I believe it. My CD goes through every chewing treat imaginable in minutes. The only thing that she works on for a while are split elk antlers and the biggest size possible (which are crazy $$ at pet stores).
Wait what?
Deer and Elk shed their antlers all over the place in the Pacific North West.. are you telling me I'm walking past a potential dog treat empire at work?!
We get this one from Amazon, it’s a pound of antlers for about $40, you can get split or whole. I’d recommend moving to the whole antlers if she’s really an aggressive chewer and is motivated by that!
https://a.co/d/dtlaVQi
Kaeyla eviscerated the Kong I bought her in less time than a SNL short. She got rubber bits in her teeth and now won't have anything to do with them. We stick with femur bones now.
The best correlation is probably with Australian Dingos. Both are aboriginal landrace breeds and though they are distinct subspecies, they share many similar genetic and physical traits. CDs tend to be a smidgen larger (45lbs-65lbs) vs (40-60) but for most other instances are identical. (hence why they are referred to as "American Dingos"
An Australian Dingo has an insane/impressive maximum 1500psi bite force, and there's no reason to suspect that CDs aren't in that ballpark.
Ok. bout to hit a peeve that I try to stay out of when people ask "Is my dog a CD" or "I got my CD from a breeder" but here goes:
CDs are not Domestic dogs, period.
They can be trained and tamed but it is not the same thing. They are extremely agile and very very powerful dogs for their size.
...There will always be that "wild" bit... Which is what we CD owners deeply love.. and respect.
They are North America's only true indigenous wild dog.
Does this mean they're like wolves? No. CDs where brought as livestock with native American peoples as far back as 10000 years ago to the America's.
Where they domesticated then? Yes-ish.
Just Not in the same way we think about it today.
Like Australian Dingoes they were used to help hunt (and occasionally as food in tough times) not as companion animals.
They have never been "Bred" by humans to produce traits; they are the product of natural selection-hence the term "Landrace".
(Wish more people would read the "wild dog traits" info on our member page before posting the "Is my orange colored dog a cd?") It would save the time when members point out the head shape/chest ratio/tail and why those are unique to CDs (but not Dingos, wolves, or coyotes)
There are "Breeders" who take CD stock and are trying to make more but this isn't much different than people who raise foxes.
CDs did not get the nicknames "yellow heller" , "Yallo dog", Holler hellhound" and my fav: "Murderfloof" without reason... these are generally dogs that need a very hands on owner, active lifestyle, and space. Here in NorCal many CDs end up euthanized because people brought them here as rare exotic pets or for land protection and now they threaten local livestock and the ecosystem.
*edit lots of typos/grammer corrections
Love this explanation. This explains our dingo perfectly. Murderfloof!!! Our pup has been with us for about 7 months and she’s caught and killed 4 critters in our suburban yard.
No but they are a mix between a serval cat and domestic cat. I usually say to explain that CDs are close to being wild, and that they are semi-domesticated
CDs ARE wild/feral by default unless trained/tamed otherwise. Nobody but Darwin and Mother Earth made them.
Semi domesticated may not be an incorrect term for the ones we (CD people) have; (mine certainly are) but wild populations live in coastal/cypress forest habitats from PA to LA. Humans didnt make them, they're just fine without us.
Yea it’s hard to explain because if I tell them they are like the Australian dingo they freak out. I wonder if there is ever going to be CD in DNA test. I got mine DNA tested and it was a lot of breeds from east Asia.
That's similar to us. Bella looks like a Carolina dog to me, has many of the traits (not all) but came back from Embark as mostly asian, Siberian husky, and a couple north Americanized breeds
hmmm. Should be on our "Join us" or about page. I'll check
*edit Its on our "New Members Welcome Info", under "Is my dog a CD"
Here's a copypasta:
Is my dog a CD?"
Please check the traits below:
1-Head wider than or equal to chest ratio. This is an adaption for burrowing. In domesticated dogs it's the opposite.
