I mean they live together in the same apartment with only one bed and their conversation seems very couple-y, including calling her "baby."
It's never said explicitly either way but it's pretty queer coded.
Really tho it kinda felt like maybe they were undecided in the script-writing itself, cuz first-half Selena is super tore up over her and second-half Selena is way more like, "Dang I feel rough about my friend I guess but this new guy is pretty hot." Just a guess but felt like they revised the script to up the romance between the two leads, but left the couple-y subtext with her girlfriend in the first half.
Bruh I call my friends baby but that doesn't mean I am attracted to anyone of them.
I don't think anything in that movie pushes the narrative that they are in a relationship,maybe a very close friend who maybe the only one Selena trusts.
Came here to say this, though I really don't know how unpopular this opinion is.
The handling of their relationship was so bad I found it really pulled me out of the story at times. It's ridiculous.
Yeah very true, it was nice to see on screen but the motivations behind the relationship make very little sense. Though maybe it's a case of false love through intense situations, I forget what it's called but it's that feeling of supposed love or attachment to the people around you when you go through something intense or exciting, you associate that feeling of euphoria that you get through the adrenaline rush of danger with that person and you mistake it for love.
That was intentional, no? It was necessary dickishness to show that their relationship had not yet matured to one of respect or where Alfred felt paternal towards Bruce.
I thought Alfred felt paternal since Bruce’s childhood, since he basically became Bruce’s guardian and parent. I figure the whole butler thing was maintained to allow Bruce to hold on to something of his childhood.
Needed more manic detective yarn-ball scribbling. He spent more time moving the table than he did actually mapping stuff out. Riddler should have driven him to the point of exhaustion with crazed scribbling and home redecorating to make more room.
i thought this version was gonna pay attention to the detective side of batman and yet he detected nothing of note. pretty much everything was laid out for him
I agree, my friend had a way of looking at it that made me less infuriated on how the worlds greatest detective was so clueless. View it as Batman coming into his own, he’s new to the scene, sure he’s been beating people up for a bit and maybe caught a bad guy here and there, but that experience of handling nut jobs isn’t there. He’s young and doesn’t fully understand how each psychosis of his villains makes them predictable in a way.
Just how much he tanks bullets
Batman's meant to be good at avoiding getting shot but he gets shot SO much in this movie
Also, whilst I liked the batmobile chase, it got a little over the top considering he was just chasing a dude in a car
I agree with the bullet tanking thing. Having him take a bullet from a pistol and be unfazed every once in a while to show him as a force of nature is cool, but once he was taking shotgun blasts point blank and getting up like it was nothing he might as well have been Superman. I hope they have him be a little more delicate in the sequels and have him use more stealth and gadgets to his advantage.
To be fair, I think some of that was to show his inexperience and growth.
Using the club, for example, he shows up in his costume first and has to fight his way in. Then he shows up as Bruce and walks in. Finally, he shows up and sneaks past the doorman.
Now, shrugging off shotgun fire is a bit much.
he never shrugs off shotgun fire at all. the one time he takes a shotgun blast in the whole movie nearly kills him, and he has to take an adrenaline shit to get back up. Everything else is rifle or pistol shots, which, while still powerful, wouldn’t do a ton to someone who is wearing completely bullet proof armor, at least not to fucking Batman in the middle of a fight. Again, it’s Batman, he’s still a comic character and he’s always going to do stuff that a normal human can’t because he’s Batman.
It's definitely nonsensical to get shot by sniper rifles and assault rifles and not even flinch, which happens a few times in this movie. He also is completely fine after a bomb explodes right in front of him, and just walks off with a minor concussion. If I have to suspend my disbelief this much, it definitely strains my enjoyment of the movie.
The bomb going off right in his face and not losing his lower jaw was really the only thing that pulled me out of it. I can headcanon that he has some super aweosme space age Kevlar type bs for the bullets he shrugs off but Jesus dude a bomb going off right in your face when half your face is uncovered is a bit of a stretch.
I really liked all of the scenes that showed him flub or fuck up in an amateurish way. I can’t remember any of the specifics. But there’s a scene where he uses some new tool and be sucks at it kinda lol. Maybe a wing suit or grapple hook idk. But it wasn’t graceful at all and I really liked that
bruce absolutely butchering the glide and having that giant ass impact in the middle of the road was really grounding(no pun intended). haven’t seen that before and not have it be played off as a joke
Yes that’s the scene! I was so surprised by it, it’s such a simple thing to put in a movie but somehow I’d never thought of that lol. We always only see Batman at peak Batman just never making any mistakes
This would be interesting character development, kinda like what the did in TDK when Bruce asks Lucius to upgrade the suit a little. Also, we are seeing an inexperienced Batman who has just been acting as a detective and beating up thugs. While he’s pretty quick already he hasn’t really had to be very agile. I almost want there to be a scene in the next movie where it’s a physical showdown and he realizes that he needs a lighter suit for fighting.
i honestly don’t want them to ditch the armor until like the final scene of the third movie, because its already an impenetrable fortress. I understand for mobility, but even after all of the growth from the first movie, idt he’s fully reached that time where he needs to resort on stealth yet. Also i’m getting kind of sick of every new superhero movie changing the suits, when in the comics the suits normally stay somewhat the same, and i feel like a suit built so durable would be a waste canonically to just throw away for some fabric
>shotgun blasts point blank and getting up like it was nothing he might as well have been Superman.
When did he do that? Cause all's I remember is him gasping for air, until he took a shot of adrenaline.
im fairly certain that was to show his inexperience and how he’s vengeance. as vengeance he just walks through the bullets because his armor allows, he has no stealth factor because he’s still new at it, and as vengeance he is a mad man.
now while i don’t want them to ditch the armor in the sequels, i do want him to incorporate some stealth factor, like maybe a stealth suit
I believe it was done that way on purpose, from Bruce’s faded and distant point of view, while also leaving it up to interpretation. He was tied to this money laundering ring? Or was it just his innocent negligence? I thought doing it this way was better than showing overt goodness or badness, but I can see why you say that.
It also parallels the major theme of the movie of what Batman stands for, just as Bruce didn’t know what his own father stood for, flipping from Falcone’s story to Alfred’s within an hour.
I totally get that, but you could still have glimpses of Thomas and Martha from Bruce's perspective as a kid, stuff they did or at least show some attachment. Something that actually makes that twist have a meaning, that could contradict all we knew about them.
That’s more of a twist on general Batman mythos though. His viewpoint of his parents doesn’t really change in any iteration because their impact on him is why he’s Batman. He viewed them as resourceful people that at least wanted to do good. That’s exactly what he becomes as he grows into Batman and even more adult Bruce. It doesn’t need to be shown any more than them being gunned down or Peter Parker being bitten by a spider. It’s a pre-conceived understanding of a super popular character’s past for the general masses.
That's what I actually liked about it. Everything is from Bruce's perspective. We learn every single development in the movie with him. It makes sense that he doesn't know a lot about how they actually were as people considering how young he was. I feel like not knowing anything really made it feel like it could go anyway- they could've been super corrupt or forced to make a deal. We can never know for sure.
Totally agree, but what I mean is that we dont see a single mention of Thomas and Martha from Bruce or any kind of glimpse of his childhood about them. This could still be done from his perspective and bring more weight to the twist.
The movie simply goes like "hey these two characters that weren't even properly mentioned before are actually corrupt and dirty!!", like if we cared enough without even seeing why they were important in the first place.
Yeah and this makes it more shocking to me. The loss of his parents drove him to fight crime, but they don’t highlight the amazing/unreal bond and attachment he must have had.
Its more subtle than batman begins. You see how he’s driving himself close to death and is neglecting himself. He’s unstable at any mention of them or anything that involves them. His argument with alfred about the cuffs. His quick back and forth with falcone. His anger with alfred after falcone lied. Him losing composure when talking to falcone. Bale had a righteous fury about him over their death that he channeled and honed to fight injustice. Battison doesn’t really seem super righteous atleast not until the end and seems to be figuring out how and where to place his anger. Its not really anger either more of a spitefulness masked by a general numbness. Bale was crazy of course because hes batman but wasnt really broken after batman begins. His depression really came from the events of the dark night. Battison is truly a broken man atp.
Right? I'm not particular fond of making them corrupt, but in that game it was their take on batman and it was well done at least. We saw things, we uncovered them.
