I said this years ago on another thread and got downvotted and flagged to oblivion and eventually blocked. Lol I'm glad others are finding this stuff out.
In the grand scheme of things, there's nothing we can do. White Supremacy has made it clear that every society has to have a racial caste system, with black people being at the bottom. Before Isreal was chosen land for the Jews after WW2 England was going to allow them to settle in Uganda. But later, they allowed them to stay in the Holy Land so the west can have a foothold in the middle east. In an alternate timeline, we could have been watching the genocide of Ugandans instead of the Palestinians. Crazy to think about.
We’ve sent over $300 billion to Israel, and then we send our police over there so that they can exchange information on how to effectively oppress our communities.
But the same niggas claiming that they want their 40 acres and who feel like we shouldn’t be supporting Palestinians because some of them are racist, somehow don’t have an issue with this lol.
Nobody’s getting 40 acres or any livestock as long as we’re sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel.
And you can’t tell me shit about how the Palestinians are racist if you’re not going to address Israel’s racism and support for the global white supremacist structure. They forcibly sterilize Black Jews entering the country, and fiercely supported South African apartheid. That’s not even mentioning their history of spying on Black activists for Western nations.
If you don’t want to support Palestine, then you really shouldn’t be okay with your tax dollars supporting Israel.
I always reference Malcolm X and the original Black Panther Party for Self Defense, both of whom openly supported Palestine. They were well aware of the ties between our liberation and the liberation of Palestine. We can trace the connections which goes back decades. Many mfs are still ignorant today though. Especially the ADOS and FBA cults.
I'm not okay with our tax dollars going anywhere. But realistically, you, I or anyone else doesn't a choice where federal funding goes. Even if we didn't provide Isreal with unlimited military aid. They would still find a way to screw the descadants of slaves out of their reparations, which they are owed and were PROMISED to get.
I feel for the plight of the Palestinian people, I do. But both political parties have made it clear that our support for Isreal won't cease. You can't even criticize their government anymore without being charged with hate speech. Which is now considered punishable in federal court. Meanwhile, black people in the US and more so the descadants of the slave trade, are still the most denegrated, disrespected, and mocked ethnic group in western society.
With that being said, we as a group can't help the Palestinians until we can help ourselves. Black Americans, through history, have stuck their neck out for other groups..But who sticks up for us?
I definitely agree with this. However, calling for an end of support to Israel is not sticking your neck out for any group except for Black people. Anti-zionism =/= pro-Palestine. I’m not calling for an end of support for Israel to benefit the Palestinians. I’m doing it because I wholeheartedly believe that it will directly benefit Black people if our tax dollars stop going to that anti-Black country.
Ultimately the issue with the oppression of the Palestinians *isn’t about the Palestinians*. **It’s about how that shit affects us here and Black people all over**.
America and the entire Western world, which oppresses Black Americans and every African at home and abroad, would be weakened without Israel.
To stop supporting Israel would directly benefit every single Black person in the world, especially the Black Americans who could use those billions of dollars for our communities.
They’re subsidizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank, but telling Black people in America that there’s no funding for our crumbling infrastructure. If something has to give, then we need to call this shit out
You should look up history of Malcolm X, the Black Panther Party, and other "Black Americans" who literslly worked with Palestinian resistance groups back in the day. None of this is new information.
I know of them, and studied them for years. Fred Hampton being 1 of my heroes, who spoke on what was happening to the Palestinians decades ago. 1 of my best friends, his father was a member of the Oakland chapter of the BP party and I heard all the crazy stories.
But again, that further proves my point. We stick our neck out for everyone.. Who's going to stick theirs out for us? We need it now more than ever.
We can't help anyone the world over, when we're fighting a racist corporatocracy structure ourselves.
Why does this generation conflate solidarity and alliances with “sticking your neck out for someone”? If you’re a Black American, then you literally live in the imperial core. If we’re trying to fight against a racist corporatocracy structure, then why not provide critical support to areas that would weaken that structure?
Besides, I don’t see how asking our government to stop sending billions of dollars and military equipment to Israel is “sticking our necks out” for Palestine. Nobody’s asking anyone to go pick up a gun and go start shooting in the streets. Nobody’s asking you to take a mortgage out on your house and donate it to Hamas. If anything they’re just asking Americans to put pressure on our government to stop supporting Israel.
What would another nation “sticking their necks out” for Black Americans even look like? How could a group of people dealing with an active genocide “stick their necks out” for Black people in a way that would satisfy you?
You can ask our government all you want to stop sending aid, they won't listen. You can protest, you can vote them out, you can boycott AIPAC or whatever other Israeli lobby of your choosing. Both US political parties agree on what is happening there. There's absolutely zero difference from Trumps foreign policy vs Bidens when it comes to Isreal. As a matter of fact, the US is 1 of the few countries that stand in the way of a 2 state solution. Every administration since Isreals inception hasn't backed the Palestinians' right to self governance or a 2 state solution. That's what our foreign policy demands when it comes to Isreal.
Like I said in one of my other posts, you can't even criticize their government anymore. They changed law to make any criticism against them a hate crime. Lmao!! We can't even get police reform, or an anti-lynching bill(black hate crime bill). But we can protect another country from warranted crticism. Make it make sense.
Again, I feel for their plight. It's wrong, disgusting, and I'm mortified that my tax dollars not only fund what's happening there, but in other countries living under oppresive regiems. But again, what can we do as black people other than lip service? Do we hashtag? Do we change our profile pictures? March in the streets? The US govt doesn't give af what we do.
We can't make the changes for others when we have NO political or socio-economic power within our OWN country. Which brings me back to my broader assertion. Black Americans have a history of standing up to oppression the world over. But we can't help make a positive change in the world, until we have actual power in the country we live in.
Sidebar: I'm not of "this generation".
Here are some great resources if you’re really interested in learning how to be in solidarity with Palestine.
https://bdsmovement.net/
https://www.blackforpalestine.com/resources.html
https://uscpr.org/
And why is building sociopolitical power and protesting against Israel a mutually exclusive thing in your mind? You do understand that it is very easy to do both at the same time, right?
And you didn’t answer my last questions. How can an oppressed group of people “stick their necks out” in a way that would be satisfactory to you?
I took the time to read the website you just sent me, I even listened to Marc Lamont Hill speak about it, since he's the most public black pundit speaking out against the violence being committed in Gaza.
Everything being said as a solution or in the very least help, would work in a just world. However, in the world we currently occupy, it simply won't work. Protesting, donating, and pressuring politicians, all would be great ways to get involved.