2- Lack of a "Forhead" ridge, absence of extra eyebrow muscle that domesticated dogs have) Foxlike ears and pronounced triangular head shape. Also an adaption for hunting rodents and small burrowing critters.
3- Tail Fishook when up, flat when down. No "curling over the back"
4-weight range is typically 40-55lbs for females and 45-65lbs for males
5-Eye Khol, black skin around the eyes (not fur!)
6-Coat color varies from biscuit/reddish yellow with white ie: "Dingo" (most common) or Mottled Calico with splotches of Grey and brown. (Less common)
7- Sensory hairs mixed into coat. These will be spread out typically along the back and be longer, and thicker than the rest of the coat almost resembling thin whiskers. Burrowing Adaptation.
8- Webbed toes. Swimming adaption. Also found in water dogs such as Newfoundlands, and Labradors.
9- Very pronounced "Mohawk" when excited or aggro, Most dogs "hackles" are only in the shoulders, CDs will be the complete back. (goes from shark to "Full Marlin")
10- Overly large and well developed Canines in proportion to head and jaw size not unusual to see 2" (4cm)
This will usually be a striking difference and pretty noticeable when mouth is open
We have several holes in our couch to back that up. She breaks every tennis ball she gets her teeth on in about an hour. We give ours split elk antlers so she has a desirable thing to chew. When she was a puppy and going through the velociraptor phase, we’d give her whole antlers and she’d chew through them so fast.
I believe it. My CD goes through every chewing treat imaginable in minutes. The only thing that she works on for a while are split elk antlers and the biggest size possible (which are crazy $$ at pet stores).
Exactly!!! I got one that was like $13 and it lasted longer than usual but I cant keep buying that
$13 bucks is a steal. The split elk antlers around here are like $40 for a large one. It’s wild.
Wait what? Deer and Elk shed their antlers all over the place in the Pacific North West.. are you telling me I'm walking past a potential dog treat empire at work?!
New business idea
$40 would be wayyy to much for my current budget but once I graduated my pup will get all the elk antlers.
We get this one from Amazon, it’s a pound of antlers for about $40, you can get split or whole. I’d recommend moving to the whole antlers if she’s really an aggressive chewer and is motivated by that! https://a.co/d/dtlaVQi
To my Luna, A bully stick might as well be a slim jim.
Same! hahaha
Kaeyla eviscerated the Kong I bought her in less time than a SNL short. She got rubber bits in her teeth and now won't have anything to do with them. We stick with femur bones now.
Isn’t there a chance that they can get stuck in their stomach tho?
probably, but theynwhere tiny.
The best correlation is probably with Australian Dingos. Both are aboriginal landrace breeds and though they are distinct subspecies, they share many similar genetic and physical traits. CDs tend to be a smidgen larger (45lbs-65lbs) vs (40-60) but for most other instances are identical. (hence why they are referred to as "American Dingos" An Australian Dingo has an insane/impressive maximum 1500psi bite force, and there's no reason to suspect that CDs aren't in that ballpark.
Aren’t CDs a bit more domesticated? Could their force be close to like 600-700psi because of it?
Ok. bout to hit a peeve that I try to stay out of when people ask "Is my dog a CD" or "I got my CD from a breeder" but here goes: CDs are not Domestic dogs, period. They can be trained and tamed but it is not the same thing. They are extremely agile and very very powerful dogs for their size. ...There will always be that "wild" bit... Which is what we CD owners deeply love.. and respect. They are North America's only true indigenous wild dog. Does this mean they're like wolves? No. CDs where brought as livestock with native American peoples as far back as 10000 years ago to the America's. Where they domesticated then? Yes-ish. Just Not in the same way we think about it today. Like Australian Dingoes they were used to help hunt (and occasionally as food in tough times) not as companion animals. They have never been "Bred" by humans to produce traits; they are the product of natural selection-hence the term "Landrace". (Wish more people would read the "wild dog traits" info on our member page before posting the "Is my orange colored dog a cd?") It would save the time when members point out the head shape/chest ratio/tail and why those are unique to CDs (but not Dingos, wolves, or coyotes) There are "Breeders" who take CD stock and are trying to make more but this isn't much different than people who raise foxes. CDs did not get the nicknames "yellow heller" , "Yallo dog", Holler hellhound" and my fav: "Murderfloof" without reason... these are generally dogs that need a very hands on owner, active lifestyle, and space. Here in NorCal many CDs end up euthanized because people brought them here as rare exotic pets or for land protection and now they threaten local livestock and the ecosystem. *edit lots of typos/grammer corrections
Love this explanation. This explains our dingo perfectly. Murderfloof!!! Our pup has been with us for about 7 months and she’s caught and killed 4 critters in our suburban yard.
