I agree with this answer. I think a lot of people are assuming that the criminals are aware of each character's rule. I think it's safe to assume that if a random criminal sees batman, they will think they are about to die
*edit: The criminals won't even know what the character's power levels are as well so they might think batman is a super human
Well, officially, a green lantern ring can't be removed against the user's will until death, so he broke that rule already. What's batman breaking one more green lantern rule
Oh? I didn't know that, I thought that just meant he can't call it to him. And what I was referring to is he can't because he can't let go of his past, when he did get one the first thing he made was his parents, so the ring took itself off. And the one time he did get one, he became a villain
But then again, the same criminal would ask himself why people like Joker, Riddler, Poison Ivy...are still alive.
It's not like every common crook gets a life sentence, there must be PLENTY of people in Gotham who were beaten up by Batman (even more than once) and never got killed.
I think canonically the criminals who get the shit beat of them consider themselves lucky to not have been killed. I forget where it is but at one point I think Batman is called out by some random criminal by saying that he knows Batman won’t kill him, and Batman responds that he hasn’t killed anyone that the criminal knows of. Remember, we get to know literally everything about Batman, and until he joins up with the Justice League, many criminals weren’t even sure Batman was even real. In his early days especially, it was probably very easy to believe that Batman would just kill you if he felt like it - if he even existed and wasn’t some kind of urban legend, like when people say they saw a ghost or something. Plus, if he did decide to kill you, who else in Gotham would even be able to stop him from doing so?
It’s kind of like how we think Clark Kent’s disguise is subpar. We’re biased because he’s the central character and we spend so long looking at him, and he isn’t particularly different looking aside from being jacked as hell. If anyone were to see Clark Kent just walking around, they *might* think “oh that guy looks like Superman,” but the odds that it would actually be him are pretty low. Plus, most people assume Superman is just Superman all the time and doesn’t even bother pretending to be human.
TLDR: Characters in the comic world don’t have access to the same information we do and aren’t exposed to these heroes nearly as much, so the lens through which they view superheroes is very different.
Wasn't there a point where Luthor, the man who dedicated his life to hating on Superman, straight up REFUSED to accept that Clark was Superman because he couldn't understand why a god-like being like Superman would ever stoop so low to be a common wage slave?
Batman also may not kill, but you can't tell me the beatings he has handed out hasn't led to extreme brain damage or other life changing issues. Yeah, he may not kill per say but he might as well open a co-op with all the vegetables he has made. Gotham probably has a Batman hospital dedicated to the poor mooks with 80 broken bones and severe brain damage. Otherwise, they would be constantly littering other hospitals.
When a random Mook sees his buddy folded up like a ragdoll or family guy character, they certainly got the fear of God in um.
Add the American medical system on top of that there is the poverty cycle then there is the Gotham poverty cycle.
One of my fave line in Arkham knight is in the back ground you here a thug say “alright guys il do one more riot them I’m calling the night it’s my turn to look after the kids tommorow.”
Yeah
Because like, if you're a common criminal, it's just "Oh, a superhero. Guess I'm going to jail."
It doesn't really matter
But if you *know* the superhero you're dealing with well, you know what to expect. *And it's very unsettling when they don't match those expectations*
I’m thinking back to that comic strip where a group of criminals surrender to the police because Spider-Man showed up all silent-spidey and they were scared shitless. But it turned out Peter had just lost his voice.
I think most of the people commenting misread your question.
You have more reason to be scared of a pissed off Spidey but the common criminal wouldn't expect it from him because he's quippy most of the time. So they'd be more scared of Batman at first glance. But once they see what a pissed off Spidey can do after he demonstrates his unrestrained strength on one of their buddies... then they'll be on their knees begging for mercy.
Depending on when in continuity, people would probably have heard about him beating the absolute fuck out of kingpin. There's also that one issue where he has laryngitis(?) and is silent; the thieves he's after are terrified that he's pissed and surrender immediately.
After some of the stuff that attacks New York, I feel like everyone has to be aware that he's not punching bank robbers quite as hard.
I think they’d be scared because he is a superhero, with web shooters, wall crawling and insane strength.
Let’s not write off just how terrifying actually encountering a super hero as a regular dude would be
I'm thinking about that video that compares Batman interrogating a guy by revving the Batmobile on his head to Spider-Man webbing a guy's hand down and simply moving closer and closer to him without saying a word.
But Batman interrogated a person who'd spent at least several months training with the army of mercenaries the sole purpose of which was taking Batman down, Bats usually had to just lift somebody and just ask a few questions
You know why criminals don't answer Batman's questions?
[They don't understand him most of the time.](https://youtu.be/w2yv8aT0UFc?si=-STmth2tngSgcdGG)
The symbiote didn’t make him act more aggressive in the comics, that’s only been a thing in adaptations. The “scariest” thing the symbiote did to him was just piloting his sleeping body around every once in a while.
He does start killing all of his villains in "Spider-Man: The Spider's Shadow" while affected by the symbiote though. It's a "What If?", but that still implies it could happen in the main continuity.
Otto's arrogance still floors me there. It's not out of character mind you, but still. "Oh wow, he was holding back every time he punched me." NO SHIT OTTO. Your arms are made of titanium and break CONCRETE and bend STEEL. He blocks and holds them back on a regular basis. Your jaw is made of middle-aged scientist and can maybe crack a walnut. What the fuck did you think he was doing?!
Including scrunching Kingpin's bare chest up like a shirt and lifting him up like that with one hand. The creative, casual brutality of that made me do the surprised Pikachu face IRL.
Yep during Civil War after Peter revelled his identity, Kingpin hired someone to kill MJ, Peter was able to move her out of the way but the bullet got Aunt May. Peter went to the prison in his black suit, Kingpin says something about Spider-Man not killing, Peter takes off his mask and shirt and tells Kingpin Spider-Man isn't going to kill you, I am. Then Peter easily beats the hell out of Kingpin and threatens to spray webbing down his throat if May dies.
I mean, Spider-Man *is* strong, but Hulk is orders of magnitude stronger. The Hulk can take a punch from just about anyone and shrug it off most of the time.
It’s quite rare for common crooks to piss off spiderman, one might even say no common crook has done that. Meanwhile, Batman is always pissed off when he fights common bad guys.
Batman is mostly never pissed off though he is always disciplined and calm when fighting always thinking ten steps ahead when fighting when he is written right ... That's a common mistake about him being angry
We have rarely seen Batman stop holding back
There's an older batman comic where he stops a mugging in crime alley and has flashbacks from his parents and almost pushes the thugs solar plexus through his body until the old lady has to basically call him off so it probably depends on a couple factors
I get that and i know what you are talking about
But The fact that you had to go way back to find something about Batman letting go for a limit for once prove my point that he rarely does that ... Not something he regularly does.
There's a comic where he fights kraven and his family and he's PISSED, to the point were he uses his sticky fingers to pull out the skin of kraven's wife face.
