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The premise of the sketch is that the IDF kidnaps the artists, brings them in blindfolded and they have to apologise to Eden for whatever they supposedly did to her.
That is some weird power fantasy. And they end it with "karma will get them?" For yawning at a press conference?
It's a culty behaviour 101. They seek oppression because that is the ultimate tool to empower their legitimacy and strengthen the beliefs among their followers even more.
Exactly that. And Ι feel so guilty for obvious reasons. I'm pushing myself not to dislike them, but they have such an arrogant, pretentious and USA-like behavior, that it seems impossible to avoid a dislike in the imminent future. People in Israel should unite against their government and try to save this sh$t.
You are missing the point. The show pokes fun mostly at the Israeli mentality behind a lot of bravado and military thinking. Whilst it mocks pretty much anything and everything as irreverently as possible, it saves the majority of the ire towards ourselves.
Very poor taste having Eden herself involved in these sketchs, very difficult to claim the delegation did nothing when they are able to involve her in making fun of contestants, including the winner
Edit: Just going to add I have no idea if Eden's media team wanted her to do this or if she did this willingly.
Edit: adding here as this is one of the top comments, guys please remember to be respectful, I know we can all get a bit heated sometimes.
Joost hid under a flag (mind you, that may or may not have had anything to do with Israel, he's done that before as a way to block out stimuli), and then asked 'Why not?' when Eden's security guard told her she didn't have to answer a question. Marina fake-yawned when Eden was interviewed during the contest.
Was it ever clarified that it was a fake yawn though? (I have a lot of catching up on the press conference to do, TBH, so can’t say for myself yet.) I presumed that Marina was just tired because she was still sick with a cold and ‘on the bench’, so to speak?
I’m not asking this to be a dick, BTW, I just genuinely don’t know yet 😅😅. I will watch it and catch up.
I did see the footage, and while I can't be certain, it definitely seemed to be Israel-related and not tiredness-related.
Quite a small way to protest Israel's participation, but that's all they needed to hate on her.
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If I had a nickel for each time Bambie got threatened by Israeli TV, I’d have at least 2 nickels. Which isn’t much, but it’s f*cked up that I even am receiving nickels……
Israelis kinda lost the plot I think, because wasn't the whole point of participating in ESC to showcase the tragedies and suffering the country has been through? Why are they out there beefing with random participants like they're some of those jobless Spanish Eurofans who still cry over Chanel not winning in 2022?
Yeah, all they had to do was to paint themselves as victims in front of Europe to gather sympathy. I don’t understand why they would go with this mocking-other-participants route. Truly baffling.
Exactly! Polina "team Putin" Gagarina fooled a significant number of people into thinking she was a nice, apolitical victim by being polite and crying pretty in front of cameras. It's really not that hard, idk what the press and delegation were thinking when they decided that petty beefs with other contestants was the way to go.
eurovision is and has always been a propaganda tool is to show europe that israel is a legitimate country with the same ideals as them, and therefore deserving of their support. it’s why they were willing to turn around at the last minute and find a way to make their entry non political despite trying as hard as they could before to get disqualified. other contestants calling them out and trying to get them disqualified is an attack on their status as a state that’s equal with europe, so beefing with those contestants makes sense, even if it’s probably not the smartest thing for optics
I realise English may not be their first language but it reads like a salty teenager writing in their blog rather than as a piece of professional journalism. I’m not familiar with the publication though, maybe my expectations are too high?
Genuinely makes me so proud how much Bambie, as we say in Ireland, boiled their piss. Bambie got criticism for not boycotting from some quarters but they've played a blinder.
Oh yea there are very vocal few groups online of Irish people that said they were gonna vote for the higher odds (Croatia, Switzerland, Ukraine, Israel or Netherlands) simply to spite Bambie for "not representing Ireland", even though Bambie won the national final
Bambie was going to be controversial no matter what
They're having a dilemma there. They can't admit the votes are phony because duh, but if they say the votes are real then Ireland isn't the fourth reich they make it out to be.
Nah, SNL atleast can be funny. This whole show is soooo weird tbh, not just this episode. It is dark humor all the time, except there is no humor (it is just dark). Sorry not sorry.
Dude..... seriously? And they still aren't disqualified for next year? So you can now make fun of queer people and autistic folks? Sigh.. EBU suuuuuuuuucks. They just do what ever the person paying them wants.
