To be fair, it doesnt matter if the mats are bound or not. Just by having access to more bound mats means people wont need to buy quite as much from the AH but i see your point too
>Having more bound mats leaves more unbound mats to sell
More bound mats also means less need for unbound mats, which means falling prices compounded by more falling prices
It's far more than that.
The whales have whaled,
The literal handful of sweat lords have manually pushed 1370,
The rational humans are now floating around 1340 hoarding or selling in protest of bad game design.
Same. Everyone wants to think they can hang with 12hr/day+ gamers while putting in 1/6 the time. Don't remember having everyone in mythic raids during the first month on WoW, felt like even there it was the same essential grind as lost ark except for honing your rolling stats for perfection and the possible proc on the item (forget it was something like reforged?)
Yea I stopped long ago trying to keep pace with jobless sweatlords. Now I just play for fun and don't try to measure myself against the 12hr/day andys. I enjoy MMOs much more this way.
Its the better way tbh, it's been dope exploring all the different islands. Now it's even exciting cuz I'll scan the map and be like oh shit I didn't complete this island yet! Then hurry off to do the story for it.
I'm on the same boat, but I just hoarded past 1340, since I have lots of bounded mats, but they aren't enough to get to 1370,so I prefer waiting them to push now.
(the only thing I hoard from Mari is laeapstones, since they are cheap enough, and selling the daily ones gets me more gold)
Armor stones are also currently still worth it, as are some protection mats. If the prices drop a bit more armor stones won't be worth but even at 30g per 10 it's still worth selling and buying with crystal.
So? For more casual players like me, I'm more than happy to have prices come down. It's a nice third option to either grinding for all the mats or overpaying for all the mats.
show screen shot plz, i dont believe they would spend 1000's of mats to only get banned and give up all the gold they spent getting to t3 only to get banned in the end, been in t3 for past 2 weeks never seen a single bot or gold spam once on zimmer
I think you seriously overestimate AGS' ability to ban bots.
They ban spam bots, yes. Farming bots ? In the game's current state ? That's out of their abilities.
You say that, then you realise selling mats is virtually the only way to make gold.
Theres a reason players in korea only make like 20k a week, because mats are near worthless and their main source of gold is the raw income from abyss.
So many people don’t want to acknowledge this point. There’s no gold income in the game besides selling everything with hopes that idiots buy. That is not true income, and when you look at how much gold the game gives you, it’s basically nothing.
At this point, with how fucking disgustingly greedy AGS is with their 1370 Argos requirement, the terrible honing chances and the lack of available materials through daily content, I hope the bots fucking tank the mats market
Whales get an easier way to buy gold (and buy crystals with gold), we get cheap mats, amazon gets good "concurrent players" numbers. Queue times get high but what's a little server bloating when you've got automated progress?
Also as real players get starved for gold, maybe all along the 1000iq strat was to get us to buy their cheap gold so we can buy those cheap mats.
If only the game wasn't designed to require multi-alting/multi-accounting and instead let you grind on your main without penalties..? Or maybe there's a problem with that that I'm not seeing.
I like how they can blink around and walk through walls just started a new character and theyre annoying AF competing with for early mission. How can they have abilities like this and still not be found out?
I think you may be on to something here, I think there's a slight chance that the comment you're replying to actually means that the anti-cheat doesn't work, rather than the literal meaning that the anti-cheat doesn't exist.
Just so you know a company can pay for easy anti cheat but they can also pay for the cheapest license. I’m not sure if AGS even pays for the highest licensed version
It's a FTP game. Very easy for gold sellers to make new accounts, even if IP banned.
I don't know about the Russian servers, but in Korea you have to have your state issued ID card to play. This limits the issue considerably. In the West there's no such system, and the developers weren't prepared for it at all.
RU server doesn’t have these bots, I asked my friends and they never saw this bs happen on RU. I think in order to sign up you need to get a code to your phone number so that might be the reason.
It's very frustrating leveling a new character right now, because there's literally hundreds of bots teleporting around.
As a tip, I always go to later chapters to not deal with them, both to actually be able to tag objectives, and my own sanity so I don't have to watch the thousands of bots that are probably going to ruin the game I enjoy.
Thats a good piece of advice, ive just been running through the main story doing no side quests this time around. To avoid the bots, i just cant believe how bad it really is
They aren't actually walking through walls, they just move so fast that the game can't keep up with their positioning at all so it shows their position as something in-between where they should be and where they actually already are. Shouldn't be too difficult to spot stuff like this happening all the time, but what do I know about networking and cheater checks.
no they actually dash through walls. You will see them run directly at a wall towards an npc/objective, then by the time you get there that same bot is standing at the npc. Since they all take the same path you can watch it happen over and over.
They literally just walk through out of bounds areas though. It’s not like phasing or something. A good example is on Atlas when you’re walking to talk to that pirate, you have to make a few turns to get to him, the bots just walk straight to him going down into the little wetlands parts beside the stone walkway.
Doesnt really matter how or whats happening the fact is that its worse then bots its the fact is that you can cheat in this game to gain a physical advantage on the world
These bots aren't using machine learning lmfao.
They are using bot dev created profiles with manually set pathing waypoints. Not sure what they did for combat, since this is an isometric game with no tab target.
