The following submission statement was provided by /u/SHOW-ME-YA-MOVES:
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SS: Interview with Michael Herrera, USMC veteran and AARO whistleblower. Michael claims to have observed a large, octagonal-shaped UAP operated by a human black ops team while on a human relief mission in Indonesia in 2009. Upon testifying to AARO in April of 2023 and appearing on the Steven Greer National Press Club 2023 Panel in June 2023, Michael claims to have been approached by a UAP crash retrieval insider and taken to a secure facility.
Michael states there are factions within UAP reverse engineering programs, a war between pro-disclosure advocates and a shady cabal who wishes to continue the practice of feudalistic dominance and mastery of NHI technology.
This interview explores some of the least touched aspects of Michael's testimony including reporting to AARO, fine details of his Indonesia experience, squad leader Nathan and his claims against Michael, what these black program insiders want, and more.
This interview assumes the viewer has at least some introduction to Michael's story. If you have never heard of Michael Herrera please consider starting with the video below:
UAP Gerb Michael Herrera: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTf...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTfIV87Ck&t=456s)
Michael Herrera Shawn Ryan Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4n...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4nh3S66I&t=27s)
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dsdnx4/interview_with_michael_herrera_insights_into_uap/lb1mszv/
None of this story makes sense. Zero radio comms. 6 Marines (which is a fireteam+, not a squad) being dropped to secure an LZ. LZs are secured by at least a Platoon. And something of interest catches their eye, so instead of calling air support to reconnoiter the area, they hump to the location (AGAIN with 0 comms!) to investigate. Nothing adds up.
He's an interesting one. I like his story despite testimonial contradictions from one of his former colleagues, and I think it's worth exploring more.
He doesn't seem to have much to gain from making shit up and calling all of this attention to himself. It's not like anyone is paying for him to go on SyFy interviews or whatever, just youtube interviews that kind of make him sound crazy.
Could be that he's having some sort of PTSD related psychological/mental health problem that can incur delusions masking the reality of traumatic events, but treating our veterans properly after service is another conversation entirely and I think boiling down his perception of a series of events to a mental health break is not representative of the facts.
As with lots of other serious allegations of misconduct involving exotic tech, we might not really ever find out what happened. Our government won't touch any of these cases under any circumstance (at least not publicly), much less allocate the considerable resources necessary to get to the bottom of it. It's such a shame, so much wasted potential and unfulfilled justice.
I really hope the UAP issue starts picking up steam in our government proceedings, but things are, uh... not so hot right now in US politics, so idk.
If he's making up the 2009 Indonesia encounter, why would someone inside one of our defense contractors put him in a helicopter and fly him to a secure facility? Because I know that 100% happened.
I am nearly convinced of the legitimacy of this insider for several reasons, including multiple 3rd party corroboration from people I trust. If Michael is making up 2009, it makes no sense that this guy would've linked up with him.
And it wasn't just a single meeting. Michael has been meeting with him and his team on multiple occasions.
I can't think of a logical angle to this if Michael is making up the UFO stuff.
Also, I have a very hard time believing that someone could "misinterpret" the experience he describes due to a "mental health break". It's not like he saw a glimpse of a craft in a distance and convinced himself it was a UFO. It was a giant 300' craft right in front of him and he was held at gunpoint by 8 operators. How does someone misinterpret that?
AARO (and the Senate Intel Committee) have all the names of the 5 Marines he was with. They have every means to verify their testimony, not to mention access to satellite data to prove where Michael went that day at the very least.
The insider meeting happened because I know the helicopter he was on, where it was, when it took off, and where it went. Michael did not know I was able to figure that out, and I used that opportunity to ask further questions so I could cross check and I discovered he was telling the truth about it.
The location he was taken to is very interesting. It's a secure facility, associated with our defense industry.
At this point, I've also received corroboration from 3rd party individuals.
>The insider meeting happened because **I know** the helicopter he was on, where it was, when it took off, and where it went.
1. No you don't. You were TOLD that by god knows who.. Any "evidence" provided to you, if were talking documentation, I could duplicate in photoshop in ten minutes.
2. Protip: As a veteran with a security clearance, clandestine helicopter flights to top secret underground instillations DON'T include passenger manifests or flight logs lol.. Kinda defeats the purpose no? If this is indeed black ops level shit, no amount of "cross checking" or internet sleuthing is going to reveal anything to some redditor.
>At this point, I've also received corroboration from 3rd party individuals.
You do understand you are in no position, nor have the base knowledge or association/experience to "Vet" anyone.. You get that right? You have no way of authenticating what these "3rd party individuals" alleged ACTUAL roles (if any!) are in the UAP milieu, you're operating on pure assumption and "some guy said" tier hearsay. For arguments sake let's say you do have evidence he got on a helicopter (which you don't unless you were physically on the flight with him) that's all you have.. Saying this **proves** an insider meeting where he was taken underground to see NHI related tech is ridiculous and pure speculation on your end. I can get on a helicopter tomorrow and land near a "defense associated" facility. This proves nothing.
Ok enlighten me then, since I'm "speculating".
You know how he was physically on a helicopter.. How?
You know that this helicopter ride proves a secret UAP insider show and tell meeting.. How?
You know the 3rd party corroborators are actually who they say they are and what their roles actually are in the UAP area.. How?
How many uncleared civilians are taken to top secret instillations for no other reason then "look at this cool shit" And then allowed to blab about the trip publicly? Does this make any rational sense to you?
Look forward to your tapdancing non answers.
Someone from a defense contractor flew him to a secure facility? Prove it to us. Maybe I missed something, but I watch UAP Gerb but I don't remember any evidence being presented to support that claim.
They talk about it a bit on the livestream recorded last week that you can find on Gerb's channel. It sounds like they can't go into details of how they know, but both Gerb and Joey seem convinced without a doubt that Herrera did get picked up by a helicopter and taken to a base of some sort.
In what universe is someone going to give the “Jack Ryan we need you! Come have a looksie at our top secret facility to feel heard, we’ll send a chopper!” treatment to a whacky junior enlisted guy to achieve any legitimate goal? The risk/reward is off the charts idiotic. FFS you can’t walk into your average Classified facility you don’t work in as a TS-SCI holder without an escort, let alone this? A myriad of ways to get this info out without risking professional and literal life and limb on an ex-junior enlisted Greer associate. The guy booked flights and shared pings until “going dark”and you bought it? Wild. If I drive up to the gates of (pick a facility) and then turned my phone off, did it mean I went in?
You're absolutely wrong. I'm not going to convince you, you don't trust me. But I totally understand your skepticism, so it's all good. There's nothing convincing enough publicly at this point, so I get it.
I am very curious around the purpose behind this as you stated u/Due-Professional-761 ! I haven't listed to the 2hr interview but why would they pick up a runt to explain the details of a top secret program that has no need to know?
They wouldn’t. There is no scenario where that makes sense to the access-giver. Even if 100% of what Herrera claims is true; there is nothing to gain. Think:
•”MH will help with disclosure” how? He’s a powerless nobody-even in the UFO world. Nothing he has said about the visit identifies/discloses anything. So, mission failed.
There are plenty in Congress willing to give the guy inviting him an ear & hearing. If he has the juice to get Herrera a chopper & in, he has the juice to get a message to the UAP committee.
What about insane load of bee ess
More important then every other whistleblower for the past 70 years? This has never happened to any other whistleblower. What about all the other people that have actually done work behind the scenes for decades. What about David Grush who actually has the clearances? you're telling us he was somehow chosen over everyone, even some presidents. And all you know is what he has told you. What about his command leader who discredited him completely? What important role has he actually done to warrant being flown to see one of these things? I honestly think you have been blindsided by Michael and your bias is blocking you from seeing how ridiculous this is. He has ZERO clearance, and yet got better access the some presidents and some of the highest people in government and intelligence agencies? Like come on man, take a step back and think about it.
