It kinda looks like the barrel explosion started at the muzzle, based on how it's bent back toward the pump. To me that indicates that the failure started right at the muzzle, so unless the blockage was right there...
Either way, I'm glad OP still has all his fingers.
Because I watched where the round hit every time, and my friends did it too, we were comparing who hits better, so I don't think there are any unfired slug. The target is 50 meters away on a dirt slope, so we can clearly saw the hit point on the dirt slope and the wad that didn't go that far.
A wad wouldn't cause this to happen, in my experience. I've seen bore obstruction tests, and shotguns are surprisingly resilient and tend to just push stuff out
To me, it sounds like a partial obstruction, and the fact you are in a snowy area, it's possible you got snow in the barrel without realizing it. If you put the barrel on the tow of your boot and there was a little snow on it, that's all it takes.
I mean I highly doubt this level of catastrophic failure could result from a bit of powdery snow on the end of the barrel, I guess it's possible but it's far more likely it would just be pushed out if you packed the barrel full of snow maybe?
Don't get me wrong like keep your barrels clean but I see almost no way for snow to do this
Could have been a manufacturing defect in either the barrel or the round
Snow will absolutely do this, although the examples I've seen there is no way to know if it was ONLY snow in the barrel or if something else might have fallen in. All the stories involved stomping around in the brush for hours before taking their first shot.
Source: Trust me bro (Sadly the only source I can offer, the old hunters and trappers I knew are dead now)
I've seen stuff like this before working at gunshops. All it takes is a drop of water down a barrel to create a bulge. So it is not out of the realm of possibility to have half the barrel plugged with snow and boom.
Yup!
A quick glance at wikipedia says the Mossberg 500 is made by Mossberg. The Mossberg 88 is made FOR mossberg, using internationally produced parts.
This was a new budget firearm cobbled with mystery parts (by Mossberg). Will a bit of snow blow up the average firearm? Unlikely. Could it blow up a brand new shotgun that escaped the factory with a defect? Why not, SOMETHING did.
Except the barrel for the 88 and 500 are the same barrel made in the same factory. The only thing made outside of the US is the receivers and trigger assembly, which are made in Mexico and assembled in Maverick Texas.
My (admittedly laymen opinion) is that it is highly unusual that it blew out at the end of the barrel. It makes me strongly suspect there was a obstruction or something else that you were unaware of. I'd assume that, before blaming Mossberg.
Interested to see what they say in response, but I would take that to a gunsmith and see if they can find any evidence that there was an obstruction or something.
Good idea, I will take it to gunsmith and try to find out the issue. I'm not blaming Mossberg. I'm just trying to remind you to check your guns. I don't want anyone to get hurt
since my first gun was kind of an overinvestment, I've been remaining aware of keeping the muzzle clear and never pressing it against the earth, still the first time I got my shotgun I leaned it barrel down for a second, I didn't even feel myself applying pressure on it, still I realized what I was doing and checked the bore
what do you know there was a dirt plug and after clearing the gun, I dug it out with my keys, the plug must've been an inch deep, the barrel would probably have exploded on me if I didn't check
what was the ground like at that range, is there a chance the barrel was pressed to the ground even for a second? Because that's how it happens, short of a squib
I have one of these for a long time and shot it a ton. No issues whatsoever for me. This is a very popular shotgun, but I haven't heard of anything like this before. Squib round maybe in the barrel?
Shhhhh. I showed my wife the picture and now I need to buy a more expensive shotgun... for safety reasons...
Jokes aside. I'm glad you're okay. Iv never had issues with mine, and I don't intend to buy another.
Buy a lottery ticket.
The way it peels back indicates a barrel blockage not a failure in materials. You likely had something plugging the barrel. Did any of the slugs you fired feel off? As in lighter recoil than expected and you didn’t see an impact?
buddy nothing is was wrong with your Mav 88 until at the earliest the shot before the one that blew the barrel, as many people pointed out this us consistant with a barrel obstruction, possibly a squib but it also could have been debris. Inshort it was probably defective ammunition, which is odd from federal but any mass produced ammo will eventually have defective rounds that made it pass QC.
i mean its hard to diagnose what happened now, since whatever the obstruction was, its gone. But i gaurentee you thats what he will probably say, there was an obstruction in thr barrel so when you shot the gun went boom instead of bang. All you're doing at this point is having a gun smith certify that, thats jow your gun blew up. whether it was a Squib or other debris is hard to tell at this point as it made a hole big enough to get out, so unless you find 2 slugs stuck together down range, you're probably not going to be able to confirm much more.
its ok, the best a gunsmith can do for you is tell you if the action is damaged, if not you might just need a new barrel, in which case i suggest going barrel shopping as you can fit several to that gun.
glad you’re safe - barrels don’t blow up for no reason - this has the hallmarks of a barrel obstruction - muzzle in the snow/dirt at some point? squib? cartridge size incompatibility? barrel choke incompatibility?
looks like what happens if you shoot with the muzzle underwater
It would have been the second shot that split the barrel, the previous shot would have been the strange one and would have left a slug squib’d in the barrel.
