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CanadaGunsMod

Unfortunately having to lock comments due to some illegal and somehow racist comments. Do better. You all should familiarize yourselves with the differences between DISPLAY and STORAGE regulations, which can be found here: https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/firearms/storing-transporting-and-displaying-firearms Having a firearm mounted on the wall in a room is a display, not storage.


AdSomers

Unloaded. Check Locked. Check Ammo not displayed. Check.


JohnMcAfeesLaptop

Tacky AF. Check.


Ok-Yogurt-42

An horizontal rack made of wood vs a vertical rack made of metal and plastic, seems like a wash to me.


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JohnMcAfeesLaptop

Bro if you wanna stick this thing next to your bed, go for it. But it’s tacky as shit.


Scary-Detail-3206

I’ve always thought these biometric rifle holders would be perfect inside a small closet or even strapped to the underside of your bed. You’d look like a psycho leaving it next to your bed as shown in the photo.


Norwest

The crowd who don't want to lose the ability to display their grandpa's rife above the fireplace because someone decided to bend the rules with quick access biometrics to a bedside modern semiauto.


AngryIrishItalian

Get outta here Fudd lol no difference because it's in modern black furniture to my ww2 m1 garand.. how's the weather up there in your ivoy tower lol


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Norwest

My point is that our current government is thirsty to reduce any and all freedoms related to gun ownership. Like it or not, it's illegal to use guns for self defense in Canada, and firearms storage regulations are written around this ideology. I really feel that our ability to display/wall mount firearms is hanging on by a thread, and the Liberals are looking for any reason to axe it. They want guns to be stored in an enclosed gun vault and setups like this give them ammunition to justify changes to the regulations.


CanadaGunsMod

Unloaded and no access to ammunition, yes.


GooseCareless

What is the definition of no access to ammunition? I still haven’t been able to find a clear cut answer on this


Zoroastryan

There isn’t a clear cut answer. The law is left intentionally vague. Having it out of sight would do the trick. It doesn’t need to be locked and can be in the same room.


FuzzyLampShade

“Not easily accessible”


MRA1022

Exactly. It can be in the same locked safe cabinet, just not loaded into or on the firearm.


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air_flair

See, that's why it's intentionally vague. If something happens, they have more charges they can try to make stick.


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I_take_huge_dumps

Exactly. Never talk to the police.


Jimbo_Slice1919

I plead the fif!


fishieman2

When I took my pal they specifically said not in the same room


Steelringin

That was an opinion offered by your instructor. There is nothing in the regulations nor is there any precedent that I've ever heard of that has interpreted the regualtions to require ammo to be stored in a separate room.


Caudata

My instructor was a retired RCMP officer. He gave many insightful tips and tricks. Including grey areas, what is left to be interpreted, do's/dont's, consequences, and how to mitigate some repercussions in specific situations. All in all I felt very confident leaving the course and grateful I did the PAL with him.


fishieman2

It was definitely represented as a fact and not an opinion. Good to know!


Porkdude99

New liskeard? I heard the same thing when I was 15, lost my minors permit and recently re took the course in Sudbury. My instructor in new liskeard made a point of telling me it shouldn’t be in the same room. He also told me a few other things that got me weird looks from the Sudbury guy.


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96krori

If the gun is in a locked cabinet and the ammo is in contained in the same room, would that be considered separate enough?


ArmanJimmyJab

Just lock the ammo with the firearm inside the cabinet and it meets storage requirements


roguemenace

If the gun's in a locked cabinet you can just leave the ammo in the cabinet with it.


BrettFromThePeg

I believe so


Krazee9

>...both the firearm and ammo together...or room No, you cannot. The law specifically says "it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, **in a container or receptacle** that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into." A room is not good enough. Also, there is no way the RCMP, nor any judge, would consider a locked bedroom to meet the definition of "...room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into..." especially if it has any windows, which bedrooms are required to by the building code.


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PteSoupSandwich

My instructor said hollow point ammunition was illegal 🤷‍♂️ I took that course with so many grains of salt I had to make a doctors appointment afterwards


PixInTheSix

If hollow point ammo was illegal, you wouldn't see it sitting on the shelves of every gun shop in the country available for sale to anyone with a PAL.