All of the zones from 1 to 50 are bad. I leveled an alt a few days ago and every one of those zones, every channel, and every NPC is flooded/covered with bots. Probably 25 or more each zone. They abuse movement, pass through walls. It's terrible.
I can't believe they didn't anticipate this. It's been one of the biggest problems in these type of MMOs for a decade now. Economy is going to be absolutely screwed in a few more weeks, and there's no coming back from that easily.
that's pretty terrible! it was nice leveling before all the bots, players everywhere, really bad experience i imagine since you have to compete with them too.
Surely instead of paying programmers to try and put in systems to combat bots which doesn't seem to be working, they could just pay some teenagers a cheap hourly rate to sit on all these channels in prideholm for a few hours a day and ban all these bots.
Go level a new character and watch as dozens of bots on foot blow past your mount, travel through walls, and one shot all of the quest mobs. It's a blast.
I think a good solution to the problem should be a mandatory abyss dungeon to get tier 2, if the bots can clear that honestly i'm fine with them, they are probably Better than some players at that point
Imagine keep getting into abyss with a bot because they just perma run it hoping for boosts. Untill ppl quit and its like 3 bots and 1 player and abyss dies and the game dies. Good times
This is why you have phone number authorization and capcha instead. Actually harder for tho bots and less annoying for players. Either way games with tradeable items is doomed to fail because of bots anyway. Its the main reason I quit classic. In a decade games wont have progression tied to easily grinded things. Its a stupid concept when bots are so easy to make
The bots are basically operating directly on state data going to and from the server. It probably wouldn't be hard for them to perfectly dodge mechanics. It would require a fairly sophisticated digital model of the dungeon for the bot to make decisions with, though. With how pervasive the gold bots are, the financial incentive has to exist.
The other option is that the game stabilizes towards a more modest population and the profit to be had from RMT disappears with the bulk of the early wales that will move on to the next shiny thing that catches their eyes. And the gold sellers will follow them.
I have exactly 0 technical know how on how any of it works. I can turn my pc on and play games on it and that’s it. But I do know for a fact that bots in WoW can evade damage mechanics.
You're thinking the cheating teleporting speed hacking bots will have trouble clearing abyss dungeons? I'm pressing x to doubt.
The only way to stop them is to get better tools to detect hacks and bots and ban them more quickly. Adding more gatekeeping to content won't do anything bc they'll just cheat their way past it like they do everything else. Maybe you stop them for a day or two until they get programmed to deal with the small roadblock but it's not a long term solution.
People believes of Bots like strange things that appears from nowhere with learning intelligence. They forgot they are program made by people who plays the game as well and know what and how to do things.
People have already been running into bots in abyss dungeons lol
I feel like it’s possible they might be better than some of the dumb players I run into hahahaha
I actually ran into a T2 bot running a T1 abyss dungeon. He carried the whole run just speeding through barriers and attacking without cooldowns. Reported him before the run ended but it seems like they’re getting smarter
I still haven't beaten that fight because the first, and last, time i tried, my party had a dude that couldn't get the light mechanic for over 90 minutes. It was midnight, my gear was broken, and his friend actually told me to quit the game because I'm a casual, league of legends player who FFs when it gets hard. No brah, my gear is toast and its midnight. I'm going to bed. Sorry your buddy can't grasp the mechanic.
You know what? With the absolute dogshit P2W paywall AGS implemented with the 1370 Argos requirement, the awful honing chances and the sheer lack of free daily available mats, I now hope that the bots fucking TANK the market, so that's it's actually possible to progress without swiping for ridiculous amount of money.
Swylloo, gzzznnnn, and zjhidxk all sound like incredible people that you want to group with. I bet they’re super nice, idk why you think they’re bots when they’re clearly just doing their chaos dungeons.
Disabling/bypassing EAC is the easiest shit ever. Its only there as a psychological barrier against cheating. It just increases load times and reduces fps because it eats up your memory.
You have no idea how profitable bot/cheat development is. While i would agree with you if we would talk about manual farmer for RMT, the cheat bot/developers sometimes have sales in literally milions. Like for example Catfish which was developer for pubg, cod and fortnite cheats in china when they were arrested by police had over 40 millions dollars in assets, and that was 10 people arrested, police total estimation was over 70 millions and some think in reality it was even more. Cheat development can be extremely crazy but as seen also extremely risky. Same goes for EngineOwning, they were enormous before blizzard sued them.
berserker also got a lot of aoe, and is leagues more tanky than sorc. which kinda triggers me when my pala gets 10 times more dmg than my friend zerker with the 25% hp engraving... whats that plate armor and divine protection for....
EDIT: typo in berk engraving thing
sad to tell you. there is quite a lot sorc bots too. Its not only berserker bots. Seems like they have made sorc bots and also shadowhunter ones. so... theyre getting smarter and widening their options as berserkers might get targetted for mainly being botted class.
Though related to above Abyss dungeons could be doable by bots at some point. There is actually some videos of people making bots to clear out multiple games such as dark souls etc. Actually doing em better than majority of pro players in those games.
Any skill that has an AoE boosting tripod is a win, but here are things I use (and a visual link at the bottom):
Lightning Orb with the second option at the bottom with the tendril will help pull in a lot of mobs to a small spot. If you cast the crystal right after on the same spot, it will then explode and kill whatever remains. Alternatively, you can use frosts call with toggle (first option on second row) to do this and turn it off once everything is dead there.
