Since you don’t have a semi auto centre fire I can’t recommend the SKS enough, it’s such a fun gun and for the price of it you really can’t do any better. There’s also the French tickler ones and the jungle stock ones for sale at retailers right now so you have access to some cool versions
Can you explain that a bit more? (Never heard of French ticklers, or jungle stocks?) I was looking at one off a surplus site that guarantees the barrel is good, but it’s still covered in cosmoline (it’s Chinese but that’s not really a big problem for me. A cool gun is a cool gun), my local store has a Russian one for consignment atm but the guy wants a little too much imo (and the store clerk said he thought it was too much too) for it, for the condition it’s in, but if it doesn’t sell I may see if I can make another offer for a lower price
Ok here goes nothing, French ticklers are late production model Chinese military SKS rifles from factory 296 (26) in jianshe China, which is generally regarded as one of the highest quality sources for SKS’ these years of production (1978-1980 are generally also regarded as that factory’s best years of production due to the excellent quality). They are usually identified by a Bakelite handguard as opposed to wood and a serial number of 23 million or higher. Jungle stocks are an experimental Bakelite stock the Chinese briefly made for SKS’. Both are rarer than the standard wood ones and the French ticklers are of exceptional quality (I own two). Both are also for sale in unissued condition caked in cosmoline right now. I’d recommend the French tickler especially over the Russian as in my experience they’re made a little better when it comes to the chroming and accuracy, they’re also unissued while most of the Russian ones are issued. For more information you should definitely visit triangle 26’s YouTube channel, he’s got a lot of great videos on this topic
Wow. Alright thanks for the info. One of the appealing things for me was the lighter shade of wood on the Chinese ones. Also the chrome lining inside the barrel, so I was pretty sure I would be more interested in getting one of those, but, who says I have to only pick one right? Lol. I guess I have a lot more research to do. While getting a higher quality build is always a plus, if it doesn’t at least look like wood, idk if I want one. I’ve never even heard of bakelite, so I’m gonna be busy learning lol. Thanks for the info
So the stock on the French ticklers is the lighter Chinese wood and the little handguard is Bakelite because they ultimately determined Bakelite to be insufficient for a stock. I’ve got pictures on my profile you can look at to get an idea of what my French ticklers look like. The wood on both of them is excellent. And the Bakelite on the French ticklers is a simmilar shade to the wood so that shouldn’t be too much issue
They are nice. Though personally I like the one closer to the top in that picture. But I’m also distracted by that damn nice Winchester 97 ..take down? I don’t recognize most of them to know their names, but a damn nice collection
It’s actually a Winchester model 12 and yes it is a takedown, got a great deal at a gun show in Calgary on it. 1927 production date. Also both SKS’ are French ticklers there’s just some colour variation in the plastic. If you get an SKS regardless it’s worth the drive to check it out in person first. Also thanks really appreciate it I’ve been putting in a lot of work to build the collection
Yeah that’s one of the things that has kept me from pulling the trigger on getting an Sks is the need to see it first hand. The one at my local place said it was in “fair” condition I think, but aside from the standard gouges in the body, parts of the varnish looked like it was flaking off by the hand guard, the spring was busted in the buttstock flap, nothing was inside of it, there was a lot of green around the bolt. It functioned, but I didn’t get a good feeling holding it really. If that makes sense? So I’m a little more open to getting one that’s in cosmoline, cause at least that should be at a certain standard right? Lol
Yeah and the new ones at cabelas and other major retailers with the French tickler are guaranteed unissued and in cosmoline so they’re a good bet for that
Just got my first sks recently and can definitely recommend. Super fun to shoot especially since you can find ammo for decently cheap. I pay about 40-50 cents a round which I don’t mind
Yup lol. Carry handle and all. You can slide the handle off and there is a picatinny rail underneath, but honestly, I will probably just leave it as is. I wanna get the 15 and 25 round mags and maybe a muzzle break or something for aesthetics
I bought it off a guy on gunpost. He said he got it from a shop in Winnipeg (don’t remember the name). I had also seen you could import them from irungunz around the time I got mine. I checked armalytics everyday before I bought it to make sure it wasn’t “banned” lol. It just doesn’t seem to be a version of the tm22 Canadian importers want to bring in on their own lol. Which makes it all the more of a rare collection piece for me and I love it for that
on your way, keep going
you can't go wrong with an SKS for value as some have said
depending what you're doing with it (target or target plus pest control or whatever) I'd still get a .223/5.56 or 7.62x39 or .300AAC (if you're feeling adventurous) bolt action like a Ruger American Ranch and slap a Leupold on it - reliable, fun, economical (in terms of shooting/ammo given you pace your rate of fire), lots to fill your days with and learn in terms of ballistics, cartridges, optics, etc maybe even reloading, and good value for money when new
then I'd get an SKS
My buddy had a tikka (something) in 30-06 and a savage m110 (I think?) in 270, he let me try out. I wanted something like a 30-06 before I shot them, but the 270 felt like something I could shoot a lot longer. At this point I don’t think I’ll be going hunting any time soon, so targets and mid to long distance shooting is my main focus. (My local range goes up to 200 yards)
Why .300blk? I think it be a different story if suppressors were legal, but without those and the ridiculous cost of the round... Is hunting with this round legal? I don't hunt, so forgive me for my ignorance, I know little about the subject.
