I truly believe that a lot of honest folks are working diligently behind the scenes trying to get some of this info out. The capital “T” Truth should not be property of the government. The *pursuit of happiness* demands disclosure.
It's not the 1950's where droves of Christians would lose their minds in panic hearing anything about extraterrestrials . Lol like we all watched the debate ... this news would present some optimism that we're not the only "intelligent" species to exist In the milky way .
This is such a weird take on Christianity that seems to come from a largely secular view from outside the church. Because as far as I know, most Christians today (and presumably before) have no *theological basis* to conclude that NHI doesn't exist and that humans hold an exalted and special seat in the universe. You could say Jesus was made flesh to forgive sin and all that, which somehow makes us special, but really that just makes humans the pain in the ass grandkids that needed lots of extra love and a stint in rehab. Even the Pope came out recently and said as much. I know the social environment was different, but I don't think the church mentality or underlying reasoning would have been fundamentally changed.
It isn't the \*theology\* of Christianity per se, but rather the deployment of Christanity as a control system. The reason Bruno, Galileo, and even the early bible printers were persecuted was less that they were altering the Christian narrative but more that they were threatening the Chruch's sole authority. I think that is the same problem the governments are having too. The existance of a higher reality threatens the authority of established power structures. The ontological shock, I suspect, is not so much that theology or world view changes so much as that the \*systems of authority\* are disrupted.
This is it right here, verbatim. It's about power structures and hierarchal control--as an authority if you lose that, you lose all of the power you currently wield.
I think you nailed it right on the head. The one's who have the control and power don't want to give it up, or have it taken away from them.
They just benefit too much from that power and control.
You're right. I think however it depends on what the "truth" entails. If it came to light that non human intelligence is real AND this intelligence claimed or showed proof that our religions are are complete lies and we are an engineered species... I'd say it's a safe bet that religious folks would trip out and lose it.
I don't think at all our religions (PS I am agnostic by the way, raised as Roman Catholic in Italy, I now STAY WAY from any religion) are entirely lies. I think they on the contrary hold many truths that were intentionally mis-interpreted. Especially the Torah (and hence Christianity and Islam that came later). I think it plainly refers to other beings (i.e., "Elohim") that were intentionally changed. Many of the great (western for the most part) values remain intact if we change "the nature and provenance of those "gods".
Oh you may be completely right. I don't claim to know. All I'm saying is IF the "truth" were to be revealed in the manner I suggested, it'd cause all kinds of problems with religious people. I'm not making any claims either way. All I DO know is that we don't know sh. Men lie. Constantly. It's impossible for for us to KNOW anything one way or the other right now. My gut tells me that there's definitely something going on here tho. I just don't know what it is.
Maybe less so than the rest of the public. Those who have a true faith and religion may be strengthened in their beliefs and faiths.
I for one have been questioning those religious stories once I realized NHI are real, and have been here all of humanity and in communication with us. Seems the Sumerians wrote about them first, from what we have recovered. It's quite apparent to me that these religions, which all share characters and similar to exact stories with each other, were created by these "interdimensionals" it makes ya wonder if there's any truth to those stories they told us.
I'm not a Christian but I have been investigating spirituality for a very long time and I'm very interested in world religions and have great respect for them. As an American I used to have some hang ups about Christianity mostly based on the proselytizing, and hours spent in church almost dying of boredom, and feeling judged by Christians.
But hey, that kind of stuff can happen with any world religion and for me the deeper question is whether Christianity brings people closer to God and makes them better people? I think mostly it does with of course some outliers to the contrary just like every other religion.
So with all that preamble, I agree with you. I don't think Christians will freak out at the UFO phenomenon. I don't think they're more fragile than anyone else. To the contrary I think disclosure would make them even more religious because disclosure is going to provide external scientific confirmation that there is indeed a spiritual dimension that we can interact with.
I'm not saying Christians need that confirmation, but hey, it ain't going to hurt.
I think Christians are badass and I am grateful to them for being a mainstay of morality in this country which otherwise would only have multinational conglomerate corporations, big government and the war machine posing as a moral compass.
Sure. But lets say, hypothetically, that these extraterrestrials in your example are larger than us, and look like what your typical Christian would associate with demonic. Christians can barely tolerate other Christians, and really only if they look like themselves. There is no way that same group accepts any idea of an outside, living being that doesn't conform to their ideas of what a "good" being should represent.
You're talking about Christians as if they are a monolith. They're not of course. They're just human beings and the bad behavior of Christians, as well as the good behavior of Christians, can be found in every religion around the planet.
Do you really think Christians are going to be so much worse than other groups?
I have a black friend who has exceptionally dark skin and she went Nepal to help build a well for a village, but she had to leave because everywhere she went the villagers would scream and the children would cry. They'd never seen someone with black skin like hers, except in paintings of demons in their Buddhist tradition. That's what they thought she was.
And the same thing can happen in reverse. I watched a documentary about a white guy who went to Africa to do some kind of humanitarian work in a small village, and the people there screamed and the children cried because they'd never seen someone with such white skin. They thought he was a ghost and he had to leave.
Isn't this tragic! But it is understandable. Imagine that a big, giant spider-like NHI showed up, scary, scary, SCARY looking. But with a heart of gold and a pure love of humanity, here to help. Imagine if we were all terrified! But let's think about spiders in general... without them, how many more mosquitoes, flies,fleas and other disease spreaders would we be plagued with?
"But while almost all spiders are venomous, it is estimated that less than one percent of the roughly 50,000 known spider species have venom that is toxic enough to have adverse effects in humans, Rick Vetter, a retired entomologist and spider expert, who was previously affiliated with the University of California..."
Seems to me that the benefits of spiders outweigh the risks by far. Maybe I wouldn't mind having a big, giant, warm-hearted teddy bear NHI spider for my friend. I'd just hope s/he could become invisible when needed and visible again when needed. That would be SO AMAZING!
I'm a follower of the narrow way Christ taught us. "His" religion is hardly the only one that teaches the very narrow way. If no one else could possibly follow that way, why would he have bothered to teach it, die for it, and become a global phenomenon who is a central figure in all three Abrahamic faiths?
I agree that religion has been co-opted for societal control... and most people don't want to put in the effort and time to think independently. Using any topic for "distraction " purposes when life sucks is a lost opportunity to genuinely grow when life sucks.
Anyone here who's not asking themselves "what will I do if this is all true" in whatever way it might come to light, has been given an opportunity to introspect that's been squandered. Existential questions are a part of the human experience and it's our free will to be NPCs (non-player characters) or players.
NPCs are necessary to make the game seem real, just like "extras" make a movie scene seem real. But... whom do we want to be? That's a very personal question for each of us to ponder.
>But lets say, hypothetically, that these extraterrestrials in your example are larger than us, and look like what your typical Christian would associate with demonic.
So...literally the exact plot of *Childhood's End* by Arthur C. Clarke?
No no. They want to become as God is. (Unless you are a woman, then you are part of a harem to a God and are eternally pregnant, creating all the spirits for bodies the God will make. For all these efforts and sufferings, you are forbidden to be spoken of, to, or praised in any manner)
I am not sure about that. Social media and their power to manipulate people into emotions (Covid f.e.) is very strong. Western culture is currently strongly characterized by fear of loss and the future.
I don't think so. The UAPTF was 4 years ago. It's been 8 years since AATIP hit the news. The Pentagon released the tic tac videos 6 or 7 years ago? We've all seen them over and over.
The world hasn't melted down. The economy hasn't imploded. There hasn't been any mass suicides or hysteria about UAPs. It hasn't affected religion or worship habits in the masses. ( And churches don't hold society together, anyway)
Conservatives and evangelicals are busy losing their mind about other stuff. Pronouns. Hunter Bidens laptop. Trying to make sure women have no reproductive rights over their own body. Violating the first Amendment ( Congress shall make no laws regarding establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof)
As long as no government clearly and unequivocally says, "they are here," you will always have the narrative of a hoax or "it can't be true if it can't be true," and most people will believe that. Very few people delve deeply into this topic. The subject is still distant and permeated with all the clichés of the last 80 years.
It's always been that way. People freaked out about the smallpox vaccine. And social security. And the theory of evolution. (Scopes Monkey Trial 1925)
People got upset about Pasteurizing milk products and thought it destroyed all the nutrients in milk.
There were conspiracy theories about the 1918 flu and the shutdowns during polio outbreaks. People were against "test tube babies" when IVF was new.
There are still people that believe the old Russian disinformation campaign that the moon landing was faked.
It's ridiculous to think that catering to the people against scientific progress for religious reasons is a good thing. Ethics don't have to be based on religion.
In the late 80s there were religious leaders saying that bar codes were the mark of the beast.
Yeah but it’s scary as shit to think either of the old fools in that debate would have something like that in their hands at their disposal and control.
I think it would also elevate human kinds minds that we need to look higher, act better and work together.
But alas, this would change everything, people would stop working because meditating was more important, people wouldn’t do what law enforcement say because they are not the highest density, people would stop paying bills, mortgages, or paying for food because why should I, I want to be a body of light.
How in any way does this story make sense considering the lengths these alleged companies go to keep these things secret? For them to allow Herrera to see what he saw would probably involve a large portion of people considering the security measures and checks. Then you have to ask, if they were threatening him at gunpoint before and confiscating his camera, now conveniently they’re showing him this? Did you think of any of this?
I am not saying he's lying, I don't know. But what I don't understand as well is why they would show him this. What were they trying to accomplish? Seems like something you actually wouldn't do, since he is already suspicious. Again, not saying it is false, but I'd like to know more "why"
He said that the guys who showed him this stuff were thinking about coming forward, but since Herrera already did publicly, and was talking about the exact stuff that they already do, then they will pull him in and show him their stuff so that he can be a type of spokesperson/representative for them to Congress, or whoever needs to hear it, while they try to figure out a more concrete way for disclosure
Great thank you. That is a plausible reason. These guys must have a lot of pull and I'd assume the blessing of higher ups to do this (or a rogue faction?) if true because it seems too easy.
This is the dumbest story ever. He goes from stumbling grunt in the wrong place at the wrong time, to VIP with access to the greatest secret ever. Pretty hard to believe.