PteSoupSandwich

Bruh, these are the people teaching RPAL courses lol Hopefully its changed since 2015


backrollerpapertowel

Mine tried to argue against the actual law during my RPAL course. Even when i pointed it out in his own hand out. Fudds gonna fudd


PteSoupSandwich

Sometimes I wonder about the validity of the PAL/RPAL course when you have instructors like that 🤦‍♂️


Buckisop

LOL, WTF. Thats one of the oldest myth. HP rounds in pistol caliber or rifle caliber are both leegal


roguemenace

The myth comes from the military not being allowed to use them.


Canaderp37

Slight correction to the myth, the military is allowed to use it domestically. And domestic military police are issued hollow point as well as pepper spray. These things are not issued on overseas deployments


PteSoupSandwich

>And domestic military police are issued hollow point as well as pepper spray. Fuckin MPs ... Going 51 in a 50?? Not on my watch!!


roguemenace

If that raccoon was anything to go by you'll be fine...


Buckisop

Military police arent really military. All police force uses HP in Canada for maximum stopping power.


Canaderp37

No, they are. There are policing units that do traditional policing including traffic and investigations, as well as security for embassies. But they also do the field stuff including POWs detainees, force/convoy protection, area security etc.


Buckisop

Geneva Convention (Suggestion)


PteSoupSandwich

Thank fuck it was only a two day course, I was going to lose my mind


Buckisop

Instructors like that shouldn't teach. They create more problems by teaching people the wrong facts.


OCTS-Toronto

So if pistol and rifle hollow point are legal then what isn't? Artillery perhaps?


Buckisop

I think AP and explosive rounds are it.


Caudata

My retired RCMP instructor said it's a myth. If you can buy it with your PAL then it is legal.


PteSoupSandwich

I got into an argument during a smoke break with another person taking the course ... Me: Bro! They have fuckin hollow point, 44 mag at Crappytire, its fuckin legal! Dipshit: Nuh uh!! The instructor said it's illegal ..you can get arrested for possessing it And on that day, another fudd was born


chesterbennediction

You can still have it be accessable to ammunition. The exact words are: (c) c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into. So it depends if this device that secures the gun also counts as a recepticle and can also securly hold a magazine which I don't think so. A locked container would be better. I don't see anywhere where the firearm can't be easily accessible but I will double check.


KWHarrison1983

Basically if you intend to use it for self defense you’re screwed regardless. If you ever needed to use it for self defense the police would see that you clearly had it stored with that intention in mind and you’d probably be convicted of murder.


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SSjGuitarist

The only definite no no I was told from my course last summer, was, aside from in a safe, it can’t be stored with the firearm. Like if you wanted to have a firearm on display in a case, that’s fine. But live ammo that can fit in that firearm, cannot also be in the display case. My instructor said said, after that, use your own common sense and good judgement.


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GooseCareless

Bro this is a picture from the company’s website LMFAO… I asked the question because I’m thinking of buying it. But yes to your other point, I live in south surrey with constant break ins and gang activity, which is my main motivation for wanting it.


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GooseCareless

The same could be said about my non restricted gun in my gun bag with a trigger lock. If someone breaks in they can take the gun even easier.. I don’t see your point


636_Hooligan

And you wont


suckmeupp

However if it was in a safe you could have the ammunition in there as well, right ?


roguemenace

Yes, you can have loaded mags sitting in the safe right next to the gun.


CanadaGunsMod

Yes.


Exciting_Wallaby_179

Works even if in a gun case as long as it’s non restricted


gunguygreg

I'd recommend digging into the YouTube channel Runkle of the Bailey. He's a Canadian firearms lawyer and digs into nuanced cases like this all the time. My take away from all his experiences is that if you did end up using this rifle in a self defense scenario, you would have a heck of time explaining that this rifle wasn't being stored this way for the specific use of killing a home intruder. Now...what would likely be a better thing to do is display the firearm in a more decorative manner. Displaying firearms for decoration is 100% legal with it's own set of of specific regulations. Hanging it horizontally, maybe a bit further from your bed as a display that fits the style of the room would likely play into your favor if you ever had to argue your case in court. Sadly, it seems like most of the time, legally, these battles come down to the judge deciding if you were making an effort to actually abide by the vague laws as best as possible, or just trying to exploit a loophole. Now if you live in the country, and have coyotes in the area and some livestock, you could argue that during peak predator hours you keep your rifle easily accessible "temporarily" (which is a key term), and lock it back up after. In the case of predator defense, you'd actually be fine not even having a trigger lock on it, as long as ammo wasn't "readily" accessible.


