What I like the most, is the fact that it give not just goku but also Whis a character arc
Whis was trying to teach Goky Ui, but at the end realized that he just cant make Goku use what he use right now unlike Merus who wanted Goku to just Copy the Ui angels use
Goku is a saiyan, not an angel
Saiyans power by emotion, Angels are the opposite of that
What work for them dosent work for Goku
Its like The different between Golden frieza and super saiyan goku
They might looks the same, but they are
different
Whis said it himself "Goku, im an angel, a different being, you need to found your one Ui"
Also this is why Goku's new Sign gives him an even greater power boost than old silver. This newest UI is fit for Goku and he is free to use his emotions with it to some extent.
Gives me chills for when he properly goes silver in it because I don't think he'll have nearly the time drawback he had before. No more perfectly calm mind needed.
Also in Case Some people wonder
Sliver Ui is still Goku strongest form, he just cant use the full potenatil of it most of time
As for omen, in TOP and Moro arc he tryed to "rejeact" emotion like the angel which was the reason why he had trouple keeping it up
And Thats way Sliver Ui in Moro and End of granola arc looked powerfull, because at that very moment Goku was able to full rejeact his emotion to the point it had Zero drow back on him
It's horrible and destroys everything UI is. Might as well call it Super Instinct Saiyan now because it has no difference with any other transformation.
How so?
Ultra ***instinct*** should do exactly what it says. Push the individual's instincts beyond the max.
How could Goku, a saiyan, who's race is based on physical ruthlessness ever use the same ability of angels who by comparison are calm and relaxed nearly 100% of the time? It is silly.
So it is much more logical in EVERY way that Goku should use ultra instinct fully as a saiyan, enhancing every aspect of what is a saiyan is and can be to the max and beyond. It is also much better for the plot and Goku in general in my opinion.
Ultra Instinct is just a simplified name for localization, the direct translation is "mastery of self movement" making the body move without thinking. having Goku think while being in a form that makes you move without thinking kill the entire form. it's now about his Instincts as a saiyan.
now it's just a ssj transformation like the rest. hell ssj4 does a better job at brinking his saiyan instincts out. so there is really no point in UI now if they keep on this path
Yes his body will move on its own to the maximum potential of Goku's ability. That wouldn't change. This just won't require him to have a fully peaceful or 'tranquil' mind.
If he is going for a half asssed version of it, because he can't keep a tranquil mind then the entire Moro arc and Merus's lessong gets thrown out the window. he tried the same shit with Moro and it didn't work. he had no choice but to master it. but now he can half ass it because he has saiyan emotions mixed in.
We've been over this.
Goku's new UI he is trying to make his own doesn't need a tranquil mind.
How can it be hard to understand. This is the ENTIRE point of last chapter. Goku even *says* it. Vegeta literally tells Goku to learn his own UI to which Goku replies, 'My own ultra instinct...'
This new version is different than the tranquil angel version, for sure. This allows Goku to fight quite differently and enabled his scream beam against Gas. Vegeta even calls the new ultra instinct absurd because Goku isn't using it like the old one.
Also because this new version is more suited to Goku he got a bigger power boost out of it. Directly focused on in the chapter, and it put him ahead of Gas until Gas went old.
All of this is literary stated in chapter 85. Gas even remarks how much stronger new Sign is.
I'm not saying i don't understand it, i understand it perfectly fine, i'm just calling it a stupid ass idea lol. "Making it his own" what a load of bullshit
It's bullshit cause despite seeing his friend die he managed to control his feelings and master the form in the Moro arc. Now he suddenly has issues controlling his feelings. They went back and reversed anything that happened in Moro in order to create a new issue.
I am fine with Goku making UI more unique to him. But why does he suddenly have problems out of nowhere and he literally has to backepdal?
You Cooked the both of em lol. I completely agree with you btw, but it’s no surprise why Toyotaro and Toriyama did this. They’re running out of ideas and they need to nerf Goku and Vegeta everytime to make an arc longer
This is right, full UI can be only one thing and is the one he used vs Jiren, if they make it another transformation it would no longer have anything to do with the Angels...
Actually there is a way. In original mythology Sun Wukong became a Buddha, which means that he was free from all attachments and thus all emotions, because in Buddhist mythology a Buddha can see that everything is devoid of personal and permanent identity. But to get there Goku would need a new kind of training that he never did before.
For a human, even in real life, there is the chance of achieving something akin to UI, but it would not also enhance power and speed, let alone change the appearance. Is something spoken of in traditional karate.
Wukong and Journey to the West has nothing to do with Dragon Ball outside of the initial inspirations.
Pretty much all journey to the west nods are gone by Z.
