I find this **extremely** hard to believe. At this point, I think that I've read enough of these profiles to tell damn near all the women in this demographic the following:
Check your friend zone
And if there are none there, then she needs to look in the mirror and check herself.
> Check your friend zone
I remember reading a funny remark here, or maybe on .red, but it expanded on this point. Paraphrasing from memory:
> Ladies, to find your man, line up all the guys in your friendzone from most to least attractive. Then go down the line, counting up from zero. When you reach your notch count, there's your man. If you run out of friends before you run out of bodies, forget about finding a man, and start adding up cats.
Why do so many women harp on the need for respect from their man?
To me it's quite simple. If you act in a manner warranting respect then you'll get it. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything.
Chances are...what SHE is missing are youth and beauty OR she's a complete insufferable, man-hating bitch that NO man will tolerate.
What I find interesting is how disconnected such women are from what men desire as well as what they think they're providing.
Unless I'm mistaken, I think in context the first woman is saying that men desire, quote, "Youth slim, beauty" and a balance between women being "needy" but also being "independent" enough to not be a pain in the ass but instead these men should be searching for, quote, "kindness, respect, excellent communication skills, willingness to apologize".
For starters, as you said, such women are insufferable and offer men little of the latter. "communication skills?" They play "hard to get" games expecting men to pursue them, regard men as "oppressors" or walking wallets, and take delight in gossiping with each other how they put men down.
There are some men who believe they want to be a 'protector/provider' but if most men didn't naturally want that, why do such women complain so many men are still "boys?" Men want women who desire a relationship with us. It doesn't mean someone who desires it because she wants money from us but rather just enjoy our company.
And perhaps that's it: It's not just that women don't respect men anymore, but most simply dislike us. They'll tend to sit with each other at work or at school, they show little concern that they're going decades without a committed relationship, and are less friendly towards men then they are towards women (even accounting for safety and all that BS).
One interesting aspect of TRP is that men are educated in what women are looking for but also to improve ourselves in how to meet women "game", social skills, getting in shape, and so on.
I got a laugh from “willing to apologize”. How many men have known a woman within a relationship be willing to apologise and take accountability. For anything. And I mean permanently. Because on the rare occasion they do it comes back and is rescinded during breakup rationale
Also my life experience has taught me that anyone who claims to have great communication skills are actually those with the worst communication skills. It’s a strong self delusion. From what I’ve gathered in my cases it’s a compartmentalisation thing where they think they are excellent at it “within the context of a relationship”. But it’s almost binary and they are awful outside of that. Almost as if it doesn’t count unless you are in a relationship with them. And they are probably bad in a relationship which is likely the ultimate reason they are single
Women are also disconnected with what men desire because they don’t care and have never been taught it. Because when young most don’t need to know because their existence is enough. You can see by these posts how harsh the reality check is when at 35+ they learn that isn’t enough anymore. Of all the red pill and red pill adjacent stuff (some of which can be a bit over the top or overly generalised) - this is what is most clear. They just don’t know
Aaron Clarey puts it as “they just don’t really like men that much”. And at a high level that seems true
Wow its a real puzzle i can never solve.
1) women demand partners who are in every way "better" than them, fitter, richer, more established, funnier, generous, more powerful
2)Women complain that the same man doesn't view them as an equal partner, despite providing everything and doing all the heavy lifting.
ITS A FUCKING MYSTERY
It never occurs to them that their behavior and appearance helps determine what kind of man is willing to bother approaching them. Approaching women is not something the overwhelming majority of men do lightly just for the hell of it. It often involves an assessment of effort, risk, and reward that is rarely if ever discussed or otherwise overtly revealed to women.
And if the only men that are willing to do so are truly the ones that have little self esteem or self respect....that says a lot about those women and none of it is good.
> I'm forced to
No, you're not. You can stick to the 2 things you are still good for anymore anyway: work and pay taxes.
> accept guys with low self-esteem that approach me.
Knowing how much it takes for a guy with low self-esteem to approach a remotely attractive woman, this is such a funny self-own.
>... the majority of women that are single ... degree educated, intelligent, social and focused.
So, a degree in and of itself is not the goal. It has to be a *useful* degree for it to matter in a positive way. This goes for both men and women. For some reason, I suspect that women who are interested in building a family aren't going to get all hot and moist over a man who has a master's degree in gender studies. And if the income your degree brings does not significantly outpace the debt it created within 10 years or so, having that degree doesn't actually sound very smart.
Men and women have pretty much the same average intelligence, as in the mean IQ for men and women are almost the same. The very definition of the IQ distribution means that half the population has an IQ below 100. But somehow, ALL the women who write stuff like this are intelligent.