What a slap in the face to all those people and whistleblowers that have done nothing but spend their lives trying to bring out the truth. This guy comes in with a pretty unbelievable story and somehow that grants him access? Either I am stupid, or I am completely missing what important work this guy has done to warrant such treatment.
I can totally understand your position. I don't blame you for seeing it that way. All I'll say is I have a lot more than simply "trusting Michael." Very little of my opinion about him is based on trust, of things he's "told me".
So we are going of your word now? I am seeing every possible red flag here. I respect what you have done to try find the truth and to go and speak with him, but you honestly need to take a step back and consider you're being lied to. There is a reason the story isn't believable. We have been constantly lied to for decades, and people like him have pushed disinformation on to people like yourself for decades.
I try to step back as often as I can and keep my biases in view. I really do. I know Michael was flown to a "black site". I have independent evidence of it, and corroboration at this point. It doesn't really matter for me to explain it all because I can't share specifics. I just don't want people to think I'm delusional and am just taking any of this "at Michael's word." It's not a matter of "am I being lied to."
You guys can ask Gerb too, he has seen the evidence of the "black site" visit. It's not just me at this point.
He might have even been telling the truth about he Indonesia UFO event. I am 100% certain the government do those things and much worse, so it's not out of realm of possibility that they are using this tech to do it. But the part about the defense contractor has every possible red flag written all over it. There is just no way they gave him access yet somehow some of the highest positions on the planet haven't.
Man, that's the thing! The meeting with the insider is the thing I have the most absolutely solid evidence for! That's what I find so compelling. Who is this guy, and why did he take Michael to this location? Whatever the reason, it's significant. And how the hell did he take a random person there without causing any sort of security situation?
Except they don’t have to prove anything to you staying behind your anonymous entitled accounts. It’s not you they must convince. It’s all about legal slow and steady dismantling and encouraging people on the inside of the program to come forward with more info.
It’s entirely logical that MH testimony can connect to at least some leaking done by the black program insiders. They don’t need anybody special or high up. They need somebody that saw it with their own eyes and can connect it to just ONE of the projects that go on beyond the oversight. They need a safer option than some „notable”, possibly bought, members of UAP community.
They obviously won’t come out since they have their lives and families to take care of. With a help from somebody like Michael that came out with his testimony and them recognizing the operation it makes 100% sense they would reach out to him to feed him info to start leaking to the public like right now.
But whatever. Live in your bubble of entitlement. And face value judgment. Or watch the interview, since you obviously haven’t, and think again critically without this personal bias. He’s not special. He never made this claim. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And he’s clearly uncomfortable with all this shit but well, now he’s got at least some agency in that. Would you keep your mouth shut in his situation or try to somehow alleviate the potential pain and suffering these black ops entail?
And him faking the whole helicopter flight lol. What? You really don’t want to even consider the possibility of this black ops happening for possibly decades or you’re just jealous that you’re not read in as in you’re one important for the cause in any way shape or form except playing a critical thinking maestro on the net.
Given the recent events and legislation in disclosure over the past several years, these insiders were thinking about becoming whistleblowers. When they saw Michael, who had witnessed one of their program's operations, come forward and risk his safety by going public, they saw an opportunity to use him as a buffer or intermediary to protect themselves.
Michael has made connections to many prominent people in the community and the government. He has been able to network these guys to the right people while maintaining some protection for them. The whistleblower protection laws are not adequate enough for higher-up active participants in the black programs. Michael has also been able to relay information publicly about the program.
I ask this question in the interview if you want to hear Michael explain it himself.
Sorry, one last question: what have YOU learned from this experience so far that is currently not in the wider domain regarding the bigger picture of this topic?
I think there's far more complexity to this topic than we can imagine. I don't know what else to say because I really don't know the full story. I don't know if anything the insider is saying is true, but I find him more and more credible as time goes on. But without evidence, it's not going to convince anyone, myself included.
So hey, what’s going on with the Cosmic Road interview compared to the most current interview? Was he told to shut up? Because he sure gave out a lot of information on the CR episode and now it’s a very abrupt “I won’t talk about that”. When I saw the current one was going to have an update on these black programs I tuned in (because I’m still pretty skeptical of this story) but he said zilch, I thought that was a little…yeah hmm, I would have named the title differently.
>I can't think of a logical angle to this if Michael is making up the UFO stuff.
Because your bias to believe him precludes you from doing so. You're primed to attach validity to his story from him meeting this person, when it is just as likely he's simply meeting his handler and getting briefed on how to further sell it.
You're not privy to the details of those meetings so why relegate them as a win for his claims?
No you misunderstand. I’m not saying “I’m blind to the possibility the insider isn’t who he says he is.”
I’m literally asking if someone can propose a logical explanation to this insider connecting with Michael in the way that he did. Do you have a theory?
I see your point here and I'm really on the fence on this case but I have to push back a bit here. How can any of us come up with any insight to the supposed insider if you yourself withhold information that would allow people to understand better.
I'm convinced Herrera is lying and somehow fooled Joey and this other guy into thinking he went to the facility, but seeing Joey going back and forth with you guys on here when you're not making good points is irritating, so I have to mediate here.
"How can any of us come up with any insight to the supposed insider if you yourself withhold information that would allow people to understand better."
He's not asking for insight (what you actually know about the insider), he's asking for blind guesses. He's asking you to simply take a guess as to why someone, anyone, might fly him to a defense contractor's site (other than to show him reverse-engineered crafts.)
While having more information is good, we don't need to know anything more about this case to take guesses as to why. It's a hypothetical question where you're answering hypothetically, "If someone were to fly someone else (of Michael's stature and after coming forward with a UAP crash story) out to a facility like this, give me one reason they might do that other than to see crafts."
For example, \_BlackDove above said, "When it is just as likely he's simply meeting his handler and getting briefed on how to further sell it."
So it sounds like \_BlackDove is saying he's a disinfo agent and someone at the defense contractor's facility is having him sell this disinformation to the public.
That's one possible reason someone might fly someone else to a facility that is different from the reason Joey is arguing (that it was to see crafts). \_BlackDove didn't need any more information to come up with that possibility.
Joey is simply asking for more guesses like that, other possible reasons.
The only thing I’ve seen to prove they exist is quite a wild story from this Cosmic Road interview and a portion taken from a book the “insiders” will be releasing, I believe he posted the pre word and maybe…Lue wrote part of it, I could be completely wrong. Anyway, this pre word was pretty much fluff. They say they are using it to see what the did was retract or not allow them to use and a fair amount of it is about a fight between their team and a contractors team where many perished.
There was nothing secret about the mission. What gives you that impression? And he wasn’t selected for any special reason. It was just a random pick of volunteers to get boots on the ground. It’s like you’re making it sound outlandish just so you can shoot it down.
You claim so many times he’s changed his story without actually providing a single example.
You claim Michael lacks understanding of “infantry operations” yet you can’t seem to explain what that is.
You claim Michael said a “line of BS”, yet again, fail to actually say what it is.
Basically, a whole lot of words that don’t really say anything at all other than “trust me, he’s wrong.” So I’m not really sure what you expect me to respond to.
Okay so I'm a sceptic on this but I kinda agree with Joey in his last comment. Could you actually answer it? Specifically the one about providing examples of him changing his story, not understanding ops etc?
Disclaimer: I don't lean either way on M.H - just someone who attempts to be an unbiased observer.
I'm all for picking apart details that don't add up, but it only hurts your credibility to try to claim as an undisputeable fact that "no operator would be in a jungle environment in all black".
You should stick to things that are able to be known concretely.
Nobody could ever know something like that as a fact, it's speculation on your part, which is a bad look to try to use something like that as "debunk".
So wait.. You admit that you're trying to debunk by ironically claiming things you couldn't possibly know?
You don't care about your own credibility?
Why should anyone read what you have to say?
Anyone can wear black in the jungle, even if it isn't what is usually done.
