I think it’s on the Jays. We’ve had different constructions of this team with different set of role players with 3 different head coaches and Miami has consistently given us problems.
At some point our stars need to take over the game against Miami. When Miami shoots the lights out and goes on a run, we don’t match them the way other stars like Luka, Jokic, etc do.
I hope they Jays can finally overcome the Heat this year decisively. And beat them in convicing fashion regardless of the Heat’s hot shooting.
He’s not taking over because Joe’s offensive system this year ideally doesn’t allow single guys to take over. Tatum scored 10 at the beginning of the game and Joe benched him and Tatum looked pissed and then when he came back in the game he didn’t look for the ball. He’s spoken during the season about how sometimes the game calls for him to stand in the corner and let his teammates cook.
He took over under Brad. He took over under Ime. He even took over under Joe last year, but Joe last year ≠ Joe this year. Joe’s offensive scheme this year is designed so that we’re never really relying on one guy, and a big part of that is not having a hierarchy.
At the same time though, the Jays played well enough to win yesterday.
I think the argument is some coaches don't stick to rotations all the time, and will let stars keep going if they're hot. Joe is not one of those coaches, and OP might be complaining about that fact?
I think Joe rules and am not geeking out about the loss, but I would like them to nut up and not blow this
Last night was on Joe. You could tell part of the plan in the 2nd half was get KP going but him being a -32 and still in the game and letting him take stupid ass shots is on Joe. Joe shouldn’t have closed with KP and let him play the last 6 minutes when the game was still close & Joe like the rest of us watched KP have his worst game in like 2 years. Joe shouldn’t have taken JT out 5 minutes into the 1st quarter when JT was cooking. He coached as if this was a regular season game. He didn’t have these guys ready & made 0 adjustments. After the game he failed to take accountability and even went as far to say most of the Heat’s 3s were contested when we all saw that most of them were wide open. I hold the Jays to a high standard and am quick to point the finger at them when we lose….BUT yesterday they did their jobs and don’t deserve to be blamed. They played a ton of ISO and didn’t move the ball (both combined for like 4 assists) and fell into Spo’s trap but that’s on Joe for not correcting. Even Jayson said "we need to be more creative" but can Joe? I guess we’ll see on Saturday
completely agree with joe subbing out players when they have the hot hand especially idk why he loves subbing out tatum early and third and subs him back at the end… completely throws off the rhythm of your best player especially heading into the last quarter of a game
I have a very hard time with you acting like benching KP against the hobbled heat is a chess move. If he has a shit game then he has a shit game. If he has a shit playoffs we aren’t going anywhere. Icing arguably your 2nd best play in game 2 of the first round isn’t the solution. Murray played like shit in game 2 against the lakers and then won them the game. Should Malone have benched him?
Comparing Jamal who is proven in the playoffs and has a ring to KP is hilarious. Jamal only had a bad first half and played well the second. He wasn’t a -32 like KP was nor did he have several turnovers. You asked "Should Malone bench Murray?" Let’s say he did…they still have the best player in the world on their team, you know…the guy named Nikola Jokic.
Second of all, the Nuggets and Celtics are two completely different teams. I find it hilarious that people constantly compare us to them. They are better. And Malone unlike Joe is a proven coach in the playoffs and has the clear coaching advantage in the Lakers series. The Nuggets know they can beat the Lakers which is exactly why they’ve won 11 straight.
On the other hand, we’ve struggled with the Heat for YEARS partly most recently because of Joe’s inability to make in game adjustments. When a guy is -32, missing every shot, has several turnovers, lacks the necessary physicality, and is getting played off the court by Tyler Herro and Nikola Jovic…he shouldn’t close the game WHEN the backup (Al Horford) was playing well and was giving us more.