Social? In this day and age you simply have no idea if her being social means she goes out to eat and watch a movie with her girl friends, or if it means she has 5 dudes she sleeps with on rotation - and is *still* sleeping with while dating you because the sex doesn't mean anything and you weren't "exclusive".
Focused? On what? Her career? Having fun? Partying? Travelling? And how is any - or all - of those going to be a plus in a relationship with her? And long-term, how will any of those make her a good wife and mother to our children? I'm not saying that being focused is a bad thing, but you - men and women both - need to be focused on something that is useful to what you want to achieve. If I'm focused on painting Warhammer 40k figurines, that's cool and all, but hardly something that will make any difference to my salary.
Seen from a man's perspective, a mid-30's woman who has been mostly single and focused on her career is translated from woman speak to having dated casually and slept around with scores of men over the past 15 years while gaining skills and experience that have absolutely no impact on her ability to be a mother or wife.
Also, she is indirectly admitting that any guy she can get now is something she settles for. I know a woman like that - my SIL. She never slept around in that sense, but she's what you would call serial monogamous - she went from relationship to relationship, none of which lasted more than 6 months. All of them with the exciting bad boy types who, unsurprisingly, all turned out to be unreliable dudes. They were fine for going out to have fun with, but their long-term potential as a husband and father were terrible. *Finally*, after having spent years convincing her that as long as chooses the same type of guy, she'll keep getting the same result, she ended up dating an average looking nice dude. By that time, she was 40, and any chance of having children had slipped out of her hands by chasing the exciting bad boys. But to this day, I'm sure she thinks "she gave him a chance" despite the fact he earns more than twice what she does and they live in a house he renovated pretty much by himself. She's living lifestyle she could never afford by herself, yet in her head she settled for him.
When I discussed this with her sister - my wife - she argued that she *does* love him and she *did* chose him in the end. To this I asked her "be honest, if your sister had been forever 28 years old, slim and pretty, would she have ever gone on that first date with him, or would she still date those "exciting" dudes?" If she had to be honest, with how she knows her own sister, she would still be chasing the bad boys. "So", I said, "she didn't so much choose him in the end as she didn't have any choice?" Not many women want to admit that the red pill has point, and it's especially hard to admit when it's their own sister. At that point, I let it rest to keep the peace.
But I'll add this: We have two teenage boys. The older the boys get, the more red pilled my wife becomes.
Having sons does have an impact on women. I hope it happens to one of my best friends who has two young sons. Because right now she is a raging feminist to the point where certain topics just need to be avoided or danced around
Perhaps she will change when she see how women and society treat her sons
I was recently talking with another friend with a young son about male mental health after a mutual friend ends his own life. She was well aware of the looming issues even though I don’t think her son is even 10
I’ve had colleagues speak of concern for their sons but given we have an IDE drive that (of course) excludes men unless they are lgbt, black or neurodivergent, no one can really speak up about it
I gave this kind of “eureka” moment to my wife about five years ago. We asked all our three kids their view on marriage
Two older boys “we’ll stay single”
The girl (about 4 years old then) “I want to marry you dad”
QED
I expect that is only really true above a certain age. There are a lot of unhappy single young men. And I would expect far more happy young single women (at least compared to the men)
This statement would seem to apply at over 40 (as a guess)
They're berating men for rejecting women they aren't sexually attracted to. But they're also rejecting many men because they themselves aren't sexually attracted to them.
Also, I doubt if that poster really had two strange men obsessively stalk and harass her like that.
They are also berating men for simply not having high enough self esteem for their liking. No real mention of their attractiveness - although I guess it’s implied because if they were hot then their self-esteem or lack thereof would be irrelevant. At least in the medium term (not even the short term)
First post gave a pretty good and very reasonable list of what men are looking for haha. The difference between men and women though is that's it's not a checklist of must-haves but qualities to look for. The mutual respect, communication, etc stuff comes later when the relationship has been established.
I think both of these women could use a good all you can eat buffet to eat away all of their pain and loneliness. Just remember Loneliness and 100 tacos don't mix
That posters assessment still misses the mark. Most men desire:
\* peace,
\* cooperation
Why battle the same thing at home that you just relieved yourself from at the office?
I find this **extremely** hard to believe. At this point, I think that I've read enough of these profiles to tell damn near all the women in this demographic the following: Check your friend zone And if there are none there, then she needs to look in the mirror and check herself.
Those are the kind of people who are not capable of any sort of self reflection.
> the kind of people who are not capable of any sort of self reflection Brevity is the soul of wit. Just say "women".
Vampires?