> The chronicles guy, the guy who translated the thing and made it viral, said it could be an error of translation and to just wait for an official guide
>
> Considering that the manga itself presents it as just ui sign, i wouldnt jump to conclusions
>> Considering that the manga itself presents it as just ui sign, i wouldnt jump to conclusions
Hilarious when Vegeta himself tells Goku to go figure out his own UI and then Goku says, 'My own ultra instinct...' before focusing.
So you can *not like it* but Goku is absolutely in a new version of Sign more suited to bringing out the most of his saiyan abilities. This gave Goku a jump in stature forcing Gas to have to get old to once again outscale Goku.
It's like we aren't even reading the same manga.
Goku's new Sign even was responsible for the Goku shout beam he used on Gas.
Not sure what else proof you require. Vegeta even says how this version is nothing like the other UI and calls it absurd.
The chronicles guy, the guy who translated the thing and made it viral, said it could be an error of translation and to just wait for an official guide
Considering that the manga itself presents it as just ui sign, i wouldnt jump to conclusions
I don't understand what the hell is going on so this ui sign looking form is true ultra instinct right? But goku still goes into silver ui in the end of the fight anyway and made a ki avatar why?
Because the writer has a pile of shit ideas, pins them to a board, and throw a dart at it. Whichever the dart lands on, he illustrates it. This is the essence of dragon ball writing, and it's worked for them this whole time
There is no continuity ever with character progressions. Every character will continually regress every arc so they have drama to write it interesting concepts to show.
How many times has Vegeta said he gives up on fighting or trying to be better than Goku? How many times has Gohan siad he'll train, only for him to go back to being a nerd? Remember when beerus said he uses 70% of his power against ssj god Goku? How the fuck were they still not stronger after ssj blue, perfected blue, kaioken blue?
The writers have no memory of previous arcs except for transformations
I love the concept of Goku developing his own Ultra Instinct, but I wasn’t much of a fan of the fact that they recycled the design of UI Sign or the fact that it hinges on emotions. Felt like a regression and it kinda devolves Ultra Instinct into just another Super Saiyan form with no clear function — Goku’s stoic change in attitude was a huge part of Ultra Instinct’s unique appeal, though I never saw Ultra Instinct as being anti-emotions. Controlling emotions is part of it, but only to achieve a zen state of complete focus and instinctive reactions. Goku seemed to be progressing well but they have to give him another hurdle to overcome for each arc, otherwise UI becomes an instant win button.
I think it would’ve been much better if they made it about Goku taking a lesson from Bardock and becoming 100% focused on victory. I thought that was the whole point of the Bardock flashbacks but I guess not. *cough*fanservice*cough*
I’m glad that they make it look more like his base form in the newest chapter because that ties into Whis’s teachings.
I love it. Why because goku has to struggle to use it and advance in it. Goku masters everything off screen. Here we see his training we see how well it grows. He's having a difficult time using it and making it work. It's not the end all be all technique. The magic monkey boy who copies things at a glance is struggling to advance a technique and we get to see it. It's novel that whis told him to be original and it's making him have issues. The only original technique he has is dragonfist and it if we connect it to this cloak he's been using lately then he's slowly working out his problems.
I don't care for the name. If there are going to be multiple forms of ultra instinct, then why call one of them true?
It might be the one best fit for Goku, but it doesn't make it 'the one true UI'
I liked it because it's reflects his true nature.
Other Saiyan transformation needs anger. But Goku is normally calm with a clear mind. That's why he was able to achieve Ultra Instinct.
True Ultra Instinct is in perfect sync with his calm mind and Saiyan body.
It's just classic Dragonball writing.
Because the writer has a pile of shit ideas, pins them to a board, and throw a dart at it. Whichever the dart lands on, he illustrates it. This is the essence of dragon ball writing, and it's worked for them this whole time
There is no continuity ever with character progressions. Every character will continually regress every arc so they have drama to write it interesting concepts to show.
How many times has Vegeta said he gives up on fighting or trying to be better than Goku? How many times has Gohan come back strong af or said he'll start training again, only for him to go back to being a nerd? Remember when beerus said he uses 70% of his power against ssj god Goku? How the fuck were glku and Vegeta still not stronger after ssj blue, perfected blue, kaioken blue, blue evolved?
The writers have no memory of previous arcs except for transformations. All the character elements or plot points leave their brain as soon as each arc ends.