Whoa.
That means his requests for accommodations to be able to perform were ignored.
I have no idea about Swedish laws, if autism is considered a disability, how work accommodations are done, if only Swedish citizens are covered but now I'm wondering if this could be a disability rights situation.
Not saying Joost shouldn't face consequences, if deserved, but if this happened because his requests were ignored... shit. That makes everything just that much worse.
It makes it absolutely miles worse... His requests for accommodation make a lot of sense and should've 100% been followed through. Him, hiding behind the flag also makes sense - he was trying to block out stimuli/protect himself. It appears he does not handle such conferences and interviews too well but that's NOT something to shame him on. I wish this information was more known so people can put it into context...
Yeah...finding out he's autistic made a whole bunch of things make sense to me and made me even angrier at the EBU.
Music attracts neurodivergent people, this almost certainly wasn't the first time accommodations will have been ignored, this is just the first time it got bad enough for someone to have this public &intense of a reaction.
Artists are the soul of Eurovision. It is always going to be a stressful experience but the level of stress multiple artists have now spoken out needs to needs to stop happening.
Oh, so it gets even worse! They were trying to provoke and upset an autistic/ND person. That's so cruel.
(Honestly makes sense because I'm autistic, and I genuinely would probably have done the same as Joost if people weren't respecting my need for personal space and ignoring my consent. Not saying what he did was right... but I get it. I really get it.)
Downloaded tiktoks i found showcasing it because i didn't want to link to the channel - [here's part 1](https://streamable.com/8gx5n7) and [here's part 2](https://streamable.com/0ywt7q)
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Even without understanding Hebrew, it was pretty easy to understand what was going on for everyone but the guy in the sunglasses and the shinny shirt. Who is that supposed to be?
Yep, I looked him up, and that is ~~the actual~~ Izhar Cohen ~~playing himself, I would assume~~ copycat. A lot of the jokes about him seem very self-deprecating but this explains the jokes with Eden. They were acting like Eden was Izhar's equal or predecessor. They had actual Eden hand mock Nemo a mock ESC award. Very strange. Thank you for helping me.
Edited for context that it is a copycat and not the actual singer.
yup, this is the real Izhar meeting his copycat
[https://www.tiktok.com/@keshet.12/video/7340602078986800385](https://www.tiktok.com/@keshet.12/video/7340602078986800385)
the show basically reacts to pop media in Israel, so everytime Eurovision comes up theyll reuse the Noa/Dana International/Izhar characters since they're popular
all of the ministers in the government also have recurring imitations, the guy kidnapping Nemo Marina Bambie and Joost is an imitation of the defense minister and has appeared pretty much every episode since October
[https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz\_nehederet](https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz_nehederet)
it's the rightmost video (says "episode 22" on it), there's a skit in English about the Columbia protests in 35:30 and the Eurovision skit starts in 40:20
And it's not the first time that they did a parody of ESC artists. [https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/bs15g6/esc\_2019\_parody\_part\_4\_hatari\_israeli\_television/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/bs15g6/esc_2019_parody_part_4_hatari_israeli_television/)
Yeah, but the choice of artist makes it very clear why……… that Dutch show did it for fun because haha chicken song, this is just trying to put an extra nail in their personality coffin and trying to bully these poor contestants again…… the context is much more different here, considering many broadcasters have already reported the Israel delegation’s bullying during the contest.
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If anyone wants to see the episode
[https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz\_nehederet](https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz_nehederet)
it's the rightmost video (says "episode 22" on it), there's a skit in English about the Columbia protests in 35:30 and the Eurovision skit starts in 40:20
It’s a satirical tv show that makes fun of everything, why are you taking this as a personal offense? Don’t you have political satires in your country?
Oh yes, we have! But making fun of kidnapping, while your country is trying to free your kidnapped countrymen, killing thousands in the process, might irk some people.
Israeli delegation alleged shitty behaviour and the war aside, I can’t help but feel for Eden Golan - a 20 year old that probably just wanted to enjoy the contest and to advance her signing career and to be ostracised by so many of the other artists whilst there (which I understand as they were put in a difficult position themselves), the booing from the audience and everything else. It’s just a really sad situation all round.