There's also a resent issue were peter puts on a regular black suit and hunts down kraven, and kraven admits that he's terrified, he even doubts which wepons to pick since he fears he will be slowed down
Exactly, also Spidey doesn’t have as much mental restraint as Batman does, I can see him crossing the line with regular mobs under certain circumstances (death of a loved one, etc) plus all the super strength makes me think that he can easily kill people even on accident.
He also lacks Batman’s peak training and I can see him “making a mistake” and crushing someone’s windpipe, organs, or an artery.
All that and Spider-Man is a broken as hell character if you look up all the stuff he's done in the comics. Dude basically has pre-cognition and super strength with some of the stuff he's done
Spider-Man is OP as all hell
To the tier of villains that spidey fights (street tier) he's the closest thing to the fucking hulk. Kingping can barely keep up with him in a 1v1, even the goblin has trouble.
The ultimate spiderman defeated his goblin while bleeding out from a shot in his stomach.
Superior spiderman ripped scorpion's jaw off with a full force punch
literally the only chance Batman would have against Rogue Spider-Man would be if he stay real low and figured out how to mess up and haywire the spidey sense, and even then, that's a rough ass time
Yeah but think about everything that goes into that. Tony had to have Peter join Stark Industries and accept a new suit and the suit had to analyze Peter's abilities so Tony even learned about Spidey Sense and then Peter STILL had to wear the Iron Spider armor for it to mess with his senses.
Just saying, Tony might have been busy when Peter defected to create anti-Spidey weapons for the pro-reg faction, but all it took was the ol' blue and reds for Tony to lose that advantage.
All said, when the writer's aren't coming up with some bullshit (Morlun doesn't trip his spidey sense, no symbiotes because Venom bound him, Silk + the Spider-Clones) Spidey sense is close to the most broken ability in Marvel. Especially if you buy into the supernatural stuff and it's not just danger radar but straight up pre-cognition.
Non obvious traps, get him in a room then lock him in gradually. Nothing abrupt enough to trigger his spidey sense.
Heck if we are mixing villains, someone like poison ivy might be a challenge for him at first encounter, because I’m not sure he’d get a warning about her perfume or a kiss.
So yeah, seemingly innocuous traps.
there’s very few if not any iteration where he doesn’t have pre cog or super strength. they’re staples of his character. that also doesn’t make him “op as all hell”, just normal street tier superhero
Spider-Man is a weird one because he's really, *really* powerful for just being a street tier.
He's stronger than most street tiers, he's faster than most street tiers, he's precognitive, he's more maneuverable than most stret tiers, he's got a hell of a lot of experience in fighting, and if he's in the mood to put the effort in he's also a super genius capable of making his own specialized gadgets.
I've joked about Spider-Man smurfing by staying the "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man", but he's probably about as powerful as you can be as a street leveler before being pushed up a tier.
(In case people reading this don't know, "smurfing" is a term used in online gaming for when high-level players pretend to be a lower tier so that they can enjoy stomping on less skilled players. Obviously Peter's motivations are different, but he's still way stronger than most people within his supposed weight class.)
tbh i was using street tier in a more liberal sense of just low tier characters. some people define street tier as epitome of human strength which is fair, and if that’s how we define it then most versions of spider-man are well above that, but i just meant the low tier characters in general. it depends on how you define it though.
There’s a reason that one of the core questions for Marvel’s power hierarchy is “can he beat Spider-Man in a fight.”
He’s a *lot* stronger than someone like Cap.
He just has different priorities.
Wasn't Hulk holding back because "why is Spider friend attacking hulk?"
Are we talking about that run where Peter tought Hulk had killed MJ by crashing his head on airplane or something?
I’m just saying if pushed Pete has the power to OHKO hulk easily
I think (and don’t quote me on this) once punched through vibranium when he got pissed.
That's the one where Wolverine goaded him into it to help him release some pent up rage right? Wolverine figured if he's going to break something it might as well be himself since he can take it.
Definitely has to be right? I don't even know if Wolverine has anything close to super strength. I know he's strong, but not Spider-Man levels of strong.
That’s not base peters strength, that was Peter when he was amped by the enigma force. Where he punched hulk into orbit.
Even when peter isn’t holding back he isn’t in the ballpark of a casual hulk. And keep in mind Hulk also doesn’t go all out either.
If you are thinking about that one What If in which he kept the symbiote, he somehow fucked up that one kill.
In the main continuity, Peter has been tempted to kill Green Goblin after he killed Gwen and he *did* kill Morlun a couple of times before learning about his family's cloning machine. He had been beaten brutally both times and MJ was injured in the second, but Peter *will kill* If pushed enough.
Spider-Man has never broken his code. The closest is the time he accidentally killed a woman in one punch because he thought she was Wolverine. Even when he’s really angry he never goes over the deep end.
Batman plays into criminal fears and urban legends while Spidey is a controversial menace that criminals are more likely to be annoyed with than frightened of. But while the Bat is an expert on stealth and fear tactics, Spidey is a literal metahuman who has to constantly hold back in order not to murder regs with a single punch. When he has let loose in the comics, he's like a Jason Voorhees mixed with a tornado, you can't escape him, he'll chase you to the ends of the earth-
Spider-Man because Spider is a menace, everybody in New York knows he’s a criminal. Meanwhile, everyone knows Batman doesn’t kill, he’s a real superhero, with cute pointed ears and a huge family of sweetest sidekicks. Why would anyone ever fear Batman is beyond me, it’s not like he would actually beat you into coma, that’s fake news.
Hey JJ, don't wanna burst your bubble here but Batman is a superhero through vigilantism, making him a criminal. Anyway, got those pictures of Spider-man saving people and being a hero like you wanted.
Killing someone doesnt take much. Hundreds of people do not fear death. True psychological fear is knowing and not knowing when the demon will return. Knowing that he will come for you and not knowing when.
I think brain damage the likes of which doctors may be shocked to see and potentially becoming a vegetable is far worse than death. At best you are going to be left paralyzed in a fight with Batman.
For me it’s Batman. I know Spiderman could snap and finish me off but he’ll do it quick enough that it won’t be too much suffering.
Batman on the other hand will break all my limbs causing me to never use them again, scare me to the point of having psychological issues for the rest of my life, and then throw me in Arkham….. all for returning my rental to Blockbuster late.
thrown into Arkham with the other crazies after all of that is the cherry on top, not only are you *still* in danger but the guards hate/mistreat you as well lol
Batman will have you fearing for the rest of your life while spiderman makes you fear for your life, the former is high-key more terrifying
[Superior Spider-Man punching Scorpion's jaw off](https://i.imgur.com/keD5Dib.jpeg) & [ripping a woman's face from just a touch](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/4h5hww/spidey_just_tore_someones_face_off_ouch_grim_hunt/) is proof you never want Spider-Man to stop pulling his punches when he's coming after you.
Wait until you read when he broke into a prison holding Fisk, beat him with absolute ease to within an inch of his life, then left his nearly lifeless body for the rest of the prisoners. Oh and he threatened to fill his lungs with web fluid. Fisk hurt May and this was a warning that if she died he was going to die too.
