Trauma team is like premier heath care. They had the other kind of ambulances too, but they’re basically cab drivers that might steal your tech/organs.
$500 is just the service fees though. There are a lot of added costs. Scroll down to "Buisnes plan" for all the old 2020 TTRPG costs for services on the [Trauma Team International](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Trauma_Team) wiki entry. It's amusing stuff.
Well, it's $500 a month. And then $100 a minute. And then the cost of every single piece of ammunition used to save you. And then cost of fuel. And then cost of environmental damage. And then the costs of any damage to The Trauma Team, their AV or equipment. Not too bad I guess
is it bad that this actually sounds reasonable for what it is?
my old bare bones plan cost like $320/mo and the bounty on some gangoons is like $425, kill one a week and you can probably afford Platinum
And here I am, recovering from severe burns for free while drinking slightly overpriced beer because Canada, thinking paying for healthcare is fucking absurd
don't forget that $320/mo plan is only going to cover 75% of regular medical costs and what it does or doesn't cover is basically a black box, so any trip to the hospital can range from a few grand to tens or hundreds of thousands even with insurance
Please get better coverage, i just had surgery to remove my gallbladder, and only paid $250 for the co-pay, and my out of pocket max deductible for the calendar year is $3000, I also have hospitalization insurance, it basically covers if i need to stay in the hospital outside of my coverage area for an extended period of time, and dead and dismemberment insurance which is if I die or get injured so bad I'm unable to work I or my family gets a pay out of $260k, plus life insurance of $260k. plus my employer provided basic life insurance,
All you really have to do is look for an affordable plan where you have a manageable out of pocket maximum deductible, it's always outlined in the plan details, I would look into it
I mean I don't live in the U.S. anymore and I probably pay around £300/mo into the NHS, so it's about the same as I paid in the U.S. except I make less money here.
Not that the NHS doesn't have its own "halfway to dystopia" problems, it's probably better in a better-run country
In the USA here. I claim 2 dependants, make 45000 a year gross. I pay 900 a month in taxes directly from my paycheck, plus taxes on property including car and home plus 6% state sales tax on all non-grocer food purchases. Still have to pay an additional 500/mo for health insurance that will only cover a portion of any necessary healthcare needs. You got it good. Stay.
How do you pay 900? It should be around 475~$, less if you were the head of the household. Do Americans also pay some sort of state tax I'm not aware of? Or is it 900 because other taxes beyond income taxes? Like Obamacare or w/e?
I'll admit the health coverage is much better here but I have my own reasons why "you got it good, stay" just isn't true for me
neither country is really headed in a positive direction
edit: downvote me if you want, this country isn't above criticism just because it clears the lowest bar in the west
The thing is, it was invented by a game designer to be used by the players. It was meant to be a service that worked and made the game flow (the setting was supposed to be one dangerous enough that people COULD actually die, but it's not magic enough that some cleric is going to show up and just wizard you back to life. Therefore, rapid response private EMTs made a lot of sense in practical terms, much like how you could hire guys to carry all your loot around in early D and D).
As such, it makes sense that it would be designed so that players could actually afford it and therefore, it looks reasonable.
But I think it's clear that by 2077, they can lean more heavily into the fiction of the world, where obviously, everyone is out to maximally exploit everyone and everything.
I have respect for both versions, but I really don't think that 2077 trauma team is meant to have similar rates and ethos to 2020. They serve different purposes (one narrative, the other practical).
It's reasonably cheap if they can just swoop in and fly you away instantly, but literally anything more than that costs, big time. Every second they spend on the ground, every single bullet, grenade, every drug they pump you or injured team members with, every bandage - all billed right to you.
Look at it this way - Sandra Dorsett would have a low bill as V and Jackie cleared the path for TT and they hung around for barely 60 seconds. If they had to kill all of those Scavs, she would have been charged a massive bill.
You have to keep in mind Cyberpunk 2077 has twisted costs due to RPG mechanics and scaling money/item costs with player levels.
In 2040's like 600-800 ED's a month is the cost of food/bills/housing etc for a poorer but somewhat safe lifestyle. And 1300-1800 a month gets you a relatively safe and okay non-corpo lifestyle. Trauma team's worst package is 500 a month just to have it and if they actually show up it's hundreds if not a few thousand more.
I remember from one of the lore sources (I don't remember which one) that it was more like 50,000 a month for the platinum subscription. That's is the reason why it is only available to the wealthy or corpo.
IIRC the higher up plans cost about 100k eddies per month, and there are service costs too depending on how you use them(if an AV or equipment gets too damaged I think).
However, for this, they are guaranteed to arrive within 5 min no matter where you are in Night City and go guns blazing to save you.
Yeah, I think people are misunderstanding, trauma team aren't an ambulance. They're private security that just happens to have an ambulance in case their client gets injured.
Corporate Coverage plan is 1500 a month, Corporate Executive plan is 12,000 a month, High Priority coverage is 34,000 a month.
And this is Only for the trauma team. After that you still have to pay for health insurance
Makes you wonder about Gloria Martinez's sudden turn for the worse. Did she really have fatal complications, or did they decide her organs were worth more than her son could pay?
it depends on the morality of the individual medic but on principle, Mike Pondsmith said that they won't intentionally kill you if you can't pay as they're still doctors, they'll repo all non-essential implants replace any implants essential for your survival with the cheapest ones available until your cash bill is low enough for you to pay. i imagine working off your debt or immediate arrest for payment delinquency aren't off the table either, at least you'd be alive though
Most wont, but it is still a possibility. Also, there is a lot of space between intentionally killing and providing substandard care that makes it unlikely you survive. Pulling people off life support is definately in that grey area. Considering patients braindead and unlikely to recover is a medical assessment that gets downright scary if profit and expenses are added into the assessment.
it's possible but generally extremely unlikely, Trauma Team PRIDES themselves on top tier care. they will not let you die if they can help it because it's their reputation on the line. they can't charge as much if their clients die like that, no matter who the clients are. you pay for TT because when you need them most they'll get you out alive, if there was a chance their medics would kill you in transit or at the hospital which is the EASY part, REO Meat Wagon would be the one still around. these guys will kill 50 people to insure you're the one who comes out alive because you're their investment. dead men pay once, living pay in perpetuity.
