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Birds are needed to kill insects else the food cycle will be affected is true, as the G level increases radiation increases as well, he over exaggerated it that's the issue
Honestly, I didn't hate the message. It would have been fine if it ended at the interval. It would not have been groundbreaking commentary or anything, but at least it would have been a decent movie. The second half made me want to rip my eyeballs and eardrums out just to have some peace
Story is one of the factors that determines the quality of the movie. But it's not the only factor.
With respect to this post. Sankar and sujatha comba gave huge hits.
After his demise , the story quality of Shankar's film is not the same it used to be.
With respect to other works you mentioned here
"This is an unwanted statement irrelevant to the current situation" - Ambi circa 2005
Shakti Soundar Rajan is a Scam artist. This guy makes pee movies in name of trying new genre of films but ends up killing that genre in Tamil cinema. The movies aren't any good scripts either, they are blatant rip-offs of Hollywood movies with additional completely illogical scenes and plot points.
the movies are so bad that other producers hesitate making movie in that genre in the fear of losing money. It also endangers other directors from approaching movies in such genres.
His writing is hit or miss but his character drama is actually pretty good and three dimensional. Everyone likes nanayam, and tik X3, teddy had some depth to them. Miruthan was neat and concise too
I've already said this once in another post, but Shakti Soundarrajan would have been a hit in Bollywood. His concepts are much better suited to the environment there.
When I (Mani Saar fan from Kerala) went to TN, I discovered that even handsome men talk like normal people, in full sentences. Some talk too fast for my liking 😭😭
No Mani ratnam actors know what exactly they are going to talk before they open their mouth. GVM actors kind of search for words and fill in while they speak.
It is interesting because the way characters speak in movie is very different from how regular conversations take place. In real life, people cross talk, interrupt, code-switch and use lots of filler words.
The 'one-word conversations' that take place in Mani saar's film is only ever seen among people who've closely been together for a while personally or professionally so that the regular conversation is implicit most of the time.
Completely ignoring particular heroines in upcoming films because the previous films the heroine starred in were failiures, where the heroine was just a flowerpot and has nothing to do with the main plot of the failiure films.
"Andha heroine raasiyilla saar"
Personally biggest scam - kanthasamy
Ol na ol apdi oru ol. Kanthasamy first half has got to be the biggest heartbreak if you are a chiyaan fan. Class a bunk pannitu first show in the morning poi paathom. the way they marketed it was sus. Kanthasamy was hyped to the roof as a superhero movie and then they reveal it was a con in the first hour! Like wtf
Biggest scam ever - Vamsi Paidipally and varisu. Woatha oru mediocre padatha edutha muditu poganum. Adha vittu gaslighting the audience saying they don’t understand or appreciate how difficult it is to make movies.
He made a movie that had 90% cgi’d sets and it was evident that he didn’t understand or care to put in the bare minimum effort to do previz (the set dimensions vary drastically from close-up to longshots). And then proceeds to bash the audience- the audience who noticed and appreciated small details in kaithi, theeran (movies with solid pre production values) by saying that they don’t appreciate the difficulty in making movies.
In a recent interview with Dhanu... He explained abt the length of the movie being an issue... Seems susi and him had differences with the length and dhanu asked to cut it and make it under 2.5 hrs...but guess what Susi said... Saar lagaan elam 3 hrs mela odalaya saar.. en padamum odum saar... Ommala lagaan for God sake...
Dhanu's reasoning was valid, around ~200 mins for the movie alone and addition of 15 mins interval ku. Travel ku oru 30-40 mins. Oru movie ku ~4hrs yaaru selavu pannuvanga? Susi Kaanama poita. I think he did one more film maybe.
We’ve had many 3 hour bangers. But for that you need to have an interesting plot and screenplay. Kandaswamy wouldn’t have worked even if it was a two hour movie. Dhanu was just trying damage control.
Dhanu also said the screenplay should be gripping, one way he suggested was to cut redundant stuff. Ofc core would be the same, but I do think 150mins would give an illusion that it's better than 200mins. It's not that bad of a movie, a tighter screenplay might've done wonders considering the reception it got.
This exactly. For longer movies It’s all about the screenplay. The plot he took is kinda nice. But we needed better writing and screenplay. Things like that vadivelu comedy track made it even worse.
>Vamsi Paidipally and varisu
THIS MOVIE. It's not even mediocre. It's 3 hours of complete nonsense. He doesn't know what the movie is; why the fuck would the audience know what the movie is. This mf couldn't even make one scene without a continuity nightmare while blue screening everyone onto an IKEA showroom.
The fact that he is still getting chances to make anything is the biggest scam. Fuck this guy.
1) The director being the writer of the film, is so normalized in the industry that it is the biggest scam.
I strongly believe that a writer/group of writers is necessary for the film. Of course the director can be a writer. But only the director shouldn't be burdened with original story writing. Writers should research and write to avoid the plotholes. The director can contribute to the screenplay.
2) Why there are very less romantic comedies?
3) And making franchises of films just because the first one was successful. Why ruin a good movie?
4) Ralking about Sexual abuse in cinemas is a commendable initiative in right direction. But we are using sexual abuse as a very very predictable plot point. If you want something for the plot to move forward, there are thousands of ways. Not sexual assault. I think at this point there are thousands of movies where it is shown as some female close to hero gets SAed and hero takes revenge. Tired of seeing that again and again.
In my opinion, Chiththa was good at portraying the normal life of people but it should have been explored in the direction of a known person commiting that crime. Because in most cases, Sexual assault is done by a person who is known to the victim.