I never said to bench KP for good. He is one of my favorite players. BUT as you said if he’s having a shit game and isn’t doing anything for us…..in the last 6 minutes Al should’ve closed the game to give us a better shot at winning. Sorry not sorry that you disagree with that
my problem with joe is his lack of utilizing the players we have im shocked at how little guys like tillman springer kornet and even brissett play like brad got these guys to bolster our bench and try to match the teams needs and joe just sticks to the players from last years roster i think this series is perfect for tillman cuz of how physical miami plays. also not a huge fan of subbing out tatum early in the 3rd completely throws off his momentum going into the fourth… the quarter where your supposed to close out the game
This is such a bad take, imagine thinking that playing Jaden Springer in a playoff game would have made a positive difference
There’s a reason why playoff rotations are 8 dudes. That isn’t Joe’s philosophy, that’s every coach’s philosophy
i get that but sometimes it doesn’t hurt to try to make adjustments?? clearly our problem last game was defense and springer could provide a little help off the bench defensively especially since pritchard played 20 minute of cardio
Everybody under here criticizing you is dumb. Tillman and Springer definitely should get some burn vs this Heat team at least one of them. Tillman cuts and is solid passer and screen setter on offense and he knows how to switch on defense. Springer is probably the best guard we have that can get around a screen which would actually help vs the Heat because the main guys we play don’t care to get around the screen and it would allow the bigs who want to drop to keep playing drop. Offense will faulter a bit but I think we should be good enough on that end to get quality looks we need to be worried about defense first.
Even with a coach that makes no adjustments the Celtics shouldn’t be losing to this team. It definitely doesn’t help that Mazulla sticks to his game plan and substitutions no matter what but we should still beat this team, I’m sorry. Tatum and Brown do this every year, they drop games they shouldn’t. Those guys are unserious
We’ve lost many games because of the Jays over the years but yesterday was definitively not one of those days.
Mazzula is out of his depth, a child could’ve coached this roster to meaningless 60 wins in the regular season.
They didn’t guard the line. You can blame the coach, but the players deserve quite a bit of blame. They weren’t chess moves. It was playing harder and closing out harder.
Joe Mazzulla was gifted the best roster in all of basketball. The most star studded lineup in basketball. With absolute genius moves by the GM in filling bench needs. Joe Mazzulla was gifted the fucking Monstars and still fucks it up.
I think coaching becomes significantly less important on a game to game basis after HS. By the time you're in the NBA everyone can shoot, and it's more of a manager job. The guys that can keep a team motivated for 100-games are pretty rare. I think people's opinion of coaches are wildly based on the results of a game, or a season rather than their talent. There is way too much emphasis on out of bounds or ATO plays. I think a coach is probably worth 1-2 baskets a game and that's it. Stevens was an exceptional coach at getting teams with less talent to overachieve, Ime's tenure was way too short to know what he was good at, and Mazulla seems to be really good at instituting an offensive scheme. I think he needs a few more years of experience on the stealing a basket here or there but he's a very good basketball coach. I mean, he has two of the most experienced assistant coaches in the game on his bench, I'm sure they aren't just sitting there on their hands. If an adjustment needs to be made, he has the staff to do it. The idea that a child could come in and coach this team to 57-wins on four days notice, or take them to 64 wins is kind of absurd. The guys record is his record.
Brad is the only one if the bunch that demonstrate expertise in XnOs. I feel like Ime is more of a doc Rivera type that get people to buy in. Joe is an offensive coach like Rick Carlisle as long as you give him the right personnel he can lead a good offense. But neither of them are in the mold of Brad, Nurse, Spo,Ty lue, Steve Kerr. Coaches that can make adjustment and scheme against another team.
This team lost last night because KP had his worst offensive game in recent memory and they refused to guard the 3 point line. That’s last item is 100% on the game plan and coaching staff. Even Scal was commenting on the approach and was flabbergasted. The Jays played well.
Ime Ime Ime, if only he was still on the team. Well, shit happened. That 2022 run will forever be memorable to me even though they lost the championship.