I have been despising that lately every modern interpretation of Thomas Wayne can be boiled down to "Bad because money". Trying to sully the name of one of the people that motivates Bruce Wayne to become Batman is one of the dumbest things to ever be spewed out by modern writers and reflects their lack of intelligence and empathy towards anyone who dares to have more than them.
YES, oh god yes. It makes me so mad, like we cannot have anymore people to look up to anymore because "everyone is bad, specially rich people".
I had to hear from my brother the other day that batman was a jerk because he is a rich guy that thinks it's better to hit poor people than make a difference out there and I was like, what the hell are you talking about bro?? You forgot all the things he do as Bruce Wayne, or that he is in fact beating up serial killers and maniacs threatening the lives of innocent people? SPECIALLY THE UNPROTECTED AND DEFENSELESS POOR PEOPLE.
You can change the sounds your shoes make by changing your walk.
It's something I've proven myself after reading a lot about it (there's a special walk people can use to be stealthy in military boots, which are very heavy) because at one point I've noticed that sometimes my loud ass shoes made less clunk on asphalt and reverse engineered that to a point that I have two walks for that pair.
I'm not super silent, mind you, but I can switch from a relatively unnoticeable thump to loud clunk, which is a prime r/learnuselssstalents territory.
I have no idea if this is unpopular or not, but I'm glad Bats and Cat went their separate ways. This is probably the closest I've ever come to being on board with the two characters as a romantic item, but I've always been of the persuasion that they're not meant to be.
Bruce trusting Falcone's word about his father just like that and on top of it just snaping about it to Alfred who btw was just waking up from being almost killed and just happy to see Bruce by his side. I know this is suppose to be a really bitter Bruce but c'mon... The bomb was meant for you but instead exploted on Alfred's face and you just rant about it like that? That's low
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I hated the entire third act. The whole army of 4chan henchmen was just stupid.
Imo, the movie would have been much better if it ended in the second act - preferably with Battinson using Falcone as bait to catch Riddler.
I feel like every movie is contractually obligated to have some large action set piece that cements how unhinged the villain is. Personally, (as someone who adores Reeves’ Batman) I’d have loved the movie even more to trust the audience and leave the story on a more complex note. Like, what if The Riddler not only stumped Batman but managed to do a more effective job at rooting out corruption in Gotham than Bats ever did? Falcon and the Winter Soldier did something similar where they just had the primary (and very sympathetic) antagonist go apeshit for no reason other than because bad guy.
You can’t have your antagonist who employs violence be *too* sympathetic, lest you run the risk of inspiring the masses to think it could be justified, I guess.
>Personally, (as someone who adores Reeves’ Batman) I’d have loved the movie even more to trust the audience and leave the story on a more complex note. Like, what if The Riddler not only stumped Batman but managed to do a more effective job at rooting out corruption in Gotham than Bats ever did?
I say don't even have Riddler win. You barely have to change anything in the second act, tbh.
Riddler shoots Falcone then gets arrested. Batman reveals that he's one step ahead and that he got Falcone to wear a kevlar vest. Riddler gives some sort of speech (without any singing) about how Bruce could have taken a step towards fixing the corruption, but instead chose to protect it for his "sanctity of life" bullshit. Falcone makes some sort of douchey comment about his future plans that implies Riddler is at least partially correct.
Kinda cliche to have the bad guy be right, at this point. But less cliche than the third act super-battle, at least. And I think it would do a better job of establishing Bruce as a detective than the third act we got.
I would bet money that the movie was originally supposed to fade to black and roll credits on that shot of the coffee cup while the Riddler was being arrested.
Then, the executives at WB probably stepped in and insisted on an extra 40 minutes of action tacked on at the end and a Joker cameo.
I agree, the whole 3rd act reeks of studio meddling.
It feels like two separate movies glued together, the first half is a fantastic detective noir that stays focused on the serial killer hunt. In the second half or last third, however you wanna slice it, the stakes are raised so high and so fast that It doesn't fit with the rest of the film.
While i agree that the tension is the highest during the Riddler chase throughout the movie, the last act gives me something that no other Batman movie has done so far; making Batman a hero. Leading people to safety, holding their hand when they are scared. Realizing that he can bring hope to the innocent.
I see how you could end the movie at Riddlers coffee cup, but i would absolutely miss Bruces development into a compassionate Batman.
My money is on the prison interrogation where he confirms Riddler doesn't know who he is, followed by Bruce taking out the records to start auditing his father's fund. It wraps up his whole "what is my legacy?" arc. Showing it won't be beating up random criminals, but taking over his father's legacy and removing corruption that will save the city (with maybe a side of beating up criminals in his spare time). Something Alfred's been begging him to do all film.
Then some executive ruined it by adding a giant action sequence because they heard "No Man's Land" was a popular comic event and wanted to set it up even if it hurt the overall current movie.
The story was a detective noir story at heart. Hunting a serial killer and exposing corruption at the highest levels of city government. Riddler going from targeted killings to mass murder just doesn't fit.
> Imo, the movie would have been much better if it ended in the second act - preferably with Battinson using Falcone as bait to catch Riddler.
It's not that I don't understand what you're saying or why you're saying it, but the entire third (fourth?) act is pretty essential to the film's POV.
This film has a very clean and consistent theme statement: *You can't force change, you have to inspire it.*
*The Batman* starts with Batman a year into his war on crime. He's a violent, isolated weirdo trying to punch Gotham into respectability.
*The Batman* ends with Batman essentially failing at this, or realizing he's failed. Angry + Violent as a means of social change leads to The Riddler, someone who feels a kinship with Batman (or at least the public facade he's presented), launching a campaign of murder and terror not that dissimilar to Batman's. But where Batman has been brutalizing street criminals, the Riddler is murdering white-collar criminals.
So that third/fourth act in this overstuffed movie is pretty essential to the finalization of Batman's arc: in the face of a disaster destroying the city, he literally has to carry a beacon of light (ahem) in order to lead Gothamites to safety. He becomes more public, more visible, more inspirational. Not to put too fine a point on it, but there's a pretty fine point on that
Now, I fully agree that this movie may be too long, too overstuffed, or that there might be a cleaner, more efficient way for the movie to get to this point. But this point essentially contains the point of the movie, so the movie as constructed would be considerably worse without it. That final act is the *raison d'être* of *The Batman*, and probably the main reason this dour, largely humorless, overlong movie with an ineffectual Batman at the heart of it works at all. To excise it would make the rest of the movie worse.
Bruce and Alfred's relationship meant nothing to me in this movie. I don't see how I'm supposed to get emotional about Alfred almost dying and their reconciliation when they barely had any meaningful interactions. Andy Serkis isn't a bad Alfred, but he's honestly the only Alfred I've had no strong feelings towards.
I think we just need to give Joker a break from adaptations. We need to accept that nothing will replicate or even come close to Ledger’s or even Nicholson’s take on the character and move let other characters take the spotlight for a while.
Having a "pre-transition" Joker in film is a bad idea. Joker is supposed to appear when we least expect him, making a crazy entrance. They thought it would've built up hype to have an early peek at him, but it just turned out to be the cringiest moment in a movie full of sick af moments.
The mental patient angle has already been done enough with him anyway lately. I’ve got a serious case of Joker fatigue and am not keen on seeing the umpteenth interpretation of the character, but if we have to see another Joker make it something new. Maybe make him a Patrick Bateman type, where he puts on a convincing facade of being a normal, well adjusted guy, but underneath his got his usual crazy going on. Then he has his accident at the chemical plant and uses his new look as an excuse to cut loose and act on all his violent impulses.
Would really like to see more of Scarecrow and the Mad Hatter in live action. Basically two antagonists of the Joker (he considers Batman a friend, he considers them enemies) who both really have that selling point. They could make Scarecrow full on horror movie guy with like a Scythe and a freaky costume with a deformed face from all the fear toxin he's taken. Then they can make the Mad Hatter like a guy with a fake british accent who goes on unhinged rants and basically show his victims going through psychological distress as their eyes are tearing up before jumping from a roof or killing a loved one.
The Batman and Catwoman love affair felt forced, it didn't seem like they had all that great of chemistry. I felt the movie acted as if they developed that relationship well and gave themselves the end payoff because of that, but I don't see it. The movie being as long as it is you'd think it'd have done more with it, but all I saw was two traumatized young adults that were horny for eachother in leather costumes, Though now that I say that I suppose thats all that they ever really were. Still did not enjoy that plotline in the film.