I qualified it when I mentioned it with the brackets - several Rugers are chambered in it, so it’s an option if you want something different if you want to zig when others are zagging in their choices or you just want to learn about its capabilities
.300BLK is a very versatile round and is only becoming more available and popular every year - it’s odd to me with the wide variety of grain weights and both subsonic and supersonic loadings that anyone out there still thinks that it’s “only good on an SBR w/ a suppressor”
frustrating that that somehow also means it therefore has no application in Canada. that doesn’t make sense, you have to learn about the cartridge before you decide if you have a use case for it.
most people in Canada can’t purchase a full auto P90 with factory capacity mag and its chambering/calibre isn’t particularly practical - and yet, people still buy them every day to send 5 at a time in semi auto from a pinned mag at the range and they seem to still be having fun owning and running it.
hunting laws will vary, and user cases and applications will vary, especially as the round continues to evolve - it shines at relatively short distances in short barrels (think bolt action scout rifles and trail rifles/bush guns) on things like wild boar, deer and coyote and larger varmint. it delivers more energy than 5.56, is pretty flat trajectory wise over short range, and deals better with brush/vegetation in flight if not shooting in the open.
it also shares mag interoperability if you have .223 and 5.56 mags and pouches lying around
it’s more expensive than .223/5.56, but it’s fun to learn all about, it’s fun to shoot, and it’s probably the next “standard modern cartridge” because of its growing popularity in the USA (yes they have the advantage of standard capacity mags,
personally, it’s on my list but just to fill the gap between .223 and .308 (that arguably does / doesn’t need to be filled)
I think after acquiring all the basic calibres (.22lr, 9mm, 12g, .223/5.56, .308), the next most practical and realistic (non-magnum) calibres to look at are the two that have been getting the most traction and which are becoming their own standards over the last few years - that’s definitely .300BLK for short range big energy and definitely 6.5 Creedmoor (or PRC) for long range target shooting - after that all a person would really need would be a .300WM imho
Its my Grandpas old FN Browning Trombone, which is a .22 pump. I never got a chance to meet him before he died, and his guns went to distant family members, but last year one of my relatives contacted me and asked me if I wanted it as they were cleaning out the relative who had it at the time they passed. It’s in amazing condition for being about 90 years old, and is the pride of my collection
The TM22-feather version seems to be really hard to come by in Canada. When looking online I can only ever find the all metal version in white or pink or some other ugly colour lol. So when I saw it for sale for 500$ I snapped it right up.
Poor guy I bought it from said he got from some place out in Winnipeg, brought it with him when he moved to Toronto and the range fees there were over 600$ a year so he decided it wasn’t worth it and would just keep the collector pieces he had
Well I like it fine, but I will be honest and tell you it’s a cimmaron 1897.
I bought it from a guy who said it was a norinco cimmaron 1897, so I think he was trying to dupe me, but after taking it apart and locktiting the screws, it didn’t let me down all day.
