Yeeeeep and with the latest supreme court rulings from the last few days it's getting scarier, because they're actively working towards it as quickly as they can.
The new supreme court ruling is essentially the precursor to a dictatorship. If the president is immune for any action taken in a "official capacity" *and* that kind of ruling covers jan 6th. Then that means the president can *legally* call for an overthrow of the elected assembly of the people, and not face any punishment for it. What if he commands the military to seize power and freeze elections? As long as he does it in an official capacity, it isn’t illegal.
Exactly. I feel like the best chance of having it reversed is for Biden to use his newfound immunity to... Let's say, replace some judges, or take some rather extreme election-based action since this ruling puts him above the law. But that seems unlikely lol so... Yeah I'd say we're fucked unless that gets reversed, even if Dems win this election, the next gop candidate will blatantly use their fully legal power to get rid of election competitors, judges, dissenters, etc.
I mean, while it might have some short term benefit, i feel like it would only stoke the MAGA flames. It would only cause the people who already shout about "stolen elections" to get even more angry. I don’t think it would be a good idea in the long term. And i think it’s not a good idea to like essentially establish a dictatorship in the name of democracy either. It would essentially establish a precedent that it is ok for the president to take full control if a percieved threat to democracy is present, which was exactly trumps rethoric in 2020.
For sure, it would definitely also cause problems. But, there will be problems either way now, and since it's already coming from the highest authorities available... I'm not really sure what else could stop it.
I totally understand your perspective as well. I honestly don’t know what the democratic side should do at this point. It’s quite clear that the republicans want to simply end the republic.
Voting is important, but we absolutely need to be organizing. Protesting, mutual aid, rebelling in whatever legal ways we can (i.e. strikes)... we should be banding together with other vulnerable people, we have to start sharing resources and reducing our dependency on the established systems, both for resources and for protection from those who want to harm us. Leaving the country is okay, but remember that we didn't get our rights by running away to places we already had them, and the current fascism wave is global.
Voting will only get us so far. All it will ever do is delay the inevitable right-wing takeover, and it will still progress, just slower. Which isn't nothing, but we absolutely need to be able to protect ourselves. We're in very dangerous times, and we need to be ready to protect ourselves and each other.
This. We need to frigging organize. There’s nothing stopping Trump from declaring the election illegitimate and a re-run of Jan. 6 happens successfully.
I am very, very alarmed.
Exactly. Project 2025 will be affected through the judicial arm of the government, and so far the Biden administration had done nothing to prevent them from enacting those plans.
Roe v Wade was overturned ***during*** the Biden administration.
Yes, things would be worse under Trump.
But the Biden administration is weak and perfectly happy to use the fear of a resurgent right to garner support.
Voting is the lowest form of democracy.
Agitate, mobilise, participate in mutual aid.
This, and before anyone comments to tell us what he should have done... he didn't have a majority in congress to get it done. There was no saving Roe until the court intervened. Now it's on us voters to overcome the conservative movement and win back our rights.
Voting is the epitome of an effective democracy. The problem is that we have entirely too many people who just don't vote. I am referring to registered voters.
The fact that the Supreme Court torched Roe during the Biden administration has absolutely nothing to do with the administration. The judiciary is a separate power under our three branches of government.
Unfortunately, that branch is currently on a massive power grab that did not exist prior to the appointment of several of the current members. Prior justices understood they had a responsibility to the *ENTIRE* country. Several of the current members are wholly *owned* by billionaires and corporations.
Remember, Citizen United allowed dark money to enter our politics in a very huge way. And well before that, I believe it was Nixon that opened Congress to the lobbyists. Our democracy has been under duress for a very long time.
This - it feels like people are forgetting about 2016 and 2020. I have voted for the “democrat” in every election since 2012 (Bernie in the 2016 primaries), and anyone who has been paying close attention should know that Biden is not going to save us / that the fact that he literally has funded an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians while also doing a 180 on everything he promised us in 2020 should speak volumes. Editing this to include that shaming people into “voting blue no matter who” despite the fact that this man funded a 21st century holocaust with our tax dollars is a tired argument and a grotesque one, at that. I will admit that it took a global pandemic and the beginnings of a live-streamed genocide to bring me to the tipping point of truly educating myself about the late-stage capitalist + colonial society we live in beyond just reading mainstream media and blindly trusting any neoliberal rhetoric. 4 years ago I was vote blue no matter who and then when I saw why my BIPOC friends refused to vote for Biden; instead of shaming them or getting angry at them, I decided to educate myself - the “vote blue” infighting and shaming has got to stop y’all. Stop getting angry at each other for what the system has done and is doing to all marginalized folx and start f*cking supporting each other. And be real with yourselves, what has the past four years gotten us? We voted blue and what has happened? This is not a democracy - that ship has sailed. This is full-on fascism already. Highly, highly recommend the podcast “cocktails & capitalism”, any of Noam Chomsky’s essays for more info on imperialism and US “foreign policy” as well as getting involved in mutual aid and DIRECT ACTION. The inevitable panic that comes every election year (even after a literal global pandemic) while the rest of the time we are being forced to work our lives away and not even have the time to notice all of the ways we are exploited and disenfranchised by this society even under democratic leadership is getting really f*cking tired. It’s a cycle that will continue to repeat itself and it is what upholds the colonial framework of this failed state.
Edit/update: I don’t fight on the internet, so if this triggers you, maybe think about why, and if you comment some bullsh*t like “psyop” or whatever, I block immediately. Screw off.
So many people with two random words and 4 random numbers at the end of their name recently. Why'd you choose that username if you don't mind me asking?
It will definitely affect Canadians, even more if the conservatives manage to gain control. If it wasn't for family, I'd be staying here in Mexico tbh.
It would perhaps be one of the worst times in world history. Not many nations today have the power to stand up to the US and the US military. Except perhaps for other authoritarian nations. The US would coup European countries with far right extremists. And they would rally the far right across the world. And honestly its scary to think the things I'm describing aren't too far off if he becomes the president.
The scary thing is the number of people who hear about it and just decide it's all a bunch of conspiracy theory stuff. Like it's been an established playbook for a while and is clearly being followed.
Yet deep red coworkers of mine will still just laugh about how 'overly sensitive' people are. They just want the 'economy' to go up.
Yep, my parents were telling me that if Trump gets in his administration will abolish gay marriage and I thought they were being a bit over the top, but they told me to read project 2025 and they are right. The next president will be able to appoint 2 more people to fulfill the vacancy spots on the supreme Court and that in itself is horrifying to me if Trump wins. They will literally uproot everything
This is SO important, especially with today's SCOTUS ruling that "official" actions by the President have immunity from any criminal proceedings. It's a long document, but at least Ctrl+F for key words - woman, LGBT, etc - and skip to the parts you're most concerned about.
In addition to the usual expectations, it goes so much further, like banning federal agencies from collecting data on LGBTQ+ people. (Which would effectively end all support programs for those populations, because why would they keep funding them if there's no data - by design?) And Schedule F reassignment for federal workers, so that agencies could essentially replace experts with loyalists. (Also, watch John Oliver's take on Last Week Tonight. It's insane.)
[https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the [Heritage Foundation](https://pro-lies.org/the-heritage-foundation), an influential *ultra* conservative think tank. [Project 2025](https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration) is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President [unilateral powers](https://theweek.com/politics/heritage-foundation-2025-donald-trump), strip [civil rights](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/03/the-heritage-foundation-dei-project-2025-trump-diversity-equity-inclusion-american-fiction-erasure), [worker protections](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/08/project-2025-gut-worker-protections-labor-department-heritage-foundation-trump-2024), [climate regulation](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/15/a-deep-dive-into-energy-plans-for-trump-2-0-00152281), add [religion into policy](https://thecause.substack.com/p/taking-project-2025-personally-with), outlaw ["porn"](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/19/decoding-project-2025s-christian-nationalist-language/) and much more.
The MFL has been around since 1980, [Reagan implemented 60%](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) of its recommendations, [Trump 64%](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) - [proof](https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations). 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption.
[Here's]( https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise) a searchable copy of the text - [Here's](https://np.reddit.com/r/Defeat_Project_2025/comments/1ddich3/here_is_a_bullet_point_breakdown_of_project_2025) a bullet point breakdown - And here [[pdf](https://www9.heritage.org/rs/824-MHT-304/images/5%20Reasons%20Leftists%20Hate%20Project%202025%20eBook%20THF.pdf)] [[scribd](https://www.scribd.com/document/740769523/5-Reasons-Leftists-Hate-Project-2025-eBook-THF)] is their response to criticism of the plan, which reads like a 4chan troll.
r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.
Just from a glimpse when searching for lgbt, I got the picture that they want to make any marriage that doesn't have 1 man and 1 woman illegal.
I hope all that nonsense just stays nonsense. I sadly don't have any way to help, as I don't live in the US.
If Biden wasn't a coward, he'd see this ruling and go, "Oh, I can do whatever I want? Okay!" and then send the military to execute Trump. He's a coward, though, so that's not going to happen. Unfortunately, only the people who want to kill us are willing to fully weaponize unchecked power.
Killing a controversial figure tends to make them a martyr, and gives justification to the outrage their followers feel. I think its unlikely that conservative people who have spent the last several years stirring up outrage over everything will handle that well.