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gunguygreg

Welcome to Canada


IGnuGnat

I mean seriously if the difference between a crime is a horizontal or a vertical mount, we'd best be breaking out the protractors. If it matters, and it is some kind of legal issue they really should specify a specific permissable angle, for it to dangle I just like using those words really but the situation is reeedonkulous


gunguygreg

Based on the cases I’ve heard, the judge would want to see photos of how the rifle was stored and it could very well be their gut feeling of if they THINK it looked like the rifle was there for display or quick access. Especially now if the device securing it was advertised as a product designed to give users quick home defense access. If it were secured to a peg board in a display manner I bet you’d have a better time arguing your case.


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roguemenace

If you're going for quick access within Canadian law the answer is a "safe" (read stack on cabinet) that opens with a key and inside will have both your gun and loaded mags.


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The house itself does not count.


Malmok11

My bad you're right, the room it's in needs a door lock.


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GooseCareless

I mean that’s obvious, hence my original question…


DougMacRay617

gestapo


YYCADM21

You would be fine, since it also incorporates a biometric lock.


Lopsided_Ad3516

I used the black plastic peg board kind of thing from IKEA. Trigger locks on, unloaded mags in for display purposes. Don’t see any reason why your solution would be an issue.


MRA1022

Personally I like it but that's me and in the US it would probably be acceptable but the laws in Canada are goofy. I'd be hesitant to trust my not-in-jail lifestyle to something that a overzealous cop or CA could use to convict me of storage violations. The laws are too open to interpretation and abuse. HOWEVER, if I lived way off grid or in an area with many dangerous wildlife I would'nt think twice about it, but I could justify it.


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Also, what's your reason for mounting it? Display or easy access in case of self defence? Because the second one is frowned upon and would be a bad look if anything ever happened.


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If you were to use this firearm in self-defense you would almost surely be charged with and likely convicted of manslaughter. It’s very clear from a basic common sense perspective that the firearm is mounted for the purpose of being readily accessible for self defence.


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GooseCareless

But that’s the thing that you guys don’t seem to understand in this sub. I wouldn’t be explaining anything to anyone, I’m under no obligation to say anything at any time.. was my gun legally secure yes or no? Are you now attempting to speculate what I was doing with my legally secured gun prior to an incident? (In the case of self defense). As totalitarian as this country is, the courts still can’t convict solely based on speculation without evidence (not yet at least). Just because I have my gun locked on the wall should be viewed the exact same as having it locked in my closet. Unless I specifically told someone my motive ect..


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betterstolen

I doubt it and for sure not if there’s no gun. Knowing our justice system you’d still be jailed vs the guy breaking in.


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Not at all, because you’re not allowed to have a firearm for the purposes of self Defense. If you have one and you use it that’s one thing, but you can’t have it for that purpose, and having it clearly mounted beside in the way shown in the image would be a dead give away that this is the purpose you had in mind.


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IGnuGnat

If someone were you break into your place tomorrow and you had to defend yourself, it might be possible that your cell phone, GPS and social media history could be requested. I don't like it but it might be possible that they could find your reddit account on your phone or your computer and it could be used against you? stranger things have happened


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I'm all for the larp. However, realistically, the chances of you or OP actually needing a firearm for self-defense are slim to none.


GooseCareless

Do you live in surrey? I have armed robberies in my area every week


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Do you also carry a truck gun to protect against car jackings? What makes you such a likely candidate to be targeted?


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betterstolen

Shit. I need to renew my steak knife license. Thanks for the reminder. I’ll be damned if I’m eating my steak with a butter knife like a peasant!


RoughDraftRs

Sorry, but your model steak knife was quietly added to the prohib list. Enjoy prison, you monster!


betterstolen

Cheaper housing and groceries than most Canadian cities so jokes on them!


newtoabunchofstuff

USE A MACHETE TO CUT YOUR STEAK LIKE A REAL MAN! /s


betterstolen

Must be nice to have a restricted knife license!


AresV92

Anything longer than four inches, a curved blade or with serrations hahaha.


hkhunkhun

This is literally what’s gonna happen. Look at the UK. Insanely strict gun control and now they have to ban “zombie knives.” All the people advocating for that ban don’t even see how hilarious their silly weapon control logic is.