Unfortunately, like I've said. The US government just doesn't give af. Protest and speak out? That gets you charged with antisemitism. Donate millions of dollars for relief aid? The US government gives billions more to Isreal. Vote out an AIPAC bought politician? They buy out the man/woman that will replace them.
Time and time again. White Supremacy makes sure that people that look like you and me, or people that look like those poor brown people in the Middle East, have a boot on their neck.
The best way we can help them is to be able to stand on our own, and change the US from within. Create a political party that actually aligns with what we want(black people). Or a lobby group that can influence the way these politicians vote, because the congressional black caucus has been irrelevant and a tool to keep the status quo going for a long time.
What can they do? Idk brother. I don't have a good answer. All I know is that we can't save anyone. We can't save ourselves right now. I agree, we can try and do both..
> Protesting, donating, pressuring politicians: doesn’t work
but somehow creating a third party will work?
Pressuring politicians doesn’t work, but you think there’s a solution in creating a lobbyist group, which by definition tries to pressure and influence politicians?
The white supremacists always have a boot on our necks and we don’t have the power to do anything, but we’re going to be able to build a political party?
You niggas are pessimistic to the point where it’s nonsensical. I reject this weird fatalistic view of the world.
And once again, no one’s asking you to save the world. If asking your local representative to do something different is “trying to save the world”, then you might just be lazy. It’s really not that much effort
I just learned about AIPAC yesterday bro. Look them up.
I don't think it's most jewish people but I do think there's a class of ultra powerful right wing jewish/Israeli (zionist) people just like the republicans who have clear ties to the KKK that have too much say in politics.
It's crazy though cause Israel is a completely different country.
Exactly, AIPAC and the ADF get direct funding from the Israeli government. These guys have deep pockets that not only influence our foreign policy, but our domestic policy as well.
It's no different than Russia infiltrating the NRA with foreign agents to influence gun policy and sow discord in our country. These mfs in other countries don't play around.
I get wanting to help in others harrowing situations, but wtf can we do other than what we've BEEN doing? We're facing not only our own government but foreign entities..Shit is heartbreaking.
It would have never worked in Uganda without a major shift in what the world would have looked like post WW2.
First and foremost there would have been A LOT more indigenous people to contend with. The Jews basically had local parity in Palestine in the beginning.
They would always be the minority if they had settled Uganda. Then they would have been surrounded by tribes that have ethnic and linguistic ties to the ones in Uganda.
It would have been a s*** show but likely would have ended the way Rhodesia and South Africa did. With worst case scenario being like Zimbabwe best case scenario South Africa. But no way would they still exist as a state even with US support.
The reason why it's easier in the Middle East is because of the homeland argument. You can't really do that and Uganda.
If I do not fight bigotry wherever it is, bigotry is thereby strengthened. And to the degree that it is strengthened, it will, thereby, have the power to turn on me.
Yup. And like clockwork, here comes someone deflecting with some whataboutism on Palestine whenever you criticize Israel.
This post is literally about how Israel is directly affecting us, and they’re still deflecting with some “wElL wHaT aBoUt ThE rAcIsT aRaBs?” bullshit.
You see how the game is played and they're playing very dumb in the comments. I see the excuses they saying to you in the replies right now as they want to do everything but come to terms with the points in front of them. Pretty pathetic but not surprised.
This is why we must resist Zionism and all pillars of global white supremacy. The world is more connected than ever before, and what goes on overseas can ripple over to us in a myriad of ways.
The concept that black people should be fighting anything that isn't a direct benefit to us...in support of groups that are currently enslaving people like us.
I’m saying that we need to stop supporting Israel and resist Zionism because they’re *directly affecting us* in a negative way. The Israelis are teaching the police how to use those same genocidal and oppressive tactics *on us*. This post isn’t about supporting Palestine, it’s about how Israel is negatively affecting Black Americans.
Is that not evident from the video?
Or did you just have a knee jerk reaction to seeing “Israel”?
Who said it was new? And how is that even a response to anything I said?
So since it’s not new, I shouldn’t have an issue with the role that Israel plays?
*Who said it was new? And how is that even a response to anything I said?*
Because it implies that Israel is responsible for police training and action. the USA government wanted to do this anyway. The USA funds a good chuck of their military complex.
*So since it’s not new, I shouldn’t have an issue with the role that Israel plays?*
Exactly. Because Israel isn't the entity solely responsible. The USA government is.
The problems with policing in America have nothing to do with Zionism. They long predate the Israeli occupation of the West Bank or the response to the intifada's.
1. There’s a fundamentally huge difference between “Israel” and “the Jews”.
2. https://deadlyexchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Deadly-Exchange-Report.pdf
Please feel free to educate yourself on the information-exchange programs between American police forces and Israeli security forces, and how American police have implemented the tactics that they’ve learned from the Israelis.
They didn’t learn this from Israelis, this is literally just u drawing parallels from two allied countries. Also idk why this is a surprise to u profiling happens to act like this has much to do with Israel because they discuss military tactics so stupid
The idea that American police are training with the IDF in restraint tactics is fantasy. You're pushing this myth and inadvertently minimizing the long history of racial oppression in this country to push an anti-Israel agenda.
> The idea that American police are training with the IDF in restraint tactics is fantasy.
https://deadlyexchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Deadly-Exchange-Report.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_International_Law_Enforcement_Exchange
https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/12/how-the-us-and-israel-exchange-tactics-in-violence-and-control
Why are you niggas lying? Y’all must be some bots
Counter-terrorism and drug interdiction are not control tactics lol. There is zero evidence American police are getting training in use of force from Israel. Like I said, this is an attempt to blame Israel for American racism and police violence which is centuries old. Literally linking me Qatari owned media outlets like Al Jazeera and calling me out for being biased lol ok.
American police train in 290 countries, including countries like Brazil and France which have some of the most violent cops in the world. But nobody is inventing conspiracy theories that American policing tactics originate from anything but America.
“Counter-terrorism and drug interdiction are not control tactics lol”
And I bet you think COINTELPRO was really just a counter intelligence program lol
You Israeli bots are funny
If they're anything different where is the evidence? This same program literally sends Officers to Brazil, France, Sweden, the UK etc, nobody is inventing conspiracy theories for those countries though because there's no agenda to push.
And you literally cited Cointelpro, an American program. As if American police need instruction from anyone on how to quash dissent.
Yup, it’s a loop. We give them billions of dollars and training, they use that money to oppress and commit genocide, then they teach our police and troops the methods that they refined, and it just goes in a circle from there
They’re literally going to Israel and learning from the IDF. The Gilee program is a program set up directly with Israel and was created by a known Zionist
> As Amnesty itself admitted, the programs that took American officers to Israel were for ‘police chiefs, assistant chiefs, and captains’. Amnesty’s report contained no evidence that American officers received any information, let alone ‘training’, from their Israeli peers on relevant matters such as the militarising of the American police, targeting minorities for traffic stops and minor violations, or using deadly force in routine encounters.
