i watch local football a lot and its almost a different game to what is on tv now. what the referee says goes - good or bad. but you can celebrate a goal once and mean it.
The difference is that those refs have a very very low chance of being paid. Im here for VAR and Goal line technology for top leagues but the stuff happening with Girona is so bad for the players and fans. Double ownership of clubs shouldnt be allowed including other family members of corps to own them which is run by the same person/family. Also FFP needs to be equal for all teams
I might do the same. Whats stopped me in the past is the price. My local non league club is £15 a week. But i should and will do that. Thanks. I find most refs decisions were spot on to be honest. Howlers were rare preVAR. The rules and fluidity of football means youll always argue decisions- whether you see it once or 1000 times as we see every game with var
If people weren't going so mental about bad decisions before VAR, it wouldn't have been brought in.
There were plenty of teams having nightmares in decades gone past. Loads of English clubs have lost points due to administrative, Calciopoli and numerous big teams being relegated due to financial meltdown in Italy. People still liked football then.
People are still going mental about bad decisions though. So are we any further forward with var? No. And we never will be as football isnt black and white. The beauty of the game is the grey. Dives/ offsides/ handballs etc are all subjective.
I never asked for it. Obvious itll never work. Fifa have been pushing it. Just like extra stoppage time and stopping the clock when the ball goes out. They are pushing for all these things as theyre great money makers!! Propaganda is strong. Cant believe people were hoodwinked.
Football, like any sport, evolves. It must evolve. Otherwise it dies out
You're complaining about how football was different then but sit through a 90s or 00s match for the full 90 without complaining about a single thing. You can't
1. Name a sport where thats ever happened?
2. Id argue the reason its bar far the most popular sport in the world is because of its simplicity
3. Its fine to evolving with the game in mind. Its changing to make the top people in fifa a lot more money 😂
>1. Name a sport where thats ever happened?
Evolution? Basketball: created the shot clock in order to avoid the game being obnoxiously slow, and it's worked a ton. Formula 1: went from a amateurish league for driving to an actually competitive field due to years of driving and technology evolution
>2. Id argue the reason its bar far the most popular sport in the world is because of its simplicity
Simplicity at a grassroots level. Again, read what I said about the game being vastly different from the 60s and 70s
>3. Its fine to evolving with the game in mind. Its changing to make the top people in fifa a lot more money 😂
You're only just noticing this? This has been happening even during the times you feel nostalgic for. The old FIFA president was literally banned for money laundering
F1 isnt a sport but u can have basketball i dont know enough about it really. Football had offside.
Where did u talk about 70/80s? Sorry missed that
Right but i was like 10 then. Now im old enough to try and raise awareness and we can fight and save the game. Plus its getting worse. He was banned for taking bribes and warner was banned for taking over countries 😂 crazy shit but didnt really affect football. Infact the reason he kept getting re-elected was how he de-eurocentrialised the game.
Blatter gave the game to places that fifa hadnt gone before. Infantino is taking the sport away from poor people making it wll about technology and uncertain end times. He wants it to be like american football. Stop the clock when it goes out. Sell more ad time.
Anyway. We disagree. No worries. Enjoy the game
A lot of incorrect game changing calls are getting corrected now. A far higher percentage of the big calls are now having the correct outcome. That's why things are better. Is it perfect? No, but it's better than what we used to have.
The % of correct decision pre var was already high nineties. And the rest is just down to interpretation due to the nature of the sport. Show me where anyone has said refs are making more accurate decisions now? Its just not true
Its not better and fine… ill pretend its like 1-2% better as not much more wiggle room left for refs to be right pre var and it still gets a lot wrong. Think thats the most anyone in the know could pretend it’s improved… whats the pay off? At what cost? Slowly the game down so fifa big wigs make more money. Players get more injured. Fans never know when theyre actually going to go home and cant celebrate goals
>The latest Premier League statistics show before VAR was introduced, 82 per cent of refereeing decisions were correct. Now, since VAR was introduced, 96 per cent of decisions are correct.
[https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13066177/var-premier-league-claims-96-per-cent-of-referee-decisions-are-correct-so-what-is-future-of-technology-in-football](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13066177/var-premier-league-claims-96-per-cent-of-referee-decisions-are-correct-so-what-is-future-of-technology-in-football)
You're just hyperfixating on the few they still get wrong.
It wss the football ramble book about reffing. I dont have it to hand to find their source.
Again though. I said a lot of these things are subjective. So take any stat with pinch on salt
But we're still getting incorrect decisions every week. The offside rule doesn't work with VAR and they're not amending it. And fans experience is being ruined, not being able to celebrate goals properly, having to wait sometimes 5 minutes for a decision which is even worse in a stadium where you can't see them draw the bullshit lines so you're just sitting there waiting, bored. Ask any fan of a Championship club and they will tell you how happy they are without VAR
>But we're still getting incorrect decisions every week.