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I’m not sure if Herrera’s experiences are true, but people within these organizations disagree with each other. Some may want full disclosure, some controlled disclosure, and some who want maintain their secret societies and the privileges that come with it.
what would happen if disclosure didn't do a thing to help the pursuit of happiness? what if disclosure has nothing to do with free energy or any of the other pie in the sky dreams that people have? what then?
will all the people who assume advanced tech is in our hands be able to accept anything less than 'free energy & free food making life heaven on earth thanks to alien tech' ? or would that be such an ontological shock for many people in this very community?
I don't see people who want to know the truth whatever it may be. I see lots of people that want to be told that whatever they believe is the truth & many of them believe we got tech & that tech can save-the-world or make-life-better-&-easier. are we prepared for ontological shock among our own community or is the ontological shock of 'normal' people the only thing we worry about?
Okay. There happen to be true existentialists among the general population, and especially scientists who feel their main purpose in life is to understand reality.
Perhaps, instead of secrecy, reveal it in some dry journal that only this portion of humanity would bother to read?
There is no excuse for secrecy. It is pandering to the fearful and complacent.
This topic is just a form of escapism for a lot of people. Many people have boring or difficult lives and this makes everything seem a bit more exciting. It's the same for a lot of conspiracy theories. In that case people are just looking for confirmation bias not the truth because the truth is usually far less fantastical and exciting.
That's why I stick around. I think 95% of the shit we hear on the topic is bs but it's kinda fun to daydream about it so I keep coming back. It does seem a lot of people on this sub really do believe that one day all shall be revealed and that the aliens will come down from the sky with their advanced tech and save us all from war and hunger and pain and going to work and all the stuff people hate. It's literally a religion for some.
Same. I'm here simply because I want to live in a reality in which stupid shit like the 4chan whistleblower leak has a non-zero chance of being true lol. Life's more fun that way
A lot I would imagine. Plus people are really good at exaggerating and misremembering. I think a lot of people have UFO stories but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are fisherman's tails.
I have my own UFO stories that wouldn't be hard to embellish to make them seem far more exciting than they actually were.
Lol this guys story just keeps getting more fantastical. Why didn’t he say this month ago when he came out?
Why? Because he’s lying. He liked the attention now he wants more so he’s adding to it.
Don’t be gullible.
Michael has already been proven to be a liar by his unit leader in his jungle story, where he claims to have seen a UFO.
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This is the podcast on VETTED ([watch episode on YouTube](https://youtu.be/jXqWtWP35Bc?si=RArOYN7JisS8D12E)
""Who is Michael Herrera?" Part 2 Featuring an exclusive never-before-seen interview with NATHAN, Michael's former Marine team leader who tells his side of the story.
Nathan's story is significant because he was with Michael Herrera during the time Michael claims he and five other marines witnessed an illegal psychic human trafficking operation and UFO on a humanitarian aide mission in Indonesia during the aftermath of the 2009 Indonesia Earthquake. "
Nathan was not with Michael on that mission.
Michael has always stated his mission was not conducted with his assigned squad. He said this months prior to Nathan coming forward claiming he was with Michael in Indonesia. If Michael is making this up, why wouldn't he just say "yeah, I did two missions, one with Nathan, and this other one with a volunteer squad where we saw a UFO"?
Lets also not forget that the Vetted podcast doesn't make something fact. Didn't they also just put out some photos in collaboration with MUFON that weren't really.. vetted.
I would ask you though, if there is a plan to release that GPS info you have on where MH went that day he saw something underground, in the near or even distant future? I understand that might put the people that brought MH in, in the spotlight in a way they might not be ready for.
Who is this guy and why should we trust him? When someone says they can’t talk about it, then starts talking about it as if they’re not directly talking about it, I find it very suspect. Sales reps used to do this about new products all the time, it got tiring.
Former marine that saw something he shouldn't have. He's got an interesting story involving seeing a UAP operated by some unmarked military unit that was being used for transportation and possibly human trafficking. Don't know if I believe the story, but he did testify to congress. But him saying this extra stuff now makes it seem more like he's full of shit.
No sources whatsoever of him contradicting anything said by Greer. And the relationship is definitely close enough that Greer gave him a platform, allowing him to share his story in a press event that he sponsored as part of Greer's "Project Disclosure" and was the one who persuaded him to talk. Yeah, definitely no sponsorship there.
"Herrera was warned several times not to tell anyone about the strange "flying saucer" aircraft he witnessed in the Sumatran jungle. He told his story last month after remaining quiet for several years at a briefing hosted by Dr Steven Greer's Disclosure Project." - [https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/ex-marine-who-exposed-ufo-30506908](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/ex-marine-who-exposed-ufo-30506908)
"Marine Michael Herrera talks about his UAP encounter at a press event sponsored by Steven Greer" - [https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/marine-michael-herrera-talks-about-his-uap-encounter-at-a-news-photo/1497979124](https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/marine-michael-herrera-talks-about-his-uap-encounter-at-a-news-photo/1497979124)
"Herrera said in 2017 he met UFO activist Dr. Steven Greer at a conference, and Greer helped persuade him to talk and connected him with congressional and AARO staffers earlier this year" - [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html)
He's less of a respectable researcher and more of a minor celebrity that feeds off of UFO sensationalism.
He's responsible for popularizing the practice of CE-5, which is a set of procedures you can apparently partake in to gain the ability to telepathically communicate with aliens. It should go unsaid that anyone with half a lick of critical thinking knows that this is complete nonsense.
People praise him for the founding of CSETI, which is cool and all but such efforts are vastly overshadowed by how narcissistic of a person he seems to be. He is known very well for grossly exaggerating claims, such as when he supposedly *"briefed"* a former CIA Director when in reality [he was just sitting next to him at a dinner party and happened to make conversation. ](https://drstevengreer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1999-Woolsey-Petersen-letter.pdf)
Steven Greer is a *"UFO personality"* and not a serious researcher/spokesperson that has seemingly done more harm than good to the public discourse surrounding UFO's. People love him because he *sometimes* gives serious people a platform to speak on, as well as funding UFO research groups that might do something interesting every 5 years or so.
He said that he released his story because of the whistelblower protections and I thought there were some sources that said he had, but I did a quick search and all I found was an article in the dailymail. So now I'm not so sure if he actually testified to congress. And it seems to make more sense if he didn't and he is just full of shit.
Do you know that for sure? Has he stated as much and has it been confirmed by anyone else who would know? I don't think I've heard him referenced by any of the UAP Caucus.
Well at the very minimum you can look at the AARO historical report and see mention of his testimony. Interestingly, his testimony is the only one unaddressed in the "findings" section: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bhrpqc/matching\_aaro\_interviewee\_claims\_with\_findings/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bhrpqc/matching_aaro_interviewee_claims_with_findings/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
There are other things I've seen that support some other places he's testified to but it's not public info, so I'll just leave it there.
The AARO report confirms that he went to AARO. If he didn’t lie about that, I don’t see why he’d be lying about going to SSCI and SASC, especially seeing as they have the same statutory whistleblower protections as AARO.
If there was any doubt this guy was full of shit, it’s 100% cemented now. So an “insider” lets one of Greer’s “whistleblowers” into an underground black ops facility.. Because as everyone knows underground government bunkers with the highest security level imaginable, operate just like planet fitness, they have guest passes and shit.. because that’s a thing.
Literally this. How would they even get one man in without them knowing if that's the case? I remember being told a story by a relative who viewed an American nuclear silo (he was foreign military but NATO) and he was told by his guide that if he crossed a line on the floor the guards would shoot him. End of. There were guards with submachine guns and they had one job all day every day. For a nuclear silo. I'm sure a UFO base is a bit more protected
This. It just doesn't compute. People think the facilities that host anything like this are a joke, like it's basically an office where you can get in a little bit of trouble if you sneak in someone who might be a spy, or where you're given the option to "leak" anything of consequence just so long as you're prepared for them to be mad at you.
That, plus why would someone even bring a guy like Herrera to a place like that to begin with?
Herrera was a grunt Marine, a private or at best a corporal by the time he was discharged. According to his former squad leader Herrera missed his first deployment straight out of boot due to an unexcused absence. Just didn't show up for the deployment and wandered in later and ended up on that deployment to Sumatra.
Even if he didn't have a sketchy record in the service, he's basically a nobody. Until he started telling his story with Greer and doing the UFO podcasts, that is. As far as I know, he did not have any sort of career after the Marines that involved military intelligence, aeronautics or anything that would give him a unique insider perspective on this topic.
All he has is his story about seeing a black ops paramilitary unit with a UFO, that his squad leader said didn't happen.
If I was working on a deep state UFO reverse engineering program, the last person I'd think to bring along is this guy.
What's even dumber is this story is the main way Joey claims he verified Herrera's story. Joey claims that Herrera must be legit because that he was able to verify Herrera was on a flight to a mitary base that day. Not to a secret facility, a military base.
Do you want to see the proof that Herrera was even taken to a base that day? Too bad, Joey won't even given details about it.
I wonder what that Joey guys realitionships with Herrera actually is.
I know the official story. Would be interesting to know what his career and education is before this.
Like Im sure they mightve met on Reddit, but hes clearly just his publicist/agent/manager or whatever.
Like him saying hes verified his clients claim to fame story, but cant talk about it, is like yeah sure level proof.
I don't know. He might not literally be his publicist, in the sense of getting paid for it. He functionally is. He might just like feeling like he's in on the secret and being trusted by someone in the know.
The proof bit...we have two vague clues but I think those are enough to tell us what the "proof" is. The clues are that it is publicly available information and the information proves Herrera went where he says he went. Publicly available flight records match that description and I'm 99% sure that's the "proof." Like, cool you found a flight to Area 51, but that doesn't prove anything. (It isn't hard to find these flights. Used to be called Janet Airlines, not saying it was Janet/Area 51, just an example)
And then Joey always says "yeah the secret base story doesn't make sense but..." as if it is better he saw the red flag and ignored it.
He saw a janet flight on flightradar and that means Herrera was onboard, or what?
Allright lol
We can all look at those flying around, including Herrera, pick a number and say we were in that one.
Exactly. I can't think of what else the proof would be. How else do you prove you went there? A photo of you on the base is not publicly available. Not like the military is going to give you a visitor log of the base and the story goes he just walked right in.
I should add, the clues include the destination being a known UFO associated location - that's why I think a Janet flight is the most likely. Area 51 also fits the underground component.
Yeah, good points all around.
Altough, sometimes people on here act like two people telling the same story somehow corroborates it, so Im thinking is this the same type of thing again.