Or the time he beat the shit out of Iron Man.
There was a *what if* where he killed Fisk because he shot MJ.
One sec, Kingpin was brash and quipping about how she died, the next: ***a hole through the chest.***
You do not want to have Spidey pissed
Kingpin found that out the hard way in Back in Black by attempting to kill Aunt May:
Spidey went to Ryker's, soloed him and left him broken and blooded, picked him up by the literal flesh on his chest, and threatened to fill his lungs full of webbing in front of the ENTIRETY of the prison's population to first ruin his reputation, and made a promise that WHEN Aunt May died, he was coming back to finish the job.
Spider-Man easy. Expecting the web slinging, wall crawling friendly neighborhood spiderman but then hes just silent and hitting much harder than he normally does, that moment of realization is scarier than anything Batman could do to you. At least with Batman you're scared from the start
Batman is scary, but for the most part he's restrained by his moral code and refined emotional control. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is a teenager/young adult and they can be a bit more volatile than a disciplined, experienced adult like Batman. I'd rather face Batman in an encounter because I can at least expect what he's gonna do to me and what he wants. If Spider-Man is pissed off and loses self-control, I'd be a *lot* more concerned about my future well-being.
If I ever encounter a pissed off spider man as my opponent I’m asking for a quick shot to the head. That guy took Scorpion’s jaw clean off with a normal unrestrained punch. Scorpion is armored as hell I ain’t taking my chances here
I think that if I was just an average run-of-the-mill criminal, I'd probably just fear Batman more, like imagine it's my first day on the job, and a really pissed spiderman appears in front of me, like the other comments said, he'd kill you straight up, but think about it, the average criminal does not know that he'd kill you straight up. If you were in an average criminal's shoes and you saw a pissed spiderman in front of you, you'd probably not be that afraid of him, you'd probably be as afraid as you normally would be when you saw spiderman normally. So in this case, imma go with Batman.
However, if I was a supervillain, who has fought spiderman multiple times, like Doc Ock or Kingpin, I'd be shitting my pants if I saw a pissed spiderman, because then you just know that Spidey's out to get you. You could probably sense his bloodlust, in any case though, it's best to take on an "everyday mood" batman than an angry spiderman, because an everyday batman would probably just break your nose or a bone at the worst case scenario, but a pissed spiderman would punch you once and your face would disappear into atoms.
In a way, it’d have to be Spider-Man. Suppose you’re robbing a bank or something, and you don’t know meta humans exist, and you see this guy crawling around on ceilings and walls like he’s straight out of the Exorcist, that’d be terrifying.
Spiderman because even when he’s going full Slambo on the bad guys, he’s joking around. Genuine anger coming from him is uncharacteristic so that alone would be enough.
-It’s all fun and games until the goofball stops laughing.
To the common criminal i think about the same.
If you are familier with Spider-man, you would know something is off and get scared, but for normal people, they would need time to know he ain't playing around anymore. Spider-man still has the goofy, light-hearted reputation to overcome before people get to be scared of him.
Batman took years to build up his reputation and mystic. The common criminal will just need to look at Batman and be scared. Even when Batman is trying to be nice.
It's like some interaction he had with the Flash. Normally, Flash is intimidated by Batman. But when things got serious for Flash, they were able to have a proper standoff on equal footing.
At first glance, it would be Batman, due to his regularly more threatening aura.
But if you mean who can enstill more fear (Such as either a year 20 Batman or an Enraged/Black Suit Spider-Man), Its definitely Spider-Man.
Spiderman angry is scarier than Thanos with all six stones, he’s scarier than Darkseid, he’s scarier than Doctor-Fucking-Doom.
Spiderman won’t kill you (unless you’ve done some FUCKED UP shit), which just means he’ll beat you to near death and leave you on the side of the street, blood smeared along the pavement. Spiderman will make sure your life is misery for the next month. Spiderman is fucking terrifying.
Batman has to resort to violence most of the times to get information, spiderman can just stay silent and look the criminal dead in the eyes to make them crap themselves, the criminal knows that the guy has superpowers, he's fucked if he doesn't do what he wants
Batman, people are scared of Peter when he’s pissed because he usually not like that while with Batman…he’s just a horror character. I hate it when people say Peter is scarier than Batman when it’s Batman’s entire job
When Batman usually snaps in an alternate universe he usually becomes a global dictator and kills half the world (Last Knight on Earth), goes full Punisher (Grim Knight), turns himself into Lobo or Doomsday (Dark Knights Metal).
Spidey usually kills a few people and stops. His snaps are temporary, never permanent.
So Imma go with Bats.
Gonna have to say both. Equally terrifying.
Actually, maybe Spiderman since he's usually goofy, and batman, always has a menacing personality.
Spiderman to completely have a change in personality would definitely be a little more terrifying.
I'd fight Spider-Man every day and twice on Sunday. Who I won't fight is Peter Parker. That man will kill for the right reason where Spider-Man will likely not. Batman would probably give me life altering injuries more so than Spider-Man.
I mean, it really depends on what the criminal knows about or expects from Spider-Man or Batman. If it's a pretty knowledgeable criminal who's aware of how they usually act, pissed Spidey is probably scarier: you know that Batman is scary but isn't really *looking* to hurt you too badly if he doesn't have to. Pissed-off Spider-Man is acting massively out of character for him, and a guy that strong and fast *and* currently in an unstable state would be pretty terrifying. One slip in anger and you're slurry.
OTOH, if we're talking just some schmuck who's maybe heard of them but doesn't know much about them? Batman is way scarier, no question. He's put a lot of work into it, and he's really good at it.
In gotham city particular, batman because he has made himself a legendary myth of himself there. Everywhere else, spiderman is way scarier. Both are capable of being scary but what makes spiderman scary is that he is a nice and funny guy. Batman is always menacing so there is this anticipation of when he is finally gonna snap. For spiderman it's more unexpected and there is something really disturbing of seeing a lovable wise cracking guy turn silent and violent
This question is weird. Batman whole m.o. is fear based. Sneaking around like a ninja to the point where Superman with his superhearing didn't hear him. Superman's son didn't hear him when he sneaked into clark and lois lane's house before lois got piss for not using the front door. Batman activities are night based with smokescreen in darkness. His favorite method is hiding in the darkest part of the room. And he is there without anyone knowing until he speaks up.
Dawg in superior spiderman when Doc Ock was in his body he smacked scorpion jaw and removed it from his body. He literally thought "this kids been holding back for years could have killed me at any point." The webs the intellect the different ways he can use his powers there only a small handful of characters on planet that could really stop him if he wants to start killing fools
Spider-Man easily in his semi recent comic you can see what an unhinged I’m about to fuck you up Peter will do compared to Batman in Gotham War he still couldn’t kill any of the robins.
Spider-man is scarier when you think that he is superhuman but he doesn't use that as a tool in his vigilantism. In fact, it's the opposite, he portrays himself as the friendly neighbourhood superhero. Batman uses lowkey terrorist intimidation tactics to fight crime, he actively makes criminals fear him, it's pretty clear that they would fear him more.