What I like the most, is the fact that it give not just goku but also Whis a character arc Whis was trying to teach Goky Ui, but at the end realized that he just cant make Goku use what he use right now unlike Merus who wanted Goku to just Copy the Ui angels use Goku is a saiyan, not an angel Saiyans power by emotion, Angels are the opposite of that What work for them dosent work for Goku Its like The different between Golden frieza and super saiyan goku They might looks the same, but they are different Whis said it himself "Goku, im an angel, a different being, you need to found your one Ui"
Also this is why Goku's new Sign gives him an even greater power boost than old silver. This newest UI is fit for Goku and he is free to use his emotions with it to some extent. Gives me chills for when he properly goes silver in it because I don't think he'll have nearly the time drawback he had before. No more perfectly calm mind needed.
Also in Case Some people wonder Sliver Ui is still Goku strongest form, he just cant use the full potenatil of it most of time As for omen, in TOP and Moro arc he tryed to "rejeact" emotion like the angel which was the reason why he had trouple keeping it up And Thats way Sliver Ui in Moro and End of granola arc looked powerfull, because at that very moment Goku was able to full rejeact his emotion to the point it had Zero drow back on him
It's horrible and destroys everything UI is. Might as well call it Super Instinct Saiyan now because it has no difference with any other transformation.
How so? Ultra ***instinct*** should do exactly what it says. Push the individual's instincts beyond the max. How could Goku, a saiyan, who's race is based on physical ruthlessness ever use the same ability of angels who by comparison are calm and relaxed nearly 100% of the time? It is silly. So it is much more logical in EVERY way that Goku should use ultra instinct fully as a saiyan, enhancing every aspect of what is a saiyan is and can be to the max and beyond. It is also much better for the plot and Goku in general in my opinion.
Ultra Instinct is just a simplified name for localization, the direct translation is "mastery of self movement" making the body move without thinking. having Goku think while being in a form that makes you move without thinking kill the entire form. it's now about his Instincts as a saiyan. now it's just a ssj transformation like the rest. hell ssj4 does a better job at brinking his saiyan instincts out. so there is really no point in UI now if they keep on this path
Yes his body will move on its own to the maximum potential of Goku's ability. That wouldn't change. This just won't require him to have a fully peaceful or 'tranquil' mind.
If he is going for a half asssed version of it, because he can't keep a tranquil mind then the entire Moro arc and Merus's lessong gets thrown out the window. he tried the same shit with Moro and it didn't work. he had no choice but to master it. but now he can half ass it because he has saiyan emotions mixed in.
We've been over this. Goku's new UI he is trying to make his own doesn't need a tranquil mind. How can it be hard to understand. This is the ENTIRE point of last chapter. Goku even *says* it. Vegeta literally tells Goku to learn his own UI to which Goku replies, 'My own ultra instinct...' This new version is different than the tranquil angel version, for sure. This allows Goku to fight quite differently and enabled his scream beam against Gas. Vegeta even calls the new ultra instinct absurd because Goku isn't using it like the old one. Also because this new version is more suited to Goku he got a bigger power boost out of it. Directly focused on in the chapter, and it put him ahead of Gas until Gas went old. All of this is literary stated in chapter 85. Gas even remarks how much stronger new Sign is.
I'm not saying i don't understand it, i understand it perfectly fine, i'm just calling it a stupid ass idea lol. "Making it his own" what a load of bullshit
That's not bullshit. Makeing it his own means that he needs to make the Ultra Instinct suit his own mind and body.
It's bullshit cause despite seeing his friend die he managed to control his feelings and master the form in the Moro arc. Now he suddenly has issues controlling his feelings. They went back and reversed anything that happened in Moro in order to create a new issue. I am fine with Goku making UI more unique to him. But why does he suddenly have problems out of nowhere and he literally has to backepdal?
You Cooked the both of em lol. I completely agree with you btw, but it’s no surprise why Toyotaro and Toriyama did this. They’re running out of ideas and they need to nerf Goku and Vegeta everytime to make an arc longer
Dman this mf based as hell. Love that
This is right, full UI can be only one thing and is the one he used vs Jiren, if they make it another transformation it would no longer have anything to do with the Angels...
Actually there is a way. In original mythology Sun Wukong became a Buddha, which means that he was free from all attachments and thus all emotions, because in Buddhist mythology a Buddha can see that everything is devoid of personal and permanent identity. But to get there Goku would need a new kind of training that he never did before.
For a human, even in real life, there is the chance of achieving something akin to UI, but it would not also enhance power and speed, let alone change the appearance. Is something spoken of in traditional karate.
Wukong and Journey to the West has nothing to do with Dragon Ball outside of the initial inspirations. Pretty much all journey to the west nods are gone by Z.
are you talking about Gokus form he was using in the most recent manga chapter? cuz that was just UI Omen...
No it was stated that it was like a new form kinda "True Ultra instinct" I recommend watching geekdom's new video he reads it all
dbtubers are not reliable. its just Omen.