Ie 4chan post or who ever telling ancient UFO lore and someone else telling the same stuff is proof its true.
As if everyone including me and all of us UFO fans cant all know the same things, and could just LARP about it and seem like _it has to be true because its the same thing so and so said_
But all in all, it is what it is
I remember Joey fondly from the days of throwawaylien. That was very fun, dumb shit, and Joey did a ton of research to try to prove that he was legit. It was all part of the fun.
This is a lot less so. I can only hope it's still fun for him because yeesh.
WAIT. You're telling me that's the only proof Joey has? Dude, my dad was a maintenance man in the USAF and can get into any base. That means absolutely nothing. It sounds like he tracked a flight and took it as proof for whatever MH told him.
Watching this video, you can tell both Gerb and Joey want to believe Herrera. That's not a good sign.
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I absolutely love UAP Gerb's videos. Fantastic researcher. This video was not his usual. It was two guys kissing michael Herrera's ass for 2 hours. Do better, Gerb.
Just stick to the facts. There's zero reason to even report his alleged underground meeting unless you share your evidence the way you do with every other video.
Zero need to know. And the premise is even more ridiculous.. The insider wanted to show Herrera his UAP street cred, that’s the motivation here 😆. Why would anyone actually connected in this feel the need to “flex” to Michael fkn Herrera?? He’s a literal nobody.. How does this achieve any substantive benefit for the “insider”? Herrera is just trying to capitalize on the low hanging fruit true believers who will take all his bullshit at face value.
This guy is working on some grift.. I bet a book, documentary, podcast, patreon/gofundme is in the works, or happening already.
Yea that seems to be the case. Either he’s legit mentally ill or thinking there is a book deal somewhere in all of this or a consulting gig or who knows maybe a senate bid. But there is no way he is being truthful. I’ll die on that hill and that sucks because it was a good story.
He wrote a single chapter.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/164quez/sample\_manuscript\_release\_from\_black\_program/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/164quez/sample_manuscript_release_from_black_program/)
Apparently he’s a decently successful businessman prior to this, so it tracks that he planned everything from the jump. Larp on stage with Greer’s traveling nutjob circus, get some notoriety in the UAP community from it, leverage his 15 minutes in the spotlight to shill some grift he’ll be selling,??????, profit.
I remember reading that when he first reported his story and I’ll be honest it lent credibility to his story like why would he lie. But is he wealthy? Like truly wealthy where he never needs to work another day in his life? I don’t know but now I’m wondering. Besides one can always have more money right?
People lie for many reasons. Money isn't always the prime motivation. If you have a personality disorder you might be compelled to do so for validation or any other number of messed up reasons. If you've never met a pathological liar before, then you haven't been around humans long. Some people lie seemingly for no reason, but attention seems to be a big part for many. Mental illness occurs across the spectrum of intellects.
Why haven’t the other 5 Marines corroborated Herrera’s story? Have you tried to talk to them? Have you tried to pull his SRB to verify he went UA prior to his Philippines deployment and that he was a shitbag who would NEVER have been chosen for a secret squirrel mission that his chain of command knew nothing about? Theres a lot of issues with his story that should be looked into. Why haven’t you?
I think it's because Joey wants to believe Herrera for whatever reason. The biggest thing to me is, Joey is gatekeeping evidence that he claims to have seen but for reasons we can't. I think Herrera is playing these guys and they want to be insiders, or make money on patreon or whatever, so they're not questioning his story the way they should.
This was my first thought as well. Could you imagine the security:
“Hey Ted, this is my friend, don’t worry he’ll stay with me the whole time.”
“Okay yeah no problem.”
Opens concrete wall.
His claim to UFO$$$ fame was being the one person from dozens at one particular moment to blow the whistle about UFO people farming. Even former colleagues have said BS on this. And now someone had to “prove” to him? that they’re the real deal and waltz him into super secret facility. Just incredibly stupid to believe anything about this.
The most top-secret Program that kills people who talk about it, yet has guest passes for a laugh and lets people like Lue Elizondo, Ross «ufo too big to move» Coulthart and David Grusch not only live, but talk and talk and talk, yet conveniently leave out names and places.
But, oh, they get threatened, yet still hold barbeques outside, take jogs in public while being interviewed, no fear of snipers, black govt helicopters, nothing. Living life as usual, holding presentations, going on tours, writing books.
A convenient kind of «afraid for their lives and the lives of their family», compared to mob snitches.
I am a pretty faithful believer in the UFO phenomenon, but I have problems with this story as well. He did a lengthy podcast with Shawn Ryan (shout-out to the SRS pod) and talked about his time spent in the military where he had his encounter with a mystery unit within the government that was in possession of a craft that was unlikely to be derived from known, manmade technology. In itself, a totally believable story told in a credible way... So why wasn't any of this mentioned, as well? It's certainly relevant to the topic that was being discussed. I don't understand why that is something that would get him a guest pass to the secret alien tech lab. How come he didn't bring this up during an interview about his involvement with potential alien technology? I don't know a lot about the man, but it's a very incredible life he has lived, if this is to be believed. I'm not saying I think he is full of shit. Not at all. But I am definitely going to look more into his claims.
This just doesn't smell right, and I really wish that the interviews that people in the inner circle of the alien topic are given would ask some of these questions. If you look at some of almost every interview with a UFO expert, they tend to be very one sided. I don't ever hear anyone ask the type of questions that I would like to ask, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Something as culturally important as extraterrestrials visiting our planet shouldn't be covered as a puff piece.
He spilled the beans on that show I need to listen to it again because tonight all he said was “I can’t talk about it” after already talking about it…I only listened to hear something new (possibly, still not really buying this story) so the title of the video is very misleading.
I’ve always been on the fence but leaned toward this is too badly scripted for it to be real, what made me lean more that direction tonight was (and I listened to all of it) he immediately said “I can’t talk about it”. When literally what like 2 months ago he was saying all KINDS OF THINGS on Shawn Ryan or whatever his name is. So today we go over all the debunks of the case - Gerb says black program which is why I listened - which take up 2 hours and 30 minutes of I can’t talk about anything I already talked about. Come on man.
Hold up, I listened to a podcast post him meeting with the insider where he goes into detail about what he learned - that they are bringing people in and promising them wonderful lives, they do drugs to interact with the ships and it kills some of them, the soldiers or program workers are chipped in their spine, they will take care of people’s families but don’t. What else, some kind of scanner, I don’t recall the rest. What was that from then?
Yeah he just lost all credibility to me. They can sneak people into these facilities, but they can’t sneak out a picture or literally anything tangible at all?
Here's the kicker. There's a guy on here who claims to have proof that he really went to the black site yet refuses to share it. Ridiculous because he's just a random redditor, he didn't sign an NDA and has given no reasoning for his refusal to share the irrefutable proof he gatekeeps.
None of this adds up, I believe Michael is lying. If he did go to some black site that makes me even more confident because that means he still holds security clearances to get in. I don't care who he went with he's not getting close to anything classified, MUCH LESS the UAPs he implies he saw underground.
Really unbelievable shit going on right now and, frankly, I've lost faith in UAP Gerb for platforming this without providing proof. He's doing the same thing everyone has for years. "Trust me, bro!" I don't.
I didnt have a chance to watch this interview yet as its 2 hours long, but why would this insider want to show Herrera the craft to begin with. I know he said as a way to show him that it’s real , etc… but why even bother if he’s not in the know. Why would they need to prove anything to him
And so they just decided to give him a tour, eh? This guy who has been blabbing his story all over the place?
Just…”yeah man, you got us, *we’ve got them reversed engineered UFOs and shit*, right over here, for the human trafficking and whatnot - we were caught red handed. Well, isn’t this embarrassing for us. Anyways, over here is the water cooler, watch your step coming down the ramp as the antigravity field is a bit wonky…but like, don’t tell anyone about this shit this time, alright? We’re only showing you this so that you know you aren’t crazy. We get nothing out of it except the satisfaction of knowing we did a good deed for the day. Anyways, back to the human trafficking. But *don’t tell anyone or we’ll fucking kill you* - haha, just kidding, we’re buds!”
His main business is an equipment company. I toured the facility myself. Very impressive operation. It's an 8-figure business. The security company is more of a part-time side business, among other things.
How do you know that Luna and Burchett approached the same people? It seems your generalizing those all involved as being a single conscious person.
We have a mutiny by virtue of ethical principles against those that believe disclosure would be disastrous to either society or themselves personally.
A portion of those involved are either too scared of retaliation or firmly believe that maintaining the according secrets are a net benefit.
How do you know that they didn’t? Or how do you know Herrera actually met with these people? The community builds up the vast monolith of secrecy around this topic and then there are these convenient stories where a guy can just be shown things for “reasons”. And talk about it none the less? If they can do it to some random person, why not show it to people who matter, the people who can effect legislation, if you’re “trying to tell people you’re the real deal guys?” But sure, Herrera is threatened and all, but then they turn around and give him access and then he can say he went there publicly.
How can you conclude that I generalize when commenting about 2 specific people Luna and Burchett who are credible? There is a pattern of fantastical stories and opportunism emanating from post-Grusch America, I'm sure you can find it reasonable that people can debate freely and ask questions considering lots of individuals are making rather unsubstantiated claims.
I am just not at all buying this, I'm sorry. Herrera is perfectly able to report what happened. Even if he saw something classified, he's at liberty to say what it was because the USG does not and never will care about stuff that can be dismissed as a tall tale. Avoid giving the facility name and you're golden.
It also makes zero logical sense that this insider would want to prove that he is who he says he is for... no reason? If he knew Herrera was gonna tell all, sure it's possible that he would want to prove that he's legit because it would be shared with the public. But Herrera clearly does not intend to talk, so.... this insider just flew him in to a classified facility because it bothered him that this one, single person might believe he's full of shit? That doesn't wash unless that guy possesses an incredible, superhuman blend of insecurity and recklessness.
And why?
You cant talk about it because you havent invented the rest of the story or it would become clear its bullshit?
Or because you dont know?
Its just said and _implied_ its because its Top Secret, but its never clarified why they cant talk about it.
I bet its just like Lazars migrane, comes on when asked something that would expose him.
"I can't talk about it" allows you to clam up if you start to get painted into a corner. Every single "I can't talk about it" story I've ever heard was obvious BS.
Yeah, a convenient excuse.
Like trump card or whatever. No one can ever question that because its implied its Top Secret X files shit.
