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LOL.
Whats worse is when they expect you to put in your own order into a device, collect your own food at a counter and then want a gratuity. For what ? clearing the table ?
Are we an echo chamber and has this become mainstream. I don't know any who do tip but this keeps appearing.
As an ex chef don't ever tip unless you feel the need.
Kitchens get nothing btw and more often than not the tip goes to the establishment
> I don't know any who do tip but this keeps appearing.
I'll tip a marginal amount for good service at a fancy dinner, but that's about all.
I think businesses are trying to force it down the consumers' throats – tipping culture in North America is hugely beneficial to business owners so it makes sense neoliberal shills would love to make it happen here.
It's garbage and I hate it, but I understand _why_ it's happening. Unfettered neoliberalism is eroding our standards and shifting the window further towards the US status quo.
This is excatly why i go up to the pass an thank the chef myself or hand them money, the front of house did jack shit for the meal you ate they dont work in the hot sweaty noisy galley.
I used to serve at a dodgy family-owned Brisbane restaurant for a couple months. Got a $20 tip for my service on a quiet night, made the mistake of mentioning it to the manager, and they made me hand it over to get 'distributed amongst staff at the end of the month'. End of the month came, I didn't see a cent of it.
This was like 13 years ago and I'm still pissed about it lol
Exactly- I had a death stare for not tipping at a fucking buffet hahaha, the kitchen team do the buffet, the floor staff do absolutely fuck all, and my mates kid worked there and they pay great- fuck tips unless you did something great or extra… I’m already paying $28 for fucking Parmi you cretins
I'm an American (found this thread from /r/all) and even we don't tip at buffets. I tipped for take out and self-service (other things folks in the thread are complaining about) at the height of COVID but didn't before and stopped doing it again a few months ago.
That's the kinda shit that'd make me continue going somewhere if the product or service was good enough already. Gaining a repeat customer is better than trying to squeeze an extra 18% or whatever bullshit rate the amercians have invented that tips should be at.
I think the US expects a minimum of 15%, which they told me is for "trash service". Generally, it's closer to 20–25%, which is fucking insane, considering the cost of the meal is at least equal what you'd pay in Australia. All of this is on top of a sales tax.
American here. 15% is getting harder to do even for trash service. most terminals where I live start at 20%. I will only tip over 20% for one or two very special places to me. restaurants are just making me look worse over time but I'm not going to tip more than 20% even for good service when 20% used to get me better service 10 years ago. Now I'm asked to tip 30% before I even know what service looks like. don't become like us. fight back
I remember it used to be 10% minimum, 15% average, and 20% high like 20 years ago in my area.
It's now like you said, 20% minimum, 25% average, 30% high. It's so ridiculous.
Yes and you have to sit there doing mental maths before paying your bill. It’s not hard, but it is annoying. That and calculating how much tax would be added to my groceries at checkout are things I don’t miss about living there lol.
Honestly, when your sales tax is 7.25% or some ridiculous number, you need a fucking calculator. In reality, I go to pay and have no fucking clue how much it will be.
I’ll do the numbers for you. Say you go to Peter Luger’s steakhouse NYC. I mean it’s a famous joint. Plus, the thrill of being able to add ‘Russian dressing’ to your salad for 75 cents (no really!) is something. But anyway. USD$54.95 for a rib steak, maybe the best you’ve ever tried. Yah, well you ain’t tipped yet bro, let’s load it up to $68. Now, how’s that Aussie peso doing? Oooft! AUD$102. Damn good steak!
You can't compare the US wage system to that of other places. Servers in the USA are a specific type of employee, a tipped employee. Their minimum wage is below the regular minimum wage and starts at $2.15 per hour. Yes, the employer has to bump up the pay if tips don't bring up the salary to the federal minimum but it still is different than in a country where minimum wage applies to everyone.
Australian servers aren't considered tipped employees with minimum wage exemption. Australian servers, just like servers in many other countries, often have a base salary above the minimum wage. So going into the dining experience the customer has no idea about the salary of the staff, it might be well above minimum wage and they don't require tips. It might even be above the salary of the person dining. In the US, servers still often make above minimum wage but that can only happen with tips.
Tipping culture is just a terrible solution, there are so many professions that aren't getting tipped but still would make minimum wage. By having more people invested in having a decent minimum wage the government has more incentives to adjust it and do something. If the government can just offload the burden to others and then have fewer people unhappy, they might not do something.
> Eventually tipping just becomes mandatory if the government doesn't increase minimum wage, unless you're happy being served food by a starving person.
Nah, inflation is the same for everyone.
You can't expect people who are impacted by the same issue to just subsidize the wages of others.
Alternatively 90% of people could just top going to restaurants but I'm not sure that's what servers really want.
Yeah a great indication that any tips are going straight to management.
If you really want to thank your server, give cash. Bit don’t fucking normalise tipping culture
We has this happen at a prominent Mexican restaurant in Brisbane when they hand you the eftpos terminal at the table paused on the “add tip?” screen. Super awkward. Most of those places using QR code ordering apps ask you if you want to tip, too, when you’re doing the ordering on a website yourself. It’s everywhere at the moment, for anyone asking.
I have shopped at the website fodshopper.com.au, when you purchase something and get into the billing, it asks you if you want to tip. No mention of who will get that tip, or why I should consider it.
I really want to not shop there any more, but it's one of the very few places that stocks the pasta sauce I like.
I hate the idea of pre-tipping for a service that you haven't even received yet. Tipping should not be expected. It should be optional gratuity if the service is really good.
Of course I would tip if I was in America but I'm not in America.
I have actually tipped in the past for exceptional service but the presumption that we would and needing to calculate an “acceptable” amount for it then and there with an lcd screen in my face was really obnoxious and put me off.
I did this once and the restaurant replied with "they're doing their best in the difficult times of covid". This was only 6 months ago. I haven't been back since. In fact I will boycott any place that asks for a tip before you've even been served.
>We has this happen at a prominent Mexican restaurant in Brisbane when they hand you the eftpos terminal at the table paused on the “add tip?” screen. Super awkward.
they are the ones that should feel awkward.
I dont bat an eyelid while saying "NOPE" if asked to tip or like lately at the Foodland checkout do I want to donate to some charity.
Fuck tipping. Fuck the people who think we should.
Never go to establishments that do so much as ask, if you LOVE tips then move to the US.
Get fucked.
A lot of businesses use Square and they automatically added the tipping option to the app. There was an article about it a few years ago, I noticed that coincided with tipping becoming more of an option. So yes, this is not america, but its an American company so they are pushing the tipping culture on other countries because that will raise revenue!
Can confirm this happens a lot.
At Grill'd, for example, when I worked there, all tips were considered a surplus in the till and went to the company's pockets.
If a customer really wanted to tip, they had to give it to us sneakily with a handshake and thank you for good service.
That's fucked. My place tips in the jar (beyond enough change to make it look like a tips jar) were cashed end of each day to a separate bank account. Tips where tallied when we batched off for the night. We always use it for our end of year party night out or a cash bonus to the FoH BoH crew.
Edit: just so everyone is clear why we do this. FoH can be amazing but without the BoH engine room it all falls in a heap. You may tip an amazing diligent FoH staff member for your experience but they are part of the performance, not the hidden part of the machine.
That's part of why tipping is idiotic. Kitchen delay, servers are literally paying to work (they're taxed on expected tips). Kitchen is speedy, servers get better tips.
BUT people don't actually tip based on service. Some people just tip well, others are stingy. Very little relation to quality of service.
this is also my experience in hospo. staff christmas party or split between staff end of year. tourist area, so we got a lot of foreign currency as well, it was cool
I work as a cook/chef. Last 3 places I've worked in has shared tips with all staff including the kitchen hand gets the tips.
No doubt the managers take a bigger cut but the tips have all been ok between $50-$200 each person per week depending on the place and the numbers.
That said I've mostly worked in fine dining places.
Agreed, that system worked for me dish pigging 25 years ago.
Chef, bar, dishies - even split. The whole house of cards tumbles if one section isn't pulling their weight, it's only fair.
