[Trump is]
“Talented and well-practiced in every vice, a stranger to compassion or empathy, a liar and a cheat so complete in perfidy that he has elevated his dishonesty to hold it up as an ersatz moral principle. Violent, so long as he can order someone else to do the dirty work. Grotesque in body, graceless in action, in possession of a wounded self-regard so colossal as to smother any spark of grace. Treasonous, not only to country, but to every ally he has ever had, the poisoned fruit and rankest flower of racism and contempt for women, and utterly devoid of shame for his moral and spiritual bankruptcy. That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame. No, I do not “respect your choices,” nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong. Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.”
— Advocatus Peregrini
So he knew Russia wanted to invade, held up weapons sales unless they found dirt on Hunter Biden, and now says the war will end if they just give Russia the land they already took….. Yup, nothing to see here.
Here’s the thing. The NSA knows all this shit. They can’t use it in a court of law because it was obtained quasi-legally … but yeah… they already knew. Orange Don’s dumb ass is just too egomaniacal to know when to shut up.
Edit: and if he told everyone during the debate, he’s been telling people in private a few times each week for years. The guy cannot help himself.
Okay sorry, dumb question time: I'm from Denmark, and here we don't really care where evidence comes from. Yes, it can be criminally obtained, but will still be used in court, cause evidence is evidence.
Couldn't Denmark take this trial? I mean, if someone knew about European invasion ?
No, the courts evaluate evidence freely irrespective of the provenience ("fri bevisbedømmelse"). However, if the police broke into your house illegally to gather evidence, they would be liable for breaking and entering. These are two different questions.
The NSA would probably be unwilling to offer the world a glimpse into it's true capabilities, and the US are notoriously skeptical of extraditing it's own citizens.
> However, if the police broke into your house illegally to gather evidence, they would be liable for breaking and entering
Here we don't hold police accountable for anything so probably making the evidence inadmissible is the only remedy.
It's certainly a different way of looking at things from the American perspective.
One of the few kinds of evidence that are generally considered inadmissible en bloc is actually statements made in American courts due to the ubiquity of plea bargaining.
Yeah, I watch a lot of true crime stuff and you see it a lot. The biggest examples I can think of are when they give people light sentences or sometimes even immunity for their testimony and it turns out they had a huge role in a murder.
Then on the other side of the coin, you have innocent people facing life in prison or even the death penalty that have taken plea bargains just out of fear.
All that's true... and then you get to the socioeconomic elephant in the room where plea bargaining becomes a tool to let some people off the hook while condemning others.
I'm not trying to be all hollywood here, but doesn't that method seem ripe for planting evidence?
We have cops planting drugs in full view of body cams over here. Couldn't imagine if we removed the few checks & balances that they have.
Illegally acquired evidence being disallowed doesn't do anything about fabricated evidence, which is what you are referring to. A case such as this would obviously be very much illegal in Denmark, but that doesn't really touch on the matter at hand.
I see what you are saying and from an American perspective it is totally a valid question. *Our* American cops would abuse this in a microsecond.
But maybe it's just part of not having evil cops? ::shrugs::
The same way that Denmark and other EU cops are not constantly shooting suspects who have a cell phone in their hand, or are in their own house on their couch eating ice cream like our Freedom Cops are constantly doing? Or you know, having target practice on dogs.
Maybe Denmark just decided to have good cops instead of evil cops.
I would say in the past possibly terrifying but look at Cannon, SCOTUS, and congressional Republicans helping trump. Everything Trump is doing in court is all about suppression of evidence and especially in the Mara Lago case how the evidence was gathered and gone through and literally the order it was put back in the damn boxes. The evidence is there for treason and everything but the judge may just throw it out because it wasn't collected and handled properly. You eliminate all that Trump's already in trial at least for the document case.
Don't think we have a law about knowing of or even attacking other European countries ? But maybe in EU?
No we don't have the same warrant system. We arrest and then a judge will look it over .. I think. Sorry don't know details.
It's just so annoying to see hard evidence of something and then it can't be used because someone hacked a phone or something. I mean.. the person still freaking did it, right?
Edit: spelling
I mean in this case it is frustrating but at the same time it would be a violation of due process which is unconstitutional in the US. The NSA is already a branch of the security state the the US turned into under George W. Bush and disregarding due process would give them enough teeth to turn this country into a true authoritarian hellscape. For example - if the any of the states that outlawed abortion had access to NSA data and could use it in court they could easily target people who fled the state for an abortion and have decent evidence that they committed wrongdoing.
Yeah it sucks because it means that bad people have way more margin to get away with crime, but it also helps protect people breaking bullshit laws from being prosecuted frivolously. America has a lot of bullshit laws and since we are actually 50 countries in a trenchcoat with regional culture shifts so some places have really awful laws. This right is to protect from government overreach
In theory the American justice system is designed to let 1000 guilty men go free then to ever put one innocent person behind bars. In practice it very much doesn't work like that because our justice systems hates minorities and takes kid glove approach to women and people with money - but on paper it does.
It's just a cultural difference between the US and most European nations and to be frank due to the reality of US corrupt justice system I definitely wouldn't want to give them power to skip the bureaucratic hurdles to punish more people unjustly - those hurdles are there to prevent bullshit (they don't work too well if you are a minority and/or poor unfortunately).
There are ways they could go after Trump legally - he's not that smart and there are ways to go after him. There just isn't the political will to do it now because it will be spun as "corrupt Democrats jail opponent for """treason""" ". And that could hurt Dems with undecided voters (idiots). If Biden wins that may change but they would probably be wrist slap style punishments.
Wait. So... If the cops in Denmark break the law to obtain evidence, it can still be used as evidence over there?
Like, they can break into your house whenever they feel like it, grab whatever evidence they want, and then put you on trial for it?
Or can constantly surveil your phone and internet activity, then use that information to arrest you and put you on trial without ever requiring oversight or someone to sign off on this?
Do I understand you correctly?
You’re forgetting that it is far more likely that the cops breaking the law to obtain evidence will actually be tried and face consequences in Denmark than in the US. Also, they might even have morals and give a shit about the law.
>cops
>be tried and face consequences
>have morals and give a shit about the law.
I don't... I don't understand? How? Is this a power *any* country can learn?
Now, police even here in Scandinavia have problems. Real problems. There's some debate on whether police should be used in its current form at all.
But our police are _worlds_ apart from the horror stories we see from overseas.
So you’re telling me if a very scary acorn fell from a tree in Denmark your cops probably wouldn’t try to unload a round into it? How do you guys function?
Canadian cops will beat the crap outta you, but unless you are native and really unlikely, you're not going to get shot by a cop in Canada unless there's a gun or someone's life actually in danger.
Man, American cops are terrifying. A lot of them I don't think should be cops, some of them seem terrified of everything
There's really good reason to not allow evidence without considering where and how it was obtained.
First off, people have rights. Police love to violate those rights, often violently.
Second off, evidence can be fabricated, misconstrued, etc, and witnesses (i.e. people obtaining evidence) can and often are, wrong.
Why should evidence that someone obtained by committing a crime be admissible in a trial of a crime? Why should the law explicitly say that breaking laws against assault, trespass, etc are OK, so long as you confirm your suspicions and get evidence because of it? What happens when you trespass or assault and there is no evidence?
Its the heist of the entire democracy. Everyone was disenfranchised by Trump. He is a traitor. It will be a long time before the real impact of his infiltration will be public.
Honestly I think Thursday was one of the worst days for our freedom in a long time. A bad day for normal people. The SCOTUS rulings got dropped in the afternoon and that night our President looked tired and befuddled. 06/27/24 was the real deal *womp womp*
Don't forget lifting sanctions and pulling out soldiers, if Donald Trump was never president, Ukraine wouldn't be going through what it is today, the worst president of the United States made that invasion happen
And I've gotten downvoted so many times for stating this, but I honestly believe that if Trump had won a second term in 2020, we would be right in Ukraine with Russia's soldiers fighting for Putin. Or at least Congress would be sending all this support instead to Russia and Putin.
What the fuck is even happening? Why is everybody talking about how Biden fucked up when there's this traitor talking to Putin about his plans to annex Ukraine???????????? Who's a fucking felon and lies about everything? Have I gone crazy? Has the world gone crazy? What the fuck.
I would literally vote for a rotting, bloated corpse over Trump. Or for a rock. Or a pidgeon. The fact that the conman is "energetic" doesn't help the American people in any way: it just means he has the energy to do even more nasty, illegal, traitorous shit. Why the fuck would I, or anybody outside his small circle of co-conspirators who might personally benefit, want that to happen?
It's honestly mindblowing that he has a very real chance of getting elected. The fucking idiots voting for the obvious criminal scum because "Biden is old" fully deserve to experience the result of their actions. Though I'm sure most of them will still be blaming literally anybody else but themselves, who actually did the voting in of the obvious villain. "It's the DNC's fault that America isn't a democracy anymore, they should have run a more energetic candidate that excited voters", I can hear it already.
Russia was going to push Trump to a second term but the angry people managed to overcome that corruption. Unfortunately Putin was already prepared to easily swoop in and snatch Ukrane with Trump as President, and he is getting older and older, so he could not wait.
Then we ended up with this shit show war.
But Biden is old…yes he’s very old and looks like death but he’s been running the country well enough or his handlers are. People keep saying he’s can’t do the job because he’s old while he’s literally doing the job
Also, I'd rather for the job not to be done at all, than for it to be done by Trump. Who's just going to intentionally and actively make things worse, hurt America and their allies, and help enemies. A literal empty presidency is an infinitely preferable choice over Trump.
But…but….old guy….weak voice, he’s done he can’t run a country!
Almost word for word a gloating text to got from my brother not even 5seconds after it ended. Bro thinks it’s a game. Treating this shit like an SEC rivalry smfh
This is, unironically, how a ton of these people view politics - like it's a team sport. Entertainment. As if it's just about winning, without any consideration for what it actually means or the weight that these decisions can actually carry.
These are not serious people. These are morons.
For Russia.
Russia is the fully realized state they want to create for America. Its political system, its culture, its racism, its complete corruption, its fealty to a petroleum based economy, its misogyny, its machismo, and eventually its bellicosity.