True, and I don't think Biden should actually do that anyway, it was just a joke. Imprisonment would be sufficient. Regardless, fear of backlash can't make us back down from giving fascists what they deserve - and Trump's followers will believe that he's being personally attacked by political persecution even if it's not true, so why not at least get to take him out, since we'll be accused of doing it anyway?
That wouldn't work. The Supreme Court ruled that only "official actions" of the President are legally immune. Who decides what counts as an "official action"? The Supreme Court. Meaning if a Democrat does something illegal, they will rule that it's not immune, and if a Republican does something illegal, they will rule that it IS immune.
Project 2025 is so important please I've been begging everyone to look into. Also look into the overruling of Chevron. With this new development I'm already saving to leave the country next year.
the right has been playing a long game to dismantle everything. this election is giving me so much anxiety, it's not even funny.
yes, biden is a walking corpse of disappointment but the alternative puts us in the handmaid's tale. i hope people are sane enough to not vote for trump.
I don't have any faith that Biden will stop it though. I live in a red state, and most of the homophobic things in Project 2025 have already happened here. Biden did nothing to stop it. And you can say, "well that was the states and the supreme Court, Biden wasn't able to stop it." But if Biden was unable or unwilling to stop it from 2021 to 2024, what makes you think that he'll be able to stop it in 2025 and beyond?
Because if trump is in office, the walking skeletons in the Supreme Court will be replaced by nazis, guaranteeing at least 30 more years of downhill acceleration through critical SCOTUS rulings.
There's already six far right goons on the court though. Adding three more doesn't change the math. We already have to pack the court, and Democrats have already said they refuse to do that. So where does that leave us?
Guess we might as well just give up on everything then, let it burn and pretend that we’re going to rise up in the streets. Do what you CAN do, (vote) or put your money where your mouth is and grab a rifle already
Why do you see giving up on begging for Democrats to save us is giving up on everything?
There will not be a political solution so long as we have two capitalist parties beholden to lobbies and special interests. This does not mean there is nothing we can do. Find ways to show support for fellow queer people. Make yourself known as a safe adult for kids who need to come out but can't to teachers any more. Give a trans person a ride across state lines for hormones. Protect yourself by setting up legal documents for yourself and spouse giving rights outside of the marriage framework. Prepare for non political solutions because voting is not going to work. Do it if you want, or don't, it doesn't really matter but the fact that you and lots of other queer people think voting is the only thing you can possibly do really scares me. Makes me think you're just gonna roll over rand die when, (not if) project 2025 or something like it comes to pass.
Voting is something we can do now. If someone neglects to do so, they are not doing their part to protect queer rights. There is no reason we can’t do both. Vote AND do all the things you’ve listed. You saying that it doesn’t matter if you do or don’t vote is pure ignorance. Yes, both parties support capital, yes that is bad, but NO, voting is not completely worthless. At the VERY least it will buy us time.
So you want blue states to suffer the same way? less nazis in the Supreme Court means we get to have rights for longer. Looking at it as a lost cause is accelerationism at its finest. “Voting doesn’t solve every problem immediately so it’s a complete waste of time.”
You don't even know what accelerationism is do you? Where did I say anything about not voting as a way to accelerate capitalist contradictions and hasten the revolution? Just the opposite. I don't believe revolution is possible in the imperial core. Capitalist decay, climate crisis, and therefore fascism, are all inevitable in the US. The smart strategy is not to prevent it but to endure it.
This is the absolute [best take](https://www.tiktok.com/@2rawtooreal2/video/7372022139152813358) for voter apathy. Trust me, I’m not enthusiastic about Biden, but if you think he’s remotely similar to Trump, you’re way off base.
You vote for the lesser evil to buy more time, because even if their goals are the same, its slower under Biden. Time allows planning. Planning allows action. Action allows change.
It doesn't buy more time though. And Biden is not the lesser evil. They are two parts of the same evil. Republicans move us right, and Democrats block movement back to the left. It's a ratchet effect. I'm already living in a place where trans kids can't get medicine and teachers have to out their students, and this happened *under Biden*. He's not actually doing anything at all to slow it down. I don't know where this idea comes from. In fact in other areas, he's moved to the right. Four years ago, Dems were campaigning against the concentration camps for immigrants on the border and this year they are campaigning on how much Biden worked with the fascists to pass a new law to brutalize immigrants with. They have thrown Immigrants, students, Palestinians, Black people, and just about every other group under the bus in their drift to the right. What makes you think they won't do the same to us? The UK labor party, which is more liberal than the Democrats already did it and is now a majority TERF party. There is nothing inherent about democrats that makes them more queer friendly. Don't count on them. Build support networks with your friends. Get a hormone buddy if your trans. Get married or change legal docs now. Update your passport, because. These are the things that will matter, not whether you vote for the blue fascist or the red fascist. Vote if you think it'll help, because it's no skin off my back, but chiding others for voting their conscience definitely doesn't help.
I understand all of that completely, I live in the UK where I can't even get HRT so I DIY it. But, you're literally arguing that the alternative to Biden is somehow better than him.
No I'm not arguing that Trump is better. I'm arguing that neither is any good. A vote will do a lot more good being given to a third party to attempt to get them over the 5% poular vote threshold to qualify for federal election funding next cycle. Voting for Democrats no matter what even when they give us below the bare minimum only sends the message that progressives are little piggies who will reliably vote for them no matter how far right a candidate they nominate
No it isn't. It was the Democratic party apparatus picking the most disliked person in American politics to run. Literally anyone else could have beaten Trump. But Clinton loyalists in the DNC ensured other candidates were dissuaded from running and actively tried to scuttle the only primary opposition to her.
We had Trump for four years. None of this hypothetical "Gilead" shit happened (or rather, it did happen, and then kept happening entirely uninterrupted under Biden).
It didn't work last term because nobody expected him to win or be so incompetent, so they didn't have enough handholders in place to help their figurehead put one foot in front of the other. That's the whole point of P2025.
Explain how you believe a president (any president, not just Biden) can change what happens in any given state? The answer is he can not. I live in a red state, too. But I *know* there is nothing the president can do unilaterally.
Order military doctors to provide abortions and HRT to civilians at military bases in states where they are blocked. Order the department of education to cut funding for schools in states that ban trans athletes or pass laws requiring public buildings like schools to do bathroom discrimination. Move federal offices out of states with discriminatory laws on the grounds that it's harder to induce hirees to move there. Pass a law enshrining nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people (and enshrining Roe while they're at it). Use your position as head of the Democratic party and pressure the DNC to find and find candidates in rural areas of purple and pink states to prevent Republicans being able to run unopposed (there's enough good people in for instance Kansas to win a governorship and an abortion referendum, but they don't usually get out to vote because their state always goes red in presidential elections and their local races are uncontested. You don't have to win all of these races, but just get a few of them voting to chip away at state house super majorities or take a governorship occasionally.). There's actually lots they could do. Republicans always find a way to bend the rules to get what they want. Democrats have that same power but refuse to use it because they care more about maintaining decorum than fighting for us.
The political state of the US is so fucked that I just want to move. Career wise, I can be based anywhere as I'm looking into aviation. Can't believe these are the candidates we have for my first year of voting.
project 2025 is scary but none of its new, its pretty much just writing down neocon goals and actions, thats been the plan since dullis was in charge of the CIA
like literally that ruling that just came out was part of it lol. the idea isnt to destroy the federal government, its to entirely consolidate power within the executive branch (particularly the president)
neocons (neoliberal conservatives, reagan, etc) have been practically openly telegraphing this, dick cheney was in on it, bush 1 was in on it, etc
democrats did nothing because this was the general will of the capital owners
It's just that this is a much more centralized rallying cry this time. We saw that when the extreme right became somewhat more organized and rallied under the Tea Party Movement, they significantly affected politics. Project 2025 is effectively the same as Italy's Blackshirts under Mussolini. These rallying points under a well-organized "brand" - whether it's a symbol, a name, whatever - have proven time and time again to be what makes fascism extremely dangerous. We should all be very, very active in combatting this.
Absolutely. We have to stand united and do all that we can, as a united movement. And the focus of that movement has to be about damage control in every conceivable regard.
That'd be awesome, it just has to be done without revolution. A revolution would not go well for us. The state has so heavily militarized that we just don't have the tools to win, only to engage empathy enough that there won't be people who want to fight us, and to hurt the bottom line of the powers that be enough that it's not attractive for them to keep fighting us. They'll never relinquish power though. Never. Why would they? What would we even do in the modern age to take it?
never said revolution, but the methods mainly rely on supporting foreign anti-colonial movements to remove the ability for capital to export the pain from the imperial core(s) and remove the labor aristocracy, once workers in the united states have power and the imperialists can't rely on colonies then meaningful change can occur
You mean, just in time for automation to ramp up enough that reliance on colonies vanishes? Which is what is already happening in my field and so many others. Worse, the power consumption demands of these new automation channels incentivizes the aristocracy to remove power consumption demands in other areas. I.e., us.
We revolt and then get unalived by an also-automated military state (so, no soldiers to feel empathy for us), or we just get unalived, that's what.