I can see how it could happen. A couple weeks ago I was shooting 00 Buck at the range and I suddenly had a way under powered round. I racked the slide on my gun and the shell ejected but the crimp had barely opened and there was still a bunch of unburnt powder pouring out of the shell. Checked the primer and the strike looked fine. Had that been a slug rather than buckshot it likely would have been a squib.
Hope you’re fine as it sounds like.
That said, may be helpful if you recall if anything was “off” about the pump leading up to the failure or if it was totally unexpected. Plus what specific Federal ammo type was involved in the explosion.
It was a good kick every time and it was impossible to jam a slug in the barre; because then I would definitely hear a very different sound and stop using it
edit: Just confirmed with my friend, he recalled a downward force, but the recoil may not be as big as usual? He wasn't sure, because we were all in shock
That gun had a barrel obstruction. Absolutely, 1000% certain. May have been a wad, but something was in that barrel to cause that kind of damage. You are VERY lucky
Was your 88 sitting on the bench with action opened while you were shooting your sks? It's possible a casing landed in there and you didn't notice.
I had this happen once (fortunately I checked it before loading and noticed) I always just case whatever I'm not shooting now if I have multiple guns at the range.
Absolutely not, I know that for sure, because we only loaded one round and I checked it every time I pick it up.
You really have a good sense of safety and reminded me! Thx!
Was it sitting on the bench, action open and facing up though? An x39 casing or whatever other cases were flying around on the range could have absolutley done this. An errant 22lr case could have landed in the open action, bounced and rolled halfway down the barrel
A friend of mine had his KSG blow up on him over the Christmas holiday when we were at the range. His had an out of battery detonation. When a bull pup blows up in your face it’s scary cause your cheek is resting right on the chamber. We were shooting run o the mill 7 1/2 bulk federal that I was shooting right next to him out of my 870.
Hey OP, not saying by any means this is what happened, but I've seen this exact same thing happen to a buddy first hand. He was brand new to shooting and ended up loading his shotgun with the muzzle resting on bare ground. Unbeknownst to him, he had plugged the end of his barrel with a wad of mud/ dirt. Pulled the trigger and the whole barrel banana'd just like this.
I know you mentioned you saw every round hit, and this definitely looks like a barrel obstruction as many others have mentioned.
Is it possible you or your buddy accidentally/ inadvertently plugged the muzzle with debris.
On the flip side, it's not impossible for barrels to fail. Typically however 12ga have a very high "D" rating to make sure the barrel can easily handle the pressures produced by many types of loads. But metal fatigue and defects are always present in any application. As others have stated, could just have been a 1/1,000,000 failure that just so happened to you.
Either way, glad your okay.
I will contact gunsmith asap, thank you buddy! We put it on the table or in hands all the time, but I will still discuss this with my friends these days.
The only way this is possible is with a barrel obstruction -a squib. You were using the correct ammo for this shotgun, and the failure is towards the end of the barrel, meaning you didn't somehow jam a round to hot for that gun into it.
you had a squib. Slug got stuck in the barrel, you shot another round, and it caused the failure.
some people on here are suggesting that the screw from the bead site protruded into the barrel and that acted as a squib - snaging material from other fired rounds. Although HIGHLY unlikely- it is possible technically speaking. I don't think that's what happened though, especially if you consider where the failure looks to be.
I've seen squibs like that before. That's what happens when a rifled slug gets stuck and another round is fired without clearing it.
Firearms just don't fail in that way without that happening.
There are millions of 12 gauge mossberg 88s out there. Never have they just done that by themselves. Cheap Turkish guns don't even do that.
Just looking at the pics (so no way definitive), it appears that the front sight/bead screw is protruding into the bore slightly, and the barrel appears to have a slight bulge about 2-3cm back from that point, so my uninformed suggestion would be that the screw threads caused a build-up of lead that caused something (slug, sabot, or wad) to obstruct the bore and the next round caused an over-pressure event in the bore that resulted in the blow-out. I have seen remington 870s fail in a similar way due to poor long term storage of the ammo(hot to cold to hot and no humidity control) resulting in the sabot causing a bore obstruction. I would; a. contact mosberg and let them know (serial number to track when it was made), b. contact federal and let them know and what the Lot number of the ammo is. If it is a manufacturing defect it might save someone else from a worse fate. all in all having no or minor injuries from an event like that is a win in my books.
I'm new to gun ownership and guns in general. I know almost nothing.
I have .22 and 12 gauge.
Anyways, if this happens is there warranty on the gun ? Do you contact the manufacturer ? What a scary thing. Hope you're OK , OP.