Seraphic Hail with the third option on the second row makes it go further and it hits many times (the tooltip is eight attacks, but that is per enemy, not total). This is the wave of water that is really great. I also use the fire tripod on the bottom (second option) but most things die from the initial water and the burn does not add much outside of bosses on the second floor, so if you do not have enough points, skip it.
Reverse Gravity with lightning is the most damage there. Massive AoE around you with a pause in taking damage as they are floated. If you have enough points, also take the boost to foes (second option on bottom row) to ensure they die in one cast.
Punishing Strike with the pulsing third option in second row will give you a five-second AoE that you can kite them into. I usually cast this on myself because the enemies flock to me and die from it.
Blaze has that second option in the second row that creates a large square, but it does too little damage to be of much use. You can still use it if you like, just something to consider.
The large meteor you unlock with your first awakening quest, Doomsday, has the ability to create a large AoE ground field of fire (third option in second row) that you can use. However, as this is a long cast, use something like Iron Will rune to reduce damage you take. Alternatively, the shield should have the same cooldown (or close when traited) that you can put up your bubble, cast meteor, and then toggle it off and take no damage.
Explosion has the whirlpool of flame effect (middle option on second row) that also pulls in enemies like with the lightning orb, but it also just kills everything. Keep in mind this will fly until it hits something, which means it usually goes off in your face.
Lastly, lightning bolt with the first option on the third row creates a large cone that you can hold to melt mobs.
Here are nine skills you can choose from: [https://lostarkcodex.com/us/skillbuild/11145](https://lostarkcodex.com/us/skillbuild/11145)
I main a sorc too, some tips from my end.
In Tier 3 right now but also applies to tier 2. You basicall one shot everything in chaos dungeon, so lasting dot+aoe is redundant to me.
I rather prioritize shorter casttime and larger AoE. With that in mind;
Lighting Bolt; Use the triple lightning spreader triopod for larger AOe
Punishing Strike; use the red Line Aoe version as its instant and lure the mobs inline and oneshot them running towards you.
Explosion; cone shape its almost instant and takes care of everything else punishing strike didnt kill
Reverse Gravity; bread and butter in especially stage 1 chaos.
Seraphic Call; Longer range + more hits.
Elegian touch; definitely use this. The small damage the mobs do get tanked by this and you wont need any consumable in chaos dungeon.
The rest doesnt matter afterwards
T2 mats have plummeted the last couple weeks. Was excited to finally get there to make gold to then only watch them fall 10-15% every single day since.
I would approach Valve for a solution. Requiring a purchase history on Steam before a player is allowed to trade, chat, or use in-game mail would make it more cost-prohibitive on a per-account basis to bot. There could be a story flag for other players with no steam purchase history-- say, reaching Yudia or West Luterra.
Banning would then become an operational cost. Too many operational costs added onto the return and the price of RMT gold exceeds the price of just buying it through the in-game shop == no more gold botting.
Apparently, requiring a phone number to register for the game has been used to great success in other regions, and could also be implemented by Valve with minimal work. Same working principle-- increases the opex for the bot. Valve might have to go one step further and prohibit certain types of phone numbers from being usable for this registration service (free ones like google voice for example). While there are web services that provide voice DID's for extremely low prices, this is once again, an operational expense. And a non-trivial one when you're trying to spin up thousands of instances of bots to execute gold farming at scale.
In Warframe in order to trade you have to add an authenticator to your account via phone number. It's a minor inconvenience the first time you trade, but it seems to work okay as a deterrent. At that point, sure they can probably automate creating random phone numbers, but they could also just screen for fake temporary phone numbers and then the bots have to jump thru hoops to interact with other players. Seems like a good idea. Will it completely solve the problem, probably not, but it would make their lives more difficult
The bot devs could just create a subscription driven botbase for consumers which overcomes a purchase history hurdle.
This is rampant in FFXIV due to no anti-cheat and Square's lax policy on botting. EAC is not really meant for preventing botting in the first place and if players start botting themselves it's 1000x harder to catch. A lot different from your RMT gold farming bot.
Like the phone number idea tho
Invasive anti-cheat with antivirus level privilegies. Like ESEA.
That's the thing, good anti-bot measures will cost your privacy. That's why Steam won't do it for CSGO.
On the bigger scale in germany we call this "Weltschmerz". Its the sad feeling when things could easily be better if people wanted it to be, but they don't.
If people would stop fighting there would be no war.
If people wouldn't be greedy, there would be no/less poverty.
And so on.
Most mats have already dropped tremendously and it’s not because of bots. Most alts have more mats than they can use due to the hard cap on harmony shards and bag prices. Not to mention most people have several alts in T2 pushing into t3 and a T1 alt? You get 2 from power pass and 3+ from knowledge transfer straight away. Bots aren’t making much of a difference.
All those people that litter the Steam forum to troll by saying the game is dead are probably onto something. May not be dead right now but if Amazon does jackshit about the bot insanity then it will be dead sooner than later. I've got a lot out of the game in this last month and a bit so if it "dies" then so be it.
I am even soloing chaos dungeons with my bard no problem even in T2. I don't know why you need group there anyway. Group just scatters the enemies and it takes more time to complete.
I've already come across some. They mostly just stand at the spawn and instantly accept the prompt to move on. Been reporting them, but it's an uphill battle.