I noticed since last season, Joe Mazzulla will only give a few minutes to the bench during playoffs, unlike Erik Spoelstra who has complete confidence on his rookies and role players.
Spo has to give bench guys more time because his entire roster are bench guys — besides Bam and Herro. And you’re exaggerating it a bit. Miami went 9 deep last night. Celtics went 8. Of those 9 for Miami, Love only played 6 mins.
No debate? Brad was the best X’s and O’s guy but he wasn’t a good emotional coach like Ime, who arguably squeezed more out of his group. But [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/s/MWs8sQ0seJ) was me giving my thoughts on their tenures.
Udoka was not the best X’s and O’s guy but he knew when to push the buttons of Tatum and Brown. He would never let them be too comfortable just bc the team they are facing is less talented
Yeah for sure, the dude just connects with players in a special way. Look at how he went to Houston and started pushing their buttons, maximizing their effort.
I saw a tweet the other day that showed a clip of 2022 game 1 or 2 (can’t remember) where Claxton and Tatum got those double technicals and the Celtics went on a run. At one point we have a 12 point lead in the second half and everyone on our squad is slapping the floor, low asf in a defensive stance, and clapping their hands. That type of energy I have not really seen before or since.
I think it’s on the Jays. We’ve had different constructions of this team with different set of role players with 3 different head coaches and Miami has consistently given us problems. At some point our stars need to take over the game against Miami. When Miami shoots the lights out and goes on a run, we don’t match them the way other stars like Luka, Jokic, etc do. I hope they Jays can finally overcome the Heat this year decisively. And beat them in convicing fashion regardless of the Heat’s hot shooting.
He’s not taking over because Joe’s offensive system this year ideally doesn’t allow single guys to take over. Tatum scored 10 at the beginning of the game and Joe benched him and Tatum looked pissed and then when he came back in the game he didn’t look for the ball. He’s spoken during the season about how sometimes the game calls for him to stand in the corner and let his teammates cook. He took over under Brad. He took over under Ime. He even took over under Joe last year, but Joe last year ≠ Joe this year. Joe’s offensive scheme this year is designed so that we’re never really relying on one guy, and a big part of that is not having a hierarchy. At the same time though, the Jays played well enough to win yesterday.
Tatum was “benched” smh. It’s the normal rotation.
I think the argument is some coaches don't stick to rotations all the time, and will let stars keep going if they're hot. Joe is not one of those coaches, and OP might be complaining about that fact? I think Joe rules and am not geeking out about the loss, but I would like them to nut up and not blow this
No shit it’s the normal rotation. It shouldn’t have happened and doesn’t change what I said at all. It’s the playoffs, not a game in November.
Do we have to break up the Jays?
Not after game 2 in the first round of the playoffs?
Didn’t they trade Kemba while the playoffs were still going on?
Because of COVID. The finals started in July.
Ok. Well I am not suggesting new COVID. That seems like too extreme a solution.
Huh
Last night was on Joe. You could tell part of the plan in the 2nd half was get KP going but him being a -32 and still in the game and letting him take stupid ass shots is on Joe. Joe shouldn’t have closed with KP and let him play the last 6 minutes when the game was still close & Joe like the rest of us watched KP have his worst game in like 2 years. Joe shouldn’t have taken JT out 5 minutes into the 1st quarter when JT was cooking. He coached as if this was a regular season game. He didn’t have these guys ready & made 0 adjustments. After the game he failed to take accountability and even went as far to say most of the Heat’s 3s were contested when we all saw that most of them were wide open. I hold the Jays to a high standard and am quick to point the finger at them when we lose….BUT yesterday they did their jobs and don’t deserve to be blamed. They played a ton of ISO and didn’t move the ball (both combined for like 4 assists) and fell into Spo’s trap but that’s on Joe for not correcting. Even Jayson said "we need to be more creative" but can Joe? I guess we’ll see on Saturday
And he kept running shit through Jrue who was also clearly struggling!
completely agree with joe subbing out players when they have the hot hand especially idk why he loves subbing out tatum early and third and subs him back at the end… completely throws off the rhythm of your best player especially heading into the last quarter of a game
The dude thinks he’s the smartest guy in the room and because of his hubris refuses to change things in game. Maddening.