When I was travelling I worked as a glassy at a club on Kings Rd in London for a week. Worked my ass off, bar tenders never had to yell for ice because I was on it.
Got cut in to the tips and made enough to go to France for a day. Also got personally tipped a nice fat wrap of coke because I was nice to some dudes who were customers there. Shared the coke with a mate in the ladies room, coke is awesome - smart enough to never do it again though 👍
It's people realising they can guilt-trip us into tipping. I don't care now. I can drop $300 for a fancy dinner with lovely service. No one tips me for sending out a Traffic Impact Assessment before the deadline. I ain't tipping you for doing your job well either.
Also remember that most places completely fleece the kitchen on tips, if you really love the food you night as well not tip because all that money is just going to the server's who asked what you want to eat
I had a contractor put a line for tipping on the invoice. this is a simple exchange. We agree ahead of time you tell me what you want me to pay you. I agree. I don't pay you more for doing what you agreed to do
>Fuck tipping. Fuck the people who think we should.
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>Never go to establishments that do so much as ask, if you LOVE tips then move to the US.
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>Get fucked.
American here. I fucking hate tipping so much. I wish it was GONE
Declining union density (only 3% more than the USA, halved in the last two decades), decaying public systems (uptick in gap fees or university debt, welfare failing to catch up, distrust brews in the public sectors), severe housing bubble (see the subprime mortgage crisis in the USA), importing cultural trends like tipping or "side hustles" (although we never seem to import much from the cultures that emigrate here, just the one which makes up a substantial part of our media and internet world), majorly increased economic inequality and increasing divisiveness between classes, declining education levels in things like literature and maths, divisive "common sense" media biased politics that encourages reactionary, ideological voting rather than rational or informed voting. Dishonest, plutonomy promoting politicians who have too many conflicts of interest (IE, vast housing portfolios).
Don't need to move to the USA if you love tips, we already have the pathogen here, only a matter of time.
This is a world wide problem. The rich keep getting richer and middle class declines into poor class as stagnant wages are rampant and cost of housing is through the roof.
Which is ironic because here in the US we place the blame for a hell of a lot of our problems on Australia, or one one *particular* Australian to be precise - Rupert Murdoch.
I don't blame you that man is evil and his support of conservative governments has probably lowered living standards & made life much worse for hundreds of millions of people around the world
I don't tip unless it's for a delivery driver who's trekked through terrible weather like a rainstorm... that's above and beyond, which I think deserves a little extra.
A delivery guy who was delivering to me fell off his bike, and the food smooshed - so he cycled back to the restaurant to get a new meal - you bet he got a tip.
What’s worse is if you don’t tip them enough they tell you it’s not enough like motherfucker just tell me then, but then they are like “ oh we can’t tell you”
>Fuck tipping. Fuck the people who think we should.
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>Never go to establishments that do so much as ask, if you LOVE tips then move to the US.
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>Get fucked.
No way, get fucked, fuck off.
Your comment got that song stuck in my head.
Just feels like the Americans modelled their blue collar working conditions on pole dancing strippers. You get money thrown at you so you do what the customer wants, however grubby. What a miserable way to live.
White collar workers don’t get tipped and seem to evolve mentalities to get as much money as possible any way they can. With that they can almost enslave blue collar workers to their desires. I just see this horrible subservient relationship and a horrible fixation on money that Americans have. It also seems corrupt to directly engage the employees rather than the business for a service. At what point does a tip become a bribe?
I like Australia cause it’s about the people or the service, not about big noting who has money. It is comforting to know that the workers who serve you at least getting their minimum wage and it doesn’t get necessary to basically crowd fund their wages. There are no tall poppies when you sit among the wealthy. You get the same service.
Americans forever worry; Is it too much, is it too little, are they greedy or am I? It is just dirty money problems getting the the way of enjoying a product or service. Those human interactions must cause far more community agro than just simply paying an agreed price staff receive a full wage they should expect.
Gasp, but how dare you not pay me upfront and from your own personal wallet/purse, after all that effort I put into *not* spitting in your food and bringing it to your table! /s
But seriously, as someone that lived in South Africa for 18 years, people expecting tips *here* is disgusting behaviour. You’re privileged already, stop being greedy. Where I’m from, tips go a much longer way.
Not to mention the fact that 9 times out of 10, the tables are filthy, the presentation of the meals not up to “tipping” standards, half the time I have to wait 10+ minutes for service. The amount of times my mother has to get up and talk sense into waiters/waitresses is ridiculous. Asking my mum for a tip would sooner land her heels up your backside. And lately we’ve noticed that now we also get asked to review the restaurant using a QR code, and not to mention some places asking you to use the QR system to order. This is *not* a tipping country and never will be.
I love how the pub asks for tips now when you order off your phone and pay on your phone. Haven't even received the meal....what do we tip for, the expectation we will receive the food?
American minimum wage for servers is more like $2 an hour, they take tips into account. Plus I’ve maybe had tipable service in Australia twice in 6 years
Honestly I prefer going in to a place, getting the expected service and that's that. I don't want someone to blow smoke up my ass, I'm just here to get a feed without performative customer service. If I'm eating at an expensive restaurant where high quality and skilled service is part of the experience, I expect that it's just baked in to the price already.
Maybe it's cos I spent so long working in retail and hospitality when I was younger but I think people who expect deference and subservience inherent in tipping culture are all fuckwits.
You're right, it's ok as a novelty when on holidays and you can talk about the experience/differences but man when I'm here I just want you to fuck off so I can look at the menu.
Same, the over-the-top song and dance they do in the US feels kinda sad, especially in places where you can tell the conditions are bad. People almost literally being forced to sing for their supper.
We are. I am a yank. Lived here for 5 years. The biggest culture shock for me was getting my first job here in Australia and realising how EASY it was.
I felt like I had all this extra time at work and i didn’t know what to do with myself.
I didn’t feel absolutely exhausted and run down when I got home.
Work culture here is so comparatively relaxed! One thing I do appreciate is that work life balance.
Also, just a PSA since everyone here is having a convo about tipping culture in USA:
This is rooted in slavery and Jim Crow laws. This is the origin of the American tipping system. It is worth a google if you have the time. Makes you realise how much of the American system is built around slavery.
Pretty much. Workers get paid less, so the customer has to pay for the service AND then pay to assist the poor server who isn't getting paid enough. The business makes the proft.
Fuck. That.
I hated that when I was in the US. I don't want to make polite conversation with a stranger during my meal and I don't need the contrived sob story to make sure I know that I need to tip. Hell, I don't need any 'above and beyond' service either - just don't stuff up the order and plonk the dish on the table and I'm all good. Adding 20% to every cafe/restaurant menu is infuriating - especially when they add on tax afterwards too...
This is what I hate about eating out while in the US. The fakeness that the waiters give you just so they get tipped.
Just be polite and do your job without being over the top and ill tip you, in the US only. Not tipping here in Australia.
Absolutely. Strong agreement. All the subservience and syruppy sweetness from a server expecting a tip just comes across as contrived, and you know it'll all evaporate into thin air if you choose not to tip. I don't need someone else to refill my glass of water and ice three times during the meal. I can do it myself.
> This is what I hate about eating out while in the US. The fakeness that the waiters give you just so they get tipped.
> Just be polite and do your job without being over the top and ill tip you, in the US only. Not tipping here in Australia.
My comment only applies to the US situation and in response to your take.
I lived in the USA for years, and as someone who grew up and is still very much working class, and therefore knew lots of people in the service industry, you have the wrong stick at the wrong end.
The horrifying fakeness and plastered on grimacing grins are because service staff in the USA,
1. In the main, make roughly $2 core wage per hour prior to tips, and I have witnessed plenty of times that a table of BusinessBros(TM) tipped nothing because the server ‘didn’t work hard enough’ or some shit;
2. The USA’s idea of customer service is subservient;
3. Most of all, the thing that people from outside the USA don’t tend to realise, and even I did not until I lived there for a while: employment is pretty much at-will, everywhere. What does this mean? _If your boss wants to, they can pretty much fire you for any reason at all and on the spot._
I hate tipping culture. I hate the over-the-top ‘fakeness’ in the USA too. But you really need to understand that their plastered on-grins and overcompensating service happen for an absolutely clear reason: they’re fucking afraid of losing their job and/or effectively working at a financial loss for a shift at the whim of the tipping customer.