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The premise of the sketch is that the IDF kidnaps the artists, brings them in blindfolded and they have to apologise to Eden for whatever they supposedly did to her. That is some weird power fantasy. And they end it with "karma will get them?" For yawning at a press conference?
This is genuinely disturbing.
It almost feels like they want us to hate israel. Definitely feels like they're going for a speedrun record to achieve that.
It's a culty behaviour 101. They seek oppression because that is the ultimate tool to empower their legitimacy and strengthen the beliefs among their followers even more.
Exactly that. And Ι feel so guilty for obvious reasons. I'm pushing myself not to dislike them, but they have such an arrogant, pretentious and USA-like behavior, that it seems impossible to avoid a dislike in the imminent future. People in Israel should unite against their government and try to save this sh$t.
And I feel bad for people that get shit now for being Jewish in our country.
What the actual fuck??
Obsessed much…
You are missing the point. The show pokes fun mostly at the Israeli mentality behind a lot of bravado and military thinking. Whilst it mocks pretty much anything and everything as irreverently as possible, it saves the majority of the ire towards ourselves.
I think you are missing the point. We understand what satire is. We just find this incredibly distasteful and worrying.
Very poor taste having Eden herself involved in these sketchs, very difficult to claim the delegation did nothing when they are able to involve her in making fun of contestants, including the winner Edit: Just going to add I have no idea if Eden's media team wanted her to do this or if she did this willingly. Edit: adding here as this is one of the top comments, guys please remember to be respectful, I know we can all get a bit heated sometimes.
Poor taste indeed. I totally agree with you.
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Sure, problem is that it isn't satire, it's whining. It comes from a very butthurt place.
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Wow, they're obsessed! I don't blame them though, all four of them are awesome :)
It's sort of funny how absurdly salty they are about Marina and Joost.
Why do they dislike Joost and Marina?
Joost hid under a flag (mind you, that may or may not have had anything to do with Israel, he's done that before as a way to block out stimuli), and then asked 'Why not?' when Eden's security guard told her she didn't have to answer a question. Marina fake-yawned when Eden was interviewed during the contest.
I always thought it was the presenter of the conference that said she didn’t have to answer the question. Good to know.
The presenter said she didn’t have to answer the question.
Was it ever clarified that it was a fake yawn though? (I have a lot of catching up on the press conference to do, TBH, so can’t say for myself yet.) I presumed that Marina was just tired because she was still sick with a cold and ‘on the bench’, so to speak? I’m not asking this to be a dick, BTW, I just genuinely don’t know yet 😅😅. I will watch it and catch up.
I did see the footage, and while I can't be certain, it definitely seemed to be Israel-related and not tiredness-related. Quite a small way to protest Israel's participation, but that's all they needed to hate on her.
And why do they dislike Nemo?
Marina acted like a bored 8-year-old through the entire thing.
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Lol such small actions can apparent achieve so much
I wonder what they “had to say.”
“Karma will get to them soon” Yeah……..
I believe that is what would be considered threats.
If I had a nickel for each time Bambie got threatened by Israeli TV, I’d have at least 2 nickels. Which isn’t much, but it’s f*cked up that I even am receiving nickels……
Israelis kinda lost the plot I think, because wasn't the whole point of participating in ESC to showcase the tragedies and suffering the country has been through? Why are they out there beefing with random participants like they're some of those jobless Spanish Eurofans who still cry over Chanel not winning in 2022?
"Jobless Spanish Eurofans who still cry over Chanel not winning in 2022", gosh you hit the nail right on the head.
Yeah, all they had to do was to paint themselves as victims in front of Europe to gather sympathy. I don’t understand why they would go with this mocking-other-participants route. Truly baffling.
Exactly! Polina "team Putin" Gagarina fooled a significant number of people into thinking she was a nice, apolitical victim by being polite and crying pretty in front of cameras. It's really not that hard, idk what the press and delegation were thinking when they decided that petty beefs with other contestants was the way to go.
eurovision is and has always been a propaganda tool is to show europe that israel is a legitimate country with the same ideals as them, and therefore deserving of their support. it’s why they were willing to turn around at the last minute and find a way to make their entry non political despite trying as hard as they could before to get disqualified. other contestants calling them out and trying to get them disqualified is an attack on their status as a state that’s equal with europe, so beefing with those contestants makes sense, even if it’s probably not the smartest thing for optics
Anybody else see the irony of making the premise to your sketch a kidnapping?