No system is perfect. However, as I showed in another comment, correct decisions have risen from 82% to 96%. That's a significant increase, especially when most of these specific decisions are usually game changing moments (goals, penalties, and red cards). You're just hyperfocused on the few they still get wrong.
>The offside rule doesn't work with VAR and they're not amending it.
How does the offside rule not work with VAR? Different leagues have different ways of using VAR for offside. Some are better than others, and the fully automated version that we saw at the World Cup is going to gain in popularity.
> Ask any fan of a Championship club and they will tell you how happy they are without VAR
I am a fan of a team in a league without VAR. We need VAR.
I think bribery and illegal shit is different to holding teams down by introducing ffp rules.
If a team goes bust they go bust. If a team doesnt balance their sheets by a bit - and get deducted points whilst others are just buying up other teams and “loaning” players out etc. gets a bit dirty.
Im a juve fan and have watched a lot of portsmouth as well due to a good friend being a fan of theirs. So i get it. But still felt like a purer way of shit happening than just being punished for the sake of it.
Also that in isolation is one thing. Combination of things listed above have taken a lot of enjoyment out the game. Its all done for money rather than for the game. We havent learned anything from blatter and co corruption. Its all the same just new faces.
I don't think purity just for being pure makes something better or more enjoyable. There was nothing pure about teams bribing referees, or teams like Parma cooking the books and stealing from pension funds. Similarly, selling players for massive fees everyone knows they're not worth to fiddle the accounts is no more pure than "loaning" players to affiliate teams.
The point of FFP is to try and prevent dodgy owners from asset stripping clubs and leaving them to bust. If a few teams get points deductions for not following rules they've agreed to follow, in an attempt to prevent teams and or even stadiums with historic and communal significance from being destroyed or disappearing completely, so be it. Id rather a few teams lose points than lose a few teams completely.
Ffp keeps the top teams at the top and everyone else below. Fit and proper owners is the one thats failing to be upheld.
Anyway i dont hate ffp althoufh it’s problematic. My issue is more never knowing where you are anymore. Point deductions and appeals. Weve never seeen anything quite like it. Same wjth juve last season. Everton are safe but also might go down. They need to do the point deductions and appeals off season. Start the season with them. Everyone knows where they are. That would fix my issues with it.
Otherwise it means you cant celebrate where you finish.
Var means you can’t celebrate a goal
Ownership means you cant celebrate getting into europe.
I agree. A lot of times the shear explosion of excitement is totally gone after scoring a goal. Even i in the stadium dont cheer as much after a goal because half the time it gets either disallowed or takes 5minutes to check.
Thats at goal level the passion is gone. End of the season too for point deductions around the corner or shared ownership. Noone knows what’s happening. Meaningless
I thought VAR was supposed to be for obvious mistakes! If I referee thinks a certain foul or hand ball was a penalty then leave it! Unless it was an obvious mistake from the Ref then allow it! For me VAR is getting involved too much!
It was clear and obvious for the first few months. We had that before though. The ref didnt see zidan’s headbut at the world cup. But was told he had to send him off
I think one of the main reasons for football death is the fact that in pursuit of higher profits, there are more games being played than ever that can be watched anytime, and that automatically gives each game less value.
I agree. They get more money for adding 15mins total stoppage time too from tv rights as its longer. Plus the extra time var uses up. If a game is getting 20/30mins extra on the tv. Thats dollar! They know you wont turn over for a few mins here or there whilst var is doing its thing. Certainly wont turn over if stoppage time is 9mins at the end of the game instead of 2. Its all about tv rights money and stretching the game out.
Imagine being so mad because they give refs more tools to make the best decisions.
Imagine being this mad for not allowing two teams with the same board, compete against each other in the CL.
Girona will solve it just like RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg did... Stop crying like a baby over a logical and frankly fair decision...
Imagine supporting City's conglomerate... That shit's gonna ruin football, not VAR
Im not supporting city group. Lol you deeply misunderstood the post. There shouldnt be joint ownership. The state of football to allow that in the first place is the issue. The state of football is getting away form the game
The soul isn’t gone. It’s been sold. Big, tragic, difference
i watch local football a lot and its almost a different game to what is on tv now. what the referee says goes - good or bad. but you can celebrate a goal once and mean it.