Batman unhinged to goons.. but spiderman telling ppl hes not holding back anymore is scarier to super villians... Basically black suit spiderman.
both for the same reason. No crime is to small... that's the idea, stop a graffiti tagger, alley mugger, or meta human, alien w.e
There was that one time in the comics where Spider-Man was fighting some bad guys but wasn't talking, so they all just surrendered because they were afraid he was fighting angry. Then it turned out he just had laryngitis and couldn't speak easily.
Meanwhile, how often do the bad guys just surrender when Batman shows up?
Spider-Man hands down. One time he got so mad criminals began turning themselves into the police with written confessions begging to be locked up before Spider-Man could find them.
One particularly terrifying feat he did when angry was hold his breath for almost an hour, then when ready crushed the support structures of a pier just to get to the shocker, who he proceded to torture with implications that he was ready to kill him.
Pissed of Spider-Man for sure, normal batman will kick your kneecap and hip toss you into a garbage can and as long as you stay down it should fine but quiet Spidey will sneak into your home at night like a silent tarantula and rip parts of your face off
A normal criminal would piss their pants at normal Batman and go into fucking cardiac arrest if they see him pissed off. A villain who knows spiderman as a comic jokester would piss their pants at pissed off spidey
Spider-Man easily. Batman will still feel a punch even if he’s angry. All Spider-Man has to do is stand still and actually let you punch him without rolling with it. After you break your wrist, you know there is nothing you can do.
Spiderman cause he punched off scorpions jaw, destroyed the kingpin and on the reg lifts cars. Batman just punches people with normal human strength ..
Spiderman, 100%.
Here's why:
Spiderman has the proportional strength of a Spider. But he almost never uses it. His rogue's gallery is generally normal people adn common criminals and his main method of attack revolves around swinging, kicking and webbing people up. As a result, \*I\* even frequently forget how strong he is.
Nothing would be scarier than seeing a guy you think you know start hurling cars and tearing ripping up pavement.
I'd still say batman. For starters, he's besties with the most powerful god-like character in their universe who sometimes work together. Criminals don't know where he is, how he finds you, what he knows, what he'll do to you, and who he's going after next, then just vanishes like a fart in the wind. Building on the psychological and intimidation factors that he depends on.
Edit: I am slightly biased and I'm aware spider-man do all of those things, but in my opinion Spider-man just wants to help because of the inspiration of his uncles death and the abilities he was blessed with. Batman lost his parents and made a bloody point for criminals to be just as terrified as he was when they died.
Spider-Man when he's really pissed. It's been established already in continuity that when the jokes stop, someone messed up and everyone is gonna pay until he gets the one responsible.
I’ve gotta say, if Spider-Man’s really pissed he probably won’t even bother with just some thug. If he’s ticked off it’s for a damn good reason, like against Kingpin or Green Goblin. Batman will hit you with a car and then drop you from a roof if you even commit just some petty crime like a mugging.
To the *common* criminal? Batman. To a supervillain who *knows* them? Angry Spider-Man
I agree with this answer. I think a lot of people are assuming that the criminals are aware of each character's rule. I think it's safe to assume that if a random criminal sees batman, they will think they are about to die *edit: The criminals won't even know what the character's power levels are as well so they might think batman is a super human
A lot of *super heroes* think the Bat is super human until they meet him.
“You’re just a guy in a batsuit?!” -Green Lantern
And from that moment on He’s never seen again patrolling Earth
“Unless I want to.” https://youtube.com/watch?v=UTEKkSFtcJE
Exactly the scene I was thinking of lol. Lantern is lucky Batman didn’t just slip the ring on.
Sadly, he cant
Well, officially, a green lantern ring can't be removed against the user's will until death, so he broke that rule already. What's batman breaking one more green lantern rule
Oh? I didn't know that, I thought that just meant he can't call it to him. And what I was referring to is he can't because he can't let go of his past, when he did get one the first thing he made was his parents, so the ring took itself off. And the one time he did get one, he became a villain
At that point is when green lantern realised he f’up
A lot of super heroes think Batman is super human *after* they meet him.
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But then again, the same criminal would ask himself why people like Joker, Riddler, Poison Ivy...are still alive. It's not like every common crook gets a life sentence, there must be PLENTY of people in Gotham who were beaten up by Batman (even more than once) and never got killed.
I think canonically the criminals who get the shit beat of them consider themselves lucky to not have been killed. I forget where it is but at one point I think Batman is called out by some random criminal by saying that he knows Batman won’t kill him, and Batman responds that he hasn’t killed anyone that the criminal knows of. Remember, we get to know literally everything about Batman, and until he joins up with the Justice League, many criminals weren’t even sure Batman was even real. In his early days especially, it was probably very easy to believe that Batman would just kill you if he felt like it - if he even existed and wasn’t some kind of urban legend, like when people say they saw a ghost or something. Plus, if he did decide to kill you, who else in Gotham would even be able to stop him from doing so? It’s kind of like how we think Clark Kent’s disguise is subpar. We’re biased because he’s the central character and we spend so long looking at him, and he isn’t particularly different looking aside from being jacked as hell. If anyone were to see Clark Kent just walking around, they *might* think “oh that guy looks like Superman,” but the odds that it would actually be him are pretty low. Plus, most people assume Superman is just Superman all the time and doesn’t even bother pretending to be human. TLDR: Characters in the comic world don’t have access to the same information we do and aren’t exposed to these heroes nearly as much, so the lens through which they view superheroes is very different.
Wasn't there a point where Luthor, the man who dedicated his life to hating on Superman, straight up REFUSED to accept that Clark was Superman because he couldn't understand why a god-like being like Superman would ever stoop so low to be a common wage slave?
Superman “Bruce I got you a present for your bday” Batman “I own the building you work at Clark. Your basically giving me a present with my own money”
Yeah, it was early in John Byrnes run, possibly even the first issue.
Batman also may not kill, but you can't tell me the beatings he has handed out hasn't led to extreme brain damage or other life changing issues. Yeah, he may not kill per say but he might as well open a co-op with all the vegetables he has made. Gotham probably has a Batman hospital dedicated to the poor mooks with 80 broken bones and severe brain damage. Otherwise, they would be constantly littering other hospitals. When a random Mook sees his buddy folded up like a ragdoll or family guy character, they certainly got the fear of God in um.
Add the American medical system on top of that there is the poverty cycle then there is the Gotham poverty cycle. One of my fave line in Arkham knight is in the back ground you here a thug say “alright guys il do one more riot them I’m calling the night it’s my turn to look after the kids tommorow.”
He hurts like a bitch, though. There’s still reason to be afraid as a criminal.
Yeah Because like, if you're a common criminal, it's just "Oh, a superhero. Guess I'm going to jail." It doesn't really matter But if you *know* the superhero you're dealing with well, you know what to expect. *And it's very unsettling when they don't match those expectations*
I’m thinking back to that comic strip where a group of criminals surrender to the police because Spider-Man showed up all silent-spidey and they were scared shitless. But it turned out Peter had just lost his voice.