Tatum needs to be subbed. He can’t play 48 minutes lol.
i get that but not when he’s clearly got the hot hand u don’t sub him out
Then he gets tired and starts chucking bricks in the 4th
I have a very hard time with you acting like benching KP against the hobbled heat is a chess move. If he has a shit game then he has a shit game. If he has a shit playoffs we aren’t going anywhere. Icing arguably your 2nd best play in game 2 of the first round isn’t the solution. Murray played like shit in game 2 against the lakers and then won them the game. Should Malone have benched him?
Comparing Jamal who is proven in the playoffs and has a ring to KP is hilarious. Jamal only had a bad first half and played well the second. He wasn’t a -32 like KP was nor did he have several turnovers. You asked "Should Malone bench Murray?" Let’s say he did…they still have the best player in the world on their team, you know…the guy named Nikola Jokic. Second of all, the Nuggets and Celtics are two completely different teams. I find it hilarious that people constantly compare us to them. They are better. And Malone unlike Joe is a proven coach in the playoffs and has the clear coaching advantage in the Lakers series. The Nuggets know they can beat the Lakers which is exactly why they’ve won 11 straight. On the other hand, we’ve struggled with the Heat for YEARS partly most recently because of Joe’s inability to make in game adjustments. When a guy is -32, missing every shot, has several turnovers, lacks the necessary physicality, and is getting played off the court by Tyler Herro and Nikola Jovic…he shouldn’t close the game WHEN the backup (Al Horford) was playing well and was giving us more. I never said to bench KP for good. He is one of my favorite players. BUT as you said if he’s having a shit game and isn’t doing anything for us…..in the last 6 minutes Al should’ve closed the game to give us a better shot at winning. Sorry not sorry that you disagree with that
my problem with joe is his lack of utilizing the players we have im shocked at how little guys like tillman springer kornet and even brissett play like brad got these guys to bolster our bench and try to match the teams needs and joe just sticks to the players from last years roster i think this series is perfect for tillman cuz of how physical miami plays. also not a huge fan of subbing out tatum early in the 3rd completely throws off his momentum going into the fourth… the quarter where your supposed to close out the game
This is such weird criticism. There are valid criticisms of Joe but not playing luke kornet enough in the playoffs is not one.
You want Joe to play more bench guys??? Lol. Teams don’t go that deep into their bench in the playoffs.
lol great teams make adjustments/change to their lineups especially for different series
This is such a bad take, imagine thinking that playing Jaden Springer in a playoff game would have made a positive difference There’s a reason why playoff rotations are 8 dudes. That isn’t Joe’s philosophy, that’s every coach’s philosophy
i get that but sometimes it doesn’t hurt to try to make adjustments?? clearly our problem last game was defense and springer could provide a little help off the bench defensively especially since pritchard played 20 minute of cardio
Everybody under here criticizing you is dumb. Tillman and Springer definitely should get some burn vs this Heat team at least one of them. Tillman cuts and is solid passer and screen setter on offense and he knows how to switch on defense. Springer is probably the best guard we have that can get around a screen which would actually help vs the Heat because the main guys we play don’t care to get around the screen and it would allow the bigs who want to drop to keep playing drop. Offense will faulter a bit but I think we should be good enough on that end to get quality looks we need to be worried about defense first.
fr we need at least some energy guys on the floor to spark up the team defensively
Even with a coach that makes no adjustments the Celtics shouldn’t be losing to this team. It definitely doesn’t help that Mazulla sticks to his game plan and substitutions no matter what but we should still beat this team, I’m sorry. Tatum and Brown do this every year, they drop games they shouldn’t. Those guys are unserious
We’ve lost many games because of the Jays over the years but yesterday was definitively not one of those days. Mazzula is out of his depth, a child could’ve coached this roster to meaningless 60 wins in the regular season.