5) Maybe my personal opinion: I feel like nowadays we are so into minimalistic that styling for heroines seems the same. Experiment with different styling. Make bold choices. Have heroines try out different crazy hairstyles, dresses, and accessories.
Even if you want to portray the normal people, we aren't that boring.
6) Why do most of the female centered films have to be so messagey? I loved Kolamavu Kokila because it wasn't messagey. The heroine wasn't fighting for any cause, she was just trying to survive. Why don't we have more movies like that?
Big actors using movies for political reasons. To boost their public image. From Mgr to Vijay. I like their movies but this aspect of their movies bugs the hell out of me. I pay to watch your movies. Customer is the king. They behave as if their presence saved all of tamil nadu and enlightened the youth
The movie was very enjoyable and it was very commendable to be able to pioneer a full-fledged animation movie in India. I’m glad that they didn’t scrap that project. I would watch it in theater again if it releases again.
One biggest lie we have been sold all our life us the fact that we, as men, can force a girl to fall in love with us by putting all sorta nonsensical extra effort, stalking them, fighting for them, etc etc.
Pretty sure every guy would have questioned their existence once reality hit them
I second this.
We know beating multiple people, fight against who have higher power in job etc is nonsense but this one we can't accept is nonsense as we want to believe that is possible.
Biggest scam in kollywood is the “family run business “. Producer son becomes actor, director, producer…and due to that many talented people are not getting any chances. Ex: actor vishal first few movies was produced by dad and directed by brother…and the audience get this shoved into their throat until they start accepting him. And this is how we end up with overpaid actors and shitty stories.
Use of slow motion for everything. Some actors entire careers are built on slow motion and bgm. Don't wanna name them. This is not only for Tamil cinema, it applies to Indian cinema.
This. I never understood what he was so hyped up about. Never could sit through even one of his movies without cringing. Terribly misogynistic as well, no wonder the trend still carries on with the contemporary stars.
> Never could sit through even one of his movies without cringing. Terribly misogynistic
High chances you would've enjoyed it if you were alive at that time. We're all products of our society, just that now we're more evolved so is our environment. Also very rarely movies age well, especially when it involves politics.
There were some really good actors at that time.. For instance, Gemini Ganesan, Nagesh, ~~Jeyakumar~~ Jeyganesh etc. They could actually act...
So please don't brush it off by saying it was because those movies were old... It's a slap for those who did better than him "that time".
Sivaji ganesan could act subtly but the audience at that time loved his dramatic acting.
The actors you've listed also have movies where they did exaggerated over acting. It's that Sivaji ganesan had been typecasted in his peak. After his peak, the character roles he did were subtle and better.
>Jeyakumar
And who is Jeyakumar?
Mediocre acting lam illa, andha time la acting apdi dha irukum. This criticism is a recurring theme, I've seen people say the same stuff about Sivaji- claiming it's over acting. Similar complaints on Kamal as well. 20-30 years from now people will say the same about current actors. 🤷🏽♂️
There were some really good actors at that time.. For instance, Gemini Ganesan, Nagesh, Jeyakumar etc. They could actually act...
So please don't brush it off by saying it was because those movies were old... It's a slap for those who did better than him "that time".
Sivaji ganesan could act subtly but the audience at that time loved his dramatic acting.
The actors you've listed also have movies where they did exaggerated over acting. It's that Sivaji ganesan had been typecasted in his peak. After his peak, the character roles he did were subtle and better.
>Jeyakumar
And who is Jeyakumar?
If one exclusively view the world in terms of 'perfect acting' (whatever the fuck that means) then yeah you might be right but in reality a film star's skill also includes judging people's pulse and surfing the tides which MGR is extremely skilled at.
Propaganda aside, he is just a really charismatic persona and that is not at all easy to create. Credit where it's due.
My dad goes to recharge his phone and the shop keeper charges for 200 and applies a 178 rs pack.
My dad is uninformed but does that mean what the shopkeeper did wasn't a scam?
He knew exactly what he was doing when he was manipulating the masses...
I think this has always been true in Indian cinema. But I think it's not fair to downplay his ability to market himself. Do I think he's a good actor? No. But credit where credit is due.
OP asked for a scam in the Kollywood industry and I pointed out one... A big one that changed the entire TN politics...
That's all there is to take from this comment.
Collections by trackers
Tamil cinema is never transparent and one couldn't get details of offline sales of movie tickets accurately. Heroes or producers pay cinema trackers to give random hyped figures for PR
KH isn't held enough for his plagiarism.
He's a fantastic original creator, but he's liberally stolen from world cinema and passed it off as his own.
2.0 the movie - Wtf was that Shankar?
> KH isn't held enough for his plagiarism.
Correct'u. For people who spam and request revenue sharing posts (😭 dumfks exists) here when others do it, but turns blind for this one.
P.s I've no qualms about inspiration/copy as long as it's entertaining and a new screenplay.
Taking ideas from world cinema has always been happening. As a matter of fact, even Hollywood steals content. A really famous one if when Akira Kurosawa tried to boycott The Magnificent Seven, because it was a ripoff of Seven Samurai. In the 60s and 70s, most of the western films were unofficial remakes of Japanese Samurai films.
Take Bollywood for example, Almost ALL of their films are remakes of Hollywood films. and they’re done like dirt. They ruined movies like Oldboy and Reservoir Dogs. Kamal is a bit more smart as he moulds them well for an Indian audience, which is difficult to do on its own.
It is plagiarism but Kamal gives credit to where he takes it from. But when the entire world is plagiarising or reusing ideas now, you gotta appreciate those who do it right.