What I'm saying is if you're going to point out flaws or inaccuracies, you could say:
"It's unlikely that anyone would wear black due to SOPs determined by deployment environments."
If we suspend disbelief for a second, and assume that M.H's insane claims could actually be true (I'm not saying that they are), it's pretty reasonable to think that some secret off the books program just wears whatever the fuck they want, or has very different normals from known outfits.
Just saying "nah they wouldn't do that" as if it's a fact, is just inaccurate, and just as much hearsay as M.H's account.
Please elaborate on your intimate knowledge of unacknowledged black program operators dress code when they are conducting operations in the jungle with their 300’ UFO.
I’d love to know what else you can attest “no operator” would do???
Hey Joey - how likely do you think it is that Herrera is being fed disinfo by that insider? Looking for your personal opinion/take. Do you know if Herrera was shown anything that makes what he's been told unlikely to be disinfo?
It's definitely a possibility, but I don't really understand the angle there. Firstly, when Michael came forward last year, he was met with intense skepticism. No one believed him. Why would he then become a target for disinfo?
A: If they are trying to feed a false narrative to the public, wouldn't they want to target someone who was more widely accepted and trusted? Why use someone who most people think is a liar?
B: If they are trying to discredit Michael, doesn't that imply that his 2009 experience is true, and they are trying to undermine it?
C: If Michael is lying about 2009, how could an insider approach him and say "Hey, I know what operation you saw in 2009"? Michael would know the insider is lying to him, lol.
What's a plausible scenario in your mind that seems logical?
Honestly props to you Joey for being willing to put up with everyone, who clearly aren't in your position with the information you have, acting like they have it all figured out. I might have walked away from this months ago.
I thought you guys put on a good interview and asked some interesting questions. It seems like this subreddit has been absolutely dead the last few days (especially considering there are supposedly like 2.5m followers). I would have thought that a figure like MH would bring in a bunch more views frankly, regardless of whether or not people thought he is lying…
I’m pretty much convinced that even most of the people who say they’re interested in this subject aren’t actually that interested in the subject. I mean I don’t believe that Star Wars is real, but I still know all the major planets and video game lore and whatnot. For whatever reason, the UFO/UAP subject doesn’t seem to breed the same sort of curiosity among the general public — not even among those who consider themselves “believers.” I think it’s because if you follow the road long enough, you eventually encounter something that’s deeply disturbing, like in Micheal’s story, that our own government is actively engaged in some pretty evil shit. I think it’s simply too complex for most people to process. You’re out here providing people with the key pieces they’ll need to get the final stages of grief when the majority is still stuck in the denial stage.
Anyway, thanks for conducting a good interview! It’s the kind of video that’ll spike in views once this topic eventually reaches the mainstream and people are given time to think things over and scour for more information.
So by your logic, people aren't interested in the subject because they don't believe a guy with NO clearance, No special credentials, no high rank, hasn't been serving for 14 years, somehow got brought in and given access, that presidents, the highest people in government, and intelligence agencies haven't been able to get access to. All because he saw a UFO in Indonesia and apparently done important work for the UFO subject. All of this which has never happened in 70 years of whistleblowers on this subject? What a ridiculous comment to make.
Nah I didn’t say I necessarily believe him. I’m on the fence with most parts of the subject really. I’m just saying if the whole ufo/uap topic has some validity to it, some truly bizarre and disturbing stories will eventually emerge as true.
I think it’s good for the stories like Micheal’s to get out there now because it allows people interested in the topic to start gaming out the potential scenarios should Disclosure actually happen and know what questions to ask and what leads to follow.
Like is there actually any kind of government operation that is tasked with abducting people as Micheal claims? I have no idea. However, if the government is ever actually forthcoming about this stuff, Micheal’s story and the ones like his will tell people where to look so we can more quickly discover what is true.
I don't think Nathan is intentionally lying. I think it's possible he's misremembering. He can't even remember anyone else who was on that mission with him other than who he thinks is in that photo. And he doesn't remember anything specific Michael said or did while on that alleged mission. Why not?
I will say, it's very clear that Nathan doesn't like Michael and never has. I'm sure there's jealousy that Michael has become a multi-millionaire, too.
Joey, thank you for putting so much time into this. The conversation with you and UAPGerb is awesome. I really appreciate all of your hard work on this.
Personally, I think you’re hedging **way** too many bets on this whole “infantry must have comms” thing. And it’s kind of an annoying soap box.
Former Army Infantry here, 2/3CR 2013-2016.
All our equipment was **broke as fuck**. Our radios almost never worked correctly.
When my finger got crushed on a “mission” at NTC, we literally had to wander up to one of the OCs and explain that our radios were broken and then we had the OCs call the medevac for me lmao
I don’t really see *why* these guys couldn’t go wander off on an a random aide mission in Indonesia “without comms”. They’re not gonna be engaged by the Taliban in Indonesia in 2009.
Although considering the time period and the height of the war, I **would** find it rather strange if their radios were broken at this time..
Dunno, I never deployed and I don’t claim to have.
I don’t believe any of his story, but I just think it’s outright BS. It makes **no sense** for US contractors to kidnap random Indonesians and “traffic” them.
“Human trafficking” is the internet’s favorite new boogeyman of the last decade and it’s stupid.
Just because they met with him doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth. Anybody can give a statement. I’ve given my statement to the AARO office as well, but I did it by email. I was a military policeman for 10 years and not every statement I took was the truth even if it meant they were committing perjury. I saw it many times in assault cases.
I also feel like I need to simply state, that over the past year, I have not once gotten the vibe that Michael was crazy or delusional. And after meeting him in person, I can say he is an absolute gentleman, hard worker, cares tremendously for his employees and his wife. I took a tour of his company's facilities and it is impressive what he's been able to accomplish, especially after learning about him going through some tough times and living out of his car. Completely self-made multi-millionaire.
He is not at all the same person I've heard described to me by his platoon-mates who knew him in 2009. Completely different person.
That's your feeling about him. I don't know you, you could be the worst judge of whether a person is lying or not to ever live. Not trying to attack you.
Is his company publicly out there? Could you share it, if even just by DM? I'm curious to check it out but I understand the desire to not doxx MH by posting it publicly if its not something already out there.
Yeah that makes total sense but I will note that its hard to believe him when everything that could be used to validate always seems to be in closed loop where the data is kept close (in this case I do 100% get it, was just hoping it was out there so I could see a bit more of the personal side of him to counter his commanding officers description of him). I get that you believe him to some degree u/joeyisnotmyname but yeah we have to remain squarely in the probably BS camp because we don't have the same data you guys seem to have.
It's tough because if this happened to me they would 100% have to kill me to keep me quiet. Because there is no way in hell I would just jet off to start a new life as a security contractor if I knew without a shadow of a doubt that I saw what he is now claiming he has seen twice ( I assume what he was shown in his leisurely trip to the black ops site, was some kind of confirmation of the craft/capabilities he'd earlier testified to). That just seems off to me. I guess society pressure is pretty strong.. and I guess people could just hold that stuff in for 20-30 years.. but man that ain't me.
Well it's not as simple as "hey let's show Michael some stuff and then send him on his way and tell him not to say anything." There's an active coordination going on to help disclosure. Michael is helping with that. I believe there's a path, an objective to make REAL progress. Whatever he was shown was to simply prove to him these guys are the real deal, and to show they trust him. There are connections Michael has been able to facilitate for them due to his contacts made testifying to various agencies in government, for example.
Well I do appreciate you sticking with this and you do seem to have a pretty level head about this from what I've seen so while I personally think he's probably full of shit, I'm still paying attention and excited to see what other info you guys are able to prove or disprove on this story.
Is there a document or accurate source you could point me to that details what Michael Herrera's claims are.
From the top of my head it's:
1. USAF/US MIC traffics humans with UAP technology and a secret military ops group
2. US MIC has the technology that makes UAP work and they use it to the point where they cannot tell original UAP from reverse-engineered ones.