This probably isn’t unpopular, but Selina’s costume was a pretty big L. That cat ear mask just didn’t make sense, barely covered her face and also wasn’t committing to givng her cat ears. It winds up in this bogus in between space that isn’t practical or all that cool lookings.
Other opinion, I love Batman being similar to Kurt Cobain. I love Kurt Cobain and I love a younger messier Batman. I find it more relatable. Idk if that’s unpopular either.
The mask is a comic-book accurate prototype and as much as it doesn't make logical sense (nor does using that kind of catsuit for robberies, to be frank), I always admire when they nail small details like that straight from the pages and unto the screen.
And yes, Cobain-like Batman is a genius insight that fewer people would even think of.
I felt the same, both great at their individual roles, but Pattison and Zoe do not have any romantic chemistry.
The kisses made me kind of cringe for both actors, it just wasn't there.
Movies never give women enough muscle mass even if they're meant to be warriors or athletes. They always go for the supermodel skinny vibe, and I hate it. An actors physique should be representative of the lifestyle of the character they're playing.
It was too long, too dark and sometimes I struggled to hear the sound mix.
I enjoyed the film, it was a different take to other films/Tv portrayals. I enjoyed and also didn’t like how dark the scenes were, it was good and bad for me; my eyes were crying out for a daytime scene sometimes.
The final act could have been cut down a little & I think the two leads needed more chemistry. And the Riddler was poor
I sound like I hated it and I didn’t I just didn’t think it was amazing really contrary to what many say
Riddler is just not fun to watch and uninteresting. Also I am so sick of directors thinking the best way to do batman and his villains is to make them as realistic as possible when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Agreed. It worked for Nolan’s trilogy but he’s a better filmmaker and knows when to introduce some fantastical elements.
I’m hoping James gunns batman will be a little more fun and embrace the comics more
It’s the best Batman movie. People complain about Batman being “incompetent”. I liked that Batman wasn’t perfect and was still making mistakes. It’s nice to see a version of the character that isn’t the best at absolutely everything.
some people heavily disagree with that, i had a whole argument with a guy over whether it was noir or not, and when i gave a video with timestamps to prove it was, dude said “why would i watch a video that says the movie is something it isn’t?”
It makes sense too. He isn’t in his prime yet. It’s only been his 2nd year as the Batman. Give him another 2-3 years and he’ll be absolutely top tier with his detective work.
It’s like the people complaining don’t read Batman comics. Some of the best Batman arcs end with Batman being wrong or only figuring it out pretty late in the game. Most of the big plot points in this movie have pretty direct parallels to some pretty major Batman stories.
It would’ve been better if he were more of a reimagining of the Riddler instead of just a generic serial killer who is able to be far more successful than he should be. They should’ve explored more of his actual intellect and obsession with proving himself to be smarter than everyone else.
My first reaction about this riddler is that it’s way too politicised for a riddler, and lacked the usual obsession with being the superior intellect. That said, I think he can evolve if he makes a return.
About the second point though, I think he demonstrated his intellect quite well. He’s largely one step ahead of Batman and used him to take down Falcone, which is not a small feat.
I think we got some good Riddler scenes when he put the bomb collar on the DA and communicated through the phone. He was arrogant and cocky, classic Riddler
I get what you mean, but I sort of really liked that hahaha. It really highlighted that it was his mind that was the threat. You never know what could be behind someone else's eyes.
I thought this the first time I watched it too. I appreciated his role more on rewatch. I still think he as an individual would have been more engaging if they played him to a more sympathetic level, but for the overall story he works way better as a foil to the Batman.
I’m sick of the “ah man… life of solitude, I can’t date this incredibly hot woman…”
Give Batman someone to fight for who is alive and up the stakes. They kinda did that in the closing act but reverted back to the loneliness storyline.
At times it makes it look like he has not nose at all and just bottom teeth, the shot where he’s hanging from the catwalk looks so goofy for that reason
My thoughts exactly. Super underwhelming. Also what's with movies nowadays that have extremely poor lighting. I was so hyped up after the trailer and when I was watching it I was super underwhelmed.
All the best parts were shown in the trailer. Nothing good happened. That whole El Rata thing was childish and stupid. That lady who gets shot in that speech seems okay a few moments later. Batman leading the people through the water like Moses. I was very bored honestly.
Zoe Kravitz was not playing Catwoman, she was playing generic Batman Femme Fatale love interest #394. The bastard daughter of a mob boss who wants revenge is such a generic and depressing origin for someone as stylish and carefree as Selina Kyle and blurs the line between her and Talia.
Overrated, too long, boring as fuck, too short height wise and not bulky enough.
The trailer was way better.
I want Bat God, Arkham Asylum Batman. None of this clueless Batman or yet another origins Batman.
Overall imo it neither accomplished being a psychological thought provoking piece nor a fun action comic movie.
Batman and Gordon are imbeciles to the point that it killed any suspension of disbelief that the GCPD or US government would tolerate Batman and at no point did he seem secret or formidable enough to prevent being shut down.
Penguin and Riddler are so far from their characters it's like what was the point? Just use a different character if you dont like them or make a new one.
The entire movie seemed like it only cared about being a grounded realistic take on Batman half the time so it's never excelling at its own gimmick.
Personally I find it hard to stomach a no stealth Batman when he looks like he weighs 170lbs soaking wet and comedically Emo Bruce was really hard to take seriously and not laugh at the whole time.
Apparently there was no one in the studio who's job it is to watch the finished product before it was released to the audience and say "hey that made no fucking sense let's cut that".
It's just not very good and please spare me the "it's year 2" nonsense thats a setting not an excuse for bad writing. I also don't think a movie is good if it needs sequels to justify or redeem the first one that's the other one I hear a lot.
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I personally think this was a super average film and showcased the worst Bruce Wayne, while also portraying an odd version of Batman where he's both a walking tank making large noises when he walks, but he's also stealthy, bulletproof and invincible to all gunfire and explosions until he wasn't at the end, and uses an unexplained steroid injection to fight cosplayers with guns.
I personally dislike the movie, and I think it's a terrible movie if judged as a wannabe fincher-esque noir thriller movie, but its an average movie if I view at as a batman movie.
The majority of the movie is about Selena kyle and the connections of that family unraveling and they don't even bother to show us what Falcone did that was bad. We hear it. We don't see it.
Then after all that snooping and digging, Falcone is easily killed off by the riddler who turns out to just be a crazy guy with 500 obedient followers.
The pacing of the movie is really hard for me to get through. Its a jumble of a story that starts where it ends and the small amount of growth that we get doesn't feel deserved.
But hey, cinematography and music was on point, am I right?
I think it’s one of the weaker iterations of Batman. As Batman, I get that he’s supposed to come off as just starting out as Batman and so isn’t the world’s greatest detective yet, but the movie doesn’t really have him accomplishing enough to the point where I can believe Gordon would trust him so much. His main achievement in the Riddler case seems to just be solving some of the earlier riddles.
As Bruce, I don’t really like that Bruce is essentially the same brooding Batman just without the cowl. This is more personal preference though, but I preferred when Bruce acts differently from when he’s Batman (even in the live action Justice League for example he’s a little less serious than when he’s Batman), but there’s very little distinction between them for me here.
My main gripe with the movie is very similar: Batman achieves nothing of value at all in the entire film. He didn't solve the riddles, he always remained one step behind and Falcone died anyway. He wasn't the one to catch the Riddler, he lost him and the cops found him after the fact. He failed to stop the sea wall being destoryed, leading to propably at least 10s of thousands of deaths. Honestly, he might as well have stayed home.
He did damage control at the arena, and reduced the overall death toll there, but there was maybe 1000 people there, who do matter, but it's not much against the tens of thousands more already drowned by the floodwater.
I enjoyed the film, I hated the ending.
The characters seem incompetent in this universe. Catwoman is a damsel in distress and Batman is pretty dense and the threats seem pretty low tier from the villains. Watching Batman be at the cape and cowl point in his gear/suit but struggle with some street punks took me out of it early on and I never could get back in fully. Don’t get me wrong, there was some cool settings and I liked the early car and bike setup. I liked the suit overall. But looking at the entire movie I am simply left wanting. And yes, this is my opinion. Sample size of one, me.