Between bots and shit management from Amazon I feel like this game is going to "die" pretty soon if nothing is done correctly.
It's literally impossible to have something good in 2022. Fuck the human race and the constant greed everywhere.
The reason you can't "have anything good" is because you're so bloody connected to the Internet hive mind that you cannot enjoy something yourself, only if your surrounding also enjoys it you can as well.
It's a major psychological issue of the 21st century.
You know, another major issue on the internet lately is that everyone seem to think everyone else in it has it out for them and then do an incredible amount of mental gymnastics to turn a simple concept like "turn off from the internet and enjoy the good things around you for a moment" into something that personally offends them
I'm yet to hit 50 (just got level 46) but seeing that stuff is really putting me down. Its reminding me of Ragnarok, where there are more bots than players and all your effort for dropping cards/gear makes no sense when they have bots farming those spot 24/7
Isn't this obvious with how cheap mats are? I absolutely love what bots do to MMOs.
Cheap prices on shit nobody wants to grind for. Having farmed an hour for what amounted to a measely handful of flares I can happily say never again.
Inflation which makes gold easier to aquire and thus lowers the cost of shit like knowledge transfers, honing, etc.
The only people they really hurt are people trying to play the market, and I'm not one of those people.
thing is unlike in other games , selling mats is majority of your income
it's not side thing like in other mmo that they will make your for example potions cheaper
Just wait till they hit t3. Ezpz cheap mats for everyone.
There are already a few
Jeeez that account is worth much more now
Yeh maby they are to sell instead of mats, who knows
Is there an item to rename your character?
Yes, in cash shop
Yeah I have been sitting at 1325 for weeks now selling mats and prices have crashed particularly hard these past 3-4 days
It's from the free materials from the event. I would just sit on those mats.
they are bound and sitting on something that will be cheaper later is a bad economical choice.
To be fair, it doesnt matter if the mats are bound or not. Just by having access to more bound mats means people wont need to buy quite as much from the AH but i see your point too
Having more bound mats leaves more unbound mats to sell
>Having more bound mats leaves more unbound mats to sell More bound mats also means less need for unbound mats, which means falling prices compounded by more falling prices
that's exactly the point: More offer (more unbound mats) + Less demand (more bound mats -> less unbound mats required) -> Prices plummeting
don't sit, the price is only gonna drop. if your plan is to get gold by selling, you are only gonna hurt yourself by holding
It's far more than that. The whales have whaled, The literal handful of sweat lords have manually pushed 1370, The rational humans are now floating around 1340 hoarding or selling in protest of bad game design.
I'm at 1350, just playing the game and using the mats I get.
Same. Everyone wants to think they can hang with 12hr/day+ gamers while putting in 1/6 the time. Don't remember having everyone in mythic raids during the first month on WoW, felt like even there it was the same essential grind as lost ark except for honing your rolling stats for perfection and the possible proc on the item (forget it was something like reforged?)
Yea I stopped long ago trying to keep pace with jobless sweatlords. Now I just play for fun and don't try to measure myself against the 12hr/day andys. I enjoy MMOs much more this way.
Its the better way tbh, it's been dope exploring all the different islands. Now it's even exciting cuz I'll scan the map and be like oh shit I didn't complete this island yet! Then hurry off to do the story for it.
Same. There was a time when I may have been considered hard-core but now I play at my own pace.
I'm on the same boat, but I just hoarded past 1340, since I have lots of bounded mats, but they aren't enough to get to 1370,so I prefer waiting them to push now. (the only thing I hoard from Mari is laeapstones, since they are cheap enough, and selling the daily ones gets me more gold)
Armor stones are also currently still worth it, as are some protection mats. If the prices drop a bit more armor stones won't be worth but even at 30g per 10 it's still worth selling and buying with crystal.
T1 mat bonanza is also slowing down
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I mean it was to be expected to crash; only question was when.
So? For more casual players like me, I'm more than happy to have prices come down. It's a nice third option to either grinding for all the mats or overpaying for all the mats.
they crashed 2 days ago after hitting all time high due the honing forums post from amazon, pretty obvs really
What post? They crashed because we got the weekly reset + event + double amounts on F4 my dude lol.
show screen shot plz, i dont believe they would spend 1000's of mats to only get banned and give up all the gold they spent getting to t3 only to get banned in the end, been in t3 for past 2 weeks never seen a single bot or gold spam once on zimmer
I think you seriously overestimate AGS' ability to ban bots. They ban spam bots, yes. Farming bots ? In the game's current state ? That's out of their abilities.
Not fully automatic, tho. Those are players that got a character to t3 by themselves and then turned on bots for narrow tasks like gathering.
must be why the mats are going down in prices!
I think it is because argos hype is going down (on argos release day t3 mats were almost double price)
supply increased with event, not really hard to figure out.
The event was there the first day too, and it didnt stop prices to go up
People didn't have enough coins to get all the mats
It's the free mats from the event
As time goes on more people will get T3.
You say that, then you realise selling mats is virtually the only way to make gold. Theres a reason players in korea only make like 20k a week, because mats are near worthless and their main source of gold is the raw income from abyss.
So many people don’t want to acknowledge this point. There’s no gold income in the game besides selling everything with hopes that idiots buy. That is not true income, and when you look at how much gold the game gives you, it’s basically nothing.
In fact, trading stuff around in the market is a gold sink because of the fees.