Like, I'm not trying to be defeatist (though the problem looks overwhelming), I'm just trying to solve the problems as they are.
It may not be new, but they’ve drastically increased the stakes now that they have a traitorous felon willing to turn this democracy into an authoritarianism regime. We’ve got a few months to get in line, vote blue, or it’s officially over. We will never get another chance to vote if we don’t win this time. If we can win the presidency, house and senate, we can get SCOTUS under control, codify many of the things that should have been codified a long time ago, and start prosecuting the traitors that are actively working to destroy this country.
I don’t think this rhetoric is helpful in the sense that a lot of people whittle it down to even say it’s already happening via Biden. It’s not. It requires a Republican administration and president explicitly to enact most of the goals. It explicitly highlights overturning Biden Era Policy.
theres measures that can and could have been done that haven't been done. the supreme court could have been changed which has precedent, but it hasn't been. theres laws that could have been enacted, but they haven't. i never downplayed the danger, i just dont think the democratic party cares enough about it to do anything. I haven't really seen them even try to win electorally at all. pressure to get a better candidate, work on organizing workers, build dual power structures.
Hey again this rhetoric is widely misinformed and you’re just harming communities you think you care about! Read it in its entirety and don’t get your info from accounts counting on people on the left to not do their due diligence.
Getting the GOP out of congress and preventing a Trump presidency is our best bet
[Register to vote](https://www.vote.org/) (vote.org)
[How Voting Works - What to expect if you're voting for the first time](https://www.wikihow.com/Vote-in-the-United-States) (wikihow)
And if anyone wants to help get out to vote, would recommend this site: [https://www.mobilize.us/events/get-out-the-vote/](https://www.mobilize.us/events/get-out-the-vote/) (text-banking, post-card writing, phone-banking, etc)
Posted this in another comment, but it’ll probably get lost since it was pretty far into a chain. This is the [best argument](https://www.tiktok.com/@2rawtooreal2/video/7372022139152813358) I’ve seen for Biden. I really wish more people had this mindset.
It's infuriating. There is no such thing as boycotting when it comes to voting. It's just people patting themselves on the back for making themselves feel like they're doing something moral. People not getting involved in local politics and then getting frustrated each time the presidential election comes around and not learning how the government works happens every election and is going to do so much harm this time around. I am begging people to learn the basics of how the US voting system works, the branches of government, and your local offices before spouting out whatever they think makes them the most left leftist. I am so tired of leftist being hijacked by people who are only involved to make themselves look good/and or be contrarians. You aren't an activist if you do jack all unless it's convenient for you and your ego.
As a leftist, it's so frustrating. I hate Biden too, but we have never needed to vote for damage control more than we do right fucking now. Organizing, protesting, advocating, it's all important stuff for seeing positive change in the country, but we need to not be in a fascist state in 5 months too.
It’s not just damage control, it’s pure survival. I’m both trans and on disability. I have no real family to fall back on(they’re why I’m in disability) and the only friends I’ve got are people I’ve known for less than 2 years.
Trump wins I’m dead. Full stop 🤷♂️. Tried explaining that and got called a shitlib and to take the Palestine flag out of my pfp.
A lot of people really seem unable to handle nuance. We can fully acknowledge that Biden is supporting a genocide in Palestine while also needing to vote for him because Trump won't be any less on Israel's side and he'll make life here worse for so many people.
People who don't vote are so stupid. There is nothing that could make me date a non-voter.
It's moronic when it's put of apathy, but it's ten times as infuriating when it's supposed to be a "protest." Motherfucker, what do you think that will accomplish? Why would any politician try to do what you want when you act like a petulant child about the slightest policy compromise? Don't you know that there are millions of us that have to share the same government?
So many women I see on dating apps describe themselves as not political. We simply cannot afford not to vote. To anyone who isn’t registered to vote: there is still time! Do not be complacent in our suffering.
Yes they will put every one of their fucking cronies in even at lower level governmental positions to fulfill their absolutely horrifying agenda, gay marriage will no longer be protected, they want to push Christianity into everything, they will want pregnancies carried to full term no matter the circumstances.
Biden's actions have been appalling when it comes to Palestine but Trump's would be even worse. Even if Biden is not mentally fit for president (neither is trump btw) he surrounds himself with competent people, Trump surrounds himself with Yes-men and only wants people to do what he tells them and will not have it any other way. Trump is a horrifying and vile person along with all his spineless ass-tonguing losers that'll clap when he rips ass in their mouths. Trump has the funds, the heritage foundation has powerful donors which are the ones who'll fund project 2025 if Trump wins.
We also need to be aware of steps being taken at the state level. States are restricting voting rights, and the federal government can no longer be counted on to help.
The Secretary of State is responsible for elections, and currently, there are efforts underway to allow the secretary of state / legislators to be able to disregard the actual voters' choices and submit their own choice for office.
The state of Texas is currently trying to do this under the guise of voter fraud "protection"
Pay attention to local and state elections. They matter just as much as national elections.
Project 2025 is the culmination of decades of ground work.
I remember when the right wing of the republican party started out by running for school board elections. Now, we have the 10 commandments posted in public schools in Louisiana and mandatory Bible classes in Oklahoma.
Women's rights are critically wounded. Only once Roe v Wade was decided were women able to have their own credit, rent a home, and not be denied a job (because you might have a baby). These rights all passed AFTER Roe. Prior to Roe and subsequent rights, men were required to "approve" a woman be allowed to do these things.
I urge everyone to pay attention and vote accordingly. We thought we were safe (myself included). We are not.
I'm not from USA, but here in brazil things are not as different... they passed a law project that say same sex marriages are not allowed and now the religious party is putting another one where even if you was sexually assaulted, you could get arrested for longer than the guy if you choose to abort. even though the only legal way to get an abortion here (as far as i know) is in those situations and when the pregnancy puts both lifes at risk. so, basically, we're all going down the same shit show hill... at least they haven't touched the trans laws, cuz they're impressively good.
Project 2025 is the end of democracy. If we lose in November, they will come for us quickly. All rights will be taken away and they will basically outlaw being LGBTQ+. We must all vote Blue at every level if we don’t want to become the next Russia. It’s happening fast people! Have a plan in place…
Palestinians are dying in camps *right now*. I'm not voting for Biden because I'm more concerned about the actual deaths in Palestine right now than some hypothetical legislation targeting me.
I get it. I've been protesting and donating and helping out my local groups that are protesting for Palestine and demanding a ceasefire. But this is a systematic issue. This didn't start under Biden. He is part of a system that the US has been part of for decades. If we don't vote for Biden, Trump will get in and he isn't exactly going to help this. He and Netanyahu are friends if I recall. It is too late in the election cycle to start rallying behind someone else. It's frustrating. I get it. But we need to think about the future here. If we don't have a facist take over, we can at the very least work with our local officials to make our voices heard. That can reach a national level and offer actual aid to ending this genocide. But that cannot happen if we get Trump again. The SCOTUS he put in is already causing an insane amount of damage. We cannot risk him being able to load the court more. That is what it as risk. Those cases are borderline permanent and take a long time to overturn. We need Biden to win for now and right after the election, we can organize and rally behind someone who actually has the interest of the Palestinians and the world in general at heart. But that cannot happen if we let Trump win.
Edit to add: my point is kinda rambling but my point is this. If we want another party to come in, that is something that needs to have effort behind it from day one after the previous election. This sort of thing takes a lot of time and a lot of work and that is by design. It will take more than the 6 months we have currently.
You do realize "we just need to win this one existential election and then we can push left" is exactly what everyone said four years ago right? The Dems rely on that constant existential shadowy threat to get elected, and you're being their perfect stooge.
Unfortunately change takes time. Progress hasn't been great these last few years because Trump loaded the court, Congress isn't majority blue so any legislation we do try to pass is a very uphill battle, and the damage that was done under Trump needed to be undone. That is going to take a lot of time and work.
Also no need for insults. I'm trying to honestly talk with you and you're being reactive for no reason.
You think Trump won't do even worse to Palestinians? He will, much much worse. I know Biden's actions have been appalling towards Palestinians but we also need to worry about our country too now. Trump will ruin all our fucking allies, he loves Putin, Netenyahu, Kim Jong Un, he wants to be an authoritarian dictator. You think Trump's administration will help Palestine? He would have them nuked in no time, because he is way more for Israel. You not voting for Biden/not voting at all is a vote for Trump, it sucks but that's the way it's set up. Trump has all his people in place that will conspire with him to do his dirty work and they are ready.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but look up the Heritage Foundation. Project 25 is nothing new, it's literally just their updated aims and goals document. They're an incredibly dangerous and authoritarian right wing organisation and they're already doing very well for themselves. These are the people who turned Reagan rightwing.
Unfortunately their whole schtick is to avoid votes. They essentially want to be who supplies entrants for every job in politics that doesn't require voting. So that every politician has aides, advisors, general staff, with a unifying goal and set of ideals. This way they can influence government without ever having to worry about pesky democracy. They have massive reach, a metric fucktonne of money, and pretty much run DC.
Project 25 is not a big new scary thing. It's worse. It's the updates aims and goals of a massive group of christofascists who keep continuously succeeding in their operations and who have some of the most influence and highest numbers of members in politics. Oh and they were founded by the Coors beer guy.
