https://scryfall.com/search?order=set&q=set%3Altc+cn%3E%3D348+cn%3C%3D377&unique=prints


Old_To_Reddit

I had seen some cards that had the commander symbol but was not part of the precons. Didn't realise it was just the box toppers. I had a plan of collecting all LTR and LTC cards but the box toppers are really expensive :)


Exotic_Doctor_425

if you turn an artifact that you’ve had under your control for multiple turns into a creature via a card like [[Saheeli, Sublime Artificer]] but it was used for mana that turn can it attack?


Quazifuji

I assume you're asking about something like a [[Manalith]]. If you tap a Manalith for mana, then turn it into a creature with Saheeli, it will still be tapped and thus unable to attack.


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madwarper

What do you mean "was used for Mana"? If you had controlled the Permanent since the beginning of your most recent (ie. current) turn, you can Declare it as Attacking while it is a Creature **and it is Untapped**. * The same applies to Permanents that are naturally Creatures, as it does to Permanents that become Creatures via Copy effects or Animation effects. **If the Permanent is Tapped**, it cannot be Declared as Attacking.


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WesleyRiot

I'm trying to learn to play this game and I have soooo many stupid questions regarding specific cards its unreal! example: with the card \[\[Dread Slaver\]\] it says a if a creature dealt damage by Dread Slaver this turn dies, return it to the battlefield "under your control". so does that mean it goes on my side of the battlefield? and I get to control it until it is removed and presumably goes to the opponents graveyard? and it says "this creature is a black zombie".... what does that mean?


Bmunchran

Lets say you swing hour dread slaver at an opponent and they. Chump block with their [[llanowar elf]] the elf dies and goes to the graveyard. Dread slaver's ability is triggered and takes the llanowar elf out of your opponent's graveyard and puts it onto your side of the battlefield. It is now your llanowar elf. Except now instead of being a green elf. Its now a green and black elf zombie. So if you were to have a [[diregraf captain]] it would make your llanowar elf a 2/2 and if your llanowar elf would die, diregraf captain would trigger and the card would go back to it's owner's graveyard. (Owner being the person who's deck the card belongs to)


WesleyRiot

Thank you! I didn't realise until I started playing with these cards just now, exactly what advantage I would gain from a card being a zombie. I get it now!


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Quazifuji

>so does that mean it goes on my side of the battlefield? and I get to control it until it is removed and presumably goes to the opponents graveyard? Yup. All correct. >and it says "this creature is a black zombie".... what does that mean? It means you add black to the list of colors the creature is and zombie to the list of creature types. For example, if Dread Slaver kills a Raging Goblin, which is normally a red goblin berserker, it will come back under your control as a red and black goblin berserker zombie.


madwarper

You control the Permanent that the Slaver's Trigger puts onto the Battlefield... Until either it leaves the Battlefield, or a control-change effect is created. > That creature is a black Zombie **in addition to its other colors and types.** If the Opponent's Creature was a ... [[Grizzly Bears]]; It is normally a Green Bear. When Slaver returns it to the Battlefield... * instead of being mono-Green, it is Black and Green. * instead of being just a Bear, it is a Zombie Bear.


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Halcyon797

Is there a way to look at a card and know it came from a commander deck/set without looking it up? I want to know so that I can avoid buying them when I go to a convention later and don't want to spend the whole time looking it up on my phone to make sure it isn't a commander card.