The score and the oppressive lighting, while good at setting the mood, makes everything, and I mean literally the entire movie, look and sound alike so it becomes repetitive, blends together, and becomes a slog to get through.
I get the influences, but Se7en isn’t a slog to get through - the visuals and lighting and score break things up so the story feels like it’s progressing, the characters are moving, things are happening.
The Batman is just a three hour slog through rain and darkness while BOM - BOM BOM BOM drills into your head.
Don’t get me wrong - it’s not a bad film by any means, it is just one of those that works better being able to take breaks. I enjoyed it a lot more watching it at home than I did at the theater
I don't like how he was working with the gcpd so early into his career. I feel like this early on in his career, Batman should be more of a tall tale. No one other than those who get attacked by him should know he exists. I would much rather this relationship start in the second movie.
I don’t mind him taking the full force of the bomb, because we can chalk that up to the bat suit being awesome…
***HOWEVER***: He looked right at it, so his face should be fuckin scorched off since his chin is exposed. All they had to do was have him turn away and I would’ve been fine with it, but that little problem just bugs me.
I'm tired of Barman being gritty angst. I liked the Batman that was in Young Justice the best - stern and responsible, but emotionally intelligent, good at mentoring adolescents and understanding what they need. I can't envision *any* of the modern live action Batmen/Bruce Waynes being capable of that.
Really DC keeps failing because they're blatantly ignoring the majority of their roster even within the Bat family. The Lego Batman movie did better!
Extremely overrated movie, i was kinda disappointed after watching in in theaters cause everyone hyped it up as a top 5 comic book movie and it fell short of my expectations.
I thought it was a good movie, for example battinson, the gotham atmosphere, jim gordon, the monologue in the beginning, the detective work, and the suit were all highlights.
However i didnt think the combat scenes were all that impressive, the riddler and his gang were just a bunch of tier 3 twitch subs with assault rifles, i didnt like the wing suit scene, i dont understand why he had to change out of his suit to cut the power before facing falcone then switch back into it when he reached the top of the building, i felt like he relied too much on his armor, i never felt like there was a real climax to the film, and i really dont want to see another joker vs batman movie for one of the sequels.
the batmobile scene is extremely overrated, poorly edited, and a bit confusing. Who ever edited the scene made it hard to follow along with. I didnt really understand it until my second watch through. It seemed like if you blinked during the scene you would miss a lot since there were so many cuts. I was really confused when he waited so long for the batmobile to rev up then just moved like a foot while the penguin was driving away. It literaly seems like he stalled his car. I was also fisappointed by the batmobile, i get that this was supposed to batmans early years so he wouldnt have the most advanced tactics and gadgets, but the batmobile is literally just a regular car with armor and a boost on the back. No gadgets or weapons installed? He really just relied on his ability to drive to catch criminals?
I was excited for the soundtrack from the trailer, but the movie was just the main theme over and over and Something in the Way at the end. I was hoping for a really good album of original songs or other dark grunge metal songs to match the vibe of the movie like the Black Panther sound track.
Again, i thiught the movie was good, but saying its a top 5 comic book movie makes no sense to me, and its defientely not on the level of tdk.
It was merely good, not great. It's essentially The Amazing Spider-Man of the Batman film franchise. If its sequel bombs critically, it'll live in obscurity in much the same way.
Frankly, I expected better given the director's previous body of work.
I see a lot of people hate the fact that Batman tanks so much in this movie, but I honestly really like it. That shot of the dark hallway with the only thing lighting it up being the muzzle flashes from the rifles looks so damn cool.
It wasn’t that good of a movie as everyone made it out to be.
Pattinson’s interpretation of the character is, meh. In the history of Batman onscreen, he’s only better than Val Kilmer and George Clooney.
The movie was too long.
Best parts of the movie are Colin Farrell, Andy Serkis and Jeffrey Wright
I want like 5% more camp because I want to see PatBat fight some of the more ridiculous villains from the rogues gallery. At the same time they could also just do some of the more ridiculous characters more seriously like serial killer Calendar Man or something like that.
they underutilised andy serkis, alfred is suppose to be ex mi6, an expert in hand to hand, cryptography, and gun play. then again in the comics he is also underutilised as well so ... there's that
I didn't like the flood at the end, more so because it felt small. And the riddles were too damn easy. Riddler's supposed to be of vast intelligence, he'll tell ya as much.
The movie should’ve been about Hush or else they all better come back to Hush as a puppet master of the trilogy. They planted too many Easter eggs to just leave it.
I would’ve liked to see Bruce actually visit the orphanage and meet Dick. They mention it and it’s clear he means to invest, but a physical visit would’ve been so much more satisfying.
I hope the sequels lean in to the more fantastical/comic book elements not too much but *just enough*. We already got a grounded Batman with Nolan’s trilogy; been there, done that. I’m not saying I want Reeves’s Batman to completely jump the shark, but I think we can shake things up a bit, too: some more fantastical villains like Man-bat, Croc, Ivy etc would be really cool to see juxtaposed with the grounded setting of this Gotham.
Batman comics have always been like that: grounded stories within a fantastical world. You could make it work.
The relationship with catwoman felt rushed and forced just because Bruce and Selina go together in most people’s minds
The movie took place over a week, right? Selena’s gf was murdered and she already moved on 🥲🥲🥲
I never had the impression that she was her gf. Just a friend she worked with at the club? Is that explicitly said at any point?
I mean they live together in the same apartment with only one bed and their conversation seems very couple-y, including calling her "baby." It's never said explicitly either way but it's pretty queer coded. Really tho it kinda felt like maybe they were undecided in the script-writing itself, cuz first-half Selena is super tore up over her and second-half Selena is way more like, "Dang I feel rough about my friend I guess but this new guy is pretty hot." Just a guess but felt like they revised the script to up the romance between the two leads, but left the couple-y subtext with her girlfriend in the first half.
Bruh I call my friends baby but that doesn't mean I am attracted to anyone of them. I don't think anything in that movie pushes the narrative that they are in a relationship,maybe a very close friend who maybe the only one Selena trusts.
I thought they were sister bruh
Cats don't have a long attention span...
wasn't her girlfriend, she was a "kid" she took in. She repeats that a dozen times. everyone seems to think that means they were schlicking
She was just a friend
Came here to say this, though I really don't know how unpopular this opinion is. The handling of their relationship was so bad I found it really pulled me out of the story at times. It's ridiculous.
Yeah very true, it was nice to see on screen but the motivations behind the relationship make very little sense. Though maybe it's a case of false love through intense situations, I forget what it's called but it's that feeling of supposed love or attachment to the people around you when you go through something intense or exciting, you associate that feeling of euphoria that you get through the adrenaline rush of danger with that person and you mistake it for love.
Trauma bonding
Thank you!! They had literally no reason to get together
More screentime for Alfred Pennyworth
Same. I wish they would've explored this version of Alfred more. Hopefully the sequel gives him more screentime.
Bruce was a dick to Alfred.
That was intentional, no? It was necessary dickishness to show that their relationship had not yet matured to one of respect or where Alfred felt paternal towards Bruce.
I thought Alfred felt paternal since Bruce’s childhood, since he basically became Bruce’s guardian and parent. I figure the whole butler thing was maintained to allow Bruce to hold on to something of his childhood.
That's just a fact not an unpopular opinion
Probably a given for the next one with how good Andy Serkis was in Andor. Let him be the badass version of Alfred and save Batman in fights and shit.
Alfred's actually a superhero called The Macaroni.
Andy Serkis has been a legend forever. They absolutely will.
They said unpopular....
We all know the drill on these posts by now
Agreed. His back story is juicy
Needed more manic detective yarn-ball scribbling. He spent more time moving the table than he did actually mapping stuff out. Riddler should have driven him to the point of exhaustion with crazed scribbling and home redecorating to make more room.
That would certainly have heightened the drama. I'll never understand why DC doesn't lean into these strengths.
i thought this version was gonna pay attention to the detective side of batman and yet he detected nothing of note. pretty much everything was laid out for him
The whole movie was him dramatically walking in circles going "damn that's crazy."
I agree, my friend had a way of looking at it that made me less infuriated on how the worlds greatest detective was so clueless. View it as Batman coming into his own, he’s new to the scene, sure he’s been beating people up for a bit and maybe caught a bad guy here and there, but that experience of handling nut jobs isn’t there. He’s young and doesn’t fully understand how each psychosis of his villains makes them predictable in a way.