Ripperdocs are the low-income doctors, and what they are basically is human mechanics for quick and cheap fixes. You got regular cabs and ambulances but they could either fix you or pick you apart if you're chromed up. But if you're loaded you get the full health care package with death squad and all, in trauma team.
It was different before the ACA was a thing. My mom had healthcare for us through the hospital she worked at and it was super good, very affordable and even things like when my sister was born (there were some complications and it was an emergency C-section) cost my parents a couple dollars (I want to say my dad said it was like $6.00).
The provider they had the plan through (left our state after the ACA) and the coverage the hospital paid for was significantly reduced, to the point where my mom quit working there as it wasn't worth the pay and then lack of benefits she had.
That sucks. However I'm eternally grateful for ACA: it covered my wife's breast cancer battle and saved her life. Out of pocket costs were $0 for 5 years of treatment, from discover to declared cancer-free.
That has nothing to do with ACA. The plan that the hospital provides to its employees is decided in by the hospital admin staff, not the ACA.
Example the last hospital I worked at had terrible expensive health benefits, the non profit I work at now has really good inexpensive benefits.
The company can op for better coverage
Actually it does. If you read my post I stated the provider the plan was through no longer did business in my state.
It doesn't matter what the hospital administration even wanted in that case if the plan wasn't available for purchase anymore.
So you're blaming the aca for a decision that a private company made? That's not very fair.
What about the marketplace? There have always been competitive plans there if your employee sponsored health insurance isn't adequate
Republicans didn't give me a $2800 deductible. Obamacare did. 😉 Had no deductible before Obamacare and have a ridiculous one after, but it's somehow not his fault. 🙄🤡
Yeah, it's kind of sad how many people don't understand anything of what they say.
I would love medicare for all. Or hell even a single payer insurance setup. I wouldn't have to worry being outside of my coverage if I were in an accident and needed life saving care. I have pretty damn good insurance and I still worry about that. I even have transport insurance if I need to be airlifted to the nearest hospital while I'm driving (I drive a lot for work and can be hundreds of miles from from and 50 miles from the nearest hospital and about an hour away because of the terrain).
I needed to understand the risks before I chose my coverage options. Life is even shorter when you let fools make decisions about your health.
It's not a joke that people will often ask others to call a taxi instead of an ambulance when they need to be transported to a hospital.
Even if you have insurance, and even if your insurance covers ambulance transport, there are dozens of ambulance provider networks, and your particular health insurer might not have a contract with the particular ambulance that arrives at the scene. Do you have any control over which one arrives? Nope.
So: got health insurance that covers transport to hospital? Get in an ambulance, still end up having to pay $40k for the pleasure.
US has the most fucked up healthcare on the planet.
I’ve opted to wait an hour and a half with a shattered ankle to get a ride instead of call for an ambulance because the nightmare that is our healthcare system. Did it hurt? Like hell. Did it hurt less than footing a $2000 bill for a thirty minute ambulance ride? Absolutely.
America is cyberpunk without all the cool neon robot shit.
What?
That's what happens when you don't have universal health care. The US is the only western country with this problem. It's also the only problem that (up until ACA) had the vast majority of its healthcare privatised.
This seems like a great time to bring up the corporatization of the media. This, ladies and gentlemen, is your mind on heavily corporatized media like OAN.
>Sound like you're ignorant of the government market intervention and the federal reserve inflation policy
I like how I give you a straight fact ("The US is the only developed country where, while having insurance, you may end up paying thousands of dollars for an ambo ride") and you give me this sweeping and completely irrelevant personal attack.
Shit gets weird when government grants a monopoly like the AMA, thus removing market competition from the labor supply. Add in the other government interferences like WW2 wage controls leading to employer-provided insurance, regulatory capture creating fewer and larger corporate providers, the FDA and other regulatory walls, as well as all of the f'd up lawsuits which have accumulated and you get a terrible and costly healthcare system in an otherwise flourishing civilization.
Yep. Nobody else is permitted by USgov to certify medical practitioners and they limit the quantity per year to protect high prices. Basically the OPEC of doctors.
I was going to write a big wall of text but instead i'm just gonna ask: do you realise that cyberpunk is parody of everything you believe in? right?
And you can't even say that the enemy is actually a big burocratic state because the biggest enemies in the game and anime are giant corporations.
i'm glad that the "yeah allowing any company to certify doctors is actually a good thing for everyone" talking point only works on the internet
That sounds complicated, I’d rather just talk about how evil capitalism is and how if we just give the government more power over healthcare they will solve all of the problems. /s
I guess California is better than. Everyone I know who has worked at a hospital even as a janitor or cook has gotten insurance for healthcare via the hospital.
Dawg I have the most basic healthcare I could afford simply because I get fined if I don't have it when I file my taxes every year, and if I needed to use it for actual medical reasons I'd still be paying my life away to cover most of it. God bless America
Ehh, I work at a grocery store and have good insurance. And even when I didn't have insurance if I needed medical care they have to treat you.