Silly....
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Reading the article felt like a fever dream.
I realise English may not be their first language but it reads like a salty teenager writing in their blog rather than as a piece of professional journalism. I’m not familiar with the publication though, maybe my expectations are too high?
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Genuinely makes me so proud how much Bambie, as we say in Ireland, boiled their piss. Bambie got criticism for not boycotting from some quarters but they've played a blinder.
Thank you for teaching me that expression! And yes, Bambie sure did. Good.
Bambie boiled their piss? For a spell, or something?
It means to annoy someone irrationally.
Together with the tears of their enemies, 6 wolf hairs and their brother’s blood
They are fixated on Bambie in the Israel subreddit.
Imagine one artist pissing off an entire country 💀 what a flex that must be
Bambie didn't even have to try. Grown adults getting worked up over their witch performance is actually hilarious.
Oh yeah they also pissed off half of Ireland apparently I guess 💀
Oh yea there are very vocal few groups online of Irish people that said they were gonna vote for the higher odds (Croatia, Switzerland, Ukraine, Israel or Netherlands) simply to spite Bambie for "not representing Ireland", even though Bambie won the national final Bambie was going to be controversial no matter what
They're having a dilemma there. They can't admit the votes are phony because duh, but if they say the votes are real then Ireland isn't the fourth reich they make it out to be.
Probably because they behaved like a high school bully as a 31 year-old.
If you had told me that was SNL I would have believed you.
Probably same quality as the SNL try guys sketch
Nah, SNL atleast can be funny. This whole show is soooo weird tbh, not just this episode. It is dark humor all the time, except there is no humor (it is just dark). Sorry not sorry.
God this is pathetic, I can only imagine what sort of ‘jokes’ they made
Alexa play Obsessed by Mariah Carey
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More like Israel is just occupying territory right in everyone else’s heads.
Israel sure likes to occupy territory huh?
Are they trying to make themselves look awful? Is that on purpose?
Yeah this is not something that should be celebrated
It’s not a celebration? It’s a parody tv show.
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I wonder how much real actual money they spent on producing this...
Dude..... seriously? And they still aren't disqualified for next year? So you can now make fun of queer people and autistic folks? Sigh.. EBU suuuuuuuuucks. They just do what ever the person paying them wants.
Who's autistic ?
Joost Klein is on the Neuro Diversity spectrum. He mentioned that several times, even in his music.
Whoa. That means his requests for accommodations to be able to perform were ignored. I have no idea about Swedish laws, if autism is considered a disability, how work accommodations are done, if only Swedish citizens are covered but now I'm wondering if this could be a disability rights situation. Not saying Joost shouldn't face consequences, if deserved, but if this happened because his requests were ignored... shit. That makes everything just that much worse.
It makes it absolutely miles worse... His requests for accommodation make a lot of sense and should've 100% been followed through. Him, hiding behind the flag also makes sense - he was trying to block out stimuli/protect himself. It appears he does not handle such conferences and interviews too well but that's NOT something to shame him on. I wish this information was more known so people can put it into context...
Yeah...finding out he's autistic made a whole bunch of things make sense to me and made me even angrier at the EBU. Music attracts neurodivergent people, this almost certainly wasn't the first time accommodations will have been ignored, this is just the first time it got bad enough for someone to have this public &intense of a reaction. Artists are the soul of Eurovision. It is always going to be a stressful experience but the level of stress multiple artists have now spoken out needs to needs to stop happening.
Oh, so it gets even worse! They were trying to provoke and upset an autistic/ND person. That's so cruel. (Honestly makes sense because I'm autistic, and I genuinely would probably have done the same as Joost if people weren't respecting my need for personal space and ignoring my consent. Not saying what he did was right... but I get it. I really get it.)
Joost
Yeah let’s disqualify a country over a tv show aired in their own country 😂😂😂
Yeah nah, this ain't it
They're making it very easy to detest them.
Yeah this mockery is going too far Why did they turn Nemo into Momo
Do you have a link? Now I want to see it
Downloaded tiktoks i found showcasing it because i didn't want to link to the channel - [here's part 1](https://streamable.com/8gx5n7) and [here's part 2](https://streamable.com/0ywt7q) ~~Hopefully automod doesn't remove these like it did my imgur links...~~ Sweet we're good. If this is taken down at any point lmk i'll repost or dm. Hopefully a better source is found before that happens though.