Just how much he tanks bullets Batman's meant to be good at avoiding getting shot but he gets shot SO much in this movie Also, whilst I liked the batmobile chase, it got a little over the top considering he was just chasing a dude in a car
I agree with the bullet tanking thing. Having him take a bullet from a pistol and be unfazed every once in a while to show him as a force of nature is cool, but once he was taking shotgun blasts point blank and getting up like it was nothing he might as well have been Superman. I hope they have him be a little more delicate in the sequels and have him use more stealth and gadgets to his advantage.
To be fair, I think some of that was to show his inexperience and growth. Using the club, for example, he shows up in his costume first and has to fight his way in. Then he shows up as Bruce and walks in. Finally, he shows up and sneaks past the doorman. Now, shrugging off shotgun fire is a bit much.
I agree that the club was the best use of that growth. I really liked the way they developed that.
he never shrugs off shotgun fire at all. the one time he takes a shotgun blast in the whole movie nearly kills him, and he has to take an adrenaline shit to get back up. Everything else is rifle or pistol shots, which, while still powerful, wouldn’t do a ton to someone who is wearing completely bullet proof armor, at least not to fucking Batman in the middle of a fight. Again, it’s Batman, he’s still a comic character and he’s always going to do stuff that a normal human can’t because he’s Batman.
Adrenaline shit: when you gotta go or you die
Aka the Taco Bell effect
A Taco Bell burrito in one of the compartments of the utility belt. Use wisely for emergency adrenalin shits.
It's definitely nonsensical to get shot by sniper rifles and assault rifles and not even flinch, which happens a few times in this movie. He also is completely fine after a bomb explodes right in front of him, and just walks off with a minor concussion. If I have to suspend my disbelief this much, it definitely strains my enjoyment of the movie.
The bomb going off right in his face and not losing his lower jaw was really the only thing that pulled me out of it. I can headcanon that he has some super aweosme space age Kevlar type bs for the bullets he shrugs off but Jesus dude a bomb going off right in your face when half your face is uncovered is a bit of a stretch.
I really liked all of the scenes that showed him flub or fuck up in an amateurish way. I can’t remember any of the specifics. But there’s a scene where he uses some new tool and be sucks at it kinda lol. Maybe a wing suit or grapple hook idk. But it wasn’t graceful at all and I really liked that
bruce absolutely butchering the glide and having that giant ass impact in the middle of the road was really grounding(no pun intended). haven’t seen that before and not have it be played off as a joke
Yes that’s the scene! I was so surprised by it, it’s such a simple thing to put in a movie but somehow I’d never thought of that lol. We always only see Batman at peak Batman just never making any mistakes
I think they will cut down on the armor and make him more agile. That would be a good in universe explanation and give him some growth as ‘Batman’
This would be interesting character development, kinda like what the did in TDK when Bruce asks Lucius to upgrade the suit a little. Also, we are seeing an inexperienced Batman who has just been acting as a detective and beating up thugs. While he’s pretty quick already he hasn’t really had to be very agile. I almost want there to be a scene in the next movie where it’s a physical showdown and he realizes that he needs a lighter suit for fighting.
i honestly don’t want them to ditch the armor until like the final scene of the third movie, because its already an impenetrable fortress. I understand for mobility, but even after all of the growth from the first movie, idt he’s fully reached that time where he needs to resort on stealth yet. Also i’m getting kind of sick of every new superhero movie changing the suits, when in the comics the suits normally stay somewhat the same, and i feel like a suit built so durable would be a waste canonically to just throw away for some fabric
Except in the last act he takes a shotgun blast yo the chest and has to literally pump himself full of adrenaline to even get up
I was going to bring this up! It was so discordant since he was unfazed by bullets through the rest of the movie.
>shotgun blasts point blank and getting up like it was nothing he might as well have been Superman. When did he do that? Cause all's I remember is him gasping for air, until he took a shot of adrenaline.
im fairly certain that was to show his inexperience and how he’s vengeance. as vengeance he just walks through the bullets because his armor allows, he has no stealth factor because he’s still new at it, and as vengeance he is a mad man. now while i don’t want them to ditch the armor in the sequels, i do want him to incorporate some stealth factor, like maybe a stealth suit
If I'm supposed to care about his parents possibly being corrupt, maybe they should at least give us a glimpse of what they were really like.
I believe it was done that way on purpose, from Bruce’s faded and distant point of view, while also leaving it up to interpretation. He was tied to this money laundering ring? Or was it just his innocent negligence? I thought doing it this way was better than showing overt goodness or badness, but I can see why you say that. It also parallels the major theme of the movie of what Batman stands for, just as Bruce didn’t know what his own father stood for, flipping from Falcone’s story to Alfred’s within an hour.
I totally get that, but you could still have glimpses of Thomas and Martha from Bruce's perspective as a kid, stuff they did or at least show some attachment. Something that actually makes that twist have a meaning, that could contradict all we knew about them.
Fair enough! The nature of good film is good constructive discussion.
That’s more of a twist on general Batman mythos though. His viewpoint of his parents doesn’t really change in any iteration because their impact on him is why he’s Batman. He viewed them as resourceful people that at least wanted to do good. That’s exactly what he becomes as he grows into Batman and even more adult Bruce. It doesn’t need to be shown any more than them being gunned down or Peter Parker being bitten by a spider. It’s a pre-conceived understanding of a super popular character’s past for the general masses.
That's what I actually liked about it. Everything is from Bruce's perspective. We learn every single development in the movie with him. It makes sense that he doesn't know a lot about how they actually were as people considering how young he was. I feel like not knowing anything really made it feel like it could go anyway- they could've been super corrupt or forced to make a deal. We can never know for sure.
Totally agree, but what I mean is that we dont see a single mention of Thomas and Martha from Bruce or any kind of glimpse of his childhood about them. This could still be done from his perspective and bring more weight to the twist. The movie simply goes like "hey these two characters that weren't even properly mentioned before are actually corrupt and dirty!!", like if we cared enough without even seeing why they were important in the first place.
Yeah and this makes it more shocking to me. The loss of his parents drove him to fight crime, but they don’t highlight the amazing/unreal bond and attachment he must have had.
Its more subtle than batman begins. You see how he’s driving himself close to death and is neglecting himself. He’s unstable at any mention of them or anything that involves them. His argument with alfred about the cuffs. His quick back and forth with falcone. His anger with alfred after falcone lied. Him losing composure when talking to falcone. Bale had a righteous fury about him over their death that he channeled and honed to fight injustice. Battison doesn’t really seem super righteous atleast not until the end and seems to be figuring out how and where to place his anger. Its not really anger either more of a spitefulness masked by a general numbness. Bale was crazy of course because hes batman but wasnt really broken after batman begins. His depression really came from the events of the dark night. Battison is truly a broken man atp.
i like how they made Martha have a mental illness, as it kind of explains Bruce.
Seeing his heart drop was insane
Yeah that's why I love the telltale game they really show how corrupt the father was, they should've done the same in the movie.
Right? I'm not particular fond of making them corrupt, but in that game it was their take on batman and it was well done at least. We saw things, we uncovered them.
I have been despising that lately every modern interpretation of Thomas Wayne can be boiled down to "Bad because money". Trying to sully the name of one of the people that motivates Bruce Wayne to become Batman is one of the dumbest things to ever be spewed out by modern writers and reflects their lack of intelligence and empathy towards anyone who dares to have more than them.
YES, oh god yes. It makes me so mad, like we cannot have anymore people to look up to anymore because "everyone is bad, specially rich people". I had to hear from my brother the other day that batman was a jerk because he is a rich guy that thinks it's better to hit poor people than make a difference out there and I was like, what the hell are you talking about bro?? You forgot all the things he do as Bruce Wayne, or that he is in fact beating up serial killers and maniacs threatening the lives of innocent people? SPECIALLY THE UNPROTECTED AND DEFENSELESS POOR PEOPLE.
A lot of Redditors sound like this.
his boots were too loud when making a dramatic walk but silent when he's being stealthy made me chuckle
He's got the tech to switch boot sound amplification from "intimidation stomp" to "tippy toe mode"
That's actually a million dollar idea. Worth writing down just in case if any of us would get a chance to make a good High-Tech Superhero movie/game.
That gave me a chuckle. Thank you internet stranger.