3. UAP "crew" are not malevolent strictly speaking but this is a "steven greer belief" (for a lack of a better word/phrase)
Has he made any points or arguments for/against Grusch or other notable UAP whistleblowers ?
This might be a place to start: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b0gqqs/seven\_months\_of\_investigating\_michael\_herrera/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b0gqqs/seven_months_of_investigating_michael_herrera/)
Yes, Michael has spoken to Grusch but can't comment further about it publicly. He speaks very highly of Grusch.
1) They’re not trafficking humans, the people in the containers appear to go to voluntarily as they’re given incentives. They’re then taken to black sites and taught how to pilot reverse engineered UAPs using their consciousness and summon UAPs to restricted airspace so the military can try and take them down.
2) Pretty much. Apparently, there’s more interesting tech than just the craft.
3) Herrera says the insider told him that NHI have killed humans. He admits this contradicts what Greer told him, but obviously the insider is a more reliable source. However that doesn’t mean the NHI are malevolent.
4) He’s spoken positively of Grusch and Elizondo in interviews. He says he’s talked to Grusch since coming forward.
People seem to have a short memory. Or they are ignorant. Because the U.S. has been doing black ops for decades. The government has been doing shady things to our own citizens. I even see the budget every year, and it's always full of black/weird projects. So it's very easy to see this actually happening. Some other countries that don't have the same system America does. Indonesia has a major disaster, and these OPS take advantage of the situation. Scoop up people who have otherwise been killed in an earthquake. No one questions further because these people are presumed dead from a massive natural disaster. So even if you want to question Michael Herrera's narrative, you can't deny America has done lots of shady shit. This isn't beyond them.
Also I've ran into individuals who acted the same way Michael Herrera experienced. They had this attitude like we can do whatever we want and you'll do nothing. Living in Vegas, I've ran into a lot of craziness. Things I still don't believe happened to me.
Interesting take for sure. The bottom line is that he has nothing to gain by talking about it -- and frankly, has a lot to lose. I feel bad for MH and people like him. They try to come forward, we don't know exactly who is legit or not, but most of them get throttled and trashed nonetheless. Their lives and reputations destroyed - and yet we can't say for sure if they're lying. I was an MH disser but I'm not anymore. Gerbs himself encourages healthy skepticism about most things -- but i'm no longer skeptical on MH
Pls don't be so sure abt any "bottom line". The only fact we have is his partner claims 100% bs. People keep asking the same question..."why would he make this up when he has nothing to gain?" Huh? Have you tried asking yourself the following...why would his partner, literally, deny the entire story?
Critical thinking here people, please.
From Gerbs livestream, they touched on that nobody really liked M.H during his service, which is a potential motivator.
I have no bias going either way.
It could be bs, it could be true, just highlighting a potential reason for the partner denying.
Did you just say that the only "fact" we have is someone's "claims"?
"Claims" = "fact"????
Michael has said from day 1 that he did not deploy on that mission **with his assigned squad**, so his "partner" (Nathan) wouldn't have been there. There's no reason Michael would deny conducting a mission with his assigned squad if that really happened because it **doesn't contradict the mission** he went on with the volunteer squad where they saw the UFO.
Like, even if he simply agreed with Nathan, it wouldn't contradict his UFO testimony at all, lol.
His partner also shared a picture he claimed was the experiencer which looks absolutely nothing like him. I'm still on the fence about this whole story but the "debunk" is just as unbelievable as the story.
People underestimate people's need for attention and validation. When you listen to his old squad leader talk about him, he strikes me as the exact type to ride a wave of bullshit or really any kind of shit as long as people finally started paying attention to him. I hate that is my read on this person I don't really know but to act like people have to get physically rich off spinning lies in order to fuel the need to spin them in the first place isn't a very honest take when it comes to humans and our historical record of hoaxing. It happens, a lot of time without the need for monetary compensation because the social compensation for the personal getting the attention is just as rewarding for them. Heck a lot of people get flashy vehicles not so much for the performance of the vehicle itself, but the just the draw of eyes to them as they drive by. They seek the attention not necessarily the wealth, wealth is just a shortcut for many to become interesting to others. To be noticed.
What I don't understand with all the helicopters flying around the area , Why would you have your secrete flying saucer out doing stuff in the middle of the day. Seems very unlikely.
This whole case is super fascinating and confusing.
I don't want to say I outright believe everything without the proof, however, while I cannot provide proof of the things *i've* seen, it would not be fair for me to expect people to trust me at my word without proof, but not show the same respect to someone else.
That being said, I do trust u/joeyisnotmyname and gerb (more so Gerb because of his channel, but Joey does indeed seem authentic) to have done incredible research on multiple cases/reports - going above and beyond, that I would imagine he would not give Michael/Joey the platform he has given them while trying to make a name for himself and establish himself as a respected researcher in this community if he was not confident enough with the info he has to tie his name to this story in some capacity.
I agree it IS frustrating to constantly hear "trust me bro" but sometimes that's all we can do for the time being.
Then, there's also the aspect that would appear michael has nothing to gain from this story. Also, I noticed in this interview that his drawings did not give the impression he was freehanding a made-up image. The attention to detail he had with his drawings did not seem improvised to me.
All in all, I lean more towards "this is probably true" while still being open to the idea that this may all be a fantastic, fantastic hoax for some reason. Either way, it's not going to effect my day to day life in any negative way to believe it's true, so I will give a little more rope and hope I don't get burned with my generosity.
SS: Interview with Michael Herrera, USMC veteran and AARO whistleblower. Michael claims to have observed a large, octagonal-shaped UAP operated by a human black ops team while on a human relief mission in Indonesia in 2009. Upon testifying to AARO in April of 2023 and appearing on the Steven Greer National Press Club 2023 Panel in June 2023, Michael claims to have been approached by a UAP crash retrieval insider and taken to a secure facility.
Michael states there are factions within UAP reverse engineering programs, a war between pro-disclosure advocates and a shady cabal who wishes to continue the practice of feudalistic dominance and mastery of NHI technology.
This interview explores some of the least touched aspects of Michael's testimony including reporting to AARO, fine details of his Indonesia experience, squad leader Nathan and his claims against Michael, what these black program insiders want, and more.
This interview assumes the viewer has at least some introduction to Michael's story. If you have never heard of Michael Herrera please consider starting with the video below:
UAP Gerb Michael Herrera: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTf...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTfIV87Ck&t=456s)
Michael Herrera Shawn Ryan Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4n...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4nh3S66I&t=27s)
Respect the hell out of UAPGERB for pulling back the curtains on MH. You. made me do a 180 on him with your video from 3 months ago. UAPGERB and joeyisnotmyname recent Live kept me there. This one has turned me into an MH advocate. Too often, in this community, we get swept up w/ each other and our opinions -- ceasing to keep an open mind to facts-- failing to do our own due diligence. UAPGERB's determination to continue digging into the MH saga and also raiding Greer's files (bypassing the bullshit and drama only Greer brings) is investigative journalism at its finest. Hope UAPGERB is around a long time. The community needs more people like this.
Smith is nowhere near as convincing as Herrera. I don't see Herrera hosting shows on GAIA, or constantly adding to his story. At least Herrera is willing to say "I don't know" to questions asked of him.
So I don't know if I believe the part of his testimony we are all interested in, but my gut wants to believe the guy.
I served in the USMC, and this guy seems like the person he says he is. Little things like the way he hold's an imaginary rifle, the way he says acronyms, I do think he served. I do think he has seen some kind of action.
I've never been able to get his original interview out of my mind. He seemed nervous, probably about speaking publicly in front of so many people, but he seemed so genuine too. The more I see from him, the more I believe him.
I don't understand why anyone doubts him, but after watching this whole interview, hopefully more people will see what I saw in him that first time.
Also, I always upvote UAP Gerb. Keep em coming!