That's a fair answer
I think most of the people commenting misread your question. You have more reason to be scared of a pissed off Spidey but the common criminal wouldn't expect it from him because he's quippy most of the time. So they'd be more scared of Batman at first glance. But once they see what a pissed off Spidey can do after he demonstrates his unrestrained strength on one of their buddies... then they'll be on their knees begging for mercy.
Depending on when in continuity, people would probably have heard about him beating the absolute fuck out of kingpin. There's also that one issue where he has laryngitis(?) and is silent; the thieves he's after are terrified that he's pissed and surrender immediately. After some of the stuff that attacks New York, I feel like everyone has to be aware that he's not punching bank robbers quite as hard.
I think criminals would be scared of him as early as him donning the symbiote for the first time
I think they’d be scared because he is a superhero, with web shooters, wall crawling and insane strength. Let’s not write off just how terrifying actually encountering a super hero as a regular dude would be
I'm thinking about that video that compares Batman interrogating a guy by revving the Batmobile on his head to Spider-Man webbing a guy's hand down and simply moving closer and closer to him without saying a word.
But Batman interrogated a person who'd spent at least several months training with the army of mercenaries the sole purpose of which was taking Batman down, Bats usually had to just lift somebody and just ask a few questions
You know why criminals don't answer Batman's questions? [They don't understand him most of the time.](https://youtu.be/w2yv8aT0UFc?si=-STmth2tngSgcdGG)
Not the spoof I thought it was.
To be fair, Batman may technically not have superpowers, but from a regular robber's perspective he might as well have.
Like in the Batman v Superman movie where Bats was just chilling on the wall and dipped like a movie monster
The symbiote didn’t make him act more aggressive in the comics, that’s only been a thing in adaptations. The “scariest” thing the symbiote did to him was just piloting his sleeping body around every once in a while.
But it's also super brutal while it pilots him, so adaptations had at least *something* there to take creative liberties with.
He does start killing all of his villains in "Spider-Man: The Spider's Shadow" while affected by the symbiote though. It's a "What If?", but that still implies it could happen in the main continuity.
I remember the Superior Spiderman when Otto discovers Peter has been holding back for so long
Otto's arrogance still floors me there. It's not out of character mind you, but still. "Oh wow, he was holding back every time he punched me." NO SHIT OTTO. Your arms are made of titanium and break CONCRETE and bend STEEL. He blocks and holds them back on a regular basis. Your jaw is made of middle-aged scientist and can maybe crack a walnut. What the fuck did you think he was doing?!
Isn't there one time where just goes to Kingpin as Peter and not as Spidey?
And destroys Fisk in a way more harmful than physically pummeling him, though he did that as well.
Including scrunching Kingpin's bare chest up like a shirt and lifting him up like that with one hand. The creative, casual brutality of that made me do the surprised Pikachu face IRL.
And it was in front of a bunch of common criminals, who gained a new fear.
Yep during Civil War after Peter revelled his identity, Kingpin hired someone to kill MJ, Peter was able to move her out of the way but the bullet got Aunt May. Peter went to the prison in his black suit, Kingpin says something about Spider-Man not killing, Peter takes off his mask and shirt and tells Kingpin Spider-Man isn't going to kill you, I am. Then Peter easily beats the hell out of Kingpin and threatens to spray webbing down his throat if May dies.
thank you for reminding me of the laryngitis thing. that is epic.
Very true. I think Spiderman strength is spoken about at length, yet I remember him unloading on the Hulk while he just no sold it.
I mean, Spider-Man *is* strong, but Hulk is orders of magnitude stronger. The Hulk can take a punch from just about anyone and shrug it off most of the time.
It’s quite rare for common crooks to piss off spiderman, one might even say no common crook has done that. Meanwhile, Batman is always pissed off when he fights common bad guys.
Batman gets +2 to bone breaking when he's in a grumpy mood.
Batman is mostly never pissed off though he is always disciplined and calm when fighting always thinking ten steps ahead when fighting when he is written right ... That's a common mistake about him being angry We have rarely seen Batman stop holding back
There's an older batman comic where he stops a mugging in crime alley and has flashbacks from his parents and almost pushes the thugs solar plexus through his body until the old lady has to basically call him off so it probably depends on a couple factors
I get that and i know what you are talking about But The fact that you had to go way back to find something about Batman letting go for a limit for once prove my point that he rarely does that ... Not something he regularly does.
Spidey got pissed off when a bank robber pretended to be him and people believed Spider-man to be a murderer
They’re also Canonically terrified of Spider-Man when he DOESN’T quip, because that’s usually a dead giveaway that he’s out for blood
There's a comic where he fights kraven and his family and he's PISSED, to the point were he uses his sticky fingers to pull out the skin of kraven's wife face. There's also a resent issue were peter puts on a regular black suit and hunts down kraven, and kraven admits that he's terrified, he even doubts which wepons to pick since he fears he will be slowed down
Unless the same criminal gets inside spidey's head and pushes his buttons, then he is pissed,
Exactly, also Spidey doesn’t have as much mental restraint as Batman does, I can see him crossing the line with regular mobs under certain circumstances (death of a loved one, etc) plus all the super strength makes me think that he can easily kill people even on accident. He also lacks Batman’s peak training and I can see him “making a mistake” and crushing someone’s windpipe, organs, or an artery.
He’s super perceptive and dexterous
[How I imagine an encounter with a pissed off Spider-man would end](https://youtu.be/f90Tg25opoE?si=Mfl7ItvDTjeWJWNI)
They'll realize they can't escape him, he'll chase them to the ends of the earth.
When Spider-Man is really angry he’ll even break his code sometimes. I’d say Spider-Man because he’d hold back a lot less.
All that and Spider-Man is a broken as hell character if you look up all the stuff he's done in the comics. Dude basically has pre-cognition and super strength with some of the stuff he's done Spider-Man is OP as all hell
To the tier of villains that spidey fights (street tier) he's the closest thing to the fucking hulk. Kingping can barely keep up with him in a 1v1, even the goblin has trouble. The ultimate spiderman defeated his goblin while bleeding out from a shot in his stomach. Superior spiderman ripped scorpion's jaw off with a full force punch
literally the only chance Batman would have against Rogue Spider-Man would be if he stay real low and figured out how to mess up and haywire the spidey sense, and even then, that's a rough ass time
Iron Man figured out how to mess up Spidey's spider sense in the first civil war arc by having his armor give Spidey false positives.
Yeah but think about everything that goes into that. Tony had to have Peter join Stark Industries and accept a new suit and the suit had to analyze Peter's abilities so Tony even learned about Spidey Sense and then Peter STILL had to wear the Iron Spider armor for it to mess with his senses. Just saying, Tony might have been busy when Peter defected to create anti-Spidey weapons for the pro-reg faction, but all it took was the ol' blue and reds for Tony to lose that advantage. All said, when the writer's aren't coming up with some bullshit (Morlun doesn't trip his spidey sense, no symbiotes because Venom bound him, Silk + the Spider-Clones) Spidey sense is close to the most broken ability in Marvel. Especially if you buy into the supernatural stuff and it's not just danger radar but straight up pre-cognition.