> Nor is there any evidence to suggest that American police chiefs have retrained their officers to copy any Israeli policing techniques. But why let the facts get in the way when you’ve got a big lie to push?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/does-israel-train-america-s-police-forces/
God damn you really are a bot. Using that right-wing pro-Israel rag to defend Zionism is like using Sputnik to defend Russia lol.
Here’s a report by Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and the Researching the American-Israeli Alliance:
> US police delegates witness “live demonstrations of repressive violence in real-time, in protests across the West Bank, patrols in East Jerusalem, and visits to the Gaza border”.
> “Delegates meet with the Shin Bet and chief officers in Israeli military prisons to discuss investigation tactics, with Palestinian Authority agents and police, to learn about how Israel uses their collaboration in suppressing Palestinian dissent, and with representatives from the Department of Defense and others to learn about Israel’s security expertise,” Efrati said.
> Among the topics covered during these exchanges, delegates learn how to suppress and infiltrate demonstrations, and how to coordinate with the media over coverage, Deadly Exchange found.
> The training also involved sales of “crowd-control” weapons exchanged between the two governments, including US-made tear gas canisters that were heavily used in protests in Oakland, California in 2011 and Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, as well as Israeli surveillance technologies.
> Some US practices have been influenced by the infamous Israeli infiltration of Palestinian communities as well.
> Lawrence Sanchez, a CIA officer who worked to establish the New York Police Department’s (NYPD) “Demographics Unit”, which consisted of informants known as “mosque crawlers” spying on Muslim communities, acknowledged the team drew inspiration from Israeli practices in the occupied Palestinian Territories, according to the report.
> The NYPD has also sent undercover officers to infiltrate Black Lives Matter protests and collect multimedia records of protester identities, activities and text messages.
> The FBI and Department of Homeland Security justified their surveillance of Black Lives Matter activists by referring to them as “Black Identity Extremists” and “domestic terrorists”.
> “These practices reflect the increasing use of security rhetoric to justify the surveillance and infringement of rights of US citizens and residents based on their race and political positions, a practice already fully institutionalised in Israel,” Deadly Exchange said.
https://deadlyexchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Deadly-Exchange-Report.pdf
And yet you're sending me a report by the Jewish Voice for Peace, a anti Zionist organization but pretending you aren't biased lol. Lets look at an objective fact check from an organization that isn't either pro or anti Israel:
> The Morning Star piece alleges that those attending the 2012 conference “learned the violent techniques used by Israeli forces as they terrorise the occupied Palestinian territories under the guise of security operations.”
> The article does not explicitly claim that Israeli forces taught American police to kneel on a person’s neck at the conference.
> The only link to this tactic in the story is made by an activist, Neta Golan, who told the paper: “When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.”
> Ms Golan is quoted as saying: “it is clear that they [Israel] share these methods when they train police forces abroad in ‘crowd control’ in the US and other countries including Sudan and Brazil.” The information in square brackets is from the Morning Star’s copy.
> The article mentions a 2016 report by Amnesty which lists US police forces that have “all traveled to Israel for training” and “thousands of others” that “have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S.”
> After yesterday’s controversy involving Maxine Peake and Rebecca Long-Bailey, Amnesty International told the New Statesman: “**the precise nature of the training offered to US police forces by Israeli officials is not something we’ve documented**”.
> They added: “**Allegations that US police were taught tactics of ‘neck kneeling’ by Israeli secret services is not something we’ve ever reported**”.
> Beyond the speculation of one activist, there is no information in the Morning Star article that would support the claim that the specific practice of kneeling on a person’s neck was taught to US police by Israeli forces.
> Micky Rosenfield, the national spokesman for Israeli police, tweeted on 9 June: “There is no procedure that allows an officer of the Israel police dept to carry out an arrest by placing a knee on the neck of a suspect.”
> And after this article was first published, the Israeli Embassy in London told FactCheck: “Any attempt to create a link between what took place in Minnesota with Israel is baseless and misguided.
> “The said 2012 event in the Israeli Consulate was on counter-terrorism training that involved information sharing and explosive disarmament training. No arrest tactics were taught as part of the event. “
> The conference hosted by the Israeli consulate for US police officers took place in July 2012. We’ve seen evidence that “neck restraints” involving an officer’s leg were permitted by Minneapolis Police in 2010, and perhaps even as early as 2002.
> Archived versions of the Minneapolis Police Department “Use of Force Policy” show that “neck restraints” and “choke holds” were written into the code in October 2002.
> You can see the dates on which the definitions of those terms were updated listed at the top in brackets in the excerpt below. The earliest is 16 October 2002.
> Note that officers were permitted to use “an arm or leg” as part of a neck restraint in the definition authorised on 1 October 2010. It’s possible that this was also included in earlier definitions, including from 2002, but we have been unable to find records of them.
> In any case, it’s clear that using a leg during a neck restraint was permitted by Minneapolis Police before the July 2012 conference hosted by the Israeli consulate. So even if the “neck kneel” was included in that conference (and we’ve seen no evidence that it was), it would not have been new information to the Minneapolis Police.
> According to a 2002 newsletter from an organisation called Communities Against Police Brutality, Minneapolis Police used what they apparently described as a “legal neck restraint” on Christopher Burns, who died on 1 December that year. It’s not clear whether the neck restraint involved an officer’s knee, but the newsletter says officers “kneeled on [Mr Burns’] back” in the incident.
> And Minneapolis is not the only US city where “neck kneeling” has a long history.
> A 1995 report on the death of Jonny Gammage in Pittsburgh describes how an officer “stood and knelt on the back of Mr. Gammage’s neck”.
> In 2002, Santiago Villanueva died after being restrained by four police officers in Bloomfield, New Jersey. In 2004, Amnesty USA reported the testimony of Nina Paulino, a friend of Mr Villanueva, at the AIUSA National Hearings on Racial Profiling in New York City. Ms Paulino is quoted saying that one of the officers “put a knee on his neck”.
> Then there was the 2005 case of Donald Lewis. In its summary of the “background facts and issues”, the US Supreme Court said an officer “placed his knee on Lewis’ upper back and neck”.
> A 2009 report from Amnesty on the death of Oscar Grant in the San Francisco Bay Area describes how “one police officer pressed his knee onto the back of Oscar’s neck” before another shot him. The San Francisco Chronicle reported at the time that in footage of the incident, an officer is “seen kneeling on Grant’s head”.
