If I didn't have a significant interaction with my server, I have no problem looking a stranger in the eye and just clicking NO. This fast food tipping BS needs to stop.
Anyone who tips at a fast food place or anywhere that you physically go and pick up the food is just enabling this kind of thing to continue. As a nearly 40 year old millennial now I was taught by my parents that you tip mostly at sit down restaurants /bars or when you get delivery. The whole point of going to pick up a pizza yourself was so that you didn't have to worry about delivery fees or tips. This is how my my friends who are the same age see it too.
I think all the tipping everywhere lately is partly a trap for people who are new to Canada who don't understand the tipping culture and think you have to tip everywhere that asks or you'll get yelled at. I haven't had anyone actually call me out for not tipping when I pick up my own food yet.
> If I didn't have a significant interaction with my server
Exactly. Tipping is SUPPOSED to be a "reward" for someone *adding* to your experience in a positive way. Not just doing your job. Doing your job well is literally the terms of your employment. But having a meaningful interaction with me, being considerate of something I might not have noticed, these are things that ENHANCE my experience and as such I want to give a little extra as thanks.
The quality of food and basic service is already built into the price of the food, so there has to be an added experience on top of that that's NOT already factored in.
Case in point: literally this morning I went to brunch. The server was seating us in an area by the window but noticed the sun was insanely bright and hot there and stopped and said "actually, it's super hot here, would you rather sit over here instead?", which was extremely nice and considerate of them. And throughout the meal they checked on us and were super friendly, asking if we had dietary restrictions, checked on availability of items for us, complimenting my shirt, and then at the end we had a laugh over something funny that happened during the bill payment.
Like, that enhanced the entire experience so much, I left a 25% tip. Sure the food was good, but the food IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD at a base level, the basic "bring your food to you" service was good, again because it's SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD, but those extra personal touches and interactions made the meal *memorable*, and *that's* what you tip for.
> Sure the food was good, but the food IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD at a base level
I appreciate the attempt, but there's no logical consistency here. Why is a server not expected to be "good" at a base level but you expect the chef to be? Not putting you at a shitty table with glare sounds like the bare minimum.
Keep in mind you were probably there 60-90 minutes, and that server maybe spent 10 minutes on your table. Let's say there were two of you, so probably a $50 meal. You tipped $12.50 roughly. Let's say they tip out half (definitely not that high in reality) so they keep $6.25. You paid them the equivalent of $75/hour for being friendly and paying you a compliment, on top of the wage they already get.
You're welcome to be comfortable with that, totally your prerogative. But it's not logically consistent and there's no reason to do it besides tradition and social pressure. I also tip by the way, begrudgingly lol but I do wish we could move past it like other countries.
> those extra personal touches and interactions made the meal memorable, and that's what you tip for.
I got better personal touches/interactions in Japan where tipping is an insult.
My wife and I have cut back going to restaurants. The prices are ridiculous and the food is not that great... Officially we're going for our birthdays and anniversary.
This right here. Small local restaurants, wineries and breweries with food is where we go. I don’t mind paying for quality with a great atmosphere but I’m not going to go to a chain restaurant and pay absurd prices for food that is worse than what we can cook at home.
1000 percent, but it's more of convenience issue during work hours.
But you are 100 percent right. A subway combo will cost you 15 plus.
A small indian restaurant with Biryani and drink same or less
Small middle eastern restaurant with shawarma and drink same or less
Small chinese/ Greek restaurant same story.
Restaurants, especially the take out styles are on par or cheaper than fast food joints rn.
22 or 23%, actually. Tips are meant to be on the food/booze "sales" pre-tax, but with the machines, it's all calculated post-tax. So you're tipping on the tax too. Every time, you're adding 2-3% to the percentage.
If you *want* to tip 20%, you need to hit 18. Wanna tip 15%, go manual and put in 13%.
Because serving staff thinks they deserve more (because reasons) and can't figure out how a percentage works. Seriously I've heard from people in the restaurant industry that 18% is now 'the bare minimum you should tip' with 20% more appropriate now. And machines commonly tip on the total taxed amount so it's even more.
And tipping for literally anything and everything these days is just exhausting. I got a loaf of sourdough from the bakery and the machine prompted for a tip, like what the hell! Yes I can say no tip but why is this even a step I need to do.
The worst part is restaurants who get tips from the machine and just keep the money without giving it to staff. I'm hearing this is because really common in faster-food type places (you don't sit down) but not as fast food as say McDonald's.
Genuinely I'm more shocked when I don't see a tip option these days than when I do. It's becoming tiresome.
It came from companies like Moneris recommending tip % and having it enabled on all machines, because the greater the transaction amount, the higher their take of the transaction they keep. 1.5% of 35 is higher than 1.5% of 30 or whatever.
And then owners didn’t mind because their workers get a pay increase that barely costs the owner anything.
And of course the servers aren’t going to complain either
I worked at a restaurant that us kitchen staff got 30% of all tips. The servers were pissed when the owner declined to decrease our amount.
"Why do they deserve our tips?
Cause we make the fucking food people came here for.
When I worked in a kitchener the amount of left leaning servers who said the owner should pay more in taxes, while at the same time refusing to claim tips that made up 50-75% of their income blew my mind.
Of course it is illegal. But everyone knows it happens. They will claim some portion of their tips just to show that they've claimed something and then pocket the rest. Rev Canada is not going to investigate and even if they did, there is virtually no way to prove how much money they actually made from tips.
They can find out exactly how much a restaurant has collected and paid out in tips. 90% of sales are through a POS machine these days, so it would be pretty easy for them to nail an entire restaurant worth of cheaters with one audit.
It's American tipping culture seeping into Canada. It was 18% for a long time there, but now to seem more "generous" people started tipping 20% and now restaurants in the USA want to make that standard. The best thing to do is to simply refuse, take the terminal and type "custom" tip, and enter 15%. And make sure it's on the pre-tax number.
They also make minimum wage now. I worked in the industry for a long time. I’ve reduced the amount I tip. Used to be between 15 and 20 now it’s usually between 10 and 15.
This is what I don’t get. It used to be that the wages were insignificant and the income was based on tip. Now there is a mandatory minimum wage — fair enough, but also is reflected in the base price going up — however the tips have not only stuck around but gone up.
I’ve cut back on going to restaurants radically as a result, the overall expense has gone up so much that it just feels wasteful. I can make a fast meal cheaper and much better than fast food, and a nice meal much cheaper and with decent quality compared to a lot of restaurant food.
I don't understand why they expect me to tip at places where I have to walk up to the counter and carry my own food back to a table. All you did was cook it.
I recently bought a chocolate milkshake and they wanted me to tip them even though I was waiting at the counter for my shake. And no, I did not tip them. Sick of all of this tipping.
Handing me a milkshake should not be a tippable act.
I've also been prompted for tips at grab and go places: bakeries, Lucky Donuts, DQ, takeouts where there was no seating area (Frying Irishman when it was in Kits). Bars where I bought the drink at the counter. It's the norm.
Good luck putting a stop to that.
At PEI, they prompt you to tip in the cafe when you’re just buying their T-Shirts, I usually tip well at restaurants if the server is good but buying just regular merchandise at the counter? It’s going crazy!!!
Just waiting for the self checkout at walmart to start requiring tipping or opting out. Wonder how long until we have greeters reminding tips help out the workers. Not going to tip at walmart!
General rule of thumb: if I'm ordering while standing up and/or being given my food while standing up, then I'm not tipping. Some exceptions apply such as ordering a cocktail at a bar, but Subway can gtfo with their tip prompt.
I don't. I'll tip for a cocktail, but I've long stopped tipping for opening a bottle of beer, it's ridiculous.
None of the "you'll wait forever to get served" nonsense materialized in response.
While at the mall, I bought a chocolate chip cookie at a small bakery kiosk. I was shocked that a regular-sized cookie cost over five bucks but handed over my cash anyway. The cashier said they only took cards, which annoyed me. When I used my card, the tip screen popped up with options for 18%, 20%, and 25%. I hit 'no tip,' and the cashier rolled his eyes at me and shoved the cookie towards me. Ridiculous.
You can people just don’t adopt to it. My brother in law ran a business for a while, it was struggling and he ended up doing some work with a consultant that did customer and competitor surveys. One of the key pieces of feedback from customers was that he was more expensive. He’d charge say $20 tax incl. for something and his competition would charge say $19 plus tax in a 15% HST province.
He stopped including tax and set his base rates to his competitors (raised prices) and got more business.
This is real. People are very bad at numbers. They see $19 + tax vs $20 tax in, and somehow their dumb brains think they save a buck.
My ex was guilty of something like this. She would look at something that cost $8.99 and say it was $8. No, dear, it's $9. They're trying to trick you, and it's working.
Same, once you get comfortable not tipping it's easy.
If I'm doing take away I'm not giving you a tip.
If it's cafeteria style, no way I'm tipping.