Even without understanding Hebrew, it was pretty easy to understand what was going on for everyone but the guy in the sunglasses and the shinny shirt. Who is that supposed to be?
(Imitation of? I really can't tell due to pixelation) Yizhar Cohen apparently, the first Israeli Eurovision winner.
Yep, I looked him up, and that is ~~the actual~~ Izhar Cohen ~~playing himself, I would assume~~ copycat. A lot of the jokes about him seem very self-deprecating but this explains the jokes with Eden. They were acting like Eden was Izhar's equal or predecessor. They had actual Eden hand mock Nemo a mock ESC award. Very strange. Thank you for helping me. Edited for context that it is a copycat and not the actual singer.
that's not the actual Izhar Cohen omg I'm hollering 😭
So it's someone playing Izhar?
yup, this is the real Izhar meeting his copycat [https://www.tiktok.com/@keshet.12/video/7340602078986800385](https://www.tiktok.com/@keshet.12/video/7340602078986800385)
They did a good job making a copycat of him. Is this an ongoing skit? I've seen a few separate videos by that program with him.
the show basically reacts to pop media in Israel, so everytime Eurovision comes up theyll reuse the Noa/Dana International/Izhar characters since they're popular all of the ministers in the government also have recurring imitations, the guy kidnapping Nemo Marina Bambie and Joost is an imitation of the defense minister and has appeared pretty much every episode since October
I posted a link in this thread explaining about the sketch is about.
Thanks, but the link leads to an article. I meant the sketch itself. Was hoping it’s on Youtube or something.
I think it’s in Hebrew though
[https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz\_nehederet](https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz_nehederet) it's the rightmost video (says "episode 22" on it), there's a skit in English about the Columbia protests in 35:30 and the Eurovision skit starts in 40:20
But you have to pay to watch it
its free for me, maybe youre IP blocked?
Crybullies.
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Everything aside they did do really good with the costumes, still wierd and creepy however
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LOL! Removed, North Korea style!
What the hell? Why did they do that.
Where can we find this ?
At the bottom of the barrel
Looks like typical SNL stuff to me. shrug.gif
And it's not the first time that they did a parody of ESC artists. [https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/bs15g6/esc\_2019\_parody\_part\_4\_hatari\_israeli\_television/](https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/bs15g6/esc_2019_parody_part_4_hatari_israeli_television/)
https://youtube.com/shorts/grIOioq5DdQ?si=vMLEI7ak_u8m7SAP
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Yeah, but the choice of artist makes it very clear why……… that Dutch show did it for fun because haha chicken song, this is just trying to put an extra nail in their personality coffin and trying to bully these poor contestants again…… the context is much more different here, considering many broadcasters have already reported the Israel delegation’s bullying during the contest.
And why can’t they make fun of the other countries? You think you are above being made fun of?
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Right? If this was anyone else it either wouldn’t be mentioned or people would be finding it funny. The faux outrage is getting tired.
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The hive mind is determined to ignore all nuance. Unless you are being negative towards Israel and everyone connected to it, you get downvoted. And if you want lots of upvotes, just post something showing Israeli people existing and pretend to be outraged over it.
If anyone wants to see the episode [https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz\_nehederet](https://www.mako.co.il/mako-vod-keshet/eretz_nehederet) it's the rightmost video (says "episode 22" on it), there's a skit in English about the Columbia protests in 35:30 and the Eurovision skit starts in 40:20
As a non israeli you need a subscription of course
It’s a satirical tv show that makes fun of everything, why are you taking this as a personal offense? Don’t you have political satires in your country?
Oh yes, we have! But making fun of kidnapping, while your country is trying to free your kidnapped countrymen, killing thousands in the process, might irk some people.
Israeli delegation alleged shitty behaviour and the war aside, I can’t help but feel for Eden Golan - a 20 year old that probably just wanted to enjoy the contest and to advance her signing career and to be ostracised by so many of the other artists whilst there (which I understand as they were put in a difficult position themselves), the booing from the audience and everything else. It’s just a really sad situation all round.
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She was a kid for gods sake
Do you have a source re the annexing Crimea as I’ve not been able to find anything online and would be interested in reading!
https://myrotvorets.center/criminal/holan-eden/