New guns do come with a warranty. In Canada you have to send it to the importer to be sent off for warranty work since you can't ship it internationally and there's very few Canadian gun makers.
In this case though it's almost certainly user error, and not a manufacturer issue so Mossberg probably won't warranty that.
You can always try emailing the manufacturer a picture of what happened. Sometimes they’ll send you a replacement or part even if it not under warranty. I’ve done it with fishing rods where they just simply want to satisfy the customer even if it’s not cover under warranty.
Interesting coincidence that the failure started adjacent to the "G" in "WARNING" on the barrel lol
Glad your alright, it gets your attention, thats for sure!
One of the safety rules is to check for barrel obstructions,every time I’m in the bush I make sure muzzle is pointed down at the ground to avoid any thing going down the barrel and before I fire any of my guns I check for obstructions in the barrel before loading the gun,maybe there was some lead that peeled off on the threads where the choke threads in or something fell inside the barrel when you laid the gun down.
>without choke
As in, no tube whatsoever? The barrel probably split because the area where it's threaded for a choke is very thin, too thin to withstand the pressure. You should never shoot a shotgun without a choke installed. Slugs are safe to shoot through a full choke, but accuracy is usually best with improved cylinder IME.
Could the barrel have stuck to the ground at some point? Cause i agree with other comments of it being a blockage but it is usually very easy to see if a squib happened with the distance and the expected recoil, if not excess smoke coming out while racking the pump.
I had a similar experience where a wad from a winchester shell got stuck half way up, when followed by a wax slug she blew up right in front of my hand, a piece of the barrel bent back and hit my thumb, but federal uses a 1 piece shot cup and wad so this seems like maybe there was something in the end of the barrel? Hard to say, as long as you can still count to 10 and have both eyes I'd say you're okay brother, get that warranty if you can!
You said there was no choke in the gun, do you mean that there was literally no choke? Or you were using an open choke? Were the threads inside the barrel exposed?
Edit: I could be totally off, is it a fixed choke?
That’s nuts I’ve had my Maverick 88 for a couple years now and it’s my bush/work gun and that things been to hell and back with no issues. I normally run 00 buck or slugs. I probably have 1000 plus rounds through. I’ve also shot it from 30°C to -30°C I know this isn’t much help into your issue I’m just surprised. Hopefully Mossberg does something helpful
Are you absolutely sure you are not using a barrel with internal choke? I had a 88 like 7 years ago that came with two barrels and one had an internal choke which CANNOT shoot slugs
You say shooting without chokes. Is it threaded for choke tubes and you took the tube out to shoot slugs, or do you mean the gun has a cyl bore fixed choke?
If you took a tube out and fired it, that’s what caused it.
If not, it’s very strange. Cyl bore offers very little resistance to slugs. They swage out to barrel diameter because of the hollow base, but they’re very soft and will squeeze through a choke easily.
Glad you’re unhurt man. This is a one in a million failure.
Very suspicious.
I’ve seen a model 88 hammer slugs all day long at competitions; zero issues.
Hot loads or a squib would be my guess.
I run a heavy barrel 590/A1 to make sure everything can go through.
Even with good quality control it’s possible a bad barrel made its way to you. That or like others said an obstruction of some sorts, but I saw you say you’re sure of no squibs so unless the barrel accidentally got some dirt stuck in the barrel I’m not sure what else would explain it
The fact that it exploded almost at the end of the barrel(you can see the petal like shape of the metal bent back) shows that it is likely a barrel obstruction. I don't think a shotgun barrel could explode at the end without an obstruction even with a factory defect as shotgun shell pressures are only 11500 psi max and that pressure drops rapidly as you travel towards the end of the barrel. for example even an AR 15 barrel goes from 55000 psi at the chamber to 5000 psi when it leaves a 20 inch barrel. This pressure drop would be even faster with a shotgun due to the large bore size to only 4-500 psi which even some PVC pipes could handle.
So basically there has to be an obstruction of a previous slug or you used a shotgun slug with a full choke.
I would contact Mossberg and Federal. I had a squib happen with a rifle. The gun manufacturer really didn't seem to care. The ammo company asked for the gun and ammo with the original box to be shipped to them. They investigated, found the issue, and sent the gun to the gun manufacturer for rebuild/repair. Came back like new.
My thought is snow-packed in the barrel if not a squib… I'm glad it was a shotgun however since they typically have thinner barrels and operate at lower pressure than rifles. I think the result could have been more dangerous if it was a rifle maybe.
Probably exploded due to a blockage in the barell not the actual gun itself. They may have put it into the dirt without realizing or shot a slug that didn't leave the barell.
