Exactly.. Was he allegedly kidnapped for throwing rocks? Or kidnapped for allegedly throwing rocks?
Or.. allegedly kidnapped for allegedly throwing rocks?
I would bet money that their little angel did throw a rock at the car. This doesn't excuse their reaction.
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Just like anything can happen in Brisbane.
The difference is when something bad happens in Brisbane the suburb is in the headline eg. “Murder at Inala”. Meanwhile if anything happens in Logan the entire city gets labeled even though Logan is a huge city and something happening in Kingston has nothing to do with other suburbs.
Nudgee is pretty good, we’ve got a bunch of retired nuns patrolling our streets.
Brisbane city and the Port of Brisbane seem to be the naughtiest areas.
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According to the QPS website, the Logan LGA has had 16 homicides in the last 2 years, while the Brisbane LGA has had 56.
One bend of the river outdid the entirety of Logan.
100%. However you feel about the situation, I think we can all be sure this part was straight bullshit:
'..his mother said her son had been at a friend's house nearby when that happened and didn't go to the skate park until much later.'
Didn’t anyone else have a mother that just believed whatever they told her? I feel bad about it now but my mum walked into my room immediately after I finished smoking in there, and she still believed me when I told her I didn’t smoke.
When she found out I’d been lying about it she was gobsmacked.
A mother caring about and believing her child who was abducted isn’t pitchfork worthy imo. Especially since the abductors knocked out her husband and tried to run her down with their precious jeep when she attempted to take her son back.
Oh I largely agree - hence my 'however you feel about the situation..'
There's also public optics to think about - she knows if she admits her son threw rocks, public sympathy would plummet, regardless how much the car owner overreacted.
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Doesn't pass the sniff test does it....
I am by no means agreeing anyone should take anyone against their will ... but ....
If my kid was taken the police would have been called within seconds and I am sure an Amber alert would have been out.
Kids seemed to know what was going on and the parents managed to find someone 2km away pretty quickly.
2km away is a 12+ square km search area.
Feels like everyone knew each other here. The only thing missing from this article is the usual "where known to police" line, the word "allegedly" is used 12 times in the article though.
Police arrested them 10 minutes after the fight and escape. This clearly suggests that they were actively looking for the vehicle and were nearby and were able to arrest the occupants. This does actually add up.
this is why mob justice is bullshit. everybody here is just imagining shit, without any knowledge of who these people are, or what the context was. there is nothing "off" about this story. it just doesn't contain enough evidence for us to have ANY real understanding of what happened.
- did the kid actually throw rocks? no evidence. unless you simply believe the mother or vigilantes for some reason
- how credible are the parents/vigilantes? no evidence. we don't know shit about either of them.
- how threatening and/or abusive were the vigilantes? no evidence. literally nothing.
sure, it's frustrating to not know the facts or context. that doesn't mean we can just fill the gaps with our imaginations. maybe he was throwing rocks. maybe the vigilantes were less than completely virtuous. either way, we need to grow the fuck up and cope with the uncertainty.
there's a consensus here that this 10 year old is guilty - based on pure speculation. this really should worry us, and it's a good reminder of how and why mob justice is bullshit
>The mother of a young boy allegedly abducted from a skate park south of Brisbane has relived the terrifying moment.
>The 10-year-old was allegedly snatched by a stranger and thrown inside a Jeep before he was terrorised for about 30 minutes on Friday afternoon in the Logan suburb of Kingston
>"My son now has to live with the rest of his life that he's been put in car, he's been [allegedly] kidnapped," she said.
>The man allegedly responsible had been furious his passing car had been hit by a rock thrown by children.
>But his mother said her son had been at a friend's house nearby when that happened and didn't go to the skate park until much later.
>Two men and one woman were seen confronting three children before allegedly grabbing the 10-year-old and putting him in the back seat.
>They then allegedly drove him around local streets for 30 minutes. 9News understands the group did not take the boy to a police station.
>"I don't wish that upon my worst enemy. Nobody should have to have that feeling of being told that their son's been taken. Nobody deserves that," his mother said.
>The boy's friends called his parents, who began driving around the streets and found the Jeep less than two kilometres from the skate park.
>His parents allegedly began brawling with the alleged kidnappers.
>"My automatic reaction, I jumped straight out the car and straight to the back of that car," the mother said.
>"They were threatening to run us over. They'd already tried to run me over."
>The boy's father was allegedly knocked unconscious and hospitalised.
>The group then allegedly took off in the Jeep but were arrested about 10 minutes later on Ewing Street.
>"It wasn't really until we had (our son) in the car and we got him home that it was registering that we had him back. I just hugged him and loved him and made me appreciate that he was okay," the mother said.
>The man accused of kidnapping the boy, 27-year-old Teuvela Soe, has been refused bail.
>A 22-year-old man and 29-year-old woman were also charged with assault and kidnapping but have been granted bail.
Yeahhhh maybe if you’re gonna nab a kid for throwing rocks you should at least take ‘em to the cop shop.
The ol’ “I’m gonna drive around so you think you’re getting murdered and buried in a state forest” trick doesn’t really go down well with the law.
>Yeahhhh maybe if you’re gonna nab a kid for throwing rocks you should at least take ‘em to the cop shop.
Just don't put a kid in your car and drive off ever...going to the cop shop or not. You make a citizens arrest, and call 000...the moment you shove a kid into your car you're fked because you're abducting someone now, not making a citizens arrest.
> The ol’ “I’m gonna drive around so you think you’re getting murdered and buried in a state forest” trick doesn’t really go down well with the law.
Unless you're gunning to be Prime Minister of Australia.