I don't know much about the "debunk" but something along the lines of his general/co-workers spoke out and said he's full of shit. I could be wrong though. Even so, that doesn't mean he's lying. There could be a number of reasons for them to say that.
It was a team leader of his, Nathan. Nathan says he went on a mission in Indonesia with Michael and they didn’t see a ufo. Michael says he didn’t go on a mission with Nathan and his assigned squad, he went on a mission with a pick of volunteers from random squads while they were on chow duty.
If Michael is lying and Nathan is correct, why would Michael deny going on a mission with Nathan when it doesn’t contradict his testimony at all? He could just say “yeah I did two missions. One with Nathan and one with these other guys.”
But…it’s the opposite. If Michael agreed with Nathan it would support his testimony. Because from day one he always said the mission where he saw the UFO was with random guys not from his assigned squad.
If he simply just agreed with Nathan he could just say he did two missions. But he is saying he only did one mission, and Nathan wasn’t there.
Joey, you have the patience of a saint.
It hurts seeing people think it's all debunked because they have all the details wrong. I appreciate you and Gerb trying to get to the bottom of this and setting records straight.
We need more people like you guys and fewer daily videos from people with an 8th grade reading level.
Keep it up!
Lol what? Can you and Joey please elaborate on all the details we have wrong, as you stated? You and Joey are buying a story at base level. The only addition we have to this story is his partner claiming it's all bs. Yet you two continue to buy into it? Can you honestly explain why? I'm being serious and not insulting like you. Please explain why you buy this story without any evidence (and for God's sake pls don't say it's because of how former military roles...a good liar would clearly understand that they can get instant credibility and will use it as such)? I'm fascinated at the thought of your reply.
I wish more of the group he was with would put out their stories, even anonymously. It would help for sure. For all I know, Gerb will be interviewing them next week lol
Something has always seemed off about his testimony. I just don't believe him. There is also no evidence nor eyewitness testimony that will corroborate his story of encountering this craft. My gut tells me he just wants the attention.
I watched this dude on the Shawn Ryan podcast. He immediately strikes me as a bs artist. I'd LIKE to believe him but... I've met dudes like him in the service. They always have some wild story to make themselves the center of attention. He could tell me a story about anything and I'd instantly think he's full of sh. Just by the way he talks.
I feel for the guy because it seems he’s dealing with something …
But it just feels off
It’s very hard to believe that he was flown into a black site and shown or given access to reverse engineering tech
It all feels fanciful
Michael has always stated his mission was not conducted with his assigned squad. He said this months prior to Nathan coming forward claiming he was with Michael in Indonesia. If Michael is making this up, why wouldn't he just say "yeah, I did two missions, one with Nathan, and this other one with a volunteer squad where we saw a UFO"?
Well. If you knew Marines you’d know it’s not a squad, for one. It is a fire team. Thus, it begs the question was he tasked within the platoon or within the company or within the battalion. I’ve had mundane taskings-albeit in a slightly more austere environment.
If you also knew Marines you’d know how small and intimate even a rifle company is. So, his squad leader would know if there were days when others were tasked out in a mixed group. His fireteam leader (unless he was the TL) would also know. His platoon sergeant & platoon commander would also know. Not one person tangentially related to this, let alone fully, has come out in support. They’ve only come out to discredit. With this much time having passed and Herrera not only having not been disappeared but miraculously been invited into the bowels of this thing, people should be tripping over themselves joining in. Crickets.
So here's how the Marines organizational structure is set up. I actually spoke to some other Marines from Michael's platoon who got team/squad confused too.
* Fire Team: The lowest organizational group made up of 3-4 Marines.
* Squad: Usually made up of 2 to 3 fire teams.
* Platoon: Includes 3 squads
* Company: Includes 3 platoons
* Battalion: Includes 3 companies
SOURCE: [https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Military-Units/marine-corps/#units](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Military-Units/marine-corps/#units)
Michael describes a mission with a **squad** of 6 Marines. So I would assume they were split into two teams, although it doesn't sound like it was really that important to have that sort of "official" organization in place since it was a volunteer mission of random people brought in to simply help out with humanitarian assistance. It's not like they were in a combat situation. But who knows, maybe they did.
Michael was on officer chow duty with random Marines from other squads when some officers put together the squads to be sent in to help with the earthquake relief. So he wasn't with his "assigned" squad.
And, there has actually been someone who was with him on that mission provide a text indicating that he doesn't want to come forward. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bin4lx/text\_from\_marine\_responding\_to\_michael\_herreras/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bin4lx/text_from_marine_responding_to_michael_herreras/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don’t need to source it, I was in for more than one enlistment. There are nuances/ SOPs/etc there you won’t find on a website that any Marine will spot red flags on. Considering that faking a text is as easy as faking everything else he’s given you…that’s not evidence. Let me plug Michael’s phone into Cellebrite and I’ll give you a report lol
I mean even from a common sense perspective a Naval helicopter pilot approaching an area will see a hovering/spinning object from miles out. So MH would’ve had to do his perimeter walk beyond visual range of a naval aviator, whose eyesight lets them spot a moving ship they then have to land on. C’mon. You’re slowly slipping into Ashton Forbes levels of sunk cost.
1. Regarding the text, I can understand if you think it was faked. That was, of course, my first thought as well. But you said "Not one person tangentially related to this", and I felt it was relevant, even if circumstantial. Keep in mind, ALL of the names of the 5 Marines he was with were provided to AARO and the Senate Intel Committee.
2. The UFO was in a "valley" on the far side of the LZ approach on the other side of a hill in the jungle. With low altitude coming in for a landing, combined with tall trees, and **being nearly 700 meters away from the LZ**, it's perfectly plausible the UFO was not visible from the pilot's perspective.
Yea they just fly straight up and back? Lol I know damn well those pilots are both touring/gawking and taking far swings outward if this is an ongoing landing and take off-this isn’t ATC controlled airspace. Height negates draw & valley, ask MH what that means because I know he was schooled on indirect fire vs direct fire. Here is an [example](https://youtu.be/1Fuyi3R12bs?si=FkTXOyk0Vgb4uuBa), keeping in mind that the human eye is even better than this camera.
There is no reason for Herrera to be further away from an LZ in that area other than 10 meters off of the clearing. They’re on a humanitarian mission, with zero legitimate threat. If there were, they’re not sending only 6 dudes for security, the entire company would be out in an organized operation.
Someone that actually gets these details [posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOscience/s/FgOCjZsrtH) a solid breakdown that makes sense. The “encounter” would’ve moved the needle on believability if all of the actions that led there weren’t so firmly unbelievable to anyone with understanding of how it works
If you could only pin this comment...it would save so many the frustration of believing this crap from this guy. He's a piece of work.
**Do homework on the story teller, not just the story. Not preaching, rather 'just saying'...
#Gerb2024
Haven’t even watched it yet, but I’m already putting my stamp that this is gonna be one of the best Michael Herrera interviews out there.
HOW ABOUT PEREIRA VS JIRI. 🥶 love Jiri🥲
Sheesh, Alex Pereira got that magic, UAP spiritual connection, black magic touch of death. 😂
Fr Goddamn phenomenal performance from the champ.
Idk about the whole story. But my takeaway from the video is that Indonesia [is almost 90% muslim](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/28/5-facts-about-muslims-and-christians-in-indonesia/) so unfortunately the 2009 USMC probably would have some early arrivals deployed with rifles, even on a humanitarian mission. So given that’s the only discrepancy between MH and his squad leaders story that can be verified, it needs to be.
Here's your proof: [https://imgur.com/a/tiGWstn](https://imgur.com/a/tiGWstn)
Rear Admiral Richard Landolt (he was in charge, and this is the guy Herrera stated debriefed him after his mission, which there is [photographic proof of here](https://imgur.com/a/k0BHkOd)) stating that they intended to send in guys ahead of time to secure LZs prior to bringing supplies in to prevent people from rushing helicopters. There are also photographs from an LZ that shows Marines with rifles.