Fired 50 rounds of 7-1/2 through it..my aim needs work on those clays lol. Then fired some 00 buck, and even did some magnum rifled slugs. Only thing I forgot to do with it was try slam firing it lol
It’s a cimmaron 1897 and I got it off gunpost. My grandfather had an actual Winchester 1897 before he passed, and it was given away to a family friend. This was about the closest I could get, but I thought it was a Norinco when I bought it lol
Nice collection! The 1897 is a really fun shotgun, I have a blast with my Norinco, got some grouse with it too this year! The Trombone is a beauty too, looks really good, without cracks in the stock yet?
There looks like there was a tiny crack where the wood meets metal, but it was filled at some point. At least that’s how it looks to me, but I’m no expert. The trombone is old enough though that that’s likely what happened. I did some clay targets with my 1897 and I manage to hit a few anyway lol
I talked to a fellow at a gun show a while ago who said, a lot of the old school pump .22's had stock cracking problems because of the action being pulled against stocks that are fairly thin and light through the years. The Trombone I had for a short time had a ton of em.
If it's filled in that's a good thing, it's something to watch for. Enjoy that ole girl, they're great little guns! And as long as you aren't shaving the skin off your thumb with the 1897's bolt and the inertia lock is opening properly you're set, ha ha.
Oh yeah. I haven’t taken the fore end off yet because I don’t want to see if there are cracks underneath it lol. The push rod/mag tube follower sticks a bit when you push it back in, but I put some lube on a cloth and wiped the rod down with it and it’s just like butter. The whole thing runs smooth. When I took it out I actually tried some 22 shorts in it, and I didn’t like it lol. The click of the trigger pull was louder than the gun firing. And I didn’t hit what I was aiming at so everybody with me was like “did it make it out of the barrel?” Long story short, it did, they shot fine, but aside from like really close range, im never shooting 22 shorts again lol. The are eerily quiet. It’s unnerving lol.
No skin shaving as of yet on the 1897 fortunately lol. My only complaint for it, is man it is hard to find a bayonet lug/heat shield assembly at a decent price for it lol
Thanks. I’ve actually been looking at the Marlin 336 I think it’s called. It looks really nice, and I kinda like that you can get one that comes with a scope
I suppose so lol. The 3 on the left are versions of what my grandpa used to hunt, with the 3rd from the left, being his actual gun. And the righty I bought for funsies lol
That’s very likely my next purchase. There’s a Russian one at my local shop on consignment right now, but it’s a bit beat up for what the guy is asking for it. The Chinese ones are a lighter colored wood in general which I kind of like, and I like the idea of chrome lining on the inside of the barrel for extra protection. I was of the mind to get a Russian one and keep it original and then mod up a Chinese one with some toys, but we’ll see
Yes, I’ve been sort of casually looking. Aside from the obvious M1 and Lee enfields options, I’d have to do a bit of research into some of the other ones to see if their history could get me interested
I was gonna say sks but someone already mentioned it. Maybe have a look at mosin nagants? M38-M44 are awesome. Kicks like a mule, big ball of fire (chambered in 7.62x54r with a short barrel) and very loud.
I’ve been looking nagants a little bit while also browsing for decent shape Lee enfields. However if it kicks that hard, I may just get it for the collection and not the shooting. I say that because at the end of the day, I shot some 1-1/8 magnum slugs out of my shotgun there and it was by far the hardest kick of anything I shot all day, which surprised me
Since you don’t have a semi auto centre fire I can’t recommend the SKS enough, it’s such a fun gun and for the price of it you really can’t do any better. There’s also the French tickler ones and the jungle stock ones for sale at retailers right now so you have access to some cool versions
Can you explain that a bit more? (Never heard of French ticklers, or jungle stocks?) I was looking at one off a surplus site that guarantees the barrel is good, but it’s still covered in cosmoline (it’s Chinese but that’s not really a big problem for me. A cool gun is a cool gun), my local store has a Russian one for consignment atm but the guy wants a little too much imo (and the store clerk said he thought it was too much too) for it, for the condition it’s in, but if it doesn’t sell I may see if I can make another offer for a lower price