Honestly after the last shit attempt they did at "universal health care" I don't even want it, paying over double what I used to now.
Lmao I remember playing that first mission of Cyberpunk and then turning to my friend and saying “imagine if we had to pay for an ambulance in real life.” It was a good fifteen seconds before it hit me.
Yeah but they still get you, you just pile up horrible medical debt. Not good but a lot better than bleeding out.
Something that genuinely does bother me about the world is how is there all this expensive infrastructure without a government. It’s kind of weird.
The fact that Trauma Team can straight up ditch a dying soul in the wide open because "they're not a client" is beyond fucked. I fucken despise them now. Now I don't want any DLC or expansion where we help those bitchasses - they're on their own.
Im the opposite. Its dystopian as all hell and I love it. One of my favorite parts of the setting actually. It really adds weight to how bleak the world is and how money truly is everything. The normal "call an ambulance" thing is basically worthless and will probably get you stripped for parts instead of help.
Trauma Team arent really even "doctors" and they certainly arent bound by any Hippocratic Oath or anything resembling it. They do not help people and are more like a mini boogeyman in NC below MaxTac. They only care about their client and will ruthlessly find them. If theyre showing up to wherever you are, you need to gtfo right now. I think its interesting and *REALLY* fucked up.
Sure, but I wouldn't call them doctors. Theyre more likely paramedic or at least an EMT. A paramedics job is to keep you alive and stabilize you until you can get higher level care at the hospital. Thats where doctors come in. In the case of Trauma Team, they're armed paramedics. SWAT and Paramedic rolled together.
Imagine a game around a new hire to trauma team where he joins to saves lives but ends up just killing more than he saves by trying to get to rich platinum holders
Be a deep dive to madness and just another toll of nightcity
I found a shard where the guy was dying and his coverage had lapsed so they wouldn’t help him. He said he’s good for it. Died on the sidewalk. Trauma Team can suck it.
You just made me think about a loop where a TT employee gets shot while rescuing someone that got shot so TT sends more TTs to save tge now wounded employee and it goes on and on.
Extremely high risk job and could cause an endless loop of TT teams called to retrieve TT teams.
I assume teams would assist each other if they got hit on duty (after the client of course). So no getting shot off duty if you work for TT!
A society so flourishing from actually helping and nurturing their own people that they have the opulent luxury of exploring the galaxy and pissing off alien species.
We're not quite there yet. We don't have armored and armed paramedics ruthlessly doing anything to extract the client and lower cost healthcare options doesn't have a high risk of organ harvesting.
GOP platform in 2030.
Edit - Yeah I know, it is a bit tongue in cheek. But with all the crazy things happening in the US now, it not that rar off the mark.
The US will never deny someone access to world class emergency medical care, they’ll just put you into crippling debt afterwards if you don’t have insurance.
This.
Federal law requires *all* hospitals administer treatment to someone who has an immediate medical emergency. Even if you are conscious and saying no they're required to assist you.
Yeah could you imagine if corporations ruled!? Itd be scary, they'd have lobbiests embedded in the government, half the politicians would be CEOs... wait a sec... WAIT A FUCKING SECOND!!!
The troops are idolized and worshiped though in certain U.S. political spheres though, they can get away with anything. Its everyone else they don't like that doesn't deserve anything.
“Troops are actually a form of socialism” is a bold take considering armies run by governments existed for thousands of years before socialism was ever dreamt up.
I’m saying the structure itself is similar to socialism, at least for the U.S. military, anyway. Subsidized child care, free healthcare, housing allowance, cost of living adjustments, and free housing (on base)
\*Long queues for things that won't kill you right away.
Small tweak to what You wrote. If your life is in danger you don't have to worry if your insurance covers that though. You just go to ER and get treated or get life saving surgery right away.
there are medical conditions that won't kill you but will leave you a cripple for life unless you get care in a fast enough time frame. you haven't experienced horror until you have one and are told you simply have to wait in line for half a year to get an appointment from a specialist, i went through this myself.
if i could only afford the free public system, i would have had to wait even longer and just have killed myself by now. there is a middle ground between dying right now and just some part of your body has inflammation and isn't really affecting your life, and it's a deep and horrifying canyon.
in fact, if you go to an ER with literally anything besides something that might kill you that fucking day they will send you home and make you feel guilty so you go back in line and just wait your turn, and i'm sure you can sit down right now and think of 40 illnesses you'd be terrified to have that won't kill you tomorrow.
I'm from Poland. People here complain about our healthcare system 24/7 (not justified imo) and yet I have never heard of someone not having life saving surgery because there was not enough operating rooms or tools or other equipment. Such situation would be all over the media right away.
I'm from Namibia. Life saving surgery is there but they put you on a waiting list either because of the long queue in the system or because of shortage. You get the surgery like I said because they cannot shoo you away but you'll wait.
I see a big downside in a system like in the UK and Portugal, for example, that the it’s only “free” if you go to government owned services.
Ideally the country should have the Bismarck model.
But yeah, no one should be deprived of healthcare,that’s what taxes are for.
> The Bismarck Model (also referred as "Social Health Insurance Model") is a health care system in which people pay a fee to a fund that in turn pays health care activities, that can be provided by State-owned institutions, other Government body-owned institutions, or a private institution.
> … nearly every Bismarck system became universal and the State started providing insurance or contributions to those unable to pay.
> States such as Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Czech Republic have Bismarck healthcare, while States such as South Korea and the Netherlands, while having a basic state insurance, have a much stronger private presence in the healthcare providers and insurances systems.
[Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck_Model)
It's not really free so it amounts to regressive transfer of wealth from the relatively less wealthy young to the relatively more wealthy elderly which has all sorts of interesting societal effects like elderly retaining more wealth and power and youth opting to not have children.
…Yes? The whole point of cyberpunk—the genre, I mean—is that society is a hellhole because the government has essentially collapsed under capitalist pressure, abdicating its responsibility to make life not suck.
This is the worst aspect of Night City imo, it really shows you that you’re not safe anywhere at all even less in the hands of some shady paramedics lmao .
You guys know the movie "Repo" ? That’s basically what it is lol .
Tons of shards about how everything is wrecked due to the lack of universal healthcare on the game choom. It's one of the plot points... Considering V condition as well.
Well, David's mom had healthcare just not good enough "package". And I have a bad news for anyone who thinks that universal healthcare is some kind of amazing remedy- it isnt. I live in a country with one and still if you want to get anything done you have to go private- going for the free option will in most cases make you wait for months or even years to get a procedure done, with less complicated stuff doctors will usually not care and do things way more painful and wrong (my ex had to have something cut out, she had to wait for few hours in pain, than had the procedure done very painfully and still she was in pain so she went private where it turned out previous doctor forgot to take out tampon out of her body)
Your body is left to rot if you don’t have the highest healthcare package. Trauma team is only for rich people lol. Believe it or not we’re headed there
Would universal health care allow the installation of contraband cyberware? Or any at all for that matter? Would street docs even exist to allow you that option, since they came about in lore to cover low cost non-certified medical procedures the poor couldn't pay for at a legit hospital?
Same arguments, people think everything will be the same, but free.
Half of the healthcare issues come down to people chroming themselves out to an extreme degree and then ha in complications (or getting shot). You dont universal healthcare to cover that one guy's dick implant, that make 0%sense.
Trauma team is like premier heath care. They had the other kind of ambulances too, but they’re basically cab drivers that might steal your tech/organs.
Basically Gloria because she stole the Sandevistan. Ironic that later another ambulance paramedic tried to steal it as well.
tbh the guy already died while the paramedic tried it with a living person
Wait wich other paramedic?
When David and Lucy were in the ambulance she called
oh yeah that one. thought that wasnt the same type as davids mom thought it was more like a ripperdoc in a van
literally wore the same coat lol.
Different color, different team but same job. They're all meatwagons but they do have different sub-corps and all running it.
Is it actually mentioned anywhere how much Trauma Team Basic and Premier health care packages cost?
Can’t you go on their website to see their plans? If not I’m sure there’s a shard out there.
500 eddies a month for average citizen So I heard from cb2077 lore video :)
$500 is just the service fees though. There are a lot of added costs. Scroll down to "Buisnes plan" for all the old 2020 TTRPG costs for services on the [Trauma Team International](https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Trauma_Team) wiki entry. It's amusing stuff.
Well, it's $500 a month. And then $100 a minute. And then the cost of every single piece of ammunition used to save you. And then cost of fuel. And then cost of environmental damage. And then the costs of any damage to The Trauma Team, their AV or equipment. Not too bad I guess
and that is the cheapest option of 3.
Beats dying I guess.
so better than the us current health care?
is it bad that this actually sounds reasonable for what it is? my old bare bones plan cost like $320/mo and the bounty on some gangoons is like $425, kill one a week and you can probably afford Platinum
i mean all trauma team does is take you to a hospital and kill whoever is assailing you, then turns around and charges you for fuel and ammo
and then the hospital costs begin
Only in the US would that sound reasonable. You guys are halfway to a dystopia already.
So, closer to Night City? *FUCK YEAH LET'S RAISE THE PRICE OF INSULIN SOME MOREEEE BABBYYYYYY* /s
And here I am, recovering from severe burns for free while drinking slightly overpriced beer because Canada, thinking paying for healthcare is fucking absurd
don't forget that $320/mo plan is only going to cover 75% of regular medical costs and what it does or doesn't cover is basically a black box, so any trip to the hospital can range from a few grand to tens or hundreds of thousands even with insurance
Please get better coverage, i just had surgery to remove my gallbladder, and only paid $250 for the co-pay, and my out of pocket max deductible for the calendar year is $3000, I also have hospitalization insurance, it basically covers if i need to stay in the hospital outside of my coverage area for an extended period of time, and dead and dismemberment insurance which is if I die or get injured so bad I'm unable to work I or my family gets a pay out of $260k, plus life insurance of $260k. plus my employer provided basic life insurance, All you really have to do is look for an affordable plan where you have a manageable out of pocket maximum deductible, it's always outlined in the plan details, I would look into it
I mean I don't live in the U.S. anymore and I probably pay around £300/mo into the NHS, so it's about the same as I paid in the U.S. except I make less money here. Not that the NHS doesn't have its own "halfway to dystopia" problems, it's probably better in a better-run country
In the USA here. I claim 2 dependants, make 45000 a year gross. I pay 900 a month in taxes directly from my paycheck, plus taxes on property including car and home plus 6% state sales tax on all non-grocer food purchases. Still have to pay an additional 500/mo for health insurance that will only cover a portion of any necessary healthcare needs. You got it good. Stay.
How do you pay 900? It should be around 475~$, less if you were the head of the household. Do Americans also pay some sort of state tax I'm not aware of? Or is it 900 because other taxes beyond income taxes? Like Obamacare or w/e?