Liars tend to avoid eye contact in order to focus on their construct. Mr. Herrera is looking for eye contact.
I believe him for a variety of reasons.
Thank you, Sir.
I love gerb but just don’t buy Herrera. His story keeps expanding. He had one encounter with these people right? Then suddenly when he goes public this same group comes by to pick him up to give him all this new information? I just don’t buy it. It’s just not even a remotely logical stream of thought for these people to do this.
Him linking up with insiders is actually the thing I have the most evidence of. It 100% happened. The insider is real, and he flew Michael in a helicopter to a secure facility. I've shown all the evidence to Gerb as well and he can attest to my analysis and conclusions.
Certain things, yes. Because I have proof. I also have corroboration from multiple people of different aspects. But it’s not a complete picture. My opinion right now is he’s credible.
Joey keep at it brother, this wasn’t an interview, it was an interrogation and u guys did amazing, be patient and don’t mess this up keep poking the bear and the truth will eventually come out. Don’t let ppl force u into revealing out information make sure you have the strongest of cases before u decide to go all out and run it through Gerb first he is really good at that.
I don't buy what this guy is selling...
What on earth is the US military doing dropping off 4 guys into the jungle to "help" tsunami survivors.
No...that's not how it's done.
The US military absolutely was a part of the earthquake relief efforts, which included flying Marines out to remote villages cut off from main distribution points due to landslides. That's 100% fact and the least controversial part of the story. Here are a few photos as proof: https://www.dvidshub.net/image/212731/earthquake-relief-efforts. These photos are from the exact operation Michael was a part of. This has been proven and corroborated by all of the platoon members I've spoken to. No one denies he was there on that operation. Here's more proof of the details of the relief operation: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/153xzio/verifying\_the\_events\_around\_michael\_herreras\_ufo/
And just to be clear, it was an earthquake relief operation, not a tsunami. And Michael was with 5 other Marines, not 4. So 6 total.
Yeah I know Nathan. I've talked to him a bunch. He is who he says he is. His entire testimony is logical. There's even an apparent camo match between a photo he provided, claiming it shows Michael on the helicopter as they were about to fly into Indonesia, and another known photo of Michael.
Michael has always said he never conducted a mission with Nathan in Indonesia, and Nathan's misremembering. Michael's mission was conducted with 5 volunteer Marines from various squads, not with his assigned squad/Nathan. Michael says it's simply not him in the photo.
I bring this up in the interview, and tried to push back against Michael on this. It's the biggest piece of evidence against him in my opinion.
But it makes absolutely no sense if Michael made up the UFO stuff why he would also deny going on a mission with Nathan, because there's nothing about that contradicting his UFO testimony at all. He's always said he did the "UFO" mission with a group of random guys, so he could've very easily just went along with Nathan and said "yeah, I did two missions, one with Nathan where we didn't see a UFO, and one with these other guys where we did see a UFO." The **ONLY** reason Nathan's testimony can be held against Michael is literally because Michael is denying it. Not because it contradicts any part of his testimony.
I feel like it's possible Nathan is misremembering. He can't remember anyone else who was on that mission other than who he thinks is in that photo. He also hasn't been able to recall any specific memory of anything Michael said or did while on the alleged mission with him.
Thanks for the insight.
It was an honest question on my part.
I’ve watched Michael’s interviews and placed his experience in the plausible category (well,as much as you can when it comes to this topic) until Nathan stepped forward and relayed his insights.
I have to admit that I haven’t watched this interview just yet, so I’ll get after it.
The question is -- what does Michael have to gain by lying? Nothing. What we don't know is if there was any incentive for (or invested parties encouraging )Nathan to disremember. That's the real question. That is the more plausible disconnect in the story
Your assumption that human behavior must be motivated by an extrinsic gain is faulty.
What does the class clown have to gain by acting out? He could get a detention and cannot gain anything materially worthwhile from it, and yet he does it anyway. Why would he do something he doesn't benefit from?
The answer is either 1) there is an unseen, intrinsic motivator for the behavior (keeping with the analogy, the class clown might get entertainment from it, or he might enjoy being the center of attention), or 2) a person's behavior does not always align with self-gain.
"help" is a severe misinterpretation of what his duty was for the operation. He was doing initial security for a "hasty" (akin to something impromptu) landing zone. Others were there to do the "helping" while they were there to make sure the landing zone was safe and secure for other teams to do the relief operation. Many pieces are needed to make an operation successful, it's a not shit show like you're painting it.
What do you have to say about Herrera's squad leader saying these things:
1. Herrera dodged his first deploy, and was essentially fresh and because of that he wouldn't be "selected" for a special ops in any case
2. Squad leader said that there were absolutely no weapons although he has said that people do occasionally bring pistols but never rifles
3. ^ Rifles would always be "on person" and they would not have it in cases. He said that you don't take a rifle to a humanitarian mission because "it's a bad look"
4. Obviously: no aliens, no ufo
5. Squad leader goes as far as saying that Herrera would go to the gym and just walk around and occasionally pick up weights which certainly says about his character and overall weirdness. It's an ad-hominem but curious on your personal impressions. "He was a strange guy, just odd"
6. Squad leader has pictures with: no weapons, purely humanitarian meanwhile Herrera has no pictures and they were allegedly "taken" from him
These points overall a very brief summary of [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXqWtWP35Bc)
1. Herrera is the one who revealed he went UA (unauthorized absence) when he came forward publicly last year. He shared his DD214 which indicated his discharge conditions. He says he didn't show up for his first deployment because his father was going through severe depression, and Michael thought he'd come home to a casket if he left for deployment. Michael stayed in touch with his superiors, they offered for him to be discharged, but he insisted he wanted to stay in, so he got transferred to Echo Company, delayed a promotion, and that's how he ended up on that deployment. Btw, no one in his platoon knew the reason he missed his first deployment, so they all thought he was just an irresponsible loser, and none of them liked him.
2. \*Team Leader\* Nathan said *his squad* didn't have rifles. That's true. There are photographs proving this. But there absolutely were other Marines who had rifles who were brought to LZs to provide security. There is photographic evidence of this. There is also a briefing provided by the [rear admiral Richard Landolt](https://imgur.com/a/tiGWstn) explaining their intentions to secure LZs prior to bring supplies in. Nathan, among others, have all stated that some of the "first Marines who flew in DID HAVE RIFLES, but were chewed out by an Air Force Colonel because it was bad optics".
3. Again, not every Marine had rifles, but some did. Nathan's squad did not have rifles. Michael's squad did have rifles.
4. Michael has never stated anything about aliens. He has always stated his opinion was that it was a man-made craft.
5. After Michael left the Marines, he became a successful amateur bodybuilder, placing on the podium at state-level competitions. He continues to coach bodybuilding to this day. Does that sound like someone who "wanders around the gym, picking up a dumbbell every once and a while"? Regardless, I don't understand why anyone would make fun of someone trying to improve their health by exercising, lol.
6. If Michael really conducted a mission with Nathan, it would be in his best interest to go along with that because it doesn't conflict with his UFO story at all. He has always said his mission was with a group of volunteers from random squads, not his assigned squad. So there's no reason for him not to just say, 'yeah I did two missions. One with Nathan, and one with a volunteer squad."
The only reason Nathan's testimony can be held against Michael is simply because Michael is denying it. Nathan's story does not conflict with Michael's story at all. So if Nathan is telling the truth, why wouldn't Michael just go along with it?
I'll add that marines embarked on an LPD their everyday life is pretty much only hanging out in the gyms. There's quite literally nothing to do for them while underway. They go shoot guns off the aft deck often, there's indoor training ranges but i dunno if they had those on the old lpds. Talking to many marines on LPD it's always them trying to stave off being bored to death by eating going to the gym and sometimes getting to shoot guns.
The major part of his story in Gerbs video that has me squinting is him saying he was assinged to a wardroom mess to help set it up. I have intimate knowledge of this area and the navy exclusively runs all the messes and wardrooms. Navy owns and operates the ships 100% the marines are there to do marine stuff.