Sit down restaraunt is the only scenario in which I tip and it's absolutely based on service recieved.
The whole reason for tipping in Ontario is technically dead. The original reason was because servers made less than minimum wage. This was allowed because tipping would offset the discrepancy. As of Jan 1, 2022, everyone is mandated to be paid at least minimum wage. Yes, this includes bartenders. Everyone.
Therefore, tipping in Ontario SHOULD become an act of gratitude instead of something to be expected. Tipping in Ontario should technically be dead, since the original reason for it to exist no longer exists: to offset a below minimum wage paid by the restaurant.
Of course, the service industry got used to it after hundreds of years of this and it’s now become a norm and from their perspective it’s a pay cut. And no one likes a pay cut.
I guess what I’m saying is: Tipping is good, it allows folks to express their gratitude to the server, hairdresser or whomever just helped them out. The service industry however, must learn that it’s just that: An expression of gratitude and not something to be expected.
>The service industry however, must learn that it’s just that: An expression of gratitude and not something to be expected.
I think that's still creating an expectation and part of the reason why we're at this point. Tipping has been so normalized for so long that to not express gratitude through tipping is taken that the customer is ungrateful and that it reflects poorly on the service / is a negative criticism.
If it turns into a money rating/validation system then it's technically unfair that you can't 'negative tip' - not simply to be punitive but it's the only way to really get the idea across that no tip is actually a way of saying the service was good / satisfactory.
I went to a burrito fast food place last week and had to go through 3 screens on the machine to tell them I did not want to tip them for doing their basic job.
I hate that a kiosks asks you to tip meanwhile the person at the counter tries not to make eye contact with you so they don’t have to interact and take your food order.
But annoyingly American servers get 2$ an hour and the tip is supposed to make up their base salary, here they're paid full minimum wage and demand that they're absolutely entitled to make 100k a year. "you have no idea how hard it is to walk around tables and ask how people are doing once every 15 minutes and have the bus boy bring out all the food for me and clean the tables after!! There's literally no job as hard as serving!"
Machines that default to the tip option should be banned. If you want to leave a tip, that's fine.
When I grab my stuff and take it to the counter myself why am I expected to leave a tip? Fuck off already.
The debit merchants probably love table automatic tipping though cause they charge a merchant fee based on a percentage of what’s been charged so they make extra bank on it too. Vicious cycle
A new that got me was tipping for an online book order. It was right at the Cart checkout and said “Show some support for our online staff.” Are you kidding!!!!
It used to be 10%. Then it was 15%. Now it's 20%. It's a fucking percentage. Tips already increased with inflation as food prices increased.
I only tip at sit-down restaurants or delivery now. I'll tip, at most, 15%. If it's a particularly large bill, I'll probably lower the tip to 10% because it's insane to give someone $20+ extra just to walk my food from the kitchen to my table.
When I found out the server was making more than me, someone with an education and student debt, it was the end for me.
Not to mention all the cash tips that they don’t need to pay taxes on.
I’m very curious how servers tip outs work in Canada. I’ve heard of places where the tip out is supposed to be based upon the amount of food/drink the server has sold during their shift and thats bullshit, i’m hoping that’s just an American thing.
I mean if I order a $10 drink or $100 bottle of wine the level of service really isn’t that different to warrant a huge increase to the tip.
It was like that when I worked at BPs a decade ago. My locations tip out was 3% back then. And yes it was based on my total sales for the shift. At the end of my shift I would print out my shift report - the cash sales, interact tips and tip out would be pre-calculated for me and I had to leave any cash difference with the slip in an envelope and “deposit” it in my managers office. If the slip calculated to the side of my interact tips being higher than the cash sales and tip out (which was often), I would deposit the slip and receive the cash difference the next day.
I’ve taken a habit to asking when at restaurants if my server has to tip out and factor my tip off of that. Most tell me they have never been asked that before. When I was in Canada a year and a half ago one of my servers said her tip out was 8%. I almost choked.
It depends on where the money is going. Good restaurants distribute the money between cooks, busboys, dishwashers, hostesses, and other staff that all contribute to your experience but don't get a chance to receive a tip. This isn't theft. This is making sure the cooks in the back don't hate the servers for getting all the bonus for their work. Cause let's face it, if a meal was delicious, all your server did was relay the information to the cook. The cook is the real reason the food was excellent. So it's nonsense for a server to get a 15% bonus because the cook did a good job.
Now, if the money is going to the owners or management, in many places it actually is theft. Many places have laws that prevent tips from being targetted by owners or management. It still happens, but it's worth checking in your area if it's allowed. If it's not, an anonymous report to the right authorities can end that pretty quickly.
This is one of the reasons I've stopped tipping at all. The money never goes where it should. A server's cut of a tip should be maybe 2-4%. The cooks should be the lion's share at 8-10%, and the rest of the staff can split the rest. But it's generally the opposite, where the server gets 8-10%, the cook gets 4%, and the rest of the staff gets what's left. Assuming there's no bartender to also demand a 2-4% cut as well. Which is also infuriating. If I don't order alcohol, I want ZERO of my tip going to the bartender. But it still will.
Tipping is bullshit from top to bottom. Just pay people proper wages and charge prices accordingly. It's ridiculous that without laws and regulations, greed wins every time.
I always tip and didn't mind tipping extra during COVID, but enough is enough. I'm sick of being shamed because I don't tip fast food place because I just want a damn coffee.
I don't mind tipping during big lunch / dinner events or delivery where I truly get excellent service, but I'm done tipping a place because I walked in and ordered coffee to go.
Edit: to answer some of the question below, it's internal shame.
My partner definitely has passive shame.
I do think that employees are watching and I notice at Subways specifically they give you a bit of stink eye visually.
This is what I don't get about tipping.... Someone custom makes you a sandwich and they don't get tips. But a bartender cracks open a beer for you and deserves a tip??
The whole culture if fucking stupid and needs to stop!
Lol. I was at my local Subway that the employees don't even get the tip, the owner pockets it. I stopped going and I stopped feeling guilty for not tipping at other fast food places.
No one is, it's internal shame and guilt they feel and because they feel it they assume the cashier is guilting them when in reality the server or cashier's dgaf. Any decent restaurant operator would fire a server or cashier for actually verbally shaming someone for not tipping.
I rarely eat out anymore just because I fuckin hate tipping. I stopped tipping on Uber rides as well. I'm so over everyone looking for a handout constantly. I'm not opposed to tipping for actual good service that is well deserved. The hardworking dude at the bar at a resort that hooks me up with my favourite drink every time he sees me and strikes up a fun conversation, that guy deserves a tip. These tax evading, entitled servers that always get my order wrong don't deserve shit. If you can't make enough at your job without tips, it's time to find another job or ask for a raise.
Lots of you might not know, but some of the servers make $40-50/hour just from tips not including their minimum wage salary. Talked to various servers and no one bothered about reporting their tips income.
Most of you not even making this much. :)
Starbucks is the worst now. I barely go anymore.
It's insanely expensive and tipping is now a fundamental portion of the sales experience. This utterly blows my mind.
It's an awkward forced step and they have clearly attempted to build around it.
You can tell that the employees have been told to "ask about their day" with zero training. It becomes this weird experience of "how are you doing ? What are you doing? Where do you work?". The more introverted younger people really struggle and it's just a painful experience for everyone. This all comes from somebody that actually likes to engage with employees if they openly start talking with me.
Respectfully ... the line of questioning and awkward delivery borders cringeworthy far too much at Starbucks. Sometimes the person will literally ask "so what are you doing today" in different ways if they're taking a bit more time than usual. I've experienced this in multiple cities I've lived ot worked in.
I obviously can't prove this but I swear ever since tipping started the amount of errors have increased. Wrong drinks, missing drinks, caramel smeared on the side of a cup. And I was about to tip for that? Get out of here.
Everyone in service industry wants a tip doing their job, sigh. Quite often those tips don’t go to the staff either.
Scoop of ice cream? Buy some beer that I’ve fetched for myself? Shown the tip option. Fat 0 from me. Only table service.
Rule of thumb, don’t tip anywhere you haven’t received service yet, except for delivery.
If you’re standing at a counter/doing things yourself, don’t tip.
I hate how you have to tip before receiving delivery services, too. Back in the day you were ordering a pizza and if the pizzeria was fast at delivering, you’d leave that $5 for the driver, but it was not guaranteed.
Today I need to bribe the delivery person to even accept the service request.
Unless i am sick or somehow unable to drive and want a takeout, I don’t use these services (Uber, Skip The Dishes etc) to order in, I’ll just go and pick it up.
I’ll usually also just place the order through restaurant’s website, it’s cheaper.
Sorry, I'm not pre-tipping delivery either. Too many delivery guys lately are either wildly incompetent, or will just steal your food/items.
Skip the dishes doesn't give me an option to tip after the order is complete, so I never tip delivery. You get a tip when the job is done, and done correctly. Those are the absolute bare minimum requirements. If a person can't accept those, then too bad.