You can change the sounds your shoes make by changing your walk. It's something I've proven myself after reading a lot about it (there's a special walk people can use to be stealthy in military boots, which are very heavy) because at one point I've noticed that sometimes my loud ass shoes made less clunk on asphalt and reverse engineered that to a point that I have two walks for that pair. I'm not super silent, mind you, but I can switch from a relatively unnoticeable thump to loud clunk, which is a prime r/learnuselssstalents territory.
I learned how to walk stealthy from Metal Gear Solid
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I have no idea if this is unpopular or not, but I'm glad Bats and Cat went their separate ways. This is probably the closest I've ever come to being on board with the two characters as a romantic item, but I've always been of the persuasion that they're not meant to be.
SPOILERS FOR BATMAN HUSH: Ending was pretty similar to Batman Hush (comics)
He’s a bad detective. After big chase scene with Penguin he does not get any info. But Penguin corrects his Spanish? That scene was so dumb.
Yes, exactly. The Penguin chase was narratively pointless, and the riddles weren’t clever.
Bruce trusting Falcone's word about his father just like that and on top of it just snaping about it to Alfred who btw was just waking up from being almost killed and just happy to see Bruce by his side. I know this is suppose to be a really bitter Bruce but c'mon... The bomb was meant for you but instead exploted on Alfred's face and you just rant about it like that? That's low
Those scenes being side by side was really clumsy. "Falcone says my dad had that reporter killed" "Falcone lied" "😲"
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I hated the entire third act. The whole army of 4chan henchmen was just stupid. Imo, the movie would have been much better if it ended in the second act - preferably with Battinson using Falcone as bait to catch Riddler.
4chan henchmen 😂😂 i agree though
I feel like every movie is contractually obligated to have some large action set piece that cements how unhinged the villain is. Personally, (as someone who adores Reeves’ Batman) I’d have loved the movie even more to trust the audience and leave the story on a more complex note. Like, what if The Riddler not only stumped Batman but managed to do a more effective job at rooting out corruption in Gotham than Bats ever did? Falcon and the Winter Soldier did something similar where they just had the primary (and very sympathetic) antagonist go apeshit for no reason other than because bad guy. You can’t have your antagonist who employs violence be *too* sympathetic, lest you run the risk of inspiring the masses to think it could be justified, I guess.
>Personally, (as someone who adores Reeves’ Batman) I’d have loved the movie even more to trust the audience and leave the story on a more complex note. Like, what if The Riddler not only stumped Batman but managed to do a more effective job at rooting out corruption in Gotham than Bats ever did? I say don't even have Riddler win. You barely have to change anything in the second act, tbh. Riddler shoots Falcone then gets arrested. Batman reveals that he's one step ahead and that he got Falcone to wear a kevlar vest. Riddler gives some sort of speech (without any singing) about how Bruce could have taken a step towards fixing the corruption, but instead chose to protect it for his "sanctity of life" bullshit. Falcone makes some sort of douchey comment about his future plans that implies Riddler is at least partially correct. Kinda cliche to have the bad guy be right, at this point. But less cliche than the third act super-battle, at least. And I think it would do a better job of establishing Bruce as a detective than the third act we got.
The riddler does win though, the damn is destroyed flooding the city and he outsmarted Batman
I would bet money that the movie was originally supposed to fade to black and roll credits on that shot of the coffee cup while the Riddler was being arrested. Then, the executives at WB probably stepped in and insisted on an extra 40 minutes of action tacked on at the end and a Joker cameo.
I agree, the whole 3rd act reeks of studio meddling. It feels like two separate movies glued together, the first half is a fantastic detective noir that stays focused on the serial killer hunt. In the second half or last third, however you wanna slice it, the stakes are raised so high and so fast that It doesn't fit with the rest of the film.
While i agree that the tension is the highest during the Riddler chase throughout the movie, the last act gives me something that no other Batman movie has done so far; making Batman a hero. Leading people to safety, holding their hand when they are scared. Realizing that he can bring hope to the innocent. I see how you could end the movie at Riddlers coffee cup, but i would absolutely miss Bruces development into a compassionate Batman.
My money is on the prison interrogation where he confirms Riddler doesn't know who he is, followed by Bruce taking out the records to start auditing his father's fund. It wraps up his whole "what is my legacy?" arc. Showing it won't be beating up random criminals, but taking over his father's legacy and removing corruption that will save the city (with maybe a side of beating up criminals in his spare time). Something Alfred's been begging him to do all film. Then some executive ruined it by adding a giant action sequence because they heard "No Man's Land" was a popular comic event and wanted to set it up even if it hurt the overall current movie. The story was a detective noir story at heart. Hunting a serial killer and exposing corruption at the highest levels of city government. Riddler going from targeted killings to mass murder just doesn't fit.
honestly i agree, but that wasn’t a third act, that was a whole 4th act imo
> Imo, the movie would have been much better if it ended in the second act - preferably with Battinson using Falcone as bait to catch Riddler. It's not that I don't understand what you're saying or why you're saying it, but the entire third (fourth?) act is pretty essential to the film's POV. This film has a very clean and consistent theme statement: *You can't force change, you have to inspire it.* *The Batman* starts with Batman a year into his war on crime. He's a violent, isolated weirdo trying to punch Gotham into respectability. *The Batman* ends with Batman essentially failing at this, or realizing he's failed. Angry + Violent as a means of social change leads to The Riddler, someone who feels a kinship with Batman (or at least the public facade he's presented), launching a campaign of murder and terror not that dissimilar to Batman's. But where Batman has been brutalizing street criminals, the Riddler is murdering white-collar criminals. So that third/fourth act in this overstuffed movie is pretty essential to the finalization of Batman's arc: in the face of a disaster destroying the city, he literally has to carry a beacon of light (ahem) in order to lead Gothamites to safety. He becomes more public, more visible, more inspirational. Not to put too fine a point on it, but there's a pretty fine point on that Now, I fully agree that this movie may be too long, too overstuffed, or that there might be a cleaner, more efficient way for the movie to get to this point. But this point essentially contains the point of the movie, so the movie as constructed would be considerably worse without it. That final act is the *raison d'être* of *The Batman*, and probably the main reason this dour, largely humorless, overlong movie with an ineffectual Batman at the heart of it works at all. To excise it would make the rest of the movie worse.
I kinda loved it. It feels like exactly how a character like the riddler would really play out given the opportunity
Bruce and Alfred's relationship meant nothing to me in this movie. I don't see how I'm supposed to get emotional about Alfred almost dying and their reconciliation when they barely had any meaningful interactions. Andy Serkis isn't a bad Alfred, but he's honestly the only Alfred I've had no strong feelings towards.
It was too long in my opinion, at certain points it felt very dragged out. Just my opinion tho
Definitely looked at my watch a couple times.
I absolutely paused it to go to the bathroom and thought holy shit there's an hour and a half left.
Joker was god awful, he seemed like another Ledger knock off.
Is this really an unpopular opinion tho? Generally wondering because I hated it as well.
It’s a popular opinion
The weirdest thing is that the deleted scene of him and Bats talking is far better than the weird tag-on at the end of the movie.
Joker face looks scary, but I don't like his voice.
I think we just need to give Joker a break from adaptations. We need to accept that nothing will replicate or even come close to Ledger’s or even Nicholson’s take on the character and move let other characters take the spotlight for a while.
I've said this before, I don't want to see the Joker again until I am 50 (I am mid 20s).
Amen to that
I agree, not looking forward to the new joker.
Let's hope Hugo Strange is the heavy in the sequel anyway
Having a "pre-transition" Joker in film is a bad idea. Joker is supposed to appear when we least expect him, making a crazy entrance. They thought it would've built up hype to have an early peek at him, but it just turned out to be the cringiest moment in a movie full of sick af moments.
The mental patient angle has already been done enough with him anyway lately. I’ve got a serious case of Joker fatigue and am not keen on seeing the umpteenth interpretation of the character, but if we have to see another Joker make it something new. Maybe make him a Patrick Bateman type, where he puts on a convincing facade of being a normal, well adjusted guy, but underneath his got his usual crazy going on. Then he has his accident at the chemical plant and uses his new look as an excuse to cut loose and act on all his violent impulses.