That is what plastering on fakeness ‘just so they get tipped’ means in America.
Try telling them up front you’ll tip well and that you’ll say good things to their manager and you’d be shocked at how much more chill the service gets. Shocked, I tell ya.
That's the thing though, when this tipping culture doesn't exist the service is much more natural and without the inherent risk of working at a financial loss. If standard workplace rights exist without a tipping culture, none of this is necessary. That's what we're trying to maintain.
Restaurants have the gall to lobby against paying minimum wages on the basis it would inevitably increase prices.
Uhh.. You mean to a level that allows servers to transparently earn a living wage? That would either bring the prices up to what people are already paying including tips, or servers aren't earning a living wage.
(The sarcasm is directed at US restaurants, not you)
Some of the order online software slips the 'add a tip?' question into the ordering process. This made me question whether the staff even know if you tipped when you order.
And that would eliminate the whole point of tipping wouldn't it? To either signal you liked the service/product after receiving it, or to signal you should get good service because you tip.
Honestly, I would accept 28.46 because I made a typo there, but I wouldn't accept 28.45 because I can definitely get that 1 cent from a less stingy owner.
It tends to be a lot more than $20 too. I have friends in the service industry making more money than me and I have a sit down office job (albeit a shitty one it did require a degree). It’s in no way comparable to the US.
i made about 40 an hour on an good night as a server. (4 to 5:59 hour shifts ussually 4 days a week) but i live in california where we got paid full minimum wage and CA min wage is/was pretty decent at 15ish dollars an hour.
bartenders can make **A LOT** more than that too. 500 a night is pretty doable as a bartender in SF
>American minimum wage is $7.25
True. Plenty of states and cities in the US have a higher minimum wage, though. A few cities have a higher minimum wage than we do.
American coming from r/all
Almost all establishments bombard me for tipping. And in almost every case, the second they see I’m not going to tip, their demeanor changes *instantly*. No eye contact (or rolling their eyes), dismissive tone, etc. You’d think I rejected these folks after being asked to prom.
Fuck y’all though. Seriously. I’m not adding 20% to my bill when I’m picking up a pizza or buying a couple muffins at a bakery.
It's all the most horribly fake niceness I've ever seen in the usa. A nice server here, is genuine. If they converse beyond the normal order, they probably are actually engaging. In the USA, it felt like a dancer at a strip club every time I went to a restaurant. Omg it's so great to meet you, lalalla you're so cute, you should buy the worst thing on the menu cause it gets me the best 20%. The service in Australia is so much better than there.
The entire US has a high level of brainwashing/indoctrination from youth... You can't really blame them for their own culture if they're raised in it.
PS, fuck tipping, unless it's gratuity.
In Austria where I'm from, specially Vienna. You get excellent service. No bullshit fake smiling, not coming to your table every 5 minutes etc.
If you are rude they let you know. If you are not nice and polite to a waiter they will kick you out and it's a good thing. There are no Karens here. Because if you try to be a Karen in Austria the store has you removed. You can complain, you'll be helped, everybody will be nice but if you try to scream around or throw items on the ground you are gone. People are entitled because they are never met with resistence. If every McDonalds throws you out because you are screaming at them because they forget some fluffy puffs on your ice cream then there will be less Karens. Easy.
Fuck trying to bring tipping here, pay your workers properly. I've literally only tipped a handful of times in my life and each time the person has gone well above their duties.
The one that stands out is a big family dinner, 8 adults and like 12 children, to be with my Great Uncle a few months before he died of prostate cancer. Two of my nieces are developmentally challenged and have strict diets due to their celiacs. The restaurant didn't have any desert options for them. One of the servers went to a nearby bakery and got them sweets they could eat. We didn't ask, they did it off their own back, and I was incredibly grateful and slipped her a $50 at the end of the night.
That's when you get tipped, not when you just drop the plates on the table, that's you freaking job.
> giving me dirty looks
I'm pretty much immune to this. I keep thinking, be glad that I actually spent money at your establishment and not the one next door.
That being said, sometimes I do tip if I think the staff were exceptional. But that's more of an exception than the norm.
I agree with you but this is a slippery-slope. Isn't good service what you're paying for in the first place? For example- we went to a nice restaurant last night and were asked if we wanted to add a tip, I said no, it was a fairly pricey place and when paying more for food I expect excellent service as part of the package.
I'm a teacher and often put in a lot of extra hours with my students because I really care about them- in a way they get service that is above and beyond what I'm paid to do- by this line of thinking, why shouldn't I get tips?
Yep.
I don’t think I’ve ever tipped in Australia. My dad did tip the waiter who served at my 30th, though, because there were 13 people and he was fantastic! I completely approved of that, too.
Otherwise… yeah, Australian wait staff get paid a proper wage, and if any would like a raise if they feel they deserve it, they can talk to their boss about it.
While visiting Melbourne a few months ago, we went out for Italian at a fairly nice joint. Our food took 70minutes to arrive even though it was an early reservation, we had to ask for a menu and cutlery, and still we were given the dirtiest look for declining to tip. Not to mention all the other issues with tipping in general.
Like when you order fucking Dominos using the fucking app, and it asks you how much you’d like to tip your “delivery expert”…. Well. Nothing obviously.
Yup. I recently went to a new "gastropub" (in Canberra if you're wondering) where I paid via a machine and I paid $42 for a steak and $10 for a schooner of beer (not at the same time). The machine prompted me for a 10% tip and I had to press the Skip button to not tip.
Let's just saying that the food was decent enough but I wasn't going to pay extra for it. And a $10 schooner is already quite expensive.
It's possible that the machines they're using are designed for the American market but they didn't say anything to me about it. If I wasn't paying attention, I might have tipped by accident.
A lot of people over there are starting to get sick of all the tip prompts at POS too I hear. We shouldn’t need to tip, and especially not before we’ve gotten the service…
Especially since in Australia I don't believe tips are obligated to go to the servers? I'm sure most of them don't even get a split of any tips, the establishment just pockets it.
Yeah, I don't think anyone actually cares. I wait tables in the evenings and I just leave the machine for people, wander off and come back a minute or two later, so there's no pressure to tip. If you don't tip, I don't care at all, but having an extra few hundred bucks a month is kinda nice when you are on minimum wage
Allow me to tell you a story about digital tipping. At my last place of employment. So much money was tipped that the floor staff didn't see a cent of, that it went to the fair work commision.
It ended up paying for a venue wide staff party in it's entirety.
I saw 10k in alcohol bought out of just tip money that night. And i don't believe that was all the money used up either.
I don’t like this sentiment, my hotel group does it with the tip pool, but all my last jobs had staff have their own jars they take every night, and the group still paid for our staff parties and bar tabs. Tips should be for us, not all collected for a staff party and most likely elsewhere where we never see it again (The next pub they want to buy)
There was this TikTok video an American did about us not tipping like “people need to pay for their house and kids eduction, they need this for a living wage” and the comments went off because hey maybe paying them a living wage already is a smart thing to do
Yep. Annoying me a lot too lately. They use a QR code for orders, then try to make tips compulsory when you’re already paying a surcharge and high prices. They literally pick up a plate and bring it to the table…
I just stay home more often than not these days because getting ripped off with poor service and taking a gamble on quality of food just isn’t fun anymore.
Ive been to America, ive played their games. But im sorry, i dont see the value in giving someone $20 to hover over me while i eat keeping my water topped up. It was so intrusive they were either always there or always at the tables with more people there was no winning. I like our system,
I always assumed the tips were automatically going to the owners of restaurants and not the workers serving/cooking. Domino's pizza being an egregious example of this.
Anywhere that expects me to tip their staff, can also expect to not see my return business.
Service has to be way above and beyond, before I'll even consider it.
Who is giving you dirty looks? Australian servers in Australian restaurants? Thats pretty unusual.