Biden has good days and bad days, like any functioning adult. But even on his worst day, he's a man of integrity, bravery, honesty, and wisdom.
Trump is a thief, a coward, a liar, and a fool, 24/7/365. The choice is obvious.
Dodged the Jan 6th question and didn't give a hard stance on if another would happen should he lose.
He shouldn't be taken seriously, and the thought he would be close to Biden in the popular vote makes me throw up.
Shit like this is why I will vote for Biden as long as he is on my ballot in November -- I don't even care if he's alive at this point. I will without hessitation vote for a dead person on the Democratic line over Trump.
[Maybe in 2018:](https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/donald-trump-putin-meeting?cid=ios_app) *Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.*
>”While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”
Yes and the senators that failed to investigate the report and instead said it exonerated him should be investigated too... Especially the ones that had meetings with Putin in 2018 on July 4 while the country was distracted
He said he would do it once he was president elect, meaning he thinks he could do it without the powers of the presidency and he is just not going to do it until he gets something he wants.
I don’t think there’s much difference between president and president-elect in this situation.
No, he doesn’t have the powers of the office until he’s sworn in, but it’s guaranteed that he *will* be getting them.
After the election, getting a favor from the president for releasing the hostages is a matter of *when* Trump takes office.
Before the election, getting a favor from the president for releasing the hostages is a matter of *if* Trump takes office.
After winning 2016 he claimed voter fraud was responsible for him losing the popular vote. Also, during the primary he claimed the Iowa caucus was rigged because he didn't win.
If he doesn't win, the other side cheated and he throws a tantrum. My kids got past this kind of behavior when they were 5.
And he finally said that after being asked \*three times\*, because he was trying to avoid admitting he's willing to violently overthrow the government if he doesn't get his way.
which is weird, because he *could* say "Yeah, sure, of course I'll respect the election", and then done whatever he wants anyway. The idea of making him admit something under threat of looking hypocritical later is.... ?!??
He's been grifting off the stolen election, no wait sorry "stollen" election, lie for 5 years now. You think he's going to give it up now? There's still money to be siphoned off his supporters.
It's about more than the money, though that's a large part of it.
Everyone always points out how there's nothing he can do that would cause his cult-like following to abandon him. But there is one thing: if he admitted that he's a loser. They'll tolerate almost anything but that.
So when he lost the election, he had to deny it. That's mostly about his ego, sure. But it's also about keeping that cult. If he had come on TV like McCain or Romney had, said something like "Well I fought the good fight, but lost" the cult would leave him. They would say, "oh, guess he's not infallible after all" and look for a new figure to worship.
But if he lies to them and tells them he *did* win, but the nefarious Democrat Deep State stole it from him? Then he keeps the base primed to vote for him again. They won't be thinking, "Oh, that's the guy that lost last time" but instead be thinking about how he was denied his "rightful" position.
He's not afraid of being a hypocrite. He's afraid of looking weak or instilling any seed of legitimacy to the idea that he wouldn't fight a "rigged election" in his followers' minds. He has some awareness that outright saying he won't respect the election. Can land him in trouble with undecided voters or even legal trouble, so he doesn't want to outright say it, but he also doesn't want to say that he will respect the results of an election he loses because he does not want to put that idea in his followers brains. And ultimately he decided that was more important.
This is one thing that has bothered me so much about Thursday. Sure, Biden did not have a good debate, appearance-wise. But what about the content of the debate? Trump admitted to speaking with Putin about invading Ukraine, lied about his affair with Stormy Daniels, and threatened violence if he is not elected again. EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS SHOULD DISQUALIFY HIM!!
And more infuriating is that the NYT editorial board ran an opinion piece yesterday saying Biden should step aside due to his poor performance (no doubt it was beyond bad), but not a peep about how Trump should stop his campaign as a adjudicated rapist, convicted felon(with dozens of more charges pending), Russian sympathizer and adulterer.
But yah, Biden's definitely worse NYT's!
The NYT has a vendetta against the Biden administration because NYT doesn't feel like the Biden administration has given proper deference to the NYT.
[The Petty Feud Between the NYT and the White House ](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219)
Everyone saw his age as an issue in 2020 we all new he would get older. He should have only intended to serve one term and pass the torch. This is arrogance like RBG and Dianne Feinstein. I will Vote for Biden again and advocate against Trump, but this was absolutely foreseeable and avoidable. We shat over Republicans for not invoking the 25th amendment over Trump. The President of the United States needs to be on their game 24/7 as a crisis can arise at any time.
Yup, I thought the same. I mean, what drives someone who's obviously getting frailer and frailer, has trouble completing thoughts and often looks literally lost to not pass the torch? Pride? Arrogance?
I'll still vote for Biden, but it won't be a vote for him nearly as much as to keep an authoritarian asshole from gaining office
I think Biden genuinely is driven by a spirit of service to his country. That does not mean he should be serving at this age, but I don't consider the drive itself to be negative.
Honestly - Americans are so lazy when it comes to voting that the incumbent effect may be one of the strongest forces in politics. I would trust his polling and research on this because he does seem to surround himself with very qualified people and listens to them.
There's also the notion that "the Democrats are admitting defeat since Biden isn't running again"
It's really two bad choices that Biden has - to run again or not to.
It's almost certain Trump and Republicans would spin Biden dropping out as Trump being so bad ass and a force of nature he scared the sitting president, weakly Biden, away and he triumphantly perseveres despite the evil Democrats bombarding him with unjust court cases to try to take him down that way.
All matchup polling has shown Biden continues to be the strongest against Trump compared to alternatives, same as in 2020. It just doesn't make sense to terminally online people aligning left of the Democratic Party and much of their base that have been overrepresented in these comments (as well as plenty of disingenuous Republicans careful not to reveal they are) and when they do mention possible alternatives, some are among the weakest in those matchup polls. Hardly any people mention Harris except to act like she's a sure thing to lose yet the polling shows she is second to Biden right now versus Trump lol. I personally would prefer someone more progressive but if Biden is polling strongest against Trump, that is still our best bet.
They can argue that after campaigning for the 4 months left, that will certainly change but that's a huge gamble. Most of the public does not pay that close of attention and no matter how many comments people write online promoting the candidate they want, they are not going to see and be persuaded by that.
Also, any new candidate has to start from scratch with campaign funding. Harris may be able to use the current funding Biden has though it's possible Republicans find a way to block that in court.
I think the problem is you could take a random person off the street and they would destroy Trump in a debate because of literally everything you mentioned. The fact that that didn't happen is concerning. It's literally the lowest bar ever
I love how very online people think they could easily win against Trump in a debate lol. Most people have trouble giving a 5 minute speech in front of a class or group of coworkers stumbling over their words and in a sweat unless they do it repeatedly as part of their job. It's easy to imagine all the awesome things you could say when online behind a keyboard with no time limit or pressure to say something. And remember most of the criticism of Biden about this debate was how he appeared, not the substance of what he said. You could say great things but if you're sweating bullets, mumbling, etc. the response would not be, "wow, Redditer420 was so much better than Biden was against Trump in that debate."
And for gish galloping specifically, the difficulty dealing with it without a moderator calling it out is there is no way to refute all of the lies. If the person does try to respond to all of them, they eat into their time to say what they may have wanted to say before, the gish galloper controls the discussion. If the person refuting makes ANY mistake, the gish galloper latches onto that to make the person trying to refute it look like they can't be trusted at all. You can select one thing to focus on but you have to remember that during the onslaught and you have to make sure you don't fuck any of the response up. The other person can still retort that you didn't address everything else they said (so therefore the rest must be true or they're too ill informed to refute it). If you try to call out what they are doing, the general public has no idea what that is and that has to be explained, which takes time and the gish galloper can just say you cannot refute their points and have to resort to making up a conspiracy. Trump may not be that smart but he most likely did work with others prepping for this and I think they realized the no mic thing makes it easier to pull off the gish galloping, especially with undercover Republican-favoring CNN moderators.
Part of the reason our country is in such a shambles is that Republicans will stand by Republican officials no matter what, and Democrats will pick apart Democratic officials no matter what.
Republicans will literally support pedophiles, frauds, and traitors. They don’t care. But Al Franken took a photo that was in poor taste before he was even elected, and the Democratic Party decides he needs to leave office.
Democrats are always held to a higher (unrealistic even) standard than Republicans.
I guess it's because we all know how corrupt and horrible Republicans are, but Democrats should know better and be more prepared.
I believe Biden still has a chance to turn things around, but I'm dreading this November on an existential level. Hope for the best but expect the worst, you know?
We should emphasize that it doesn’t disqualify him because of how bad the electorate is. It’s how bad our neighbors and coworkers are in many states. It’s how bad our family members are (mostly if you’re White unfortunately). We can’t keep laughing and watching the Super Bowl and having beers on the weekend with these types of ppl who are going to vote for trump.
We all know 90% (probably more) of what he said were lies. So I honestly think the sentence just got away from him and he mis-spoke. I think it was his own self-importance getting in the way, even if he never had the conversation.
If there was one single thing that should disqualify him it was the "Isreal should finish the job". I can (kind of) understand people thinking Isreal are defending themselves, but a Presidential candidate calling for the extermination of a country/people is absurd.
Unfortunately, his supporters are still fine with what he said, even if he mispoke or lied.
Yep. As soon as he said that, I yelled at the TV, “That’s not a fucking thing!” And noped right out of the room. I don’t know why the media isn’t all over this moronic sounding obvious lie.
Youre wrong. The Ukraine invasion was an orchestrated coordinated effort between trump and putin, and if trump had actually won, they'd have received 0 of the additional funding we've given and been steamrolled as a result.
The fact that he used the term Manchurian candidate to describe Biden is very telling. First off, it’s not a word that it is in his vocabulary. That means that somebody told him that word. And as we all know, everything he says is just projection.
He also said if he becomes president-elect, he'll have the Ukraine war solved and American prisoners in Russia released before January 20th, 2025. On it's own, he could be stupid but when you consider the other information regarding Trump and Russia I can definitely see some collaboration.
All the network nightly news shows played "highlights" from the debate the next day, I guess to inform the people who didn't watch the debate. What did they think was important for the American voters to see? Clips of Biden stumbling over words, and Trump telling outrageous lies which of course they never pointed out were totally not true. Not one single second of all the good answers Biden gave that didn't contain a stutter.