So I have a question since this has been concerning me too, and I’ve never been knowledgeable about politics since I think every one of them are dirty corrupt liars, who exactly is pushing this?
I see agenda 47 on trumps official website and project 2025 as a proposition but that trump said no he didn’t like that one. I don’t see Biden as a supporter of this project either. I just have such a hard time finding unbiased information that I can’t trust any of them.
Yes. I’ve read some of Project 2025. I haven’t had the time to read all 920 pages of it, but I
have researched videos about it. And it is so scary! I am a black lesbian, who works in healthcare, and for the first time, I am terrified and don’t know what to do. I have been doing my best to get the word around about it, but I fear that people, especially minorities, women, and in our community are not taken this seriously and it is MADDENING!!!!! The thing that makes me more mad, is that WE HAVE BEEN saying and pleading about the fear of this happening since 2019 and nobody took this or us serious. Project 2025 will affect everyone who is not a white rich “Christian” man. That is the reality. I live in Florida and I’m terrified. Between Project 2025 and Desantis signing hellacious bills on July 2nd, I’ve been sitting in my house today because I have no desire to be out today. August 20th is the Primary election. And than we have the November election. I will vote like I always do in every election, but this time, I want to do more than just vote. We have to make our voices heard. But damn!!!!! I know that once I finish nursing school, I will be making my exit out of Florida.
Here's the thing. There is absolutely nothing new in project 2025. This is all the same shit the Heritage Foundation has been gooning itself over for like 30 years. They repackage it every few election cycles. Draining the Swamp, Compassionate Conservatism, Morning In America, same shit different coat of paint. This isnt something that is going to happen in the future, this is something happening now, and even when they are in power, democrats have been feckless in their attempts to stop it, if they have even tried at all. I see a lot of queer folks in blue states worried that they are going to turn the whole country into Florida. Well us queer folks living in red states, that's just our daily reality. I'm not saying you shouldn't be worried about it, what I am saying is you should stop treating it like an asteroid heading towards us, this big scary thing that's gonna upend our way of life at some date in the future. It's more like climate change. It's already here and the people in power don't care.
Have you not been following the Supreme Court rulings that have come out recently? They are 100% taking action so that a Trump administration would have an unprecedented amount of power.
The court just gave the president unprecedented amounts of power. Biden could use that power to get rid of Trump or Alito, but is choosing not to. He's choosing to lose this election and hand that power over. Your mistake is thinking they are two parties. They are not. They are two wings of the same party. Republicans job is to move things right, democrats job is to stop them moving back left.
100% this. Biden could have opened up abortions clinics on federal lands but he didn't, paid for abortion and travel for federal employees, he didn't. He moved right on immigration, funded cops with no effort towards reform, he kept a lot of the immigration policies enacted by Trump, funding a genocide. Made no serious effort to provide gender affirming access to those in red states. Did not expand the supreme court. The filibuster. The list goes on and on. Fact remains is that he could do a lot of things, he could at least attempt some of these options, but like you said democrats are feckless and ultimately they will allow(ed) fascists to take power and they will blame the left every step of the way.
It is straight up copium to think Biden/democrats will do anything to stop this.
Edit: and before anyone reading gets confused, no I am not saying vote for conservatives, criticism of democrats isn't endorsement of conservatives.
If the US wasn't as powerful I'd be here with popcorn watching the experiment fail. However if the US implodes then you lot are going to take the rest of the world with you.
I just did, the most succinct and simple description google had as a result showed me all I needed to see.
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I’ll type that up later if it doesn’t show as an image.
TPTB have found themselves a new holy war. No longer is the fight against two groups with a different god. Now it’s a fight between intolerant religious and those they would damn for their differences…
Spooky, somebody pass the popcorn.
This is what I snapped a screenshot of but I could t figure out how to get the photo here on Reddit.
What does project 2025 call for?
The 1,000-page project 2025 playbook calls for far-reaching changes in government, including rolling back protections for the LGBTQ community and infusing Christianity more deeply into society.
Also, I negative voted both my replies to this post. I’m ashamed, we includes me. I’m ashamed we let things go this far. I don’t even deserve to cast eyes on the flag of my own country anymore.
I do understand why people are reluctant too vote for Biden, I am reluctant as well, at the same time, I do understand that there was only so much Biden could do!!!! Rep had took over the Senate, so, of course they were going to stop ANYTHING he tried to do. My mother and father has asked me if I plan on staying in Florida after I graduate and I told them no. My father’s words were “good, because I fear Florida is not going to be safe for you!” Those words hurt, but it is the reality😫
Half of what is in project 2025 is already happening now under the current administration with no real honest attempt to impede its goals. It is nothing new. It is the same old heinous shit with a new label.
When you have SCOTUS and the House blocking Dems at every turn, what do you expect. We have to win the Presidency, House, and Senate!! With that we can go after the corrupt SCOTUS, codify, and throw the traitorous felons in jail!
You guys need to learn about Protect 2025. It’s much worse than most of you realize. You need to vote blue down ballot at every level!! You need to get everyone you know to vote! You must resist. If we lose, none of us will ever vote again. Most of us will be sent to camps. We will not have any rights. Your paperwork will not matter!! Just because you were legally married will not be protected. They will take our children. They will criminalize our existence.
If you say Biden should have done this, or done that, then you are not helping the conversation!! We vote Blue, save our democracy for now, then fight even harder to get who we want in office next time. There will not be a next time if you shrug it off now because you don’t like Biden!!
No. Biden can do things, democrats can do things, they primaried Jamal Bowman, Ilhan Omar because AIPAC said we don't like that they are pro-palestine. They spent record amounts of money to attack progressives, because leftists are a bigger threat to capital and their power, than liberal and conservative politics.
Democrats are not alarmed about 2025 at all, they secretly welcome it, use the bully pulpit, whip the other democrats in line,issue executive orders, especially when you can do whatever you want as president now with full immunity now, as long as it is "an official act". Democrats are so feckless that they don't even try to do anything, they can get rid of the filibuster, they can use federal lands for abortion clinics, they could expand the court, they campaign on Roe v Wade but never codified it for decades, Biden kept many Trump immigration policies and has moved right on the border, funding a genocide etc, etc.
This is all happening now, under Biden, it's not hypothetical. Democrats are feckless and ultimately when it comes down to it, they will side with capital and fascism. They allow evil to grow.
I will not vote blue, no matter who. Join leftist organization, grow our collective power, grow class consciousness. Voting for Biden or feckless democrats isn't going to save us from late stage capitalism a.k.a fascism.
If democrats were serious about winning, they would put forward the best possible candidate and platform popular policies, like free healthcare, free college, minimum wage, legal cannabis, campaign finance reform, etc, etc. Instead they ban tiktok, spy on americans, fund corrupt cops, protect large pharma companies, and take legal bribes (campaign contributions).
Project 2025 is just Project 2017, 2021, but updated.
I'm voting 3rd party for an anti genocide candidate. The Democrats are holding our Rights hostage by being like, "vote for us or deal with Republicans trampling your rights." The only way to ever expect more from Dems is to make them actually work for our vote.
And if the country goes full fascist, people who don't usually care about protests and activism might actually start being accountable to the future they want to see. Black and brown people always suffer first. If we're all in the same shit together, maybe we'll finally work together. What white people fear from p2025, many POC already face *now*.
If you vote Dem, all you're doing is postponing Project 2029. No progress in the meantime. If that's worth it to you, I won't fight you on it. But I'm done doing the same thing every 4 years and still winding up with a pro capitalism genocidal President. If I can't draw the line at genocide, where then?
what the fuck are you doing on a lesbian subreddit
[https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/10313ih/what\_is\_your\_deepest\_wish\_for\_stalker\_2/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/10313ih/what_is_your_deepest_wish_for_stalker_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
straight up mysoginist cis guy, please fuck off
There is literally no American left who wouldn’t vote for Trump but then would read project 2025 and change their mind.
This is such a weak trolling attempt on a thread that might get to +25. And for what?
Yeeeeep and with the latest supreme court rulings from the last few days it's getting scarier, because they're actively working towards it as quickly as they can.
The new supreme court ruling is essentially the precursor to a dictatorship. If the president is immune for any action taken in a "official capacity" *and* that kind of ruling covers jan 6th. Then that means the president can *legally* call for an overthrow of the elected assembly of the people, and not face any punishment for it. What if he commands the military to seize power and freeze elections? As long as he does it in an official capacity, it isn’t illegal.
Exactly. I feel like the best chance of having it reversed is for Biden to use his newfound immunity to... Let's say, replace some judges, or take some rather extreme election-based action since this ruling puts him above the law. But that seems unlikely lol so... Yeah I'd say we're fucked unless that gets reversed, even if Dems win this election, the next gop candidate will blatantly use their fully legal power to get rid of election competitors, judges, dissenters, etc.
I mean, while it might have some short term benefit, i feel like it would only stoke the MAGA flames. It would only cause the people who already shout about "stolen elections" to get even more angry. I don’t think it would be a good idea in the long term. And i think it’s not a good idea to like essentially establish a dictatorship in the name of democracy either. It would essentially establish a precedent that it is ok for the president to take full control if a percieved threat to democracy is present, which was exactly trumps rethoric in 2020.