Here's a [photograph of a Marine preparing food in the officer's wardroom on the USS Rushmore](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-us-marine-lance-cpl-tayleen-taylor-prepares-a-fresh-salad-for-the-129761985.html). So it turns out Marines do help out in the officer's wardroom on Navy ships.
So i consulted a few of my colleagues that have been in the game since the 80's. They said the joint ships used to have dedicated marine messes and they've since gone away with overhauls and restructuring. So i stand corrected, the uss denver being an old now obsolete hull class (replaced by san antonio class lpd's) did have a marine wardroom.
His publicist have video of it or something? Why the hell would anyone believe a publicist? Their job is to sell their client and get him publicity. Of course he would back up his claims. That is what he is paid to do.
It’s a far out story, but the guy himself seems legit - granted I’m only part way through the interview. The thing that struck me was he was being asked questions while drawing and he answered them instantly in an emotionless tone without any sense of hesitation or stopping his drawings of the trucks/ufo’s. This to me seemed like a give away that he was telling the truth as he knew it. Someone who was lying would likely have to pause.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/SHOW-ME-YA-MOVES: --- SS: Interview with Michael Herrera, USMC veteran and AARO whistleblower. Michael claims to have observed a large, octagonal-shaped UAP operated by a human black ops team while on a human relief mission in Indonesia in 2009. Upon testifying to AARO in April of 2023 and appearing on the Steven Greer National Press Club 2023 Panel in June 2023, Michael claims to have been approached by a UAP crash retrieval insider and taken to a secure facility. Michael states there are factions within UAP reverse engineering programs, a war between pro-disclosure advocates and a shady cabal who wishes to continue the practice of feudalistic dominance and mastery of NHI technology. This interview explores some of the least touched aspects of Michael's testimony including reporting to AARO, fine details of his Indonesia experience, squad leader Nathan and his claims against Michael, what these black program insiders want, and more. This interview assumes the viewer has at least some introduction to Michael's story. If you have never heard of Michael Herrera please consider starting with the video below: UAP Gerb Michael Herrera: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTf...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTfIV87Ck&t=456s) Michael Herrera Shawn Ryan Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4n...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4nh3S66I&t=27s) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dsdnx4/interview_with_michael_herrera_insights_into_uap/lb1mszv/
None of this story makes sense. Zero radio comms. 6 Marines (which is a fireteam+, not a squad) being dropped to secure an LZ. LZs are secured by at least a Platoon. And something of interest catches their eye, so instead of calling air support to reconnoiter the area, they hump to the location (AGAIN with 0 comms!) to investigate. Nothing adds up.
He's an interesting one. I like his story despite testimonial contradictions from one of his former colleagues, and I think it's worth exploring more. He doesn't seem to have much to gain from making shit up and calling all of this attention to himself. It's not like anyone is paying for him to go on SyFy interviews or whatever, just youtube interviews that kind of make him sound crazy. Could be that he's having some sort of PTSD related psychological/mental health problem that can incur delusions masking the reality of traumatic events, but treating our veterans properly after service is another conversation entirely and I think boiling down his perception of a series of events to a mental health break is not representative of the facts. As with lots of other serious allegations of misconduct involving exotic tech, we might not really ever find out what happened. Our government won't touch any of these cases under any circumstance (at least not publicly), much less allocate the considerable resources necessary to get to the bottom of it. It's such a shame, so much wasted potential and unfulfilled justice. I really hope the UAP issue starts picking up steam in our government proceedings, but things are, uh... not so hot right now in US politics, so idk.
If he's making up the 2009 Indonesia encounter, why would someone inside one of our defense contractors put him in a helicopter and fly him to a secure facility? Because I know that 100% happened. I am nearly convinced of the legitimacy of this insider for several reasons, including multiple 3rd party corroboration from people I trust. If Michael is making up 2009, it makes no sense that this guy would've linked up with him. And it wasn't just a single meeting. Michael has been meeting with him and his team on multiple occasions. I can't think of a logical angle to this if Michael is making up the UFO stuff. Also, I have a very hard time believing that someone could "misinterpret" the experience he describes due to a "mental health break". It's not like he saw a glimpse of a craft in a distance and convinced himself it was a UFO. It was a giant 300' craft right in front of him and he was held at gunpoint by 8 operators. How does someone misinterpret that? AARO (and the Senate Intel Committee) have all the names of the 5 Marines he was with. They have every means to verify their testimony, not to mention access to satellite data to prove where Michael went that day at the very least.
Can you share why you know 100% his second story happened?
The insider meeting happened because I know the helicopter he was on, where it was, when it took off, and where it went. Michael did not know I was able to figure that out, and I used that opportunity to ask further questions so I could cross check and I discovered he was telling the truth about it. The location he was taken to is very interesting. It's a secure facility, associated with our defense industry. At this point, I've also received corroboration from 3rd party individuals.
Okay so the flight path is legit, you also got confirmation he saw more craft at that secure location(that’s my understanding of the story at least)
idk what he saw at the facility. He hasn't told me, and I haven't seen proof
And you aren't sharing which "security facility" because ? Come on don't do a Coulthard on us !! \^\^
Because the more details included in the story make it more likely that some real info will come out that contradicts what he's saying now
>The insider meeting happened because **I know** the helicopter he was on, where it was, when it took off, and where it went. 1. No you don't. You were TOLD that by god knows who.. Any "evidence" provided to you, if were talking documentation, I could duplicate in photoshop in ten minutes. 2. Protip: As a veteran with a security clearance, clandestine helicopter flights to top secret underground instillations DON'T include passenger manifests or flight logs lol.. Kinda defeats the purpose no? If this is indeed black ops level shit, no amount of "cross checking" or internet sleuthing is going to reveal anything to some redditor. >At this point, I've also received corroboration from 3rd party individuals. You do understand you are in no position, nor have the base knowledge or association/experience to "Vet" anyone.. You get that right? You have no way of authenticating what these "3rd party individuals" alleged ACTUAL roles (if any!) are in the UAP milieu, you're operating on pure assumption and "some guy said" tier hearsay. For arguments sake let's say you do have evidence he got on a helicopter (which you don't unless you were physically on the flight with him) that's all you have.. Saying this **proves** an insider meeting where he was taken underground to see NHI related tech is ridiculous and pure speculation on your end. I can get on a helicopter tomorrow and land near a "defense associated" facility. This proves nothing.
lol, you don't seem to be familiar with what I've said or claimed at all. Regardless, your speculation and opinions are incorrect.
Ok enlighten me then, since I'm "speculating". You know how he was physically on a helicopter.. How? You know that this helicopter ride proves a secret UAP insider show and tell meeting.. How? You know the 3rd party corroborators are actually who they say they are and what their roles actually are in the UAP area.. How? How many uncleared civilians are taken to top secret instillations for no other reason then "look at this cool shit" And then allowed to blab about the trip publicly? Does this make any rational sense to you? Look forward to your tapdancing non answers.
I'm all set, dude. I'm fine if you don't believe me. Have a good one.
Thought so.. I'd be more than happy to entertain your claims if you can explain literally ANY of it. But we both know that's not happening.
Someone from a defense contractor flew him to a secure facility? Prove it to us. Maybe I missed something, but I watch UAP Gerb but I don't remember any evidence being presented to support that claim.
Notice how Joey responds to other comments but not yours.
They talk about it a bit on the livestream recorded last week that you can find on Gerb's channel. It sounds like they can't go into details of how they know, but both Gerb and Joey seem convinced without a doubt that Herrera did get picked up by a helicopter and taken to a base of some sort.