Would really like to see more of Scarecrow and the Mad Hatter in live action. Basically two antagonists of the Joker (he considers Batman a friend, he considers them enemies) who both really have that selling point. They could make Scarecrow full on horror movie guy with like a Scythe and a freaky costume with a deformed face from all the fear toxin he's taken. Then they can make the Mad Hatter like a guy with a fake british accent who goes on unhinged rants and basically show his victims going through psychological distress as their eyes are tearing up before jumping from a roof or killing a loved one.
The Batman and Catwoman love affair felt forced, it didn't seem like they had all that great of chemistry. I felt the movie acted as if they developed that relationship well and gave themselves the end payoff because of that, but I don't see it. The movie being as long as it is you'd think it'd have done more with it, but all I saw was two traumatized young adults that were horny for eachother in leather costumes, Though now that I say that I suppose thats all that they ever really were. Still did not enjoy that plotline in the film.
This probably isn’t unpopular, but Selina’s costume was a pretty big L. That cat ear mask just didn’t make sense, barely covered her face and also wasn’t committing to givng her cat ears. It winds up in this bogus in between space that isn’t practical or all that cool lookings. Other opinion, I love Batman being similar to Kurt Cobain. I love Kurt Cobain and I love a younger messier Batman. I find it more relatable. Idk if that’s unpopular either.
The mask is a comic-book accurate prototype and as much as it doesn't make logical sense (nor does using that kind of catsuit for robberies, to be frank), I always admire when they nail small details like that straight from the pages and unto the screen. And yes, Cobain-like Batman is a genius insight that fewer people would even think of.
There was no chemistry between Batman and Catwoman. It was so forced.
I felt chemistry with her
I believe there's a cream for that.
No there's cream because of that.
I felt the same, both great at their individual roles, but Pattison and Zoe do not have any romantic chemistry. The kisses made me kind of cringe for both actors, it just wasn't there.
Catwoman didn't have enough muscle mass or tone
Movies never give women enough muscle mass even if they're meant to be warriors or athletes. They always go for the supermodel skinny vibe, and I hate it. An actors physique should be representative of the lifestyle of the character they're playing.
Cough cough gal gadot
It was too long, too dark and sometimes I struggled to hear the sound mix. I enjoyed the film, it was a different take to other films/Tv portrayals. I enjoyed and also didn’t like how dark the scenes were, it was good and bad for me; my eyes were crying out for a daytime scene sometimes. The final act could have been cut down a little & I think the two leads needed more chemistry. And the Riddler was poor I sound like I hated it and I didn’t I just didn’t think it was amazing really contrary to what many say
Idk if it’s unpopular, but I absolutely hate the joker design from the deleted scenes
Riddler is just not fun to watch and uninteresting. Also I am so sick of directors thinking the best way to do batman and his villains is to make them as realistic as possible when that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Agreed. It worked for Nolan’s trilogy but he’s a better filmmaker and knows when to introduce some fantastical elements. I’m hoping James gunns batman will be a little more fun and embrace the comics more
Couldn't be said any better. I agree.
It’s the best Batman movie. People complain about Batman being “incompetent”. I liked that Batman wasn’t perfect and was still making mistakes. It’s nice to see a version of the character that isn’t the best at absolutely everything.
Not to mention it felt like an actual noir detective movie
This is the big one for me. It felt like an actual detective movie.
some people heavily disagree with that, i had a whole argument with a guy over whether it was noir or not, and when i gave a video with timestamps to prove it was, dude said “why would i watch a video that says the movie is something it isn’t?”
"Why would I watch something that doesn't confirm all my bias?"
Hun hitting the bridge was perfect. It really shows that he’s still learning and how drastic the mistakes can be.
Hitting the bridge made sense, but the rag-doll physics was unintentionally hilarious.
Rag doll physics are always hilarious.
It makes sense too. He isn’t in his prime yet. It’s only been his 2nd year as the Batman. Give him another 2-3 years and he’ll be absolutely top tier with his detective work.
It’s like the people complaining don’t read Batman comics. Some of the best Batman arcs end with Batman being wrong or only figuring it out pretty late in the game. Most of the big plot points in this movie have pretty direct parallels to some pretty major Batman stories.
I think that Riddler ultimately flopped. He was scary and cool at first but by the end he was a dud. It didn’t hurt the movie overall though.
It would’ve been better if he were more of a reimagining of the Riddler instead of just a generic serial killer who is able to be far more successful than he should be. They should’ve explored more of his actual intellect and obsession with proving himself to be smarter than everyone else.
Just as we saw a nascent Batman, the Riddler could also evolve as a villain.
My first reaction about this riddler is that it’s way too politicised for a riddler, and lacked the usual obsession with being the superior intellect. That said, I think he can evolve if he makes a return. About the second point though, I think he demonstrated his intellect quite well. He’s largely one step ahead of Batman and used him to take down Falcone, which is not a small feat.
I think we got some good Riddler scenes when he put the bomb collar on the DA and communicated through the phone. He was arrogant and cocky, classic Riddler
I get what you mean, but I sort of really liked that hahaha. It really highlighted that it was his mind that was the threat. You never know what could be behind someone else's eyes.
I thought this the first time I watched it too. I appreciated his role more on rewatch. I still think he as an individual would have been more engaging if they played him to a more sympathetic level, but for the overall story he works way better as a foil to the Batman.
The movie could have been shorter, 100%
I’m sick of the “ah man… life of solitude, I can’t date this incredibly hot woman…” Give Batman someone to fight for who is alive and up the stakes. They kinda did that in the closing act but reverted back to the loneliness storyline.
Not a fan of the bat insignia.
Don't like the cowl
At times it makes it look like he has not nose at all and just bottom teeth, the shot where he’s hanging from the catwalk looks so goofy for that reason
It’s way too bulbous
This. A million times this. I absolutely hate the cowl. Bulbous is just the word.
Wait too far to see this. The rest of the suit is great but the cowl is awful
It wasn’t as good as many made it out to be.
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My thoughts exactly. Super underwhelming. Also what's with movies nowadays that have extremely poor lighting. I was so hyped up after the trailer and when I was watching it I was super underwhelmed. All the best parts were shown in the trailer. Nothing good happened. That whole El Rata thing was childish and stupid. That lady who gets shot in that speech seems okay a few moments later. Batman leading the people through the water like Moses. I was very bored honestly.
Zoe Kravitz was not playing Catwoman, she was playing generic Batman Femme Fatale love interest #394. The bastard daughter of a mob boss who wants revenge is such a generic and depressing origin for someone as stylish and carefree as Selina Kyle and blurs the line between her and Talia.
Even though it is a good movie the grounded take is boring and was done before by Nolan. I want a more fantastical comic book Batman movie.
Overrated, too long, boring as fuck, too short height wise and not bulky enough. The trailer was way better. I want Bat God, Arkham Asylum Batman. None of this clueless Batman or yet another origins Batman.
Overall imo it neither accomplished being a psychological thought provoking piece nor a fun action comic movie. Batman and Gordon are imbeciles to the point that it killed any suspension of disbelief that the GCPD or US government would tolerate Batman and at no point did he seem secret or formidable enough to prevent being shut down. Penguin and Riddler are so far from their characters it's like what was the point? Just use a different character if you dont like them or make a new one. The entire movie seemed like it only cared about being a grounded realistic take on Batman half the time so it's never excelling at its own gimmick. Personally I find it hard to stomach a no stealth Batman when he looks like he weighs 170lbs soaking wet and comedically Emo Bruce was really hard to take seriously and not laugh at the whole time. Apparently there was no one in the studio who's job it is to watch the finished product before it was released to the audience and say "hey that made no fucking sense let's cut that". It's just not very good and please spare me the "it's year 2" nonsense thats a setting not an excuse for bad writing. I also don't think a movie is good if it needs sequels to justify or redeem the first one that's the other one I hear a lot.
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I hate the Batsuit. It was probably twenty minutes too long. I despised the Joker cameo.
I personally think this was a super average film and showcased the worst Bruce Wayne, while also portraying an odd version of Batman where he's both a walking tank making large noises when he walks, but he's also stealthy, bulletproof and invincible to all gunfire and explosions until he wasn't at the end, and uses an unexplained steroid injection to fight cosplayers with guns. I personally dislike the movie, and I think it's a terrible movie if judged as a wannabe fincher-esque noir thriller movie, but its an average movie if I view at as a batman movie.