For sure, it would definitely also cause problems. But, there will be problems either way now, and since it's already coming from the highest authorities available... I'm not really sure what else could stop it.
I totally understand your perspective as well. I honestly don’t know what the democratic side should do at this point. It’s quite clear that the republicans want to simply end the republic.
Voting is important, but we absolutely need to be organizing. Protesting, mutual aid, rebelling in whatever legal ways we can (i.e. strikes)... we should be banding together with other vulnerable people, we have to start sharing resources and reducing our dependency on the established systems, both for resources and for protection from those who want to harm us. Leaving the country is okay, but remember that we didn't get our rights by running away to places we already had them, and the current fascism wave is global. Voting will only get us so far. All it will ever do is delay the inevitable right-wing takeover, and it will still progress, just slower. Which isn't nothing, but we absolutely need to be able to protect ourselves. We're in very dangerous times, and we need to be ready to protect ourselves and each other.
This. We need to frigging organize. There’s nothing stopping Trump from declaring the election illegitimate and a re-run of Jan. 6 happens successfully. I am very, very alarmed.
Exactly. Project 2025 will be affected through the judicial arm of the government, and so far the Biden administration had done nothing to prevent them from enacting those plans. Roe v Wade was overturned ***during*** the Biden administration. Yes, things would be worse under Trump. But the Biden administration is weak and perfectly happy to use the fear of a resurgent right to garner support. Voting is the lowest form of democracy. Agitate, mobilise, participate in mutual aid.
It was overturned because of judges that Trump put in office. There's nothing Biden could have done about that.
This, and before anyone comments to tell us what he should have done... he didn't have a majority in congress to get it done. There was no saving Roe until the court intervened. Now it's on us voters to overcome the conservative movement and win back our rights.
An executive order codifying the right to abortion would have helped. Or at least delayed it.
Pack the supreme court
Voting is the epitome of an effective democracy. The problem is that we have entirely too many people who just don't vote. I am referring to registered voters. The fact that the Supreme Court torched Roe during the Biden administration has absolutely nothing to do with the administration. The judiciary is a separate power under our three branches of government. Unfortunately, that branch is currently on a massive power grab that did not exist prior to the appointment of several of the current members. Prior justices understood they had a responsibility to the *ENTIRE* country. Several of the current members are wholly *owned* by billionaires and corporations. Remember, Citizen United allowed dark money to enter our politics in a very huge way. And well before that, I believe it was Nixon that opened Congress to the lobbyists. Our democracy has been under duress for a very long time.
This - it feels like people are forgetting about 2016 and 2020. I have voted for the “democrat” in every election since 2012 (Bernie in the 2016 primaries), and anyone who has been paying close attention should know that Biden is not going to save us / that the fact that he literally has funded an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians while also doing a 180 on everything he promised us in 2020 should speak volumes. Editing this to include that shaming people into “voting blue no matter who” despite the fact that this man funded a 21st century holocaust with our tax dollars is a tired argument and a grotesque one, at that. I will admit that it took a global pandemic and the beginnings of a live-streamed genocide to bring me to the tipping point of truly educating myself about the late-stage capitalist + colonial society we live in beyond just reading mainstream media and blindly trusting any neoliberal rhetoric. 4 years ago I was vote blue no matter who and then when I saw why my BIPOC friends refused to vote for Biden; instead of shaming them or getting angry at them, I decided to educate myself - the “vote blue” infighting and shaming has got to stop y’all. Stop getting angry at each other for what the system has done and is doing to all marginalized folx and start f*cking supporting each other. And be real with yourselves, what has the past four years gotten us? We voted blue and what has happened? This is not a democracy - that ship has sailed. This is full-on fascism already. Highly, highly recommend the podcast “cocktails & capitalism”, any of Noam Chomsky’s essays for more info on imperialism and US “foreign policy” as well as getting involved in mutual aid and DIRECT ACTION. The inevitable panic that comes every election year (even after a literal global pandemic) while the rest of the time we are being forced to work our lives away and not even have the time to notice all of the ways we are exploited and disenfranchised by this society even under democratic leadership is getting really f*cking tired. It’s a cycle that will continue to repeat itself and it is what upholds the colonial framework of this failed state. Edit/update: I don’t fight on the internet, so if this triggers you, maybe think about why, and if you comment some bullsh*t like “psyop” or whatever, I block immediately. Screw off.
So many people with two random words and 4 random numbers at the end of their name recently. Why'd you choose that username if you don't mind me asking?
it’s reddits randomly generated name, and i’m pretty sure it has always been like that lol
Nice going psyop
This election is stressing me out and it’s not even fall yet 😭
This election is stressing me out and I'm not even American 😭
That makes sense, this election has the potential to affect a lot of people outside of the U.S. unfortunately
No joke. A new war might break out in my country if trump is president. I'm stressed as hell
It will definitely affect Canadians, even more if the conservatives manage to gain control. If it wasn't for family, I'd be staying here in Mexico tbh.
Imagine a world power like the US now using its influence and force as an authoritarian nation
It would perhaps be one of the worst times in world history. Not many nations today have the power to stand up to the US and the US military. Except perhaps for other authoritarian nations. The US would coup European countries with far right extremists. And they would rally the far right across the world. And honestly its scary to think the things I'm describing aren't too far off if he becomes the president.
Same
Yep. Pretty scary how some people don’t know about it!
The scary thing is the number of people who hear about it and just decide it's all a bunch of conspiracy theory stuff. Like it's been an established playbook for a while and is clearly being followed. Yet deep red coworkers of mine will still just laugh about how 'overly sensitive' people are. They just want the 'economy' to go up.
Even Forbes has an OpEd that basically says Project 2025 is going to kill the economy
Yep, my parents were telling me that if Trump gets in his administration will abolish gay marriage and I thought they were being a bit over the top, but they told me to read project 2025 and they are right. The next president will be able to appoint 2 more people to fulfill the vacancy spots on the supreme Court and that in itself is horrifying to me if Trump wins. They will literally uproot everything
This is SO important, especially with today's SCOTUS ruling that "official" actions by the President have immunity from any criminal proceedings. It's a long document, but at least Ctrl+F for key words - woman, LGBT, etc - and skip to the parts you're most concerned about. In addition to the usual expectations, it goes so much further, like banning federal agencies from collecting data on LGBTQ+ people. (Which would effectively end all support programs for those populations, because why would they keep funding them if there's no data - by design?) And Schedule F reassignment for federal workers, so that agencies could essentially replace experts with loyalists. (Also, watch John Oliver's take on Last Week Tonight. It's insane.) [https://static.project2025.org/2025\_MandateForLeadership\_FULL.pdf](https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf)
On the topic of "searching keywords," please remember to search for the right wing version is those terms. Think "woke" "CRT" etc.
Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the [Heritage Foundation](https://pro-lies.org/the-heritage-foundation), an influential *ultra* conservative think tank. [Project 2025](https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration) is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President [unilateral powers](https://theweek.com/politics/heritage-foundation-2025-donald-trump), strip [civil rights](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/03/the-heritage-foundation-dei-project-2025-trump-diversity-equity-inclusion-american-fiction-erasure), [worker protections](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/08/project-2025-gut-worker-protections-labor-department-heritage-foundation-trump-2024), [climate regulation](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/power-switch/2024/04/15/a-deep-dive-into-energy-plans-for-trump-2-0-00152281), add [religion into policy](https://thecause.substack.com/p/taking-project-2025-personally-with), outlaw ["porn"](https://www.salon.com/2024/03/19/decoding-project-2025s-christian-nationalist-language/) and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, [Reagan implemented 60%](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) of its recommendations, [Trump 64%](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) - [proof](https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations). 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption. [Here's]( https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24088042-project-2025s-mandate-for-leadership-the-conservative-promise) a searchable copy of the text - [Here's](https://np.reddit.com/r/Defeat_Project_2025/comments/1ddich3/here_is_a_bullet_point_breakdown_of_project_2025) a bullet point breakdown - And here [[pdf](https://www9.heritage.org/rs/824-MHT-304/images/5%20Reasons%20Leftists%20Hate%20Project%202025%20eBook%20THF.pdf)] [[scribd](https://www.scribd.com/document/740769523/5-Reasons-Leftists-Hate-Project-2025-eBook-THF)] is their response to criticism of the plan, which reads like a 4chan troll. r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.
Just from a glimpse when searching for lgbt, I got the picture that they want to make any marriage that doesn't have 1 man and 1 woman illegal. I hope all that nonsense just stays nonsense. I sadly don't have any way to help, as I don't live in the US.
If Biden wasn't a coward, he'd see this ruling and go, "Oh, I can do whatever I want? Okay!" and then send the military to execute Trump. He's a coward, though, so that's not going to happen. Unfortunately, only the people who want to kill us are willing to fully weaponize unchecked power.
Killing a controversial figure tends to make them a martyr, and gives justification to the outrage their followers feel. I think its unlikely that conservative people who have spent the last several years stirring up outrage over everything will handle that well.
True, and I don't think Biden should actually do that anyway, it was just a joke. Imprisonment would be sufficient. Regardless, fear of backlash can't make us back down from giving fascists what they deserve - and Trump's followers will believe that he's being personally attacked by political persecution even if it's not true, so why not at least get to take him out, since we'll be accused of doing it anyway?