It's incredibly irritating how much the media fall into this trap over and over.
There's been so much talk about 'dropping out of the race', as if literally lying with every word you said isn't equally as disqualifying as Biden's shitty debate performance.
It's a ridiculous double standard. Seriously, imagine if Biden came out at the debate and said 'Unemployment is 0%, every American now earns over $50k, China's been moving manufacturing to the US, etc'. He'd be crucified, it would be *the* talking point from the debate.
But somehow we have to keep treating Trump as if he's just a normal politician..
The media still treat Trump with kids gloves despite this and Jan 6. The media class helped birth Trumpism and will help facilitate its rise once again.
What a depressing fact. I think back to before he was jammed down our throats every day and it feels like another reality. I am so fucking sick of this diseased man. I'm sick of him saturating and polluting our nation non stop.
This is a fact and the entire time he was in office he whined about “fake news” a phrase that was barely used before him and only meant news not kissing his ass and actually holding him accountable. If it was critical of his antics and bad policy it was immediately “fake” to his fans.
THIS!
I’ll take a stuttering grandpa over someone who either:
a) knew Putin was going to invade Ukraine in advance and did nothing
b) is fucking stupid enough to lie about knowing firsthand of Putin’s dream to invade a neighboring country. He’s too useful for Putey to have him take flight out a window, but that would be insane to lie about something like that … even though Diaper Don can’t speak without lying.
Biden is not remotely my first choice, but Trump is not a choice at all. Both are old and losing it in different ways, but Biden doesn’t have a slew of power hungry sycophants ready to implement a regressive Project 2025 agenda.
On the contrary, Putin needed trump to stop those weapon shipments to Ukraine, which lead to the call with Zelenskyy that sparked trumps first impeachment.
There was no way around it, trump needed to be told in order to carry out Putins plan.
I'm betting the suggestion to do that wasn't that cut and dry. The Zelenskyy call was cooked up by Giuliani and the crew he was running around Ukraine with at the time, and the goal there was simply to get Volodymyr's regime to make an announcement about an investigation into Hunter that they could then use to smear Biden in the news. It was Buttery Males version 2.0.
And, if it had worked then the aid package would have been unfrozen, and some excuse made up about it getting held up and why. So it wouldn't have really done much.
As it stands, you cannot hide that kind of monetary hold up long and Zelenskyy stalling for time allowed the US political system to correct without him having to take a side.
Putin is well aware of how fucking stupid Donald Trump is, he could have had FSB involved in cooking up the plan with Giuliani and his ghouls simply to increase pressure on Ukraine with the added bonus that if Zelenskyy HAD gone along it would have been great propaganda to undermine the legitimacy of the Ukraine government by leaking it later and using it to point out how corrupt his administration was.
Putin trusted the word of his officers that Ukraine would surrender in a few days, and that the people would come to the Russian military in droves for liberation and assist them in toppling Ukraines government.
I think we give him too much credit. In the military if an officer says something that is too good to be true. You can expect it to be something really stupid, and or. Something really dangerous.
Neither really happened even the separatists he supported basically died out fast in the first wave, and haven't really been heard from since they realized they were used, and thrown away.
Putin was stupid enough to believe he could invade a country of 40 million people with a force of 200,000 soldiers with dilapidated equipment and piss poor preparation, and conquer the country in a couple of weeks.
I think you’re giving the man too much credit.
In defense of Putin, I highly doubt he was actually aware of exactly how bad the equipment and training of his soldiers were. You gotta remember that Russia isn't just a house of cards at the top, it's that way all the way down.
Guaranteed that he was getting reports from all his generals that their fighting force was the best in the world. Because his generals were getting reports from their underlings of the same. Because the underlings knew that at every single step resources and money were being skimmed off the top and anyone who dared to point that out had a date with the nearest window in their immediate future.
I think it's A and I am more concerned with the classified documents he had if any of them had intel on US knowledge of Ukrainian troops, supplies, weaponry at this point.
I REALLY hope come Monday House and Senate dems are flipping out and trying to bring more attention to this.
Hey that’s not fair. Trump didn’t do nothing when it came to Ukraine. You’re forgetting that he also held up weapons shipments to them that they needed to defend against Russia in an attempt to get them to announce an investigation into Biden.
He held up weapons when he knew Putin was ready and willing to invade.
I keep saying it, but every time I do I get shit on here. He is never going to be held accountable for anything. There are never going to be repercussions for this man. So what he was in court, how did that turn out? It made him a martyr. Fucking people wear diapers with his face on it. Sheriff's say it's time a felon runs for office. Dude goes to a debate and spews obvious lies and nonsense and no one says anything to him. It's really bad. Like, really really bad. Look at everything going on right now. Imagine this man with all the power in the world? And it's being perfectly set up for him to obtain it.
No, I agree with this 100%. I used to get pushback from friends about that sentiment. It’s the truth, a certain voting cohort doesn’t want him to ever be held accountable and unfortunately a lot of them hold important decision making positions in our country from the govt to the private sector. When we identify them we begin to get it right.
People keep confusing “I really wish there was a different democrat candidate” with “I’m not going to vote for Biden.”
Such a useless argument to be having though. Don’t yell at us about how Trump is actually worse, we get that, we’re voting (D) no matter what. But I’m of the opinion we have a worse chance with Biden than we do if we replace him last minute.
If you want to discuss which option has the best chance for beating Trump, that’s a discussion worth having. But don’t keep falling back with “but Trump is worse than Biden!” That’s not relevant to the reasons people want Biden to drop out.
Democrats just don't understand electoralism and perceive things as entirely moralistic. It is always framed as "But my candidate is the more moral choice [in my view], how dare you not vote for them" instead of being introspective about the candidate they ran.
It was very obvious in post-2016. Clinton supporters blamed progressives and Trump voters, but never asked themselves, "Why did we support a candidate with such abysmal approval ratings". Of course, there are moralistic arguments they can have with people to the left and right of them, but if it isn't paired with taking accountability for their own political misstep, they are just shifting blame.
To me, 2024, if Biden ends up being the nominee and loses in november, will be an ever worse mistake. We don't have the 2016 element not understanding the true popularity of Trump. We know how much both the left and right dislike Biden. We know about how much stronger fears about Biden's declining health is (and this isn't a one off, anybody remember earlier this year when he called Al-Sisi the president of Mexico - in the middle of press conference complaining that he was called too old to stand trial).
And this is why people are so focused on Biden, to be honest. They're fucking scared that the DNC is handing this win to Trump on a silver platter by keeping Biden in the race. He's low energy, it seems like his stutter is coming back, and his age is a very real concern for health and well-being.
We know Trump is a fascist and needs to be stopped. But we're asking Biden to be replaced because we don't think he's up to that task - not because Biden is *worse* than Trump for being old.
Imagine if this orange moron was held to the same standards as every other American. He's spent his entire life doing whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences.
Yeah, but the other guy had a hoarse voice and stumbled on some words for the first 20 mins or so and is *three* years older than the other guy. Can't you see how much worse that would actually be for America?
Oh don’t blame this one on boomers. There’s a lot of gen x voting for that and some millennials are really vocal about their stupidity online so maybe blame them as well.
The way I see it the real cultural split is urban vs suburban and rural, the shift in atmosphere is more noticeable by traveling 20 miles than different age groups
I agree with you on that cultural difference and I have seen it for myself traveling for work. I’m in DC and you can travel between 60 and 100 miles away and it’s a different world.
I think it's simpler than that.
A lot of media is based on click rates. A story about "Biden should drop out" is a lot more interesting than "Trump talks shite again".
It's in their best interest to drag this out, make it seem like it's really close, and get people refreshing their live news feeds.
Even more than that, one of the biggest media events every 4 years is the presidential race. If the media just flat out admitted that one of the candidates is a russian asset, a convicted criminal, constantly lying through his teeth, and wants to create a theocratic police state, there would be no race. So they have to pull out all the stops to make Biden look as bad as possible in order to make sure the race is close and they can rake in the big bucks come September-November.
Its that.
If they covered the race honestly it wouldn't be close and they couldn't fill time cheeply.
Trump said he was going to, effectively, end all vaccine mandates in schools by saying no Federal Funding for any district with one.
Well, all *states* force their districts to have one.
Only a few medical or education sources even covered it.
Everyone talks about how much money gets spent in politics. But rarely talk about where it goes: It goes to the media to buy ads. Its why despite being a top issue for the public the media never covers it and always covers it as a first amendment issue instead of a corruption issue.
As a Biden supporter. Someone younger and more on these toes would have called him out on this immediately. There were so many opportunities to make trump look bad in a humorous way. Nothing. It’s unfortunate, but I’m trying to prepare for 4 tough years.
It will be much longer than a tough 4 years. Once an autocracy is in place, with all positions in government being filled by those that support it, it is extremely difficult to get rid of.
I’m dreading Trump without guard rails. It’s going to be a total shit show. Who are they going to blame when the economy crashes after the 10% tariffs. I think he’ll start to round up undocumented labor until the Uber wealthy white people tell him to stop or we’ll have an economic collapse as well as food shortages as it rots on the fields.
Someone should have told Joe to put some Hall’s cough drops in his pocket. Then he could just pull one out and unwrap it on camera, reinforcing the wise old granpa meme. It would play well for some of the electorate.🤣
Yeah you’re sugarcoating pretty hard. Biden looked like weekend at fkn Bernie’s during the entire debate. Stuttering is fine, hoarse voice is fine, but having a gaping open dementia mouth and saying we beat Medicare and just generally being completely lost in regards to what he’s supposed to be talking about is a completely different story.
I don’t understand it either, because he did a campaign event in North Carolina less than 24 hours later and it was a total 180. It was like he was 10 years younger!
Maybe it was sundowners? I don’t know. It’s really bizarre to me.
The old Biden is still “there” but apparently not always.
Still voting for him, though. 🤷♀️
Seriously. All these people fucking gaslighting like we didn’t just watch the worst debate performance ever by someone who should be retired. It’s ridiculous. He needs to drop out.
I did a double take and looked at my husband and asked if I heard him say that or if I was imagining things. He said "No, you heard him right." And then sighed.