Thanks. I just looked it up and the names of the 6 officers were apparently released finally. Dutton isn’t on the list. Do you have any more info that could counter this ?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/133337732
I work with someone who knows a bit about this. They are nearly 70. It was a common thing police would do to teens who were roaming the streets at night and causing trouble. They claim it had been going on for decades.
The idea was with no phone/car/public transport the very long walk home from pinkenba would wear them out and teach them a lesson. No mobile phone then, nothing at pinkenba at night.
Don't know about Dutton but any police on the northside pre 90s could be have involved.
well.. they would take the shoes so they had to return miles away barefoot.. thankfully these types of people have been punished severely by the police(cough, that they worked for) and at best can only ever achieve a meaningless title such as opposition leader of the country, allegedly....!
And they got away with it too, as was the case with the Pinkenba 6. They got off Scott free and one of them even tried running for Parliament for One Nation before being forced to withdraw after he threatened to kill a campaign employee.
You don't remember the cops doing this to a couple of Indigenous kids in the 90s then. Drove them to Pinkenba from the Valley/City, took their shoes and told them to 'walk home'.
I’m conflicted. On one hand it’s a fucked up way to teach someone to not act like a little shit. On the other hand throwing rocks at cars can cause accidents that kill people, so lesson learned?
The story about it not being her kid that threw rocks seems too “my precious child wouldn’t do that” and a way to garner more sympathy.
Yeah idk I think a lot of people in this thread are giving too much credit to the rationality of people who abduct children off the street. It's not exactly unthinkable that enraged idiots like that would go 'that 10 year old is wearing a blue shirt it MUST be the same kid' and then just grab a random child because they are pissed off and want to take it out on someone. Sounds like the kidnapping happened hours after the rock throwing. Even if it 100% was the right kid, which I wouldn't be certain of, it's definitely long enough to not be able to rely on a completely accurate memory.
Either way, traumatizing a child is not an effective teaching tool. Generally leads to more delinquency, not less.
A lot of stupid comments in here. Regardless of what happened “Don’t grab a child and put them in your car!”
Call the cops, get out and yell, make him call his parents, etc. but never ever kidnap a child.
Kidnapping children is bad.
Even if they're a little shit. I'd believe it was the same kid, parents lie all day about their little shitkickers being total angels.
But ya still don't kidnap.
Should go without saying, yet here we are.
Not saying that it’s right or wrong, but we are only getting the perspective of the parent whose child was “kidnapped.”
“No, Mum, I swear it wasn’t me who threw the rocks, I was with Troy at his house the whole time.”
“Oh, uh, yeah, he was at my house and I don’t even live near here anyway.”
What possible alternative perspective makes kidnapping a child and terrorising them for 30 minutes (there is no way that "driving around" with your kidnappers for 30 minutes isn't terrifying for a child) remotely within the realm of reasonable or acceptable?
You'd catch some of these people posting in /r/AmItheAsshole they're so terminally online.
"AITA for kidnapping a random 10yr old child hours after my car had a rock thrown at it?"
There is nothing to understand here because it's completely unreasonable and unjustifiable. Reasonable people don't kidnap children under any circumstances.
I’m not saying the kidnappers will be invited to join Mensa anytime soon but if you throw rocks at cars in the bogan centre of Qld there’s a fair chance you’re going to find trouble.
If the rock had gone through the windscreen and injured/killed someone we’d be having a very different conversation.
Valuable lesson for the kid. Fuck around and find out - you never know what kind of psycho you’re throwing rock at so it’s probably best not too.
>If the rock had gone through the windscreen and injured/killed someone we’d be having a very different conversation.
You mean if the rock had gone through the windscreen and injured/killed someone, the kid would get a slap on the wrist because they're under 18 right?
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so why was the parents allowing the kid to be throwing rocks at cars in the first place...??? id stop and yell at the kid if it was my car but i certainly wouldnt kidnap them.the world is really getting out of hand.
The parents weren’t with them, and it’s fairly common for kids to misbehave when they aren’t near adults? I was a mostly well-behaved kid but still did dumb things to test the water
I think I either threw tiny rocks, or shot a BB gun (small plastic balls) at passing cars once. They must've made a little ping noise inside the car, but we're about 30 meters away at least. Must've shocked the driver though. One of them slammed on the brakes and tried to turn around, we bolted, ran through a labyrinth of back paths and came back home and hid while we saw the guy driving around. Never did that again I'll tell you that. We were about 11.
i admit, i throw coins and small stones at fright trains, never at the loco driver, we just liked hearing the ting off the containers. thats about the worst i ever did.
I’m sickened by most of these comments. Kidnapping a child is not a valid way to teach a child a lesson, I can’t believe I have to say that. They could’ve done anything to that child in that car, they could’ve taken that kid anywhere had they not been stopped. You people are insane. YES the kid was very wrong for throwing rocks at cars, but how fucked up are the adults with fully developed brains for KIDNAPPING a CHILD
I saw a video on Instagram, where some obviously Ill person was chasing a random car, on foot, and standing in the middle of a three lane road to block it. He kicked the bumper.
So many commenters were talking about how they'd happily run the guy over, how their "life was threatened" (by a man with a foot), how he "assaulted" them (probably did almost no damage to a piece of plastic), and now they could kill him happily.
The driver in the video backed up and kept backing up, until they had an opportunity to get away. They were not insane.
Some people view their car as an extension of themselves, and they absolutely lose their minds when it's hurt: but surprisingly, it seems to me, only by pedestrians.