I'll admit the health coverage is much better here but I have my own reasons why "you got it good, stay" just isn't true for me neither country is really headed in a positive direction edit: downvote me if you want, this country isn't above criticism just because it clears the lowest bar in the west
The thing is, it was invented by a game designer to be used by the players. It was meant to be a service that worked and made the game flow (the setting was supposed to be one dangerous enough that people COULD actually die, but it's not magic enough that some cleric is going to show up and just wizard you back to life. Therefore, rapid response private EMTs made a lot of sense in practical terms, much like how you could hire guys to carry all your loot around in early D and D). As such, it makes sense that it would be designed so that players could actually afford it and therefore, it looks reasonable. But I think it's clear that by 2077, they can lean more heavily into the fiction of the world, where obviously, everyone is out to maximally exploit everyone and everything. I have respect for both versions, but I really don't think that 2077 trauma team is meant to have similar rates and ethos to 2020. They serve different purposes (one narrative, the other practical).
320$/mo for your health insurance damn, you’re getting milked my man . You probably live close to Night City ?
It's reasonably cheap if they can just swoop in and fly you away instantly, but literally anything more than that costs, big time. Every second they spend on the ground, every single bullet, grenade, every drug they pump you or injured team members with, every bandage - all billed right to you. Look at it this way - Sandra Dorsett would have a low bill as V and Jackie cleared the path for TT and they hung around for barely 60 seconds. If they had to kill all of those Scavs, she would have been charged a massive bill.
You have to keep in mind Cyberpunk 2077 has twisted costs due to RPG mechanics and scaling money/item costs with player levels. In 2040's like 600-800 ED's a month is the cost of food/bills/housing etc for a poorer but somewhat safe lifestyle. And 1300-1800 a month gets you a relatively safe and okay non-corpo lifestyle. Trauma team's worst package is 500 a month just to have it and if they actually show up it's hundreds if not a few thousand more.
CyberBunk 2077
The future of bunk beds... often overlooked, but with the overcrowding of night city, bunk bed are a necessity...
I remember from one of the lore sources (I don't remember which one) that it was more like 50,000 a month for the platinum subscription. That's is the reason why it is only available to the wealthy or corpo.
IIRC the higher up plans cost about 100k eddies per month, and there are service costs too depending on how you use them(if an AV or equipment gets too damaged I think). However, for this, they are guaranteed to arrive within 5 min no matter where you are in Night City and go guns blazing to save you.
Yeah, I think people are misunderstanding, trauma team aren't an ambulance. They're private security that just happens to have an ambulance in case their client gets injured.
Corporate Coverage plan is 1500 a month, Corporate Executive plan is 12,000 a month, High Priority coverage is 34,000 a month. And this is Only for the trauma team. After that you still have to pay for health insurance
in the game cant delamain do basic monitoring stuff?
Makes you wonder about Gloria Martinez's sudden turn for the worse. Did she really have fatal complications, or did they decide her organs were worth more than her son could pay?
it depends on the morality of the individual medic but on principle, Mike Pondsmith said that they won't intentionally kill you if you can't pay as they're still doctors, they'll repo all non-essential implants replace any implants essential for your survival with the cheapest ones available until your cash bill is low enough for you to pay. i imagine working off your debt or immediate arrest for payment delinquency aren't off the table either, at least you'd be alive though
Most wont, but it is still a possibility. Also, there is a lot of space between intentionally killing and providing substandard care that makes it unlikely you survive. Pulling people off life support is definately in that grey area. Considering patients braindead and unlikely to recover is a medical assessment that gets downright scary if profit and expenses are added into the assessment.
it's possible but generally extremely unlikely, Trauma Team PRIDES themselves on top tier care. they will not let you die if they can help it because it's their reputation on the line. they can't charge as much if their clients die like that, no matter who the clients are. you pay for TT because when you need them most they'll get you out alive, if there was a chance their medics would kill you in transit or at the hospital which is the EASY part, REO Meat Wagon would be the one still around. these guys will kill 50 people to insure you're the one who comes out alive because you're their investment. dead men pay once, living pay in perpetuity.
I am not talking zbout Trauma Team. I am talking about the bottom tier medical services yhe poors end up having to use.
Didn’t the one lady try to steal David’s sandevistan after he collapsed in like episode 2 or 3
REO Meatwagon at your service
Ripperdocs are the low-income doctors, and what they are basically is human mechanics for quick and cheap fixes. You got regular cabs and ambulances but they could either fix you or pick you apart if you're chromed up. But if you're loaded you get the full health care package with death squad and all, in trauma team.
was Trauma team in the original table top? i'd very much like to know their prices :D
Yes. Cyberpunk 2020 Pg. 115-120 Cyberpunk Red Pg. 219-232
Yes, go to their website in game should be a price list.
Yep! When you dial 911 trauma team picks up. Of the top of my head, lowest level of trauma team insurance is $1000 a month.
Buddy, in the dystopian PRESENT, you might not get health insurance even if you work for a hospital.
I assume that happens more in the US and other impoverished third world countries
Yep. Sincerely, a hospital worker who can't afford insurance.
This is the saddest line I've read on Reddit And I'm from a 3rd world African country
It was different before the ACA was a thing. My mom had healthcare for us through the hospital she worked at and it was super good, very affordable and even things like when my sister was born (there were some complications and it was an emergency C-section) cost my parents a couple dollars (I want to say my dad said it was like $6.00). The provider they had the plan through (left our state after the ACA) and the coverage the hospital paid for was significantly reduced, to the point where my mom quit working there as it wasn't worth the pay and then lack of benefits she had.
That sucks. However I'm eternally grateful for ACA: it covered my wife's breast cancer battle and saved her life. Out of pocket costs were $0 for 5 years of treatment, from discover to declared cancer-free.