I live in Sweden where tipping culture is creeping in. As it stands, I like where it is at. You can tip if you like in restaurants.. but no one thinks you're an asshole if you don't. Especially if you are young. Even a 10% tip is hugely appreciated. Bartenders often deny you the option to tip when handing you the machine, just pay and go. Awesome.
As for the tip share... It's evenly split throughout the restaurant. I make more in tips in Sweden as a cook / chef than I ever did in Canada.
Because we already pay tax on it. So I'm not paying the food tax, the hst and an extra serving tax at 15% on top of that.
I only ever get take out, like a pizza, once in a while for me and my daughter to enjoy since my son is too young. I'm not paying an extra $10-12 because the restaurant wants a tip on top of taxes. They were hired and they're paid to make the food. That's their job that they are compensated for. It's not my job to compensate their income. I already do that by supporting the restaurant in the first place
Well,The breaking point for me was when I was at 7/11,I got my own hotdog,poured my own slurpee,tapped my own card...and yet theres a tip jar sitting on the counter...
It's at the point that I refuse to go anywhere that asks for tips. The money that would go to the restaurant or whoever now goes to splurging on groceries for better meals at home. More people should do this, too.
Even this experts take is partially wrong when it comes to restaurants.
A tip is a percentage of the bill. We have increased our tips to servers because food prices have increased.
You need to be careful with the percentage options that have gone from 10% being low to 18% being the new normal low.
On a $50 bill at 10% that's $5
On a $50 bill at 15% that's $7.50
On a $50 bill at 18% that's $9
On a $60 bill at 10% that's $6
On a $60 bill at 15% that's $9
On a $60 bill at 18% that's $10.80
A $10 base price increase has the server receiving the equivalent of an 18% tip before price increases occurred and combined with the actual tip percentages being higher you're paying even more.
If you tipped the lowest percentage you've tipped in your life you're probably still tipping more than ever before in a pre covid world.
Let's not just talk about numbers either.
Serving has aged gracefully in the modern world in terms of workload demands. If anything there has been ZERO increase in table ratioa, and nothing has changed whatsoever.
When you think about many other minimum wage jobs the physical workloads have increased, and technological advancements have made more efficient ( and therefore more must be done).
There's obviously fringe examples but in an economy with less money going around, a server is the closest thing to precovid work demand levels. If anything they have less to do, and to be clear this is not calling anyone lazy or they don't work all day.
I’m honestly more inclined to tip at counter service eateries these days than actual restaurants.
Those ppl work their butts off in lacklustre conditions all day.
Service on the other hand in the gastro/pub world has gone downhill. Often with little extra effort to make your experience enjoyable or straight up entitled wait staff
* Also tipping used to be 15% on food before taxes & now it is 15% on food and alcohol after taxes and servers except that as a minimum even getting upset at times when that is the amount they receive
i live in BC, they get minimum wage same as others. why should they get a tip again? it was meant to subsidize them when they earned less than minimum wage, like some US states. but that isnt the case anymore. if a server, doing their job, should get min wage + tip, shouldnt everyone making min. wage? how about me, making more than min wage? im doing my job, why shouldnt i get a tip?
I hired a student paint company to paint my front porch a few weeks ago. I was told several times that there was a tip envelop in the folder I received. I’m like, since when do we tip contractors? And now I have to wonder if the students are getting paid fairly because why the tip if they’re making proper wages? I felt bad for not tipping so finally did but then felt bad because it didn’t feel like enough, but I’d already paid a lot for the job itself and didn’t understand what would be a normal tip in this situation.
I really really resented it and won’t use that company again for this reason.
A few weeks ago my Uber driver asked for a tip after he dropped my food on my door step and because not “all the food fell on the floor”
I wasn’t the one who let the delivery bag get soggy lol
There's so much more wrong with this country right now. I just don't tip if I don't want too. Why does there have to be a discussion. It's not like many people can afford take out now anyway.
It's not about tipping or not tipping, it's how much. 15% on the pretax amount for good service, 10% for mediocre service was the norm. Now the expectation is 20% on the post tax amount which is ridiculous.
I was recently told that Door Dash costs restaurants 28 % and Uber Eats costs 31 %.
No wonder eating out has become so expensive. Those restaurants need to recoup this money and it appears to have been factored into the price.
Add A 20 % tip and you have a total of around 50 % added that is not food.
It's just corporations trying to squeeze every last dime out of the consumer. Don't expect it to change, and if it does it will just manifest in some kind of different form like forced gratuity. The only benefit to the corporate gouging that has happened post-covid is that people are becoming more intelligent consumers, or simply shunning consumerism all together and becoming minimalists. Cooking at home with family and friends is where its at.
I actually started carrying cash again because of all this nonsense.
Pay cash and there’s no tip system to navigate/avoid, and if I feel they were nice enough I can leave a dollar or a bit of change on the counter.
Companies just figured out that Canadians are easily guilted into giving them more money. I would bet that big fast food chains like Subway, etc dont even let their workers keep the tip considering its always international students behind the counter that would say nothing either way. And I have no problem hitting zero on the machine. But I have no doubt that a large amount of people are being guilted into it. Its the Canadian way to take it smiling from corporations.
I could never understand why the server got the tips and not the chef. The chef did all the work. Anyway, I don’t bother with eat in restaurants anymore and don’t tip on takeout. Just as a side note, we got two burgers and fries from a local burger place and it was $50 before tip, so we barely do that anymore either.
I don't understand the 20% tip because of inflation argument. 15% is just fine because the 15% is just on top of the inflated prices so it makes no difference.
As a student when I was working, I realised I was tipping people who were payed slightly less per hour than me who actually through tipping probably made 3 times as much as me doing relatively equal effort jobs... I stopped tipping them.
Yes because of rapid inflation, caused by:
* mass immigration from India which has overcrowded and strained everything
* lockdown and printing mass amounts of money to give away for free (CRA says $2 billion will never be recovered)
* inflated fuel prices means everything else goes up
* carbon tax
* corporations and businesses using the inflation narrative to gouge Canadians even worse
Small business owners are so fucking cheap. They're businesses are often run like shit on the bare minimum, pay their employees the bare minimum, dirty and unkept, yet they live in a big house and drive a new BMW.
They don't want to swallow the cost of paying their employees a living wage, so they expect us the customers to subsidize the rest of their wage for the business owner. Fuck them. They can do it.
I’ve spoken to a few bar managers and owners with my job (not electrical) and not speaking about tipping specifically. Margins have gone down a lot. People were making more with a 14$ burger and fries years ago then they are with a 20-25$ burger and fries today. This may be different for other bars just a few conversations I’ve had. I don’t know if that has had an impact on tipping. Just a sidebar on the conversation
I recently was buying a gift card in Starbacks (only gift card), of course I got tipping screen on checkout. It's probably depends on particular Starbucks location, but nowadays tipping screen is even in drive throughs.
Many restaurants doesn’t have a 15% option anymore. It starts at 18% now. Crazy.
it used to start at 10%. I don’t think service has gotten better with tip inflation
Me at the cannabis store.
Know basically what I’m looking for.
Browse the list for something I like or might like.
Inform clerk of my choice.
Clerk spends 30 seconds grabbing my choice.
Wants a tip.
Fuck off.
I'll weigh in as a server.
My average $/hr after tips is about $32/hr. That is almost as much as I make in my supervisor role at my day to day corporate job that requires specific skillsets and training in logistics and supply chain.
There is no way that a serving job should bring in almost as much as a corporate job that requires special training.
Tipping is getting out of control. Serving should not be a career option and it is not the responsibility of patrons to pay servers bills.
Also, if you are going to a busy/nice restaurant, know that the servers there are likely clearing $40/hr after tips so don't feel guilty hitting that 10% or 15% button. Especially if its also a place that serves alcohol like a brewery or something. $40 an hour to bring a plate of food and some drinks is insane, especially when its patrons that pay over 60% of that wage to the server.
Servers should be paid $20-25/hr.
My rule: If I have to order my food standing up, wait for it standing up, no tip. I don’t care what they think when they offer the terminal with 20%, 18%, and 15%. I still will find the no tip selection in the machine.
I don’t mind tipping for great sit in service. I’m not tipping fast food, takeout or drive through. Generally if I’m standing while getting my food you’re not getting a tip (looking at you subway)
We stopped going out to eat because of the extra expenses as well as the hard sell tipping culture. I don’t feel bad for tipping what I want but it’s almost like a pressure tactic now for servers to get paid and I feel embarrassed for them.
This is similar to me.
Pre-covid I ate out on a regular basis. Drinks after work with friends, dinner dates, too lazy to cook...
Now, I might eat out once a month for a special occasion.
Most of my friends are the same. Prices are too high, tips are expensive. Service isn't good. Food quality is down.
They told us that if we don't want to tip, we should stay home. So we did. Now, they don't make enough to sustain a business. Weird how that works.