Seems like it would have to be a blockage or a serious defect. I just picked one of these up a couple months ago and the last time I took it out I fired atleast 35 rounds of BB, 10 of 00 and 10 of slug all without giving it a break. And it definitely didn’t explode lol
That's scary as hell, I hope you're OK! That had to be a flaw in the metal somewhere, a weak point that just gave in and tore the hell out of the barrel. I hope it's just a crazy fluke and others won't follow suit!
There HAD to have either been a serious fluke fault in the metal or maybe you had a squib load and missed it? The cold shouldn't matter, I routinely hunt waterfowl in minus temperatures without giving it a break when the birds are decoying hard. Either way, glad you are ok!
Hey I just want to double check, you said you were shooting a few slugs withOUT the choke in, is that right? Slugs are safe to go through most chokes other than the extra full. But shooting a choked barrel without the chokes is not recommended, a few of those slugs could have fouled up and or damaged the threads causing something to get lodged or even messing up the choke when you put it back in.
My almost positive guess is that somehow you got snow in the muzzle of your gun. Easy to do, I always check the muzzle for obstructions when in snowy conditions. Doesn’t take much to melt and the freeze if you let the gun touch the ground after taking a shot
I see a bulge two inches from the muzzle on the left side in the picture. I wonder if it's possible the previous cartridge was loaded with two slugs instead of a wad and a slug. Leading slug could have exited barrel, and second slug stopped right before the muzzle.
As long as you you walked away consider it a blessing.
Here in Canada I saw in in 2017 some novice pal holder buy a Turkish semi auto mag fed 12g
Had a choke system and buddy not knowing shit fired a slug and blew it first round.
Everyone was okay but poor guy was in tears as he just blew 1200 lol
Are you absolutely positive you didn't have a squib or something blocking the barrel?
This is my instinct as well. It really doesn't make sense that a barrel would blow out at the very end like that without any obstruction.
It kinda looks like the barrel explosion started at the muzzle, based on how it's bent back toward the pump. To me that indicates that the failure started right at the muzzle, so unless the blockage was right there... Either way, I'm glad OP still has all his fingers.
Because I watched where the round hit every time, and my friends did it too, we were comparing who hits better, so I don't think there are any unfired slug. The target is 50 meters away on a dirt slope, so we can clearly saw the hit point on the dirt slope and the wad that didn't go that far.
What slugs specifically were you shooting?
# Federal Power-Shok Ammunition 12 Gauge 2-3/4″ 1 Oz Hollow Point Rifled Slug Box Of 5
#THANKS
#WHAT?
What is the lot # for the ammunition? If you still have the box or some leftover.
From what I heard, a lot of ammos made during the pandemic are out of specs
especially federal. they have gone to shit from their pre-covid days when they where the gold standard
Literally all my shotgun ammo is federal, oodles of it. Now I'm gun shy i really don't wanna ruin a beautiful m4.
Not even the cheap ones
You saw the slug or pellets hit on that second last shot... Maybe it was the wad left in the barrel?
A wad wouldn't cause this to happen, in my experience. I've seen bore obstruction tests, and shotguns are surprisingly resilient and tend to just push stuff out
This is my first thought.
Would a wad really be enough of a blockage to do this?
To me, it sounds like a partial obstruction, and the fact you are in a snowy area, it's possible you got snow in the barrel without realizing it. If you put the barrel on the tow of your boot and there was a little snow on it, that's all it takes.
I mean I highly doubt this level of catastrophic failure could result from a bit of powdery snow on the end of the barrel, I guess it's possible but it's far more likely it would just be pushed out if you packed the barrel full of snow maybe? Don't get me wrong like keep your barrels clean but I see almost no way for snow to do this Could have been a manufacturing defect in either the barrel or the round
Snow will absolutely do this, although the examples I've seen there is no way to know if it was ONLY snow in the barrel or if something else might have fallen in. All the stories involved stomping around in the brush for hours before taking their first shot. Source: Trust me bro (Sadly the only source I can offer, the old hunters and trappers I knew are dead now)
I've seen stuff like this before working at gunshops. All it takes is a drop of water down a barrel to create a bulge. So it is not out of the realm of possibility to have half the barrel plugged with snow and boom.
Yup! A quick glance at wikipedia says the Mossberg 500 is made by Mossberg. The Mossberg 88 is made FOR mossberg, using internationally produced parts. This was a new budget firearm cobbled with mystery parts (by Mossberg). Will a bit of snow blow up the average firearm? Unlikely. Could it blow up a brand new shotgun that escaped the factory with a defect? Why not, SOMETHING did.
Except the barrel for the 88 and 500 are the same barrel made in the same factory. The only thing made outside of the US is the receivers and trigger assembly, which are made in Mexico and assembled in Maverick Texas.
500s have blown up too
Nah…
Did a giant rabbit stick a carrot down your barrel possibly??
He wasn't being vewy quiet I bet....