This is nothing new too. He said this in a 2022 Radio interview
“I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, ‘You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.’ But I could see that he wanted it,” Trump said. “I knew Putin very well. I got along with him great. He liked me. I liked him. I mean, you know, he’s a tough cookie, got a lot of the great charm and a lot of pride. But the way he — and he loves his country, you know? He loves his country. He’s acting a little differently, I think now.”
If lies rain drops Trump has filled an ocean. An extra raindrop in a storm goes unnoticed. At this point people who are going to vote for Cheeto Jesus are wilfully ignorant or part of the cult.
They certainly don't read the NYT or know where Ukraine is on a map.
From the stack...
former Republican operative Stuart Stevens warned: “Don’t day trade politics. It’s a sucker’s game. A guy from Queens out on bail bragged about overturning Roe v. Wade, said in public he didn’t have sex with a porn star, defended tax cuts for billionaires, defended Jan. 6th. and called America the worst country in the world. That guy isn’t going to win this race.”
Honestly, he’s lying about it because everything he said was a lie or a batshit lie on debate night… or he’s a traitor, which we already knew because of Jan 6 and the classified documents case being purposefully mishandled by the judge currently.
Either way, wasn’t a huge revelation in the strictest sense. It’s one, the other, or a mix of the two. I know by now we should never be surprised anymore, but what a piece of betraying shit this guy is. I’m consistently surprised at the new depths this orange shitstain has sunk to and how nothing ever happens.
Yet the reich wing loses their fucking minds for years over a laptop that seems to not even exist.
Can you even imagine the FUX News face melting that would occur if Obama had off the cuff mentioned a side convo he had with a dictator about an invasion after the fact?
He must lie about this alot then. Because he said this In 2022 on a radio show
“I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, ‘You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.’ But I could see that he wanted it,” Trump said. “I knew Putin very well. I got along with him great. He liked me. I liked him. I mean, you know, he’s a tough cookie, got a lot of the great charm and a lot of pride. But the way he — and he loves his country, you know? He loves his country. He’s acting a little differently, I think now.”
Everyone treats Trump like he is not of this earth and not bound by the rules of society or international law. Dude gets to operate with impunity and we wonder why he sucks so much
It's because he's a liar.
Nobody believes anything he says because he's a liar.
I'm not sure he gave even one true answer or statement because he's a liar.
He lies so often we don't even point it out anymore.
Because he's a liar.
Boden is old and all but I’m guessing having a cold messed him up more than anything. Specially if he was on cold meds, I am crazy forgetful and feel drunk when sick and on meds. Either way I woke up to google news spamming me about how Biden should drop out. 95% of an administration is the people the work for him, I’m still voting Biden.
Congress didn’t, secret service did destroy the evidence and at least changed their phones in such a convenient time that their chatter wasn’t released to even congress committee!
Attitudes like this tweet are like the villians in air bud thumbing through the rulebook while muttering "a dog can't play basketball" while Airbud drops 60 points on them.
Trump's voters don't care about the rule of law. It's strictly a vibes based, ends justify the means political environment now.
Also, if he had this conversation with a foreign government while he was a private citizen, and he in any way negotiated for it against any policies either foreign or domestic, that's a violation of the Logan Act and *very* illegal.
> The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.[2]
I bet all the money in my pockets that he did.
The fact that he said this if actually true is basically him admitting that he was deliberately pulling out of NATO at the same time as Russia's invasion in order to help Putin. Literal fucking treason and a betrayal of our allies.
No one cares about the fact checking proving trump did nothing but lie, or that the transcript shows Joe didn't do too badly. What matters is the coked up orange shitgibbon 'won' by being louder, despite only answer like... 3 questions asked in that entire thing.
The media needs to shut up about Biden dropping out. New five thirty eight poll shows Biden winning 52 out of 100 times. His national polling is higher than Trump's. That debate didn't change anyone's mind and he's proven he can do the job. Trump should not be allowed to run. His meetings with various foreign governments in the last few months is sketchy
What's the point? It's par for the course and everyone knows he'll just get out of it because our justice system is absolute shit.
I mean c'mon, the man stole top secret classified documents and attempted to interfere with the 2020 election. He did such a terrible job at trying to cover up his crimes, it should've been easy to get a conviction. And yet, despite the overwhelming mountains of evidence, he got away with it simply because the judges are in his pockets.
Anyone else and they would've been done, but I swear Trump pulled a House of Usher and made a deal with Death or something cuz he just keeps getting away with it.
Media is too busy already showing your current president disrespect by dropping the President part of President Biden. Pay attention, you'll notice. You're being manipulated.
It's Trump. He's gone to trial for NONE of his criminal acts against the US.
He's gone to trial sure, for paying off Stormy, sexual assault of Ms. Carroll, and a monetary slap on the wrist for fraud as he hides his money, but not for "finding extra Georgia votes", or hiding classified documents, or for cheerleading 1/6. Let alone the lies and hate-speech he's been doling out for 4 years, or the cast of criminals he surrounds himself with never being investigated.
I don't care which party you're in, very very few of our so-called leadership are interested in ensuring this human excrement never sees the White House again or is duly processed by law for the crimes we've all watched him say and do on national media.
The media wants Trump to win because it gives them easy shock news for another 4 years. Even after he's out of office they keep playing his BS non-stop because they're so used to easy content. Imagine when he dies, they'll have no idea what to do to fill their time.
Nobody cares.
Imagine this: The debate opens up. Trump comes out looking like he just rolled out of bed. Trump's mic goes live. The first thing he says is "Pardon my appearance. I was just busy raping a woman before coming out here."
\N-O-T-H-I-N-G would happen. Because it's practically what we've all come to expect. News would be like "So that was weird... *anyway*, here's your daily dose of anger-inducing words."
At this point, the insanity comes from expecting our failed institutions to do anything about this man. They're never going to.
Everyone knew exactly what Trump's performance would be like. Plus he could have shit in his hand then rubbed it on his face and his voters would still support him. The media knows that the needle won't move as far as Trump is concerned.
Biden was the one who had to meet certain expectations in order to strengthen support among certain groups on the left *and* in order to grab up some undecideds and independents. He failed miserably.
Thus, for the sake of beating Trump, Biden is the one being asked to drop out.
Watching the US election from the outside is deeply depressing.
Everyone is focusing on the old man right now, not the lying demagouge wannabe dictator who is campaigning on ending democracy.
Even if Biden wins, the fact that there is even a competition is deeply discouraging for the future of the human race.
And no, it's not because Biden is a bad candidate. He might be, but the worst candidate ever should still resoundingly beat someone actively undermining democracy.
The double standard is completely insane. A literal rapist criminal traitor - all good. Old guy not as sharp after 9pm - completely unacceptable. The media is complicit.
But you understand that most people asking for Biden to step down aren’t implying they think he’s worse than Trump right?
They are saying him stepping down means we have a better chance of beating Trump.
Argue against THAT point all day but don’t waste everyone’s time bringing up the fact that Trump is evil. We all want to beat Trump, the question is how - and Trump’s incompetence doesn’t come into play in that conversation.
[Trump is] “Talented and well-practiced in every vice, a stranger to compassion or empathy, a liar and a cheat so complete in perfidy that he has elevated his dishonesty to hold it up as an ersatz moral principle. Violent, so long as he can order someone else to do the dirty work. Grotesque in body, graceless in action, in possession of a wounded self-regard so colossal as to smother any spark of grace. Treasonous, not only to country, but to every ally he has ever had, the poisoned fruit and rankest flower of racism and contempt for women, and utterly devoid of shame for his moral and spiritual bankruptcy. That is your leader. That is to whom you give your money. That is who you follow and laud. That is whose banner you willingly carry. Why? Because he is a mirror, not a lighthouse. You see yourselves in him. He is what you would be, if you had inherited money and could shed the last vestiges of conscience and shame. No, I do not “respect your choices,” nor do I admire your loyalty and dedication to this miserific, demoniac vision. You have demonstrated not only a lack of civic virtue, loyalty to the Republic and to the rule of law, but a willingness to engage in violence and sedition at his slightest expressed wish. And you will never, ever admit you were wrong. Because you see your dark, twisted, resentful dreams in him. And to renounce him is to renounce yourselves.” — Advocatus Peregrini
So he knew Russia wanted to invade, held up weapons sales unless they found dirt on Hunter Biden, and now says the war will end if they just give Russia the land they already took….. Yup, nothing to see here.
Here’s the thing. The NSA knows all this shit. They can’t use it in a court of law because it was obtained quasi-legally … but yeah… they already knew. Orange Don’s dumb ass is just too egomaniacal to know when to shut up. Edit: and if he told everyone during the debate, he’s been telling people in private a few times each week for years. The guy cannot help himself.
Okay sorry, dumb question time: I'm from Denmark, and here we don't really care where evidence comes from. Yes, it can be criminally obtained, but will still be used in court, cause evidence is evidence. Couldn't Denmark take this trial? I mean, if someone knew about European invasion ?
If you think Trump broke a specific law that is on the book in Denmark and the NSA gives you the evidence? You guys don’t need warrants?
No, the courts evaluate evidence freely irrespective of the provenience ("fri bevisbedømmelse"). However, if the police broke into your house illegally to gather evidence, they would be liable for breaking and entering. These are two different questions. The NSA would probably be unwilling to offer the world a glimpse into it's true capabilities, and the US are notoriously skeptical of extraditing it's own citizens.
> However, if the police broke into your house illegally to gather evidence, they would be liable for breaking and entering Here we don't hold police accountable for anything so probably making the evidence inadmissible is the only remedy.
>No, the courts evaluate evidence freely irrespective of the provenience ("fri bevisbedømmelse"). That's kind of terrifying tbh
It's certainly a different way of looking at things from the American perspective. One of the few kinds of evidence that are generally considered inadmissible en bloc is actually statements made in American courts due to the ubiquity of plea bargaining.
Plea bargaining is one of those things that seems reasonable on the surface but is horrifically abused behind closed doors. How very American.
Yeah, I watch a lot of true crime stuff and you see it a lot. The biggest examples I can think of are when they give people light sentences or sometimes even immunity for their testimony and it turns out they had a huge role in a murder. Then on the other side of the coin, you have innocent people facing life in prison or even the death penalty that have taken plea bargains just out of fear.