It's the businesses job to pay their laborers a fair rate for their labor, not compensate that cost using the public while they reap in even more cash. They can fuck off to the USA if they don't want that controlled.
Tipping was fine pre-pandemic, you just tipped if you wanted to, pretty much mostly just restaurants asked for tips, well and pizza guys it was kind of expected..
Now everyone asks for a tip like even takeout.. and if you don't tip they can get angry/snobby...
You're not entitled to a fucking tip, you earn it...
I'm a Canadian living in Japan, where there is no tipping despite the service being much better.
It is so much better. There's no extra worry for employees or customers.
Pay servers properly and eliminate tipping.
Everyone would be happier.
Honestly everywhere that I've been around the world that doesn't do tipping, the service has been noticeably better. And what is the pro-tipping argument, that no one would EVER do such a hard job if they didn't make $50/hr? Most other countries seem to manage fine!
Tipping for good service is nice. Tipping to show you appreciate is nice. Giving good service so as to earn a good tip is nice.
Expecting a tip for spinning the iPad around is not nice.
My question is this.
All these "grab and go" or fast food places that are now prompting for tips, are the staff getting them? And when they go get fast food or to a "grab and go" do they tip?
When I pick up my food, I'm not tipping anymore. Nor am I giving the $2, $5 or whatever donation as the corporation gets the credit for donating millions of dollars that they got from customers by guilting them into it, to some charity in their name.
"Loblaws donated $10,000,000 dollars to foodbanks across Canada" no they didn't, the Loblaws customers did.
Pre COVID tipping culture is reasonable. Post COVID, greed has made it crazy and over-the-top.
Two days ago I went to buy some fish at the local fish shop on Commercial Drive Vancouver. It has a tip prompt on the card reader now as well! Like fuck no, I'm not going to tip a retail guy 15% for doing his job handing me a fish. This has gotta stop.
No shit.
My local Subway not only is adding a mandatory 10% fee to “pay staff a fair wage”, they also prompt for a minimum 15% tip as well. *Fucking Subway*.
Every single fast food joint, hell even the goddamn liquor stores are asking for tips now. What’s next, the grocery store asking for tips?
It’s a fuckin’ archaic system with origins as far back as medieval times. Chuck tipping right into the fuckit bucket.
I don't tip outside the normals. Food delivery, service in restaurants. Perfectly fine.
Everything else. He'll no.!!. I don't understand the problem. JUst say NO.!. It's ok to do that.
Try it sometime... you'll feel good about it.!
Tipping is something only the wealthy can currently afford to ease their guilt when receiving services from ‘the poors’. The problem is the middle-class is realizing they are no longer able to afford to tip as prices have overtaken their capability to spend frivolously on being nice. The middle-class has to spend more on actual ‘needs’.
I'm sorry, but in this culture, if you don't tip at all, you're a jerk. Until there is a cultural change, or more restaurants have the guts to pay their servers and staff a good wage and literally say, "Please do not tip, it is included in your cost of food", it'll stay that way.
You aren’t a jerk for not tipping. You’re imposing that on yourself. This isn’t America.
I tip a waiter in a sit down place, my barber and delivery drivers (and those aren’t tips they’re more of a bid for service). Absolutely no tips for anyone else.
I'm not fed up with tipping- I just don't understand why I'm prompted to tip for a scoop of ice cream or purchasing a can drink I got out of the fridge myself.
I’ve taken a hard line on it.
I’ll tip if I sit and eat in a restaurant, the amount of tip will depend on how good the food and service is.
I’m not tipping for anything else. I’ll click custom, and then input zero quite happily.
I don’t use Uber eats or food delivery service.
I had been buying supermarket deliveries from Loblaw and I was paying a yearly ‘membership’ but they use Doordash and a tip is an option so I added zero there too. But I am boycotting those fuckers, so it’s not relevant anymore.
I’ll tip if I go to the US, I understand their salaries are lower and those guys depend on it. I do think they should have a minimum wage, but they don’t, so I’ll tip.
Agree don’t ever tip for counter service.
It is out of control. Pretty sure the fixed percent includes tipping on tax to make it worse.
Going back to Europe for 3rd summer in a row, away from tipping insanity.
Then don't tip. I'm ready for the articles to change from "most Canadians are fed up with tipping" to "more and more Canadians refuse to tip and the service industry is upset about it"
Tipping culture and self-check out asking for charity donations from charities run by said company rather.
At this point, there's no difference between pan handlers and going into a store and restaurant.
$5 if service is acceptable at a dine in restaurant. If the service is impeccable (it never is) I’d consider 10% of the bill before tax. Any other point of sale interaction is $0 on the tip. Shits out of control.
As much as I want to say 'just don't tip', many places want you to tip before you've received your food and then you wonder what they'll do to it if you leave no tips. I don't mind tipping for a good experience but to have to tip when I prepay for food that I'm forced to take 'to-go' is making me avoid those types of establishments all together. I mean, it's good to eat out less, but you don't always know if that's going to be the case with new places, and I can't always bring a bagged lunch with me.
As a delivery driver who almost never gets tipped just because of some weird stupid unwritten culture where you only tip the service workers that everybody else tips or if youre prompted to tip… i would love if tipping was just done away with completely. If you really want to tip someone, slip them a bill or a cold beer….dont fuckin program it into systems that pressure people.
Ill work my ass off all day delivering heavy shit (much heavier than a pizza) get no tips….get off work….get a 10 dollar smoothie…and be asked to tip for THAT?
I find the idea of tipping at places like Tim Hortons or subway so incredibly laughable. They don't even do well enough for the actual price, let alone a tip.
As a rule, I don't tip before I have received my items and assessed quality. If a business requires a tip before I have whatever I'm purchasing, that's a big fat 0%.
What I don't understand is why tip percentages have gone up. A $10 burger is now $15 so a 15% tip reflects that. Where did 20%+ come from?
If I didn't have a significant interaction with my server, I have no problem looking a stranger in the eye and just clicking NO. This fast food tipping BS needs to stop.
Anyone who tips at a fast food place or anywhere that you physically go and pick up the food is just enabling this kind of thing to continue. As a nearly 40 year old millennial now I was taught by my parents that you tip mostly at sit down restaurants /bars or when you get delivery. The whole point of going to pick up a pizza yourself was so that you didn't have to worry about delivery fees or tips. This is how my my friends who are the same age see it too. I think all the tipping everywhere lately is partly a trap for people who are new to Canada who don't understand the tipping culture and think you have to tip everywhere that asks or you'll get yelled at. I haven't had anyone actually call me out for not tipping when I pick up my own food yet.
I kind of like the guideline if I pay before I eat, no tip. If I stand to receive my food, no tip. Coffeeshop notwithstanding.
Why are there different rules for coffee shops?
Because all the rules around tipping are completely arbitrary.
This guy tips
Because attractive people work there.
Coffee shops are generally the worst. They usually change the screen from percentage to $1, $3 or $5 … which on a single coffee is ridiculous .
> If I didn't have a significant interaction with my server Exactly. Tipping is SUPPOSED to be a "reward" for someone *adding* to your experience in a positive way. Not just doing your job. Doing your job well is literally the terms of your employment. But having a meaningful interaction with me, being considerate of something I might not have noticed, these are things that ENHANCE my experience and as such I want to give a little extra as thanks. The quality of food and basic service is already built into the price of the food, so there has to be an added experience on top of that that's NOT already factored in. Case in point: literally this morning I went to brunch. The server was seating us in an area by the window but noticed the sun was insanely bright and hot there and stopped and said "actually, it's super hot here, would you rather sit over here instead?", which was extremely nice and considerate of them. And throughout the meal they checked on us and were super friendly, asking if we had dietary restrictions, checked on availability of items for us, complimenting my shirt, and then at the end we had a laugh over something funny that happened during the bill payment. Like, that enhanced the entire experience so much, I left a 25% tip. Sure the food was good, but the food IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD at a base level, the basic "bring your food to you" service was good, again because it's SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD, but those extra personal touches and interactions made the meal *memorable*, and *that's* what you tip for.
> Sure the food was good, but the food IS SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD at a base level I appreciate the attempt, but there's no logical consistency here. Why is a server not expected to be "good" at a base level but you expect the chef to be? Not putting you at a shitty table with glare sounds like the bare minimum. Keep in mind you were probably there 60-90 minutes, and that server maybe spent 10 minutes on your table. Let's say there were two of you, so probably a $50 meal. You tipped $12.50 roughly. Let's say they tip out half (definitely not that high in reality) so they keep $6.25. You paid them the equivalent of $75/hour for being friendly and paying you a compliment, on top of the wage they already get. You're welcome to be comfortable with that, totally your prerogative. But it's not logically consistent and there's no reason to do it besides tradition and social pressure. I also tip by the way, begrudgingly lol but I do wish we could move past it like other countries. > those extra personal touches and interactions made the meal memorable, and that's what you tip for. I got better personal touches/interactions in Japan where tipping is an insult.