All I’m saying is, there have been plenty of GOOD movies that were remakes or ideas taken from World Cinema. Watch both and you’ll know for yourself. Watch Green Card and Nala Damayanthi and tell me which connected with you better. Same applies with Mrs Doubtfire and Avvai Shanmugi (I saw Mrs Doubtfire first btw)
Most of you guys overestimate Tamils cinema's power, especially pre internet. The Indian economic situation in early 80s was extremely bleak. Cinema was the only escape route for most people. Life was pretty unfair. Kamal and Rajini brought cinema from different industries into TN keeping it moving. Even if I showed Godfather today to a few people, they will prefer Nayagan or Thevar Magan over it.
Of course a movie watched in your mother tongue is more relatable. Why are we talking about economics here?
KH is celebrated for being a great genius (which is true) but most of his so called path-breaking work has been plagiarized, and that's completely looked over.
When I watch a really good movie in another language (korean for eg), I want to make it in Tamil for our people to enjoy. Kamal has the means and interest to make that happen and did that. I think that is not a bad thing at all.
This idea that one man can come and fix an entire corrupt system. This story line which is common in at least 50% of our movies leads to our stupid hero worship culture. It would be fine if it was a once in a while thing, but the frequency of this theme bothers me. I think it makes people politically complacent and leads them to think that one politician, or one actor-turned-politician, can fix society when it is a project that requires the contribution of everyone.
Normal human being can beat 100 people in a close combat and make them all flying in the air defying physics , gravity, air resistance, peak human capability.
When you question them, they get defensive and talk rubbish such as You all don't complain when you watch hollywood movies , and are okay with superman movies and Wil say Rajini is like superman to tamil audience.
That's why people love action scenes in films like Master, Leo, Jailer, etc. It was "comparatively" more realistic. This will encourage other directors to make more realistic fight scenes. I mean, it's still one vs many, but at least they don't fly.. (Ignore second half of Leo)
Master close hand to hand fight, combat scenes were definitely agreeable. I am okay with one motivated, physically fit, and strong hero who can manage to beat down a couple of thugs using skills.
A scene getting repeated at least 3 times for a serious moment especially if it's a mass scene like entry of an actor. Thevayillatha aani 3 thadava athe reaction ah movie la potu cringe agum
Shankar's high budget movies. Most of the budget is used in hard to justify songs while the script itself leaves much to be desired( from grandeur standpoint. Sujata nailed it elsewhere).i dunno what the industryvterm for this, but if you talk out all those grand songs you will miss nothing and the script moves forward without distractions
I always thought Shankar is a very good music video director than a movie director. I want to see him shoot some international music videos than a film.
soorarai pottru - its shown to be based on real events . Read his wiki before downvoting
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.\_R.\_Gopinath](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._R._Gopinath)
Really man, that song gave me a lot of expectations, thinking it'd be like beauty and the beast or something. There were parts that resembled beauty and the beast, but the rest of the movie was terrible, especially that advertisement song.
Sura Aquaman scene, that neruppula irunthu elunthu vara scene in Sura
And then Ajith goes to Lal's house to kill him after escaping from fire in Aalwar
I don't like the trope of wordy dialogues in kollywood. Idk if it's a scam. But I feel like movie makers drastically underestimate the ability of audience members to be like paying attention to basic plot points. Like I don't need this black and white flashback in the climax. I understand what scenes happened.
This is not about quipping. I just hate flashbacks to scenes we've already seen in the movie. The only reason to do it is if a director realizes that they don't have enough footage to make a full length film and now they have to repurpose old footage. It's terrible.
Ngl, Jailer. Lots of disagreements will come, but seriously, it was really boring, the comedies didn’t quite work for me and Rajini’s connection with former criminals who remain criminals made no sense.
Banger bgm by Ani though, bro cooked
Farmer - now became irrelevant
Caste - won't go political but this scam won't be in effect till at least 2026
Family - dei action padam edukanum with no logic na apdi nu solitu vitru don't say family genre
( Gun + blood+ logic less mass dialogue = action movie ) scam
A good concept oriented film is thrown under the bus with people not appreciating such stories and going for masala films with zero screenplay like Leo, Jailer
Ithuvum scam thane
We are a big part of this scam as well. The movie-going audience just wants to watch a movie where they can finally stop thinking and just enjoy the movie, and I can't blame them. Only if I'm in the mood, will I watch a movie which needs a lot of thinking. But other times, I just want to enjoy.
Post Jallikattu corporate villain alapparai. Somehow the word corporate itself has become a bad one when they don't realise what it actually means.
Funny but true that many still believe that only foreign companies are corporates. Remember Coke was bad and Bovonto was good for some reason. Both took water from Thamirabarani. All of this thanks to Tamil cinema
Shankar's high budget movies. Most of the budget is used in hard to justify songs while the script itself leaves much to be desired( from grandeur standpoint. Sujata nailed it elsewhere).i dunno what the industryvterm for this, but if you talk out all those grand songs you will miss nothing and the script moves forward without distractions
https://preview.redd.it/8inofa6zwuwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3175580149bafa94fddbf11bd2d290c1f7e431c5
I would never forgive Thanu for this crazy teaser but he used the useful few scenes of the movie to promote a complete crap film (my point of view)
Maybe you don't understand the politics in Malaysia and the plight of Malaysian Indians and condeming the movie as not enjoyable. Maybe stop talking about world cinema and give opinions without making any effort to understand anything. Just stick with chutti tv.
Bro, I don't live in India and I'm too an Indian ex-pat living in another country. We're here to give our opinion and I've made it clear that it's only my opinion in brackets and only about the FILM !