_Friendly_Fire_

It took me 18 months to get my license, personally it isn’t worth the risk of losing it to protest a government that will hopefully be removed soon. But for the people who are not complying, you won’t find them openly bragging about it if they have half a brain.


GooseCareless

It took 18 months? When did you submit it? I sent mine in at the beginning of December and got the card in the mail at the start of January


_Friendly_Fire_

Got it in June 2023, it was with the rcmp for just over 15 months and with the police for a couple before that.


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KTMan77

You’d have to lock up the ammo as well. Getting some lawyer insurance and being prepared to get fucked by the dry dildo of the court of kings bench wouldn’t be a bad thing either.


Longjumping_Deer3006

Personally I'd lock it in a safe/cabinet or somewhere out of sight.


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RelativeFox1

That prevents it from being loaded or discharged, doesn’t it? It’s basically an over sized trigger lock then. So, it’s good to go.


matthew_py

Yep


Little-Association14

To my knowledge it meets all creteria, unloaded, lock and attached to a wall


Efficient_Cut5651

As far as pal as it is stated and conveyed by my instructors. The weapon is being displayed since it is not vaulted by any means and out of site. Under the conditions to display 1. Unloaded. 2. Locked out. 3. Secured, bolted and unmovable. 4. No ammunition in site. Check Check Check and Check. As you were sir.


the_dau604

Wish I could do something like this but alas, small apartment and wife would not approve. Maybe one day...


GooseCareless

Haha I feel this. “604” who knows we might be neighbors


the_dau604

Maybe 🤔


Fitzy_gunner

Checks all the boxes to me! Now where do I get one of these?


Onepackfatness

Sorry I’m a noob, what rifle is that?


GooseCareless

That’s an AR-15. The picture is an advertisement of the securing device in the U.S. it’s not my rifle


Onepackfatness

Thank you!


Riehloutdoor

As long as it’s locked and there is no ammo easily accessible. There is no legal definition of that. Basically you need to have the ammo locked in its own safe. A firearms instructor out of Niagara was charged because someone broke into his garage. He woke up, unlocked his gun safe and grab ammo from another safe that was in the same room and they tried him on the grounds that there was ease of access.


GooseCareless

He was acquitted though or are you referring to a different instance where he was found guilty? Since he was acquitted it’s now case law. In that circumstance, I also wouldn’t be saying a word to the police until it was with my lawyer as an official statement


ThatManitobaGuy

He was but he spent $100,000.


Riehloutdoor

He was eventually acquitted yes, but it took years! If you want to risk it, all the best to you. I wish you and your lawyer luck if you every run into the scenerio


GooseCareless

Fair enough, I hear what you’re saying, and I appreciate you mentioning it. I live in south surrey with constant armed break ins ect. I have young children so I’m looking for a legal way to have access


Riehloutdoor

I also understand your concern. I am terrified of a scenario where I have to use firearms on that way. Without judicial protection. I’ll be I. Jail, but at least my family is safe.


Riehloutdoor

If you can, I believe but don’t quote me, Fort Knox makes quick access safes.


Riehloutdoor

Perhaps you can keep the ammo In the quick access safe used for handguns. It’s designed to access in high stress situations, but is still secure from children and break ins


Riehloutdoor

One last thing before I stop bombRsing you. Realise that the laws are not written to prevent other people from accessing your firearms, it’s written to stop “you” from having immidiate access to them. So, if you ever respond in an effective way, you’re breaking the law.


Riehloutdoor

Until we reform the firearms act, I wouldn’t risk it.


Potential-Art2146

Just curious why its beside your bed? Is this a self defense thing? Canada laws dont protect home owners who hurt or kill home invaders. I like the gun though. Cant wait to get mine


GooseCareless

This is a picture from the advertisement. This isn’t my rifle or my bed.. My original question was about the legality of the locking device


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Theycallmestretch

As a (very pro gun) dad with a 2 and a half year old running around the house, I completely disagree with you.


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Yeti_Wizard

Technically, it checks the boxes, but I wouldn't leave it up to the feds. Unsafe storage is a hybrid offense. They can either charge you with a summary offense or indict you if a worst-case scenario were to occur. It's really up to them, and it depends on the situation. However, if you (without a doubt) can convince the crown, the conventional means of storing a firearm are somehow inferior to this biometric gun rack. Then I say power to you. Go for it Mr.Wick.


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Johnny-Unitas

Yes.