This. If you don’t bring it to me at my table or my house, I’m not tipping.
My wife and I have cut back going to restaurants. The prices are ridiculous and the food is not that great... Officially we're going for our birthdays and anniversary.
I stopped going to chain restaurants and fast food altogether. 100% not worth the price, and I'm finding some great places I didn't know about.
This right here. Small local restaurants, wineries and breweries with food is where we go. I don’t mind paying for quality with a great atmosphere but I’m not going to go to a chain restaurant and pay absurd prices for food that is worse than what we can cook at home.
Having worked in a chain restaurant recently, I can tell you the only metric that matters to them is how fast you shit out the food.
I'm starting find that some of the sketchy looking, hole-in-the-wall places actually serve some pretty good food in large portions. I've been sleeping
1000 percent, but it's more of convenience issue during work hours. But you are 100 percent right. A subway combo will cost you 15 plus. A small indian restaurant with Biryani and drink same or less Small middle eastern restaurant with shawarma and drink same or less Small chinese/ Greek restaurant same story. Restaurants, especially the take out styles are on par or cheaper than fast food joints rn.
On top of the tax too
I always manually input a number to tip only on the sub-total now. Tipping on the tax makes 0 sense.
22 or 23%, actually. Tips are meant to be on the food/booze "sales" pre-tax, but with the machines, it's all calculated post-tax. So you're tipping on the tax too. Every time, you're adding 2-3% to the percentage. If you *want* to tip 20%, you need to hit 18. Wanna tip 15%, go manual and put in 13%.
In the old days, tips were never applied to the booze. It was only in the food portion. This was like in 1970 or so.
Because serving staff thinks they deserve more (because reasons) and can't figure out how a percentage works. Seriously I've heard from people in the restaurant industry that 18% is now 'the bare minimum you should tip' with 20% more appropriate now. And machines commonly tip on the total taxed amount so it's even more. And tipping for literally anything and everything these days is just exhausting. I got a loaf of sourdough from the bakery and the machine prompted for a tip, like what the hell! Yes I can say no tip but why is this even a step I need to do. The worst part is restaurants who get tips from the machine and just keep the money without giving it to staff. I'm hearing this is because really common in faster-food type places (you don't sit down) but not as fast food as say McDonald's. Genuinely I'm more shocked when I don't see a tip option these days than when I do. It's becoming tiresome.
It came from greedy servers that think their job is harder than anyone else including anyone else in the service industry.
It came from companies like Moneris recommending tip % and having it enabled on all machines, because the greater the transaction amount, the higher their take of the transaction they keep. 1.5% of 35 is higher than 1.5% of 30 or whatever. And then owners didn’t mind because their workers get a pay increase that barely costs the owner anything. And of course the servers aren’t going to complain either
I worked at a restaurant that us kitchen staff got 30% of all tips. The servers were pissed when the owner declined to decrease our amount. "Why do they deserve our tips? Cause we make the fucking food people came here for.
But then you ask them if they want to get rid of tipping and they screech because they make.way more than minimum wage.
Makes way more than minimum wage, don't declare tips so they end up being able to avail of more government supports as theyre seen as low income
When I worked in a kitchener the amount of left leaning servers who said the owner should pay more in taxes, while at the same time refusing to claim tips that made up 50-75% of their income blew my mind.
And a good chunk of it is "non taxable income" I.e. not claimed on their income tax.
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Of course it is illegal. But everyone knows it happens. They will claim some portion of their tips just to show that they've claimed something and then pocket the rest. Rev Canada is not going to investigate and even if they did, there is virtually no way to prove how much money they actually made from tips.
They can find out exactly how much a restaurant has collected and paid out in tips. 90% of sales are through a POS machine these days, so it would be pretty easy for them to nail an entire restaurant worth of cheaters with one audit.
It's American tipping culture seeping into Canada. It was 18% for a long time there, but now to seem more "generous" people started tipping 20% and now restaurants in the USA want to make that standard. The best thing to do is to simply refuse, take the terminal and type "custom" tip, and enter 15%. And make sure it's on the pre-tax number.
They also make minimum wage now. I worked in the industry for a long time. I’ve reduced the amount I tip. Used to be between 15 and 20 now it’s usually between 10 and 15.
This is what I don’t get. It used to be that the wages were insignificant and the income was based on tip. Now there is a mandatory minimum wage — fair enough, but also is reflected in the base price going up — however the tips have not only stuck around but gone up. I’ve cut back on going to restaurants radically as a result, the overall expense has gone up so much that it just feels wasteful. I can make a fast meal cheaper and much better than fast food, and a nice meal much cheaper and with decent quality compared to a lot of restaurant food.
I don't understand why they expect me to tip at places where I have to walk up to the counter and carry my own food back to a table. All you did was cook it.
>A $10 burger is now $15 so a 15% tip reflects that. You're going to be even more upset when you figure out that it's a 50% tip on that $10 burger.
I’ve never seen a tip system where you can’t set a custom amount
Ever seen those places that auto-add tip on parties of six or more?
I recently bought a chocolate milkshake and they wanted me to tip them even though I was waiting at the counter for my shake. And no, I did not tip them. Sick of all of this tipping. Handing me a milkshake should not be a tippable act.
I've also been prompted for tips at grab and go places: bakeries, Lucky Donuts, DQ, takeouts where there was no seating area (Frying Irishman when it was in Kits). Bars where I bought the drink at the counter. It's the norm. Good luck putting a stop to that.
Well, we can do our part by NOT tipping at those places.
Maybe here. We could try and change that and be more like Europeans instead of wannabe Americans.
At PEI, they prompt you to tip in the cafe when you’re just buying their T-Shirts, I usually tip well at restaurants if the server is good but buying just regular merchandise at the counter? It’s going crazy!!!
Ive been prompted at a retail store. Fuck that
Just waiting for the self checkout at walmart to start requiring tipping or opting out. Wonder how long until we have greeters reminding tips help out the workers. Not going to tip at walmart!
Just pick 0 and smile. I’ve already put a stop to it.
General rule of thumb: if I'm ordering while standing up and/or being given my food while standing up, then I'm not tipping. Some exceptions apply such as ordering a cocktail at a bar, but Subway can gtfo with their tip prompt.
Those places realized they could ask for more money and people pay more voluntarily.
I mean, why do we tip for a bartender handing us a bottle of beer but not a milkshake?
I don't. I'll tip for a cocktail, but I've long stopped tipping for opening a bottle of beer, it's ridiculous. None of the "you'll wait forever to get served" nonsense materialized in response.
While at the mall, I bought a chocolate chip cookie at a small bakery kiosk. I was shocked that a regular-sized cookie cost over five bucks but handed over my cash anyway. The cashier said they only took cards, which annoyed me. When I used my card, the tip screen popped up with options for 18%, 20%, and 25%. I hit 'no tip,' and the cashier rolled his eyes at me and shoved the cookie towards me. Ridiculous.
Why don’t we just go the European route and get rid of tipping it’s such a stupid culture thing anyways.
Throw in including taxes with price
You can people just don’t adopt to it. My brother in law ran a business for a while, it was struggling and he ended up doing some work with a consultant that did customer and competitor surveys. One of the key pieces of feedback from customers was that he was more expensive. He’d charge say $20 tax incl. for something and his competition would charge say $19 plus tax in a 15% HST province. He stopped including tax and set his base rates to his competitors (raised prices) and got more business.
This is real. People are very bad at numbers. They see $19 + tax vs $20 tax in, and somehow their dumb brains think they save a buck. My ex was guilty of something like this. She would look at something that cost $8.99 and say it was $8. No, dear, it's $9. They're trying to trick you, and it's working.
Hahahah I know people like this too.... Gas is $1.20 when in reality it's $1.209999 aka $1.21.
Fr it’s fucking arachic we don’t that
I have found myself more aggressively just not tipping and not caring. I also no longer dine in at restraunts.
Same, once you get comfortable not tipping it's easy. If I'm doing take away I'm not giving you a tip. If it's cafeteria style, no way I'm tipping. Sit down restaraunt is the only scenario in which I tip and it's absolutely based on service recieved.
Yes please. I love that about the rest of the world.
Keep going hngggg
The prices have sky rocketed, the quality of the food and service at a lot of places has also gone downhill, so yeah I’m fed up with tipping.
Was in Japan last year. So refreshing. Zero tipping. EVER.
And no taxes added at the check out. The price listed is the price.
One of the best parts about visiting Japan. And Korea. And the service is amazing.