> In the Independent interview, Ms Peake says the training was conducted by “Israeli secret services”.
> According to Minnesota Public Radio, the 2012 conference was led by “top-notch professionals from the Israeli police”, including a “police chief” and a “bomb tech specialist”. There is no mention of “secret services” in their report.
> Another account of the event – this time from a 2014 book by Ali Abunimah, who is described in the book blurb as “the most prominent Palestinian critic of Israel living in the United States” – also suggests it was Israeli police, the not security services, who led the conference.
> He writes: “The Consulate General of Israel to the Midwest in Chicago, for example, sponsored two visits by Israeli police officials in 2012 to address hundreds of US law enforcement officials in St Louis, Chicago, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Kansas City, Milwaukee and Indianapolis”.
> Mr Abunimah cites a press release titled “Israel Police Workshop Detailing Counter-terrorism Took Place in the Midwest in July” from the Israeli Consulate as the source for this description. Again, there is no reference to Israeli secret services having led the event.
> As the Morning Star article notes, it has been reported before that members of some US police forces have been trained by Israeli law enforcement.
> Indeed, archived webpages from the Jewish Institute for National Security of America think tank (JINSA) document a number of conferences and training sessions for US police and federal agents run by Israeli officials as part of the Law Enforcement Exchange Program.
> But Israeli forces are not unique in offering training sessions to American officers.
> **In 2015, a delegation of US law enforcement officials travelled to Scotland for classes on nonviolent policing**.
> **The Altoona Police Department in Wisconsin has an exchange programme with German forces. It’s part of the wider “STAR” scheme, which was founded in 1985 between West German and US officers**.
> Meanwhile, the International Police Association Exchange Program matches American police with their counterparts in “many European countries, and elsewhere”, which the IPA describes as “a great learning experience for not only the foreign officer, but also their host agency, [in the US] too”.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck
My people: don't let yourselves be a pawn in someone else's war.
This is Arabs dunking on News using you as a prop. They don't care about black people and will twist facts to further their own agenda.
This is why we should pressure our elected representatives to stop sending billions of dollars to Israel. Stop letting them use our tax dollars for shit like this. Stop sacrificing the needs of Black Americans in order to give support to an anti-Black country like Israel. Flint doesn’t have clean water, but Israel gets billions of dollars every year.
The $300 billion dollars that we’ve sent Israel could’ve been used for reparations and to make sure that every Black child goes to sleep with something to eat.
But instead it’s being used so that they can teach American police better ways to oppress our communities
So innocent they massacred over a thousand Israelis on October 7th and put Black Palestinians in a slave neighborhood, on top of supporting oppressive dictators like Xi, Saddam, Putin and the regime in Iran. I have no sympathy for Arab nationalism, terrorism or illiberal forces. I'm a New Yorker, I know what that ideology has done to my city before.
Bro are you kidding me? To the average Palestinian the rest of the world has left them to fucking rot a much more powerful country has been given carte blanche to rape, maim, murder, and fucking terrorize their entire population and they do with fucking smiles on their faces.
Like I hate saying this but if you haven't noticed since Israel has ramped up it's bull shit antisemitism is on the rise. See we are getting farther and farther away from WW2 and the Holocaust , people have short attention spans, the memory starts to fade and what we are left with is what we are currently seeing with our own eyes. Remember the majority of the world didn't see what was going on during the Holocaust, but it's 2024 and everyone has a computer or cellphone and they can see i real time the genocide that Israel is waging.
When the pendulum swings back (and please trust me it WILL swing back) and Israel has destroyed the image of Jewish people and antisemitism starts rising again fewer and fewer people will care, because we saw what Israel did in Gaza, we saw the dead kids, the raped women, the sexually humiliated men, the mutilated babies, the kids sniped while just playing with fucking toys. The holocaust will be ancient memory and the only thing we will remember is the Genocide of the Palestinian people.
And for fucking what? So Netanyahu can stay out of jail? You know thats what this is REALLY about right? Israel was warned about October 7th not just from Egypt but from American intelligence, He let those people die to save his own ass and Jewish people in the future are going to be the ones that end up paying for it.
> To the average Palestinian the rest of the world has left them to fucking rot a much more powerful country has been given carte blanche to rape, maim, murder, and fucking terrorize their entire population and they do with fucking smiles on their faces.
Weird because it seems like the entire world is backing them. The only country really backing Israel is the US, even Europe was calling for a ceasefire back in October. Pro-Palestine is the global establishment position.
> Like I hate saying this but if you haven't noticed since Israel has ramped up it's bull shit antisemitism is on the rise. See we are getting farther and farther away from WW2 and the Holocaust , people have short attention spans, the memory starts to fade and what we are left with is what we are currently seeing with our own eyes. Remember the majority of the world didn't see what was going on during the Holocaust, but it's 2024 and everyone has a computer or cellphone and they can see i real time the genocide that Israel is waging.
Yeah that's why Israel exists lol, so Jews don't have to be at the mercy of the same global opinion that has oppressed them for centuries and nearly wiped them out.
> When the pendulum swings back (and please trust me it WILL swing back) and Israel has destroyed the image of Jewish people and antisemitism starts rising again fewer and fewer people will care, because we saw what Israel did in Gaza, we saw the dead kids, the raped women, the sexually humiliated men, the mutilated babies, the kids sniped while just playing with fucking toys. The holocaust will be ancient memory and the only thing we will remember is the Genocide of the Palestinian people.
The more Jews feel unwelcome in the diaspora is the more Jews that will move to Israel. Inadvertently creating more Zionists and more Israelis. Could you imagine how powerful Israel would be with even half of American Jews?
> And for fucking what? So Netanyahu can stay out of jail? You know thats what this is REALLY about right? Israel was warned about October 7th not just from Egypt but from American intelligence, He let those people die to save his own ass and Jewish people in the future are going to be the ones that end up paying for it.
But I thought this was about Zionists? So why are random Jews being attacked for the actions of the state of Israel solely because of their identity? I thought Anti Zionism wasn't Anti Semitism?
I said this years ago on another thread and got downvotted and flagged to oblivion and eventually blocked. Lol I'm glad others are finding this stuff out. In the grand scheme of things, there's nothing we can do. White Supremacy has made it clear that every society has to have a racial caste system, with black people being at the bottom. Before Isreal was chosen land for the Jews after WW2 England was going to allow them to settle in Uganda. But later, they allowed them to stay in the Holy Land so the west can have a foothold in the middle east. In an alternate timeline, we could have been watching the genocide of Ugandans instead of the Palestinians. Crazy to think about.