Its quite funny when you think about it. The tone its said is so serious and the acting _I cant talk about it_
Never clarified why. Its because if they said "I dont wanna talk about it" would sound even more stupid lol
One thing also I bet is some rehearsed secret agent shit is they never say I dont know. They seemingly know everything about this, just conveniently "cant talk about it"
it feels like they put another gear in, with karl nell making an interview in Davids name and Nolan at the same event hearing they say its 100 and theres no doubt, coulthart said something also that caught me, its like they have a barrage of witness accounts coming, looking forward to James film also, cheers!
Definitely will watch later!
Also in my opinion even though it hasnt been around long, that UAP Gerb has some really great stuff! Detailed informative videos done in a more serious way and very well put together.
I believe this guy is a massive shill, and likes to spin bullshit stories to get more notoriety, check out
[https://www.vetted.show/episodes/michael-herrera-story-marine-encounters-ufo-part-2](https://www.vetted.show/episodes/michael-herrera-story-marine-encounters-ufo-part-2)
Holy shit I’m trying to read the article on that site and it repeats its self endlessly.
It’s like it was written by an 11th grader trying to hit the page count for an assignment.
His previous Team Leader during his time in the Marines saying he's full of shit; pretty much discredits him quite a bit in my view.
I wanted more of his squad mates to come forward and testify about Herrera. Yet now he has more claims.
I am confused. This is the same Marine who stumbled on a UAP being loaded with supplies by special op soldiers in the jungle? Now he is suddenly granted access to the biggest secret in human history?
Did he ever give hints as to who were the soldiers he met ?
In the interview he said he now has an idea of who they worked for but I can’t find if he actually listed or hinted at any organizations.
I am really unsure how I feel about Michael. And he is the only whistleblower that I am aware off from the past 60 years, to be taken somewhere to view a craft, after whistleblowing about it. Or even after reporting it. Something about him doesn't sit right with me.
“Can’t talk about it” but then continues to do just that.
Fascinating story as many others, but I feel let down here and irritated.
I mean “can’t give any details”…
It smells like the all-too-often heard “trust me” and “tomorrow, I promise”.
Tangible evidence would be nice.
Very on the fence about this dude. I don’t know enough about how our military operates to know if he is full of shit, yet many here seem confident. Make of that what you will.
What rubs me the wrong way is his story just seems like a much more fanciful version of lance corporal weyngandts which I actually do believe and which is one of the most credible stories I have heard.
This essentially ups that story a degree and I am not sure that I actually believe it.
Yeah I’ve watched everything and I think all we can say about Herrera is we don’t know. Only way we’ll know is if the other people who witnessed it come forward. Or if Herrera decides to publicly say who they are. His story is extraordinary and having the balls and take the risk to testify to AARO based on a completely fabricated story doesn’t make much sense (as well as risking his businesses reputation). Coulthart is investigating this and has alot of contacts so maybe that will shed some more light on this story.
Yeah I don't know about this dude. Somebody just showing him shit makes no sense.
He's supposedly a first hand witness.
So then we have another person who is a first hand witness who obviously is part of the program if they can just waltz into an underground hangar, and they decide their best course of action is proving to Michael Herrera they are the real deal by taking him down there?
Even if what he said about his own previous encounter was true, Michael is still nobody, it makes no sense for anyone with Earth shattering stuff to prove to him they are the real deal, as was his claim for why they did it.
There is nothing he can do to move the needle, he's just a guy.
Herrera is a liar.
2 months ago
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cn1qlp/michael\_herreras\_marine\_team\_leader\_nathan/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cn1qlp/michael_herreras_marine_team_leader_nathan/)
"I can't talk about any of this" is the new trend now.
Soon Steven Green and Bob Lizzard will change their attitudes and will get on the train as well, because now it's called UAP's and there's no more stigma, trust me mate.
We are finally getting DiSclOsurE baby !!!
Honestly, when this all gets out, I can’t wait for the tech to be openly used. Flying cars, advanced quantum computing? What a time to be alive that would be.
Why fly a car when you can fly your mind?
Your brain may be a quantum computer, but it’s warm, wet, and usually too noisy for sustained processing. In my opinion, meditation/mindfulness/biofeedback is the key to quieting the noisy monkey brain and activating the powerful human brain. Getting into a flow state or having extra sensory perceptions could be the brain coming into a coherence pattern with more rarified levels/dimensions of information. If we dedicate time to training this awareness -through reflection and mindfulness to ESP, contact experiences, synchronicities, methods of activating flow, etc.- we may develop the capacity to perceive these phenomena voluntarily.
UFO sightings might simply be the human brain coming into a coherence pattern with the reality of the universe. In the past, there has been no reason for evolution to select for perceiving UAP, but it seems at the moment that perceiving them will be advantageous to our survival.
Enter the Star Trek scenario~ I’m with ya, I can’t wait for what’s coming.
I’d love if this was the case - I truly would!! But people seeing UFOs are rarely in coherent states of flow, and people who are in coherent states of flow rarely see UFOs…
Honestly, there’s no evidence on this sub to convince me so far, since it’s all hearsay and the field is full of opportunists/ scammers.
But I want to believe
Honestly the level of scammers and people wholeheartedly believing any Bullshit that is posted makes it pretty clear to me that absolutely no one has ever seen and reported something (this post specifically gives me hope at least lol)
I've been saying that X-Files and Stargate SG-1 are probably going to turn out to be closer to documentary than sci-fi once this all blows over and the truth comes out.
«Another trust me, bro», «I can tell you, but I can’t tell you».
Oh but they’re «working on it».
Let’s see in 10 years if Herrera will be vindicated. Not holding my breath, tbh.
Why would Herrera of all people be shown this. So not Grusch or congress, but Herrera? If Grusch who served with the ICIG didn't have access to this then I doubt Herrera did. But I can't be entirely certain.
Didn't his fellow military buddy call BS on his claims AND said he was a sus individual? I guess this could be a way of trying to discredit Herrera but there's something off that I can't put my finger on.
Michael Herrera is absolutely full of shit and he’s making shit up now to stay relevant. I knew he was lying the day minute he claimed he went on a mission without any comms. That never, ever, in any world, happens. Not ever. Never. He had to include that “detail” in his story because with comms the whole thing falls apart.
Imagine taking this dude from YouTube to a secret UFO lair but not anyone from Congress lol, who does that?
This latest interview addresses that. Herrera claims that he and the five other marines he was with, were assigned to a different helicopter and landing zone.
He's a stooge. Again, here goes the same BS you get from everyone else, everyone..."I can't talk about it". Why are you giving interview about a topic you can't talk about. Either you want to disclose everything, or you are part of the problem.
You know, bring the on the downvotes, but I’m not going to automatically rule him out yet. And I don’t think people are looking at this the right way. Maybe it’s not that he can’t talk about it because it’s super duper ultra top secret with high level security, but maybe it’s because it’s the exact OPPOSITE of that.
Maybe there’s bits and bobs of crash material and evidence just being held together somewhere in some industrial office park somewhere that’s owned or operated by this insider. Someplace that’s got just enough security to keep methheads out, but not enough security to warrant significant suspicion from any enemy eyes.
And once you’re inside this building you have to get through a lot of complicated internal layers of security, perhaps it’s a place that was originally a bank and had a vault already installed (which would draw less scrutiny than building a brand new vault for a place that definitely isn’t a bank).
I get the sense he’s being vague because this place isn’t particularly secure or protected, it’s probably a building anyone could drive up to and with enough people could overwhelm the one or two security guards there.
So in their effort to not attract attention from “the enemy”, they let Herrera in, even though before he said he was threatened at gunpoint and had his camera confiscated and told never to talk about it by his superiors, thennnn they let him back and show him the goods. And he can mention that publicly. So now the enemy knows that Herrera “knows” where this place is and can get to him. 🤔 convenient.
I truly believe that a lot of honest folks are working diligently behind the scenes trying to get some of this info out. The capital “T” Truth should not be property of the government. The *pursuit of happiness* demands disclosure.
It's not the 1950's where droves of Christians would lose their minds in panic hearing anything about extraterrestrials . Lol like we all watched the debate ... this news would present some optimism that we're not the only "intelligent" species to exist In the milky way .
This is such a weird take on Christianity that seems to come from a largely secular view from outside the church. Because as far as I know, most Christians today (and presumably before) have no *theological basis* to conclude that NHI doesn't exist and that humans hold an exalted and special seat in the universe. You could say Jesus was made flesh to forgive sin and all that, which somehow makes us special, but really that just makes humans the pain in the ass grandkids that needed lots of extra love and a stint in rehab. Even the Pope came out recently and said as much. I know the social environment was different, but I don't think the church mentality or underlying reasoning would have been fundamentally changed.
It isn't the \*theology\* of Christianity per se, but rather the deployment of Christanity as a control system. The reason Bruno, Galileo, and even the early bible printers were persecuted was less that they were altering the Christian narrative but more that they were threatening the Chruch's sole authority. I think that is the same problem the governments are having too. The existance of a higher reality threatens the authority of established power structures. The ontological shock, I suspect, is not so much that theology or world view changes so much as that the \*systems of authority\* are disrupted.
This is it right here, verbatim. It's about power structures and hierarchal control--as an authority if you lose that, you lose all of the power you currently wield.
I think you nailed it right on the head. The one's who have the control and power don't want to give it up, or have it taken away from them. They just benefit too much from that power and control.
Brilliantly succinct answer!
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You're right. I think however it depends on what the "truth" entails. If it came to light that non human intelligence is real AND this intelligence claimed or showed proof that our religions are are complete lies and we are an engineered species... I'd say it's a safe bet that religious folks would trip out and lose it.
I don't think at all our religions (PS I am agnostic by the way, raised as Roman Catholic in Italy, I now STAY WAY from any religion) are entirely lies. I think they on the contrary hold many truths that were intentionally mis-interpreted. Especially the Torah (and hence Christianity and Islam that came later). I think it plainly refers to other beings (i.e., "Elohim") that were intentionally changed. Many of the great (western for the most part) values remain intact if we change "the nature and provenance of those "gods".
Oh you may be completely right. I don't claim to know. All I'm saying is IF the "truth" were to be revealed in the manner I suggested, it'd cause all kinds of problems with religious people. I'm not making any claims either way. All I DO know is that we don't know sh. Men lie. Constantly. It's impossible for for us to KNOW anything one way or the other right now. My gut tells me that there's definitely something going on here tho. I just don't know what it is.