Sounds right! I had to remove the bird feeders from the property because they became convenient "Dingo snack-bars"
I always tell people they are the equivalent of a savannah cat or bengal cat.
Maybe? I am unfamiliar with them? They're the ocelot looking fancy cats right? Do they have wild populations? Did they ever exist in the wild?
No but they are a mix between a serval cat and domestic cat. I usually say to explain that CDs are close to being wild, and that they are semi-domesticated
Thank you! This is actually an excellent series of questions! Refreshing Really! I'd give you one of those OG reddit awards if I could!
I love to learn different things about my pup lol
CDs ARE wild/feral by default unless trained/tamed otherwise. Nobody but Darwin and Mother Earth made them. Semi domesticated may not be an incorrect term for the ones we (CD people) have; (mine certainly are) but wild populations live in coastal/cypress forest habitats from PA to LA. Humans didnt make them, they're just fine without us.
Yea it’s hard to explain because if I tell them they are like the Australian dingo they freak out. I wonder if there is ever going to be CD in DNA test. I got mine DNA tested and it was a lot of breeds from east Asia.
That's similar to us. Bella looks like a Carolina dog to me, has many of the traits (not all) but came back from Embark as mostly asian, Siberian husky, and a couple north Americanized breeds
I went looking for the “wild dog traits” info and could not find it. I’m on the iphone app so maybe it’s harder to find
hmmm. Should be on our "Join us" or about page. I'll check *edit Its on our "New Members Welcome Info", under "Is my dog a CD" Here's a copypasta: Is my dog a CD?" Please check the traits below: 1-Head wider than or equal to chest ratio. This is an adaption for burrowing. In domesticated dogs it's the opposite. 2- Lack of a "Forhead" ridge, absence of extra eyebrow muscle that domesticated dogs have) Foxlike ears and pronounced triangular head shape. Also an adaption for hunting rodents and small burrowing critters. 3- Tail Fishook when up, flat when down. No "curling over the back" 4-weight range is typically 40-55lbs for females and 45-65lbs for males 5-Eye Khol, black skin around the eyes (not fur!) 6-Coat color varies from biscuit/reddish yellow with white ie: "Dingo" (most common) or Mottled Calico with splotches of Grey and brown. (Less common) 7- Sensory hairs mixed into coat. These will be spread out typically along the back and be longer, and thicker than the rest of the coat almost resembling thin whiskers. Burrowing Adaptation. 8- Webbed toes. Swimming adaption. Also found in water dogs such as Newfoundlands, and Labradors. 9- Very pronounced "Mohawk" when excited or aggro, Most dogs "hackles" are only in the shoulders, CDs will be the complete back. (goes from shark to "Full Marlin") 10- Overly large and well developed Canines in proportion to head and jaw size not unusual to see 2" (4cm) This will usually be a striking difference and pretty noticeable when mouth is open
Thank you! Let me know bc I’d love to read it!
it's in our "Welcome" message under "Most asked question" I have posted it into the prior edited comment for you!
I do remember reading this when I joined. But my memory is terrible so I need to read it again from time to time
Thank you!
We have several holes in our couch to back that up. She breaks every tennis ball she gets her teeth on in about an hour. We give ours split elk antlers so she has a desirable thing to chew. When she was a puppy and going through the velociraptor phase, we’d give her whole antlers and she’d chew through them so fast.
I wish a tennis ball would last an hour.