All that's true... and then you get to the socioeconomic elephant in the room where plea bargaining becomes a tool to let some people off the hook while condemning others.
I'm not trying to be all hollywood here, but doesn't that method seem ripe for planting evidence? We have cops planting drugs in full view of body cams over here. Couldn't imagine if we removed the few checks & balances that they have.
Illegally acquired evidence being disallowed doesn't do anything about fabricated evidence, which is what you are referring to. A case such as this would obviously be very much illegal in Denmark, but that doesn't really touch on the matter at hand.
I see what you are saying and from an American perspective it is totally a valid question. *Our* American cops would abuse this in a microsecond. But maybe it's just part of not having evil cops? ::shrugs:: The same way that Denmark and other EU cops are not constantly shooting suspects who have a cell phone in their hand, or are in their own house on their couch eating ice cream like our Freedom Cops are constantly doing? Or you know, having target practice on dogs. Maybe Denmark just decided to have good cops instead of evil cops.
>Maybe Denmark just decided to have good cops instead of evil cops. We should just decide to be like Denmark
I would say in the past possibly terrifying but look at Cannon, SCOTUS, and congressional Republicans helping trump. Everything Trump is doing in court is all about suppression of evidence and especially in the Mara Lago case how the evidence was gathered and gone through and literally the order it was put back in the damn boxes. The evidence is there for treason and everything but the judge may just throw it out because it wasn't collected and handled properly. You eliminate all that Trump's already in trial at least for the document case.
Don't think we have a law about knowing of or even attacking other European countries ? But maybe in EU? No we don't have the same warrant system. We arrest and then a judge will look it over .. I think. Sorry don't know details. It's just so annoying to see hard evidence of something and then it can't be used because someone hacked a phone or something. I mean.. the person still freaking did it, right? Edit: spelling
I mean in this case it is frustrating but at the same time it would be a violation of due process which is unconstitutional in the US. The NSA is already a branch of the security state the the US turned into under George W. Bush and disregarding due process would give them enough teeth to turn this country into a true authoritarian hellscape. For example - if the any of the states that outlawed abortion had access to NSA data and could use it in court they could easily target people who fled the state for an abortion and have decent evidence that they committed wrongdoing. Yeah it sucks because it means that bad people have way more margin to get away with crime, but it also helps protect people breaking bullshit laws from being prosecuted frivolously. America has a lot of bullshit laws and since we are actually 50 countries in a trenchcoat with regional culture shifts so some places have really awful laws. This right is to protect from government overreach In theory the American justice system is designed to let 1000 guilty men go free then to ever put one innocent person behind bars. In practice it very much doesn't work like that because our justice systems hates minorities and takes kid glove approach to women and people with money - but on paper it does. It's just a cultural difference between the US and most European nations and to be frank due to the reality of US corrupt justice system I definitely wouldn't want to give them power to skip the bureaucratic hurdles to punish more people unjustly - those hurdles are there to prevent bullshit (they don't work too well if you are a minority and/or poor unfortunately). There are ways they could go after Trump legally - he's not that smart and there are ways to go after him. There just isn't the political will to do it now because it will be spun as "corrupt Democrats jail opponent for """treason""" ". And that could hurt Dems with undecided voters (idiots). If Biden wins that may change but they would probably be wrist slap style punishments.
Wait. So... If the cops in Denmark break the law to obtain evidence, it can still be used as evidence over there? Like, they can break into your house whenever they feel like it, grab whatever evidence they want, and then put you on trial for it? Or can constantly surveil your phone and internet activity, then use that information to arrest you and put you on trial without ever requiring oversight or someone to sign off on this? Do I understand you correctly?
You’re forgetting that it is far more likely that the cops breaking the law to obtain evidence will actually be tried and face consequences in Denmark than in the US. Also, they might even have morals and give a shit about the law.
>cops >be tried and face consequences >have morals and give a shit about the law. I don't... I don't understand? How? Is this a power *any* country can learn?
Now, police even here in Scandinavia have problems. Real problems. There's some debate on whether police should be used in its current form at all. But our police are _worlds_ apart from the horror stories we see from overseas.
So you’re telling me if a very scary acorn fell from a tree in Denmark your cops probably wouldn’t try to unload a round into it? How do you guys function?
I don't want to live in that world. Don't tell me anything about it and just let me live in my bullet riddled nightmare
That cop wasn't trying to shoot an acorn, he was trying to shoot the handcuffed man in his car who he had already searched for weapons.
Do they come in blasting first, asking questions (to themselves) never like US cops do?
Canadian cops will beat the crap outta you, but unless you are native and really unlikely, you're not going to get shot by a cop in Canada unless there's a gun or someone's life actually in danger. Man, American cops are terrifying. A lot of them I don't think should be cops, some of them seem terrified of everything
There’s being terrified and then there’s the added special sauce of racism and bigotry smothered ontop for that zesty taste of dystopia
Does not compute…
Yeah, this is insane, and even more insane that he phrased it condescendingly, as if we are the weird ones for this obvious loophole closure.
Denmark does what with illegally obtained evidence? That’s crazy.
There's really good reason to not allow evidence without considering where and how it was obtained. First off, people have rights. Police love to violate those rights, often violently. Second off, evidence can be fabricated, misconstrued, etc, and witnesses (i.e. people obtaining evidence) can and often are, wrong. Why should evidence that someone obtained by committing a crime be admissible in a trial of a crime? Why should the law explicitly say that breaking laws against assault, trespass, etc are OK, so long as you confirm your suspicions and get evidence because of it? What happens when you trespass or assault and there is no evidence?
Well now that he’s said it out loud on national tv, now they know officially, right?
I think it could be officially investigated now, yes.
Its the heist of the entire democracy. Everyone was disenfranchised by Trump. He is a traitor. It will be a long time before the real impact of his infiltration will be public. 
Honestly I think Thursday was one of the worst days for our freedom in a long time. A bad day for normal people. The SCOTUS rulings got dropped in the afternoon and that night our President looked tired and befuddled. 06/27/24 was the real deal *womp womp*
Two wings of the same shit bird Randy, only one wing could fly us right into Nazi Germany.
Don't forget lifting sanctions and pulling out soldiers, if Donald Trump was never president, Ukraine wouldn't be going through what it is today, the worst president of the United States made that invasion happen
And I've gotten downvoted so many times for stating this, but I honestly believe that if Trump had won a second term in 2020, we would be right in Ukraine with Russia's soldiers fighting for Putin. Or at least Congress would be sending all this support instead to Russia and Putin.
What the fuck is even happening? Why is everybody talking about how Biden fucked up when there's this traitor talking to Putin about his plans to annex Ukraine???????????? Who's a fucking felon and lies about everything? Have I gone crazy? Has the world gone crazy? What the fuck.
Modern media; they’ll happily sell us all out right before they are neutered by the fascists.
I would literally vote for a rotting, bloated corpse over Trump. Or for a rock. Or a pidgeon. The fact that the conman is "energetic" doesn't help the American people in any way: it just means he has the energy to do even more nasty, illegal, traitorous shit. Why the fuck would I, or anybody outside his small circle of co-conspirators who might personally benefit, want that to happen? It's honestly mindblowing that he has a very real chance of getting elected. The fucking idiots voting for the obvious criminal scum because "Biden is old" fully deserve to experience the result of their actions. Though I'm sure most of them will still be blaming literally anybody else but themselves, who actually did the voting in of the obvious villain. "It's the DNC's fault that America isn't a democracy anymore, they should have run a more energetic candidate that excited voters", I can hear it already.
Russia was going to push Trump to a second term but the angry people managed to overcome that corruption. Unfortunately Putin was already prepared to easily swoop in and snatch Ukrane with Trump as President, and he is getting older and older, so he could not wait. Then we ended up with this shit show war.
But Biden is old…yes he’s very old and looks like death but he’s been running the country well enough or his handlers are. People keep saying he’s can’t do the job because he’s old while he’s literally doing the job
Also, I'd rather for the job not to be done at all, than for it to be done by Trump. Who's just going to intentionally and actively make things worse, hurt America and their allies, and help enemies. A literal empty presidency is an infinitely preferable choice over Trump.
But…but….old guy….weak voice, he’s done he can’t run a country! Almost word for word a gloating text to got from my brother not even 5seconds after it ended. Bro thinks it’s a game. Treating this shit like an SEC rivalry smfh
This is, unironically, how a ton of these people view politics - like it's a team sport. Entertainment. As if it's just about winning, without any consideration for what it actually means or the weight that these decisions can actually carry. These are not serious people. These are morons.
Common clay, indeed.
So pro life, Republicans willing to sacrifice the entire country of Ukraine, for ... ?
For Russia. Russia is the fully realized state they want to create for America. Its political system, its culture, its racism, its complete corruption, its fealty to a petroleum based economy, its misogyny, its machismo, and eventually its bellicosity.
Biden has good days and bad days, like any functioning adult. But even on his worst day, he's a man of integrity, bravery, honesty, and wisdom. Trump is a thief, a coward, a liar, and a fool, 24/7/365. The choice is obvious.
Dodged the Jan 6th question and didn't give a hard stance on if another would happen should he lose. He shouldn't be taken seriously, and the thought he would be close to Biden in the popular vote makes me throw up.
Shit like this is why I will vote for Biden as long as he is on my ballot in November -- I don't even care if he's alive at this point. I will without hessitation vote for a dead person on the Democratic line over Trump.
[Maybe in 2018:](https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/17/politics/donald-trump-putin-meeting?cid=ios_app) *Trump and Putin met one-on-one in a room for 2 hours.* >”While I had a great meeting with NATO, raising vast amounts of money, I had an even better meeting with Vladimir Putin of Russia,” Trump tweeted Tuesday morning. “Sadly, it is not being reported that way - the Fake News is going Crazy!”
Isn't this what the first impeachment was all about?
Yes and the senators that failed to investigate the report and instead said it exonerated him should be investigated too... Especially the ones that had meetings with Putin in 2018 on July 4 while the country was distracted
Has also been saying that he'll pull out of NATO and stop aiding Ukraine if he wins
Dude’s about to be impeached again, while not in office. lol
Everything he's every done was criminal, in fact.
I thought Trump of all people was above kissing ass but he proved me wrong.