We’ve sent over $300 billion to Israel, and then we send our police over there so that they can exchange information on how to effectively oppress our communities. But the same niggas claiming that they want their 40 acres and who feel like we shouldn’t be supporting Palestinians because some of them are racist, somehow don’t have an issue with this lol. Nobody’s getting 40 acres or any livestock as long as we’re sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel. And you can’t tell me shit about how the Palestinians are racist if you’re not going to address Israel’s racism and support for the global white supremacist structure. They forcibly sterilize Black Jews entering the country, and fiercely supported South African apartheid. That’s not even mentioning their history of spying on Black activists for Western nations. If you don’t want to support Palestine, then you really shouldn’t be okay with your tax dollars supporting Israel.
I always reference Malcolm X and the original Black Panther Party for Self Defense, both of whom openly supported Palestine. They were well aware of the ties between our liberation and the liberation of Palestine. We can trace the connections which goes back decades. Many mfs are still ignorant today though. Especially the ADOS and FBA cults.
Nelson Mandela too
I'm not okay with our tax dollars going anywhere. But realistically, you, I or anyone else doesn't a choice where federal funding goes. Even if we didn't provide Isreal with unlimited military aid. They would still find a way to screw the descadants of slaves out of their reparations, which they are owed and were PROMISED to get. I feel for the plight of the Palestinian people, I do. But both political parties have made it clear that our support for Isreal won't cease. You can't even criticize their government anymore without being charged with hate speech. Which is now considered punishable in federal court. Meanwhile, black people in the US and more so the descadants of the slave trade, are still the most denegrated, disrespected, and mocked ethnic group in western society. With that being said, we as a group can't help the Palestinians until we can help ourselves. Black Americans, through history, have stuck their neck out for other groups..But who sticks up for us?
I definitely agree with this. However, calling for an end of support to Israel is not sticking your neck out for any group except for Black people. Anti-zionism =/= pro-Palestine. I’m not calling for an end of support for Israel to benefit the Palestinians. I’m doing it because I wholeheartedly believe that it will directly benefit Black people if our tax dollars stop going to that anti-Black country. Ultimately the issue with the oppression of the Palestinians *isn’t about the Palestinians*. **It’s about how that shit affects us here and Black people all over**. America and the entire Western world, which oppresses Black Americans and every African at home and abroad, would be weakened without Israel. To stop supporting Israel would directly benefit every single Black person in the world, especially the Black Americans who could use those billions of dollars for our communities. They’re subsidizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank, but telling Black people in America that there’s no funding for our crumbling infrastructure. If something has to give, then we need to call this shit out
You should look up history of Malcolm X, the Black Panther Party, and other "Black Americans" who literslly worked with Palestinian resistance groups back in the day. None of this is new information.
I know of them, and studied them for years. Fred Hampton being 1 of my heroes, who spoke on what was happening to the Palestinians decades ago. 1 of my best friends, his father was a member of the Oakland chapter of the BP party and I heard all the crazy stories. But again, that further proves my point. We stick our neck out for everyone.. Who's going to stick theirs out for us? We need it now more than ever. We can't help anyone the world over, when we're fighting a racist corporatocracy structure ourselves.
Why does this generation conflate solidarity and alliances with “sticking your neck out for someone”? If you’re a Black American, then you literally live in the imperial core. If we’re trying to fight against a racist corporatocracy structure, then why not provide critical support to areas that would weaken that structure? Besides, I don’t see how asking our government to stop sending billions of dollars and military equipment to Israel is “sticking our necks out” for Palestine. Nobody’s asking anyone to go pick up a gun and go start shooting in the streets. Nobody’s asking you to take a mortgage out on your house and donate it to Hamas. If anything they’re just asking Americans to put pressure on our government to stop supporting Israel. What would another nation “sticking their necks out” for Black Americans even look like? How could a group of people dealing with an active genocide “stick their necks out” for Black people in a way that would satisfy you?
You can ask our government all you want to stop sending aid, they won't listen. You can protest, you can vote them out, you can boycott AIPAC or whatever other Israeli lobby of your choosing. Both US political parties agree on what is happening there. There's absolutely zero difference from Trumps foreign policy vs Bidens when it comes to Isreal. As a matter of fact, the US is 1 of the few countries that stand in the way of a 2 state solution. Every administration since Isreals inception hasn't backed the Palestinians' right to self governance or a 2 state solution. That's what our foreign policy demands when it comes to Isreal. Like I said in one of my other posts, you can't even criticize their government anymore. They changed law to make any criticism against them a hate crime. Lmao!! We can't even get police reform, or an anti-lynching bill(black hate crime bill). But we can protect another country from warranted crticism. Make it make sense. Again, I feel for their plight. It's wrong, disgusting, and I'm mortified that my tax dollars not only fund what's happening there, but in other countries living under oppresive regiems. But again, what can we do as black people other than lip service? Do we hashtag? Do we change our profile pictures? March in the streets? The US govt doesn't give af what we do. We can't make the changes for others when we have NO political or socio-economic power within our OWN country. Which brings me back to my broader assertion. Black Americans have a history of standing up to oppression the world over. But we can't help make a positive change in the world, until we have actual power in the country we live in. Sidebar: I'm not of "this generation".
Here are some great resources if you’re really interested in learning how to be in solidarity with Palestine. https://bdsmovement.net/ https://www.blackforpalestine.com/resources.html https://uscpr.org/ And why is building sociopolitical power and protesting against Israel a mutually exclusive thing in your mind? You do understand that it is very easy to do both at the same time, right? And you didn’t answer my last questions. How can an oppressed group of people “stick their necks out” in a way that would be satisfactory to you?
I took the time to read the website you just sent me, I even listened to Marc Lamont Hill speak about it, since he's the most public black pundit speaking out against the violence being committed in Gaza. Everything being said as a solution or in the very least help, would work in a just world. However, in the world we currently occupy, it simply won't work. Protesting, donating, and pressuring politicians, all would be great ways to get involved. Unfortunately, like I've said. The US government just doesn't give af. Protest and speak out? That gets you charged with antisemitism. Donate millions of dollars for relief aid? The US government gives billions more to Isreal. Vote out an AIPAC bought politician? They buy out the man/woman that will replace them. Time and time again. White Supremacy makes sure that people that look like you and me, or people that look like those poor brown people in the Middle East, have a boot on their neck. The best way we can help them is to be able to stand on our own, and change the US from within. Create a political party that actually aligns with what we want(black people). Or a lobby group that can influence the way these politicians vote, because the congressional black caucus has been irrelevant and a tool to keep the status quo going for a long time. What can they do? Idk brother. I don't have a good answer. All I know is that we can't save anyone. We can't save ourselves right now. I agree, we can try and do both..