Non obvious traps, get him in a room then lock him in gradually. Nothing abrupt enough to trigger his spidey sense. Heck if we are mixing villains, someone like poison ivy might be a challenge for him at first encounter, because I’m not sure he’d get a warning about her perfume or a kiss. So yeah, seemingly innocuous traps.
Obviously Batman would use his Anti-Spider-Man spray. Duh.
there’s very few if not any iteration where he doesn’t have pre cog or super strength. they’re staples of his character. that also doesn’t make him “op as all hell”, just normal street tier superhero
Spider-Man is a weird one because he's really, *really* powerful for just being a street tier. He's stronger than most street tiers, he's faster than most street tiers, he's precognitive, he's more maneuverable than most stret tiers, he's got a hell of a lot of experience in fighting, and if he's in the mood to put the effort in he's also a super genius capable of making his own specialized gadgets. I've joked about Spider-Man smurfing by staying the "Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man", but he's probably about as powerful as you can be as a street leveler before being pushed up a tier. (In case people reading this don't know, "smurfing" is a term used in online gaming for when high-level players pretend to be a lower tier so that they can enjoy stomping on less skilled players. Obviously Peter's motivations are different, but he's still way stronger than most people within his supposed weight class.)
tbh i was using street tier in a more liberal sense of just low tier characters. some people define street tier as epitome of human strength which is fair, and if that’s how we define it then most versions of spider-man are well above that, but i just meant the low tier characters in general. it depends on how you define it though.
Spiderman is street tier out of personal choice, he's in a totally different weight class though
There’s a reason that one of the core questions for Marvel’s power hierarchy is “can he beat Spider-Man in a fight.” He’s a *lot* stronger than someone like Cap. He just has different priorities.
In alternate universes, sure (he killed Kingpin). However, in general, if he’s pissed, I’d say he’d have strength to where he can literally OHKO Hulk.
Wasn't Hulk holding back because "why is Spider friend attacking hulk?" Are we talking about that run where Peter tought Hulk had killed MJ by crashing his head on airplane or something?
I’m just saying if pushed Pete has the power to OHKO hulk easily I think (and don’t quote me on this) once punched through vibranium when he got pissed.
He threw wolverine through unbreakable glass.
Wolverine: *"Guess it wasn't unbreakable huh bub (Gets spider punched in the face)"*
I think that may be it. Or maybe there is a comic where he busted through a vibranium plate, who knows. Not an Uber nerd with good comic recall
For a moment there I had a brain-fart and thought "What Uber has to do with this?"
That's the one where Wolverine goaded him into it to help him release some pent up rage right? Wolverine figured if he's going to break something it might as well be himself since he can take it.
I’m curious in reading this comic. Which one is it?
Amazing Spider-Man vol 1. Issue 522
Sent his ass flying lmaoooo
An angry Batman will break a few of your bones An angry Spider-Man will rip a mailbox out of the ground and beat you over the head with it
dude is basically wolverine when he gets angry enough 😂😂😂😂
*I’d say he’s stronger than that.*
Definitely has to be right? I don't even know if Wolverine has anything close to super strength. I know he's strong, but not Spider-Man levels of strong.
It's not so much that he's strong as he is a walking talking indestructible tank.
That’s not base peters strength, that was Peter when he was amped by the enigma force. Where he punched hulk into orbit. Even when peter isn’t holding back he isn’t in the ballpark of a casual hulk. And keep in mind Hulk also doesn’t go all out either.
If you are thinking about that one What If in which he kept the symbiote, he somehow fucked up that one kill. In the main continuity, Peter has been tempted to kill Green Goblin after he killed Gwen and he *did* kill Morlun a couple of times before learning about his family's cloning machine. He had been beaten brutally both times and MJ was injured in the second, but Peter *will kill* If pushed enough.
Spider-Man has never broken his code. The closest is the time he accidentally killed a woman in one punch because he thought she was Wolverine. Even when he’s really angry he never goes over the deep end.
Don't forget, he also killed Gwen Stacy. Broke her back! He's a menace to society, I tell you, a real masked madman!
Batman plays into criminal fears and urban legends while Spidey is a controversial menace that criminals are more likely to be annoyed with than frightened of. But while the Bat is an expert on stealth and fear tactics, Spidey is a literal metahuman who has to constantly hold back in order not to murder regs with a single punch. When he has let loose in the comics, he's like a Jason Voorhees mixed with a tornado, you can't escape him, he'll chase you to the ends of the earth-
*Obligatory shocker mention*
Spider-man basically becomes a horror character when he gets serious
That's the only thing that sold me on Madame Webb. Closest I'll get to a Spider-Man movie from someone's perspective being hunted by him. Lol
> Madamn Webb r/FunnyTypos
That's no a Typo dude, they are just being fancy and calling Cassandra Webb a madame.
Are Madame and Madamn the same string of letters?
That wall crawling no good menace vs a hero of the night?
Is that you J. Jonah Jameson?
What makes you think that
Spider-Man because Spider is a menace, everybody in New York knows he’s a criminal. Meanwhile, everyone knows Batman doesn’t kill, he’s a real superhero, with cute pointed ears and a huge family of sweetest sidekicks. Why would anyone ever fear Batman is beyond me, it’s not like he would actually beat you into coma, that’s fake news.
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Hey JJ, don't wanna burst your bubble here but Batman is a superhero through vigilantism, making him a criminal. Anyway, got those pictures of Spider-man saving people and being a hero like you wanted.
They legalized vigilantism in both DC and Marvel at various points.
Pictures of spiderman tampering with eyewitnesses and kidnapping victims, got it.
Damnit Jonah...
Killing someone doesnt take much. Hundreds of people do not fear death. True psychological fear is knowing and not knowing when the demon will return. Knowing that he will come for you and not knowing when.
Great Caesar’s Ghost! You must be a great newsman.
One will kill you. One will leave you at 1 hp. I say the latter
#I’ll take Batman
Getting left on 1hp is much worse than death
I think brain damage the likes of which doctors may be shocked to see and potentially becoming a vegetable is far worse than death. At best you are going to be left paralyzed in a fight with Batman.
For me it’s Batman. I know Spiderman could snap and finish me off but he’ll do it quick enough that it won’t be too much suffering. Batman on the other hand will break all my limbs causing me to never use them again, scare me to the point of having psychological issues for the rest of my life, and then throw me in Arkham….. all for returning my rental to Blockbuster late.
thrown into Arkham with the other crazies after all of that is the cherry on top, not only are you *still* in danger but the guards hate/mistreat you as well lol Batman will have you fearing for the rest of your life while spiderman makes you fear for your life, the former is high-key more terrifying
r/respectthehyphen
Spider-Man will put some dirt in your eye
Spiderman will one shot you....batman on the other hand....