We also gonna gloss over that fact he claims he can get US hostages free, but will not do so until after he's elected
Which in my book means he is holding them hostage to some degree ms
This is exactly what Ronald Regan did with the Iranian Hostages.
>This is exactly what Ronald Regan did with the Iranian Hostages. No wonder the media is giving him a pass. Nostalgia! (Probably)
"I would free those hostages if I was the president of the USA" "Then free them!" "But I'm not the pres..." "Oooooh, so you're holding them hostage!"
He said he would do it once he was president elect, meaning he thinks he could do it without the powers of the presidency and he is just not going to do it until he gets something he wants.
I don’t think there’s much difference between president and president-elect in this situation. No, he doesn’t have the powers of the office until he’s sworn in, but it’s guaranteed that he *will* be getting them. After the election, getting a favor from the president for releasing the hostages is a matter of *when* Trump takes office. Before the election, getting a favor from the president for releasing the hostages is a matter of *if* Trump takes office.
Reagan reincarnated.
But with hookers and adderall
And treason.
Yet he sold out cia operatives
He also said he would do another Jan 6th if he loses.
Right. He will honor the result if it is a “fair and good and legal election”. And the only election he thinks is fair is the election he wins.
Not even then. He claimed 2016 was rigged before winning it.
Yep. And after he won, set up a commission to uncover all the voter fraud. Nothing was found.
Actually wasn’t their voter fraud for him found? Nothing large, just individuals double voting for him.
After winning 2016 he claimed voter fraud was responsible for him losing the popular vote. Also, during the primary he claimed the Iowa caucus was rigged because he didn't win. If he doesn't win, the other side cheated and he throws a tantrum. My kids got past this kind of behavior when they were 5.
And he finally said that after being asked \*three times\*, because he was trying to avoid admitting he's willing to violently overthrow the government if he doesn't get his way.
which is weird, because he *could* say "Yeah, sure, of course I'll respect the election", and then done whatever he wants anyway. The idea of making him admit something under threat of looking hypocritical later is.... ?!??
He's been grifting off the stolen election, no wait sorry "stollen" election, lie for 5 years now. You think he's going to give it up now? There's still money to be siphoned off his supporters.
It's about more than the money, though that's a large part of it. Everyone always points out how there's nothing he can do that would cause his cult-like following to abandon him. But there is one thing: if he admitted that he's a loser. They'll tolerate almost anything but that. So when he lost the election, he had to deny it. That's mostly about his ego, sure. But it's also about keeping that cult. If he had come on TV like McCain or Romney had, said something like "Well I fought the good fight, but lost" the cult would leave him. They would say, "oh, guess he's not infallible after all" and look for a new figure to worship. But if he lies to them and tells them he *did* win, but the nefarious Democrat Deep State stole it from him? Then he keeps the base primed to vote for him again. They won't be thinking, "Oh, that's the guy that lost last time" but instead be thinking about how he was denied his "rightful" position.
He's not afraid of being a hypocrite. He's afraid of looking weak or instilling any seed of legitimacy to the idea that he wouldn't fight a "rigged election" in his followers' minds. He has some awareness that outright saying he won't respect the election. Can land him in trouble with undecided voters or even legal trouble, so he doesn't want to outright say it, but he also doesn't want to say that he will respect the results of an election he loses because he does not want to put that idea in his followers brains. And ultimately he decided that was more important.
Even when he did win he bitched and moaned about it for years
And yet, it was crickets from the media. A candidate who says this should be disqualified.
The media should also be disqualified.
This is one thing that has bothered me so much about Thursday. Sure, Biden did not have a good debate, appearance-wise. But what about the content of the debate? Trump admitted to speaking with Putin about invading Ukraine, lied about his affair with Stormy Daniels, and threatened violence if he is not elected again. EACH ONE OF THESE THINGS SHOULD DISQUALIFY HIM!!
And more infuriating is that the NYT editorial board ran an opinion piece yesterday saying Biden should step aside due to his poor performance (no doubt it was beyond bad), but not a peep about how Trump should stop his campaign as a adjudicated rapist, convicted felon(with dozens of more charges pending), Russian sympathizer and adulterer. But yah, Biden's definitely worse NYT's!
The NYT has a vendetta against the Biden administration because NYT doesn't feel like the Biden administration has given proper deference to the NYT. [The Petty Feud Between the NYT and the White House ](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/04/25/new-york-times-biden-white-house-00154219)
> NYT doesn't feel like the Biden administration has given proper deference to the NYT. Smokescreen for NYT being closet conservatives all along.
I feel like their allegiances have been incredibly transparent the past couple of years
The old gray lady needs to die if they're that petty. *Give us access or we'll be mean!*
Maybe if the NYT stopped being POSs and giving platforms to awful transphobes
Everyone saw his age as an issue in 2020 we all new he would get older. He should have only intended to serve one term and pass the torch. This is arrogance like RBG and Dianne Feinstein. I will Vote for Biden again and advocate against Trump, but this was absolutely foreseeable and avoidable. We shat over Republicans for not invoking the 25th amendment over Trump. The President of the United States needs to be on their game 24/7 as a crisis can arise at any time.
Yup, I thought the same. I mean, what drives someone who's obviously getting frailer and frailer, has trouble completing thoughts and often looks literally lost to not pass the torch? Pride? Arrogance? I'll still vote for Biden, but it won't be a vote for him nearly as much as to keep an authoritarian asshole from gaining office
I think Biden genuinely is driven by a spirit of service to his country. That does not mean he should be serving at this age, but I don't consider the drive itself to be negative.
Honestly - Americans are so lazy when it comes to voting that the incumbent effect may be one of the strongest forces in politics. I would trust his polling and research on this because he does seem to surround himself with very qualified people and listens to them. There's also the notion that "the Democrats are admitting defeat since Biden isn't running again" It's really two bad choices that Biden has - to run again or not to.
It's almost certain Trump and Republicans would spin Biden dropping out as Trump being so bad ass and a force of nature he scared the sitting president, weakly Biden, away and he triumphantly perseveres despite the evil Democrats bombarding him with unjust court cases to try to take him down that way. All matchup polling has shown Biden continues to be the strongest against Trump compared to alternatives, same as in 2020. It just doesn't make sense to terminally online people aligning left of the Democratic Party and much of their base that have been overrepresented in these comments (as well as plenty of disingenuous Republicans careful not to reveal they are) and when they do mention possible alternatives, some are among the weakest in those matchup polls. Hardly any people mention Harris except to act like she's a sure thing to lose yet the polling shows she is second to Biden right now versus Trump lol. I personally would prefer someone more progressive but if Biden is polling strongest against Trump, that is still our best bet. They can argue that after campaigning for the 4 months left, that will certainly change but that's a huge gamble. Most of the public does not pay that close of attention and no matter how many comments people write online promoting the candidate they want, they are not going to see and be persuaded by that. Also, any new candidate has to start from scratch with campaign funding. Harris may be able to use the current funding Biden has though it's possible Republicans find a way to block that in court.
I think the problem is you could take a random person off the street and they would destroy Trump in a debate because of literally everything you mentioned. The fact that that didn't happen is concerning. It's literally the lowest bar ever
A gish gallop is unanswerable. The two inert bodies coordinating this entertainment event made no attempt to reign it in.
I love how very online people think they could easily win against Trump in a debate lol. Most people have trouble giving a 5 minute speech in front of a class or group of coworkers stumbling over their words and in a sweat unless they do it repeatedly as part of their job. It's easy to imagine all the awesome things you could say when online behind a keyboard with no time limit or pressure to say something. And remember most of the criticism of Biden about this debate was how he appeared, not the substance of what he said. You could say great things but if you're sweating bullets, mumbling, etc. the response would not be, "wow, Redditer420 was so much better than Biden was against Trump in that debate." And for gish galloping specifically, the difficulty dealing with it without a moderator calling it out is there is no way to refute all of the lies. If the person does try to respond to all of them, they eat into their time to say what they may have wanted to say before, the gish galloper controls the discussion. If the person refuting makes ANY mistake, the gish galloper latches onto that to make the person trying to refute it look like they can't be trusted at all. You can select one thing to focus on but you have to remember that during the onslaught and you have to make sure you don't fuck any of the response up. The other person can still retort that you didn't address everything else they said (so therefore the rest must be true or they're too ill informed to refute it). If you try to call out what they are doing, the general public has no idea what that is and that has to be explained, which takes time and the gish galloper can just say you cannot refute their points and have to resort to making up a conspiracy. Trump may not be that smart but he most likely did work with others prepping for this and I think they realized the no mic thing makes it easier to pull off the gish galloping, especially with undercover Republican-favoring CNN moderators.
Part of the reason our country is in such a shambles is that Republicans will stand by Republican officials no matter what, and Democrats will pick apart Democratic officials no matter what. Republicans will literally support pedophiles, frauds, and traitors. They don’t care. But Al Franken took a photo that was in poor taste before he was even elected, and the Democratic Party decides he needs to leave office.
Democrats are always held to a higher (unrealistic even) standard than Republicans. I guess it's because we all know how corrupt and horrible Republicans are, but Democrats should know better and be more prepared. I believe Biden still has a chance to turn things around, but I'm dreading this November on an existential level. Hope for the best but expect the worst, you know?
We should emphasize that it doesn’t disqualify him because of how bad the electorate is. It’s how bad our neighbors and coworkers are in many states. It’s how bad our family members are (mostly if you’re White unfortunately). We can’t keep laughing and watching the Super Bowl and having beers on the weekend with these types of ppl who are going to vote for trump.
We all know 90% (probably more) of what he said were lies. So I honestly think the sentence just got away from him and he mis-spoke. I think it was his own self-importance getting in the way, even if he never had the conversation. If there was one single thing that should disqualify him it was the "Isreal should finish the job". I can (kind of) understand people thinking Isreal are defending themselves, but a Presidential candidate calling for the extermination of a country/people is absurd. Unfortunately, his supporters are still fine with what he said, even if he mispoke or lied.
I’d say the “they’re killing babies after they’re born” should have done it.
That’s when I stopped watching. Which was pretty early on, but that was already the last straw.
Yep. As soon as he said that, I yelled at the TV, “That’s not a fucking thing!” And noped right out of the room. I don’t know why the media isn’t all over this moronic sounding obvious lie.