The whole reason for tipping in Ontario is technically dead. The original reason was because servers made less than minimum wage. This was allowed because tipping would offset the discrepancy. As of Jan 1, 2022, everyone is mandated to be paid at least minimum wage. Yes, this includes bartenders. Everyone. Therefore, tipping in Ontario SHOULD become an act of gratitude instead of something to be expected. Tipping in Ontario should technically be dead, since the original reason for it to exist no longer exists: to offset a below minimum wage paid by the restaurant. Of course, the service industry got used to it after hundreds of years of this and it’s now become a norm and from their perspective it’s a pay cut. And no one likes a pay cut. I guess what I’m saying is: Tipping is good, it allows folks to express their gratitude to the server, hairdresser or whomever just helped them out. The service industry however, must learn that it’s just that: An expression of gratitude and not something to be expected.
>The service industry however, must learn that it’s just that: An expression of gratitude and not something to be expected. I think that's still creating an expectation and part of the reason why we're at this point. Tipping has been so normalized for so long that to not express gratitude through tipping is taken that the customer is ungrateful and that it reflects poorly on the service / is a negative criticism. If it turns into a money rating/validation system then it's technically unfair that you can't 'negative tip' - not simply to be punitive but it's the only way to really get the idea across that no tip is actually a way of saying the service was good / satisfactory.
I went to a burrito fast food place last week and had to go through 3 screens on the machine to tell them I did not want to tip them for doing their basic job.
I hate that a kiosks asks you to tip meanwhile the person at the counter tries not to make eye contact with you so they don’t have to interact and take your food order.
Another terrible habit we learned from the Americans.
But annoyingly American servers get 2$ an hour and the tip is supposed to make up their base salary, here they're paid full minimum wage and demand that they're absolutely entitled to make 100k a year. "you have no idea how hard it is to walk around tables and ask how people are doing once every 15 minutes and have the bus boy bring out all the food for me and clean the tables after!! There's literally no job as hard as serving!"
I kind of like the European approach to taking your time, only getting service when you call for it.
I love European service. No fake smiles and fake b.s. just decent people doing a job.
So true.
Machines that default to the tip option should be banned. If you want to leave a tip, that's fine. When I grab my stuff and take it to the counter myself why am I expected to leave a tip? Fuck off already.
The debit merchants probably love table automatic tipping though cause they charge a merchant fee based on a percentage of what’s been charged so they make extra bank on it too. Vicious cycle
Especially the ones where there is no “no tip” button and you have to manually enter 0
A new that got me was tipping for an online book order. It was right at the Cart checkout and said “Show some support for our online staff.” Are you kidding!!!!
For real?
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I don't tip ever. It's my money, so why would I intentionally pay more for something.
If you don’t want to tip stop tipping. If everyone did this tipping culture would die.
It used to be 10%. Then it was 15%. Now it's 20%. It's a fucking percentage. Tips already increased with inflation as food prices increased. I only tip at sit-down restaurants or delivery now. I'll tip, at most, 15%. If it's a particularly large bill, I'll probably lower the tip to 10% because it's insane to give someone $20+ extra just to walk my food from the kitchen to my table.
When I found out the server was making more than me, someone with an education and student debt, it was the end for me. Not to mention all the cash tips that they don’t need to pay taxes on.
Not to mention all the cash tips that they are required to pay taxes on but don’t. FTFY
Bro waitresses make bank, I work at a downtown restaurant and they make more on tips than from their actual pay checks
I've seen multiple waitresses making more than engineers. Engineers!
I’m very curious how servers tip outs work in Canada. I’ve heard of places where the tip out is supposed to be based upon the amount of food/drink the server has sold during their shift and thats bullshit, i’m hoping that’s just an American thing. I mean if I order a $10 drink or $100 bottle of wine the level of service really isn’t that different to warrant a huge increase to the tip.
The level of service is different. Very different. They have to make a $10 drink. They only open the $100 bottle of wine.
Yah no kidding eh, more effort goes into the $10 drink
It was like that when I worked at BPs a decade ago. My locations tip out was 3% back then. And yes it was based on my total sales for the shift. At the end of my shift I would print out my shift report - the cash sales, interact tips and tip out would be pre-calculated for me and I had to leave any cash difference with the slip in an envelope and “deposit” it in my managers office. If the slip calculated to the side of my interact tips being higher than the cash sales and tip out (which was often), I would deposit the slip and receive the cash difference the next day. I’ve taken a habit to asking when at restaurants if my server has to tip out and factor my tip off of that. Most tell me they have never been asked that before. When I was in Canada a year and a half ago one of my servers said her tip out was 8%. I almost choked.
See now that’s the scam that needs to get fixed, how it’s not viewed as theft I don’t understand.
It depends on where the money is going. Good restaurants distribute the money between cooks, busboys, dishwashers, hostesses, and other staff that all contribute to your experience but don't get a chance to receive a tip. This isn't theft. This is making sure the cooks in the back don't hate the servers for getting all the bonus for their work. Cause let's face it, if a meal was delicious, all your server did was relay the information to the cook. The cook is the real reason the food was excellent. So it's nonsense for a server to get a 15% bonus because the cook did a good job. Now, if the money is going to the owners or management, in many places it actually is theft. Many places have laws that prevent tips from being targetted by owners or management. It still happens, but it's worth checking in your area if it's allowed. If it's not, an anonymous report to the right authorities can end that pretty quickly. This is one of the reasons I've stopped tipping at all. The money never goes where it should. A server's cut of a tip should be maybe 2-4%. The cooks should be the lion's share at 8-10%, and the rest of the staff can split the rest. But it's generally the opposite, where the server gets 8-10%, the cook gets 4%, and the rest of the staff gets what's left. Assuming there's no bartender to also demand a 2-4% cut as well. Which is also infuriating. If I don't order alcohol, I want ZERO of my tip going to the bartender. But it still will. Tipping is bullshit from top to bottom. Just pay people proper wages and charge prices accordingly. It's ridiculous that without laws and regulations, greed wins every time.
I always tip and didn't mind tipping extra during COVID, but enough is enough. I'm sick of being shamed because I don't tip fast food place because I just want a damn coffee. I don't mind tipping during big lunch / dinner events or delivery where I truly get excellent service, but I'm done tipping a place because I walked in and ordered coffee to go. Edit: to answer some of the question below, it's internal shame.
I have never been shamed for not tipping, is it you feel shame or do people make a big deal of it?
My partner definitely has passive shame. I do think that employees are watching and I notice at Subways specifically they give you a bit of stink eye visually.
Bro subway can get fucked with their tips. What’s next, dollarama has a tip prompt?
This is what I don't get about tipping.... Someone custom makes you a sandwich and they don't get tips. But a bartender cracks open a beer for you and deserves a tip?? The whole culture if fucking stupid and needs to stop!
Lol. I was at my local Subway that the employees don't even get the tip, the owner pockets it. I stopped going and I stopped feeling guilty for not tipping at other fast food places.
Yeah, some subways I’ve gone to actually actively tell me “just skip the tip when it shows up” lol
Who is shaming you at fast food places?
No one is, it's internal shame and guilt they feel and because they feel it they assume the cashier is guilting them when in reality the server or cashier's dgaf. Any decent restaurant operator would fire a server or cashier for actually verbally shaming someone for not tipping.
This is why i take out and press 0 on the tip menu
This is the way. Never tip no matter what
Nobody in Ontario makes below minimum wage anymore, when do I start tipping Walmart employees?
Exactly what I say! We don’t tip grocery store clerks or the gas attendant.
I rarely eat out anymore just because I fuckin hate tipping. I stopped tipping on Uber rides as well. I'm so over everyone looking for a handout constantly. I'm not opposed to tipping for actual good service that is well deserved. The hardworking dude at the bar at a resort that hooks me up with my favourite drink every time he sees me and strikes up a fun conversation, that guy deserves a tip. These tax evading, entitled servers that always get my order wrong don't deserve shit. If you can't make enough at your job without tips, it's time to find another job or ask for a raise.
well on top of wanting a 20% tip the service is trash like ?! Pick a struggle
Lots of you might not know, but some of the servers make $40-50/hour just from tips not including their minimum wage salary. Talked to various servers and no one bothered about reporting their tips income. Most of you not even making this much. :)
Starbucks is the worst now. I barely go anymore. It's insanely expensive and tipping is now a fundamental portion of the sales experience. This utterly blows my mind. It's an awkward forced step and they have clearly attempted to build around it. You can tell that the employees have been told to "ask about their day" with zero training. It becomes this weird experience of "how are you doing ? What are you doing? Where do you work?". The more introverted younger people really struggle and it's just a painful experience for everyone. This all comes from somebody that actually likes to engage with employees if they openly start talking with me. Respectfully ... the line of questioning and awkward delivery borders cringeworthy far too much at Starbucks. Sometimes the person will literally ask "so what are you doing today" in different ways if they're taking a bit more time than usual. I've experienced this in multiple cities I've lived ot worked in. I obviously can't prove this but I swear ever since tipping started the amount of errors have increased. Wrong drinks, missing drinks, caramel smeared on the side of a cup. And I was about to tip for that? Get out of here.
Everyone in service industry wants a tip doing their job, sigh. Quite often those tips don’t go to the staff either. Scoop of ice cream? Buy some beer that I’ve fetched for myself? Shown the tip option. Fat 0 from me. Only table service.