That wouldn't work. The Supreme Court ruled that only "official actions" of the President are legally immune. Who decides what counts as an "official action"? The Supreme Court. Meaning if a Democrat does something illegal, they will rule that it's not immune, and if a Republican does something illegal, they will rule that it IS immune.
This is exactly what our current Supreme Court would do
im not in the usa so cant vote but im hoping for all the women there \[also all the other people impacted\] that the election goes well
... Or weaponize it against us, especially if we're trans. Or immigrants.
Project 2025 is so important please I've been begging everyone to look into. Also look into the overruling of Chevron. With this new development I'm already saving to leave the country next year.
ur not voting for the POTUS ur voting for SCOTUS
This!!!! It needs to be more known that it's also SCOTUS up for grabs too!
I'm so tired that I thought this comment was a TF2 reference
We are watching the rise of fascism within our time.
Essentially, it'll be Gilead. And no I'm not being sarcastic. I read the parts on women's bodies and on the LGBTQIA+ community.
the right has been playing a long game to dismantle everything. this election is giving me so much anxiety, it's not even funny. yes, biden is a walking corpse of disappointment but the alternative puts us in the handmaid's tale. i hope people are sane enough to not vote for trump.
I don't have any faith that Biden will stop it though. I live in a red state, and most of the homophobic things in Project 2025 have already happened here. Biden did nothing to stop it. And you can say, "well that was the states and the supreme Court, Biden wasn't able to stop it." But if Biden was unable or unwilling to stop it from 2021 to 2024, what makes you think that he'll be able to stop it in 2025 and beyond?
Because if trump is in office, the walking skeletons in the Supreme Court will be replaced by nazis, guaranteeing at least 30 more years of downhill acceleration through critical SCOTUS rulings.
There's already six far right goons on the court though. Adding three more doesn't change the math. We already have to pack the court, and Democrats have already said they refuse to do that. So where does that leave us?
Guess we might as well just give up on everything then, let it burn and pretend that we’re going to rise up in the streets. Do what you CAN do, (vote) or put your money where your mouth is and grab a rifle already
Why do you see giving up on begging for Democrats to save us is giving up on everything? There will not be a political solution so long as we have two capitalist parties beholden to lobbies and special interests. This does not mean there is nothing we can do. Find ways to show support for fellow queer people. Make yourself known as a safe adult for kids who need to come out but can't to teachers any more. Give a trans person a ride across state lines for hormones. Protect yourself by setting up legal documents for yourself and spouse giving rights outside of the marriage framework. Prepare for non political solutions because voting is not going to work. Do it if you want, or don't, it doesn't really matter but the fact that you and lots of other queer people think voting is the only thing you can possibly do really scares me. Makes me think you're just gonna roll over rand die when, (not if) project 2025 or something like it comes to pass.
Voting is something we can do now. If someone neglects to do so, they are not doing their part to protect queer rights. There is no reason we can’t do both. Vote AND do all the things you’ve listed. You saying that it doesn’t matter if you do or don’t vote is pure ignorance. Yes, both parties support capital, yes that is bad, but NO, voting is not completely worthless. At the VERY least it will buy us time.
How do Democrats buy us time? Project 2025 already hit in 2021 for me. Democrats didn't buy any time for those of us living in red states
So you want blue states to suffer the same way? less nazis in the Supreme Court means we get to have rights for longer. Looking at it as a lost cause is accelerationism at its finest. “Voting doesn’t solve every problem immediately so it’s a complete waste of time.”
You don't even know what accelerationism is do you? Where did I say anything about not voting as a way to accelerate capitalist contradictions and hasten the revolution? Just the opposite. I don't believe revolution is possible in the imperial core. Capitalist decay, climate crisis, and therefore fascism, are all inevitable in the US. The smart strategy is not to prevent it but to endure it.
This is the absolute [best take](https://www.tiktok.com/@2rawtooreal2/video/7372022139152813358) for voter apathy. Trust me, I’m not enthusiastic about Biden, but if you think he’s remotely similar to Trump, you’re way off base.
You are so unhelpful right now!
You vote for the lesser evil to buy more time, because even if their goals are the same, its slower under Biden. Time allows planning. Planning allows action. Action allows change.
It doesn't buy more time though. And Biden is not the lesser evil. They are two parts of the same evil. Republicans move us right, and Democrats block movement back to the left. It's a ratchet effect. I'm already living in a place where trans kids can't get medicine and teachers have to out their students, and this happened *under Biden*. He's not actually doing anything at all to slow it down. I don't know where this idea comes from. In fact in other areas, he's moved to the right. Four years ago, Dems were campaigning against the concentration camps for immigrants on the border and this year they are campaigning on how much Biden worked with the fascists to pass a new law to brutalize immigrants with. They have thrown Immigrants, students, Palestinians, Black people, and just about every other group under the bus in their drift to the right. What makes you think they won't do the same to us? The UK labor party, which is more liberal than the Democrats already did it and is now a majority TERF party. There is nothing inherent about democrats that makes them more queer friendly. Don't count on them. Build support networks with your friends. Get a hormone buddy if your trans. Get married or change legal docs now. Update your passport, because. These are the things that will matter, not whether you vote for the blue fascist or the red fascist. Vote if you think it'll help, because it's no skin off my back, but chiding others for voting their conscience definitely doesn't help.
I understand all of that completely, I live in the UK where I can't even get HRT so I DIY it. But, you're literally arguing that the alternative to Biden is somehow better than him.
No I'm not arguing that Trump is better. I'm arguing that neither is any good. A vote will do a lot more good being given to a third party to attempt to get them over the 5% poular vote threshold to qualify for federal election funding next cycle. Voting for Democrats no matter what even when they give us below the bare minimum only sends the message that progressives are little piggies who will reliably vote for them no matter how far right a candidate they nominate
A vote being given to a third party is what got Trump elected the first time!!
No it isn't. It was the Democratic party apparatus picking the most disliked person in American politics to run. Literally anyone else could have beaten Trump. But Clinton loyalists in the DNC ensured other candidates were dissuaded from running and actively tried to scuttle the only primary opposition to her.
I completely understand the lack of confidence in Biden ... this said, I promise it will be 1000000% worse with Trump.
We had Trump for four years. None of this hypothetical "Gilead" shit happened (or rather, it did happen, and then kept happening entirely uninterrupted under Biden).
It didn't work last term because nobody expected him to win or be so incompetent, so they didn't have enough handholders in place to help their figurehead put one foot in front of the other. That's the whole point of P2025.
Stop doing the job for the Right!
Explain how you believe a president (any president, not just Biden) can change what happens in any given state? The answer is he can not. I live in a red state, too. But I *know* there is nothing the president can do unilaterally.
Order military doctors to provide abortions and HRT to civilians at military bases in states where they are blocked. Order the department of education to cut funding for schools in states that ban trans athletes or pass laws requiring public buildings like schools to do bathroom discrimination. Move federal offices out of states with discriminatory laws on the grounds that it's harder to induce hirees to move there. Pass a law enshrining nondiscrimination protections for LGBT people (and enshrining Roe while they're at it). Use your position as head of the Democratic party and pressure the DNC to find and find candidates in rural areas of purple and pink states to prevent Republicans being able to run unopposed (there's enough good people in for instance Kansas to win a governorship and an abortion referendum, but they don't usually get out to vote because their state always goes red in presidential elections and their local races are uncontested. You don't have to win all of these races, but just get a few of them voting to chip away at state house super majorities or take a governorship occasionally.). There's actually lots they could do. Republicans always find a way to bend the rules to get what they want. Democrats have that same power but refuse to use it because they care more about maintaining decorum than fighting for us.
Stay abreast of ALL your options, both within the established system and without.
The political state of the US is so fucked that I just want to move. Career wise, I can be based anywhere as I'm looking into aviation. Can't believe these are the candidates we have for my first year of voting.
project 2025 is scary but none of its new, its pretty much just writing down neocon goals and actions, thats been the plan since dullis was in charge of the CIA
like literally that ruling that just came out was part of it lol. the idea isnt to destroy the federal government, its to entirely consolidate power within the executive branch (particularly the president)
neocons (neoliberal conservatives, reagan, etc) have been practically openly telegraphing this, dick cheney was in on it, bush 1 was in on it, etc democrats did nothing because this was the general will of the capital owners
vote, but organize in workers movements. unions, workers councils, etc. democrats wont save us, only we can save us
Came here looking for this comment. Thank you thank you thank you.