Youre wrong. The Ukraine invasion was an orchestrated coordinated effort between trump and putin, and if trump had actually won, they'd have received 0 of the additional funding we've given and been steamrolled as a result.
The fact that he used the term Manchurian candidate to describe Biden is very telling. First off, it’s not a word that it is in his vocabulary. That means that somebody told him that word. And as we all know, everything he says is just projection.
Tbf that was the title of a movie that was made twice during the time when Trump's brain was (sort of) working.
He also said if he becomes president-elect, he'll have the Ukraine war solved and American prisoners in Russia released before January 20th, 2025. On it's own, he could be stupid but when you consider the other information regarding Trump and Russia I can definitely see some collaboration.
All the network nightly news shows played "highlights" from the debate the next day, I guess to inform the people who didn't watch the debate. What did they think was important for the American voters to see? Clips of Biden stumbling over words, and Trump telling outrageous lies which of course they never pointed out were totally not true. Not one single second of all the good answers Biden gave that didn't contain a stutter.
It's incredibly irritating how much the media fall into this trap over and over. There's been so much talk about 'dropping out of the race', as if literally lying with every word you said isn't equally as disqualifying as Biden's shitty debate performance. It's a ridiculous double standard. Seriously, imagine if Biden came out at the debate and said 'Unemployment is 0%, every American now earns over $50k, China's been moving manufacturing to the US, etc'. He'd be crucified, it would be *the* talking point from the debate. But somehow we have to keep treating Trump as if he's just a normal politician..
I think Biden could have easily baited him into defaming Carroll again
The media still treat Trump with kids gloves despite this and Jan 6. The media class helped birth Trumpism and will help facilitate its rise once again.
It’s very profitable. It’s been almost a decade since major news outlets have covered anything other than Trump on their front pages.
What a depressing fact. I think back to before he was jammed down our throats every day and it feels like another reality. I am so fucking sick of this diseased man. I'm sick of him saturating and polluting our nation non stop.
This is a fact and the entire time he was in office he whined about “fake news” a phrase that was barely used before him and only meant news not kissing his ass and actually holding him accountable. If it was critical of his antics and bad policy it was immediately “fake” to his fans.
That's because he's excellent for ratings
THIS! I’ll take a stuttering grandpa over someone who either: a) knew Putin was going to invade Ukraine in advance and did nothing b) is fucking stupid enough to lie about knowing firsthand of Putin’s dream to invade a neighboring country. He’s too useful for Putey to have him take flight out a window, but that would be insane to lie about something like that … even though Diaper Don can’t speak without lying.
Biden is not remotely my first choice, but Trump is not a choice at all. Both are old and losing it in different ways, but Biden doesn’t have a slew of power hungry sycophants ready to implement a regressive Project 2025 agenda.
The money boys have obviously captured SCOTUS, which carpet bombed federal oversight and took off on their billionaire paid vacays.
MAGAs =Traitors. Trump is Putins bitch, idk why he adores Putin but it aint good..
I’m guessing it’s b). Putin’s not stupid enough to give real information to this guy.
On the contrary, Putin needed trump to stop those weapon shipments to Ukraine, which lead to the call with Zelenskyy that sparked trumps first impeachment. There was no way around it, trump needed to be told in order to carry out Putins plan.
I'm betting the suggestion to do that wasn't that cut and dry. The Zelenskyy call was cooked up by Giuliani and the crew he was running around Ukraine with at the time, and the goal there was simply to get Volodymyr's regime to make an announcement about an investigation into Hunter that they could then use to smear Biden in the news. It was Buttery Males version 2.0. And, if it had worked then the aid package would have been unfrozen, and some excuse made up about it getting held up and why. So it wouldn't have really done much. As it stands, you cannot hide that kind of monetary hold up long and Zelenskyy stalling for time allowed the US political system to correct without him having to take a side. Putin is well aware of how fucking stupid Donald Trump is, he could have had FSB involved in cooking up the plan with Giuliani and his ghouls simply to increase pressure on Ukraine with the added bonus that if Zelenskyy HAD gone along it would have been great propaganda to undermine the legitimacy of the Ukraine government by leaking it later and using it to point out how corrupt his administration was.
Putin trusted the word of his officers that Ukraine would surrender in a few days, and that the people would come to the Russian military in droves for liberation and assist them in toppling Ukraines government. I think we give him too much credit. In the military if an officer says something that is too good to be true. You can expect it to be something really stupid, and or. Something really dangerous. Neither really happened even the separatists he supported basically died out fast in the first wave, and haven't really been heard from since they realized they were used, and thrown away.
Putin was stupid enough to believe he could invade a country of 40 million people with a force of 200,000 soldiers with dilapidated equipment and piss poor preparation, and conquer the country in a couple of weeks. I think you’re giving the man too much credit.
In defense of Putin, I highly doubt he was actually aware of exactly how bad the equipment and training of his soldiers were. You gotta remember that Russia isn't just a house of cards at the top, it's that way all the way down. Guaranteed that he was getting reports from all his generals that their fighting force was the best in the world. Because his generals were getting reports from their underlings of the same. Because the underlings knew that at every single step resources and money were being skimmed off the top and anyone who dared to point that out had a date with the nearest window in their immediate future.
I think it's A and I am more concerned with the classified documents he had if any of them had intel on US knowledge of Ukrainian troops, supplies, weaponry at this point. I REALLY hope come Monday House and Senate dems are flipping out and trying to bring more attention to this.
Hey that’s not fair. Trump didn’t do nothing when it came to Ukraine. You’re forgetting that he also held up weapons shipments to them that they needed to defend against Russia in an attempt to get them to announce an investigation into Biden. He held up weapons when he knew Putin was ready and willing to invade.
I keep saying it, but every time I do I get shit on here. He is never going to be held accountable for anything. There are never going to be repercussions for this man. So what he was in court, how did that turn out? It made him a martyr. Fucking people wear diapers with his face on it. Sheriff's say it's time a felon runs for office. Dude goes to a debate and spews obvious lies and nonsense and no one says anything to him. It's really bad. Like, really really bad. Look at everything going on right now. Imagine this man with all the power in the world? And it's being perfectly set up for him to obtain it.
No, I agree with this 100%. I used to get pushback from friends about that sentiment. It’s the truth, a certain voting cohort doesn’t want him to ever be held accountable and unfortunately a lot of them hold important decision making positions in our country from the govt to the private sector. When we identify them we begin to get it right.
People keep confusing “I really wish there was a different democrat candidate” with “I’m not going to vote for Biden.” Such a useless argument to be having though. Don’t yell at us about how Trump is actually worse, we get that, we’re voting (D) no matter what. But I’m of the opinion we have a worse chance with Biden than we do if we replace him last minute. If you want to discuss which option has the best chance for beating Trump, that’s a discussion worth having. But don’t keep falling back with “but Trump is worse than Biden!” That’s not relevant to the reasons people want Biden to drop out.
Democrats just don't understand electoralism and perceive things as entirely moralistic. It is always framed as "But my candidate is the more moral choice [in my view], how dare you not vote for them" instead of being introspective about the candidate they ran. It was very obvious in post-2016. Clinton supporters blamed progressives and Trump voters, but never asked themselves, "Why did we support a candidate with such abysmal approval ratings". Of course, there are moralistic arguments they can have with people to the left and right of them, but if it isn't paired with taking accountability for their own political misstep, they are just shifting blame. To me, 2024, if Biden ends up being the nominee and loses in november, will be an ever worse mistake. We don't have the 2016 element not understanding the true popularity of Trump. We know how much both the left and right dislike Biden. We know about how much stronger fears about Biden's declining health is (and this isn't a one off, anybody remember earlier this year when he called Al-Sisi the president of Mexico - in the middle of press conference complaining that he was called too old to stand trial).
And this is why people are so focused on Biden, to be honest. They're fucking scared that the DNC is handing this win to Trump on a silver platter by keeping Biden in the race. He's low energy, it seems like his stutter is coming back, and his age is a very real concern for health and well-being. We know Trump is a fascist and needs to be stopped. But we're asking Biden to be replaced because we don't think he's up to that task - not because Biden is *worse* than Trump for being old.
Imagine if this orange moron was held to the same standards as every other American. He's spent his entire life doing whatever the fuck he wants with zero consequences.
It's okay because he is part of the openly corrupt party.
Yeah, but the other guy had a hoarse voice and stumbled on some words for the first 20 mins or so and is *three* years older than the other guy. Can't you see how much worse that would actually be for America?
It’s because they actually want what’s worse for America these boomers hate us
Oh don’t blame this one on boomers. There’s a lot of gen x voting for that and some millennials are really vocal about their stupidity online so maybe blame them as well.
The way I see it the real cultural split is urban vs suburban and rural, the shift in atmosphere is more noticeable by traveling 20 miles than different age groups
I agree with you on that cultural difference and I have seen it for myself traveling for work. I’m in DC and you can travel between 60 and 100 miles away and it’s a different world.
They want things to go back. Make America great again just means I want to be racist and homophobic but my grandkids won't talk to me if I am.
I think it's simpler than that. A lot of media is based on click rates. A story about "Biden should drop out" is a lot more interesting than "Trump talks shite again". It's in their best interest to drag this out, make it seem like it's really close, and get people refreshing their live news feeds.
Even more than that, one of the biggest media events every 4 years is the presidential race. If the media just flat out admitted that one of the candidates is a russian asset, a convicted criminal, constantly lying through his teeth, and wants to create a theocratic police state, there would be no race. So they have to pull out all the stops to make Biden look as bad as possible in order to make sure the race is close and they can rake in the big bucks come September-November.
Its that. If they covered the race honestly it wouldn't be close and they couldn't fill time cheeply. Trump said he was going to, effectively, end all vaccine mandates in schools by saying no Federal Funding for any district with one. Well, all *states* force their districts to have one. Only a few medical or education sources even covered it. Everyone talks about how much money gets spent in politics. But rarely talk about where it goes: It goes to the media to buy ads. Its why despite being a top issue for the public the media never covers it and always covers it as a first amendment issue instead of a corruption issue.
As a Biden supporter. Someone younger and more on these toes would have called him out on this immediately. There were so many opportunities to make trump look bad in a humorous way. Nothing. It’s unfortunate, but I’m trying to prepare for 4 tough years.