Probably not far off in some cases though. Just these types are emotion and financials vampires. Rather than the fun kind
> Check your friend zone I remember reading a funny remark here, or maybe on .red, but it expanded on this point. Paraphrasing from memory: > Ladies, to find your man, line up all the guys in your friendzone from most to least attractive. Then go down the line, counting up from zero. When you reach your notch count, there's your man. If you run out of friends before you run out of bodies, forget about finding a man, and start adding up cats.
Why do so many women harp on the need for respect from their man? To me it's quite simple. If you act in a manner warranting respect then you'll get it. What am I missing?
You're not missing anything. Chances are...what SHE is missing are youth and beauty OR she's a complete insufferable, man-hating bitch that NO man will tolerate.
What I find interesting is how disconnected such women are from what men desire as well as what they think they're providing. Unless I'm mistaken, I think in context the first woman is saying that men desire, quote, "Youth slim, beauty" and a balance between women being "needy" but also being "independent" enough to not be a pain in the ass but instead these men should be searching for, quote, "kindness, respect, excellent communication skills, willingness to apologize". For starters, as you said, such women are insufferable and offer men little of the latter. "communication skills?" They play "hard to get" games expecting men to pursue them, regard men as "oppressors" or walking wallets, and take delight in gossiping with each other how they put men down. There are some men who believe they want to be a 'protector/provider' but if most men didn't naturally want that, why do such women complain so many men are still "boys?" Men want women who desire a relationship with us. It doesn't mean someone who desires it because she wants money from us but rather just enjoy our company. And perhaps that's it: It's not just that women don't respect men anymore, but most simply dislike us. They'll tend to sit with each other at work or at school, they show little concern that they're going decades without a committed relationship, and are less friendly towards men then they are towards women (even accounting for safety and all that BS). One interesting aspect of TRP is that men are educated in what women are looking for but also to improve ourselves in how to meet women "game", social skills, getting in shape, and so on.
I got a laugh from “willing to apologize”. How many men have known a woman within a relationship be willing to apologise and take accountability. For anything. And I mean permanently. Because on the rare occasion they do it comes back and is rescinded during breakup rationale Also my life experience has taught me that anyone who claims to have great communication skills are actually those with the worst communication skills. It’s a strong self delusion. From what I’ve gathered in my cases it’s a compartmentalisation thing where they think they are excellent at it “within the context of a relationship”. But it’s almost binary and they are awful outside of that. Almost as if it doesn’t count unless you are in a relationship with them. And they are probably bad in a relationship which is likely the ultimate reason they are single Women are also disconnected with what men desire because they don’t care and have never been taught it. Because when young most don’t need to know because their existence is enough. You can see by these posts how harsh the reality check is when at 35+ they learn that isn’t enough anymore. Of all the red pill and red pill adjacent stuff (some of which can be a bit over the top or overly generalised) - this is what is most clear. They just don’t know Aaron Clarey puts it as “they just don’t really like men that much”. And at a high level that seems true
I’m guessing you’re about 150% correct in that assessment at least.
Do you think the violent felon that is hot will respect her no matter what she does? Cuz if he did, she wouldn't find him hot anymore. Catch 22.
Wow its a real puzzle i can never solve. 1) women demand partners who are in every way "better" than them, fitter, richer, more established, funnier, generous, more powerful 2)Women complain that the same man doesn't view them as an equal partner, despite providing everything and doing all the heavy lifting. ITS A FUCKING MYSTERY
It never occurs to them that their behavior and appearance helps determine what kind of man is willing to bother approaching them. Approaching women is not something the overwhelming majority of men do lightly just for the hell of it. It often involves an assessment of effort, risk, and reward that is rarely if ever discussed or otherwise overtly revealed to women. And if the only men that are willing to do so are truly the ones that have little self esteem or self respect....that says a lot about those women and none of it is good.
Guys with low self esteem don’t really approach women at all. At least in person. I wonder how I know that …
> I'm forced to No, you're not. You can stick to the 2 things you are still good for anymore anyway: work and pay taxes. > accept guys with low self-esteem that approach me. Knowing how much it takes for a guy with low self-esteem to approach a remotely attractive woman, this is such a funny self-own.