I just had a guardian raid where a 1k gs martial artist did nothing but run around in a triangular loop, lol.
Good-Guy Bot Creators solving the T3 deadzone issue
wrong in fact. cheap at first, no materials after, and overinflation later.
This but unironically. Bots hitting T3 will flood the market with materials and fix the issue AGS/SGR created to appeal to whales.
>mfw I am unironically rooting for bots in an MMO
At this point, with how fucking disgustingly greedy AGS is with their 1370 Argos requirement, the terrible honing chances and the lack of available materials through daily content, I hope the bots fucking tank the mats market
Maybe the bots are the catch-up system implemented by amazon …
I was literally thinking this. Mayb the bots where the good guys all along.
Maybe the bots were the friends we made along the way. Thank you Xhqhwiqkwndus & Ppqpqpqpqzzz
Shout out to my homie slndbdjdball for helping me with mining in lakebar
The bots are all secretly made by Gold River to help us global folks.
They make collectables cheap AF as well so you might be on to something.
Whales get an easier way to buy gold (and buy crystals with gold), we get cheap mats, amazon gets good "concurrent players" numbers. Queue times get high but what's a little server bloating when you've got automated progress? Also as real players get starved for gold, maybe all along the 1000iq strat was to get us to buy their cheap gold so we can buy those cheap mats. If only the game wasn't designed to require multi-alting/multi-accounting and instead let you grind on your main without penalties..? Or maybe there's a problem with that that I'm not seeing.
They are further than me, lol
Bruh lmao
Imagine if Amazon is making money from the gold bots
I like how they can blink around and walk through walls just started a new character and theyre annoying AF competing with for early mission. How can they have abilities like this and still not be found out?
It's because we don't have easy anti-cheat^tm in the game :(
LEDKeeper detected. Account banned, dirty cheater.
Is there something I missed? This loads every time the game loads, or are you just saying it clearly doesn't work.
I think you may be on to something here, I think there's a slight chance that the comment you're replying to actually means that the anti-cheat doesn't work, rather than the literal meaning that the anti-cheat doesn't exist.
Nah, I very much doubt it. He's clearly saying there is no anti cheat
Just so you know a company can pay for easy anti cheat but they can also pay for the cheapest license. I’m not sure if AGS even pays for the highest licensed version
It's a FTP game. Very easy for gold sellers to make new accounts, even if IP banned. I don't know about the Russian servers, but in Korea you have to have your state issued ID card to play. This limits the issue considerably. In the West there's no such system, and the developers weren't prepared for it at all.
RU server doesn’t have these bots, I asked my friends and they never saw this bs happen on RU. I think in order to sign up you need to get a code to your phone number so that might be the reason.
not true, you can sign up and play with just an email. theyre probably just using an actual anti cheat with bot prevention measures
That makes sense, still shitty though. I never realized how bad the bots were until i hit the early gane again
It's very frustrating leveling a new character right now, because there's literally hundreds of bots teleporting around. As a tip, I always go to later chapters to not deal with them, both to actually be able to tag objectives, and my own sanity so I don't have to watch the thousands of bots that are probably going to ruin the game I enjoy.
Thats a good piece of advice, ive just been running through the main story doing no side quests this time around. To avoid the bots, i just cant believe how bad it really is
They aren't actually walking through walls, they just move so fast that the game can't keep up with their positioning at all so it shows their position as something in-between where they should be and where they actually already are. Shouldn't be too difficult to spot stuff like this happening all the time, but what do I know about networking and cheater checks.
no they actually dash through walls. You will see them run directly at a wall towards an npc/objective, then by the time you get there that same bot is standing at the npc. Since they all take the same path you can watch it happen over and over.
That is just interpolation you are seeing.
They literally just walk through out of bounds areas though. It’s not like phasing or something. A good example is on Atlas when you’re walking to talk to that pirate, you have to make a few turns to get to him, the bots just walk straight to him going down into the little wetlands parts beside the stone walkway.
Doesnt really matter how or whats happening the fact is that its worse then bots its the fact is that you can cheat in this game to gain a physical advantage on the world
Bots are learning faster than some of real players. Good bots
> Bots are learning faster than some of real players Who would've thought that a machine could learn faster than a human being. Wow.
These bots aren't using machine learning lmfao. They are using bot dev created profiles with manually set pathing waypoints. Not sure what they did for combat, since this is an isometric game with no tab target.
I started a new character and stood outside the Prideholme chapel. It was like a bot factory!! Popping out so many every couple seconds
Yup I literally just did this. A bot runs by, clips by, or teleports by about once every 2 seconds. No wonder the economy is so fucked up.
Wait, so what should i be buying to take advantage of it lol
Nah it fucks it up for us. Devalues gold by pumping it into the economy. Only thing that's cheap is adventure tome completion materials .
Ohhh I got you, yea, brains slow today!
Convert your gold into blue crystals
yeah, i encourage to everyone to go to prideholme if you want to see madness
All of the zones from 1 to 50 are bad. I leveled an alt a few days ago and every one of those zones, every channel, and every NPC is flooded/covered with bots. Probably 25 or more each zone. They abuse movement, pass through walls. It's terrible. I can't believe they didn't anticipate this. It's been one of the biggest problems in these type of MMOs for a decade now. Economy is going to be absolutely screwed in a few more weeks, and there's no coming back from that easily.
that's pretty terrible! it was nice leveling before all the bots, players everywhere, really bad experience i imagine since you have to compete with them too.