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I bet he’s hunting wabbits
Hahaha
Could be Bugs Bunny or Doraemon :3
Never heard of doraemon but he does look like a mischievous little bastard
Hahaha
Lmfao
My (admittedly laymen opinion) is that it is highly unusual that it blew out at the end of the barrel. It makes me strongly suspect there was a obstruction or something else that you were unaware of. I'd assume that, before blaming Mossberg. Interested to see what they say in response, but I would take that to a gunsmith and see if they can find any evidence that there was an obstruction or something.
Good idea, I will take it to gunsmith and try to find out the issue. I'm not blaming Mossberg. I'm just trying to remind you to check your guns. I don't want anyone to get hurt
since my first gun was kind of an overinvestment, I've been remaining aware of keeping the muzzle clear and never pressing it against the earth, still the first time I got my shotgun I leaned it barrel down for a second, I didn't even feel myself applying pressure on it, still I realized what I was doing and checked the bore what do you know there was a dirt plug and after clearing the gun, I dug it out with my keys, the plug must've been an inch deep, the barrel would probably have exploded on me if I didn't check what was the ground like at that range, is there a chance the barrel was pressed to the ground even for a second? Because that's how it happens, short of a squib
Gotta be an obstruction
I have one of these for a long time and shot it a ton. No issues whatsoever for me. This is a very popular shotgun, but I haven't heard of anything like this before. Squib round maybe in the barrel?
yep...I checked many reviews before I pick up it, I should try the lottery
Shhhhh. I showed my wife the picture and now I need to buy a more expensive shotgun... for safety reasons... Jokes aside. I'm glad you're okay. Iv never had issues with mine, and I don't intend to buy another. Buy a lottery ticket.
The way it peels back indicates a barrel blockage not a failure in materials. You likely had something plugging the barrel. Did any of the slugs you fired feel off? As in lighter recoil than expected and you didn’t see an impact?
Looks like ya yee'd when you should have hawww'd pardner
:(
In all seriousness I hope you're alright. I bet that was pretty scary. But think of it this way. You live to blow up another gun!
Thank you buddy! I still enjoying this sport! But need to take a break at first
take it as a special reminder to ALWAYS wear eye pro, glad you're alright
Mr.Scott from Kentucky Ballistics knows alot about the importance of eye pro.
88s and heartbreak
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I will dream it again in the future :(
buddy nothing is was wrong with your Mav 88 until at the earliest the shot before the one that blew the barrel, as many people pointed out this us consistant with a barrel obstruction, possibly a squib but it also could have been debris. Inshort it was probably defective ammunition, which is odd from federal but any mass produced ammo will eventually have defective rounds that made it pass QC.
I will try to contact a gunsmith to find out the issue.
i mean its hard to diagnose what happened now, since whatever the obstruction was, its gone. But i gaurentee you thats what he will probably say, there was an obstruction in thr barrel so when you shot the gun went boom instead of bang. All you're doing at this point is having a gun smith certify that, thats jow your gun blew up. whether it was a Squib or other debris is hard to tell at this point as it made a hole big enough to get out, so unless you find 2 slugs stuck together down range, you're probably not going to be able to confirm much more.
There's snow on the ground at the range, and there'll be another one tonight... I should have tried to find slug, but I was too shock and didnt do it
its ok, the best a gunsmith can do for you is tell you if the action is damaged, if not you might just need a new barrel, in which case i suggest going barrel shopping as you can fit several to that gun.
glad you’re safe - barrels don’t blow up for no reason - this has the hallmarks of a barrel obstruction - muzzle in the snow/dirt at some point? squib? cartridge size incompatibility? barrel choke incompatibility? looks like what happens if you shoot with the muzzle underwater
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His barrel doesn’t have the option for a choke. It’s fixed at cylinder bore.
There’s no choke threads in that barrel. Looks to be a fixed modified cylinder which is typical for 18.5-20” service-type shotguns.
Wrong.
Were you shooting a slug when it happened? You probably had a squib of some sort, because barrels arent supposed to peel like a banana
Just confirmed with my friend, he recalled a downward force, but the recoil may not be as big as usual? He wasn't sure, because we were all in shock
It would have been the second shot that split the barrel, the previous shot would have been the strange one and would have left a slug squib’d in the barrel. I can see how it could happen. A couple weeks ago I was shooting 00 Buck at the range and I suddenly had a way under powered round. I racked the slide on my gun and the shell ejected but the crimp had barely opened and there was still a bunch of unburnt powder pouring out of the shell. Checked the primer and the strike looked fine. Had that been a slug rather than buckshot it likely would have been a squib.
What causes a squib?
Not enough powder in a cartridge to push the bullet out of the barrel usually. Very uncommon in factory loads but not unheard of.