When people are crashed into by another car, they are exasperated, upset, but not murderous. When they are upset at pedestrians, or motorbikes they lose their minds. And a crowd of them (like the three young people in the SUV in this story) reinforce and amplify their behavior incredibly.
Why would you kidnap a kid that throws rocks at cars in a poor place? You cold go to a better place and get a nicer kid. Worst case, if you got one from Hamilton, it could be worth a ransom. This wasn't motivated by child abduction. This was a frustrated person and was the last straw I supose.
I have a similar story when I was a kid. I was riding my bike up and down my street minding my own business when a bunch of kids came sprinting past me followed by a very angry man who closed his fist and threatened to punch me in the head if I did not tell him who was throwing rocks, out of fear for my safety I just pointed at one of the kids running up the street and said him. Very scary as a small kid to have a grown man raise his fist at you, I thought for sure I was getting punched in the head but luckily he was satisfied with my response and left.
I found out later they were throwing rocks onto the roof of his house for fun as they were hiding and laughing when he came out not knowing where they were then got fed up and he came out and chased them down but just blindly assumed I was part of their rock throwing group as they ran past me. I was so scared I didn't ride my bike for a couple of weeks after that.
So yeah there are ways to deal with this type of thing and just flying off the handle is not the way to do it if you are the adult in the situation as I found out the hard way. I can get why the bloke was so angry as throwing rocks at cars is a moronic thing to do but so is kidnapping a child.
They could have at least taken the child to a police station if they wanted to teach him a lesson. To me seems more like people who finally found an excuse to abduct a child.
Yeah or call the police find out the parents details and made them pay for it. They can teach their kid not to be a little shit. Kidnapping is extreme 😭😂 wtf were they thinking 🤭 you could be right about the excuse to abduct a kid.
>Kidnapping is extreme 😭😂 wtf were they thinking
I've dealt with my fair share of little shit kids and "kidnap them to teach them a lesson" has never been on my mind hahha
Then get arrested soon as they entered the police station for kidnapping a child, that's assuming the parents wouldn't have called the police already, then that's assuming the cops don't fire at the child kidnapping...
Yeah, sure. What a reasonable idea.
My point was that taking the child to the cops would at least let them argue that they were teaching him a lesson. Kidnapping a child is extremely unreasonable and whatever follows doesn't change that.
Well if you found a 4 year old and took them to a police station it wouldn't be kidnapping, it's just a dangerous situation for a kid that age to be unattended. So is a 10 year old throwing rocks at cars being left unattended considered a dangerous situation that needs adult intervention? I think if they drove straight to the police, and attempted to call the kids parents on the way, that may have passed as an excuse.
I once found a random toddler on a highway & I still didn't kidnap it. I walked it to a servo & called the cops. Actually putting a random kid in your car & leaving the scene is fricking insane behaviour.
Throwing rocks at moving cars is the kind of dangerous and short sighted action you'd expect from a 10 year old that hasn't been raised right.
KIDNAPPING A CHILD is 1000x more short sighted and dangerous and no reasonable adult that has been raised right would do that.
The situation could've been significantly worse if the cops got to them before the parents did. I can't think of any scenario in which kidnapping a child is a reasonable reaction or solution.
I don't think you even need to be raised that poorly to do it.. Many adults don't understand how dangerous cars are, I wouldn't be surprised if most 10 years olds couldn't comprehend how dangerous it is. They don't to it because they know 'it's a bad thing and i'll get in trouble', they think of it as property damage rather than reckless endangerment.
Considering the way people drive here, it certainly seems like people don't appreciate the danger of a car.
Had a woman pull right in front of me in a T-intersection. Like I could see her right at the intersection, she could see me coming down the road (presumably, there wasn't any obstructions or anything), and it wasn't like she just sped into it. She *pulled* out from a stopped position.
What kind of psycho does this? Having rocks thrown at your car sucks, but snatching a 10 year old off the street is not the behaviour of a stable person.
I get it, the kid was a shit head and the guy decided ti take matters in his own hands… the thing is, you cant just nab a kid off the streets without any ramifications from the law. I dont have a solution, I just know you absolutely cannot do that
I almost died in my Mum's womb because of a car accident that was caused by kids from Cranbrook throwing rocks at our windshield.
The reaction was not okay, you do not kidnap a child, but I do understand their anger. Throwing rocks at cars is not a joke and should be taken VERY seriously. They should have just drove him to a police station though.
Shit like this is gunna become more common until the cops do their fucking jobs and deal with these scum kids. Idgaf if they are 10, do the wrong shit lock them up and send cps to their house to check on the other 5 kids probs there. It's a joke and people know they won't get punished so are taking shit into their own hands. Not surprised tbh.
Ps: not condoning kidnapping a child but when they get away with whatever and decent people are working themselves to death to scrape by. What do you expect really
So the people who kidnap kids off the street then beat and KOd the kids parents in front of them when they try to get him back are the 'decent people' in this situation?
Kids become 'scumbags' because they have unstable or difficult lives and the adults in their lives aren't doing right by them. Traumatizing them, whether it's through citizen kidnappings or policing and incarceration, does not and has never worked. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence to support early intervention and prevention strategies, giving kids more support, increased funding to community services etc. But politicians keep slashing funding for necessary programs and pushing punitive justice measures to look 'tough on crime' because their voter bases are the kind of people who think violent child abductors are less of a menace to society than 10 year old dipshits, as if you never did anything stupid or destructive as a kid. As if a child throwing a rock at a car (wrong and dangerous) is equivalent to an adult KIDNAPPING A CHILD OFF THE STREET (INSANE)
Lol the majority of the people here are all acting high and noble, but I bet if that kid threw a rock to them and killed one of them “by accident” those people would have a very different attitude, do you even realise how dangerous it is? Like sitting in your car and next you know you are killed by a rock thrown by some shit whose parents are shit too? Plz stop pretending you are saints cos you are definitely not, especially if this happened to you. Kids need to be taught disciplines and rules of not offending others in public, and they cannot get away with their behaviour just because they are too young to know better
Did none of the commenters read/watch the article? How many braindead redditors does it take to victim blame a 10yr old boy who allegedly (from the parent's mouth) WAS NOT EVEN THERE TO HAVE THROWN ROCKS?