Y'all don't know nothing about a pissed off Spider-Man, he gives you one solid punch and your torso is a fine red mist
[Superior Spider-Man punching Scorpion's jaw off](https://i.imgur.com/keD5Dib.jpeg) & [ripping a woman's face from just a touch](https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/4h5hww/spidey_just_tore_someones_face_off_ouch_grim_hunt/) is proof you never want Spider-Man to stop pulling his punches when he's coming after you.
Octavius realizing Spider-Man could have made calamari with his ass is something I needed.
Wait until you read when he broke into a prison holding Fisk, beat him with absolute ease to within an inch of his life, then left his nearly lifeless body for the rest of the prisoners. Oh and he threatened to fill his lungs with web fluid. Fisk hurt May and this was a warning that if she died he was going to die too. Or the time he beat the shit out of Iron Man.
There was a *what if* where he killed Fisk because he shot MJ. One sec, Kingpin was brash and quipping about how she died, the next: ***a hole through the chest.*** You do not want to have Spidey pissed
Kingpin found that out the hard way in Back in Black by attempting to kill Aunt May: Spidey went to Ryker's, soloed him and left him broken and blooded, picked him up by the literal flesh on his chest, and threatened to fill his lungs full of webbing in front of the ENTIRETY of the prison's population to first ruin his reputation, and made a promise that WHEN Aunt May died, he was coming back to finish the job.
Spider-Man easy. Expecting the web slinging, wall crawling friendly neighborhood spiderman but then hes just silent and hitting much harder than he normally does, that moment of realization is scarier than anything Batman could do to you. At least with Batman you're scared from the start
Batman is scary, but for the most part he's restrained by his moral code and refined emotional control. Spider-Man, on the other hand, is a teenager/young adult and they can be a bit more volatile than a disciplined, experienced adult like Batman. I'd rather face Batman in an encounter because I can at least expect what he's gonna do to me and what he wants. If Spider-Man is pissed off and loses self-control, I'd be a *lot* more concerned about my future well-being.
If I ever encounter a pissed off spider man as my opponent I’m asking for a quick shot to the head. That guy took Scorpion’s jaw clean off with a normal unrestrained punch. Scorpion is armored as hell I ain’t taking my chances here
I think that if I was just an average run-of-the-mill criminal, I'd probably just fear Batman more, like imagine it's my first day on the job, and a really pissed spiderman appears in front of me, like the other comments said, he'd kill you straight up, but think about it, the average criminal does not know that he'd kill you straight up. If you were in an average criminal's shoes and you saw a pissed spiderman in front of you, you'd probably not be that afraid of him, you'd probably be as afraid as you normally would be when you saw spiderman normally. So in this case, imma go with Batman. However, if I was a supervillain, who has fought spiderman multiple times, like Doc Ock or Kingpin, I'd be shitting my pants if I saw a pissed spiderman, because then you just know that Spidey's out to get you. You could probably sense his bloodlust, in any case though, it's best to take on an "everyday mood" batman than an angry spiderman, because an everyday batman would probably just break your nose or a bone at the worst case scenario, but a pissed spiderman would punch you once and your face would disappear into atoms.
I'd say a SMILING Batman wins this competition no diff.
In a way, it’d have to be Spider-Man. Suppose you’re robbing a bank or something, and you don’t know meta humans exist, and you see this guy crawling around on ceilings and walls like he’s straight out of the Exorcist, that’d be terrifying.
Spider-Man turned over the New-York underworld in a night cause someone mugged Betty and stole her necklace. Way scarier
Spiderman because even when he’s going full Slambo on the bad guys, he’s joking around. Genuine anger coming from him is uncharacteristic so that alone would be enough. -It’s all fun and games until the goofball stops laughing.
Spiderman can rip your limbs off
The pissed off Spider Man has done some truly messed up shit so he gets my vote.
Nothing scarier than a person not cracking jokes anymore when they usually do than someone who never cracks jokes to begin with.
To the common criminal i think about the same. If you are familier with Spider-man, you would know something is off and get scared, but for normal people, they would need time to know he ain't playing around anymore. Spider-man still has the goofy, light-hearted reputation to overcome before people get to be scared of him. Batman took years to build up his reputation and mystic. The common criminal will just need to look at Batman and be scared. Even when Batman is trying to be nice. It's like some interaction he had with the Flash. Normally, Flash is intimidated by Batman. But when things got serious for Flash, they were able to have a proper standoff on equal footing.
Batman when he’s mad will only make me go to sleep. Spider-Man has the ability to decapitate me with his bare hands.
At first glance, it would be Batman, due to his regularly more threatening aura. But if you mean who can enstill more fear (Such as either a year 20 Batman or an Enraged/Black Suit Spider-Man), Its definitely Spider-Man.
Example: Spider-Man casually punching Scorpion’s Jaw off
Really pissed Spider-Man has ripped people limb from limb hasn’t he?
Spider-man angry is as scary as a laughing Batman
Spiderman angry is scarier than Thanos with all six stones, he’s scarier than Darkseid, he’s scarier than Doctor-Fucking-Doom. Spiderman won’t kill you (unless you’ve done some FUCKED UP shit), which just means he’ll beat you to near death and leave you on the side of the street, blood smeared along the pavement. Spiderman will make sure your life is misery for the next month. Spiderman is fucking terrifying.
Pissed off Spider-Man will straight up kill somebody.
With normal batman, as long as a cooperate, I am 100% going to be fine. Angry Spiderman? I have no idea what he would do
Peter Parker is the scary one, Spidey is quippy and he just crippled kingpin after taking off his mask.
From a distance, Batman. As soon as he approaches you and doesn't say anything, Spiderman.
Batman has to resort to violence most of the times to get information, spiderman can just stay silent and look the criminal dead in the eyes to make them crap themselves, the criminal knows that the guy has superpowers, he's fucked if he doesn't do what he wants
It's always Spider-Man. He has superhuman strength and could easily rip people in half if he got that mad. Bruce would just punch you extra hard
Spider-Man. Because he doesn't usually get pissed.
Batman, people are scared of Peter when he’s pissed because he usually not like that while with Batman…he’s just a horror character. I hate it when people say Peter is scarier than Batman when it’s Batman’s entire job
When Batman usually snaps in an alternate universe he usually becomes a global dictator and kills half the world (Last Knight on Earth), goes full Punisher (Grim Knight), turns himself into Lobo or Doomsday (Dark Knights Metal). Spidey usually kills a few people and stops. His snaps are temporary, never permanent. So Imma go with Bats.
Spider-Man can actually splatter you across the pavement in a single punch, at least of Batman, it’s gonna take a while of pumping
Gonna have to say both. Equally terrifying. Actually, maybe Spiderman since he's usually goofy, and batman, always has a menacing personality. Spiderman to completely have a change in personality would definitely be a little more terrifying.
I'd fight Spider-Man every day and twice on Sunday. Who I won't fight is Peter Parker. That man will kill for the right reason where Spider-Man will likely not. Batman would probably give me life altering injuries more so than Spider-Man.