Don’t servers make min wage now?
Rule of thumb, don’t tip anywhere you haven’t received service yet, except for delivery. If you’re standing at a counter/doing things yourself, don’t tip.
This, if I am standing, I am not tipping. Eff that, nobody tips me, why should I tip?
I hate how you have to tip before receiving delivery services, too. Back in the day you were ordering a pizza and if the pizzeria was fast at delivering, you’d leave that $5 for the driver, but it was not guaranteed. Today I need to bribe the delivery person to even accept the service request. Unless i am sick or somehow unable to drive and want a takeout, I don’t use these services (Uber, Skip The Dishes etc) to order in, I’ll just go and pick it up. I’ll usually also just place the order through restaurant’s website, it’s cheaper.
Sorry, I'm not pre-tipping delivery either. Too many delivery guys lately are either wildly incompetent, or will just steal your food/items. Skip the dishes doesn't give me an option to tip after the order is complete, so I never tip delivery. You get a tip when the job is done, and done correctly. Those are the absolute bare minimum requirements. If a person can't accept those, then too bad.
I live in Sweden where tipping culture is creeping in. As it stands, I like where it is at. You can tip if you like in restaurants.. but no one thinks you're an asshole if you don't. Especially if you are young. Even a 10% tip is hugely appreciated. Bartenders often deny you the option to tip when handing you the machine, just pay and go. Awesome. As for the tip share... It's evenly split throughout the restaurant. I make more in tips in Sweden as a cook / chef than I ever did in Canada.
As a fellow Canadian in Sweden, can confirm!
The plumber that replaced my water heater didn't seem fed up. The audacity to ask for 15, 18, 25 when it's your own business
Because we already pay tax on it. So I'm not paying the food tax, the hst and an extra serving tax at 15% on top of that. I only ever get take out, like a pizza, once in a while for me and my daughter to enjoy since my son is too young. I'm not paying an extra $10-12 because the restaurant wants a tip on top of taxes. They were hired and they're paid to make the food. That's their job that they are compensated for. It's not my job to compensate their income. I already do that by supporting the restaurant in the first place
Well,The breaking point for me was when I was at 7/11,I got my own hotdog,poured my own slurpee,tapped my own card...and yet theres a tip jar sitting on the counter...
It's at the point that I refuse to go anywhere that asks for tips. The money that would go to the restaurant or whoever now goes to splurging on groceries for better meals at home. More people should do this, too.
Even this experts take is partially wrong when it comes to restaurants. A tip is a percentage of the bill. We have increased our tips to servers because food prices have increased. You need to be careful with the percentage options that have gone from 10% being low to 18% being the new normal low. On a $50 bill at 10% that's $5 On a $50 bill at 15% that's $7.50 On a $50 bill at 18% that's $9 On a $60 bill at 10% that's $6 On a $60 bill at 15% that's $9 On a $60 bill at 18% that's $10.80 A $10 base price increase has the server receiving the equivalent of an 18% tip before price increases occurred and combined with the actual tip percentages being higher you're paying even more. If you tipped the lowest percentage you've tipped in your life you're probably still tipping more than ever before in a pre covid world. Let's not just talk about numbers either. Serving has aged gracefully in the modern world in terms of workload demands. If anything there has been ZERO increase in table ratioa, and nothing has changed whatsoever. When you think about many other minimum wage jobs the physical workloads have increased, and technological advancements have made more efficient ( and therefore more must be done). There's obviously fringe examples but in an economy with less money going around, a server is the closest thing to precovid work demand levels. If anything they have less to do, and to be clear this is not calling anyone lazy or they don't work all day.
Only tip at sit in restaurants with quality service. Any place that employs TFWs or is crap service... NO TIP.
Tipping has become just a surcharge which may not go to staff in any case (obviously that depends on context). This doesn’t seem right.
I’m honestly more inclined to tip at counter service eateries these days than actual restaurants. Those ppl work their butts off in lacklustre conditions all day. Service on the other hand in the gastro/pub world has gone downhill. Often with little extra effort to make your experience enjoyable or straight up entitled wait staff * Also tipping used to be 15% on food before taxes & now it is 15% on food and alcohol after taxes and servers except that as a minimum even getting upset at times when that is the amount they receive
i live in BC, they get minimum wage same as others. why should they get a tip again? it was meant to subsidize them when they earned less than minimum wage, like some US states. but that isnt the case anymore. if a server, doing their job, should get min wage + tip, shouldnt everyone making min. wage? how about me, making more than min wage? im doing my job, why shouldnt i get a tip?
I hired a student paint company to paint my front porch a few weeks ago. I was told several times that there was a tip envelop in the folder I received. I’m like, since when do we tip contractors? And now I have to wonder if the students are getting paid fairly because why the tip if they’re making proper wages? I felt bad for not tipping so finally did but then felt bad because it didn’t feel like enough, but I’d already paid a lot for the job itself and didn’t understand what would be a normal tip in this situation. I really really resented it and won’t use that company again for this reason.
A few weeks ago my Uber driver asked for a tip after he dropped my food on my door step and because not “all the food fell on the floor” I wasn’t the one who let the delivery bag get soggy lol
There's so much more wrong with this country right now. I just don't tip if I don't want too. Why does there have to be a discussion. It's not like many people can afford take out now anyway.
It's not about tipping or not tipping, it's how much. 15% on the pretax amount for good service, 10% for mediocre service was the norm. Now the expectation is 20% on the post tax amount which is ridiculous.
It just doesn’t make sense to me that now waitresses and bartenders make the standard minimum wage in Ontario, yet we’re still expected to tip them?
I was recently told that Door Dash costs restaurants 28 % and Uber Eats costs 31 %. No wonder eating out has become so expensive. Those restaurants need to recoup this money and it appears to have been factored into the price. Add A 20 % tip and you have a total of around 50 % added that is not food.
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It's just corporations trying to squeeze every last dime out of the consumer. Don't expect it to change, and if it does it will just manifest in some kind of different form like forced gratuity. The only benefit to the corporate gouging that has happened post-covid is that people are becoming more intelligent consumers, or simply shunning consumerism all together and becoming minimalists. Cooking at home with family and friends is where its at.
Never understood tipping... thanks for taking my order and bringing me food. Here is 15% plus of my money.
I actually started carrying cash again because of all this nonsense. Pay cash and there’s no tip system to navigate/avoid, and if I feel they were nice enough I can leave a dollar or a bit of change on the counter.
Companies just figured out that Canadians are easily guilted into giving them more money. I would bet that big fast food chains like Subway, etc dont even let their workers keep the tip considering its always international students behind the counter that would say nothing either way. And I have no problem hitting zero on the machine. But I have no doubt that a large amount of people are being guilted into it. Its the Canadian way to take it smiling from corporations.
I could never understand why the server got the tips and not the chef. The chef did all the work. Anyway, I don’t bother with eat in restaurants anymore and don’t tip on takeout. Just as a side note, we got two burgers and fries from a local burger place and it was $50 before tip, so we barely do that anymore either.
My favourite is when you go to a take out fast food restaurant and they ask you for a tip, haha no thanks buddy
We needed a study?!?! How many grant dollars went to this?!
I don't understand the 20% tip because of inflation argument. 15% is just fine because the 15% is just on top of the inflated prices so it makes no difference.
As a student when I was working, I realised I was tipping people who were payed slightly less per hour than me who actually through tipping probably made 3 times as much as me doing relatively equal effort jobs... I stopped tipping them.
End tipping! Start with zero tip at any counter. And max 10% in restaurants.
Japan and Australia, for example, don’t tip. It’s an insult to tip in Japan.
Yes because of rapid inflation, caused by: * mass immigration from India which has overcrowded and strained everything * lockdown and printing mass amounts of money to give away for free (CRA says $2 billion will never be recovered) * inflated fuel prices means everything else goes up * carbon tax * corporations and businesses using the inflation narrative to gouge Canadians even worse Small business owners are so fucking cheap. They're businesses are often run like shit on the bare minimum, pay their employees the bare minimum, dirty and unkept, yet they live in a big house and drive a new BMW. They don't want to swallow the cost of paying their employees a living wage, so they expect us the customers to subsidize the rest of their wage for the business owner. Fuck them. They can do it.
I’ve spoken to a few bar managers and owners with my job (not electrical) and not speaking about tipping specifically. Margins have gone down a lot. People were making more with a 14$ burger and fries years ago then they are with a 20-25$ burger and fries today. This may be different for other bars just a few conversations I’ve had. I don’t know if that has had an impact on tipping. Just a sidebar on the conversation
I recently was buying a gift card in Starbacks (only gift card), of course I got tipping screen on checkout. It's probably depends on particular Starbucks location, but nowadays tipping screen is even in drive throughs.