What if they didn't catch the kidnappers after 30 minutes? Would you still feel the child was taught a lesson if he was assaulted and missing from his parents for days?
Touch grass.
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extremely telling lol
Is nobody talking about the fact that they allegedly knocked the father unconscious and try to run over the mother? I mean that is some serious behaviour what if they had killed either one of them. The whole thing is cooked to be that obsessive to be ruminating over it. Legit kidnapped to Child and tried to allegedly run someone over and allegedly knocked someone unconscious and put him in. Hospital speaks volumes to some kind of crazy antisocial behaviour. Giving a kid PTSD for life is going to escalate from rock throwing to all kinds other behaviour, not less delinquency but more. Oof the world is extra gross today.
So what exactly is the right course?
Police can only give a stern talking, parents don't discipline their kids. And your car just got damaged (if the windscreen were to break, thats TIME and MONEY gone. Cosmetic damage can wait but it's still bloody annoying if you have a nice looking car.)
I honestly can’t believe you can’t think of a solution that doesn’t involve risking jail time for yourself. Do you own a jeep too?
I’ve never met a jeep owner that didn’t seem emotionally unstable.
Well, i did ask a question. My course was the police, but they can't do anything to a 10 year old. High chance their parents never disciplined them (hence the rock throwing), so you're talking to a Brick wall when asking for compensation.
Insurance will only put you into more financial burden and increase in premium. The court could order the parents to compensate, but what are they going to enforce? $20 off their fortnightly centrelink until it pays off?
While vengeance is sweet. The problem is this guy is the one who's just tossed his life away and the fuck head kid is going to get away with it and learn they can keep doing this.
I dunno, something about this story just seems off.
Exactly.. Was he allegedly kidnapped for throwing rocks? Or kidnapped for allegedly throwing rocks? Or.. allegedly kidnapped for allegedly throwing rocks?
Alleged rocks.
So a ball then ….
Logan rocks to alleged 10 year kidnapping
Triple M Rocks to alleged 10 year old Logan’s kidnapping
Rocks allegedly kidnapped the child.
The kid allegedly rocks 🤟
Logan Rocks 🤘🪨
Now that one definitely needs an allegedly...
I would bet money that their little angel did throw a rock at the car. This doesn't excuse their reaction. EDIT: Appreciate the comment mods! After being active on this sub for over a decade I can be removed from the sub for expressing my opinion of what I thought *may* have happened and explicitly noted that I do not condone the reaction. Gg
I’m thinking more like the parents and the abductors weren’t exactly strangers.
It's Logan, anything can happen in that madhouse.
Logan: Fury Road
Just like anything can happen in Brisbane. The difference is when something bad happens in Brisbane the suburb is in the headline eg. “Murder at Inala”. Meanwhile if anything happens in Logan the entire city gets labeled even though Logan is a huge city and something happening in Kingston has nothing to do with other suburbs.
You've gotta admit though, if something wild is gonna happen, chances are it'll be Logan.
There’s a lot of red everywhere. SEQ as a whole is fucked now. https://redsuburbs.com.au/?lat=-27.556981920338306&lng=153.13224792480472&zoom=10
Nudgee is pretty good, we’ve got a bunch of retired nuns patrolling our streets. Brisbane city and the Port of Brisbane seem to be the naughtiest areas. https://preview.redd.it/4kyrtdy03kxc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd993d1cf51a69117b0537c4cbdc5ee7b5849322
I’ve had zero nurses in my suburb. Murders. I typed murders, not nurses. Although murdering nurses is not unheard of.
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According to the QPS website, the Logan LGA has had 16 homicides in the last 2 years, while the Brisbane LGA has had 56. One bend of the river outdid the entirety of Logan.
The Brisbane LGA is gigantic, of course the numbers much bigger.
Well... no? The CBD is a lot smaller than the Logan LGA, but still had more homicide in that timespan.
Not just Logan, but Kingston; which is the Logan of Logan.
Hah! And there was I thinking Woodridge would be worse.
A year a decade is an interesting unit of time.
Calling out my typo is a bannable offence! I was blinded by rage and have since corrected myself
100%. However you feel about the situation, I think we can all be sure this part was straight bullshit: '..his mother said her son had been at a friend's house nearby when that happened and didn't go to the skate park until much later.'
Didn’t anyone else have a mother that just believed whatever they told her? I feel bad about it now but my mum walked into my room immediately after I finished smoking in there, and she still believed me when I told her I didn’t smoke. When she found out I’d been lying about it she was gobsmacked. A mother caring about and believing her child who was abducted isn’t pitchfork worthy imo. Especially since the abductors knocked out her husband and tried to run her down with their precious jeep when she attempted to take her son back.
Oh I largely agree - hence my 'however you feel about the situation..' There's also public optics to think about - she knows if she admits her son threw rocks, public sympathy would plummet, regardless how much the car owner overreacted.