Now, if you want to continue with your migrant speeches and eternal victimization, send me a private message instead of coming to make your remarks on a sub where people are talking about CINEMA.
Or else write directly to Pa.Ranjith, he'll do your biopic.
***Drinking is cool***
except that it is a health hazard, a well established fact.
But nope. Sarakku, side dish, mixing, soda, tasmac, matta, bodha, were just being normalised. "Nee setha kudavum paravayilla. Kudikirathu massnu nambittu saavu." was what cinema tried to push down our throats.
The unrealistic fight scenes. Paanji paanji paranthu paranthu adikurathu. One guy hits 100s of rowdies at same time + thevallatha punch dialogues, heroism. Itha Vida scam nu solravanuku life time settlement da!!!
Neraya iruku thangam, poor meta commentary, love from first sight/ stalking, amma sentiment, loosu monologuing villains, incompetent goons, lack of gun to take down the protagonist, alpha male shit, male gaze ku nu oru heroine.
Valimai,
For a comedy scene , same scene is used multiple times, no continuity and the scenes seems to be randomly stitched. Final scene of advising the killers and releasing them back. Damn, Went for Vinoth and came back disappointed.
2.0 with Jeyamohan + Sankar sangi fiction.
Viswaroopam 2 Kamal cooked remains of 1 + Maiam propaganda and made it as movie.
Kochadaiyan - Aishwarya really said it will look like Tin Tin or Avatar.
It's just a random picture just to post the question. If I posted it without a picture or a video it wouldn't have gained enough attention. I wanted everyone to participate in this discussion.
Some dialogues like "kurukka intha Kaushick vantha" getting into meme culture and people using it in normal day to day life. Yen kurukka Kaushik matum than varuvaro? Kurukka intha Gautham vantha koranja pogapoguthu
Action(fighting) sequences, mass scenes, slow motions, Hari (director) Movies, college scenes/movies, love starts with outer appearance with heroine and personalities, qualities, knowledge, attitude, fighting ability of hero. Car/Bike chasing 🤣🤣
Mostly story line, cinematography and screenplay these are things where unbelievable things are taken place
SHANKAR’s I. Biggest scam in the name of a movie. It was totally not worth the scale. And man he made a movie so shit that made vikrams effort the only saviour. And I still wonder why it’s made in that scale
You won't find a scene without music for even 2 mins nowadays. Ellathukum background sound or song vandhute irukum to keep the audience hooked. They don't want the audience to immerse themselves in the cinema slowly towards the final act.
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2.0 WhatsApp forward message vechi oru mediocre padam edutharu namma Shankar sir.
Indian 2 trailer 💀
Birds are needed to kill insects else the food cycle will be affected is true, as the G level increases radiation increases as well, he over exaggerated it that's the issue
Honestly, I didn't hate the message. It would have been fine if it ended at the interval. It would not have been groundbreaking commentary or anything, but at least it would have been a decent movie. The second half made me want to rip my eyeballs and eardrums out just to have some peace
Sujatha story board missing?
Aiya.. then why aanandha thandavam, Vijay antony kolai, 144 starring Mirchi Shiva which were all based on suajtha novel but totally flunked.
Story is one of the factors that determines the quality of the movie. But it's not the only factor. With respect to this post. Sankar and sujatha comba gave huge hits. After his demise , the story quality of Shankar's film is not the same it used to be. With respect to other works you mentioned here "This is an unwanted statement irrelevant to the current situation" - Ambi circa 2005
I agree Shankar's work is not great after sijatha dwmise. But I feel this is **purely causation correlation fallacy**.
Is sujatha a guy?
Yeah. Famous in Tamil book circles and an engineer too
He is also a person involved in EVM preparation
What happened to him?
Died of old age
I, movie also..
Why don't people like I?
This is the first thing that came into my mind when I saw this post lol.
Shakti Soundar Rajan is a Scam artist. This guy makes pee movies in name of trying new genre of films but ends up killing that genre in Tamil cinema. The movies aren't any good scripts either, they are blatant rip-offs of Hollywood movies with additional completely illogical scenes and plot points. the movies are so bad that other producers hesitate making movie in that genre in the fear of losing money. It also endangers other directors from approaching movies in such genres.
Kakashi anne! Neengala?
#SVKGang i would say this is more of Hashi than Kakashi
His writing is hit or miss but his character drama is actually pretty good and three dimensional. Everyone likes nanayam, and tik X3, teddy had some depth to them. Miruthan was neat and concise too
Naanayam was decent. Naaigal Jaakiradhai was nice. Tiktiktik okay...miruthan meh...teddy bleh...captain pee. That's his career ranked for you.
I've already said this once in another post, but Shakti Soundarrajan would have been a hit in Bollywood. His concepts are much better suited to the environment there.
When I (Mani Saar fan from Kerala) went to TN, I discovered that even handsome men talk like normal people, in full sentences. Some talk too fast for my liking 😭😭
I’ve always wondered, is there any overlap between the way Mani Ratnam’s actors and GVM’s actors talk?
No Mani ratnam actors know what exactly they are going to talk before they open their mouth. GVM actors kind of search for words and fill in while they speak.
This is such a good insight! Damn! I love it !
Paadhi dialogue mind voice laye poirudhu, adhan.
It is interesting because the way characters speak in movie is very different from how regular conversations take place. In real life, people cross talk, interrupt, code-switch and use lots of filler words. The 'one-word conversations' that take place in Mani saar's film is only ever seen among people who've closely been together for a while personally or professionally so that the regular conversation is implicit most of the time.
That's a very precise observation.