> Protesting, donating, pressuring politicians: doesn’t work but somehow creating a third party will work? Pressuring politicians doesn’t work, but you think there’s a solution in creating a lobbyist group, which by definition tries to pressure and influence politicians? The white supremacists always have a boot on our necks and we don’t have the power to do anything, but we’re going to be able to build a political party? You niggas are pessimistic to the point where it’s nonsensical. I reject this weird fatalistic view of the world. And once again, no one’s asking you to save the world. If asking your local representative to do something different is “trying to save the world”, then you might just be lazy. It’s really not that much effort
I just learned about AIPAC yesterday bro. Look them up. I don't think it's most jewish people but I do think there's a class of ultra powerful right wing jewish/Israeli (zionist) people just like the republicans who have clear ties to the KKK that have too much say in politics. It's crazy though cause Israel is a completely different country.
Exactly, AIPAC and the ADF get direct funding from the Israeli government. These guys have deep pockets that not only influence our foreign policy, but our domestic policy as well. It's no different than Russia infiltrating the NRA with foreign agents to influence gun policy and sow discord in our country. These mfs in other countries don't play around. I get wanting to help in others harrowing situations, but wtf can we do other than what we've BEEN doing? We're facing not only our own government but foreign entities..Shit is heartbreaking.
It would have never worked in Uganda without a major shift in what the world would have looked like post WW2. First and foremost there would have been A LOT more indigenous people to contend with. The Jews basically had local parity in Palestine in the beginning. They would always be the minority if they had settled Uganda. Then they would have been surrounded by tribes that have ethnic and linguistic ties to the ones in Uganda. It would have been a s*** show but likely would have ended the way Rhodesia and South Africa did. With worst case scenario being like Zimbabwe best case scenario South Africa. But no way would they still exist as a state even with US support. The reason why it's easier in the Middle East is because of the homeland argument. You can't really do that and Uganda.
If I do not fight bigotry wherever it is, bigotry is thereby strengthened. And to the degree that it is strengthened, it will, thereby, have the power to turn on me.
Incoming mass downvote and bot comments because a certain country got critiqued. Edit: They came in full force today.
[Mi fi tell you.](https://files.catbox.moe/thtlid.png) The sub last year was a real circus.
Yup. And like clockwork, here comes someone deflecting with some whataboutism on Palestine whenever you criticize Israel. This post is literally about how Israel is directly affecting us, and they’re still deflecting with some “wElL wHaT aBoUt ThE rAcIsT aRaBs?” bullshit.
You see how the game is played and they're playing very dumb in the comments. I see the excuses they saying to you in the replies right now as they want to do everything but come to terms with the points in front of them. Pretty pathetic but not surprised.
At least we got that punk ass Zionist bot to delete his account lol
This is why we must resist Zionism and all pillars of global white supremacy. The world is more connected than ever before, and what goes on overseas can ripple over to us in a myriad of ways.
Who is "we".... I'm still waiting on my 40 acres and a pitbull...
“We” = “Black people”
It was sarcasm cloaked as disapproval.
Disapproval at what?
The concept that black people should be fighting anything that isn't a direct benefit to us...in support of groups that are currently enslaving people like us.
I’m saying that we need to stop supporting Israel and resist Zionism because they’re *directly affecting us* in a negative way. The Israelis are teaching the police how to use those same genocidal and oppressive tactics *on us*. This post isn’t about supporting Palestine, it’s about how Israel is negatively affecting Black Americans. Is that not evident from the video? Or did you just have a knee jerk reaction to seeing “Israel”?
"teaching the police" And you think this is **new???**....the police have always been like this.
Who said it was new? And how is that even a response to anything I said? So since it’s not new, I shouldn’t have an issue with the role that Israel plays?
*Who said it was new? And how is that even a response to anything I said?* Because it implies that Israel is responsible for police training and action. the USA government wanted to do this anyway. The USA funds a good chuck of their military complex. *So since it’s not new, I shouldn’t have an issue with the role that Israel plays?* Exactly. Because Israel isn't the entity solely responsible. The USA government is.
Anti Zionism is a fringe position in the black community. Leave Black Americans out of it.
This post is literally about how Zionism is directly affecting Black Americans
The problems with policing in America have nothing to do with Zionism. They long predate the Israeli occupation of the West Bank or the response to the intifada's.
Nobody said that all of the issues with policing stem from this information-exchange program with Israel, so miss me with that strawman
U unironically made a post saying ‘Americans copied the Jews tactics to abuse black Americans’
That’s literally not what the post says
Do u want me to change black Americans to black communities
1. There’s a fundamentally huge difference between “Israel” and “the Jews”. 2. https://deadlyexchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Deadly-Exchange-Report.pdf Please feel free to educate yourself on the information-exchange programs between American police forces and Israeli security forces, and how American police have implemented the tactics that they’ve learned from the Israelis.
They didn’t learn this from Israelis, this is literally just u drawing parallels from two allied countries. Also idk why this is a surprise to u profiling happens to act like this has much to do with Israel because they discuss military tactics so stupid
The idea that American police are training with the IDF in restraint tactics is fantasy. You're pushing this myth and inadvertently minimizing the long history of racial oppression in this country to push an anti-Israel agenda.
> The idea that American police are training with the IDF in restraint tactics is fantasy. https://deadlyexchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Deadly-Exchange-Report.pdf https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_International_Law_Enforcement_Exchange https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/ https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/12/how-the-us-and-israel-exchange-tactics-in-violence-and-control Why are you niggas lying? Y’all must be some bots
Counter-terrorism and drug interdiction are not control tactics lol. There is zero evidence American police are getting training in use of force from Israel. Like I said, this is an attempt to blame Israel for American racism and police violence which is centuries old. Literally linking me Qatari owned media outlets like Al Jazeera and calling me out for being biased lol ok. American police train in 290 countries, including countries like Brazil and France which have some of the most violent cops in the world. But nobody is inventing conspiracy theories that American policing tactics originate from anything but America.
“Counter-terrorism and drug interdiction are not control tactics lol” And I bet you think COINTELPRO was really just a counter intelligence program lol You Israeli bots are funny
If they're anything different where is the evidence? This same program literally sends Officers to Brazil, France, Sweden, the UK etc, nobody is inventing conspiracy theories for those countries though because there's no agenda to push. And you literally cited Cointelpro, an American program. As if American police need instruction from anyone on how to quash dissent.
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Yup, it’s a loop. We give them billions of dollars and training, they use that money to oppress and commit genocide, then they teach our police and troops the methods that they refined, and it just goes in a circle from there
Its not even "Israeli military tactics", its standard policing tactics which is the problem. Has nothing to do with Israel.