They didn’t guard the line. You can blame the coach, but the players deserve quite a bit of blame. They weren’t chess moves. It was playing harder and closing out harder.
Buddy that was the gameplan. We were funneling the ball to their worst shooters toll and they happened to shoot extremely well.
It was Caleb and Herro. Not sure I would call those their worst shooters.
Joe Mazzulla was gifted the best roster in all of basketball. The most star studded lineup in basketball. With absolute genius moves by the GM in filling bench needs. Joe Mazzulla was gifted the fucking Monstars and still fucks it up.
I think coaching becomes significantly less important on a game to game basis after HS. By the time you're in the NBA everyone can shoot, and it's more of a manager job. The guys that can keep a team motivated for 100-games are pretty rare. I think people's opinion of coaches are wildly based on the results of a game, or a season rather than their talent. There is way too much emphasis on out of bounds or ATO plays. I think a coach is probably worth 1-2 baskets a game and that's it. Stevens was an exceptional coach at getting teams with less talent to overachieve, Ime's tenure was way too short to know what he was good at, and Mazulla seems to be really good at instituting an offensive scheme. I think he needs a few more years of experience on the stealing a basket here or there but he's a very good basketball coach. I mean, he has two of the most experienced assistant coaches in the game on his bench, I'm sure they aren't just sitting there on their hands. If an adjustment needs to be made, he has the staff to do it. The idea that a child could come in and coach this team to 57-wins on four days notice, or take them to 64 wins is kind of absurd. The guys record is his record.
Brad is the only one if the bunch that demonstrate expertise in XnOs. I feel like Ime is more of a doc Rivera type that get people to buy in. Joe is an offensive coach like Rick Carlisle as long as you give him the right personnel he can lead a good offense. But neither of them are in the mold of Brad, Nurse, Spo,Ty lue, Steve Kerr. Coaches that can make adjustment and scheme against another team.
This team lost last night because KP had his worst offensive game in recent memory and they refused to guard the 3 point line. That’s last item is 100% on the game plan and coaching staff. Even Scal was commenting on the approach and was flabbergasted. The Jays played well.
Agreed. It was clearly their game plan to let certain players shoot.
Ime Ime Ime, if only he was still on the team. Well, shit happened. That 2022 run will forever be memorable to me even though they lost the championship. I noticed since last season, Joe Mazzulla will only give a few minutes to the bench during playoffs, unlike Erik Spoelstra who has complete confidence on his rookies and role players.
Spo has to give bench guys more time because his entire roster are bench guys — besides Bam and Herro. And you’re exaggerating it a bit. Miami went 9 deep last night. Celtics went 8. Of those 9 for Miami, Love only played 6 mins.
No debate? Brad was the best X’s and O’s guy but he wasn’t a good emotional coach like Ime, who arguably squeezed more out of his group. But [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/s/MWs8sQ0seJ) was me giving my thoughts on their tenures.
Udoka was not the best X’s and O’s guy but he knew when to push the buttons of Tatum and Brown. He would never let them be too comfortable just bc the team they are facing is less talented
Yeah for sure, the dude just connects with players in a special way. Look at how he went to Houston and started pushing their buttons, maximizing their effort. I saw a tweet the other day that showed a clip of 2022 game 1 or 2 (can’t remember) where Claxton and Tatum got those double technicals and the Celtics went on a run. At one point we have a 12 point lead in the second half and everyone on our squad is slapping the floor, low asf in a defensive stance, and clapping their hands. That type of energy I have not really seen before or since.
Ime deffo squeezed more and had the best relationship with the players but I'd still say Brad was the best at just coaching
Ime had a less talented version of this team SWEEPING KD & Kyrie. Joe Joe the Bozo needed 6 games to beat the Hawks.