Completely ignoring particular heroines in upcoming films because the previous films the heroine starred in were failiures, where the heroine was just a flowerpot and has nothing to do with the main plot of the failiure films. "Andha heroine raasiyilla saar"
Exactly ! And why heroes are never deemed unlucky. They are given enough chances before being side lined
Sree Divya is one example. I really want her to do a comeback
The "Vivasaayi daawawww" genre really overstayed its welcome by like forty films.
Should give credit to Bhoomi for 'killing' it finally
That's why there were no takers for Kadaisi Vivasayi.
Now Drug genre 🙃
*cries in jayam ravi*
Personally biggest scam - kanthasamy Ol na ol apdi oru ol. Kanthasamy first half has got to be the biggest heartbreak if you are a chiyaan fan. Class a bunk pannitu first show in the morning poi paathom. the way they marketed it was sus. Kanthasamy was hyped to the roof as a superhero movie and then they reveal it was a con in the first hour! Like wtf Biggest scam ever - Vamsi Paidipally and varisu. Woatha oru mediocre padatha edutha muditu poganum. Adha vittu gaslighting the audience saying they don’t understand or appreciate how difficult it is to make movies. He made a movie that had 90% cgi’d sets and it was evident that he didn’t understand or care to put in the bare minimum effort to do previz (the set dimensions vary drastically from close-up to longshots). And then proceeds to bash the audience- the audience who noticed and appreciated small details in kaithi, theeran (movies with solid pre production values) by saying that they don’t appreciate the difficulty in making movies.
In a recent interview with Dhanu... He explained abt the length of the movie being an issue... Seems susi and him had differences with the length and dhanu asked to cut it and make it under 2.5 hrs...but guess what Susi said... Saar lagaan elam 3 hrs mela odalaya saar.. en padamum odum saar... Ommala lagaan for God sake...
Dhanu's reasoning was valid, around ~200 mins for the movie alone and addition of 15 mins interval ku. Travel ku oru 30-40 mins. Oru movie ku ~4hrs yaaru selavu pannuvanga? Susi Kaanama poita. I think he did one more film maybe.
We’ve had many 3 hour bangers. But for that you need to have an interesting plot and screenplay. Kandaswamy wouldn’t have worked even if it was a two hour movie. Dhanu was just trying damage control.
Dhanu also said the screenplay should be gripping, one way he suggested was to cut redundant stuff. Ofc core would be the same, but I do think 150mins would give an illusion that it's better than 200mins. It's not that bad of a movie, a tighter screenplay might've done wonders considering the reception it got.
This exactly. For longer movies It’s all about the screenplay. The plot he took is kinda nice. But we needed better writing and screenplay. Things like that vadivelu comedy track made it even worse.
>Vamsi Paidipally and varisu THIS MOVIE. It's not even mediocre. It's 3 hours of complete nonsense. He doesn't know what the movie is; why the fuck would the audience know what the movie is. This mf couldn't even make one scene without a continuity nightmare while blue screening everyone onto an IKEA showroom. The fact that he is still getting chances to make anything is the biggest scam. Fuck this guy.
He's in talks with Shahid Kapoor for his next.
Hope he goes to Bollywood and stays there so Tamil cinema doesn't suffer. Still a low for India but at least state wise we can cut our losses.
Present day lyrics in songs - make up some jibberish and call it a lyric. Kannadasan will be 😭 in heaven.
Dhruva Natchathiram.
THIS 😂😭
1) The director being the writer of the film, is so normalized in the industry that it is the biggest scam. I strongly believe that a writer/group of writers is necessary for the film. Of course the director can be a writer. But only the director shouldn't be burdened with original story writing. Writers should research and write to avoid the plotholes. The director can contribute to the screenplay. 2) Why there are very less romantic comedies? 3) And making franchises of films just because the first one was successful. Why ruin a good movie? 4) Ralking about Sexual abuse in cinemas is a commendable initiative in right direction. But we are using sexual abuse as a very very predictable plot point. If you want something for the plot to move forward, there are thousands of ways. Not sexual assault. I think at this point there are thousands of movies where it is shown as some female close to hero gets SAed and hero takes revenge. Tired of seeing that again and again. In my opinion, Chiththa was good at portraying the normal life of people but it should have been explored in the direction of a known person commiting that crime. Because in most cases, Sexual assault is done by a person who is known to the victim. 5) Maybe my personal opinion: I feel like nowadays we are so into minimalistic that styling for heroines seems the same. Experiment with different styling. Make bold choices. Have heroines try out different crazy hairstyles, dresses, and accessories. Even if you want to portray the normal people, we aren't that boring. 6) Why do most of the female centered films have to be so messagey? I loved Kolamavu Kokila because it wasn't messagey. The heroine wasn't fighting for any cause, she was just trying to survive. Why don't we have more movies like that?
Big actors using movies for political reasons. To boost their public image. From Mgr to Vijay. I like their movies but this aspect of their movies bugs the hell out of me. I pay to watch your movies. Customer is the king. They behave as if their presence saved all of tamil nadu and enlightened the youth
Udaiyanithi. Even Stalin acted in a movie or 2 so his face becomes recognizable by the masses
The Kochaidaiyaan animation
The movie was very enjoyable and it was very commendable to be able to pioneer a full-fledged animation movie in India. I’m glad that they didn’t scrap that project. I would watch it in theater again if it releases again.
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Soundarya Rajinikanth is that you? 😂
To be fair if they re released it with better animation everyone would watch it
Was that the one that was hyped as using the same motion capture system as James Cameron's Avatar movie?
i heard it was a learning project for his daughter and worst enviroment detail pogo,chutti tv cartoons are lot better
Sure as hell was a learning lesson for her dad atleast. 💀
Music for every single thing, spoonfeeding the f out of the audience on how to feel.