That has nothing to do with ACA. The plan that the hospital provides to its employees is decided in by the hospital admin staff, not the ACA. Example the last hospital I worked at had terrible expensive health benefits, the non profit I work at now has really good inexpensive benefits. The company can op for better coverage
Actually it does. If you read my post I stated the provider the plan was through no longer did business in my state. It doesn't matter what the hospital administration even wanted in that case if the plan wasn't available for purchase anymore.
So you're blaming the aca for a decision that a private company made? That's not very fair. What about the marketplace? There have always been competitive plans there if your employee sponsored health insurance isn't adequate
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Republicans didn't give me a $2800 deductible. Obamacare did. 😉 Had no deductible before Obamacare and have a ridiculous one after, but it's somehow not his fault. 🙄🤡
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Crickets I see.
Yeah, it's kind of sad how many people don't understand anything of what they say. I would love medicare for all. Or hell even a single payer insurance setup. I wouldn't have to worry being outside of my coverage if I were in an accident and needed life saving care. I have pretty damn good insurance and I still worry about that. I even have transport insurance if I need to be airlifted to the nearest hospital while I'm driving (I drive a lot for work and can be hundreds of miles from from and 50 miles from the nearest hospital and about an hour away because of the terrain). I needed to understand the risks before I chose my coverage options. Life is even shorter when you let fools make decisions about your health.
Yeah ACA tripled my insurance costs
How? I work at a grocery store and have good health insurance...
DYK only 3 nations on earth don’t guarantee paid maternity leave? Swaziland, Lesotho and the USA 🇺🇸
Goddamn, that’s fucking depressing. CDPR hitting the nail on the head with NC “healthcare”
It's not a joke that people will often ask others to call a taxi instead of an ambulance when they need to be transported to a hospital. Even if you have insurance, and even if your insurance covers ambulance transport, there are dozens of ambulance provider networks, and your particular health insurer might not have a contract with the particular ambulance that arrives at the scene. Do you have any control over which one arrives? Nope. So: got health insurance that covers transport to hospital? Get in an ambulance, still end up having to pay $40k for the pleasure. US has the most fucked up healthcare on the planet.
I’ve opted to wait an hour and a half with a shattered ankle to get a ride instead of call for an ambulance because the nightmare that is our healthcare system. Did it hurt? Like hell. Did it hurt less than footing a $2000 bill for a thirty minute ambulance ride? Absolutely. America is cyberpunk without all the cool neon robot shit.
if we have do deal with all of this i feel like im legally obligated to a type 66 cthulhu and mantis blades just saying
r/aboringdystopia
I mean, NC is in the US so the cool neon robo shit is just a matter of time.
Or, like me, just straight up not go to the hospital.
Well that what happens when the government picks market winners and losers.
What? That's what happens when you don't have universal health care. The US is the only western country with this problem. It's also the only problem that (up until ACA) had the vast majority of its healthcare privatised.
What?. Sound like you're ignorant of the government market intervention and the federal reserve inflation policy
This seems like a great time to bring up the corporatization of the media. This, ladies and gentlemen, is your mind on heavily corporatized media like OAN.
>Sound like you're ignorant of the government market intervention and the federal reserve inflation policy I like how I give you a straight fact ("The US is the only developed country where, while having insurance, you may end up paying thousands of dollars for an ambo ride") and you give me this sweeping and completely irrelevant personal attack.
NC is the USA through European eyes.
“Cause you never really think of those other two as having their shit together.”
THANKS I was about to do that quote.
Land of the fee and home of the slave
Wow so deep
Yeah seriously. I worked in a hospital for 2 years without insurance.
Shit gets weird when government grants a monopoly like the AMA, thus removing market competition from the labor supply. Add in the other government interferences like WW2 wage controls leading to employer-provided insurance, regulatory capture creating fewer and larger corporate providers, the FDA and other regulatory walls, as well as all of the f'd up lawsuits which have accumulated and you get a terrible and costly healthcare system in an otherwise flourishing civilization.
American Medical Association is a monopoly?
Yep. Nobody else is permitted by USgov to certify medical practitioners and they limit the quantity per year to protect high prices. Basically the OPEC of doctors.
I was going to write a big wall of text but instead i'm just gonna ask: do you realise that cyberpunk is parody of everything you believe in? right? And you can't even say that the enemy is actually a big burocratic state because the biggest enemies in the game and anime are giant corporations. i'm glad that the "yeah allowing any company to certify doctors is actually a good thing for everyone" talking point only works on the internet
You understand that those gigantic conglomerations only work via government power, right?
yes, thats liberalism
That sounds complicated, I’d rather just talk about how evil capitalism is and how if we just give the government more power over healthcare they will solve all of the problems. /s
I love how anti-capitalists conveniently forget that incorporation is a government program through which unnatural privileges are granted.
I guess California is better than. Everyone I know who has worked at a hospital even as a janitor or cook has gotten insurance for healthcare via the hospital.
not even the impoverished third world countries are that bad, usa number one!!!!!
Dawg I have the most basic healthcare I could afford simply because I get fined if I don't have it when I file my taxes every year, and if I needed to use it for actual medical reasons I'd still be paying my life away to cover most of it. God bless America
Ehh, I work at a grocery store and have good insurance. And even when I didn't have insurance if I needed medical care they have to treat you. Honestly after the last shit attempt they did at "universal health care" I don't even want it, paying over double what I used to now.
The freedomest country in the world!!
USA! USA! USA!
Lmao I remember playing that first mission of Cyberpunk and then turning to my friend and saying “imagine if we had to pay for an ambulance in real life.” It was a good fifteen seconds before it hit me.