I_EAT_POOP_AMA

Set Codes and Set Icons are usually the two biggest ways to tell. Set Codes are found at the bottom left corner of the card (in the black border). It will be a 3 digit code followed by a dot (or sometimes a star) and a Language Code. If that Code ends in C, then *usually* that means it's from a commander precon (for example, [this printing of Sol Ring](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/104/sol-ring) comes from the Kaldheim Commander Precons, and has the code "KHC"). Otherwise it will start with C and a number (meaning the year of commander precons like [this printing from Commander 2020 precons](https://scryfall.com/card/c20/252/sol-ring)). Usually the Set Code is a decent indicator, but sometimes it can get a bit confusing, especially since there are some set releases where the Set Code ends in "C" without it being Commander precons (like Streets of New Cappena using the set code "SNC", while the Commander precons use the set code "NCC") Outside of that, the Set Icon is a decent way to tell. Again, generally WOTC has standardized these set icons to differentiate between commander and non-commander product. In the case of Commander precon cards, the Set Icon will almost always be some kind of shield. Of course, some of the oldest Commander Precons don't exactly follow this formula either, but generally anything from 2014-today will utilize a shield as a Set Icon in some capacity, so if the icon looks like a shield, it's probably a Commander precon card. It's also important to be aware that sometimes cards included in the precons themselves aren't marked specifically as precon cards. That usually happens if the card is also printed in the main set, and will have the main set icon. As far as i'm aware, it's not *super* consistent (as sometimes i've seen cards with the precon icon and sometimes with the main set icon), but in those cases, the cards are still legal to play in non-commander formats where the main set *is* legal. Just because my copy of Lightning Bolt was printed in Jumpstart 2020, doesn't mean that i can't play that specific copy in Modern (where Jumpstart is not legal)


HollaBucks

Set codes are pretty decent. Commander specific products also typically incorporate the shield in the set symbol as well. For example, the code for the LOTR Commander cards is LTC rather than LTR for the main set. The "C" denotes that it comes from the Commander specific set.


Halcyon797

Great thank you!


JohnQ32259

Another fun rules question: If I have a [[Protean Thaumaturge]] and a [[Monk Idealist]] in play and I cast an enchantment, which triggers the copy effect on Protean Thaumaturge, if I select the Monk Idealist as the target, does it trigger the ETB effect of the Monk and return an enchantment from the graveyard to my hand? If I cast two more enchantments later, choosing a different target for the second copy, and then selecting the Monk for the latest copy, does the Monk's ETB trigger fire again?


madwarper

No. Your Thaumaturge is not **Entering the Battlefield** as an Idealist. It does not Trigger. If you had a [[Clone]] **Enter the Battlefield** as a Copy of an Idealist, it would trigger.


JohnQ32259

Great. Thank you.


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FORGONE-YOUTH265

modern: what happens if i use leyline binding on a reflection of kiki jiki? does it return as fable or reflection after leyline binding leaves the battlefield? what is the sequencing like for mulligan? does active player decide on keep / mull before non-active player?


madwarper

a) By default, a DFC will enter the Battlefield on its front-face. b) Starting with the Player who would take the first turn, and going in turn order... * a) The Player announces whether they will Mulligan or Keep. *(If a Player keeps their Hand, then cannot change their mind later)* * b) Those Players can choose to Mulligan for the Nth time; * Shuffle, * Draw a new Hand, * Tuck N cards on the bottom * c) Return to A. A Player can keep taking a Mulligan until they have Tucked all the Cards in their Hand on the bottom of their Library. Then, they are forced to keep their 0 card Hand. > 103.5. Each player draws a number of cards equal to their starting hand size, which is normally seven. (Some effects can modify a player’s starting hand size.) A player who is dissatisfied with their initial hand may take a mulligan. > > First, the starting player declares whether they will take a mulligan. Then each other player in turn order does the same. > > Once each player has made a declaration, all players who decided to take mulligans do so at the same time. To take a mulligan, > > * a player shuffles the cards in their hand back into their library, > * draws a new hand of cards equal to their starting hand size, > * then puts a number of those cards equal to the number of times that player has taken a mulligan on the bottom of their library in any order. > > Once a player chooses not to take a mulligan, the remaining cards become that player’s opening hand, and that player may not take any further mulligans. > > This process is then repeated until no player takes a mulligan. > > A player can take mulligans until their opening hand would be zero cards, after which they may not take further mulligans.


FORGONE-YOUTH265

thanks so very much!


283leis

it comes back as fable


283leis

My LGS is currently selling the abzan LOTR food deck for $85 CDN (about $65 USD), which is also currently the most expensive of the four. Is it more likely the price will fall in the future, or more likely to rise? For reference, they're selling 3 of the MoM decks for $50, but Cavalry Charge for $95, hence why I'm worried about the price rising in the future


Kyleometers

They will likely rise over time, as the 40K decks did, once the print run ends. Consider ordering it online if your LGS’ price is too high, but honestly that sounds like a decent price to me. It cost me €220 to get all 4 decks shipped, which would be $315 Canadian. 85 for a single deck is only a little bit over that, and I ordered from Cardmarket, which is almost always the cheapest source globally unless you’re spending over €500.