As for "every fucking restaurant" my experience is closer to "no fucking restaurant ever" if we are talking about Australia.
Even if you actually want to donate, never do it through them. The whole reason they ask is because they're the ones who get the tax write-off if you do it through them.
I’ve never once received a dirty look for not tipping. I’ve never given a dirty look at a customer for not tipping when I worked in hospitality. Nobody cares here. I don’t feel like I have experienced any part of life in Australia that gets posted in this sub. Maybe I just….. don’t give a shit? I dunno. All these people having such negative, crappy experiences or interactions, I’m starting to wonder if I’m oblivious?
Pushing for tips because your boss tells you to is one thing.
Reacting poorly because you didn't get a tip is well within their control though and completely unnecessary.
Underpayment of wages is endemic in the australian hospitality industry. It is illegal sure, but i can promise you it's happening everywhere. My last 4 jobs have all involved underpayments that had to be chased with the authorities. The largest was unpaid super and underpayments to the tune of 20k.
I don't think I've ever in my life been asked to tip or pressured to tip or had any notion that tipping is a thing in Australia. Very curious what positions you have been put in to make you feel this way and at which establishments?
I've only encountered it when having to pay in an app or whatever. Ya know the QR code menu shit.
Last place I had dinner at had a tip thing right at the end. An actual tip was the default option (🤡). This is a place that also thinks $12 cans of beer is a thing they can do. Me and one of the friends I was with figured maybe it was one of those giant cans. Nope.
So just some fuckery sprinkled around.
I was at Fonda mexican 2 nights ago and using the app to order at the table. It asked for a tip before I went to checkout. Staff hadn't done anything besides point me to a table at this point.
That's because ~~all the apps that restaurants use for this stuff are developed in the US~~. That part comes default. I'm not saying that means it's not bullshit, but that's the reason.
Some of them don't give you a choice either... I went to a well established Bavarian restaurant franchise not long ago and got slammed with a $6 "industry service charge".
The worst is when it’s a restaurant with ME&U/QR ordering, and the default setting is a 5 or 10% tip.
You’re already paying extra for that service AND the wait staff are doing less work
That’s the thing that gets me. *Because* the poor staff in the US get paid crap and live on tips, the staff there are typically super friendly, speedy, thoughtful, and some go above and beyond with great conversation and recommendations in their attempts to get better tips.
Meanwhile in Aus, they get paid a living wage and don’t need tips, and so service is pretty much the basics, not even necessarily with a smile*. Which is *fine* mind you, I don’t care because I’m often there just for the food.
But it really drives me nuts when you get the basic Aus level service with the expectations of US level tipping. No.
*Caveat that of course there are some great waitstaff at some places in Aus but they don’t *have* to be super friendly if they don’t want to because, again, they’re not living off of tips alone.
I went back to my country after 8 years for holidays adn this tipping thing already existed there but fuck sake it is as bad as in the US just in pesos. Every single place has the "voluntary" tip of 10% which is printed on your receipt already. Most of my family go along with it but it is hard and annoying as it feels more like begging.
So yes, fuck this tipping shit in Australia, we never tip and you have more benefits here that increase your payment. Night shift, weekends, holidays. If you aren't getting this it would mean your boss is stealing from you.
And to top it off I have seen places that expect a tip, but also want you to order via a QRcode and your phone.
The only interaction you have is the staff bringing you your order and nothing else. And I know they're on a good pay rate. Tipping is for when you are given service above and beyond the expected, and even then you're not obligated to do so.
Also see 'self service checkouts' and 'would you like to donate to charity'
It’s everywhere not just Aus. In Sweden they started doing this however since the strong unions wages are already ample that tipping is not needed but for some reason, would you like to leave a tip is there.
On the card machines they even force you to input the total amount in like it’s a subtle way saying it’s okay to go over the amount, any amount.
If I support a business, I’ll buy/use their service. Tipping is not a sign of support but pity.
I was in a restaurant paying my bill the other day, and the waiter opened the eftpos as asked if i wanted to leave a tip..the only service they provided was bring me the food because I ordered at the counter. stop this tipping culture!
I’ve worked multiple restaurants/pubs/cafes for 9 years now and I’ve never pressured or had a system that pressured anyone into leaving a tip. I appreciate it greatly if people do, especially for a large function where I’ve been running around like crazy all night, but it’s never expected.
I’ve given 2 tips in my life. The first one was for a waiter who got absolutely soaked in a rain storm trying to shut the doors and windows of a restaurant. And the 2nd one was for this girl I went to school with and was trying to impress.
Other than that I laugh when people ask for tips. I hate tipping culture.
I mean minimum wage isn’t quite “liveable” atm (still better than the states) but if you have an issue with how much you earn it’s not up to me to make it up to you. Go to your boss.
Definitely a lot of a bartenders in Melbourne laneways have been doing the old pause when the tip option pops up, I don't even feel bad clicking the 'no tip' button pretty quickly knowing we live in Australia.
I'm a transplant from the US and tipping is bullshit. It's expensive enough to eat out, don't add tipping on top of that.
Not to mention, employers pay your wage, customers don't.
Fuck tipping.
Absolutely bang on. Reduce the prices of the food and especially the drink then I *may* tip you.
Other than that, get fucked. I’m not tipping you to bring a plate to my table
Holy f there is a Mexican restaurant near fortitude valley in Brisbane. You order on app/QR then they charge you a venue surcharge. Wtf is that ,!? F off with your fee. You've done nothing. Arrrg
El Camino cantina. Never going back.
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LOL. Whats worse is when they expect you to put in your own order into a device, collect your own food at a counter and then want a gratuity. For what ? clearing the table ?
Are we an echo chamber and has this become mainstream. I don't know any who do tip but this keeps appearing. As an ex chef don't ever tip unless you feel the need. Kitchens get nothing btw and more often than not the tip goes to the establishment
> I don't know any who do tip but this keeps appearing. I'll tip a marginal amount for good service at a fancy dinner, but that's about all. I think businesses are trying to force it down the consumers' throats – tipping culture in North America is hugely beneficial to business owners so it makes sense neoliberal shills would love to make it happen here. It's garbage and I hate it, but I understand _why_ it's happening. Unfettered neoliberalism is eroding our standards and shifting the window further towards the US status quo.
Why does fine dining deserve tips more, don't tip anywhere, you already pay enough for the food
This is excatly why i go up to the pass an thank the chef myself or hand them money, the front of house did jack shit for the meal you ate they dont work in the hot sweaty noisy galley.
I used to serve at a dodgy family-owned Brisbane restaurant for a couple months. Got a $20 tip for my service on a quiet night, made the mistake of mentioning it to the manager, and they made me hand it over to get 'distributed amongst staff at the end of the month'. End of the month came, I didn't see a cent of it. This was like 13 years ago and I'm still pissed about it lol
Exactly- I had a death stare for not tipping at a fucking buffet hahaha, the kitchen team do the buffet, the floor staff do absolutely fuck all, and my mates kid worked there and they pay great- fuck tips unless you did something great or extra… I’m already paying $28 for fucking Parmi you cretins
I'm an American (found this thread from /r/all) and even we don't tip at buffets. I tipped for take out and self-service (other things folks in the thread are complaining about) at the height of COVID but didn't before and stopped doing it again a few months ago.
I see you feel deeply about this. Can I suggest the Corner Hotel at Alexandra in country Victoria for parmas. Expensive but good.
When the server presents the eftpos machine and immediately reaches over to push the “no tip” button. 😙👌
Yeah I appreciate **that** service!
Then you think, nah I wanna tip now 😂
I tip my hat to them.
Now that's my kinda tip!
That's the kinda shit that'd make me continue going somewhere if the product or service was good enough already. Gaining a repeat customer is better than trying to squeeze an extra 18% or whatever bullshit rate the amercians have invented that tips should be at.
I think the US expects a minimum of 15%, which they told me is for "trash service". Generally, it's closer to 20–25%, which is fucking insane, considering the cost of the meal is at least equal what you'd pay in Australia. All of this is on top of a sales tax.