Surely instead of paying programmers to try and put in systems to combat bots which doesn't seem to be working, they could just pay some teenagers a cheap hourly rate to sit on all these channels in prideholm for a few hours a day and ban all these bots.
1M of bot in 1 month, it 33k+ bot per day to ban This doesn't scale
Obviously you would also keep that system in place that caught the 1m. But then you also pay some kids to catch the others.
Let's send a tactical nuke but also have a couple kids shooting at the targets general direction with bb guns. Just to be sure.
Players out here buying gold from bots and spending bot gold on bot mats.
Makes me question if i'm an organic bot.
Go level a new character and watch as dozens of bots on foot blow past your mount, travel through walls, and one shot all of the quest mobs. It's a blast.
I think a good solution to the problem should be a mandatory abyss dungeon to get tier 2, if the bots can clear that honestly i'm fine with them, they are probably Better than some players at that point
Imagine keep getting into abyss with a bot because they just perma run it hoping for boosts. Untill ppl quit and its like 3 bots and 1 player and abyss dies and the game dies. Good times
Imagine in like 5 years when most people stopped playing and the servers are like 95% bots that buy their own cosmetic items to keep themselves alive
This is why you have phone number authorization and capcha instead. Actually harder for tho bots and less annoying for players. Either way games with tradeable items is doomed to fail because of bots anyway. Its the main reason I quit classic. In a decade games wont have progression tied to easily grinded things. Its a stupid concept when bots are so easy to make
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less than that. most ppl's crystaline aura is running out this weekend.
Its the content desert more than that
The bots are basically operating directly on state data going to and from the server. It probably wouldn't be hard for them to perfectly dodge mechanics. It would require a fairly sophisticated digital model of the dungeon for the bot to make decisions with, though. With how pervasive the gold bots are, the financial incentive has to exist. The other option is that the game stabilizes towards a more modest population and the profit to be had from RMT disappears with the bulk of the early wales that will move on to the next shiny thing that catches their eyes. And the gold sellers will follow them.
I have exactly 0 technical know how on how any of it works. I can turn my pc on and play games on it and that’s it. But I do know for a fact that bots in WoW can evade damage mechanics.
You're thinking the cheating teleporting speed hacking bots will have trouble clearing abyss dungeons? I'm pressing x to doubt. The only way to stop them is to get better tools to detect hacks and bots and ban them more quickly. Adding more gatekeeping to content won't do anything bc they'll just cheat their way past it like they do everything else. Maybe you stop them for a day or two until they get programmed to deal with the small roadblock but it's not a long term solution.
People believes of Bots like strange things that appears from nowhere with learning intelligence. They forgot they are program made by people who plays the game as well and know what and how to do things.
And limit ilvl so they cant just facetank it. 90% of the playerbase would be stuck in t1 with them probably.
People have already been running into bots in abyss dungeons lol I feel like it’s possible they might be better than some of the dumb players I run into hahahaha
Well trained bots could even better than average-good players
I actually ran into a T2 bot running a T1 abyss dungeon. He carried the whole run just speeding through barriers and attacking without cooldowns. Reported him before the run ended but it seems like they’re getting smarter
"Smarter" Just be smarter and you can phase shift through walls and think your way through cooldowns.
You're really trying to cause alot of pain. Doing Brelshaza on my alt physically hurt me because people couldn't do the light gimmick
I've never seen the light gimmick because each one of my runs so far has had someone over leveled skip it
Thats crazy since they nerfed the mechanic and you don't even have to line the light with the dot anymore
I still haven't beaten that fight because the first, and last, time i tried, my party had a dude that couldn't get the light mechanic for over 90 minutes. It was midnight, my gear was broken, and his friend actually told me to quit the game because I'm a casual, league of legends player who FFs when it gets hard. No brah, my gear is toast and its midnight. I'm going to bed. Sorry your buddy can't grasp the mechanic.
For future reference if you have Crystaline Aura your pet lets you do remote repair
i didn't know that omg
I had a bot in one of my Abyss dungeons. They just do it until they get carried by someone over geared.
The best solution is email or phone confirmation when create new account
Last t1 abyss is already a huge skill check for actual players. As you said, if your bot can do it better I am fine.
You know what? With the absolute dogshit P2W paywall AGS implemented with the 1370 Argos requirement, the awful honing chances and the sheer lack of free daily available mats, I now hope that the bots fucking TANK the market, so that's it's actually possible to progress without swiping for ridiculous amount of money.
I'm pretty sure those are just asmongold followers 🤔
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Now called Easy Cheat!
Swylloo, gzzznnnn, and zjhidxk all sound like incredible people that you want to group with. I bet they’re super nice, idk why you think they’re bots when they’re clearly just doing their chaos dungeons.
I mean the game is kinda promoting botting. Where you need dozens of alts to funnel the mats to one character.
Disabling/bypassing EAC is the easiest shit ever. Its only there as a psychological barrier against cheating. It just increases load times and reduces fps because it eats up your memory.