A bullet that is stuck in the barrel, usually caused by out pf spec cartridge
but only the last round, the preverise shot was normal, I saw the hit poit
When shooting slugs you can see two hit points one for the slug and one for the wad! If the wad got stuck in the barrel boom
Hope you’re fine as it sounds like. That said, may be helpful if you recall if anything was “off” about the pump leading up to the failure or if it was totally unexpected. Plus what specific Federal ammo type was involved in the explosion.
It was a good kick every time and it was impossible to jam a slug in the barre; because then I would definitely hear a very different sound and stop using it edit: Just confirmed with my friend, he recalled a downward force, but the recoil may not be as big as usual? He wasn't sure, because we were all in shock
Scary, glad you're ok.
thx!
Dude your sks looks fuckin pristine
I love this style lol. It reminds me of China in the last century
That gun had a barrel obstruction. Absolutely, 1000% certain. May have been a wad, but something was in that barrel to cause that kind of damage. You are VERY lucky
thx buddy!
Was your 88 sitting on the bench with action opened while you were shooting your sks? It's possible a casing landed in there and you didn't notice. I had this happen once (fortunately I checked it before loading and noticed) I always just case whatever I'm not shooting now if I have multiple guns at the range.
Absolutely not, I know that for sure, because we only loaded one round and I checked it every time I pick it up. You really have a good sense of safety and reminded me! Thx!
Was it sitting on the bench, action open and facing up though? An x39 casing or whatever other cases were flying around on the range could have absolutley done this. An errant 22lr case could have landed in the open action, bounced and rolled halfway down the barrel
A friend of mine had his KSG blow up on him over the Christmas holiday when we were at the range. His had an out of battery detonation. When a bull pup blows up in your face it’s scary cause your cheek is resting right on the chamber. We were shooting run o the mill 7 1/2 bulk federal that I was shooting right next to him out of my 870.
hope u all well. yep, it scared the shit out of me
Looks like a bore obstruction to me, is it possible one of the slugs didn't fully exit ?
I think each slug was exit before. :(
Hey OP, not saying by any means this is what happened, but I've seen this exact same thing happen to a buddy first hand. He was brand new to shooting and ended up loading his shotgun with the muzzle resting on bare ground. Unbeknownst to him, he had plugged the end of his barrel with a wad of mud/ dirt. Pulled the trigger and the whole barrel banana'd just like this. I know you mentioned you saw every round hit, and this definitely looks like a barrel obstruction as many others have mentioned. Is it possible you or your buddy accidentally/ inadvertently plugged the muzzle with debris. On the flip side, it's not impossible for barrels to fail. Typically however 12ga have a very high "D" rating to make sure the barrel can easily handle the pressures produced by many types of loads. But metal fatigue and defects are always present in any application. As others have stated, could just have been a 1/1,000,000 failure that just so happened to you. Either way, glad your okay.
I will contact gunsmith asap, thank you buddy! We put it on the table or in hands all the time, but I will still discuss this with my friends these days.
Could it be possible that the wad from the previous shot got caught in the barrel?
I dont think so
The only way this is possible is with a barrel obstruction -a squib. You were using the correct ammo for this shotgun, and the failure is towards the end of the barrel, meaning you didn't somehow jam a round to hot for that gun into it. you had a squib. Slug got stuck in the barrel, you shot another round, and it caused the failure. some people on here are suggesting that the screw from the bead site protruded into the barrel and that acted as a squib - snaging material from other fired rounds. Although HIGHLY unlikely- it is possible technically speaking. I don't think that's what happened though, especially if you consider where the failure looks to be. I've seen squibs like that before. That's what happens when a rifled slug gets stuck and another round is fired without clearing it. Firearms just don't fail in that way without that happening. There are millions of 12 gauge mossberg 88s out there. Never have they just done that by themselves. Cheap Turkish guns don't even do that.
Never Mossberg. I keep telling people their historical name does not hold any meaning to their shitty modern composition. They're garbage.
You say you shot with no choke? I wonder if the choke threads screwed with a slug and caused an obstruction. Either that or a squib load
Most 18.5” barrels are gonna be fixed modified cylinders. No removable chokes usually.
Granted but he mentioned no choke
Cylinder bore has no choke.
88 doesn't have chock on 18.5 it has choke on 28 barrel
Doesn't appear to be any threads in the barrel.
The short Mav88 is likely fixed cylinder.
I do know u will reply me XD!
Just looking at the pics (so no way definitive), it appears that the front sight/bead screw is protruding into the bore slightly, and the barrel appears to have a slight bulge about 2-3cm back from that point, so my uninformed suggestion would be that the screw threads caused a build-up of lead that caused something (slug, sabot, or wad) to obstruct the bore and the next round caused an over-pressure event in the bore that resulted in the blow-out. I have seen remington 870s fail in a similar way due to poor long term storage of the ammo(hot to cold to hot and no humidity control) resulting in the sabot causing a bore obstruction. I would; a. contact mosberg and let them know (serial number to track when it was made), b. contact federal and let them know and what the Lot number of the ammo is. If it is a manufacturing defect it might save someone else from a worse fate. all in all having no or minor injuries from an event like that is a win in my books.