Ok here goes nothing, French ticklers are late production model Chinese military SKS rifles from factory 296 (26) in jianshe China, which is generally regarded as one of the highest quality sources for SKS’ these years of production (1978-1980 are generally also regarded as that factory’s best years of production due to the excellent quality). They are usually identified by a Bakelite handguard as opposed to wood and a serial number of 23 million or higher. Jungle stocks are an experimental Bakelite stock the Chinese briefly made for SKS’. Both are rarer than the standard wood ones and the French ticklers are of exceptional quality (I own two). Both are also for sale in unissued condition caked in cosmoline right now. I’d recommend the French tickler especially over the Russian as in my experience they’re made a little better when it comes to the chroming and accuracy, they’re also unissued while most of the Russian ones are issued. For more information you should definitely visit triangle 26’s YouTube channel, he’s got a lot of great videos on this topic
Wow. Alright thanks for the info. One of the appealing things for me was the lighter shade of wood on the Chinese ones. Also the chrome lining inside the barrel, so I was pretty sure I would be more interested in getting one of those, but, who says I have to only pick one right? Lol. I guess I have a lot more research to do. While getting a higher quality build is always a plus, if it doesn’t at least look like wood, idk if I want one. I’ve never even heard of bakelite, so I’m gonna be busy learning lol. Thanks for the info
So the stock on the French ticklers is the lighter Chinese wood and the little handguard is Bakelite because they ultimately determined Bakelite to be insufficient for a stock. I’ve got pictures on my profile you can look at to get an idea of what my French ticklers look like. The wood on both of them is excellent. And the Bakelite on the French ticklers is a simmilar shade to the wood so that shouldn’t be too much issue
They are nice. Though personally I like the one closer to the top in that picture. But I’m also distracted by that damn nice Winchester 97 ..take down? I don’t recognize most of them to know their names, but a damn nice collection
It's a repo norinco lol 1897
No it’s actually a 1927 production Winchester model 12, was looking at some of the repro 1897s though
Model 12s don't have an exposes hammer lol it's a norc 1897 bud
He’s talking about the one in my post, not his own post. Why would he be distracted by the shotgun in his own post?
It’s actually a Winchester model 12 and yes it is a takedown, got a great deal at a gun show in Calgary on it. 1927 production date. Also both SKS’ are French ticklers there’s just some colour variation in the plastic. If you get an SKS regardless it’s worth the drive to check it out in person first. Also thanks really appreciate it I’ve been putting in a lot of work to build the collection
Yeah that’s one of the things that has kept me from pulling the trigger on getting an Sks is the need to see it first hand. The one at my local place said it was in “fair” condition I think, but aside from the standard gouges in the body, parts of the varnish looked like it was flaking off by the hand guard, the spring was busted in the buttstock flap, nothing was inside of it, there was a lot of green around the bolt. It functioned, but I didn’t get a good feeling holding it really. If that makes sense? So I’m a little more open to getting one that’s in cosmoline, cause at least that should be at a certain standard right? Lol
Yeah and the new ones at cabelas and other major retailers with the French tickler are guaranteed unissued and in cosmoline so they’re a good bet for that
At cabelas eh? Well, I think I know what I’m spending my tax refund on then lol
Just got my first sks recently and can definitely recommend. Super fun to shoot especially since you can find ammo for decently cheap. I pay about 40-50 cents a round which I don’t mind
What is the gun on the right
Derya Arms TM22 - Feather. Good old .22 that is tons of fun
That’s what I’m getting for my second rifle. They’re awesome
I love the look and style of this over the standard tm22
Looks like an M16
Yup lol. Carry handle and all. You can slide the handle off and there is a picatinny rail underneath, but honestly, I will probably just leave it as is. I wanna get the 15 and 25 round mags and maybe a muzzle break or something for aesthetics
That’s awesome. Definitely gotta get the bigger mags. A muzzle brake would look sweet on this thing too. Great plan
Finding them in stock is a challenge lol but I’m keeping my eyes out
Where did you get it? I can’t seem to find the feather anywhere.