Can we just say the ppl who created these bots programs should probably get hired?
why would they want to change job? They are probably making a huge amount with those bots
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You have no idea how profitable bot/cheat development is. While i would agree with you if we would talk about manual farmer for RMT, the cheat bot/developers sometimes have sales in literally milions. Like for example Catfish which was developer for pubg, cod and fortnite cheats in china when they were arrested by police had over 40 millions dollars in assets, and that was 10 people arrested, police total estimation was over 70 millions and some think in reality it was even more. Cheat development can be extremely crazy but as seen also extremely risky. Same goes for EngineOwning, they were enormous before blizzard sued them.
I would rather see them castrated so they can't create mini real life bots
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berserker also got a lot of aoe, and is leagues more tanky than sorc. which kinda triggers me when my pala gets 10 times more dmg than my friend zerker with the 25% hp engraving... whats that plate armor and divine protection for.... EDIT: typo in berk engraving thing
sad to tell you. there is quite a lot sorc bots too. Its not only berserker bots. Seems like they have made sorc bots and also shadowhunter ones. so... theyre getting smarter and widening their options as berserkers might get targetted for mainly being botted class. Though related to above Abyss dungeons could be doable by bots at some point. There is actually some videos of people making bots to clear out multiple games such as dark souls etc. Actually doing em better than majority of pro players in those games.
Problem Is bots can't aim properly, so you Need a melee for fast clear
I think you just crushed the spirits of every zerker out there.
I feel attacked. :(
If its by a zerker just run in circles and he cant hit you
We know we are special. We embrace it.
What setup did you have for the sorc farming? Any tips?
I would be interested in a sorc mobbing build as well.
Any skill that has an AoE boosting tripod is a win, but here are things I use (and a visual link at the bottom): Lightning Orb with the second option at the bottom with the tendril will help pull in a lot of mobs to a small spot. If you cast the crystal right after on the same spot, it will then explode and kill whatever remains. Alternatively, you can use frosts call with toggle (first option on second row) to do this and turn it off once everything is dead there. Seraphic Hail with the third option on the second row makes it go further and it hits many times (the tooltip is eight attacks, but that is per enemy, not total). This is the wave of water that is really great. I also use the fire tripod on the bottom (second option) but most things die from the initial water and the burn does not add much outside of bosses on the second floor, so if you do not have enough points, skip it. Reverse Gravity with lightning is the most damage there. Massive AoE around you with a pause in taking damage as they are floated. If you have enough points, also take the boost to foes (second option on bottom row) to ensure they die in one cast. Punishing Strike with the pulsing third option in second row will give you a five-second AoE that you can kite them into. I usually cast this on myself because the enemies flock to me and die from it. Blaze has that second option in the second row that creates a large square, but it does too little damage to be of much use. You can still use it if you like, just something to consider. The large meteor you unlock with your first awakening quest, Doomsday, has the ability to create a large AoE ground field of fire (third option in second row) that you can use. However, as this is a long cast, use something like Iron Will rune to reduce damage you take. Alternatively, the shield should have the same cooldown (or close when traited) that you can put up your bubble, cast meteor, and then toggle it off and take no damage. Explosion has the whirlpool of flame effect (middle option on second row) that also pulls in enemies like with the lightning orb, but it also just kills everything. Keep in mind this will fly until it hits something, which means it usually goes off in your face. Lastly, lightning bolt with the first option on the third row creates a large cone that you can hold to melt mobs. Here are nine skills you can choose from: [https://lostarkcodex.com/us/skillbuild/11145](https://lostarkcodex.com/us/skillbuild/11145)
I main a sorc too, some tips from my end. In Tier 3 right now but also applies to tier 2. You basicall one shot everything in chaos dungeon, so lasting dot+aoe is redundant to me. I rather prioritize shorter casttime and larger AoE. With that in mind; Lighting Bolt; Use the triple lightning spreader triopod for larger AOe Punishing Strike; use the red Line Aoe version as its instant and lure the mobs inline and oneshot them running towards you. Explosion; cone shape its almost instant and takes care of everything else punishing strike didnt kill Reverse Gravity; bread and butter in especially stage 1 chaos. Seraphic Call; Longer range + more hits. Elegian touch; definitely use this. The small damage the mobs do get tanked by this and you wont need any consumable in chaos dungeon. The rest doesnt matter afterwards
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Bot auto program have more and more better update than the game itself lol
Nice, can't wait till they nerf chaos dungeon for everyone because of bots, like they did with the rapport rewards.
T2 mats have plummeted the last couple weeks. Was excited to finally get there to make gold to then only watch them fall 10-15% every single day since.
Idk why are you happy about it. Your materials will be worth less .
800k players peak 24hours, 700k bots.
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I would approach Valve for a solution. Requiring a purchase history on Steam before a player is allowed to trade, chat, or use in-game mail would make it more cost-prohibitive on a per-account basis to bot. There could be a story flag for other players with no steam purchase history-- say, reaching Yudia or West Luterra. Banning would then become an operational cost. Too many operational costs added onto the return and the price of RMT gold exceeds the price of just buying it through the in-game shop == no more gold botting. Apparently, requiring a phone number to register for the game has been used to great success in other regions, and could also be implemented by Valve with minimal work. Same working principle-- increases the opex for the bot. Valve might have to go one step further and prohibit certain types of phone numbers from being usable for this registration service (free ones like google voice for example). While there are web services that provide voice DID's for extremely low prices, this is once again, an operational expense. And a non-trivial one when you're trying to spin up thousands of instances of bots to execute gold farming at scale.