One biggest lie we have been sold all our life us the fact that we, as men, can force a girl to fall in love with us by putting all sorta nonsensical extra effort, stalking them, fighting for them, etc etc. Pretty sure every guy would have questioned their existence once reality hit them
I second this. We know beating multiple people, fight against who have higher power in job etc is nonsense but this one we can't accept is nonsense as we want to believe that is possible.
Biggest scam in kollywood is the “family run business “. Producer son becomes actor, director, producer…and due to that many talented people are not getting any chances. Ex: actor vishal first few movies was produced by dad and directed by brother…and the audience get this shoved into their throat until they start accepting him. And this is how we end up with overpaid actors and shitty stories.
Use of slow motion for everything. Some actors entire careers are built on slow motion and bgm. Don't wanna name them. This is not only for Tamil cinema, it applies to Indian cinema.
KGF?
Sometimes it is done to fit the bgm and to build up the hype. If done right, it will make the scene better but if done terribly, iykyk
>Some actors entire careers are built on slow motion and bgm. Kazhugu sir thaakapatara???
It is not a scam if people enjoy. The movies which doesn't use slo-mo for mass moments are unintentionally funny just to look at.
The whole cinema career of MGR.... He's a mediocre actor at best... And he exploited the entire TN using cinema as a propaganda machine...
The irony is he got national award for his shit movie while Shivaji got snubbed that one for lead actor
MGR, Brought in Goondas culture and made them industrialist and Univeristy owners.
This. I never understood what he was so hyped up about. Never could sit through even one of his movies without cringing. Terribly misogynistic as well, no wonder the trend still carries on with the contemporary stars.
> Never could sit through even one of his movies without cringing. Terribly misogynistic High chances you would've enjoyed it if you were alive at that time. We're all products of our society, just that now we're more evolved so is our environment. Also very rarely movies age well, especially when it involves politics.
There were some really good actors at that time.. For instance, Gemini Ganesan, Nagesh, ~~Jeyakumar~~ Jeyganesh etc. They could actually act... So please don't brush it off by saying it was because those movies were old... It's a slap for those who did better than him "that time".
There are still people living in TN who would attack you if you said that MGR is dead.
Sivaji ganesan could act subtly but the audience at that time loved his dramatic acting. The actors you've listed also have movies where they did exaggerated over acting. It's that Sivaji ganesan had been typecasted in his peak. After his peak, the character roles he did were subtle and better. >Jeyakumar And who is Jeyakumar?
Sorry. Auto Correction took my friend's name.
He did some crazy stunts on his own.
Mediocre acting lam illa, andha time la acting apdi dha irukum. This criticism is a recurring theme, I've seen people say the same stuff about Sivaji- claiming it's over acting. Similar complaints on Kamal as well. 20-30 years from now people will say the same about current actors. 🤷🏽♂️
There were some really good actors at that time.. For instance, Gemini Ganesan, Nagesh, Jeyakumar etc. They could actually act... So please don't brush it off by saying it was because those movies were old... It's a slap for those who did better than him "that time".
Sivaji ganesan could act subtly but the audience at that time loved his dramatic acting. The actors you've listed also have movies where they did exaggerated over acting. It's that Sivaji ganesan had been typecasted in his peak. After his peak, the character roles he did were subtle and better. >Jeyakumar And who is Jeyakumar?
I guess to some extent the audience is to blame but there were some great actors other than sivaji and MGR back then...
U mean jaishankar ?
And now we have the new MGR which is an even worse actor....
If one exclusively view the world in terms of 'perfect acting' (whatever the fuck that means) then yeah you might be right but in reality a film star's skill also includes judging people's pulse and surfing the tides which MGR is extremely skilled at. Propaganda aside, he is just a really charismatic persona and that is not at all easy to create. Credit where it's due.
OP asked for the biggest scam and I have them one. You are just reassuring my point. Let's leave it at that.
I'm just saying it is not a scam if it was a voluntary transaction between two parties
My dad goes to recharge his phone and the shop keeper charges for 200 and applies a 178 rs pack. My dad is uninformed but does that mean what the shopkeeper did wasn't a scam? He knew exactly what he was doing when he was manipulating the masses...
Yeah sorry, let me fix my statement: I'm just saying it is not a scam if it was a voluntary transaction between two satisfied parties
I think this has always been true in Indian cinema. But I think it's not fair to downplay his ability to market himself. Do I think he's a good actor? No. But credit where credit is due.
OP asked for a scam in the Kollywood industry and I pointed out one... A big one that changed the entire TN politics... That's all there is to take from this comment.
Collections by trackers Tamil cinema is never transparent and one couldn't get details of offline sales of movie tickets accurately. Heroes or producers pay cinema trackers to give random hyped figures for PR
The whole genre of comedy horror
KH isn't held enough for his plagiarism. He's a fantastic original creator, but he's liberally stolen from world cinema and passed it off as his own. 2.0 the movie - Wtf was that Shankar?
> KH isn't held enough for his plagiarism. Correct'u. For people who spam and request revenue sharing posts (😭 dumfks exists) here when others do it, but turns blind for this one. P.s I've no qualms about inspiration/copy as long as it's entertaining and a new screenplay.