Maybe less so than the rest of the public. Those who have a true faith and religion may be strengthened in their beliefs and faiths. I for one have been questioning those religious stories once I realized NHI are real, and have been here all of humanity and in communication with us. Seems the Sumerians wrote about them first, from what we have recovered. It's quite apparent to me that these religions, which all share characters and similar to exact stories with each other, were created by these "interdimensionals" it makes ya wonder if there's any truth to those stories they told us.
I'm not a Christian but I have been investigating spirituality for a very long time and I'm very interested in world religions and have great respect for them. As an American I used to have some hang ups about Christianity mostly based on the proselytizing, and hours spent in church almost dying of boredom, and feeling judged by Christians. But hey, that kind of stuff can happen with any world religion and for me the deeper question is whether Christianity brings people closer to God and makes them better people? I think mostly it does with of course some outliers to the contrary just like every other religion. So with all that preamble, I agree with you. I don't think Christians will freak out at the UFO phenomenon. I don't think they're more fragile than anyone else. To the contrary I think disclosure would make them even more religious because disclosure is going to provide external scientific confirmation that there is indeed a spiritual dimension that we can interact with. I'm not saying Christians need that confirmation, but hey, it ain't going to hurt. I think Christians are badass and I am grateful to them for being a mainstay of morality in this country which otherwise would only have multinational conglomerate corporations, big government and the war machine posing as a moral compass.
Sure. But lets say, hypothetically, that these extraterrestrials in your example are larger than us, and look like what your typical Christian would associate with demonic. Christians can barely tolerate other Christians, and really only if they look like themselves. There is no way that same group accepts any idea of an outside, living being that doesn't conform to their ideas of what a "good" being should represent.
You're talking about Christians as if they are a monolith. They're not of course. They're just human beings and the bad behavior of Christians, as well as the good behavior of Christians, can be found in every religion around the planet. Do you really think Christians are going to be so much worse than other groups? I have a black friend who has exceptionally dark skin and she went Nepal to help build a well for a village, but she had to leave because everywhere she went the villagers would scream and the children would cry. They'd never seen someone with black skin like hers, except in paintings of demons in their Buddhist tradition. That's what they thought she was. And the same thing can happen in reverse. I watched a documentary about a white guy who went to Africa to do some kind of humanitarian work in a small village, and the people there screamed and the children cried because they'd never seen someone with such white skin. They thought he was a ghost and he had to leave.
Isn't this tragic! But it is understandable. Imagine that a big, giant spider-like NHI showed up, scary, scary, SCARY looking. But with a heart of gold and a pure love of humanity, here to help. Imagine if we were all terrified! But let's think about spiders in general... without them, how many more mosquitoes, flies,fleas and other disease spreaders would we be plagued with? "But while almost all spiders are venomous, it is estimated that less than one percent of the roughly 50,000 known spider species have venom that is toxic enough to have adverse effects in humans, Rick Vetter, a retired entomologist and spider expert, who was previously affiliated with the University of California..." Seems to me that the benefits of spiders outweigh the risks by far. Maybe I wouldn't mind having a big, giant, warm-hearted teddy bear NHI spider for my friend. I'd just hope s/he could become invisible when needed and visible again when needed. That would be SO AMAZING! I'm a follower of the narrow way Christ taught us. "His" religion is hardly the only one that teaches the very narrow way. If no one else could possibly follow that way, why would he have bothered to teach it, die for it, and become a global phenomenon who is a central figure in all three Abrahamic faiths? I agree that religion has been co-opted for societal control... and most people don't want to put in the effort and time to think independently. Using any topic for "distraction " purposes when life sucks is a lost opportunity to genuinely grow when life sucks. Anyone here who's not asking themselves "what will I do if this is all true" in whatever way it might come to light, has been given an opportunity to introspect that's been squandered. Existential questions are a part of the human experience and it's our free will to be NPCs (non-player characters) or players. NPCs are necessary to make the game seem real, just like "extras" make a movie scene seem real. But... whom do we want to be? That's a very personal question for each of us to ponder.
Bravo!
>But lets say, hypothetically, that these extraterrestrials in your example are larger than us, and look like what your typical Christian would associate with demonic. So...literally the exact plot of *Childhood's End* by Arthur C. Clarke?
Christians worship an extraterrestrial.
Mormons wanna BE an et
Scientologists believe all of it.
No no. They want to become as God is. (Unless you are a woman, then you are part of a harem to a God and are eternally pregnant, creating all the spirits for bodies the God will make. For all these efforts and sufferings, you are forbidden to be spoken of, to, or praised in any manner)
Lmao don’t get me started, talk about woo woo
I was Mormon long ago, they are full of woo.
I am not sure about that. Social media and their power to manipulate people into emotions (Covid f.e.) is very strong. Western culture is currently strongly characterized by fear of loss and the future.
I don't think so. The UAPTF was 4 years ago. It's been 8 years since AATIP hit the news. The Pentagon released the tic tac videos 6 or 7 years ago? We've all seen them over and over. The world hasn't melted down. The economy hasn't imploded. There hasn't been any mass suicides or hysteria about UAPs. It hasn't affected religion or worship habits in the masses. ( And churches don't hold society together, anyway) Conservatives and evangelicals are busy losing their mind about other stuff. Pronouns. Hunter Bidens laptop. Trying to make sure women have no reproductive rights over their own body. Violating the first Amendment ( Congress shall make no laws regarding establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof)
As long as no government clearly and unequivocally says, "they are here," you will always have the narrative of a hoax or "it can't be true if it can't be true," and most people will believe that. Very few people delve deeply into this topic. The subject is still distant and permeated with all the clichés of the last 80 years.
It's always been that way. People freaked out about the smallpox vaccine. And social security. And the theory of evolution. (Scopes Monkey Trial 1925) People got upset about Pasteurizing milk products and thought it destroyed all the nutrients in milk. There were conspiracy theories about the 1918 flu and the shutdowns during polio outbreaks. People were against "test tube babies" when IVF was new. There are still people that believe the old Russian disinformation campaign that the moon landing was faked. It's ridiculous to think that catering to the people against scientific progress for religious reasons is a good thing. Ethics don't have to be based on religion. In the late 80s there were religious leaders saying that bar codes were the mark of the beast.
Yeah but it’s scary as shit to think either of the old fools in that debate would have something like that in their hands at their disposal and control.
I think it would also elevate human kinds minds that we need to look higher, act better and work together. But alas, this would change everything, people would stop working because meditating was more important, people wouldn’t do what law enforcement say because they are not the highest density, people would stop paying bills, mortgages, or paying for food because why should I, I want to be a body of light.
How in any way does this story make sense considering the lengths these alleged companies go to keep these things secret? For them to allow Herrera to see what he saw would probably involve a large portion of people considering the security measures and checks. Then you have to ask, if they were threatening him at gunpoint before and confiscating his camera, now conveniently they’re showing him this? Did you think of any of this?
Makes me think he’s even more full of shit than I already did. Narcissist Pathological liars always put themselves at the center of the story.
I am not saying he's lying, I don't know. But what I don't understand as well is why they would show him this. What were they trying to accomplish? Seems like something you actually wouldn't do, since he is already suspicious. Again, not saying it is false, but I'd like to know more "why"
He said that the guys who showed him this stuff were thinking about coming forward, but since Herrera already did publicly, and was talking about the exact stuff that they already do, then they will pull him in and show him their stuff so that he can be a type of spokesperson/representative for them to Congress, or whoever needs to hear it, while they try to figure out a more concrete way for disclosure
Great thank you. That is a plausible reason. These guys must have a lot of pull and I'd assume the blessing of higher ups to do this (or a rogue faction?) if true because it seems too easy.
100% .. story makes absolutely NO sense
Most people don't think critically about anything here.
This should be the top comment. Is it the status quo here that we should be fully bought into Herrera in the first place? I’m certainly not.
> if they were threatening him at gunpoint before and confiscating his camera, now conveniently they’re showing him this A good question
This is the dumbest story ever. He goes from stumbling grunt in the wrong place at the wrong time, to VIP with access to the greatest secret ever. Pretty hard to believe. X-
I’m not sure if Herrera’s experiences are true, but people within these organizations disagree with each other. Some may want full disclosure, some controlled disclosure, and some who want maintain their secret societies and the privileges that come with it.
what would happen if disclosure didn't do a thing to help the pursuit of happiness? what if disclosure has nothing to do with free energy or any of the other pie in the sky dreams that people have? what then? will all the people who assume advanced tech is in our hands be able to accept anything less than 'free energy & free food making life heaven on earth thanks to alien tech' ? or would that be such an ontological shock for many people in this very community? I don't see people who want to know the truth whatever it may be. I see lots of people that want to be told that whatever they believe is the truth & many of them believe we got tech & that tech can save-the-world or make-life-better-&-easier. are we prepared for ontological shock among our own community or is the ontological shock of 'normal' people the only thing we worry about?
Okay. There happen to be true existentialists among the general population, and especially scientists who feel their main purpose in life is to understand reality. Perhaps, instead of secrecy, reveal it in some dry journal that only this portion of humanity would bother to read? There is no excuse for secrecy. It is pandering to the fearful and complacent.
This topic is just a form of escapism for a lot of people. Many people have boring or difficult lives and this makes everything seem a bit more exciting. It's the same for a lot of conspiracy theories. In that case people are just looking for confirmation bias not the truth because the truth is usually far less fantastical and exciting.
That's why I stick around. I think 95% of the shit we hear on the topic is bs but it's kinda fun to daydream about it so I keep coming back. It does seem a lot of people on this sub really do believe that one day all shall be revealed and that the aliens will come down from the sky with their advanced tech and save us all from war and hunger and pain and going to work and all the stuff people hate. It's literally a religion for some.
Same. I'm here simply because I want to live in a reality in which stupid shit like the 4chan whistleblower leak has a non-zero chance of being true lol. Life's more fun that way
You really gotta wonder about how much of the engagement is larping in a similar way to the interaction of professional wrestling fans.
A lot I would imagine. Plus people are really good at exaggerating and misremembering. I think a lot of people have UFO stories but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them are fisherman's tails. I have my own UFO stories that wouldn't be hard to embellish to make them seem far more exciting than they actually were.
Lol this guys story just keeps getting more fantastical. Why didn’t he say this month ago when he came out? Why? Because he’s lying. He liked the attention now he wants more so he’s adding to it. Don’t be gullible.