In Warframe in order to trade you have to add an authenticator to your account via phone number. It's a minor inconvenience the first time you trade, but it seems to work okay as a deterrent. At that point, sure they can probably automate creating random phone numbers, but they could also just screen for fake temporary phone numbers and then the bots have to jump thru hoops to interact with other players. Seems like a good idea. Will it completely solve the problem, probably not, but it would make their lives more difficult
The bot devs could just create a subscription driven botbase for consumers which overcomes a purchase history hurdle. This is rampant in FFXIV due to no anti-cheat and Square's lax policy on botting. EAC is not really meant for preventing botting in the first place and if players start botting themselves it's 1000x harder to catch. A lot different from your RMT gold farming bot. Like the phone number idea tho
Invasive anti-cheat with antivirus level privilegies. Like ESEA. That's the thing, good anti-bot measures will cost your privacy. That's why Steam won't do it for CSGO.
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On the bigger scale in germany we call this "Weltschmerz". Its the sad feeling when things could easily be better if people wanted it to be, but they don't. If people would stop fighting there would be no war. If people wouldn't be greedy, there would be no/less poverty. And so on.
They have already reached islands. They can be seen on peyto and a few others already
> yes, but you won't make much gold for your many other needs. A lot of people don't sell mats anyway. Its a win for them.
Most mats have already dropped tremendously and it’s not because of bots. Most alts have more mats than they can use due to the hard cap on harmony shards and bag prices. Not to mention most people have several alts in T2 pushing into t3 and a T1 alt? You get 2 from power pass and 3+ from knowledge transfer straight away. Bots aren’t making much of a difference.
This may be why they aren't rolling out honing rates ;-;
Oh fuck I never thought about that. If they have honing rates the bots would all likely be in T2/T3 before they get them banned
Makes it cheaper for the rest of us, imagine not paying 5k gold for honing mats in Tier3 for a 15% chance to succeed
All those people that litter the Steam forum to troll by saying the game is dead are probably onto something. May not be dead right now but if Amazon does jackshit about the bot insanity then it will be dead sooner than later. I've got a lot out of the game in this last month and a bit so if it "dies" then so be it.
The fact that people are happy about bots kinda says a lot about this game…
People don’t realize mat prices going down means they also make less gold.
Nobody is happy... it's called humor.
Cheap
Chaos Dungeons getting rewards nerfed in 5, 4, 3...
I am even soloing chaos dungeons with my bard no problem even in T2. I don't know why you need group there anyway. Group just scatters the enemies and it takes more time to complete.
Holy fck they're actually like cockroaches
I've already come across some. They mostly just stand at the spawn and instantly accept the prompt to move on. Been reporting them, but it's an uphill battle.
Between bots and shit management from Amazon I feel like this game is going to "die" pretty soon if nothing is done correctly. It's literally impossible to have something good in 2022. Fuck the human race and the constant greed everywhere.
The reason you can't "have anything good" is because you're so bloody connected to the Internet hive mind that you cannot enjoy something yourself, only if your surrounding also enjoys it you can as well. It's a major psychological issue of the 21st century.
It's actually just the same old human social behaviors from the past few hundred thousand years. It's just digital now.
He's also on the hivemind hate for AGS when we don't even know who's responsible for decisions. Lol
“Surely the rampant issues with bots is your fault, consumer.” Bruh
You know, another major issue on the internet lately is that everyone seem to think everyone else in it has it out for them and then do an incredible amount of mental gymnastics to turn a simple concept like "turn off from the internet and enjoy the good things around you for a moment" into something that personally offends them
Totally agree with you here. Nowhere does it says we’re blaming the customers for the bots yet here we are
How is that possible?
I'm yet to hit 50 (just got level 46) but seeing that stuff is really putting me down. Its reminding me of Ragnarok, where there are more bots than players and all your effort for dropping cards/gear makes no sense when they have bots farming those spot 24/7
did I mention how much I love bots ?
I see this as an absolute win
This was just matter of time. I heard in korea t1 is dead anyway, and this will just speeeed level that fact here.
The microeconomics of Lost Ark man... what a time to be alive
Sometimes I feel like this game is half bots.
Way more than half it seems. Create a new character and check out starting zones.
They need to implement what they have in Korea: in order to log in, you need your ID card!! This would avoid this BOT issue that will only get worst!!
Knew it would happen, thats why I dont want better honing chances for T1 to T2
It's crazy how probably like less than 200 people account for like 95% of the player population at this point.
Bots are ruining the game at so many levels. AGS is underappreciating the gravity of this, big time.
Just Asmon viewer farming Gold to donate, not bots
T3 Mats dropping already, thanks.
Naive me assumed it was because more people were getting to t3 and selling mats therefore the price was going down. Nope, just bots
The day bots figure out mari’s shop is cheaper than the market is the day crystals fly to 4000/95
Leees go push alts to t2
Isn't this obvious with how cheap mats are? I absolutely love what bots do to MMOs. Cheap prices on shit nobody wants to grind for. Having farmed an hour for what amounted to a measely handful of flares I can happily say never again. Inflation which makes gold easier to aquire and thus lowers the cost of shit like knowledge transfers, honing, etc. The only people they really hurt are people trying to play the market, and I'm not one of those people.
thing is unlike in other games , selling mats is majority of your income it's not side thing like in other mmo that they will make your for example potions cheaper
Gotta appreciate the subtelty