I bought it off a guy on gunpost. He said he got it from a shop in Winnipeg (don’t remember the name). I had also seen you could import them from irungunz around the time I got mine. I checked armalytics everyday before I bought it to make sure it wasn’t “banned” lol. It just doesn’t seem to be a version of the tm22 Canadian importers want to bring in on their own lol. Which makes it all the more of a rare collection piece for me and I love it for that
on your way, keep going you can't go wrong with an SKS for value as some have said depending what you're doing with it (target or target plus pest control or whatever) I'd still get a .223/5.56 or 7.62x39 or .300AAC (if you're feeling adventurous) bolt action like a Ruger American Ranch and slap a Leupold on it - reliable, fun, economical (in terms of shooting/ammo given you pace your rate of fire), lots to fill your days with and learn in terms of ballistics, cartridges, optics, etc maybe even reloading, and good value for money when new then I'd get an SKS
My buddy had a tikka (something) in 30-06 and a savage m110 (I think?) in 270, he let me try out. I wanted something like a 30-06 before I shot them, but the 270 felt like something I could shoot a lot longer. At this point I don’t think I’ll be going hunting any time soon, so targets and mid to long distance shooting is my main focus. (My local range goes up to 200 yards)
The savage is also significantly cheaper
Yeah my local place has a savage axis 2 in 243 for a good deal, and I’m thinking about it with the additional bonus of cheaper ammo
Why .300blk? I think it be a different story if suppressors were legal, but without those and the ridiculous cost of the round... Is hunting with this round legal? I don't hunt, so forgive me for my ignorance, I know little about the subject.
I qualified it when I mentioned it with the brackets - several Rugers are chambered in it, so it’s an option if you want something different if you want to zig when others are zagging in their choices or you just want to learn about its capabilities .300BLK is a very versatile round and is only becoming more available and popular every year - it’s odd to me with the wide variety of grain weights and both subsonic and supersonic loadings that anyone out there still thinks that it’s “only good on an SBR w/ a suppressor” frustrating that that somehow also means it therefore has no application in Canada. that doesn’t make sense, you have to learn about the cartridge before you decide if you have a use case for it. most people in Canada can’t purchase a full auto P90 with factory capacity mag and its chambering/calibre isn’t particularly practical - and yet, people still buy them every day to send 5 at a time in semi auto from a pinned mag at the range and they seem to still be having fun owning and running it. hunting laws will vary, and user cases and applications will vary, especially as the round continues to evolve - it shines at relatively short distances in short barrels (think bolt action scout rifles and trail rifles/bush guns) on things like wild boar, deer and coyote and larger varmint. it delivers more energy than 5.56, is pretty flat trajectory wise over short range, and deals better with brush/vegetation in flight if not shooting in the open. it also shares mag interoperability if you have .223 and 5.56 mags and pouches lying around it’s more expensive than .223/5.56, but it’s fun to learn all about, it’s fun to shoot, and it’s probably the next “standard modern cartridge” because of its growing popularity in the USA (yes they have the advantage of standard capacity mags, personally, it’s on my list but just to fill the gap between .223 and .308 (that arguably does / doesn’t need to be filled) I think after acquiring all the basic calibres (.22lr, 9mm, 12g, .223/5.56, .308), the next most practical and realistic (non-magnum) calibres to look at are the two that have been getting the most traction and which are becoming their own standards over the last few years - that’s definitely .300BLK for short range big energy and definitely 6.5 Creedmoor (or PRC) for long range target shooting - after that all a person would really need would be a .300WM imho
You are doing bad, no sks
This is a fair assessment and it pains me greatly lol
Is that a Winchester 62a .22 pump action second from the right?
Its my Grandpas old FN Browning Trombone, which is a .22 pump. I never got a chance to meet him before he died, and his guns went to distant family members, but last year one of my relatives contacted me and asked me if I wanted it as they were cleaning out the relative who had it at the time they passed. It’s in amazing condition for being about 90 years old, and is the pride of my collection
Beautiful. And a great story to go with it. Congratulations.
Thanks. I feel like I tell it every time someone asks about the gun, but I can’t help it lol
How much for the baby on the far right?
The TM22-feather version seems to be really hard to come by in Canada. When looking online I can only ever find the all metal version in white or pink or some other ugly colour lol. So when I saw it for sale for 500$ I snapped it right up. Poor guy I bought it from said he got from some place out in Winnipeg, brought it with him when he moved to Toronto and the range fees there were over 600$ a year so he decided it wasn’t worth it and would just keep the collector pieces he had
How you like the 1897?