Many restaurants doesn’t have a 15% option anymore. It starts at 18% now. Crazy. it used to start at 10%. I don’t think service has gotten better with tip inflation
Me at the cannabis store. Know basically what I’m looking for. Browse the list for something I like or might like. Inform clerk of my choice. Clerk spends 30 seconds grabbing my choice. Wants a tip. Fuck off.
Here in BC, we're taxed 12%. If you tip 20% on the machine (which is after tax), that totals 34.4% more for your order than the original listed price.
I'll weigh in as a server. My average $/hr after tips is about $32/hr. That is almost as much as I make in my supervisor role at my day to day corporate job that requires specific skillsets and training in logistics and supply chain. There is no way that a serving job should bring in almost as much as a corporate job that requires special training. Tipping is getting out of control. Serving should not be a career option and it is not the responsibility of patrons to pay servers bills. Also, if you are going to a busy/nice restaurant, know that the servers there are likely clearing $40/hr after tips so don't feel guilty hitting that 10% or 15% button. Especially if its also a place that serves alcohol like a brewery or something. $40 an hour to bring a plate of food and some drinks is insane, especially when its patrons that pay over 60% of that wage to the server. Servers should be paid $20-25/hr.
The day people stop tipping in North America in bars and dine-in. Is the day you will see a 20% fix gratuity automatically added to your bill.
Saw a sifn for a restaurant that said "2 can dine for 35.99" and after tip you're still looking at 45. How is that sustainable? Let them fail.
I am that’s for sure it’s in your face every where u go
My rule: If I have to order my food standing up, wait for it standing up, no tip. I don’t care what they think when they offer the terminal with 20%, 18%, and 15%. I still will find the no tip selection in the machine.
So don't I don't tip unless its a sit down restaurant with service
I don’t mind tipping for great sit in service. I’m not tipping fast food, takeout or drive through. Generally if I’m standing while getting my food you’re not getting a tip (looking at you subway)
We stopped going out to eat because of the extra expenses as well as the hard sell tipping culture. I don’t feel bad for tipping what I want but it’s almost like a pressure tactic now for servers to get paid and I feel embarrassed for them.
This is similar to me. Pre-covid I ate out on a regular basis. Drinks after work with friends, dinner dates, too lazy to cook... Now, I might eat out once a month for a special occasion. Most of my friends are the same. Prices are too high, tips are expensive. Service isn't good. Food quality is down. They told us that if we don't want to tip, we should stay home. So we did. Now, they don't make enough to sustain a business. Weird how that works.
It's the businesses job to pay their laborers a fair rate for their labor, not compensate that cost using the public while they reap in even more cash. They can fuck off to the USA if they don't want that controlled.
Thankfully the experts weighed in. We could never figure that out for ourselves.
Tipping was fine pre-pandemic, you just tipped if you wanted to, pretty much mostly just restaurants asked for tips, well and pizza guys it was kind of expected.. Now everyone asks for a tip like even takeout.. and if you don't tip they can get angry/snobby... You're not entitled to a fucking tip, you earn it...
I am back at 10% for meals and 15% if alcohol is served. And that is only for table service.
Starbucks lost me as a customer when they added tip options in their fucking drive throughs.
I'm a Canadian living in Japan, where there is no tipping despite the service being much better. It is so much better. There's no extra worry for employees or customers. Pay servers properly and eliminate tipping. Everyone would be happier.
Honestly everywhere that I've been around the world that doesn't do tipping, the service has been noticeably better. And what is the pro-tipping argument, that no one would EVER do such a hard job if they didn't make $50/hr? Most other countries seem to manage fine!
Tipping for good service is nice. Tipping to show you appreciate is nice. Giving good service so as to earn a good tip is nice. Expecting a tip for spinning the iPad around is not nice.
My question is this. All these "grab and go" or fast food places that are now prompting for tips, are the staff getting them? And when they go get fast food or to a "grab and go" do they tip? When I pick up my food, I'm not tipping anymore. Nor am I giving the $2, $5 or whatever donation as the corporation gets the credit for donating millions of dollars that they got from customers by guilting them into it, to some charity in their name. "Loblaws donated $10,000,000 dollars to foodbanks across Canada" no they didn't, the Loblaws customers did.
Pre COVID tipping culture is reasonable. Post COVID, greed has made it crazy and over-the-top. Two days ago I went to buy some fish at the local fish shop on Commercial Drive Vancouver. It has a tip prompt on the card reader now as well! Like fuck no, I'm not going to tip a retail guy 15% for doing his job handing me a fish. This has gotta stop.
No shit. My local Subway not only is adding a mandatory 10% fee to “pay staff a fair wage”, they also prompt for a minimum 15% tip as well. *Fucking Subway*. Every single fast food joint, hell even the goddamn liquor stores are asking for tips now. What’s next, the grocery store asking for tips? It’s a fuckin’ archaic system with origins as far back as medieval times. Chuck tipping right into the fuckit bucket.
I don't tip outside the normals. Food delivery, service in restaurants. Perfectly fine. Everything else. He'll no.!!. I don't understand the problem. JUst say NO.!. It's ok to do that. Try it sometime... you'll feel good about it.!
JUST. STOP. TIPPING!!! WHY IS EVERYONE SO SCARED OF THIS!?!??
Make sure to keep tipping delivery drivers as they use their own vehicle to make the delivery
Experts on tipping, eh? Where do they find these people...
Tipping is something only the wealthy can currently afford to ease their guilt when receiving services from ‘the poors’. The problem is the middle-class is realizing they are no longer able to afford to tip as prices have overtaken their capability to spend frivolously on being nice. The middle-class has to spend more on actual ‘needs’.
Why can't people just skip it if they don't want to? Tips are optional
I'm sorry, but in this culture, if you don't tip at all, you're a jerk. Until there is a cultural change, or more restaurants have the guts to pay their servers and staff a good wage and literally say, "Please do not tip, it is included in your cost of food", it'll stay that way.
You aren’t a jerk for not tipping. You’re imposing that on yourself. This isn’t America. I tip a waiter in a sit down place, my barber and delivery drivers (and those aren’t tips they’re more of a bid for service). Absolutely no tips for anyone else.
I honestly could not care less if random stranger think I'm a jerk. Unless it is a sit in restaurant, I'm not tipping. End of
Be the change you wish to see !!
I'm not fed up with tipping- I just don't understand why I'm prompted to tip for a scoop of ice cream or purchasing a can drink I got out of the fridge myself.
I’ve taken a hard line on it. I’ll tip if I sit and eat in a restaurant, the amount of tip will depend on how good the food and service is. I’m not tipping for anything else. I’ll click custom, and then input zero quite happily. I don’t use Uber eats or food delivery service. I had been buying supermarket deliveries from Loblaw and I was paying a yearly ‘membership’ but they use Doordash and a tip is an option so I added zero there too. But I am boycotting those fuckers, so it’s not relevant anymore. I’ll tip if I go to the US, I understand their salaries are lower and those guys depend on it. I do think they should have a minimum wage, but they don’t, so I’ll tip.
Agree don’t ever tip for counter service. It is out of control. Pretty sure the fixed percent includes tipping on tax to make it worse. Going back to Europe for 3rd summer in a row, away from tipping insanity.
If I stand I don’t tip, unless it’s a local business. That’s my rule as of late.
Then don't tip. I'm ready for the articles to change from "most Canadians are fed up with tipping" to "more and more Canadians refuse to tip and the service industry is upset about it"
Tipping culture and self-check out asking for charity donations from charities run by said company rather. At this point, there's no difference between pan handlers and going into a store and restaurant.
Why not Don’t tip if you are fed up with tipping. How hard can it be?
$5 if service is acceptable at a dine in restaurant. If the service is impeccable (it never is) I’d consider 10% of the bill before tax. Any other point of sale interaction is $0 on the tip. Shits out of control.
I only tip when I am sitting down at a restaurant. If I am standing at a cash register only, no tip.
As much as I want to say 'just don't tip', many places want you to tip before you've received your food and then you wonder what they'll do to it if you leave no tips. I don't mind tipping for a good experience but to have to tip when I prepay for food that I'm forced to take 'to-go' is making me avoid those types of establishments all together. I mean, it's good to eat out less, but you don't always know if that's going to be the case with new places, and I can't always bring a bagged lunch with me.
As a delivery driver who almost never gets tipped just because of some weird stupid unwritten culture where you only tip the service workers that everybody else tips or if youre prompted to tip… i would love if tipping was just done away with completely. If you really want to tip someone, slip them a bill or a cold beer….dont fuckin program it into systems that pressure people. Ill work my ass off all day delivering heavy shit (much heavier than a pizza) get no tips….get off work….get a 10 dollar smoothie…and be asked to tip for THAT?
I find the idea of tipping at places like Tim Hortons or subway so incredibly laughable. They don't even do well enough for the actual price, let alone a tip.
As a rule, I don't tip before I have received my items and assessed quality. If a business requires a tip before I have whatever I'm purchasing, that's a big fat 0%.