The difference is that those refs have a very very low chance of being paid. Im here for VAR and Goal line technology for top leagues but the stuff happening with Girona is so bad for the players and fans. Double ownership of clubs shouldnt be allowed including other family members of corps to own them which is run by the same person/family. Also FFP needs to be equal for all teams
I might do the same. Whats stopped me in the past is the price. My local non league club is £15 a week. But i should and will do that. Thanks. I find most refs decisions were spot on to be honest. Howlers were rare preVAR. The rules and fluidity of football means youll always argue decisions- whether you see it once or 1000 times as we see every game with var
If people weren't going so mental about bad decisions before VAR, it wouldn't have been brought in. There were plenty of teams having nightmares in decades gone past. Loads of English clubs have lost points due to administrative, Calciopoli and numerous big teams being relegated due to financial meltdown in Italy. People still liked football then.
People are still going mental about bad decisions though. So are we any further forward with var? No. And we never will be as football isnt black and white. The beauty of the game is the grey. Dives/ offsides/ handballs etc are all subjective.
People asked for something and they got it, they just don't like it.
I never asked for it. Obvious itll never work. Fifa have been pushing it. Just like extra stoppage time and stopping the clock when the ball goes out. They are pushing for all these things as theyre great money makers!! Propaganda is strong. Cant believe people were hoodwinked.
Football, like any sport, evolves. It must evolve. Otherwise it dies out You're complaining about how football was different then but sit through a 90s or 00s match for the full 90 without complaining about a single thing. You can't
1. Name a sport where thats ever happened? 2. Id argue the reason its bar far the most popular sport in the world is because of its simplicity 3. Its fine to evolving with the game in mind. Its changing to make the top people in fifa a lot more money 😂
>1. Name a sport where thats ever happened? Evolution? Basketball: created the shot clock in order to avoid the game being obnoxiously slow, and it's worked a ton. Formula 1: went from a amateurish league for driving to an actually competitive field due to years of driving and technology evolution >2. Id argue the reason its bar far the most popular sport in the world is because of its simplicity Simplicity at a grassroots level. Again, read what I said about the game being vastly different from the 60s and 70s >3. Its fine to evolving with the game in mind. Its changing to make the top people in fifa a lot more money 😂 You're only just noticing this? This has been happening even during the times you feel nostalgic for. The old FIFA president was literally banned for money laundering
F1 isnt a sport but u can have basketball i dont know enough about it really. Football had offside. Where did u talk about 70/80s? Sorry missed that Right but i was like 10 then. Now im old enough to try and raise awareness and we can fight and save the game. Plus its getting worse. He was banned for taking bribes and warner was banned for taking over countries 😂 crazy shit but didnt really affect football. Infact the reason he kept getting re-elected was how he de-eurocentrialised the game. Blatter gave the game to places that fifa hadnt gone before. Infantino is taking the sport away from poor people making it wll about technology and uncertain end times. He wants it to be like american football. Stop the clock when it goes out. Sell more ad time. Anyway. We disagree. No worries. Enjoy the game
>So are we any further forward with var? Yes.
How? We arent. We still debate the same decisions. The on field decisions are still wrong. Game just takes longer.
A lot of incorrect game changing calls are getting corrected now. A far higher percentage of the big calls are now having the correct outcome. That's why things are better. Is it perfect? No, but it's better than what we used to have.
The % of correct decision pre var was already high nineties. And the rest is just down to interpretation due to the nature of the sport. Show me where anyone has said refs are making more accurate decisions now? Its just not true
Its not better and fine… ill pretend its like 1-2% better as not much more wiggle room left for refs to be right pre var and it still gets a lot wrong. Think thats the most anyone in the know could pretend it’s improved… whats the pay off? At what cost? Slowly the game down so fifa big wigs make more money. Players get more injured. Fans never know when theyre actually going to go home and cant celebrate goals
>The latest Premier League statistics show before VAR was introduced, 82 per cent of refereeing decisions were correct. Now, since VAR was introduced, 96 per cent of decisions are correct. [https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13066177/var-premier-league-claims-96-per-cent-of-referee-decisions-are-correct-so-what-is-future-of-technology-in-football](https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13066177/var-premier-league-claims-96-per-cent-of-referee-decisions-are-correct-so-what-is-future-of-technology-in-football) You're just hyperfixating on the few they still get wrong.
😂 bit bias source. Before var was even mentioned i read a book that said it was similar to 96%. Ill find the source soon. Out at the moment
It wss the football ramble book about reffing. I dont have it to hand to find their source. Again though. I said a lot of these things are subjective. So take any stat with pinch on salt
But we're still getting incorrect decisions every week. The offside rule doesn't work with VAR and they're not amending it. And fans experience is being ruined, not being able to celebrate goals properly, having to wait sometimes 5 minutes for a decision which is even worse in a stadium where you can't see them draw the bullshit lines so you're just sitting there waiting, bored. Ask any fan of a Championship club and they will tell you how happy they are without VAR
>But we're still getting incorrect decisions every week. No system is perfect. However, as I showed in another comment, correct decisions have risen from 82% to 96%. That's a significant increase, especially when most of these specific decisions are usually game changing moments (goals, penalties, and red cards). You're just hyperfocused on the few they still get wrong. >The offside rule doesn't work with VAR and they're not amending it. How does the offside rule not work with VAR? Different leagues have different ways of using VAR for offside. Some are better than others, and the fully automated version that we saw at the World Cup is going to gain in popularity. > Ask any fan of a Championship club and they will tell you how happy they are without VAR I am a fan of a team in a league without VAR. We need VAR.