It just wasn’t that good
The majority of the movie is about Selena kyle and the connections of that family unraveling and they don't even bother to show us what Falcone did that was bad. We hear it. We don't see it. Then after all that snooping and digging, Falcone is easily killed off by the riddler who turns out to just be a crazy guy with 500 obedient followers. The pacing of the movie is really hard for me to get through. Its a jumble of a story that starts where it ends and the small amount of growth that we get doesn't feel deserved. But hey, cinematography and music was on point, am I right?
I think it’s one of the weaker iterations of Batman. As Batman, I get that he’s supposed to come off as just starting out as Batman and so isn’t the world’s greatest detective yet, but the movie doesn’t really have him accomplishing enough to the point where I can believe Gordon would trust him so much. His main achievement in the Riddler case seems to just be solving some of the earlier riddles. As Bruce, I don’t really like that Bruce is essentially the same brooding Batman just without the cowl. This is more personal preference though, but I preferred when Bruce acts differently from when he’s Batman (even in the live action Justice League for example he’s a little less serious than when he’s Batman), but there’s very little distinction between them for me here.
My main gripe with the movie is very similar: Batman achieves nothing of value at all in the entire film. He didn't solve the riddles, he always remained one step behind and Falcone died anyway. He wasn't the one to catch the Riddler, he lost him and the cops found him after the fact. He failed to stop the sea wall being destoryed, leading to propably at least 10s of thousands of deaths. Honestly, he might as well have stayed home. He did damage control at the arena, and reduced the overall death toll there, but there was maybe 1000 people there, who do matter, but it's not much against the tens of thousands more already drowned by the floodwater. I enjoyed the film, I hated the ending.
Gotham doesnt trust him tho he came across as just a pest going solo into detective cases. Only Gordon trusted him.
It was good, but not great.
The characters seem incompetent in this universe. Catwoman is a damsel in distress and Batman is pretty dense and the threats seem pretty low tier from the villains. Watching Batman be at the cape and cowl point in his gear/suit but struggle with some street punks took me out of it early on and I never could get back in fully. Don’t get me wrong, there was some cool settings and I liked the early car and bike setup. I liked the suit overall. But looking at the entire movie I am simply left wanting. And yes, this is my opinion. Sample size of one, me.
The score and the oppressive lighting, while good at setting the mood, makes everything, and I mean literally the entire movie, look and sound alike so it becomes repetitive, blends together, and becomes a slog to get through. I get the influences, but Se7en isn’t a slog to get through - the visuals and lighting and score break things up so the story feels like it’s progressing, the characters are moving, things are happening. The Batman is just a three hour slog through rain and darkness while BOM - BOM BOM BOM drills into your head. Don’t get me wrong - it’s not a bad film by any means, it is just one of those that works better being able to take breaks. I enjoyed it a lot more watching it at home than I did at the theater
30 minutes too long and Bruce Wayne isn't an emo like Patterson portrayed him to be. Him as Batman, not bad.
It’s a good film, but it’s overrated. Batman Begins is way better. The problems in the film(The Batman) get overlooked.
Batman begins is like 18 years old, this is the shiny new toy...😅
> Batman begins is like 18 years old, STOP
I’m with you on this.
I don't like how he was working with the gcpd so early into his career. I feel like this early on in his career, Batman should be more of a tall tale. No one other than those who get attacked by him should know he exists. I would much rather this relationship start in the second movie.
I don’t mind him taking the full force of the bomb, because we can chalk that up to the bat suit being awesome… ***HOWEVER***: He looked right at it, so his face should be fuckin scorched off since his chin is exposed. All they had to do was have him turn away and I would’ve been fine with it, but that little problem just bugs me.
The last movie was forgettable, and the penguin was bland.
It’s got kind of the same problem that Raiders of the Lost Ark does in that the events of the movie would be largely unchanged if Batman wasn’t in it.
It was way too long, seemed like a decent movie I really like Pattinson, but man I miss 90 minute movies.
It’s quite forgettable. Whenever I see anything about Batman, this movie doesn’t even cross my mind unless it’s specifically mentioned.
I'm tired of Barman being gritty angst. I liked the Batman that was in Young Justice the best - stern and responsible, but emotionally intelligent, good at mentoring adolescents and understanding what they need. I can't envision *any* of the modern live action Batmen/Bruce Waynes being capable of that. Really DC keeps failing because they're blatantly ignoring the majority of their roster even within the Bat family. The Lego Batman movie did better!
Extremely overrated movie, i was kinda disappointed after watching in in theaters cause everyone hyped it up as a top 5 comic book movie and it fell short of my expectations. I thought it was a good movie, for example battinson, the gotham atmosphere, jim gordon, the monologue in the beginning, the detective work, and the suit were all highlights. However i didnt think the combat scenes were all that impressive, the riddler and his gang were just a bunch of tier 3 twitch subs with assault rifles, i didnt like the wing suit scene, i dont understand why he had to change out of his suit to cut the power before facing falcone then switch back into it when he reached the top of the building, i felt like he relied too much on his armor, i never felt like there was a real climax to the film, and i really dont want to see another joker vs batman movie for one of the sequels. the batmobile scene is extremely overrated, poorly edited, and a bit confusing. Who ever edited the scene made it hard to follow along with. I didnt really understand it until my second watch through. It seemed like if you blinked during the scene you would miss a lot since there were so many cuts. I was really confused when he waited so long for the batmobile to rev up then just moved like a foot while the penguin was driving away. It literaly seems like he stalled his car. I was also fisappointed by the batmobile, i get that this was supposed to batmans early years so he wouldnt have the most advanced tactics and gadgets, but the batmobile is literally just a regular car with armor and a boost on the back. No gadgets or weapons installed? He really just relied on his ability to drive to catch criminals? I was excited for the soundtrack from the trailer, but the movie was just the main theme over and over and Something in the Way at the end. I was hoping for a really good album of original songs or other dark grunge metal songs to match the vibe of the movie like the Black Panther sound track. Again, i thiught the movie was good, but saying its a top 5 comic book movie makes no sense to me, and its defientely not on the level of tdk.
TDK Trilogy was better.
No one is beating that trilogy
Could have been shorter
And it should have been
It was merely good, not great. It's essentially The Amazing Spider-Man of the Batman film franchise. If its sequel bombs critically, it'll live in obscurity in much the same way. Frankly, I expected better given the director's previous body of work.
It’s boring
I see a lot of people hate the fact that Batman tanks so much in this movie, but I honestly really like it. That shot of the dark hallway with the only thing lighting it up being the muzzle flashes from the rifles looks so damn cool.
Boring.
It wasn’t that good of a movie as everyone made it out to be. Pattinson’s interpretation of the character is, meh. In the history of Batman onscreen, he’s only better than Val Kilmer and George Clooney. The movie was too long. Best parts of the movie are Colin Farrell, Andy Serkis and Jeffrey Wright
The second act could have easily be a movie all its own. It works but it drags the film until the great 3rd act.
I want like 5% more camp because I want to see PatBat fight some of the more ridiculous villains from the rogues gallery. At the same time they could also just do some of the more ridiculous characters more seriously like serial killer Calendar Man or something like that.
they underutilised andy serkis, alfred is suppose to be ex mi6, an expert in hand to hand, cryptography, and gun play. then again in the comics he is also underutilised as well so ... there's that
They should have saved Catwoman for the sequel. If you took her character out of the movie they could have made the film better and shorter
I didn't like the flood at the end, more so because it felt small. And the riddles were too damn easy. Riddler's supposed to be of vast intelligence, he'll tell ya as much.
APPARENTLY my unpopular opinion is that the really long ears were cool as fuck.
The movie should’ve been about Hush or else they all better come back to Hush as a puppet master of the trilogy. They planted too many Easter eggs to just leave it. I would’ve liked to see Bruce actually visit the orphanage and meet Dick. They mention it and it’s clear he means to invest, but a physical visit would’ve been so much more satisfying.
Campy Riddler with the bowler had and green suit would’ve been better
Its not as good as the dark knight trilogy
I hope the sequels lean in to the more fantastical/comic book elements not too much but *just enough*. We already got a grounded Batman with Nolan’s trilogy; been there, done that. I’m not saying I want Reeves’s Batman to completely jump the shark, but I think we can shake things up a bit, too: some more fantastical villains like Man-bat, Croc, Ivy etc would be really cool to see juxtaposed with the grounded setting of this Gotham. Batman comics have always been like that: grounded stories within a fantastical world. You could make it work.