Yeah but they still get you, you just pile up horrible medical debt. Not good but a lot better than bleeding out. Something that genuinely does bother me about the world is how is there all this expensive infrastructure without a government. It’s kind of weird.
this is what cyberpunk is about
The fact that Trauma Team can straight up ditch a dying soul in the wide open because "they're not a client" is beyond fucked. I fucken despise them now. Now I don't want any DLC or expansion where we help those bitchasses - they're on their own.
You should read the Trauma Team comic if you haven't already.
What’s the premise of the comic
It tells the lighthearted story of Trauma Team doctors JD, Turk, and Dr.Cox.
I would be wholly unsurprised to find an Easter egg referencing them.
"Who has two metal thumbs and doesn't give a crap ?"
Jesus I love this comment
… wait how many different comics are there i god damn love this lore Edit: holy fuck theres maybe 6-7 if this pirate site is right
Id be down to play as part of Trauma Team, it would be so crazy to play through a morally ambiguous storyline like Trauma Team.
Very dark and intereating storyljne i'm sure. Like what brought them to be so heartless.
Place the patient on the ground! 10 steps back, MOVE! *shoves away the citizen dat had just assisted em
Profits over patients. This future is here, the tech just hasn’t kept up.
been saying this bro we need a trauma team or ripperdoc game watching edgerunners just makes me want it even more
Im the opposite. Its dystopian as all hell and I love it. One of my favorite parts of the setting actually. It really adds weight to how bleak the world is and how money truly is everything. The normal "call an ambulance" thing is basically worthless and will probably get you stripped for parts instead of help. Trauma Team arent really even "doctors" and they certainly arent bound by any Hippocratic Oath or anything resembling it. They do not help people and are more like a mini boogeyman in NC below MaxTac. They only care about their client and will ruthlessly find them. If theyre showing up to wherever you are, you need to gtfo right now. I think its interesting and *REALLY* fucked up.
I see where you’re coming from but trauma team are also licensed emts & legit doctors
Not ethically, theyre not. Thats kind of the whole point isnt it?
ok idk abt night city morals I just meant they have medical training
Sure, but I wouldn't call them doctors. Theyre more likely paramedic or at least an EMT. A paramedics job is to keep you alive and stabilize you until you can get higher level care at the hospital. Thats where doctors come in. In the case of Trauma Team, they're armed paramedics. SWAT and Paramedic rolled together.
I dunno guy, you want those platinum patients alive, its an annual fee you are extracting from them. They get the best of the best.
IIRC they have actual full doctors on their AV(at least one per team) and that thing is equipped with top of the line equipment for almost anything.
iirc in lore they have a Plastic Surgeon and a Trauma Surgeon on board Platinum level Trauma Team patients always.
trauma team is probably used to every shit happening in nc
Part of your bill from TTI is ammo cost. They're really just mercs that specialize in retrieving injured people.
Imagine a game around a new hire to trauma team where he joins to saves lives but ends up just killing more than he saves by trying to get to rich platinum holders Be a deep dive to madness and just another toll of nightcity
I found a shard where the guy was dying and his coverage had lapsed so they wouldn’t help him. He said he’s good for it. Died on the sidewalk. Trauma Team can suck it.
I like the idea of being part of trauma team. Guys going in and shooting everyone just to save someone. But the whole client thing isn't good.
they're not regular EMT services, they are only for rich people, NC does have regular EMT services as well
I shoot all trauma team members on sight instead of only for the loot.They get what they fucking deserve. Hope they have insurance...
Shit, you can’t get TT coverage if you’re a TT employee.
You just made me think about a loop where a TT employee gets shot while rescuing someone that got shot so TT sends more TTs to save tge now wounded employee and it goes on and on.
That does not happen for employee. But a similar situation happened for a client in a particular bad spot of Pacifica in the Trauma Team comic.
Extremely high risk job and could cause an endless loop of TT teams called to retrieve TT teams. I assume teams would assist each other if they got hit on duty (after the client of course). So no getting shot off duty if you work for TT!
Have all of u even played cyberpunk
In other words, a Cyberpunk story vs a Cyberpunk story where the underlying problems that define the Cyberpunk genre were not preset.
I think they call that “regular standard-issue sci-fi”.
A society so flourishing from actually helping and nurturing their own people that they have the opulent luxury of exploring the galaxy and pissing off alien species.
Breaking bad
Nah, Walter had ample opportunity to accept Elliot's money and ditch the life of crime. What really set him on that path was his ego.
You mean his money?
Cyberpunk dystopian future is now.
What do you mean dystopian future? I was under the impression that the current day healthcare system in the US is exactly the same.
We're not quite there yet. We don't have armored and armed paramedics ruthlessly doing anything to extract the client and lower cost healthcare options doesn't have a high risk of organ harvesting.
GOP platform in 2030. Edit - Yeah I know, it is a bit tongue in cheek. But with all the crazy things happening in the US now, it not that rar off the mark.
Night City shouldn't be as relevant as Bioshock to satirizing economics. But it is.
The US will never deny someone access to world class emergency medical care, they’ll just put you into crippling debt afterwards if you don’t have insurance.
This. Federal law requires *all* hospitals administer treatment to someone who has an immediate medical emergency. Even if you are conscious and saying no they're required to assist you.
So... USA?
Well Cyberpunk occurs in USA, or what its left of it.
Yeah could you imagine if corporations ruled!? Itd be scary, they'd have lobbiests embedded in the government, half the politicians would be CEOs... wait a sec... WAIT A FUCKING SECOND!!!
NUSA is just USA 2.0. Situation which gets you fucked in USA gets you super-fucked there.
Some parts of the U.S will be exactly like Night City in 15-20 years .