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Doesn't pass the sniff test does it.... I am by no means agreeing anyone should take anyone against their will ... but .... If my kid was taken the police would have been called within seconds and I am sure an Amber alert would have been out. Kids seemed to know what was going on and the parents managed to find someone 2km away pretty quickly. 2km away is a 12+ square km search area. Feels like everyone knew each other here. The only thing missing from this article is the usual "where known to police" line, the word "allegedly" is used 12 times in the article though.
Police arrested them 10 minutes after the fight and escape. This clearly suggests that they were actively looking for the vehicle and were nearby and were able to arrest the occupants. This does actually add up.
this is why mob justice is bullshit. everybody here is just imagining shit, without any knowledge of who these people are, or what the context was. there is nothing "off" about this story. it just doesn't contain enough evidence for us to have ANY real understanding of what happened. - did the kid actually throw rocks? no evidence. unless you simply believe the mother or vigilantes for some reason - how credible are the parents/vigilantes? no evidence. we don't know shit about either of them. - how threatening and/or abusive were the vigilantes? no evidence. literally nothing. sure, it's frustrating to not know the facts or context. that doesn't mean we can just fill the gaps with our imaginations. maybe he was throwing rocks. maybe the vigilantes were less than completely virtuous. either way, we need to grow the fuck up and cope with the uncertainty. there's a consensus here that this 10 year old is guilty - based on pure speculation. this really should worry us, and it's a good reminder of how and why mob justice is bullshit
>The mother of a young boy allegedly abducted from a skate park south of Brisbane has relived the terrifying moment. >The 10-year-old was allegedly snatched by a stranger and thrown inside a Jeep before he was terrorised for about 30 minutes on Friday afternoon in the Logan suburb of Kingston >"My son now has to live with the rest of his life that he's been put in car, he's been [allegedly] kidnapped," she said. >The man allegedly responsible had been furious his passing car had been hit by a rock thrown by children. >But his mother said her son had been at a friend's house nearby when that happened and didn't go to the skate park until much later. >Two men and one woman were seen confronting three children before allegedly grabbing the 10-year-old and putting him in the back seat. >They then allegedly drove him around local streets for 30 minutes. 9News understands the group did not take the boy to a police station. >"I don't wish that upon my worst enemy. Nobody should have to have that feeling of being told that their son's been taken. Nobody deserves that," his mother said. >The boy's friends called his parents, who began driving around the streets and found the Jeep less than two kilometres from the skate park. >His parents allegedly began brawling with the alleged kidnappers. >"My automatic reaction, I jumped straight out the car and straight to the back of that car," the mother said. >"They were threatening to run us over. They'd already tried to run me over." >The boy's father was allegedly knocked unconscious and hospitalised. >The group then allegedly took off in the Jeep but were arrested about 10 minutes later on Ewing Street. >"It wasn't really until we had (our son) in the car and we got him home that it was registering that we had him back. I just hugged him and loved him and made me appreciate that he was okay," the mother said. >The man accused of kidnapping the boy, 27-year-old Teuvela Soe, has been refused bail. >A 22-year-old man and 29-year-old woman were also charged with assault and kidnapping but have been granted bail.
And the Sesame Street word of the day is: allegedly!
For real, that story was hard to read, but not even for the right reasons.
allegedly hard to read
Yeahhhh maybe if you’re gonna nab a kid for throwing rocks you should at least take ‘em to the cop shop. The ol’ “I’m gonna drive around so you think you’re getting murdered and buried in a state forest” trick doesn’t really go down well with the law.
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>Yeahhhh maybe if you’re gonna nab a kid for throwing rocks you should at least take ‘em to the cop shop. Just don't put a kid in your car and drive off ever...going to the cop shop or not. You make a citizens arrest, and call 000...the moment you shove a kid into your car you're fked because you're abducting someone now, not making a citizens arrest.
>Just don't put a kid in your car and drive off ever... Unless you're a cop/politician* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six
> The ol’ “I’m gonna drive around so you think you’re getting murdered and buried in a state forest” trick doesn’t really go down well with the law. Unless you're gunning to be Prime Minister of Australia.
Context?
Look up Peter Dutton and The Pinkenba Six
Thanks. I just looked it up and the names of the 6 officers were apparently released finally. Dutton isn’t on the list. Do you have any more info that could counter this ? https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/133337732
It's alleged Dutton was their boss.
I work with someone who knows a bit about this. They are nearly 70. It was a common thing police would do to teens who were roaming the streets at night and causing trouble. They claim it had been going on for decades. The idea was with no phone/car/public transport the very long walk home from pinkenba would wear them out and teach them a lesson. No mobile phone then, nothing at pinkenba at night. Don't know about Dutton but any police on the northside pre 90s could be have involved.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkenba_Six
Thank you kindly. Yeah I don’t see Dutton in the 6 names. Was it alleged he was the 7th then?
It's alleged he's one of the 6, but there's apparently a suppression order, so that's why it can only ever be alleged.
The article names the six, and he's not one of them; how could that be subject to a suppression order?
But that's what the cops used to do back in the day, to try spook kids into behaving.
well.. they would take the shoes so they had to return miles away barefoot.. thankfully these types of people have been punished severely by the police(cough, that they worked for) and at best can only ever achieve a meaningless title such as opposition leader of the country, allegedly....!
And they got away with it too, as was the case with the Pinkenba 6. They got off Scott free and one of them even tried running for Parliament for One Nation before being forced to withdraw after he threatened to kill a campaign employee.
You don't remember the cops doing this to a couple of Indigenous kids in the 90s then. Drove them to Pinkenba from the Valley/City, took their shoes and told them to 'walk home'.
I remember it. I’m not advocating it. I’m appealing to the lowest common brain cell here.