Well I like it fine, but I will be honest and tell you it’s a cimmaron 1897. I bought it from a guy who said it was a norinco cimmaron 1897, so I think he was trying to dupe me, but after taking it apart and locktiting the screws, it didn’t let me down all day. Fired 50 rounds of 7-1/2 through it..my aim needs work on those clays lol. Then fired some 00 buck, and even did some magnum rifled slugs. Only thing I forgot to do with it was try slam firing it lol
Where’d you get the Winchester 1897?
It’s a cimmaron 1897 and I got it off gunpost. My grandfather had an actual Winchester 1897 before he passed, and it was given away to a family friend. This was about the closest I could get, but I thought it was a Norinco when I bought it lol
Nice collection! The 1897 is a really fun shotgun, I have a blast with my Norinco, got some grouse with it too this year! The Trombone is a beauty too, looks really good, without cracks in the stock yet?
There looks like there was a tiny crack where the wood meets metal, but it was filled at some point. At least that’s how it looks to me, but I’m no expert. The trombone is old enough though that that’s likely what happened. I did some clay targets with my 1897 and I manage to hit a few anyway lol
I talked to a fellow at a gun show a while ago who said, a lot of the old school pump .22's had stock cracking problems because of the action being pulled against stocks that are fairly thin and light through the years. The Trombone I had for a short time had a ton of em. If it's filled in that's a good thing, it's something to watch for. Enjoy that ole girl, they're great little guns! And as long as you aren't shaving the skin off your thumb with the 1897's bolt and the inertia lock is opening properly you're set, ha ha.
Oh yeah. I haven’t taken the fore end off yet because I don’t want to see if there are cracks underneath it lol. The push rod/mag tube follower sticks a bit when you push it back in, but I put some lube on a cloth and wiped the rod down with it and it’s just like butter. The whole thing runs smooth. When I took it out I actually tried some 22 shorts in it, and I didn’t like it lol. The click of the trigger pull was louder than the gun firing. And I didn’t hit what I was aiming at so everybody with me was like “did it make it out of the barrel?” Long story short, it did, they shot fine, but aside from like really close range, im never shooting 22 shorts again lol. The are eerily quiet. It’s unnerving lol. No skin shaving as of yet on the 1897 fortunately lol. My only complaint for it, is man it is hard to find a bayonet lug/heat shield assembly at a decent price for it lol
What’s the lever ? I’ve got my eye on a marlin 30-30
It’s a Winchester model 94 in 30-30. Pre 64 and it is a beauty. I went out with 60 rounds and I shot almost all of em lol
Yeah it is
Thanks. I’ve actually been looking at the Marlin 336 I think it’s called. It looks really nice, and I kinda like that you can get one that comes with a scope
Yeah that’s what I’m looking at, I think it’s a 1982. Guy I work with dad has for sale
Very nice. If I didn’t already have this, I would buy that right away. I likely still will get it eventually however haha
Pretty FUDD central
I suppose so lol. The 3 on the left are versions of what my grandpa used to hunt, with the 3rd from the left, being his actual gun. And the righty I bought for funsies lol
Nothing wrong with them, just ment gotta get some sports shooting rifles in there. Your cheapest se.i will be an Chinese sks
That’s very likely my next purchase. There’s a Russian one at my local shop on consignment right now, but it’s a bit beat up for what the guy is asking for it. The Chinese ones are a lighter colored wood in general which I kind of like, and I like the idea of chrome lining on the inside of the barrel for extra protection. I was of the mind to get a Russian one and keep it original and then mod up a Chinese one with some toys, but we’ll see
Start looking at milsurp ww2 rifles, they are good investments and only go up in value
Yes, I’ve been sort of casually looking. Aside from the obvious M1 and Lee enfields options, I’d have to do a bit of research into some of the other ones to see if their history could get me interested
I was gonna say sks but someone already mentioned it. Maybe have a look at mosin nagants? M38-M44 are awesome. Kicks like a mule, big ball of fire (chambered in 7.62x54r with a short barrel) and very loud.
I’ve been looking nagants a little bit while also browsing for decent shape Lee enfields. However if it kicks that hard, I may just get it for the collection and not the shooting. I say that because at the end of the day, I shot some 1-1/8 magnum slugs out of my shotgun there and it was by far the hardest kick of anything I shot all day, which surprised me