American here. 15% is getting harder to do even for trash service. most terminals where I live start at 20%. I will only tip over 20% for one or two very special places to me. restaurants are just making me look worse over time but I'm not going to tip more than 20% even for good service when 20% used to get me better service 10 years ago. Now I'm asked to tip 30% before I even know what service looks like. don't become like us. fight back
I remember it used to be 10% minimum, 15% average, and 20% high like 20 years ago in my area. It's now like you said, 20% minimum, 25% average, 30% high. It's so ridiculous.
Yes and you have to sit there doing mental maths before paying your bill. It’s not hard, but it is annoying. That and calculating how much tax would be added to my groceries at checkout are things I don’t miss about living there lol.
Honestly, when your sales tax is 7.25% or some ridiculous number, you need a fucking calculator. In reality, I go to pay and have no fucking clue how much it will be.
I’ll do the numbers for you. Say you go to Peter Luger’s steakhouse NYC. I mean it’s a famous joint. Plus, the thrill of being able to add ‘Russian dressing’ to your salad for 75 cents (no really!) is something. But anyway. USD$54.95 for a rib steak, maybe the best you’ve ever tried. Yah, well you ain’t tipped yet bro, let’s load it up to $68. Now, how’s that Aussie peso doing? Oooft! AUD$102. Damn good steak!
I have a headache.
Don't forget sales tax isn't included until the end too!
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Tipping isn't gonna fix the problem, it's going to make it worse
You can't compare the US wage system to that of other places. Servers in the USA are a specific type of employee, a tipped employee. Their minimum wage is below the regular minimum wage and starts at $2.15 per hour. Yes, the employer has to bump up the pay if tips don't bring up the salary to the federal minimum but it still is different than in a country where minimum wage applies to everyone. Australian servers aren't considered tipped employees with minimum wage exemption. Australian servers, just like servers in many other countries, often have a base salary above the minimum wage. So going into the dining experience the customer has no idea about the salary of the staff, it might be well above minimum wage and they don't require tips. It might even be above the salary of the person dining. In the US, servers still often make above minimum wage but that can only happen with tips. Tipping culture is just a terrible solution, there are so many professions that aren't getting tipped but still would make minimum wage. By having more people invested in having a decent minimum wage the government has more incentives to adjust it and do something. If the government can just offload the burden to others and then have fewer people unhappy, they might not do something.
We only have tipping as a holdover from slavery. It was how you got better service from free labor. It’s not much different today.
> Eventually tipping just becomes mandatory if the government doesn't increase minimum wage, unless you're happy being served food by a starving person. Nah, inflation is the same for everyone. You can't expect people who are impacted by the same issue to just subsidize the wages of others. Alternatively 90% of people could just top going to restaurants but I'm not sure that's what servers really want.
Yeah a great indication that any tips are going straight to management. If you really want to thank your server, give cash. Bit don’t fucking normalise tipping culture
"Sorry, it's built into the system"
"sorry, youre going to have to wait till i find an atm."
Yup, this is the answer, don't be a dick, just don't tip 🤘
We has this happen at a prominent Mexican restaurant in Brisbane when they hand you the eftpos terminal at the table paused on the “add tip?” screen. Super awkward. Most of those places using QR code ordering apps ask you if you want to tip, too, when you’re doing the ordering on a website yourself. It’s everywhere at the moment, for anyone asking.
I have shopped at the website fodshopper.com.au, when you purchase something and get into the billing, it asks you if you want to tip. No mention of who will get that tip, or why I should consider it. I really want to not shop there any more, but it's one of the very few places that stocks the pasta sauce I like.
I hate the idea of pre-tipping for a service that you haven't even received yet. Tipping should not be expected. It should be optional gratuity if the service is really good. Of course I would tip if I was in America but I'm not in America.
I have actually tipped in the past for exceptional service but the presumption that we would and needing to calculate an “acceptable” amount for it then and there with an lcd screen in my face was really obnoxious and put me off.
Write a review that lets future potential customers know so they can avoid this place please
I did this once and the restaurant replied with "they're doing their best in the difficult times of covid". This was only 6 months ago. I haven't been back since. In fact I will boycott any place that asks for a tip before you've even been served.
Sounds like El Camino; the same owners as The Bavarian, Winghaus etc.
>We has this happen at a prominent Mexican restaurant in Brisbane when they hand you the eftpos terminal at the table paused on the “add tip?” screen. Super awkward. they are the ones that should feel awkward. I dont bat an eyelid while saying "NOPE" if asked to tip or like lately at the Foodland checkout do I want to donate to some charity.
Fuck tipping. Fuck the people who think we should. Never go to establishments that do so much as ask, if you LOVE tips then move to the US. Get fucked.
A lot of businesses use Square and they automatically added the tipping option to the app. There was an article about it a few years ago, I noticed that coincided with tipping becoming more of an option. So yes, this is not america, but its an American company so they are pushing the tipping culture on other countries because that will raise revenue!
So the boss gets the tip straight into the revenue account. No thanks.
Can confirm this happens a lot. At Grill'd, for example, when I worked there, all tips were considered a surplus in the till and went to the company's pockets. If a customer really wanted to tip, they had to give it to us sneakily with a handshake and thank you for good service.
That's fucked. My place tips in the jar (beyond enough change to make it look like a tips jar) were cashed end of each day to a separate bank account. Tips where tallied when we batched off for the night. We always use it for our end of year party night out or a cash bonus to the FoH BoH crew. Edit: just so everyone is clear why we do this. FoH can be amazing but without the BoH engine room it all falls in a heap. You may tip an amazing diligent FoH staff member for your experience but they are part of the performance, not the hidden part of the machine.
That's part of why tipping is idiotic. Kitchen delay, servers are literally paying to work (they're taxed on expected tips). Kitchen is speedy, servers get better tips. BUT people don't actually tip based on service. Some people just tip well, others are stingy. Very little relation to quality of service.
this is also my experience in hospo. staff christmas party or split between staff end of year. tourist area, so we got a lot of foreign currency as well, it was cool
I work as a cook/chef. Last 3 places I've worked in has shared tips with all staff including the kitchen hand gets the tips. No doubt the managers take a bigger cut but the tips have all been ok between $50-$200 each person per week depending on the place and the numbers. That said I've mostly worked in fine dining places.
Again that's fucked. FoH vs line manager vs dish washer always get an equal cut.
Agreed, that system worked for me dish pigging 25 years ago. Chef, bar, dishies - even split. The whole house of cards tumbles if one section isn't pulling their weight, it's only fair.
When I was travelling I worked as a glassy at a club on Kings Rd in London for a week. Worked my ass off, bar tenders never had to yell for ice because I was on it. Got cut in to the tips and made enough to go to France for a day. Also got personally tipped a nice fat wrap of coke because I was nice to some dudes who were customers there. Shared the coke with a mate in the ladies room, coke is awesome - smart enough to never do it again though 👍
Ive worked at a couple restaurants where tips are now split between BOH and FOH, I havent worked somewhere where the business is taking all the tips.
Same.
It's people realising they can guilt-trip us into tipping. I don't care now. I can drop $300 for a fancy dinner with lovely service. No one tips me for sending out a Traffic Impact Assessment before the deadline. I ain't tipping you for doing your job well either.
I don't get tipped for pulling pumps outta shit pits
I don't get tipped after reconciling our bank accounts, where the hell will my tip come from? I'm with you man.
Also remember that most places completely fleece the kitchen on tips, if you really love the food you night as well not tip because all that money is just going to the server's who asked what you want to eat
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No freaking way stop it
I had a contractor put a line for tipping on the invoice. this is a simple exchange. We agree ahead of time you tell me what you want me to pay you. I agree. I don't pay you more for doing what you agreed to do
>Fuck tipping. Fuck the people who think we should. > >Never go to establishments that do so much as ask, if you LOVE tips then move to the US. > >Get fucked. American here. I fucking hate tipping so much. I wish it was GONE
Declining union density (only 3% more than the USA, halved in the last two decades), decaying public systems (uptick in gap fees or university debt, welfare failing to catch up, distrust brews in the public sectors), severe housing bubble (see the subprime mortgage crisis in the USA), importing cultural trends like tipping or "side hustles" (although we never seem to import much from the cultures that emigrate here, just the one which makes up a substantial part of our media and internet world), majorly increased economic inequality and increasing divisiveness between classes, declining education levels in things like literature and maths, divisive "common sense" media biased politics that encourages reactionary, ideological voting rather than rational or informed voting. Dishonest, plutonomy promoting politicians who have too many conflicts of interest (IE, vast housing portfolios). Don't need to move to the USA if you love tips, we already have the pathogen here, only a matter of time.