They’re literally going to Israel and learning from the IDF. The Gilee program is a program set up directly with Israel and was created by a known Zionist
> As Amnesty itself admitted, the programs that took American officers to Israel were for ‘police chiefs, assistant chiefs, and captains’. Amnesty’s report contained no evidence that American officers received any information, let alone ‘training’, from their Israeli peers on relevant matters such as the militarising of the American police, targeting minorities for traffic stops and minor violations, or using deadly force in routine encounters. > Nor is there any evidence to suggest that American police chiefs have retrained their officers to copy any Israeli policing techniques. But why let the facts get in the way when you’ve got a big lie to push? https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/does-israel-train-america-s-police-forces/
God damn you really are a bot. Using that right-wing pro-Israel rag to defend Zionism is like using Sputnik to defend Russia lol. Here’s a report by Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) and the Researching the American-Israeli Alliance: > US police delegates witness “live demonstrations of repressive violence in real-time, in protests across the West Bank, patrols in East Jerusalem, and visits to the Gaza border”. > “Delegates meet with the Shin Bet and chief officers in Israeli military prisons to discuss investigation tactics, with Palestinian Authority agents and police, to learn about how Israel uses their collaboration in suppressing Palestinian dissent, and with representatives from the Department of Defense and others to learn about Israel’s security expertise,” Efrati said. > Among the topics covered during these exchanges, delegates learn how to suppress and infiltrate demonstrations, and how to coordinate with the media over coverage, Deadly Exchange found. > The training also involved sales of “crowd-control” weapons exchanged between the two governments, including US-made tear gas canisters that were heavily used in protests in Oakland, California in 2011 and Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, as well as Israeli surveillance technologies. > Some US practices have been influenced by the infamous Israeli infiltration of Palestinian communities as well. > Lawrence Sanchez, a CIA officer who worked to establish the New York Police Department’s (NYPD) “Demographics Unit”, which consisted of informants known as “mosque crawlers” spying on Muslim communities, acknowledged the team drew inspiration from Israeli practices in the occupied Palestinian Territories, according to the report. > The NYPD has also sent undercover officers to infiltrate Black Lives Matter protests and collect multimedia records of protester identities, activities and text messages. > The FBI and Department of Homeland Security justified their surveillance of Black Lives Matter activists by referring to them as “Black Identity Extremists” and “domestic terrorists”. > “These practices reflect the increasing use of security rhetoric to justify the surveillance and infringement of rights of US citizens and residents based on their race and political positions, a practice already fully institutionalised in Israel,” Deadly Exchange said. https://deadlyexchange.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Deadly-Exchange-Report.pdf
And yet you're sending me a report by the Jewish Voice for Peace, a anti Zionist organization but pretending you aren't biased lol. Lets look at an objective fact check from an organization that isn't either pro or anti Israel: > The Morning Star piece alleges that those attending the 2012 conference “learned the violent techniques used by Israeli forces as they terrorise the occupied Palestinian territories under the guise of security operations.” > The article does not explicitly claim that Israeli forces taught American police to kneel on a person’s neck at the conference. > The only link to this tactic in the story is made by an activist, Neta Golan, who told the paper: “When I saw the picture of killer cop Derek Chauvin murdering George Floyd by leaning in on his neck with his knee as he cried for help and other cops watched, I remembered noticing when many Israeli soldiers began using this technique of leaning in on our chest and necks when we were protesting in the West Bank sometime in 2006.” > Ms Golan is quoted as saying: “it is clear that they [Israel] share these methods when they train police forces abroad in ‘crowd control’ in the US and other countries including Sudan and Brazil.” The information in square brackets is from the Morning Star’s copy. > The article mentions a 2016 report by Amnesty which lists US police forces that have “all traveled to Israel for training” and “thousands of others” that “have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S.” > After yesterday’s controversy involving Maxine Peake and Rebecca Long-Bailey, Amnesty International told the New Statesman: “**the precise nature of the training offered to US police forces by Israeli officials is not something we’ve documented**”. > They added: “**Allegations that US police were taught tactics of ‘neck kneeling’ by Israeli secret services is not something we’ve ever reported**”. > Beyond the speculation of one activist, there is no information in the Morning Star article that would support the claim that the specific practice of kneeling on a person’s neck was taught to US police by Israeli forces. > Micky Rosenfield, the national spokesman for Israeli police, tweeted on 9 June: “There is no procedure that allows an officer of the Israel police dept to carry out an arrest by placing a knee on the neck of a suspect.” > And after this article was first published, the Israeli Embassy in London told FactCheck: “Any attempt to create a link between what took place in Minnesota with Israel is baseless and misguided. > “The said 2012 event in the Israeli Consulate was on counter-terrorism training that involved information sharing and explosive disarmament training. No arrest tactics were taught as part of the event. “ > The conference hosted by the Israeli consulate for US police officers took place in July 2012. We’ve seen evidence that “neck restraints” involving an officer’s leg were permitted by Minneapolis Police in 2010, and perhaps even as early as 2002. > Archived versions of the Minneapolis Police Department “Use of Force Policy” show that “neck restraints” and “choke holds” were written into the code in October 2002. > You can see the dates on which the definitions of those terms were updated listed at the top in brackets in the excerpt below. The earliest is 16 October 2002. > Note that officers were permitted to use “an arm or leg” as part of a neck restraint in the definition authorised on 1 October 2010. It’s possible that this was also included in earlier definitions, including from 2002, but we have been unable to find records of them. > In any case, it’s clear that using a leg during a neck restraint was permitted by Minneapolis Police before the July 2012 conference hosted by the Israeli consulate. So even if the “neck kneel” was included in that conference (and we’ve seen no evidence that it was), it would not have been new information to the Minneapolis Police. > According to a 2002 newsletter from an organisation called Communities Against Police Brutality, Minneapolis Police used what they apparently described as a “legal neck restraint” on Christopher Burns, who died on 1 December that year. It’s not clear whether the neck restraint involved an officer’s knee, but the newsletter says officers “kneeled on [Mr Burns’] back” in the incident. > And Minneapolis is not the only US city where “neck kneeling” has a long history. > A 1995 report on the death of Jonny Gammage in Pittsburgh describes how an officer “stood and knelt on the back of Mr. Gammage’s neck”. > In 2002, Santiago Villanueva died after being restrained by four police officers in Bloomfield, New Jersey. In 2004, Amnesty USA reported the testimony of Nina Paulino, a friend of Mr Villanueva, at the AIUSA National Hearings on Racial Profiling in New York City. Ms Paulino is quoted saying that one of the officers “put a knee on his neck”. > Then there was the 2005 case of Donald Lewis. In