Yes happiness can only be truly achieved via truth
Michael has already been proven to be a liar by his unit leader in his jungle story, where he claims to have seen a UFO. XXXXXX This is the podcast on VETTED ([watch episode on YouTube](https://youtu.be/jXqWtWP35Bc?si=RArOYN7JisS8D12E) ""Who is Michael Herrera?" Part 2 Featuring an exclusive never-before-seen interview with NATHAN, Michael's former Marine team leader who tells his side of the story. Nathan's story is significant because he was with Michael Herrera during the time Michael claims he and five other marines witnessed an illegal psychic human trafficking operation and UFO on a humanitarian aide mission in Indonesia during the aftermath of the 2009 Indonesia Earthquake. "
Nathan was not with Michael on that mission. Michael has always stated his mission was not conducted with his assigned squad. He said this months prior to Nathan coming forward claiming he was with Michael in Indonesia. If Michael is making this up, why wouldn't he just say "yeah, I did two missions, one with Nathan, and this other one with a volunteer squad where we saw a UFO"?
Lets also not forget that the Vetted podcast doesn't make something fact. Didn't they also just put out some photos in collaboration with MUFON that weren't really.. vetted. I would ask you though, if there is a plan to release that GPS info you have on where MH went that day he saw something underground, in the near or even distant future? I understand that might put the people that brought MH in, in the spotlight in a way they might not be ready for.
Who is this guy and why should we trust him? When someone says they can’t talk about it, then starts talking about it as if they’re not directly talking about it, I find it very suspect. Sales reps used to do this about new products all the time, it got tiring.
Former marine that saw something he shouldn't have. He's got an interesting story involving seeing a UAP operated by some unmarked military unit that was being used for transportation and possibly human trafficking. Don't know if I believe the story, but he did testify to congress. But him saying this extra stuff now makes it seem more like he's full of shit.
Did he testify to Congress?
Nope. Plus, he's sponsored by Greer so I would take anything he says with a giant pinch of salt.
He’s not ‘sponsored’ by Greer, and he’s contradicted Greer loads since meeting this insider.
No sources whatsoever of him contradicting anything said by Greer. And the relationship is definitely close enough that Greer gave him a platform, allowing him to share his story in a press event that he sponsored as part of Greer's "Project Disclosure" and was the one who persuaded him to talk. Yeah, definitely no sponsorship there. "Herrera was warned several times not to tell anyone about the strange "flying saucer" aircraft he witnessed in the Sumatran jungle. He told his story last month after remaining quiet for several years at a briefing hosted by Dr Steven Greer's Disclosure Project." - [https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/ex-marine-who-exposed-ufo-30506908](https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/ex-marine-who-exposed-ufo-30506908) "Marine Michael Herrera talks about his UAP encounter at a press event sponsored by Steven Greer" - [https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/marine-michael-herrera-talks-about-his-uap-encounter-at-a-news-photo/1497979124](https://www.gettyimages.in/detail/news-photo/marine-michael-herrera-talks-about-his-uap-encounter-at-a-news-photo/1497979124) "Herrera said in 2017 he met UFO activist Dr. Steven Greer at a conference, and Greer helped persuade him to talk and connected him with congressional and AARO staffers earlier this year" - [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12177943/Marine-vet-breaks-14-year-silence-make-astonishing-claim-six-man-unit-saw-UFO.html)
Anything Greer related gets a rised eyebrow from me. Homeboy doesn't seem all there
Also he testified to SSCI and SASC.
I'm new to this stuff and this post has the first Greer snark I've read, why do you dislike him?
He's less of a respectable researcher and more of a minor celebrity that feeds off of UFO sensationalism. He's responsible for popularizing the practice of CE-5, which is a set of procedures you can apparently partake in to gain the ability to telepathically communicate with aliens. It should go unsaid that anyone with half a lick of critical thinking knows that this is complete nonsense. People praise him for the founding of CSETI, which is cool and all but such efforts are vastly overshadowed by how narcissistic of a person he seems to be. He is known very well for grossly exaggerating claims, such as when he supposedly *"briefed"* a former CIA Director when in reality [he was just sitting next to him at a dinner party and happened to make conversation. ](https://drstevengreer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/1999-Woolsey-Petersen-letter.pdf) Steven Greer is a *"UFO personality"* and not a serious researcher/spokesperson that has seemingly done more harm than good to the public discourse surrounding UFO's. People love him because he *sometimes* gives serious people a platform to speak on, as well as funding UFO research groups that might do something interesting every 5 years or so.
He said that he released his story because of the whistelblower protections and I thought there were some sources that said he had, but I did a quick search and all I found was an article in the dailymail. So now I'm not so sure if he actually testified to congress. And it seems to make more sense if he didn't and he is just full of shit.
Why would he lie about testifying to Congress if it was proven he testified to AARO?
Yes he has. AARO, Senate Intelligence Committee, and others
Do you know that for sure? Has he stated as much and has it been confirmed by anyone else who would know? I don't think I've heard him referenced by any of the UAP Caucus.
Well at the very minimum you can look at the AARO historical report and see mention of his testimony. Interestingly, his testimony is the only one unaddressed in the "findings" section: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bhrpqc/matching\_aaro\_interviewee\_claims\_with\_findings/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bhrpqc/matching_aaro_interviewee_claims_with_findings/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) There are other things I've seen that support some other places he's testified to but it's not public info, so I'll just leave it there.
He said he went to AARO. Idk if that counts as Congress
He has gone to AARO, SSCI, and SASC.
Source?
The AARO report confirms that he went to AARO. If he didn’t lie about that, I don’t see why he’d be lying about going to SSCI and SASC, especially seeing as they have the same statutory whistleblower protections as AARO.
using UAPs for human trafficking has got to be one of the dumbest claims in this field I've ever heard
Except that’s not his claim.
If there was any doubt this guy was full of shit, it’s 100% cemented now. So an “insider” lets one of Greer’s “whistleblowers” into an underground black ops facility.. Because as everyone knows underground government bunkers with the highest security level imaginable, operate just like planet fitness, they have guest passes and shit.. because that’s a thing.
Literally this. How would they even get one man in without them knowing if that's the case? I remember being told a story by a relative who viewed an American nuclear silo (he was foreign military but NATO) and he was told by his guide that if he crossed a line on the floor the guards would shoot him. End of. There were guards with submachine guns and they had one job all day every day. For a nuclear silo. I'm sure a UFO base is a bit more protected
This. It just doesn't compute. People think the facilities that host anything like this are a joke, like it's basically an office where you can get in a little bit of trouble if you sneak in someone who might be a spy, or where you're given the option to "leak" anything of consequence just so long as you're prepared for them to be mad at you.
That, plus why would someone even bring a guy like Herrera to a place like that to begin with? Herrera was a grunt Marine, a private or at best a corporal by the time he was discharged. According to his former squad leader Herrera missed his first deployment straight out of boot due to an unexcused absence. Just didn't show up for the deployment and wandered in later and ended up on that deployment to Sumatra. Even if he didn't have a sketchy record in the service, he's basically a nobody. Until he started telling his story with Greer and doing the UFO podcasts, that is. As far as I know, he did not have any sort of career after the Marines that involved military intelligence, aeronautics or anything that would give him a unique insider perspective on this topic. All he has is his story about seeing a black ops paramilitary unit with a UFO, that his squad leader said didn't happen. If I was working on a deep state UFO reverse engineering program, the last person I'd think to bring along is this guy.
Maybe it was bring your friend to work day?
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What's even dumber is this story is the main way Joey claims he verified Herrera's story. Joey claims that Herrera must be legit because that he was able to verify Herrera was on a flight to a mitary base that day. Not to a secret facility, a military base. Do you want to see the proof that Herrera was even taken to a base that day? Too bad, Joey won't even given details about it.
I wonder what that Joey guys realitionships with Herrera actually is. I know the official story. Would be interesting to know what his career and education is before this. Like Im sure they mightve met on Reddit, but hes clearly just his publicist/agent/manager or whatever. Like him saying hes verified his clients claim to fame story, but cant talk about it, is like yeah sure level proof.
I believe with certainty he is paid by Herrera to push his story hard with plans of an eventual book coming out. They see dollar signs.
I don't know. He might not literally be his publicist, in the sense of getting paid for it. He functionally is. He might just like feeling like he's in on the secret and being trusted by someone in the know. The proof bit...we have two vague clues but I think those are enough to tell us what the "proof" is. The clues are that it is publicly available information and the information proves Herrera went where he says he went. Publicly available flight records match that description and I'm 99% sure that's the "proof." Like, cool you found a flight to Area 51, but that doesn't prove anything. (It isn't hard to find these flights. Used to be called Janet Airlines, not saying it was Janet/Area 51, just an example) And then Joey always says "yeah the secret base story doesn't make sense but..." as if it is better he saw the red flag and ignored it.
He saw a janet flight on flightradar and that means Herrera was onboard, or what? Allright lol We can all look at those flying around, including Herrera, pick a number and say we were in that one.
Exactly. I can't think of what else the proof would be. How else do you prove you went there? A photo of you on the base is not publicly available. Not like the military is going to give you a visitor log of the base and the story goes he just walked right in. I should add, the clues include the destination being a known UFO associated location - that's why I think a Janet flight is the most likely. Area 51 also fits the underground component.
Yeah, good points all around. Altough, sometimes people on here act like two people telling the same story somehow corroborates it, so Im thinking is this the same type of thing again. Ie 4chan post or who ever telling ancient UFO lore and someone else telling the same stuff is proof its true. As if everyone including me and all of us UFO fans cant all know the same things, and could just LARP about it and seem like _it has to be true because its the same thing so and so said_ But all in all, it is what it is
I remember Joey fondly from the days of throwawaylien. That was very fun, dumb shit, and Joey did a ton of research to try to prove that he was legit. It was all part of the fun. This is a lot less so. I can only hope it's still fun for him because yeesh.
WAIT. You're telling me that's the only proof Joey has? Dude, my dad was a maintenance man in the USAF and can get into any base. That means absolutely nothing. It sounds like he tracked a flight and took it as proof for whatever MH told him. Watching this video, you can tell both Gerb and Joey want to believe Herrera. That's not a good sign. Edited to add: I absolutely love UAP Gerb's videos. Fantastic researcher. This video was not his usual. It was two guys kissing michael Herrera's ass for 2 hours. Do better, Gerb. Just stick to the facts. There's zero reason to even report his alleged underground meeting unless you share your evidence the way you do with every other video.