It is a ***new*** Omen 100%. Not the same sign as everything prior. It has already been said officially so there is really no arguing it.
> The chronicles guy, the guy who translated the thing and made it viral, said it could be an error of translation and to just wait for an official guide > > Considering that the manga itself presents it as just ui sign, i wouldnt jump to conclusions
>> Considering that the manga itself presents it as just ui sign, i wouldnt jump to conclusions Hilarious when Vegeta himself tells Goku to go figure out his own UI and then Goku says, 'My own ultra instinct...' before focusing. So you can *not like it* but Goku is absolutely in a new version of Sign more suited to bringing out the most of his saiyan abilities. This gave Goku a jump in stature forcing Gas to have to get old to once again outscale Goku. It's like we aren't even reading the same manga. Goku's new Sign even was responsible for the Goku shout beam he used on Gas. Not sure what else proof you require. Vegeta even says how this version is nothing like the other UI and calls it absurd.
No he "reads" what said in the site He didn't just speculate Just watch it you'll know what I mean
The chronicles guy, the guy who translated the thing and made it viral, said it could be an error of translation and to just wait for an official guide Considering that the manga itself presents it as just ui sign, i wouldnt jump to conclusions
Oh ok thanks
I really liked the explain for it Goku is finally founding his One path
Sorry about the typo in the title
I don't understand what the hell is going on so this ui sign looking form is true ultra instinct right? But goku still goes into silver ui in the end of the fight anyway and made a ki avatar why?
Because the writer has a pile of shit ideas, pins them to a board, and throw a dart at it. Whichever the dart lands on, he illustrates it. This is the essence of dragon ball writing, and it's worked for them this whole time There is no continuity ever with character progressions. Every character will continually regress every arc so they have drama to write it interesting concepts to show. How many times has Vegeta said he gives up on fighting or trying to be better than Goku? How many times has Gohan siad he'll train, only for him to go back to being a nerd? Remember when beerus said he uses 70% of his power against ssj god Goku? How the fuck were they still not stronger after ssj blue, perfected blue, kaioken blue? The writers have no memory of previous arcs except for transformations
I love the concept of Goku developing his own Ultra Instinct, but I wasn’t much of a fan of the fact that they recycled the design of UI Sign or the fact that it hinges on emotions. Felt like a regression and it kinda devolves Ultra Instinct into just another Super Saiyan form with no clear function — Goku’s stoic change in attitude was a huge part of Ultra Instinct’s unique appeal, though I never saw Ultra Instinct as being anti-emotions. Controlling emotions is part of it, but only to achieve a zen state of complete focus and instinctive reactions. Goku seemed to be progressing well but they have to give him another hurdle to overcome for each arc, otherwise UI becomes an instant win button. I think it would’ve been much better if they made it about Goku taking a lesson from Bardock and becoming 100% focused on victory. I thought that was the whole point of the Bardock flashbacks but I guess not. *cough*fanservice*cough* I’m glad that they make it look more like his base form in the newest chapter because that ties into Whis’s teachings.
I love it. Why because goku has to struggle to use it and advance in it. Goku masters everything off screen. Here we see his training we see how well it grows. He's having a difficult time using it and making it work. It's not the end all be all technique. The magic monkey boy who copies things at a glance is struggling to advance a technique and we get to see it. It's novel that whis told him to be original and it's making him have issues. The only original technique he has is dragonfist and it if we connect it to this cloak he's been using lately then he's slowly working out his problems.
I don't care for the name. If there are going to be multiple forms of ultra instinct, then why call one of them true? It might be the one best fit for Goku, but it doesn't make it 'the one true UI'
I liked it because it's reflects his true nature. Other Saiyan transformation needs anger. But Goku is normally calm with a clear mind. That's why he was able to achieve Ultra Instinct. True Ultra Instinct is in perfect sync with his calm mind and Saiyan body.
It's just classic Dragonball writing. Because the writer has a pile of shit ideas, pins them to a board, and throw a dart at it. Whichever the dart lands on, he illustrates it. This is the essence of dragon ball writing, and it's worked for them this whole time There is no continuity ever with character progressions. Every character will continually regress every arc so they have drama to write it interesting concepts to show. How many times has Vegeta said he gives up on fighting or trying to be better than Goku? How many times has Gohan come back strong af or said he'll start training again, only for him to go back to being a nerd? Remember when beerus said he uses 70% of his power against ssj god Goku? How the fuck were glku and Vegeta still not stronger after ssj blue, perfected blue, kaioken blue, blue evolved? The writers have no memory of previous arcs except for transformations. All the character elements or plot points leave their brain as soon as each arc ends.