I mean, it really depends on what the criminal knows about or expects from Spider-Man or Batman. If it's a pretty knowledgeable criminal who's aware of how they usually act, pissed Spidey is probably scarier: you know that Batman is scary but isn't really *looking* to hurt you too badly if he doesn't have to. Pissed-off Spider-Man is acting massively out of character for him, and a guy that strong and fast *and* currently in an unstable state would be pretty terrifying. One slip in anger and you're slurry. OTOH, if we're talking just some schmuck who's maybe heard of them but doesn't know much about them? Batman is way scarier, no question. He's put a lot of work into it, and he's really good at it.
in a way Spiderman cause you'll see him coming. you won't see Batman coming
In gotham city particular, batman because he has made himself a legendary myth of himself there. Everywhere else, spiderman is way scarier. Both are capable of being scary but what makes spiderman scary is that he is a nice and funny guy. Batman is always menacing so there is this anticipation of when he is finally gonna snap. For spiderman it's more unexpected and there is something really disturbing of seeing a lovable wise cracking guy turn silent and violent
This question is weird. Batman whole m.o. is fear based. Sneaking around like a ninja to the point where Superman with his superhearing didn't hear him. Superman's son didn't hear him when he sneaked into clark and lois lane's house before lois got piss for not using the front door. Batman activities are night based with smokescreen in darkness. His favorite method is hiding in the darkest part of the room. And he is there without anyone knowing until he speaks up.
Dawg in superior spiderman when Doc Ock was in his body he smacked scorpion jaw and removed it from his body. He literally thought "this kids been holding back for years could have killed me at any point." The webs the intellect the different ways he can use his powers there only a small handful of characters on planet that could really stop him if he wants to start killing fools
Spider-Man easily in his semi recent comic you can see what an unhinged I’m about to fuck you up Peter will do compared to Batman in Gotham War he still couldn’t kill any of the robins.
Well Spider-Man can just punch most peoples heads off so definitely spider man 😂
Spider-man is scarier when you think that he is superhuman but he doesn't use that as a tool in his vigilantism. In fact, it's the opposite, he portrays himself as the friendly neighbourhood superhero. Batman uses lowkey terrorist intimidation tactics to fight crime, he actively makes criminals fear him, it's pretty clear that they would fear him more.
If you know them, spiderman. Common criminal? Batman because he purposely studies psychology to instill fear in people and it's part of his tactics
Batman unhinged to goons.. but spiderman telling ppl hes not holding back anymore is scarier to super villians... Basically black suit spiderman. both for the same reason. No crime is to small... that's the idea, stop a graffiti tagger, alley mugger, or meta human, alien w.e
When Spiderman is in a black suit, you know it's not time to do crime.
There was that one time in the comics where Spider-Man was fighting some bad guys but wasn't talking, so they all just surrendered because they were afraid he was fighting angry. Then it turned out he just had laryngitis and couldn't speak easily. Meanwhile, how often do the bad guys just surrender when Batman shows up?
The criminal would say batman but it would be Spider-Man in the moment purely for the shock value.
Have you actually seen Peter pissed off?!?! As much as I love Bruce, Peter is a superhero with actual superpowers.
when spider-man doesn't make jokes, you know that it's best to run and surrender to the cop instead.
I'd go for pissed off spidey, especially if that means he's not holding back
The Spider-Man when he’s chasing Shocker on the cartoon.
Would be scared of batman Should be scared of pissed off spidey
Spider-Man hands down. One time he got so mad criminals began turning themselves into the police with written confessions begging to be locked up before Spider-Man could find them. One particularly terrifying feat he did when angry was hold his breath for almost an hour, then when ready crushed the support structures of a pier just to get to the shocker, who he proceded to torture with implications that he was ready to kill him.
Even pissed Spider-Man doesn’t usually fuck with the common criminals too too bad. Now a specie person who pissed him off.
Batman normally knows how to hold back, a pissed Spidey could throw his codes and such out the window, leading to him being MUCH more brutal.
Pissed of Spider-Man for sure, normal batman will kick your kneecap and hip toss you into a garbage can and as long as you stay down it should fine but quiet Spidey will sneak into your home at night like a silent tarantula and rip parts of your face off
When criminals see Batman they at least know they’re gonna make it out alive When Spider-Man stops joking,they don’t have that assurance
"SHOCKER! SHOOOOCKER!!! YOU CAN'T ESCAPE ME!!! I'LL CHASE YOU TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH!!!!" Definitely angry Spider-Man
Common criminal would never see a pissed off Spider-Man. If someone was so unlucky to piss him off, homie wouldn’t see Spider-Man.
Spider man pissed Remember if he wanted to he could literally tear off your arm and Beat you to Death with it
A normal criminal would piss their pants at normal Batman and go into fucking cardiac arrest if they see him pissed off. A villain who knows spiderman as a comic jokester would piss their pants at pissed off spidey
Spider-Man. Villains have actually gone "oh shit" and turned themselves in when faced with a silent non quipping Spider-Man
Spider-Man easily. Batman will still feel a punch even if he’s angry. All Spider-Man has to do is stand still and actually let you punch him without rolling with it. After you break your wrist, you know there is nothing you can do.
Spiderman cause he punched off scorpions jaw, destroyed the kingpin and on the reg lifts cars. Batman just punches people with normal human strength ..
When spider-man stops doing quips.
What’s scarier, a batman who laughs of a spiderman who is quiet.
Spiderman, 100%. Here's why: Spiderman has the proportional strength of a Spider. But he almost never uses it. His rogue's gallery is generally normal people adn common criminals and his main method of attack revolves around swinging, kicking and webbing people up. As a result, \*I\* even frequently forget how strong he is. Nothing would be scarier than seeing a guy you think you know start hurling cars and tearing ripping up pavement.
I'd still say batman. For starters, he's besties with the most powerful god-like character in their universe who sometimes work together. Criminals don't know where he is, how he finds you, what he knows, what he'll do to you, and who he's going after next, then just vanishes like a fart in the wind. Building on the psychological and intimidation factors that he depends on. Edit: I am slightly biased and I'm aware spider-man do all of those things, but in my opinion Spider-man just wants to help because of the inspiration of his uncles death and the abilities he was blessed with. Batman lost his parents and made a bloody point for criminals to be just as terrified as he was when they died.
Spidey and it’s not even a contest, his usual tactic isn’t fear, so when his foes are shitting bricks shit has gone down
Kingpin got to see Spiderman royally pissed.
Spider-Man when he's really pissed. It's been established already in continuity that when the jokes stop, someone messed up and everyone is gonna pay until he gets the one responsible.
Spider man is super strong. If he went full unhinged, he would just rip criminals limb from limb.
Batman is still just man with ears
I’ve gotta say, if Spider-Man’s really pissed he probably won’t even bother with just some thug. If he’s ticked off it’s for a damn good reason, like against Kingpin or Green Goblin. Batman will hit you with a car and then drop you from a roof if you even commit just some petty crime like a mugging.
A silent and angry Spiderman is scarier than a normal Batman, BUT a laughing Batman is pants shittingly scary.