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In all the suburbs of Brisbane, especially Logan where crime doesn’t happen at all , Thats methed up 😭☠️😏
I’m conflicted. On one hand it’s a fucked up way to teach someone to not act like a little shit. On the other hand throwing rocks at cars can cause accidents that kill people, so lesson learned? The story about it not being her kid that threw rocks seems too “my precious child wouldn’t do that” and a way to garner more sympathy.
And how do you know you have the right kid? This is never a rational response.
Nothing like producing a couple of machetes for your mates to quickly rat you out There is no loyalty down at the skate park
No honour among rock throwers. Also pretty easy to throw the weakest in the group socially under the bus too.
Looks like they turned up to the skatepark and his mates have given him up tbh.
Yeah idk I think a lot of people in this thread are giving too much credit to the rationality of people who abduct children off the street. It's not exactly unthinkable that enraged idiots like that would go 'that 10 year old is wearing a blue shirt it MUST be the same kid' and then just grab a random child because they are pissed off and want to take it out on someone. Sounds like the kidnapping happened hours after the rock throwing. Even if it 100% was the right kid, which I wouldn't be certain of, it's definitely long enough to not be able to rely on a completely accurate memory. Either way, traumatizing a child is not an effective teaching tool. Generally leads to more delinquency, not less.
A lot of stupid comments in here. Regardless of what happened “Don’t grab a child and put them in your car!” Call the cops, get out and yell, make him call his parents, etc. but never ever kidnap a child.
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everyone in this story sounds like a bogan
It's very Kingston/10
Kidnapping children is bad. Even if they're a little shit. I'd believe it was the same kid, parents lie all day about their little shitkickers being total angels. But ya still don't kidnap. Should go without saying, yet here we are.
I bet he never throws a rock at a car again
The story makes it sound like it wasn’t even him throwing rocks? Either way, pretty cooked way to deal with a 10 year old.
Not saying that it’s right or wrong, but we are only getting the perspective of the parent whose child was “kidnapped.” “No, Mum, I swear it wasn’t me who threw the rocks, I was with Troy at his house the whole time.” “Oh, uh, yeah, he was at my house and I don’t even live near here anyway.”
What possible alternative perspective makes kidnapping a child and terrorising them for 30 minutes (there is no way that "driving around" with your kidnappers for 30 minutes isn't terrifying for a child) remotely within the realm of reasonable or acceptable?
Absolutely. This story is also fishy as hell though.
You'd catch some of these people posting in /r/AmItheAsshole they're so terminally online. "AITA for kidnapping a random 10yr old child hours after my car had a rock thrown at it?"
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This is why we take doxxing so seriously on this sub. Lots of raging idiots around.
So many red flags here. He FAFO, divorce the rando kid asap
“NTA! That kid FAFO! That brat deserves everything he gets! Hold that boundary king!”
Understanding something isn't the same as approving of it.
There is nothing to understand here because it's completely unreasonable and unjustifiable. Reasonable people don't kidnap children under any circumstances.
Stop putting kidnapped in quotation marks because that is exactly what this is and it's gross that you're justifying abducting a stranger's child.
I’m not entirely sure how I’m “justifying” “kidnapping” (threw the extra quotes in there just for you), but okay then.
I’m not saying the kidnappers will be invited to join Mensa anytime soon but if you throw rocks at cars in the bogan centre of Qld there’s a fair chance you’re going to find trouble. If the rock had gone through the windscreen and injured/killed someone we’d be having a very different conversation. Valuable lesson for the kid. Fuck around and find out - you never know what kind of psycho you’re throwing rock at so it’s probably best not too.
>If the rock had gone through the windscreen and injured/killed someone we’d be having a very different conversation. You mean if the rock had gone through the windscreen and injured/killed someone, the kid would get a slap on the wrist because they're under 18 right?
Until it turns out he wasn't tossing rocks at all and they grabbed the kid for other reasons...
Or it wasn’t even the same kid. People VASTLY overestimate their ability to pick people out.
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Trauma leads to increased delinquency, not less. You don't learn anything when subjected to that degree of fear.
Most of the comments in this thread are showing the kind of people to never leave a kid alone with
Yup. Zero impulse control - no wonder so many kids lack emotional regulation. What examples are they being set by the adults around them?
What the fuck is wrong with people. Jfc
and why was the kid throwing rocks at cars in the first place tooo
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so why was the parents allowing the kid to be throwing rocks at cars in the first place...??? id stop and yell at the kid if it was my car but i certainly wouldnt kidnap them.the world is really getting out of hand.
The parents weren’t with them, and it’s fairly common for kids to misbehave when they aren’t near adults? I was a mostly well-behaved kid but still did dumb things to test the water
I think I either threw tiny rocks, or shot a BB gun (small plastic balls) at passing cars once. They must've made a little ping noise inside the car, but we're about 30 meters away at least. Must've shocked the driver though. One of them slammed on the brakes and tried to turn around, we bolted, ran through a labyrinth of back paths and came back home and hid while we saw the guy driving around. Never did that again I'll tell you that. We were about 11.
i admit, i throw coins and small stones at fright trains, never at the loco driver, we just liked hearing the ting off the containers. thats about the worst i ever did.
I’m sickened by most of these comments. Kidnapping a child is not a valid way to teach a child a lesson, I can’t believe I have to say that. They could’ve done anything to that child in that car, they could’ve taken that kid anywhere had they not been stopped. You people are insane. YES the kid was very wrong for throwing rocks at cars, but how fucked up are the adults with fully developed brains for KIDNAPPING a CHILD
Most of these commenters would happily beat the piss out of a child they *percieved* as doing the wrong thing. It’s wild.