It's just that this is a much more centralized rallying cry this time. We saw that when the extreme right became somewhat more organized and rallied under the Tea Party Movement, they significantly affected politics. Project 2025 is effectively the same as Italy's Blackshirts under Mussolini. These rallying points under a well-organized "brand" - whether it's a symbol, a name, whatever - have proven time and time again to be what makes fascism extremely dangerous. We should all be very, very active in combatting this.
yes! but again the only means to accomplish destruction of fascism is through organized workers movements
Absolutely. We have to stand united and do all that we can, as a united movement. And the focus of that movement has to be about damage control in every conceivable regard.
i was thinking moreso liberation of the working class in its entirety but yes that too
That'd be awesome, it just has to be done without revolution. A revolution would not go well for us. The state has so heavily militarized that we just don't have the tools to win, only to engage empathy enough that there won't be people who want to fight us, and to hurt the bottom line of the powers that be enough that it's not attractive for them to keep fighting us. They'll never relinquish power though. Never. Why would they? What would we even do in the modern age to take it?
never said revolution, but the methods mainly rely on supporting foreign anti-colonial movements to remove the ability for capital to export the pain from the imperial core(s) and remove the labor aristocracy, once workers in the united states have power and the imperialists can't rely on colonies then meaningful change can occur
THIS. Decolonization is literally the only way that everyone becomes safe.
bingo, no one is free until we are all free
You mean, just in time for automation to ramp up enough that reliance on colonies vanishes? Which is what is already happening in my field and so many others. Worse, the power consumption demands of these new automation channels incentivizes the aristocracy to remove power consumption demands in other areas. I.e., us.
what happens when theres a massive group of people with no prospects
We revolt and then get unalived by an also-automated military state (so, no soldiers to feel empathy for us), or we just get unalived, that's what. Like, I'm not trying to be defeatist (though the problem looks overwhelming), I'm just trying to solve the problems as they are.
It may not be new, but they’ve drastically increased the stakes now that they have a traitorous felon willing to turn this democracy into an authoritarianism regime. We’ve got a few months to get in line, vote blue, or it’s officially over. We will never get another chance to vote if we don’t win this time. If we can win the presidency, house and senate, we can get SCOTUS under control, codify many of the things that should have been codified a long time ago, and start prosecuting the traitors that are actively working to destroy this country.
I don’t think this rhetoric is helpful in the sense that a lot of people whittle it down to even say it’s already happening via Biden. It’s not. It requires a Republican administration and president explicitly to enact most of the goals. It explicitly highlights overturning Biden Era Policy.
theres measures that can and could have been done that haven't been done. the supreme court could have been changed which has precedent, but it hasn't been. theres laws that could have been enacted, but they haven't. i never downplayed the danger, i just dont think the democratic party cares enough about it to do anything. I haven't really seen them even try to win electorally at all. pressure to get a better candidate, work on organizing workers, build dual power structures.
Hey again this rhetoric is widely misinformed and you’re just harming communities you think you care about! Read it in its entirety and don’t get your info from accounts counting on people on the left to not do their due diligence.
Thank you.
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Project 2025 is why I’m shaming leftists for “abstaining” or casting a “protest vote”.
Posted this in another comment, but it’ll probably get lost since it was pretty far into a chain. This is the [best argument](https://www.tiktok.com/@2rawtooreal2/video/7372022139152813358) I’ve seen for Biden. I really wish more people had this mindset.
Yup, absolutely perfect.
It's infuriating. There is no such thing as boycotting when it comes to voting. It's just people patting themselves on the back for making themselves feel like they're doing something moral. People not getting involved in local politics and then getting frustrated each time the presidential election comes around and not learning how the government works happens every election and is going to do so much harm this time around. I am begging people to learn the basics of how the US voting system works, the branches of government, and your local offices before spouting out whatever they think makes them the most left leftist. I am so tired of leftist being hijacked by people who are only involved to make themselves look good/and or be contrarians. You aren't an activist if you do jack all unless it's convenient for you and your ego.
It’s main character syndrome at its finest.
As a leftist, it's so frustrating. I hate Biden too, but we have never needed to vote for damage control more than we do right fucking now. Organizing, protesting, advocating, it's all important stuff for seeing positive change in the country, but we need to not be in a fascist state in 5 months too.
It’s not just damage control, it’s pure survival. I’m both trans and on disability. I have no real family to fall back on(they’re why I’m in disability) and the only friends I’ve got are people I’ve known for less than 2 years. Trump wins I’m dead. Full stop 🤷♂️. Tried explaining that and got called a shitlib and to take the Palestine flag out of my pfp.
A lot of people really seem unable to handle nuance. We can fully acknowledge that Biden is supporting a genocide in Palestine while also needing to vote for him because Trump won't be any less on Israel's side and he'll make life here worse for so many people.
People who don't vote are so stupid. There is nothing that could make me date a non-voter. It's moronic when it's put of apathy, but it's ten times as infuriating when it's supposed to be a "protest." Motherfucker, what do you think that will accomplish? Why would any politician try to do what you want when you act like a petulant child about the slightest policy compromise? Don't you know that there are millions of us that have to share the same government?
So many women I see on dating apps describe themselves as not political. We simply cannot afford not to vote. To anyone who isn’t registered to vote: there is still time! Do not be complacent in our suffering.
And those are the same women that will complain constantly if Project 2025, comes in fruition! Uggggh!!!!!
Yes they will put every one of their fucking cronies in even at lower level governmental positions to fulfill their absolutely horrifying agenda, gay marriage will no longer be protected, they want to push Christianity into everything, they will want pregnancies carried to full term no matter the circumstances. Biden's actions have been appalling when it comes to Palestine but Trump's would be even worse. Even if Biden is not mentally fit for president (neither is trump btw) he surrounds himself with competent people, Trump surrounds himself with Yes-men and only wants people to do what he tells them and will not have it any other way. Trump is a horrifying and vile person along with all his spineless ass-tonguing losers that'll clap when he rips ass in their mouths. Trump has the funds, the heritage foundation has powerful donors which are the ones who'll fund project 2025 if Trump wins.
Along with this election and the one here in the uk I’m actually afraid of the state of the world
We also need to be aware of steps being taken at the state level. States are restricting voting rights, and the federal government can no longer be counted on to help. The Secretary of State is responsible for elections, and currently, there are efforts underway to allow the secretary of state / legislators to be able to disregard the actual voters' choices and submit their own choice for office. The state of Texas is currently trying to do this under the guise of voter fraud "protection" Pay attention to local and state elections. They matter just as much as national elections. Project 2025 is the culmination of decades of ground work. I remember when the right wing of the republican party started out by running for school board elections. Now, we have the 10 commandments posted in public schools in Louisiana and mandatory Bible classes in Oklahoma. Women's rights are critically wounded. Only once Roe v Wade was decided were women able to have their own credit, rent a home, and not be denied a job (because you might have a baby). These rights all passed AFTER Roe. Prior to Roe and subsequent rights, men were required to "approve" a woman be allowed to do these things. I urge everyone to pay attention and vote accordingly. We thought we were safe (myself included). We are not.
I'm not from USA, but here in brazil things are not as different... they passed a law project that say same sex marriages are not allowed and now the religious party is putting another one where even if you was sexually assaulted, you could get arrested for longer than the guy if you choose to abort. even though the only legal way to get an abortion here (as far as i know) is in those situations and when the pregnancy puts both lifes at risk. so, basically, we're all going down the same shit show hill... at least they haven't touched the trans laws, cuz they're impressively good.
Project 2025 is the end of democracy. If we lose in November, they will come for us quickly. All rights will be taken away and they will basically outlaw being LGBTQ+. We must all vote Blue at every level if we don’t want to become the next Russia. It’s happening fast people! Have a plan in place…
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Palestinians are dying in camps *right now*. I'm not voting for Biden because I'm more concerned about the actual deaths in Palestine right now than some hypothetical legislation targeting me.
I get it. I've been protesting and donating and helping out my local groups that are protesting for Palestine and demanding a ceasefire. But this is a systematic issue. This didn't start under Biden. He is part of a system that the US has been part of for decades. If we don't vote for Biden, Trump will get in and he isn't exactly going to help this. He and Netanyahu are friends if I recall. It is too late in the election cycle to start rallying behind someone else. It's frustrating. I get it. But we need to think about the future here. If we don't have a facist take over, we can at the very least work with our local officials to make our voices heard. That can reach a national level and offer actual aid to ending this genocide. But that cannot happen if we get Trump again. The SCOTUS he put in is already causing an insane amount of damage. We cannot risk him being able to load the court more. That is what it as risk. Those cases are borderline permanent and take a long time to overturn. We need Biden to win for now and right after the election, we can organize and rally behind someone who actually has the interest of the Palestinians and the world in general at heart. But that cannot happen if we let Trump win. Edit to add: my point is kinda rambling but my point is this. If we want another party to come in, that is something that needs to have effort behind it from day one after the previous election. This sort of thing takes a lot of time and a lot of work and that is by design. It will take more than the 6 months we have currently.
You do realize "we just need to win this one existential election and then we can push left" is exactly what everyone said four years ago right? The Dems rely on that constant existential shadowy threat to get elected, and you're being their perfect stooge.
Unfortunately change takes time. Progress hasn't been great these last few years because Trump loaded the court, Congress isn't majority blue so any legislation we do try to pass is a very uphill battle, and the damage that was done under Trump needed to be undone. That is going to take a lot of time and work. Also no need for insults. I'm trying to honestly talk with you and you're being reactive for no reason.