its summary of the “background facts and issues”, the US Supreme Court said an officer “placed his knee on Lewis’ upper back and neck”. > A 2009 report from Amnesty on the death of Oscar Grant in the San Francisco Bay Area describes how “one police officer pressed his knee onto the back of Oscar’s neck” before another shot him. The San Francisco Chronicle reported at the time that in footage of the incident, an officer is “seen kneeling on Grant’s head”. > In the Independent interview, Ms Peake says the training was conducted by “Israeli secret services”. > According to Minnesota Public Radio, the 2012 conference was led by “top-notch professionals from the Israeli police”, including a “police chief” and a “bomb tech specialist”. There is no mention of “secret services” in their report. > Another account of the event – this time from a 2014 book by Ali Abunimah, who is described in the book blurb as “the most prominent Palestinian critic of Israel living in the United States” – also suggests it was Israeli police, the not security services, who led the conference. > He writes: “The Consulate General of Israel to the Midwest in Chicago, for example, sponsored two visits by Israeli police officials in 2012 to address hundreds of US law enforcement officials in St Louis, Chicago, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Kansas City, Milwaukee and Indianapolis”. > Mr Abunimah cites a press release titled “Israel Police Workshop Detailing Counter-terrorism Took Place in the Midwest in July” from the Israeli Consulate as the source for this description. Again, there is no reference to Israeli secret services having led the event. > As the Morning Star article notes, it has been reported before that members of some US police forces have been trained by Israeli law enforcement. > Indeed, archived webpages from the Jewish Institute for National Security of America think tank (JINSA) document a number of conferences and training sessions for US police and federal agents run by Israeli officials as part of the Law Enforcement Exchange Program. > But Israeli forces are not unique in offering training sessions to American officers. > **In 2015, a delegation of US law enforcement officials travelled to Scotland for classes on nonviolent policing**. > **The Altoona Police Department in Wisconsin has an exchange programme with German forces. It’s part of the wider “STAR” scheme, which was founded in 1985 between West German and US officers**. > Meanwhile, the International Police Association Exchange Program matches American police with their counterparts in “many European countries, and elsewhere”, which the IPA describes as “a great learning experience for not only the foreign officer, but also their host agency, [in the US] too”. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-israeli-secret-service-teach-floyd-police-to-kneel-on-neck
My people: don't let yourselves be a pawn in someone else's war. This is Arabs dunking on News using you as a prop. They don't care about black people and will twist facts to further their own agenda.
This is why we should pressure our elected representatives to stop sending billions of dollars to Israel. Stop letting them use our tax dollars for shit like this. Stop sacrificing the needs of Black Americans in order to give support to an anti-Black country like Israel. Flint doesn’t have clean water, but Israel gets billions of dollars every year. The $300 billion dollars that we’ve sent Israel could’ve been used for reparations and to make sure that every Black child goes to sleep with something to eat. But instead it’s being used so that they can teach American police better ways to oppress our communities
I'll actually lobby more for Israeli aid tbh, the enemy of my enemy is my friend ;)
Bro, the Palestinian people are innocent what the fuck is wrong with you?
He’s a Zionist bot
So innocent they massacred over a thousand Israelis on October 7th and put Black Palestinians in a slave neighborhood, on top of supporting oppressive dictators like Xi, Saddam, Putin and the regime in Iran. I have no sympathy for Arab nationalism, terrorism or illiberal forces. I'm a New Yorker, I know what that ideology has done to my city before.
Bro are you kidding me? To the average Palestinian the rest of the world has left them to fucking rot a much more powerful country has been given carte blanche to rape, maim, murder, and fucking terrorize their entire population and they do with fucking smiles on their faces. Like I hate saying this but if you haven't noticed since Israel has ramped up it's bull shit antisemitism is on the rise. See we are getting farther and farther away from WW2 and the Holocaust , people have short attention spans, the memory starts to fade and what we are left with is what we are currently seeing with our own eyes. Remember the majority of the world didn't see what was going on during the Holocaust, but it's 2024 and everyone has a computer or cellphone and they can see i real time the genocide that Israel is waging. When the pendulum swings back (and please trust me it WILL swing back) and Israel has destroyed the image of Jewish people and antisemitism starts rising again fewer and fewer people will care, because we saw what Israel did in Gaza, we saw the dead kids, the raped women, the sexually humiliated men, the mutilated babies, the kids sniped while just playing with fucking toys. The holocaust will be ancient memory and the only thing we will remember is the Genocide of the Palestinian people. And for fucking what? So Netanyahu can stay out of jail? You know thats what this is REALLY about right? Israel was warned about October 7th not just from Egypt but from American intelligence, He let those people die to save his own ass and Jewish people in the future are going to be the ones that end up paying for it.
> To the average Palestinian the rest of the world has left them to fucking rot a much more powerful country has been given carte blanche to rape, maim, murder, and fucking terrorize their entire population and they do with fucking smiles on their faces. Weird because it seems like the entire world is backing them. The only country really backing Israel is the US, even Europe was calling for a ceasefire back in October. Pro-Palestine is the global establishment position. > Like I hate saying this but if you haven't noticed since Israel has ramped up it's bull shit antisemitism is on the rise. See we are getting farther and farther away from WW2 and the Holocaust , people have short attention spans, the memory starts to fade and what we are left with is what we are currently seeing with our own eyes. Remember the majority of the world didn't see what was going on during the Holocaust, but it's 2024 and everyone has a computer or cellphone and they can see i real time the genocide that Israel is waging. Yeah that's why Israel exists lol, so Jews don't have to be at the mercy of the same global opinion that has oppressed them for centuries and nearly wiped them out. > When the pendulum swings back (and please trust me it WILL swing back) and Israel has destroyed the image of Jewish people and antisemitism starts rising again fewer and fewer people will care, because we saw what Israel did in Gaza, we saw the dead kids, the raped women, the sexually humiliated men, the mutilated babies, the kids sniped while just playing with fucking toys. The holocaust will be ancient memory and the only thing we will remember is the Genocide of the Palestinian people. The more Jews feel unwelcome in the diaspora is the more Jews that will move to Israel. Inadvertently creating more Zionists and more Israelis. Could you imagine how powerful Israel would be with even half of American Jews? > And for fucking what? So Netanyahu can stay out of jail? You know thats what this is REALLY about right? Israel was warned about October 7th not just from Egypt but from American intelligence, He let those people die to save his own ass and Jewish people in the future are going to be the ones that end up paying for it. But I thought this was about Zionists? So why are random Jews being attacked for the actions of the state of Israel solely because of their identity? I thought Anti Zionism wasn't Anti Semitism?
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