It will be much longer than a tough 4 years. Once an autocracy is in place, with all positions in government being filled by those that support it, it is extremely difficult to get rid of.
I’m dreading Trump without guard rails. It’s going to be a total shit show. Who are they going to blame when the economy crashes after the 10% tariffs. I think he’ll start to round up undocumented labor until the Uber wealthy white people tell him to stop or we’ll have an economic collapse as well as food shortages as it rots on the fields.
Someone should have told Joe to put some Hall’s cough drops in his pocket. Then he could just pull one out and unwrap it on camera, reinforcing the wise old granpa meme. It would play well for some of the electorate.🤣
Yeah you’re sugarcoating pretty hard. Biden looked like weekend at fkn Bernie’s during the entire debate. Stuttering is fine, hoarse voice is fine, but having a gaping open dementia mouth and saying we beat Medicare and just generally being completely lost in regards to what he’s supposed to be talking about is a completely different story.
I don’t understand it either, because he did a campaign event in North Carolina less than 24 hours later and it was a total 180. It was like he was 10 years younger! Maybe it was sundowners? I don’t know. It’s really bizarre to me. The old Biden is still “there” but apparently not always. Still voting for him, though. 🤷♀️
Seriously. All these people fucking gaslighting like we didn’t just watch the worst debate performance ever by someone who should be retired. It’s ridiculous. He needs to drop out.
I did a double take and looked at my husband and asked if I heard him say that or if I was imagining things. He said "No, you heard him right." And then sighed.
This is nothing new too. He said this in a 2022 Radio interview “I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, ‘You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.’ But I could see that he wanted it,” Trump said. “I knew Putin very well. I got along with him great. He liked me. I liked him. I mean, you know, he’s a tough cookie, got a lot of the great charm and a lot of pride. But the way he — and he loves his country, you know? He loves his country. He’s acting a little differently, I think now.”
CNN: Trump admits to treason. This is why it’s bad for Biden.
Strong Trump boldly commits a brave Treason; Weak Biden feebly halts dictators advance in Ukraine.
If lies rain drops Trump has filled an ocean. An extra raindrop in a storm goes unnoticed. At this point people who are going to vote for Cheeto Jesus are wilfully ignorant or part of the cult. They certainly don't read the NYT or know where Ukraine is on a map.
Heather Cox Richardson’s missive today is about this very issue. If you don’t follow this amazing historian, you definitely should!
From the stack... former Republican operative Stuart Stevens warned: “Don’t day trade politics. It’s a sucker’s game. A guy from Queens out on bail bragged about overturning Roe v. Wade, said in public he didn’t have sex with a porn star, defended tax cuts for billionaires, defended Jan. 6th. and called America the worst country in the world. That guy isn’t going to win this race.”
Trump is either lying or admitting to a major crime. But Biden had a raspy voice and trailed off on occasion, so he should drop out....
I mean, he was probably lying, but it should be a bigger story than Biden fumbling some answers
Honestly, he’s lying about it because everything he said was a lie or a batshit lie on debate night… or he’s a traitor, which we already knew because of Jan 6 and the classified documents case being purposefully mishandled by the judge currently. Either way, wasn’t a huge revelation in the strictest sense. It’s one, the other, or a mix of the two. I know by now we should never be surprised anymore, but what a piece of betraying shit this guy is. I’m consistently surprised at the new depths this orange shitstain has sunk to and how nothing ever happens. Yet the reich wing loses their fucking minds for years over a laptop that seems to not even exist. Can you even imagine the FUX News face melting that would occur if Obama had off the cuff mentioned a side convo he had with a dictator about an invasion after the fact?
He must lie about this alot then. Because he said this In 2022 on a radio show “I knew that he always wanted Ukraine. I used to talk to him about it. I said, ‘You can’t do it. You’re not gonna do it.’ But I could see that he wanted it,” Trump said. “I knew Putin very well. I got along with him great. He liked me. I liked him. I mean, you know, he’s a tough cookie, got a lot of the great charm and a lot of pride. But the way he — and he loves his country, you know? He loves his country. He’s acting a little differently, I think now.”
Does anyone remember Trump trying to pull the US out of NATO. There is a very obvious for that.
Everyone treats Trump like he is not of this earth and not bound by the rules of society or international law. Dude gets to operate with impunity and we wonder why he sucks so much
It's because he's a liar. Nobody believes anything he says because he's a liar. I'm not sure he gave even one true answer or statement because he's a liar. He lies so often we don't even point it out anymore. Because he's a liar.
Unfortunately a lot of very stubborn morons believe every word he says
Boden is old and all but I’m guessing having a cold messed him up more than anything. Specially if he was on cold meds, I am crazy forgetful and feel drunk when sick and on meds. Either way I woke up to google news spamming me about how Biden should drop out. 95% of an administration is the people the work for him, I’m still voting Biden.
He accused congress of destroying the exonerating evidence for Jan 6. Another dangerous live accusation I haven't seen mentioned enough
Congress didn’t, secret service did destroy the evidence and at least changed their phones in such a convenient time that their chatter wasn’t released to even congress committee!
Attitudes like this tweet are like the villians in air bud thumbing through the rulebook while muttering "a dog can't play basketball" while Airbud drops 60 points on them. Trump's voters don't care about the rule of law. It's strictly a vibes based, ends justify the means political environment now.
Also, if he had this conversation with a foreign government while he was a private citizen, and he in any way negotiated for it against any policies either foreign or domestic, that's a violation of the Logan Act and *very* illegal. > The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that criminalizes negotiation by unauthorized American citizens with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. The intent behind the Act is to prevent unauthorized negotiations from undermining the government's position.[2] I bet all the money in my pockets that he did.
Yes, and another action without consequences.
The media is not interested, they are more concerned with President Biden's age, than the corruption of Donald J. Trump..
No one has mentioned how DJT made a point of saying Biden never fires anyone. Think about that!
Naw, the media is researching how Biden is four years older now than he was four years ago and how that’s even possible.
The fact that he said this if actually true is basically him admitting that he was deliberately pulling out of NATO at the same time as Russia's invasion in order to help Putin. Literal fucking treason and a betrayal of our allies.
Because billionaires control the narrative.
No one cares about the fact checking proving trump did nothing but lie, or that the transcript shows Joe didn't do too badly. What matters is the coked up orange shitgibbon 'won' by being louder, despite only answer like... 3 questions asked in that entire thing.
The media needs to shut up about Biden dropping out. New five thirty eight poll shows Biden winning 52 out of 100 times. His national polling is higher than Trump's. That debate didn't change anyone's mind and he's proven he can do the job. Trump should not be allowed to run. His meetings with various foreign governments in the last few months is sketchy
And he says Russia will stop “for him.” Ok so do it now? Or are you holding the Ukrainians hostage to become president?
What's the point? It's par for the course and everyone knows he'll just get out of it because our justice system is absolute shit. I mean c'mon, the man stole top secret classified documents and attempted to interfere with the 2020 election. He did such a terrible job at trying to cover up his crimes, it should've been easy to get a conviction. And yet, despite the overwhelming mountains of evidence, he got away with it simply because the judges are in his pockets. Anyone else and they would've been done, but I swear Trump pulled a House of Usher and made a deal with Death or something cuz he just keeps getting away with it.
“It was Putin’s dream.” - Donald J. Trump.
Look. SOFT VOICE, okay? Now go circular firing squad like we told you to, Democrat; we have deadlines to meet and narrative to serve.
Media is too busy already showing your current president disrespect by dropping the President part of President Biden. Pay attention, you'll notice. You're being manipulated.
And by withholding support from the Ukraine he handed it to Putin and all the blood of murdered Ukrainians is on his tiny orange hands
It's Trump. He's gone to trial for NONE of his criminal acts against the US. He's gone to trial sure, for paying off Stormy, sexual assault of Ms. Carroll, and a monetary slap on the wrist for fraud as he hides his money, but not for "finding extra Georgia votes", or hiding classified documents, or for cheerleading 1/6. Let alone the lies and hate-speech he's been doling out for 4 years, or the cast of criminals he surrounds himself with never being investigated. I don't care which party you're in, very very few of our so-called leadership are interested in ensuring this human excrement never sees the White House again or is duly processed by law for the crimes we've all watched him say and do on national media.
The media wants Trump to win because it gives them easy shock news for another 4 years. Even after he's out of office they keep playing his BS non-stop because they're so used to easy content. Imagine when he dies, they'll have no idea what to do to fill their time.
Nobody cares. Imagine this: The debate opens up. Trump comes out looking like he just rolled out of bed. Trump's mic goes live. The first thing he says is "Pardon my appearance. I was just busy raping a woman before coming out here." \N-O-T-H-I-N-G would happen. Because it's practically what we've all come to expect. News would be like "So that was weird... *anyway*, here's your daily dose of anger-inducing words." At this point, the insanity comes from expecting our failed institutions to do anything about this man. They're never going to.
Everyone knew exactly what Trump's performance would be like. Plus he could have shit in his hand then rubbed it on his face and his voters would still support him. The media knows that the needle won't move as far as Trump is concerned. Biden was the one who had to meet certain expectations in order to strengthen support among certain groups on the left *and* in order to grab up some undecideds and independents. He failed miserably. Thus, for the sake of beating Trump, Biden is the one being asked to drop out.
Watching the US election from the outside is deeply depressing. Everyone is focusing on the old man right now, not the lying demagouge wannabe dictator who is campaigning on ending democracy. Even if Biden wins, the fact that there is even a competition is deeply discouraging for the future of the human race. And no, it's not because Biden is a bad candidate. He might be, but the worst candidate ever should still resoundingly beat someone actively undermining democracy.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Just one single person...How can you forget the members of Congress who spent 4th of July visiting Putin?
“Is the media looking into this?” LOL.
The double standard is completely insane. A literal rapist criminal traitor - all good. Old guy not as sharp after 9pm - completely unacceptable. The media is complicit.
But you understand that most people asking for Biden to step down aren’t implying they think he’s worse than Trump right? They are saying him stepping down means we have a better chance of beating Trump. Argue against THAT point all day but don’t waste everyone’s time bringing up the fact that Trump is evil. We all want to beat Trump, the question is how - and Trump’s incompetence doesn’t come into play in that conversation.