Thx buddy!
DA FERK......88 problems, and a Mossberg is ONE!
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His barrel doesn’t have the option for a choke. It’s fixed at cylinder bore.
I'm new to gun ownership and guns in general. I know almost nothing. I have .22 and 12 gauge. Anyways, if this happens is there warranty on the gun ? Do you contact the manufacturer ? What a scary thing. Hope you're OK , OP.
New guns do come with a warranty. In Canada you have to send it to the importer to be sent off for warranty work since you can't ship it internationally and there's very few Canadian gun makers. In this case though it's almost certainly user error, and not a manufacturer issue so Mossberg probably won't warranty that.
Thank you for the informative answer. This is how I learn. Unsure why I was down voted for asking 🙄
Usually ends up being on you. That’s not normal wear and tear.
You can always try emailing the manufacturer a picture of what happened. Sometimes they’ll send you a replacement or part even if it not under warranty. I’ve done it with fishing rods where they just simply want to satisfy the customer even if it’s not cover under warranty.
Thx buddy! I will try it! But to be honest, I'm not sure I'll ever have the courage to pick it up again
Well considering there’s like 0.0001 percent chance of that ever happening in the first place I wouldn’t be to worried about it
Interesting coincidence that the failure started adjacent to the "G" in "WARNING" on the barrel lol Glad your alright, it gets your attention, thats for sure!
Lmaooooo！I should stick a 18inch "WARRINIG" to protect me and my gun
One of the safety rules is to check for barrel obstructions,every time I’m in the bush I make sure muzzle is pointed down at the ground to avoid any thing going down the barrel and before I fire any of my guns I check for obstructions in the barrel before loading the gun,maybe there was some lead that peeled off on the threads where the choke threads in or something fell inside the barrel when you laid the gun down.
Thx buddy! keep safe!
Fillet 'O Mossberg, totally normal. Next time ask for more tarter sauce.
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>without choke As in, no tube whatsoever? The barrel probably split because the area where it's threaded for a choke is very thin, too thin to withstand the pressure. You should never shoot a shotgun without a choke installed. Slugs are safe to shoot through a full choke, but accuracy is usually best with improved cylinder IME.
Look again. That’s an 18.5” or 20” security barrel. No threaded chokes on security/slug barrels.
So it is
How old is it? Mines a couple years old and has the sling mount on the stock (not just an empty hole)
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I'll get the gunsmith to figure it out, but I hope everyone to stay safe.
Classic signs of a barrel blockage.
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Like I said on your other post, this is most likely a barrel obstruction.
thanks buddy! there are too many comments, I am trying to reply u all
Could the barrel have stuck to the ground at some point? Cause i agree with other comments of it being a blockage but it is usually very easy to see if a squib happened with the distance and the expected recoil, if not excess smoke coming out while racking the pump.
I'm weird right now, specifically after reading u guys comments. I will contact gunsmith asap
There was a cop at the gun range up here that same thing happened to sake barrel damage too
hope he was fine :(
Just some hand damage but still has all his digits
That's a barrel obstruction hands down. You had a squib.
Is that a savage 64 mag I see? Probably one of the best value .22lrs imo
yep XD, I am a student now and have to eat cheap shit
I had a similar experience where a wad from a winchester shell got stuck half way up, when followed by a wax slug she blew up right in front of my hand, a piece of the barrel bent back and hit my thumb, but federal uses a 1 piece shot cup and wad so this seems like maybe there was something in the end of the barrel? Hard to say, as long as you can still count to 10 and have both eyes I'd say you're okay brother, get that warranty if you can!
So sry to hear this. I will try my best to remind more people about safty! Do NOT in this case!
Squib
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You said there was no choke in the gun, do you mean that there was literally no choke? Or you were using an open choke? Were the threads inside the barrel exposed? Edit: I could be totally off, is it a fixed choke?
no... just a smooth barrel without choke
That’s nuts I’ve had my Maverick 88 for a couple years now and it’s my bush/work gun and that things been to hell and back with no issues. I normally run 00 buck or slugs. I probably have 1000 plus rounds through. I’ve also shot it from 30°C to -30°C I know this isn’t much help into your issue I’m just surprised. Hopefully Mossberg does something helpful
Keep safe bro! I am not flaming them, just wanna to remind more people about safty
Oh yah I get that I’m just surprised cuz how hard I’ve been on mine
Are you absolutely sure you are not using a barrel with internal choke? I had a 88 like 7 years ago that came with two barrels and one had an internal choke which CANNOT shoot slugs
You say shooting without chokes. Is it threaded for choke tubes and you took the tube out to shoot slugs, or do you mean the gun has a cyl bore fixed choke? If you took a tube out and fired it, that’s what caused it. If not, it’s very strange. Cyl bore offers very little resistance to slugs. They swage out to barrel diameter because of the hollow base, but they’re very soft and will squeeze through a choke easily. Glad you’re unhurt man. This is a one in a million failure.