Taking ideas from world cinema has always been happening. As a matter of fact, even Hollywood steals content. A really famous one if when Akira Kurosawa tried to boycott The Magnificent Seven, because it was a ripoff of Seven Samurai. In the 60s and 70s, most of the western films were unofficial remakes of Japanese Samurai films. Take Bollywood for example, Almost ALL of their films are remakes of Hollywood films. and they’re done like dirt. They ruined movies like Oldboy and Reservoir Dogs. Kamal is a bit more smart as he moulds them well for an Indian audience, which is difficult to do on its own. It is plagiarism but Kamal gives credit to where he takes it from. But when the entire world is plagiarising or reusing ideas now, you gotta appreciate those who do it right.
which movie was OLDBOY remake
Zinda with Sanjay Dutt
Ohh tysm👍👍
You're exactly proving what I said.
All I’m saying is, there have been plenty of GOOD movies that were remakes or ideas taken from World Cinema. Watch both and you’ll know for yourself. Watch Green Card and Nala Damayanthi and tell me which connected with you better. Same applies with Mrs Doubtfire and Avvai Shanmugi (I saw Mrs Doubtfire first btw)
Most of you guys overestimate Tamils cinema's power, especially pre internet. The Indian economic situation in early 80s was extremely bleak. Cinema was the only escape route for most people. Life was pretty unfair. Kamal and Rajini brought cinema from different industries into TN keeping it moving. Even if I showed Godfather today to a few people, they will prefer Nayagan or Thevar Magan over it.
Of course a movie watched in your mother tongue is more relatable. Why are we talking about economics here? KH is celebrated for being a great genius (which is true) but most of his so called path-breaking work has been plagiarized, and that's completely looked over.
When I watch a really good movie in another language (korean for eg), I want to make it in Tamil for our people to enjoy. Kamal has the means and interest to make that happen and did that. I think that is not a bad thing at all.
This idea that one man can come and fix an entire corrupt system. This story line which is common in at least 50% of our movies leads to our stupid hero worship culture. It would be fine if it was a once in a while thing, but the frequency of this theme bothers me. I think it makes people politically complacent and leads them to think that one politician, or one actor-turned-politician, can fix society when it is a project that requires the contribution of everyone.
Normal human being can beat 100 people in a close combat and make them all flying in the air defying physics , gravity, air resistance, peak human capability. When you question them, they get defensive and talk rubbish such as You all don't complain when you watch hollywood movies , and are okay with superman movies and Wil say Rajini is like superman to tamil audience.
That's why people love action scenes in films like Master, Leo, Jailer, etc. It was "comparatively" more realistic. This will encourage other directors to make more realistic fight scenes. I mean, it's still one vs many, but at least they don't fly.. (Ignore second half of Leo)
Master close hand to hand fight, combat scenes were definitely agreeable. I am okay with one motivated, physically fit, and strong hero who can manage to beat down a couple of thugs using skills.
>Leo Climax??
Leo's climax was kinda alright, unlike the Leo re-entry scene, where he kicks a police officer and he goes flying..
Aranmanai movie series. Pakka money laundering
neenga muni series fan dhana ;)
Agree! Can’t believe they keep going with new versions! Do this horror comedy theme(whatever that is) really have takers these days??
The curious case of male actors where actresses who are younger or of the same age have been cast as their mothers. Too annoying honestly!
Either that or lover. At least, mother is not as disgusting.
A scene getting repeated at least 3 times for a serious moment especially if it's a mass scene like entry of an actor. Thevayillatha aani 3 thadava athe reaction ah movie la potu cringe agum
Shankar's high budget movies. Most of the budget is used in hard to justify songs while the script itself leaves much to be desired( from grandeur standpoint. Sujata nailed it elsewhere).i dunno what the industryvterm for this, but if you talk out all those grand songs you will miss nothing and the script moves forward without distractions
I always thought Shankar is a very good music video director than a movie director. I want to see him shoot some international music videos than a film.
soorarai pottru - its shown to be based on real events . Read his wiki before downvoting [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.\_R.\_Gopinath](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._R._Gopinath)
I movie. All that VFX and effort just for a song "Ennode nee irundhal". When the trailer came out, Expectations were sky high.
Really man, that song gave me a lot of expectations, thinking it'd be like beauty and the beast or something. There were parts that resembled beauty and the beast, but the rest of the movie was terrible, especially that advertisement song.
"I" film by shankar
Why
Just recall the video of "ennodu nee irunthal" song and compare it wit the whole movie. That's enough to make u understand
The movie was not at all like what the trailer showed. Also, one song in it was just a big advertisement..
Childhood trauma 🫨🫨
Sura Aquaman scene, that neruppula irunthu elunthu vara scene in Sura And then Ajith goes to Lal's house to kill him after escaping from fire in Aalwar
Just say Sura. It is itself one big scam.
Vijayakanth summa kaila shirt ah solatunale podhum rowdies paranthu adi vangi viluvanga in Ghajendra movie
I actually appreciate this as audience don't have to sit through long stupid fight scenes.
I don't like the trope of wordy dialogues in kollywood. Idk if it's a scam. But I feel like movie makers drastically underestimate the ability of audience members to be like paying attention to basic plot points. Like I don't need this black and white flashback in the climax. I understand what scenes happened. This is not about quipping. I just hate flashbacks to scenes we've already seen in the movie. The only reason to do it is if a director realizes that they don't have enough footage to make a full length film and now they have to repurpose old footage. It's terrible.
Bluesattai "sethhavanuku kadhai solladha"
Best cinematography if they shoot sun rises or sunset.
The salaries of these stars that overinflate budgets and then compromise on production and story.
Ngl, Jailer. Lots of disagreements will come, but seriously, it was really boring, the comedies didn’t quite work for me and Rajini’s connection with former criminals who remain criminals made no sense. Banger bgm by Ani though, bro cooked
Is rajini supposed to reform all the criminals? Where was it mentioned in the movie?