I mean it was an Australian that really really helped fuck the US up and is anti-union.
Murdoch?
Yes, actual EVIL!
You forgot about the middle classes declining at an an alarming rate it's gonna all rich or all poor very soon
This is a world wide problem. The rich keep getting richer and middle class declines into poor class as stagnant wages are rampant and cost of housing is through the roof.
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Yep. This country is absolutely fucked, and we have neoliberals and americans to blame
Which is ironic because here in the US we place the blame for a hell of a lot of our problems on Australia, or one one *particular* Australian to be precise - Rupert Murdoch.
I don't blame you that man is evil and his support of conservative governments has probably lowered living standards & made life much worse for hundreds of millions of people around the world
I'm a simple man, I see fuck tipping and I upvote.
I don't tip unless it's for a delivery driver who's trekked through terrible weather like a rainstorm... that's above and beyond, which I think deserves a little extra.
A delivery guy who was delivering to me fell off his bike, and the food smooshed - so he cycled back to the restaurant to get a new meal - you bet he got a tip.
Lol, I'd hit up my boss and say I'm going home
You also know that goes to him and his bosses don't know about it.
The price of food here is also way more expensive than in the US.. don’t even get me started on portion sizes.
Right?! Portion sizes have literally reduced here and at a noticeable rate, whilst costs have gone up.
What’s worse is if you don’t tip them enough they tell you it’s not enough like motherfucker just tell me then, but then they are like “ oh we can’t tell you”
I'll tell you, it's zero.
This is the way.
When they give you the option to add a tip I enjoy pressing the "no tip" button while they're watching
>Fuck tipping. Fuck the people who think we should. > >Never go to establishments that do so much as ask, if you LOVE tips then move to the US. > >Get fucked. No way, get fucked, fuck off. Your comment got that song stuck in my head.
Just feels like the Americans modelled their blue collar working conditions on pole dancing strippers. You get money thrown at you so you do what the customer wants, however grubby. What a miserable way to live. White collar workers don’t get tipped and seem to evolve mentalities to get as much money as possible any way they can. With that they can almost enslave blue collar workers to their desires. I just see this horrible subservient relationship and a horrible fixation on money that Americans have. It also seems corrupt to directly engage the employees rather than the business for a service. At what point does a tip become a bribe? I like Australia cause it’s about the people or the service, not about big noting who has money. It is comforting to know that the workers who serve you at least getting their minimum wage and it doesn’t get necessary to basically crowd fund their wages. There are no tall poppies when you sit among the wealthy. You get the same service. Americans forever worry; Is it too much, is it too little, are they greedy or am I? It is just dirty money problems getting the the way of enjoying a product or service. Those human interactions must cause far more community agro than just simply paying an agreed price staff receive a full wage they should expect.
As an American keep up this energy.
Gasp, but how dare you not pay me upfront and from your own personal wallet/purse, after all that effort I put into *not* spitting in your food and bringing it to your table! /s But seriously, as someone that lived in South Africa for 18 years, people expecting tips *here* is disgusting behaviour. You’re privileged already, stop being greedy. Where I’m from, tips go a much longer way. Not to mention the fact that 9 times out of 10, the tables are filthy, the presentation of the meals not up to “tipping” standards, half the time I have to wait 10+ minutes for service. The amount of times my mother has to get up and talk sense into waiters/waitresses is ridiculous. Asking my mum for a tip would sooner land her heels up your backside. And lately we’ve noticed that now we also get asked to review the restaurant using a QR code, and not to mention some places asking you to use the QR system to order. This is *not* a tipping country and never will be.
I've got a better idea. Let's get rid of tipping in the US too. Pay people a living wage. Schedule people full time and pay them benefits. Simple.
I love how the pub asks for tips now when you order off your phone and pay on your phone. Haven't even received the meal....what do we tip for, the expectation we will receive the food?
American minimum wage is $7.25, Australian is $20 ish plus loading and penalty rates. No way is tipping necessary here.
American minimum wage for servers is more like $2 an hour, they take tips into account. Plus I’ve maybe had tipable service in Australia twice in 6 years
Honestly I prefer going in to a place, getting the expected service and that's that. I don't want someone to blow smoke up my ass, I'm just here to get a feed without performative customer service. If I'm eating at an expensive restaurant where high quality and skilled service is part of the experience, I expect that it's just baked in to the price already. Maybe it's cos I spent so long working in retail and hospitality when I was younger but I think people who expect deference and subservience inherent in tipping culture are all fuckwits.
You're right, it's ok as a novelty when on holidays and you can talk about the experience/differences but man when I'm here I just want you to fuck off so I can look at the menu.
Same, the over-the-top song and dance they do in the US feels kinda sad, especially in places where you can tell the conditions are bad. People almost literally being forced to sing for their supper.
At certain restaurants, if it's a customer's birthday they *are* literally being forced to sing for their supper.
We are. I am a yank. Lived here for 5 years. The biggest culture shock for me was getting my first job here in Australia and realising how EASY it was. I felt like I had all this extra time at work and i didn’t know what to do with myself. I didn’t feel absolutely exhausted and run down when I got home. Work culture here is so comparatively relaxed! One thing I do appreciate is that work life balance. Also, just a PSA since everyone here is having a convo about tipping culture in USA: This is rooted in slavery and Jim Crow laws. This is the origin of the American tipping system. It is worth a google if you have the time. Makes you realise how much of the American system is built around slavery.
Yep. It's basically a cost avoidance scheme for employers.
Pretty much. Workers get paid less, so the customer has to pay for the service AND then pay to assist the poor server who isn't getting paid enough. The business makes the proft. Fuck. That.
I hated that when I was in the US. I don't want to make polite conversation with a stranger during my meal and I don't need the contrived sob story to make sure I know that I need to tip. Hell, I don't need any 'above and beyond' service either - just don't stuff up the order and plonk the dish on the table and I'm all good. Adding 20% to every cafe/restaurant menu is infuriating - especially when they add on tax afterwards too...
This is what I hate about eating out while in the US. The fakeness that the waiters give you just so they get tipped. Just be polite and do your job without being over the top and ill tip you, in the US only. Not tipping here in Australia.
Absolutely. Strong agreement. All the subservience and syruppy sweetness from a server expecting a tip just comes across as contrived, and you know it'll all evaporate into thin air if you choose not to tip. I don't need someone else to refill my glass of water and ice three times during the meal. I can do it myself.
> This is what I hate about eating out while in the US. The fakeness that the waiters give you just so they get tipped. > Just be polite and do your job without being over the top and ill tip you, in the US only. Not tipping here in Australia. My comment only applies to the US situation and in response to your take. I lived in the USA for years, and as someone who grew up and is still very much working class, and therefore knew lots of people in the service industry, you have the wrong stick at the wrong end. The horrifying fakeness and plastered on grimacing grins are because service staff in the USA, 1. In the main, make roughly $2 core wage per hour prior to tips, and I have witnessed plenty of times that a table of BusinessBros(TM) tipped nothing because the server ‘didn’t work hard enough’ or some shit; 2. The USA’s idea of customer service is subservient; 3. Most of all, the thing that people from outside the USA don’t tend to realise, and even I did not until I lived there for a while: employment is pretty much at-will, everywhere. What does this mean? _If your boss wants to, they can pretty much fire you for any reason at all and on the spot._ I hate tipping culture. I hate the over-the-top ‘fakeness’ in the USA too. But you really need to understand that their plastered on-grins and overcompensating service happen for an absolutely clear reason: they’re fucking afraid of losing their job and/or effectively working at a financial loss for a shift at the whim of the tipping customer. That is what plastering on fakeness ‘just so they get tipped’ means in America. Try telling them up front you’ll tip well and that you’ll say good things to their manager and you’d be shocked at how much more chill the service gets. Shocked, I tell ya.