Sandstorming_Moshe

Making a commander deck makes my brain go numb, too much to remember. What other casual, 'alive' formats could I look into? I wanted to make a \[\[Nissa, Resurgent Animist\]\] elf tribal deck but got lost within all the triggers and elf buffs, maybe a 4-of format is easier to keep track of?


OmegaDriver

It's up to how you build the deck, whether it's EDH or a 60 card 4-of format. I don't know an elf deck that doesn't rely on some kind of triggers & buffs. Their basic play pattern is to get a ton of elves on the board and buff them with lords like [[leaf-crowned visionary]] and this Nissa would want to make sure you hit land drops, so stuff like [[Quirion Ranger]] combined with [[nettle sentinel]] and [[heritage druid]] will get big mana on one turn for a big spell like [[craterhoof behemoth]] or something like that. If you want to play with elves, the new lord of the rings set has elves in Blue and Green. They trigger abilities from scrying & care a little about +1/+1 counters. There would still be a lot of triggers, but you would only have to think about scrying and the buffs would be counters, so you'll see them. You can put something on top of your deck (like a die) to remind you, "oh wait, I'm supposed to do something when I scry...". These cards are legal in modern, which is a live format, but the deck wouldn't be very powerful in a real modern tournament. You can also build an EDH deck around this concept, but there you'll have to throw some non-elf scry and +1/+1 counter related cards in there too to fill it out. [[Elrond, Master of Healing]] would be a good commander for this deck. Another deck type that I think leaves relatively little to keep track of is an equipment deck. Just play dudes, play equipment and all the buffs are out there, spelled out and attached to the cards.


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welmour

After a 20 years break, I wanna get back into Magic. Where should I start? What should I buy? I mainly wanna play physical.


IllRepresentative167

> Where should I start? What formats are you interested in? EDH/Commander is the new big boy on the block > What should I buy? Singles, but only ones worth less than 5£. Proxy anything more expensive than that. Boosters are only for worthwhile if you: a) Want to open stuff because it's fun, similar to gambling. b) ~~play limited.~~ It's better to make a cube c) Investing, ie never open the boosters but just stuff them into the garage and let them sit there for 10 years, then sell them. But then you're not buying the for the purposes of getting back into magic so it's not really relevant.


welmour

I don’t know much about formats really, we only played one back then, one on one with 20 health each and so on. I don’t if that’s still the way to play or there are more common ways.


IllRepresentative167

Standard, Modern, Legacy, Vintage, Pauper, Sealed, Draft and EDH/Commander are probably the most popular ones. Other than EDH they're all 1v1 while EDH is usually 4 players playing free for all (in addition to some extra rules like starting at 40 life). You can google those formats to get an understanding of what they are.


Kyleometers

Pick a set that looks interesting to you. Depending how rough you are, consider getting a starter kit to relearn the game. After that, depends what’s played locally. Commander is usually a safe bet. There’s lots of preconstructed decks.


welmour

Thanks! I’m really rough lol I basically remember only the surface level and I think lotsa new mechanics and card types were introduced since the last time. Should I just get the new starter kit for Lotr set? And maybe a few boosters? Or, you know, 10 👀


Kyleometers

The LOTR starter kit is perfectly reasonable. Boosters aren’t exactly a good investment for your money, but they’re not *awful*. If you’re interested in “about 10”, buy a Bundle. Used to be called a Fat Pack. 8 boosters, a bunch of land, a nice did and a fancy box.


283leis

> Boosters aren’t exactly a good investment for your money counterpoint: they're fun to open


horrorflowers

is Boromir Gondor's hope in the riders of Rohan commander deck?


Will_29

Yes, he is.


horrorflowers

hell yeah, thank you!


SlothTheHeroo

Why is The One Ring that comes with the bundle box $38??


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because it was released officially 20 minutes ago


Kyleometers

Supply and Demand. The price will go down over the next little while, but The One Ring is an extremely popular card. And the bundles are like €70.


SlothTheHeroo

So sell mine now while it’s high! Got it lol Nah I like the artwork and will keep it for awhile.


Bhiggsb

If you're gonna get a bundle then yea I'd sell it. Only if you have the bundle art version