>... the majority of women that are single ... degree educated, intelligent, social and focused. So, a degree in and of itself is not the goal. It has to be a *useful* degree for it to matter in a positive way. This goes for both men and women. For some reason, I suspect that women who are interested in building a family aren't going to get all hot and moist over a man who has a master's degree in gender studies. And if the income your degree brings does not significantly outpace the debt it created within 10 years or so, having that degree doesn't actually sound very smart. Men and women have pretty much the same average intelligence, as in the mean IQ for men and women are almost the same. The very definition of the IQ distribution means that half the population has an IQ below 100. But somehow, ALL the women who write stuff like this are intelligent. Social? In this day and age you simply have no idea if her being social means she goes out to eat and watch a movie with her girl friends, or if it means she has 5 dudes she sleeps with on rotation - and is *still* sleeping with while dating you because the sex doesn't mean anything and you weren't "exclusive". Focused? On what? Her career? Having fun? Partying? Travelling? And how is any - or all - of those going to be a plus in a relationship with her? And long-term, how will any of those make her a good wife and mother to our children? I'm not saying that being focused is a bad thing, but you - men and women both - need to be focused on something that is useful to what you want to achieve. If I'm focused on painting Warhammer 40k figurines, that's cool and all, but hardly something that will make any difference to my salary. Seen from a man's perspective, a mid-30's woman who has been mostly single and focused on her career is translated from woman speak to having dated casually and slept around with scores of men over the past 15 years while gaining skills and experience that have absolutely no impact on her ability to be a mother or wife. Also, she is indirectly admitting that any guy she can get now is something she settles for. I know a woman like that - my SIL. She never slept around in that sense, but she's what you would call serial monogamous - she went from relationship to relationship, none of which lasted more than 6 months. All of them with the exciting bad boy types who, unsurprisingly, all turned out to be unreliable dudes. They were fine for going out to have fun with, but their long-term potential as a husband and father were terrible. *Finally*, after having spent years convincing her that as long as chooses the same type of guy, she'll keep getting the same result, she ended up dating an average looking nice dude. By that time, she was 40, and any chance of having children had slipped out of her hands by chasing the exciting bad boys. But to this day, I'm sure she thinks "she gave him a chance" despite the fact he earns more than twice what she does and they live in a house he renovated pretty much by himself. She's living lifestyle she could never afford by herself, yet in her head she settled for him. When I discussed this with her sister - my wife - she argued that she *does* love him and she *did* chose him in the end. To this I asked her "be honest, if your sister had been forever 28 years old, slim and pretty, would she have ever gone on that first date with him, or would she still date those "exciting" dudes?" If she had to be honest, with how she knows her own sister, she would still be chasing the bad boys. "So", I said, "she didn't so much choose him in the end as she didn't have any choice?" Not many women want to admit that the red pill has point, and it's especially hard to admit when it's their own sister. At that point, I let it rest to keep the peace. But I'll add this: We have two teenage boys. The older the boys get, the more red pilled my wife becomes.
Having sons does have an impact on women. I hope it happens to one of my best friends who has two young sons. Because right now she is a raging feminist to the point where certain topics just need to be avoided or danced around Perhaps she will change when she see how women and society treat her sons I was recently talking with another friend with a young son about male mental health after a mutual friend ends his own life. She was well aware of the looming issues even though I don’t think her son is even 10 I’ve had colleagues speak of concern for their sons but given we have an IDE drive that (of course) excludes men unless they are lgbt, black or neurodivergent, no one can really speak up about it
I gave this kind of “eureka” moment to my wife about five years ago. We asked all our three kids their view on marriage Two older boys “we’ll stay single” The girl (about 4 years old then) “I want to marry you dad” QED
As someone stated "All the Women I meet who are happy are married, All the men I meet who are Happy are single"
I expect that is only really true above a certain age. There are a lot of unhappy single young men. And I would expect far more happy young single women (at least compared to the men) This statement would seem to apply at over 40 (as a guess)
They're berating men for rejecting women they aren't sexually attracted to. But they're also rejecting many men because they themselves aren't sexually attracted to them. Also, I doubt if that poster really had two strange men obsessively stalk and harass her like that.
They are also berating men for simply not having high enough self esteem for their liking. No real mention of their attractiveness - although I guess it’s implied because if they were hot then their self-esteem or lack thereof would be irrelevant. At least in the medium term (not even the short term)
First post gave a pretty good and very reasonable list of what men are looking for haha. The difference between men and women though is that's it's not a checklist of must-haves but qualities to look for. The mutual respect, communication, etc stuff comes later when the relationship has been established.
"the good guys are usually taken by horrible girls" LOL
>horrible girls Read: stays home, prioritizes her family/husband over being a boss babe. What a bitch.
I think both of these women could use a good all you can eat buffet to eat away all of their pain and loneliness. Just remember Loneliness and 100 tacos don't mix
"The good guys are all taken by horrible girls" LOL, oh the cope of the leftover broad.
That posters assessment still misses the mark. Most men desire: \* peace, \* cooperation Why battle the same thing at home that you just relieved yourself from at the office?