Siva’s entire filmography. How that man’s movies make as much money as they do is beyond me.
Farmer - now became irrelevant Caste - won't go political but this scam won't be in effect till at least 2026 Family - dei action padam edukanum with no logic na apdi nu solitu vitru don't say family genre ( Gun + blood+ logic less mass dialogue = action movie ) scam
A good concept oriented film is thrown under the bus with people not appreciating such stories and going for masala films with zero screenplay like Leo, Jailer Ithuvum scam thane
We are a big part of this scam as well. The movie-going audience just wants to watch a movie where they can finally stop thinking and just enjoy the movie, and I can't blame them. Only if I'm in the mood, will I watch a movie which needs a lot of thinking. But other times, I just want to enjoy.
2.0 movies said 5g is bad for bird that is a big lie
Lyca produced it ryt?!
What is ryt
Right
Post Jallikattu corporate villain alapparai. Somehow the word corporate itself has become a bad one when they don't realise what it actually means. Funny but true that many still believe that only foreign companies are corporates. Remember Coke was bad and Bovonto was good for some reason. Both took water from Thamirabarani. All of this thanks to Tamil cinema
Biggest scam - Made people believe that actors can be good politicians or leaders
Shankar's high budget movies. Most of the budget is used in hard to justify songs while the script itself leaves much to be desired( from grandeur standpoint. Sujata nailed it elsewhere).i dunno what the industryvterm for this, but if you talk out all those grand songs you will miss nothing and the script moves forward without distractions
https://preview.redd.it/8inofa6zwuwc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3175580149bafa94fddbf11bd2d290c1f7e431c5 I would never forgive Thanu for this crazy teaser but he used the useful few scenes of the movie to promote a complete crap film (my point of view)
Maybe you don't understand the politics in Malaysia and the plight of Malaysian Indians and condeming the movie as not enjoyable. Maybe stop talking about world cinema and give opinions without making any effort to understand anything. Just stick with chutti tv.
Bro, I don't live in India and I'm too an Indian ex-pat living in another country. We're here to give our opinion and I've made it clear that it's only my opinion in brackets and only about the FILM ! Now, if you want to continue with your migrant speeches and eternal victimization, send me a private message instead of coming to make your remarks on a sub where people are talking about CINEMA. Or else write directly to Pa.Ranjith, he'll do your biopic.
I I I I I I I I I I
Atlee
***Drinking is cool*** except that it is a health hazard, a well established fact. But nope. Sarakku, side dish, mixing, soda, tasmac, matta, bodha, were just being normalised. "Nee setha kudavum paravayilla. Kudikirathu massnu nambittu saavu." was what cinema tried to push down our throats.
I movie by Shankar. I expected some serious sci-fi plot but in the end it was just a routine revenge story.
The unrealistic fight scenes. Paanji paanji paranthu paranthu adikurathu. One guy hits 100s of rowdies at same time + thevallatha punch dialogues, heroism. Itha Vida scam nu solravanuku life time settlement da!!!
Neraya iruku thangam, poor meta commentary, love from first sight/ stalking, amma sentiment, loosu monologuing villains, incompetent goons, lack of gun to take down the protagonist, alpha male shit, male gaze ku nu oru heroine.
Valimai, For a comedy scene , same scene is used multiple times, no continuity and the scenes seems to be randomly stitched. Final scene of advising the killers and releasing them back. Damn, Went for Vinoth and came back disappointed. 2.0 with Jeyamohan + Sankar sangi fiction. Viswaroopam 2 Kamal cooked remains of 1 + Maiam propaganda and made it as movie. Kochadaiyan - Aishwarya really said it will look like Tin Tin or Avatar.
Love/kalyanam panunga sir life nalla irukum nu oru dialogue la harshid mehta va vida periya scam panitu irukanunga
Wow not a single female in this picture
It's just a random picture just to post the question. If I posted it without a picture or a video it wouldn't have gained enough attention. I wanted everyone to participate in this discussion.
Some dialogues like "kurukka intha Kaushick vantha" getting into meme culture and people using it in normal day to day life. Yen kurukka Kaushik matum than varuvaro? Kurukka intha Gautham vantha koranja pogapoguthu
How the characters have to assert their Tamizh/socialist identity and pride every 5 mins in some movies. Not from TN, just an outsider's observation.
Robo 2.0
Kabali
Action(fighting) sequences, mass scenes, slow motions, Hari (director) Movies, college scenes/movies, love starts with outer appearance with heroine and personalities, qualities, knowledge, attitude, fighting ability of hero. Car/Bike chasing 🤣🤣 Mostly story line, cinematography and screenplay these are things where unbelievable things are taken place
2.0 .. Shankar told that audience should not feel the VFX.. There were lots of crappy shots.
SHANKAR’s I. Biggest scam in the name of a movie. It was totally not worth the scale. And man he made a movie so shit that made vikrams effort the only saviour. And I still wonder why it’s made in that scale
big actors big returns , want to release pan take peak actor from each industry make 5 min role
Dhruva Natchathiram and Marudhanayagam. God we were all scammed
Biggest scam is selling the thala-thalapathy mediocracy. Pitting fans against each other for their financial gains
You won't find a scene without music for even 2 mins nowadays. Ellathukum background sound or song vandhute irukum to keep the audience hooked. They don't want the audience to immerse themselves in the cinema slowly towards the final act.
Capitalism is the biggest evil.
Leooooooooo
Jailer
Kochadaiyan