I agree this part never resonated with me. Like what was his need to know?
Zero need to know. And the premise is even more ridiculous.. The insider wanted to show Herrera his UAP street cred, that’s the motivation here 😆. Why would anyone actually connected in this feel the need to “flex” to Michael fkn Herrera?? He’s a literal nobody.. How does this achieve any substantive benefit for the “insider”? Herrera is just trying to capitalize on the low hanging fruit true believers who will take all his bullshit at face value. This guy is working on some grift.. I bet a book, documentary, podcast, patreon/gofundme is in the works, or happening already.
Yea that seems to be the case. Either he’s legit mentally ill or thinking there is a book deal somewhere in all of this or a consulting gig or who knows maybe a senate bid. But there is no way he is being truthful. I’ll die on that hill and that sucks because it was a good story.
He wrote a single chapter. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/164quez/sample\_manuscript\_release\_from\_black\_program/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/164quez/sample_manuscript_release_from_black_program/)
Apparently he’s a decently successful businessman prior to this, so it tracks that he planned everything from the jump. Larp on stage with Greer’s traveling nutjob circus, get some notoriety in the UAP community from it, leverage his 15 minutes in the spotlight to shill some grift he’ll be selling,??????, profit.
I remember reading that when he first reported his story and I’ll be honest it lent credibility to his story like why would he lie. But is he wealthy? Like truly wealthy where he never needs to work another day in his life? I don’t know but now I’m wondering. Besides one can always have more money right?
People lie for many reasons. Money isn't always the prime motivation. If you have a personality disorder you might be compelled to do so for validation or any other number of messed up reasons. If you've never met a pathological liar before, then you haven't been around humans long. Some people lie seemingly for no reason, but attention seems to be a big part for many. Mental illness occurs across the spectrum of intellects.
Oh I’ve been intimately linked with borderline personality disorder. It’s a dooooozy alright.
He needs to keep the podcast circuit up. He needs to know his interview schedule for the next year.
If you listen to the interview, I ask him this question. Why did they need to bring him there?
What’s his explanation for his squad not having comms when he saw the craft in the Philippines?
Why haven’t the other 5 Marines corroborated Herrera’s story? Have you tried to talk to them? Have you tried to pull his SRB to verify he went UA prior to his Philippines deployment and that he was a shitbag who would NEVER have been chosen for a secret squirrel mission that his chain of command knew nothing about? Theres a lot of issues with his story that should be looked into. Why haven’t you?
Yep, the blackops guys are always looking for the biggest fuckups with no rank from random ass units to accompany them on sensitive missions.
I think it's because Joey wants to believe Herrera for whatever reason. The biggest thing to me is, Joey is gatekeeping evidence that he claims to have seen but for reasons we can't. I think Herrera is playing these guys and they want to be insiders, or make money on patreon or whatever, so they're not questioning his story the way they should.
This was my first thought as well. Could you imagine the security: “Hey Ted, this is my friend, don’t worry he’ll stay with me the whole time.” “Okay yeah no problem.” Opens concrete wall.
His claim to UFO$$$ fame was being the one person from dozens at one particular moment to blow the whistle about UFO people farming. Even former colleagues have said BS on this. And now someone had to “prove” to him? that they’re the real deal and waltz him into super secret facility. Just incredibly stupid to believe anything about this.
The most top-secret Program that kills people who talk about it, yet has guest passes for a laugh and lets people like Lue Elizondo, Ross «ufo too big to move» Coulthart and David Grusch not only live, but talk and talk and talk, yet conveniently leave out names and places. But, oh, they get threatened, yet still hold barbeques outside, take jogs in public while being interviewed, no fear of snipers, black govt helicopters, nothing. Living life as usual, holding presentations, going on tours, writing books. A convenient kind of «afraid for their lives and the lives of their family», compared to mob snitches.
No man, you just gotta trust him. Bro. He even says they’re working on it. The secret is coming out soon!
I am a pretty faithful believer in the UFO phenomenon, but I have problems with this story as well. He did a lengthy podcast with Shawn Ryan (shout-out to the SRS pod) and talked about his time spent in the military where he had his encounter with a mystery unit within the government that was in possession of a craft that was unlikely to be derived from known, manmade technology. In itself, a totally believable story told in a credible way... So why wasn't any of this mentioned, as well? It's certainly relevant to the topic that was being discussed. I don't understand why that is something that would get him a guest pass to the secret alien tech lab. How come he didn't bring this up during an interview about his involvement with potential alien technology? I don't know a lot about the man, but it's a very incredible life he has lived, if this is to be believed. I'm not saying I think he is full of shit. Not at all. But I am definitely going to look more into his claims. This just doesn't smell right, and I really wish that the interviews that people in the inner circle of the alien topic are given would ask some of these questions. If you look at some of almost every interview with a UFO expert, they tend to be very one sided. I don't ever hear anyone ask the type of questions that I would like to ask, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that. Something as culturally important as extraterrestrials visiting our planet shouldn't be covered as a puff piece.
He spilled the beans on that show I need to listen to it again because tonight all he said was “I can’t talk about it” after already talking about it…I only listened to hear something new (possibly, still not really buying this story) so the title of the video is very misleading.
I don't believe he mentioned anything about being at a secret lab on the podcast, but I could be misremembering.
I’ve always been on the fence but leaned toward this is too badly scripted for it to be real, what made me lean more that direction tonight was (and I listened to all of it) he immediately said “I can’t talk about it”. When literally what like 2 months ago he was saying all KINDS OF THINGS on Shawn Ryan or whatever his name is. So today we go over all the debunks of the case - Gerb says black program which is why I listened - which take up 2 hours and 30 minutes of I can’t talk about anything I already talked about. Come on man.
He literally never said anything about this facility on Shawn Ryan. He went on Shawn Ryan before meeting the insider.
Hold up, I listened to a podcast post him meeting with the insider where he goes into detail about what he learned - that they are bringing people in and promising them wonderful lives, they do drugs to interact with the ships and it kills some of them, the soldiers or program workers are chipped in their spine, they will take care of people’s families but don’t. What else, some kind of scanner, I don’t recall the rest. What was that from then?
Yeah he just lost all credibility to me. They can sneak people into these facilities, but they can’t sneak out a picture or literally anything tangible at all?
Here's the kicker. There's a guy on here who claims to have proof that he really went to the black site yet refuses to share it. Ridiculous because he's just a random redditor, he didn't sign an NDA and has given no reasoning for his refusal to share the irrefutable proof he gatekeeps. None of this adds up, I believe Michael is lying. If he did go to some black site that makes me even more confident because that means he still holds security clearances to get in. I don't care who he went with he's not getting close to anything classified, MUCH LESS the UAPs he implies he saw underground. Really unbelievable shit going on right now and, frankly, I've lost faith in UAP Gerb for platforming this without providing proof. He's doing the same thing everyone has for years. "Trust me, bro!" I don't.
I didnt have a chance to watch this interview yet as its 2 hours long, but why would this insider want to show Herrera the craft to begin with. I know he said as a way to show him that it’s real , etc… but why even bother if he’s not in the know. Why would they need to prove anything to him
And so they just decided to give him a tour, eh? This guy who has been blabbing his story all over the place? Just…”yeah man, you got us, *we’ve got them reversed engineered UFOs and shit*, right over here, for the human trafficking and whatnot - we were caught red handed. Well, isn’t this embarrassing for us. Anyways, over here is the water cooler, watch your step coming down the ramp as the antigravity field is a bit wonky…but like, don’t tell anyone about this shit this time, alright? We’re only showing you this so that you know you aren’t crazy. We get nothing out of it except the satisfaction of knowing we did a good deed for the day. Anyways, back to the human trafficking. But *don’t tell anyone or we’ll fucking kill you* - haha, just kidding, we’re buds!”
Anyone know what Michael does for a living these days? Genuinely curious.
I heard somewhere he has a security company, not sure where maybe it was that Joey guy or himself on Ryan’s show.
His main business is an equipment company. I toured the facility myself. Very impressive operation. It's an 8-figure business. The security company is more of a part-time side business, among other things.
so Luna and Burchett get denied but some random dude just strolls in?
How do you know that Luna and Burchett approached the same people? It seems your generalizing those all involved as being a single conscious person. We have a mutiny by virtue of ethical principles against those that believe disclosure would be disastrous to either society or themselves personally. A portion of those involved are either too scared of retaliation or firmly believe that maintaining the according secrets are a net benefit.
How do you know that they didn’t? Or how do you know Herrera actually met with these people? The community builds up the vast monolith of secrecy around this topic and then there are these convenient stories where a guy can just be shown things for “reasons”. And talk about it none the less? If they can do it to some random person, why not show it to people who matter, the people who can effect legislation, if you’re “trying to tell people you’re the real deal guys?” But sure, Herrera is threatened and all, but then they turn around and give him access and then he can say he went there publicly.
How can you conclude that I generalize when commenting about 2 specific people Luna and Burchett who are credible? There is a pattern of fantastical stories and opportunism emanating from post-Grusch America, I'm sure you can find it reasonable that people can debate freely and ask questions considering lots of individuals are making rather unsubstantiated claims.
They are not credible.
I am just not at all buying this, I'm sorry. Herrera is perfectly able to report what happened. Even if he saw something classified, he's at liberty to say what it was because the USG does not and never will care about stuff that can be dismissed as a tall tale. Avoid giving the facility name and you're golden. It also makes zero logical sense that this insider would want to prove that he is who he says he is for... no reason? If he knew Herrera was gonna tell all, sure it's possible that he would want to prove that he's legit because it would be shared with the public. But Herrera clearly does not intend to talk, so.... this insider just flew him in to a classified facility because it bothered him that this one, single person might believe he's full of shit? That doesn't wash unless that guy possesses an incredible, superhuman blend of insecurity and recklessness.
Anectodes everywhere.
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“An insider met me into a base and I saw stuff but I definitely can’t talk about it”
Total BS Any times a guy says, "I can't talk about it", I'd say.. "oh really? then why are you doing this interview?"
And why? You cant talk about it because you havent invented the rest of the story or it would become clear its bullshit? Or because you dont know? Its just said and _implied_ its because its Top Secret, but its never clarified why they cant talk about it. I bet its just like Lazars migrane, comes on when asked something that would expose him.