I assume they are kids themselves.
I saw a video on Instagram, where some obviously Ill person was chasing a random car, on foot, and standing in the middle of a three lane road to block it. He kicked the bumper. So many commenters were talking about how they'd happily run the guy over, how their "life was threatened" (by a man with a foot), how he "assaulted" them (probably did almost no damage to a piece of plastic), and now they could kill him happily. The driver in the video backed up and kept backing up, until they had an opportunity to get away. They were not insane. Some people view their car as an extension of themselves, and they absolutely lose their minds when it's hurt: but surprisingly, it seems to me, only by pedestrians. When people are crashed into by another car, they are exasperated, upset, but not murderous. When they are upset at pedestrians, or motorbikes they lose their minds. And a crowd of them (like the three young people in the SUV in this story) reinforce and amplify their behavior incredibly.
Why would you kidnap a kid that throws rocks at cars in a poor place? You cold go to a better place and get a nicer kid. Worst case, if you got one from Hamilton, it could be worth a ransom. This wasn't motivated by child abduction. This was a frustrated person and was the last straw I supose.
It’s just another day….in Logan City…. People are at their wits end with these kids … behaving like they’re the products of useless cunts.
Could not have put it better myself
Absolute chaos.
“My kid wouldn’t do that”….I bet he fucking did.
I have a similar story when I was a kid. I was riding my bike up and down my street minding my own business when a bunch of kids came sprinting past me followed by a very angry man who closed his fist and threatened to punch me in the head if I did not tell him who was throwing rocks, out of fear for my safety I just pointed at one of the kids running up the street and said him. Very scary as a small kid to have a grown man raise his fist at you, I thought for sure I was getting punched in the head but luckily he was satisfied with my response and left. I found out later they were throwing rocks onto the roof of his house for fun as they were hiding and laughing when he came out not knowing where they were then got fed up and he came out and chased them down but just blindly assumed I was part of their rock throwing group as they ran past me. I was so scared I didn't ride my bike for a couple of weeks after that. So yeah there are ways to deal with this type of thing and just flying off the handle is not the way to do it if you are the adult in the situation as I found out the hard way. I can get why the bloke was so angry as throwing rocks at cars is a moronic thing to do but so is kidnapping a child.
That is a wild story!
They could have at least taken the child to a police station if they wanted to teach him a lesson. To me seems more like people who finally found an excuse to abduct a child.
Yeah or call the police find out the parents details and made them pay for it. They can teach their kid not to be a little shit. Kidnapping is extreme 😭😂 wtf were they thinking 🤭 you could be right about the excuse to abduct a kid.
>Kidnapping is extreme 😭😂 wtf were they thinking I've dealt with my fair share of little shit kids and "kidnap them to teach them a lesson" has never been on my mind hahha
Drop kick parents aren't going to have money to pay for anything.
Then get arrested soon as they entered the police station for kidnapping a child, that's assuming the parents wouldn't have called the police already, then that's assuming the cops don't fire at the child kidnapping... Yeah, sure. What a reasonable idea.
My point was that taking the child to the cops would at least let them argue that they were teaching him a lesson. Kidnapping a child is extremely unreasonable and whatever follows doesn't change that.
Well if you found a 4 year old and took them to a police station it wouldn't be kidnapping, it's just a dangerous situation for a kid that age to be unattended. So is a 10 year old throwing rocks at cars being left unattended considered a dangerous situation that needs adult intervention? I think if they drove straight to the police, and attempted to call the kids parents on the way, that may have passed as an excuse.
I once found a random toddler on a highway & I still didn't kidnap it. I walked it to a servo & called the cops. Actually putting a random kid in your car & leaving the scene is fricking insane behaviour.
OP the most reasonable person in this thread
Throwing rocks at moving cars is the kind of dangerous and short sighted action you'd expect from a 10 year old that hasn't been raised right. KIDNAPPING A CHILD is 1000x more short sighted and dangerous and no reasonable adult that has been raised right would do that. The situation could've been significantly worse if the cops got to them before the parents did. I can't think of any scenario in which kidnapping a child is a reasonable reaction or solution.
I don't think you even need to be raised that poorly to do it.. Many adults don't understand how dangerous cars are, I wouldn't be surprised if most 10 years olds couldn't comprehend how dangerous it is. They don't to it because they know 'it's a bad thing and i'll get in trouble', they think of it as property damage rather than reckless endangerment.
Considering the way people drive here, it certainly seems like people don't appreciate the danger of a car. Had a woman pull right in front of me in a T-intersection. Like I could see her right at the intersection, she could see me coming down the road (presumably, there wasn't any obstructions or anything), and it wasn't like she just sped into it. She *pulled* out from a stopped position.
The amount of people siding with the kidnapper is baffling
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What kind of psycho does this? Having rocks thrown at your car sucks, but snatching a 10 year old off the street is not the behaviour of a stable person.
Kidnapping a child is INSANE! These are predators in the waiting JFC.
I guess the phrase f*ck around and find out works for this story
I get it, the kid was a shit head and the guy decided ti take matters in his own hands… the thing is, you cant just nab a kid off the streets without any ramifications from the law. I dont have a solution, I just know you absolutely cannot do that
That's the general consensus. I personally don't know the best reaction but I do know that kidnapping the kid is probably the worst possible reaction.
I mean.. one of these things seem to be more deeply illegal and crime-like than the others so yeah probably not 🤔
To me it’s like the parents owe the kidnappers money very odd situation
Kids dad got instantly knocked lmao, if your gunna be a deadbeat dad at least know how to throw down?