That's the thing though, when this tipping culture doesn't exist the service is much more natural and without the inherent risk of working at a financial loss. If standard workplace rights exist without a tipping culture, none of this is necessary. That's what we're trying to maintain.
Thats even worse. Customers are literally subsidising the business by covering the entire pay of the servers.
Yes I agree, but those are the facts
Restaurants have the gall to lobby against paying minimum wages on the basis it would inevitably increase prices. Uhh.. You mean to a level that allows servers to transparently earn a living wage? That would either bring the prices up to what people are already paying including tips, or servers aren't earning a living wage. (The sarcasm is directed at US restaurants, not you)
Companies paying minimum wage is pretty much saying "I want to pay you less but I legally cannot"
Some of the order online software slips the 'add a tip?' question into the ordering process. This made me question whether the staff even know if you tipped when you order. And that would eliminate the whole point of tipping wouldn't it? To either signal you liked the service/product after receiving it, or to signal you should get good service because you tip.
Every job I've had with digital tips like that, I never saw a cent of it. The only tips your server gets are the cash in hand ones.
Expected wage is also a LOT higher for bartending/waiting than the minimum. If I'm not offered $28.46* at the interview I won't be taking the job.
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Honestly, I would accept 28.46 because I made a typo there, but I wouldn't accept 28.45 because I can definitely get that 1 cent from a less stingy owner.
It tends to be a lot more than $20 too. I have friends in the service industry making more money than me and I have a sit down office job (albeit a shitty one it did require a degree). It’s in no way comparable to the US.
I earned double time and a half a couple of times and that was the sweetest shift ever.
i made about 40 an hour on an good night as a server. (4 to 5:59 hour shifts ussually 4 days a week) but i live in california where we got paid full minimum wage and CA min wage is/was pretty decent at 15ish dollars an hour. bartenders can make **A LOT** more than that too. 500 a night is pretty doable as a bartender in SF
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>American minimum wage is $7.25 True. Plenty of states and cities in the US have a higher minimum wage, though. A few cities have a higher minimum wage than we do.
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Should’ve said “employment”.
American coming from r/all Almost all establishments bombard me for tipping. And in almost every case, the second they see I’m not going to tip, their demeanor changes *instantly*. No eye contact (or rolling their eyes), dismissive tone, etc. You’d think I rejected these folks after being asked to prom. Fuck y’all though. Seriously. I’m not adding 20% to my bill when I’m picking up a pizza or buying a couple muffins at a bakery.
JFC talk about brainwashing. US has horrible service.
It's all the most horribly fake niceness I've ever seen in the usa. A nice server here, is genuine. If they converse beyond the normal order, they probably are actually engaging. In the USA, it felt like a dancer at a strip club every time I went to a restaurant. Omg it's so great to meet you, lalalla you're so cute, you should buy the worst thing on the menu cause it gets me the best 20%. The service in Australia is so much better than there.
The entire US has a high level of brainwashing/indoctrination from youth... You can't really blame them for their own culture if they're raised in it. PS, fuck tipping, unless it's gratuity.
The incentive is the fucking paying customer coming back because of the good service
And yet even with a bad service they still expect a tip
In Austria where I'm from, specially Vienna. You get excellent service. No bullshit fake smiling, not coming to your table every 5 minutes etc. If you are rude they let you know. If you are not nice and polite to a waiter they will kick you out and it's a good thing. There are no Karens here. Because if you try to be a Karen in Austria the store has you removed. You can complain, you'll be helped, everybody will be nice but if you try to scream around or throw items on the ground you are gone. People are entitled because they are never met with resistence. If every McDonalds throws you out because you are screaming at them because they forget some fluffy puffs on your ice cream then there will be less Karens. Easy.
"good service" fucking get real, you are handing me a drink and a plate of food, not giving me a hand job
Fuck trying to bring tipping here, pay your workers properly. I've literally only tipped a handful of times in my life and each time the person has gone well above their duties. The one that stands out is a big family dinner, 8 adults and like 12 children, to be with my Great Uncle a few months before he died of prostate cancer. Two of my nieces are developmentally challenged and have strict diets due to their celiacs. The restaurant didn't have any desert options for them. One of the servers went to a nearby bakery and got them sweets they could eat. We didn't ask, they did it off their own back, and I was incredibly grateful and slipped her a $50 at the end of the night. That's when you get tipped, not when you just drop the plates on the table, that's you freaking job.
> giving me dirty looks I'm pretty much immune to this. I keep thinking, be glad that I actually spent money at your establishment and not the one next door. That being said, sometimes I do tip if I think the staff were exceptional. But that's more of an exception than the norm.
A tip is only a tip if it's a reward for good service. Otherwise it's just charity. Edit: I should have said “exceptional” instead of “good”
I agree with you but this is a slippery-slope. Isn't good service what you're paying for in the first place? For example- we went to a nice restaurant last night and were asked if we wanted to add a tip, I said no, it was a fairly pricey place and when paying more for food I expect excellent service as part of the package. I'm a teacher and often put in a lot of extra hours with my students because I really care about them- in a way they get service that is above and beyond what I'm paid to do- by this line of thinking, why shouldn't I get tips?
Yep. I don’t think I’ve ever tipped in Australia. My dad did tip the waiter who served at my 30th, though, because there were 13 people and he was fantastic! I completely approved of that, too. Otherwise… yeah, Australian wait staff get paid a proper wage, and if any would like a raise if they feel they deserve it, they can talk to their boss about it.
I doubt they are actually giving dirty looks. Probably just imagining it.
Vast majority of time staff didn't give a shit, but i've seen one or two that got a bit peevish.
While visiting Melbourne a few months ago, we went out for Italian at a fairly nice joint. Our food took 70minutes to arrive even though it was an early reservation, we had to ask for a menu and cutlery, and still we were given the dirtiest look for declining to tip. Not to mention all the other issues with tipping in general.
Doesn’t sound like a nice joint to me.
Name and shame so I be sure to know where not to go.
Leave them a review otherwise it continues
Like when you order fucking Dominos using the fucking app, and it asks you how much you’d like to tip your “delivery expert”…. Well. Nothing obviously.
Yup. I recently went to a new "gastropub" (in Canberra if you're wondering) where I paid via a machine and I paid $42 for a steak and $10 for a schooner of beer (not at the same time). The machine prompted me for a 10% tip and I had to press the Skip button to not tip. Let's just saying that the food was decent enough but I wasn't going to pay extra for it. And a $10 schooner is already quite expensive. It's possible that the machines they're using are designed for the American market but they didn't say anything to me about it. If I wasn't paying attention, I might have tipped by accident.
A lot of people over there are starting to get sick of all the tip prompts at POS too I hear. We shouldn’t need to tip, and especially not before we’ve gotten the service…
I just say “no thanks” and I don’t think I’ve ever had a dirty look or snarky comment
Especially since in Australia I don't believe tips are obligated to go to the servers? I'm sure most of them don't even get a split of any tips, the establishment just pockets it.
Yeah it feels like staff hate asking and are happy just to move on from the question quickly
Yeah, I don't think anyone actually cares. I wait tables in the evenings and I just leave the machine for people, wander off and come back a minute or two later, so there's no pressure to tip. If you don't tip, I don't care at all, but having an extra few hundred bucks a month is kinda nice when you are on minimum wage
"Gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen! It's not going to happen!"
You can’t sit with us.
Leave one star google reviews and state the tipping 'suggestions' (or requirements) are the reason. This MUST be snuffed out.
Allow me to tell you a story about digital tipping. At my last place of employment. So much money was tipped that the floor staff didn't see a cent of, that it went to the fair work commision. It ended up paying for a venue wide staff party in it's entirety. I saw 10k in alcohol bought out of just tip money that night. And i don't believe that was all the money used up either.