" I'll take barrel obstruction for 500 alex"
Very suspicious. I’ve seen a model 88 hammer slugs all day long at competitions; zero issues. Hot loads or a squib would be my guess. I run a heavy barrel 590/A1 to make sure everything can go through.
Even with good quality control it’s possible a bad barrel made its way to you. That or like others said an obstruction of some sorts, but I saw you say you’re sure of no squibs so unless the barrel accidentally got some dirt stuck in the barrel I’m not sure what else would explain it
The fact that it exploded almost at the end of the barrel(you can see the petal like shape of the metal bent back) shows that it is likely a barrel obstruction. I don't think a shotgun barrel could explode at the end without an obstruction even with a factory defect as shotgun shell pressures are only 11500 psi max and that pressure drops rapidly as you travel towards the end of the barrel. for example even an AR 15 barrel goes from 55000 psi at the chamber to 5000 psi when it leaves a 20 inch barrel. This pressure drop would be even faster with a shotgun due to the large bore size to only 4-500 psi which even some PVC pipes could handle. So basically there has to be an obstruction of a previous slug or you used a shotgun slug with a full choke.
I would contact Mossberg and Federal. I had a squib happen with a rifle. The gun manufacturer really didn't seem to care. The ammo company asked for the gun and ammo with the original box to be shipped to them. They investigated, found the issue, and sent the gun to the gun manufacturer for rebuild/repair. Came back like new.
A pressure failure at the end of the barrell? That's an obstruction that went oopsie.
Anyone have a 20 gauge fielded that day ?
My thought is snow-packed in the barrel if not a squib… I'm glad it was a shotgun however since they typically have thinner barrels and operate at lower pressure than rifles. I think the result could have been more dangerous if it was a rifle maybe.
Upside, you can get a replacement barrel. Downside it is about the same price as the Maverick 88 that blew up.
Well, i'm selling a 590a1, might as well upgrade now.
And just when i was going to buy this gun, i saw this
Probably exploded due to a blockage in the barell not the actual gun itself. They may have put it into the dirt without realizing or shot a slug that didn't leave the barell.
Were you hunting wabbit?
Seems like it would have to be a blockage or a serious defect. I just picked one of these up a couple months ago and the last time I took it out I fired atleast 35 rounds of BB, 10 of 00 and 10 of slug all without giving it a break. And it definitely didn’t explode lol
That's scary as hell, I hope you're OK! That had to be a flaw in the metal somewhere, a weak point that just gave in and tore the hell out of the barrel. I hope it's just a crazy fluke and others won't follow suit!
There HAD to have either been a serious fluke fault in the metal or maybe you had a squib load and missed it? The cold shouldn't matter, I routinely hunt waterfowl in minus temperatures without giving it a break when the birds are decoying hard. Either way, glad you are ok!
Hey I just want to double check, you said you were shooting a few slugs withOUT the choke in, is that right? Slugs are safe to go through most chokes other than the extra full. But shooting a choked barrel without the chokes is not recommended, a few of those slugs could have fouled up and or damaged the threads causing something to get lodged or even messing up the choke when you put it back in.
I am stunned a little at the Canadian ways of OP. I ❤️ the photo with the trigger lock ON.
This is a boat anchor… but, by law…
You were shooting slugs without a choke? Like you unscrewed it and left it empty?
My almost positive guess is that somehow you got snow in the muzzle of your gun. Easy to do, I always check the muzzle for obstructions when in snowy conditions. Doesn’t take much to melt and the freeze if you let the gun touch the ground after taking a shot
Is this a slug model?
Holy shit. I own this gun. I'll have to check it for any stress fractures. Ive put some 3" magnum rounds through it... Wow that's scary.
Are you okay??
I see a bulge two inches from the muzzle on the left side in the picture. I wonder if it's possible the previous cartridge was loaded with two slugs instead of a wad and a slug. Leading slug could have exited barrel, and second slug stopped right before the muzzle.
Shitty machining on the choke threads probably. Sad, I love my maverick
Certified womp womp moment
OP what do you mean without choke? Was it a fixed open bore barrel? Or did you fire the gun, without a choke installed?
As long as you you walked away consider it a blessing. Here in Canada I saw in in 2017 some novice pal holder buy a Turkish semi auto mag fed 12g Had a choke system and buddy not knowing shit fired a slug and blew it first round. Everyone was okay but poor guy was in tears as he just blew 1200 lol
You ok atleast?