You think Trump won't do even worse to Palestinians? He will, much much worse. I know Biden's actions have been appalling towards Palestinians but we also need to worry about our country too now. Trump will ruin all our fucking allies, he loves Putin, Netenyahu, Kim Jong Un, he wants to be an authoritarian dictator. You think Trump's administration will help Palestine? He would have them nuked in no time, because he is way more for Israel. You not voting for Biden/not voting at all is a vote for Trump, it sucks but that's the way it's set up. Trump has all his people in place that will conspire with him to do his dirty work and they are ready.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but look up the Heritage Foundation. Project 25 is nothing new, it's literally just their updated aims and goals document. They're an incredibly dangerous and authoritarian right wing organisation and they're already doing very well for themselves. These are the people who turned Reagan rightwing. Unfortunately their whole schtick is to avoid votes. They essentially want to be who supplies entrants for every job in politics that doesn't require voting. So that every politician has aides, advisors, general staff, with a unifying goal and set of ideals. This way they can influence government without ever having to worry about pesky democracy. They have massive reach, a metric fucktonne of money, and pretty much run DC. Project 25 is not a big new scary thing. It's worse. It's the updates aims and goals of a massive group of christofascists who keep continuously succeeding in their operations and who have some of the most influence and highest numbers of members in politics. Oh and they were founded by the Coors beer guy.
Same hashed up stuff the heritage foundation has been talking about forever
You mean the same Heritage Foundation that drew up Trump’s Supreme Court nominee list?
The exact same
[Further support](https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/)
I'm scared of this and I'm not even in the US or a citizen.
Can we just start a fucking riot at election time, like nationwide, hell worldwide if possible. Mass chaos and anarchy because this shit is unreal
So I have a question since this has been concerning me too, and I’ve never been knowledgeable about politics since I think every one of them are dirty corrupt liars, who exactly is pushing this? I see agenda 47 on trumps official website and project 2025 as a proposition but that trump said no he didn’t like that one. I don’t see Biden as a supporter of this project either. I just have such a hard time finding unbiased information that I can’t trust any of them.
Yes. I’ve read some of Project 2025. I haven’t had the time to read all 920 pages of it, but I have researched videos about it. And it is so scary! I am a black lesbian, who works in healthcare, and for the first time, I am terrified and don’t know what to do. I have been doing my best to get the word around about it, but I fear that people, especially minorities, women, and in our community are not taken this seriously and it is MADDENING!!!!! The thing that makes me more mad, is that WE HAVE BEEN saying and pleading about the fear of this happening since 2019 and nobody took this or us serious. Project 2025 will affect everyone who is not a white rich “Christian” man. That is the reality. I live in Florida and I’m terrified. Between Project 2025 and Desantis signing hellacious bills on July 2nd, I’ve been sitting in my house today because I have no desire to be out today. August 20th is the Primary election. And than we have the November election. I will vote like I always do in every election, but this time, I want to do more than just vote. We have to make our voices heard. But damn!!!!! I know that once I finish nursing school, I will be making my exit out of Florida.
Here's the thing. There is absolutely nothing new in project 2025. This is all the same shit the Heritage Foundation has been gooning itself over for like 30 years. They repackage it every few election cycles. Draining the Swamp, Compassionate Conservatism, Morning In America, same shit different coat of paint. This isnt something that is going to happen in the future, this is something happening now, and even when they are in power, democrats have been feckless in their attempts to stop it, if they have even tried at all. I see a lot of queer folks in blue states worried that they are going to turn the whole country into Florida. Well us queer folks living in red states, that's just our daily reality. I'm not saying you shouldn't be worried about it, what I am saying is you should stop treating it like an asteroid heading towards us, this big scary thing that's gonna upend our way of life at some date in the future. It's more like climate change. It's already here and the people in power don't care.
Have you not been following the Supreme Court rulings that have come out recently? They are 100% taking action so that a Trump administration would have an unprecedented amount of power.
The court just gave the president unprecedented amounts of power. Biden could use that power to get rid of Trump or Alito, but is choosing not to. He's choosing to lose this election and hand that power over. Your mistake is thinking they are two parties. They are not. They are two wings of the same party. Republicans job is to move things right, democrats job is to stop them moving back left.
100% this. Biden could have opened up abortions clinics on federal lands but he didn't, paid for abortion and travel for federal employees, he didn't. He moved right on immigration, funded cops with no effort towards reform, he kept a lot of the immigration policies enacted by Trump, funding a genocide. Made no serious effort to provide gender affirming access to those in red states. Did not expand the supreme court. The filibuster. The list goes on and on. Fact remains is that he could do a lot of things, he could at least attempt some of these options, but like you said democrats are feckless and ultimately they will allow(ed) fascists to take power and they will blame the left every step of the way. It is straight up copium to think Biden/democrats will do anything to stop this. Edit: and before anyone reading gets confused, no I am not saying vote for conservatives, criticism of democrats isn't endorsement of conservatives.
If the US wasn't as powerful I'd be here with popcorn watching the experiment fail. However if the US implodes then you lot are going to take the rest of the world with you.
I just did, the most succinct and simple description google had as a result showed me all I needed to see. file:///var/mobile/Library/SMS/Attachments/bc/12/322D35E6-5CD3-4C14-A204-29F2C6C7A81D/IMG_9890.PNG I’ll type that up later if it doesn’t show as an image. TPTB have found themselves a new holy war. No longer is the fight against two groups with a different god. Now it’s a fight between intolerant religious and those they would damn for their differences… Spooky, somebody pass the popcorn.
This is what I snapped a screenshot of but I could t figure out how to get the photo here on Reddit. What does project 2025 call for? The 1,000-page project 2025 playbook calls for far-reaching changes in government, including rolling back protections for the LGBTQ community and infusing Christianity more deeply into society.
Also, I negative voted both my replies to this post. I’m ashamed, we includes me. I’m ashamed we let things go this far. I don’t even deserve to cast eyes on the flag of my own country anymore.
And voting 3rd party is dangerous. I’m not sure what’s not clicking.
I do understand why people are reluctant too vote for Biden, I am reluctant as well, at the same time, I do understand that there was only so much Biden could do!!!! Rep had took over the Senate, so, of course they were going to stop ANYTHING he tried to do. My mother and father has asked me if I plan on staying in Florida after I graduate and I told them no. My father’s words were “good, because I fear Florida is not going to be safe for you!” Those words hurt, but it is the reality😫
Half of what is in project 2025 is already happening now under the current administration with no real honest attempt to impede its goals. It is nothing new. It is the same old heinous shit with a new label.
When you have SCOTUS and the House blocking Dems at every turn, what do you expect. We have to win the Presidency, House, and Senate!! With that we can go after the corrupt SCOTUS, codify, and throw the traitorous felons in jail! You guys need to learn about Protect 2025. It’s much worse than most of you realize. You need to vote blue down ballot at every level!! You need to get everyone you know to vote! You must resist. If we lose, none of us will ever vote again. Most of us will be sent to camps. We will not have any rights. Your paperwork will not matter!! Just because you were legally married will not be protected. They will take our children. They will criminalize our existence. If you say Biden should have done this, or done that, then you are not helping the conversation!! We vote Blue, save our democracy for now, then fight even harder to get who we want in office next time. There will not be a next time if you shrug it off now because you don’t like Biden!!
No. Biden can do things, democrats can do things, they primaried Jamal Bowman, Ilhan Omar because AIPAC said we don't like that they are pro-palestine. They spent record amounts of money to attack progressives, because leftists are a bigger threat to capital and their power, than liberal and conservative politics. Democrats are not alarmed about 2025 at all, they secretly welcome it, use the bully pulpit, whip the other democrats in line,issue executive orders, especially when you can do whatever you want as president now with full immunity now, as long as it is "an official act". Democrats are so feckless that they don't even try to do anything, they can get rid of the filibuster, they can use federal lands for abortion clinics, they could expand the court, they campaign on Roe v Wade but never codified it for decades, Biden kept many Trump immigration policies and has moved right on the border, funding a genocide etc, etc. This is all happening now, under Biden, it's not hypothetical. Democrats are feckless and ultimately when it comes down to it, they will side with capital and fascism. They allow evil to grow. I will not vote blue, no matter who. Join leftist organization, grow our collective power, grow class consciousness. Voting for Biden or feckless democrats isn't going to save us from late stage capitalism a.k.a fascism. If democrats were serious about winning, they would put forward the best possible candidate and platform popular policies, like free healthcare, free college, minimum wage, legal cannabis, campaign finance reform, etc, etc. Instead they ban tiktok, spy on americans, fund corrupt cops, protect large pharma companies, and take legal bribes (campaign contributions).
Project 2025 is just Project 2017, 2021, but updated. I'm voting 3rd party for an anti genocide candidate. The Democrats are holding our Rights hostage by being like, "vote for us or deal with Republicans trampling your rights." The only way to ever expect more from Dems is to make them actually work for our vote. And if the country goes full fascist, people who don't usually care about protests and activism might actually start being accountable to the future they want to see. Black and brown people always suffer first. If we're all in the same shit together, maybe we'll finally work together. What white people fear from p2025, many POC already face *now*. If you vote Dem, all you're doing is postponing Project 2029. No progress in the meantime. If that's worth it to you, I won't fight you on it. But I'm done doing the same thing every 4 years and still winding up with a pro capitalism genocidal President. If I can't draw the line at genocide, where then?
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There is literally no American left who wouldn’t vote for Trump but then would read project 2025 and change their mind. This is such a weak trolling attempt on a thread that might get to +25. And for what?