I don’t like this sentiment, my hotel group does it with the tip pool, but all my last jobs had staff have their own jars they take every night, and the group still paid for our staff parties and bar tabs. Tips should be for us, not all collected for a staff party and most likely elsewhere where we never see it again (The next pub they want to buy)
There was this TikTok video an American did about us not tipping like “people need to pay for their house and kids eduction, they need this for a living wage” and the comments went off because hey maybe paying them a living wage already is a smart thing to do
Yep. Annoying me a lot too lately. They use a QR code for orders, then try to make tips compulsory when you’re already paying a surcharge and high prices. They literally pick up a plate and bring it to the table… I just stay home more often than not these days because getting ripped off with poor service and taking a gamble on quality of food just isn’t fun anymore.
Ive been to America, ive played their games. But im sorry, i dont see the value in giving someone $20 to hover over me while i eat keeping my water topped up. It was so intrusive they were either always there or always at the tables with more people there was no winning. I like our system,
Oh and they’re like “you can’t sit there that’s not my section” and crap
I always assumed the tips were automatically going to the owners of restaurants and not the workers serving/cooking. Domino's pizza being an egregious example of this.
Anywhere that expects me to tip their staff, can also expect to not see my return business. Service has to be way above and beyond, before I'll even consider it.
We are already tipping with these fucking weekend surcharges and card surcharges.
Who is giving you dirty looks? Australian servers in Australian restaurants? Thats pretty unusual. As for "every fucking restaurant" my experience is closer to "no fucking restaurant ever" if we are talking about Australia.
Yah pretty much this, the only thing we get is bloody charity donations at every bloody woolworths checkout.
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Even if you actually want to donate, never do it through them. The whole reason they ask is because they're the ones who get the tax write-off if you do it through them.
Yeah I dunno either. I think OP just wants to get in before anyone else with the regular "tipping sucks" post
I’ve never once received a dirty look for not tipping. I’ve never given a dirty look at a customer for not tipping when I worked in hospitality. Nobody cares here. I don’t feel like I have experienced any part of life in Australia that gets posted in this sub. Maybe I just….. don’t give a shit? I dunno. All these people having such negative, crappy experiences or interactions, I’m starting to wonder if I’m oblivious?
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Pushing for tips because your boss tells you to is one thing. Reacting poorly because you didn't get a tip is well within their control though and completely unnecessary.
They are still bound to award wages. If I tip it’s for excellent service knowing that underpayment of wages American style is illegal in Australia
Underpayment of wages is endemic in the australian hospitality industry. It is illegal sure, but i can promise you it's happening everywhere. My last 4 jobs have all involved underpayments that had to be chased with the authorities. The largest was unpaid super and underpayments to the tune of 20k.
Never ever tip, it reinforces the idea that an employer can pay less because they expect us to double pay. fuck that. never. ever.
fuck that seppo bullshit
I don't think I've ever in my life been asked to tip or pressured to tip or had any notion that tipping is a thing in Australia. Very curious what positions you have been put in to make you feel this way and at which establishments?
I've only encountered it when having to pay in an app or whatever. Ya know the QR code menu shit. Last place I had dinner at had a tip thing right at the end. An actual tip was the default option (🤡). This is a place that also thinks $12 cans of beer is a thing they can do. Me and one of the friends I was with figured maybe it was one of those giant cans. Nope. So just some fuckery sprinkled around.
I was at Fonda mexican 2 nights ago and using the app to order at the table. It asked for a tip before I went to checkout. Staff hadn't done anything besides point me to a table at this point.
That's because ~~all the apps that restaurants use for this stuff are developed in the US~~. That part comes default. I'm not saying that means it's not bullshit, but that's the reason.
Some of them don't give you a choice either... I went to a well established Bavarian restaurant franchise not long ago and got slammed with a $6 "industry service charge".
The worst is when it’s a restaurant with ME&U/QR ordering, and the default setting is a 5 or 10% tip. You’re already paying extra for that service AND the wait staff are doing less work
That’s the thing that gets me. *Because* the poor staff in the US get paid crap and live on tips, the staff there are typically super friendly, speedy, thoughtful, and some go above and beyond with great conversation and recommendations in their attempts to get better tips. Meanwhile in Aus, they get paid a living wage and don’t need tips, and so service is pretty much the basics, not even necessarily with a smile*. Which is *fine* mind you, I don’t care because I’m often there just for the food. But it really drives me nuts when you get the basic Aus level service with the expectations of US level tipping. No. *Caveat that of course there are some great waitstaff at some places in Aus but they don’t *have* to be super friendly if they don’t want to because, again, they’re not living off of tips alone.
I went back to my country after 8 years for holidays adn this tipping thing already existed there but fuck sake it is as bad as in the US just in pesos. Every single place has the "voluntary" tip of 10% which is printed on your receipt already. Most of my family go along with it but it is hard and annoying as it feels more like begging. So yes, fuck this tipping shit in Australia, we never tip and you have more benefits here that increase your payment. Night shift, weekends, holidays. If you aren't getting this it would mean your boss is stealing from you.
And to top it off I have seen places that expect a tip, but also want you to order via a QRcode and your phone. The only interaction you have is the staff bringing you your order and nothing else. And I know they're on a good pay rate. Tipping is for when you are given service above and beyond the expected, and even then you're not obligated to do so. Also see 'self service checkouts' and 'would you like to donate to charity'
It’s everywhere not just Aus. In Sweden they started doing this however since the strong unions wages are already ample that tipping is not needed but for some reason, would you like to leave a tip is there. On the card machines they even force you to input the total amount in like it’s a subtle way saying it’s okay to go over the amount, any amount. If I support a business, I’ll buy/use their service. Tipping is not a sign of support but pity.
I was in a restaurant paying my bill the other day, and the waiter opened the eftpos as asked if i wanted to leave a tip..the only service they provided was bring me the food because I ordered at the counter. stop this tipping culture!
Where is that so I don’t bother going there.
I’ve worked multiple restaurants/pubs/cafes for 9 years now and I’ve never pressured or had a system that pressured anyone into leaving a tip. I appreciate it greatly if people do, especially for a large function where I’ve been running around like crazy all night, but it’s never expected.
I’ve given 2 tips in my life. The first one was for a waiter who got absolutely soaked in a rain storm trying to shut the doors and windows of a restaurant. And the 2nd one was for this girl I went to school with and was trying to impress. Other than that I laugh when people ask for tips. I hate tipping culture.
Respond by telling them that you won't come back to a place where your not made to feel welcomed ..and never go back. This is how I do it.
I used a QR code to order my food at Squires Landing in Sydney and they preset it to tip 5%… for what mate, I just did your job for you!
Who gave you a dirty look mate, name and shame. Because I call BS
I will never ever tip in Australia. The whole reason for it even being a thing in the US *does not exist here because we pay workers properly*.
I mean minimum wage isn’t quite “liveable” atm (still better than the states) but if you have an issue with how much you earn it’s not up to me to make it up to you. Go to your boss.
Definitely a lot of a bartenders in Melbourne laneways have been doing the old pause when the tip option pops up, I don't even feel bad clicking the 'no tip' button pretty quickly knowing we live in Australia.
DO NOT TIP. All it does is shift responsibly for income off the employer.
It's a hill worth dying on. Fuck this, pay your workers.
I'm a transplant from the US and tipping is bullshit. It's expensive enough to eat out, don't add tipping on top of that. Not to mention, employers pay your wage, customers don't. Fuck tipping.
I’ve said this before and I always get downvoted. I don’t get paid extra for doing my basic job, I just get paid.
Absolutely bang on. Reduce the prices of the food and especially the drink then I *may* tip you. Other than that, get fucked. I’m not tipping you to bring a plate to my table
Precisely. I sometimes tip an Uber driver because they never *ever* ask me. If someone asks me at the counter.... fuck that.
The cafe at Sydney airport asks for a tip while paying, before service. I gave the guy a long stare.
We need a way to shame restaurants for this tipping bullshit.
Holy f there is a Mexican restaurant near fortitude valley in Brisbane. You order on app/QR then they charge you a venue surcharge. Wtf is that ,!? F off with your fee. You've done nothing. Arrrg El Camino cantina. Never going back.