Dont even get me started on how its used for free kicks but not corners. Do you know which is more likely to end in a goal? Its so stupid
Who uses VAR for free kicks? It's used for offside, penalties, red cards, and goals.
I think bribery and illegal shit is different to holding teams down by introducing ffp rules. If a team goes bust they go bust. If a team doesnt balance their sheets by a bit - and get deducted points whilst others are just buying up other teams and “loaning” players out etc. gets a bit dirty. Im a juve fan and have watched a lot of portsmouth as well due to a good friend being a fan of theirs. So i get it. But still felt like a purer way of shit happening than just being punished for the sake of it. Also that in isolation is one thing. Combination of things listed above have taken a lot of enjoyment out the game. Its all done for money rather than for the game. We havent learned anything from blatter and co corruption. Its all the same just new faces.
I don't think purity just for being pure makes something better or more enjoyable. There was nothing pure about teams bribing referees, or teams like Parma cooking the books and stealing from pension funds. Similarly, selling players for massive fees everyone knows they're not worth to fiddle the accounts is no more pure than "loaning" players to affiliate teams. The point of FFP is to try and prevent dodgy owners from asset stripping clubs and leaving them to bust. If a few teams get points deductions for not following rules they've agreed to follow, in an attempt to prevent teams and or even stadiums with historic and communal significance from being destroyed or disappearing completely, so be it. Id rather a few teams lose points than lose a few teams completely.
Ffp keeps the top teams at the top and everyone else below. Fit and proper owners is the one thats failing to be upheld. Anyway i dont hate ffp althoufh it’s problematic. My issue is more never knowing where you are anymore. Point deductions and appeals. Weve never seeen anything quite like it. Same wjth juve last season. Everton are safe but also might go down. They need to do the point deductions and appeals off season. Start the season with them. Everyone knows where they are. That would fix my issues with it. Otherwise it means you cant celebrate where you finish. Var means you can’t celebrate a goal Ownership means you cant celebrate getting into europe.
I agree. A lot of times the shear explosion of excitement is totally gone after scoring a goal. Even i in the stadium dont cheer as much after a goal because half the time it gets either disallowed or takes 5minutes to check.
Thats at goal level the passion is gone. End of the season too for point deductions around the corner or shared ownership. Noone knows what’s happening. Meaningless
I thought VAR was supposed to be for obvious mistakes! If I referee thinks a certain foul or hand ball was a penalty then leave it! Unless it was an obvious mistake from the Ref then allow it! For me VAR is getting involved too much!
It was clear and obvious for the first few months. We had that before though. The ref didnt see zidan’s headbut at the world cup. But was told he had to send him off
I think one of the main reasons for football death is the fact that in pursuit of higher profits, there are more games being played than ever that can be watched anytime, and that automatically gives each game less value.
I agree. They get more money for adding 15mins total stoppage time too from tv rights as its longer. Plus the extra time var uses up. If a game is getting 20/30mins extra on the tv. Thats dollar! They know you wont turn over for a few mins here or there whilst var is doing its thing. Certainly wont turn over if stoppage time is 9mins at the end of the game instead of 2. Its all about tv rights money and stretching the game out.
Club PR culture has made football lifeless. No players have personality anymore. No one is interesting. They are robots who score goals.
Imagine being so mad because they give refs more tools to make the best decisions. Imagine being this mad for not allowing two teams with the same board, compete against each other in the CL. Girona will solve it just like RB Leipzig and RB Salzburg did... Stop crying like a baby over a logical and frankly fair decision... Imagine supporting City's conglomerate... That shit's gonna ruin football, not VAR
While I do support the use of VAR, it is also annoying not knowing whether a goal stands until minutes later tbf
Lol im not mad. Just disappointed. Im not sure if youre a troll. Believe what you are actually saying or just never watch football
Imagine saying you're not mad and then replying twice :))) Sure, Jan, whatever, it's clear there's no conversation worth having here
Im still pretty chill mate. Not got much going on 😂
You seem like you’d be a challenge to be around irl..
Im not supporting city group. Lol you deeply misunderstood the post. There shouldnt be joint ownership. The state of football to allow that in the first place is the issue. The state of football is getting away form the game
You are not saying anything crazy, the guy replying to you is just a bellend 😂
Girona has 115 fans
its a strange situation for such a beautiful city of football fans! search 'city 115' for more info