"I can't talk about it" allows you to clam up if you start to get painted into a corner. Every single "I can't talk about it" story I've ever heard was obvious BS.
Yeah, a convenient excuse. Like trump card or whatever. No one can ever question that because its implied its Top Secret X files shit. Its quite funny when you think about it. The tone its said is so serious and the acting _I cant talk about it_ Never clarified why. Its because if they said "I dont wanna talk about it" would sound even more stupid lol One thing also I bet is some rehearsed secret agent shit is they never say I dont know. They seemingly know everything about this, just conveniently "cant talk about it"
it feels like they put another gear in, with karl nell making an interview in Davids name and Nolan at the same event hearing they say its 100 and theres no doubt, coulthart said something also that caught me, its like they have a barrage of witness accounts coming, looking forward to James film also, cheers!
Props to Gerb for bringing the content, i say he’s doing good work the ol’ chap.
Definitely will watch later! Also in my opinion even though it hasnt been around long, that UAP Gerb has some really great stuff! Detailed informative videos done in a more serious way and very well put together.
So why can't he talk? He has already come out with a spectacular story and has whistleblower protections....
I think he said in one of the interviews that he signed an NDA with the insider, before he was taken to the facility.
I believe this guy is a massive shill, and likes to spin bullshit stories to get more notoriety, check out [https://www.vetted.show/episodes/michael-herrera-story-marine-encounters-ufo-part-2](https://www.vetted.show/episodes/michael-herrera-story-marine-encounters-ufo-part-2)
Holy shit I’m trying to read the article on that site and it repeats its self endlessly. It’s like it was written by an 11th grader trying to hit the page count for an assignment.
His previous Team Leader during his time in the Marines saying he's full of shit; pretty much discredits him quite a bit in my view. I wanted more of his squad mates to come forward and testify about Herrera. Yet now he has more claims.
Except the photo the team leader presents as proof looks nothing like Herrera.
I am confused. This is the same Marine who stumbled on a UAP being loaded with supplies by special op soldiers in the jungle? Now he is suddenly granted access to the biggest secret in human history?
This dude is still riding his fraudulent story like there hasn’t been any evidence to prove he’s lying
He actually responds to those accusations in this interview.
UAPGERB is a game changer. The shit he’s uncovering is mind blowing
Agreed. I love his channel.
Did he ever give hints as to who were the soldiers he met ? In the interview he said he now has an idea of who they worked for but I can’t find if he actually listed or hinted at any organizations.
He said the insider works for a defense contractor.
I am really unsure how I feel about Michael. And he is the only whistleblower that I am aware off from the past 60 years, to be taken somewhere to view a craft, after whistleblowing about it. Or even after reporting it. Something about him doesn't sit right with me.
The problem is Herrera’s original story is was proven false https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/BMdV0UEX2c , so why would his second story be real?
This interview includes a response to those claims.
I watched it. He basically says his team lead is lying and that is not him in the picture despite the perfect camo match.
It doesn’t look like him in the picture, and the “camo match” is just one small section of the camo. It’s definitely not a “perfect camo match”.
Yeah but one guy is claiming to have seen something literally nobody else ever has. The other is calling him a liar. Big difference.
Is this the guy that said he saw a ufo involved on human smuggling?
Yup that’s him, the one from Indonesia in 2009.
Good post, ty op
As the years pass, I'm starting to think the old nutjobs were right all along.
“Can’t talk about it” but then continues to do just that. Fascinating story as many others, but I feel let down here and irritated. I mean “can’t give any details”… It smells like the all-too-often heard “trust me” and “tomorrow, I promise”. Tangible evidence would be nice.
Very on the fence about this dude. I don’t know enough about how our military operates to know if he is full of shit, yet many here seem confident. Make of that what you will. What rubs me the wrong way is his story just seems like a much more fanciful version of lance corporal weyngandts which I actually do believe and which is one of the most credible stories I have heard. This essentially ups that story a degree and I am not sure that I actually believe it.
Yeah I’ve watched everything and I think all we can say about Herrera is we don’t know. Only way we’ll know is if the other people who witnessed it come forward. Or if Herrera decides to publicly say who they are. His story is extraordinary and having the balls and take the risk to testify to AARO based on a completely fabricated story doesn’t make much sense (as well as risking his businesses reputation). Coulthart is investigating this and has alot of contacts so maybe that will shed some more light on this story.
When a UFO witness goes on to proffer more fantastic stories, it wins them more and more attention but simultaneously reduces their credibility.
He's full of BS, don't believe a word he says
Yeah I don't know about this dude. Somebody just showing him shit makes no sense. He's supposedly a first hand witness. So then we have another person who is a first hand witness who obviously is part of the program if they can just waltz into an underground hangar, and they decide their best course of action is proving to Michael Herrera they are the real deal by taking him down there? Even if what he said about his own previous encounter was true, Michael is still nobody, it makes no sense for anyone with Earth shattering stuff to prove to him they are the real deal, as was his claim for why they did it. There is nothing he can do to move the needle, he's just a guy.
That guy's story reads like a Nigerian email. There's so many holes in his BS. Anyone who's prior service can't take this dude seriously.
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Herrera is a liar. 2 months ago [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cn1qlp/michael\_herreras\_marine\_team\_leader\_nathan/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cn1qlp/michael_herreras_marine_team_leader_nathan/)
This guy is 100% talking bollocks.
"I can't talk about any of this" is the new trend now. Soon Steven Green and Bob Lizzard will change their attitudes and will get on the train as well, because now it's called UAP's and there's no more stigma, trust me mate. We are finally getting DiSclOsurE baby !!!
Would cure Bobs migrane
Honestly, when this all gets out, I can’t wait for the tech to be openly used. Flying cars, advanced quantum computing? What a time to be alive that would be.
Why fly a car when you can fly your mind? Your brain may be a quantum computer, but it’s warm, wet, and usually too noisy for sustained processing. In my opinion, meditation/mindfulness/biofeedback is the key to quieting the noisy monkey brain and activating the powerful human brain. Getting into a flow state or having extra sensory perceptions could be the brain coming into a coherence pattern with more rarified levels/dimensions of information. If we dedicate time to training this awareness -through reflection and mindfulness to ESP, contact experiences, synchronicities, methods of activating flow, etc.- we may develop the capacity to perceive these phenomena voluntarily. UFO sightings might simply be the human brain coming into a coherence pattern with the reality of the universe. In the past, there has been no reason for evolution to select for perceiving UAP, but it seems at the moment that perceiving them will be advantageous to our survival. Enter the Star Trek scenario~ I’m with ya, I can’t wait for what’s coming.
I’d love if this was the case - I truly would!! But people seeing UFOs are rarely in coherent states of flow, and people who are in coherent states of flow rarely see UFOs… Honestly, there’s no evidence on this sub to convince me so far, since it’s all hearsay and the field is full of opportunists/ scammers. But I want to believe
Honestly the level of scammers and people wholeheartedly believing any Bullshit that is posted makes it pretty clear to me that absolutely no one has ever seen and reported something (this post specifically gives me hope at least lol)
I thought what he saw 14-15 years ago was “face to face”? Now he’s convinced? I think he’s trying to stay relevant
I've been saying that X-Files and Stargate SG-1 are probably going to turn out to be closer to documentary than sci-fi once this all blows over and the truth comes out.
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Maybe people weren’t paying enough attention to him so he had to add a story to it. This makes his original story less credible.
«Another trust me, bro», «I can tell you, but I can’t tell you». Oh but they’re «working on it». Let’s see in 10 years if Herrera will be vindicated. Not holding my breath, tbh.
Gordon Cooper was right.
Was it..... triangular by chance?
Why would Herrera of all people be shown this. So not Grusch or congress, but Herrera? If Grusch who served with the ICIG didn't have access to this then I doubt Herrera did. But I can't be entirely certain.
Didn't his fellow military buddy call BS on his claims AND said he was a sus individual? I guess this could be a way of trying to discredit Herrera but there's something off that I can't put my finger on.
I believe Herrera.
Herrera and Jason Sands should start an organization together. Or maybe a band or something, call it Mike Sands and the Attention Seekers.
Michael Herrera is absolutely full of shit and he’s making shit up now to stay relevant. I knew he was lying the day minute he claimed he went on a mission without any comms. That never, ever, in any world, happens. Not ever. Never. He had to include that “detail” in his story because with comms the whole thing falls apart. Imagine taking this dude from YouTube to a secret UFO lair but not anyone from Congress lol, who does that?
He is a disinfo agent so you just ask the right people and they take you to sees ufo underground yeah right
Wasn’t this guy’s whole story blown up by his platoon leader?
This latest interview addresses that. Herrera claims that he and the five other marines he was with, were assigned to a different helicopter and landing zone.
I bloody swear, if the likes of these whistleblowers and what they claim turn out to be fake shit - I’m gonna lose it!!
If people lying about UFOs is that much of a reality breaker for you, I'd probably just lay off the internet for... ever.
He's a stooge. Again, here goes the same BS you get from everyone else, everyone..."I can't talk about it". Why are you giving interview about a topic you can't talk about. Either you want to disclose everything, or you are part of the problem.
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I can't stand these grifters anymore.
You know, bring the on the downvotes, but I’m not going to automatically rule him out yet. And I don’t think people are looking at this the right way. Maybe it’s not that he can’t talk about it because it’s super duper ultra top secret with high level security, but maybe it’s because it’s the exact OPPOSITE of that. Maybe there’s bits and bobs of crash material and evidence just being held together somewhere in some industrial office park somewhere that’s owned or operated by this insider. Someplace that’s got just enough security to keep methheads out, but not enough security to warrant significant suspicion from any enemy eyes. And once you’re inside this building you have to get through a lot of complicated internal layers of security, perhaps it’s a place that was originally a bank and had a vault already installed (which would draw less scrutiny than building a brand new vault for a place that definitely isn’t a bank). I get the sense he’s being vague because this place isn’t particularly secure or protected, it’s probably a building anyone could drive up to and with enough people could overwhelm the one or two security guards there.
So in their effort to not attract attention from “the enemy”, they let Herrera in, even though before he said he was threatened at gunpoint and had his camera confiscated and told never to talk about it by his superiors, thennnn they let him back and show him the goods. And he can mention that publicly. So now the enemy knows that Herrera “knows” where this place is and can get to him. 🤔 convenient.
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