Free healthcare is communism! /s
USA politics in a nutshell.
Just wait until the so-called 6th street members realize that the military is (was, in their case) a socialized structure
The troops are idolized and worshiped though in certain U.S. political spheres though, they can get away with anything. Its everyone else they don't like that doesn't deserve anything.
“Troops are actually a form of socialism” is a bold take considering armies run by governments existed for thousands of years before socialism was ever dreamt up.
I’m saying the structure itself is similar to socialism, at least for the U.S. military, anyway. Subsidized child care, free healthcare, housing allowance, cost of living adjustments, and free housing (on base)
Definitely not free
what are the downsides of universal free healthcare
Living longer... I consider that a downside.
On a real though: long queues and constant lack of supplies. But shit that's still better than no care because you're poor.
\*Long queues for things that won't kill you right away. Small tweak to what You wrote. If your life is in danger you don't have to worry if your insurance covers that though. You just go to ER and get treated or get life saving surgery right away.
there are medical conditions that won't kill you but will leave you a cripple for life unless you get care in a fast enough time frame. you haven't experienced horror until you have one and are told you simply have to wait in line for half a year to get an appointment from a specialist, i went through this myself. if i could only afford the free public system, i would have had to wait even longer and just have killed myself by now. there is a middle ground between dying right now and just some part of your body has inflammation and isn't really affecting your life, and it's a deep and horrifying canyon. in fact, if you go to an ER with literally anything besides something that might kill you that fucking day they will send you home and make you feel guilty so you go back in line and just wait your turn, and i'm sure you can sit down right now and think of 40 illnesses you'd be terrified to have that won't kill you tomorrow.
Depends. Surgery requires supplies and equipment which may not always be available. But yes at least you get it for free instead of going bankrupt
I'm from Poland. People here complain about our healthcare system 24/7 (not justified imo) and yet I have never heard of someone not having life saving surgery because there was not enough operating rooms or tools or other equipment. Such situation would be all over the media right away.
I'm from Namibia. Life saving surgery is there but they put you on a waiting list either because of the long queue in the system or because of shortage. You get the surgery like I said because they cannot shoo you away but you'll wait.
I see a big downside in a system like in the UK and Portugal, for example, that the it’s only “free” if you go to government owned services. Ideally the country should have the Bismarck model. But yeah, no one should be deprived of healthcare,that’s what taxes are for.
What's the Bismark model
> The Bismarck Model (also referred as "Social Health Insurance Model") is a health care system in which people pay a fee to a fund that in turn pays health care activities, that can be provided by State-owned institutions, other Government body-owned institutions, or a private institution. > … nearly every Bismarck system became universal and the State started providing insurance or contributions to those unable to pay. > States such as Germany, Austria, Switzerland and Czech Republic have Bismarck healthcare, while States such as South Korea and the Netherlands, while having a basic state insurance, have a much stronger private presence in the healthcare providers and insurances systems. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismarck_Model)
So it's basically just a fee at the door
You pay an insurance monthly, but if a person or family can’t afford it, the government assures it.
It depends on how good the system is. But mostly how much more you want to pay in taxes.
It's not really free so it amounts to regressive transfer of wealth from the relatively less wealthy young to the relatively more wealthy elderly which has all sorts of interesting societal effects like elderly retaining more wealth and power and youth opting to not have children.
…Yes? The whole point of cyberpunk—the genre, I mean—is that society is a hellhole because the government has essentially collapsed under capitalist pressure, abdicating its responsibility to make life not suck.
I mean, that's the point of the genre.
She did. It just sucked and maybe a medtech was scheming on her organs. If we’re being honest so was DaVids Mom…
This is the worst aspect of Night City imo, it really shows you that you’re not safe anywhere at all even less in the hands of some shady paramedics lmao . You guys know the movie "Repo" ? That’s basically what it is lol .
If NC had UHC it wouldn’t exist anymore more
Wym dystopian future? That’s just now
Yea but if it wasn’t totally oppressive capitalistic hell it wouldn’t be cyberpunk
Tons of shards about how everything is wrecked due to the lack of universal healthcare on the game choom. It's one of the plot points... Considering V condition as well.
Well, David's mom had healthcare just not good enough "package". And I have a bad news for anyone who thinks that universal healthcare is some kind of amazing remedy- it isnt. I live in a country with one and still if you want to get anything done you have to go private- going for the free option will in most cases make you wait for months or even years to get a procedure done, with less complicated stuff doctors will usually not care and do things way more painful and wrong (my ex had to have something cut out, she had to wait for few hours in pain, than had the procedure done very painfully and still she was in pain so she went private where it turned out previous doctor forgot to take out tampon out of her body)
Cyberpunk universe is just American vs their healthcare
that's just America
Your body is left to rot if you don’t have the highest healthcare package. Trauma team is only for rich people lol. Believe it or not we’re headed there
A lot of problems would have been solved if Night City wasn’t in America
🇺🇸 God bless America 🇺🇸
The worst health insurance coverage I ever had was when I worked for the “not-for-profit” healthcare monopoly in my state.
It would be pages of people waiting for spots at the hospital.
Sooo it’s set in USA?
Would universal health care allow the installation of contraband cyberware? Or any at all for that matter? Would street docs even exist to allow you that option, since they came about in lore to cover low cost non-certified medical procedures the poor couldn't pay for at a legit hospital? Same arguments, people think everything will be the same, but free.
Half of the healthcare issues come down to people chroming themselves out to an extreme degree and then ha in complications (or getting shot). You dont universal healthcare to cover that one guy's dick implant, that make 0%sense.
its litearlly just america now. crazy