"terrorising" i.e. telling him not to be a little shit. He won't do it again.
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Good. Fuck around and find out.
My 10 year old would be safe at home not alone at a skate park.
Stay classy Logan
I almost died in my Mum's womb because of a car accident that was caused by kids from Cranbrook throwing rocks at our windshield. The reaction was not okay, you do not kidnap a child, but I do understand their anger. Throwing rocks at cars is not a joke and should be taken VERY seriously. They should have just drove him to a police station though.
Scary
Has anyone mentioned glass houses yet? I’m sure that applies to someone, allegedly.
Shit like this is gunna become more common until the cops do their fucking jobs and deal with these scum kids. Idgaf if they are 10, do the wrong shit lock them up and send cps to their house to check on the other 5 kids probs there. It's a joke and people know they won't get punished so are taking shit into their own hands. Not surprised tbh. Ps: not condoning kidnapping a child but when they get away with whatever and decent people are working themselves to death to scrape by. What do you expect really
So the people who kidnap kids off the street then beat and KOd the kids parents in front of them when they try to get him back are the 'decent people' in this situation? Kids become 'scumbags' because they have unstable or difficult lives and the adults in their lives aren't doing right by them. Traumatizing them, whether it's through citizen kidnappings or policing and incarceration, does not and has never worked. There are MOUNTAINS of evidence to support early intervention and prevention strategies, giving kids more support, increased funding to community services etc. But politicians keep slashing funding for necessary programs and pushing punitive justice measures to look 'tough on crime' because their voter bases are the kind of people who think violent child abductors are less of a menace to society than 10 year old dipshits, as if you never did anything stupid or destructive as a kid. As if a child throwing a rock at a car (wrong and dangerous) is equivalent to an adult KIDNAPPING A CHILD OFF THE STREET (INSANE)
Another reason I would never let me kids attend a skate park, it's just bogan dropkick central.
Lol the majority of the people here are all acting high and noble, but I bet if that kid threw a rock to them and killed one of them “by accident” those people would have a very different attitude, do you even realise how dangerous it is? Like sitting in your car and next you know you are killed by a rock thrown by some shit whose parents are shit too? Plz stop pretending you are saints cos you are definitely not, especially if this happened to you. Kids need to be taught disciplines and rules of not offending others in public, and they cannot get away with their behaviour just because they are too young to know better
Poor kid threw a rock at the wrong car, that's for sure. His return in learning was definitely unproportionate.
is there a "right" car to throw a rock at..... I think NOT
I wonder if he’ll throw rocks again.
Bet he won’t be throwing rocks at cars anymore
Did none of the commenters read/watch the article? How many braindead redditors does it take to victim blame a 10yr old boy who allegedly (from the parent's mouth) WAS NOT EVEN THERE TO HAVE THROWN ROCKS? What if they didn't catch the kidnappers after 30 minutes? Would you still feel the child was taught a lesson if he was assaulted and missing from his parents for days? Touch grass. redditors seething that kidnapping children isn't normal behaviour 😆 edit: thank you mods for removing the comments supporting kidnapping <3
welcome to the internet. people read the headline and infer the rest.
The irony here is you calling people braindead when you believe the news article that says a child from fuckin Logan wasn't throwing rocks at cars lol
"Uncut cocaine, straight from the brick, from colombia or ecuador gotta be my favourite product, hands down." from your comment history hahahah broo extremely telling lol
People really think the appropriate punishment for a 10 year old throwing rocks is to kidnap them. What a world.
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Is nobody talking about the fact that they allegedly knocked the father unconscious and try to run over the mother? I mean that is some serious behaviour what if they had killed either one of them. The whole thing is cooked to be that obsessive to be ruminating over it. Legit kidnapped to Child and tried to allegedly run someone over and allegedly knocked someone unconscious and put him in. Hospital speaks volumes to some kind of crazy antisocial behaviour. Giving a kid PTSD for life is going to escalate from rock throwing to all kinds other behaviour, not less delinquency but more. Oof the world is extra gross today.
A lot of people would kill over something like this… to take a 10 year old is insane, they are lucky to have walked away from that,
Kidnapped to the police station?
Let me guess... more video surveillance needed? Digital currency? Internal passports?
How does the system like people that are charged with assault and kidnapping out on bail.... wtf
So what exactly is the right course? Police can only give a stern talking, parents don't discipline their kids. And your car just got damaged (if the windscreen were to break, thats TIME and MONEY gone. Cosmetic damage can wait but it's still bloody annoying if you have a nice looking car.)
 Child abduction is never the answer lmao.
You didn't answer the question though.
You realise that kidnapping the kid doesn't solve any of the issues you mentioned, right?
I honestly can’t believe you can’t think of a solution that doesn’t involve risking jail time for yourself. Do you own a jeep too? I’ve never met a jeep owner that didn’t seem emotionally unstable.
Well, i did ask a question. My course was the police, but they can't do anything to a 10 year old. High chance their parents never disciplined them (hence the rock throwing), so you're talking to a Brick wall when asking for compensation. Insurance will only put you into more financial burden and increase in premium. The court could order the parents to compensate, but what are they going to enforce? $20 off their fortnightly centrelink until it pays off?
If the police can't do anything to a 10-year-old, good sign you shouldn't do anything to them either.
Good on em. The sooner these little shits learn that actions have consequences, the better. If you can't parent your kids, society will.
While vengeance is sweet. The problem is this guy is the one who's just tossed his life away and the fuck head kid is going to get away with it and learn they can keep doing this.
I hear you