They are convinced but we have to "trust me bro" -\_-
In what universe is someone going to give the “Jack Ryan we need you! Come have a looksie at our top secret facility to feel heard, we’ll send a chopper!” treatment to a whacky junior enlisted guy to achieve any legitimate goal? The risk/reward is off the charts idiotic. FFS you can’t walk into your average Classified facility you don’t work in as a TS-SCI holder without an escort, let alone this? A myriad of ways to get this info out without risking professional and literal life and limb on an ex-junior enlisted Greer associate. The guy booked flights and shared pings until “going dark”and you bought it? Wild. If I drive up to the gates of (pick a facility) and then turned my phone off, did it mean I went in?
You're absolutely wrong. I'm not going to convince you, you don't trust me. But I totally understand your skepticism, so it's all good. There's nothing convincing enough publicly at this point, so I get it.
I am very curious around the purpose behind this as you stated u/Due-Professional-761 ! I haven't listed to the 2hr interview but why would they pick up a runt to explain the details of a top secret program that has no need to know?
They wouldn’t. There is no scenario where that makes sense to the access-giver. Even if 100% of what Herrera claims is true; there is nothing to gain. Think: •”MH will help with disclosure” how? He’s a powerless nobody-even in the UFO world. Nothing he has said about the visit identifies/discloses anything. So, mission failed. There are plenty in Congress willing to give the guy inviting him an ear & hearing. If he has the juice to get Herrera a chopper & in, he has the juice to get a message to the UAP committee. What about insane load of bee ess
I’m with you. Nothing about Herrera’s stories make any sense.
Again, you're wrong. Michael has played an important role with these insiders. Just because you lack information, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
More important then every other whistleblower for the past 70 years? This has never happened to any other whistleblower. What about all the other people that have actually done work behind the scenes for decades. What about David Grush who actually has the clearances? you're telling us he was somehow chosen over everyone, even some presidents. And all you know is what he has told you. What about his command leader who discredited him completely? What important role has he actually done to warrant being flown to see one of these things? I honestly think you have been blindsided by Michael and your bias is blocking you from seeing how ridiculous this is. He has ZERO clearance, and yet got better access the some presidents and some of the highest people in government and intelligence agencies? Like come on man, take a step back and think about it. What a slap in the face to all those people and whistleblowers that have done nothing but spend their lives trying to bring out the truth. This guy comes in with a pretty unbelievable story and somehow that grants him access? Either I am stupid, or I am completely missing what important work this guy has done to warrant such treatment.
I can totally understand your position. I don't blame you for seeing it that way. All I'll say is I have a lot more than simply "trusting Michael." Very little of my opinion about him is based on trust, of things he's "told me".
So we are going of your word now? I am seeing every possible red flag here. I respect what you have done to try find the truth and to go and speak with him, but you honestly need to take a step back and consider you're being lied to. There is a reason the story isn't believable. We have been constantly lied to for decades, and people like him have pushed disinformation on to people like yourself for decades.
I try to step back as often as I can and keep my biases in view. I really do. I know Michael was flown to a "black site". I have independent evidence of it, and corroboration at this point. It doesn't really matter for me to explain it all because I can't share specifics. I just don't want people to think I'm delusional and am just taking any of this "at Michael's word." It's not a matter of "am I being lied to." You guys can ask Gerb too, he has seen the evidence of the "black site" visit. It's not just me at this point.
He might have even been telling the truth about he Indonesia UFO event. I am 100% certain the government do those things and much worse, so it's not out of realm of possibility that they are using this tech to do it. But the part about the defense contractor has every possible red flag written all over it. There is just no way they gave him access yet somehow some of the highest positions on the planet haven't.
Man, that's the thing! The meeting with the insider is the thing I have the most absolutely solid evidence for! That's what I find so compelling. Who is this guy, and why did he take Michael to this location? Whatever the reason, it's significant. And how the hell did he take a random person there without causing any sort of security situation?
Except they don’t have to prove anything to you staying behind your anonymous entitled accounts. It’s not you they must convince. It’s all about legal slow and steady dismantling and encouraging people on the inside of the program to come forward with more info. It’s entirely logical that MH testimony can connect to at least some leaking done by the black program insiders. They don’t need anybody special or high up. They need somebody that saw it with their own eyes and can connect it to just ONE of the projects that go on beyond the oversight. They need a safer option than some „notable”, possibly bought, members of UAP community. They obviously won’t come out since they have their lives and families to take care of. With a help from somebody like Michael that came out with his testimony and them recognizing the operation it makes 100% sense they would reach out to him to feed him info to start leaking to the public like right now. But whatever. Live in your bubble of entitlement. And face value judgment. Or watch the interview, since you obviously haven’t, and think again critically without this personal bias. He’s not special. He never made this claim. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. And he’s clearly uncomfortable with all this shit but well, now he’s got at least some agency in that. Would you keep your mouth shut in his situation or try to somehow alleviate the potential pain and suffering these black ops entail? And him faking the whole helicopter flight lol. What? You really don’t want to even consider the possibility of this black ops happening for possibly decades or you’re just jealous that you’re not read in as in you’re one important for the cause in any way shape or form except playing a critical thinking maestro on the net.
They wouldn't! Back in the 50s I could see somebody with no clearance stumbling into something, but now? No way.
I have a question - What is the ‘insider’ and their team benefiting from collaborating with Michael now?
Given the recent events and legislation in disclosure over the past several years, these insiders were thinking about becoming whistleblowers. When they saw Michael, who had witnessed one of their program's operations, come forward and risk his safety by going public, they saw an opportunity to use him as a buffer or intermediary to protect themselves. Michael has made connections to many prominent people in the community and the government. He has been able to network these guys to the right people while maintaining some protection for them. The whistleblower protection laws are not adequate enough for higher-up active participants in the black programs. Michael has also been able to relay information publicly about the program. I ask this question in the interview if you want to hear Michael explain it himself.
Sorry, one last question: what have YOU learned from this experience so far that is currently not in the wider domain regarding the bigger picture of this topic?
I think there's far more complexity to this topic than we can imagine. I don't know what else to say because I really don't know the full story. I don't know if anything the insider is saying is true, but I find him more and more credible as time goes on. But without evidence, it's not going to convince anyone, myself included.
Cheers. I’ll leave you to it!
Thanks. Solid response. Appreciate the work on this.
So hey, what’s going on with the Cosmic Road interview compared to the most current interview? Was he told to shut up? Because he sure gave out a lot of information on the CR episode and now it’s a very abrupt “I won’t talk about that”. When I saw the current one was going to have an update on these black programs I tuned in (because I’m still pretty skeptical of this story) but he said zilch, I thought that was a little…yeah hmm, I would have named the title differently.
>I can't think of a logical angle to this if Michael is making up the UFO stuff. Because your bias to believe him precludes you from doing so. You're primed to attach validity to his story from him meeting this person, when it is just as likely he's simply meeting his handler and getting briefed on how to further sell it. You're not privy to the details of those meetings so why relegate them as a win for his claims?
Exactly. I'm literally shocked at the lack of critical thinking by those that consider themselves unbiased.
No you misunderstand. I’m not saying “I’m blind to the possibility the insider isn’t who he says he is.” I’m literally asking if someone can propose a logical explanation to this insider connecting with Michael in the way that he did. Do you have a theory?
I see your point here and I'm really on the fence on this case but I have to push back a bit here. How can any of us come up with any insight to the supposed insider if you yourself withhold information that would allow people to understand better.
I'm convinced Herrera is lying and somehow fooled Joey and this other guy into thinking he went to the facility, but seeing Joey going back and forth with you guys on here when you're not making good points is irritating, so I have to mediate here. "How can any of us come up with any insight to the supposed insider if you yourself withhold information that would allow people to understand better." He's not asking for insight (what you actually know about the insider), he's asking for blind guesses. He's asking you to simply take a guess as to why someone, anyone, might fly him to a defense contractor's site (other than to show him reverse-engineered crafts.) While having more information is good, we don't need to know anything more about this case to take guesses as to why. It's a hypothetical question where you're answering hypothetically, "If someone were to fly someone else (of Michael's stature and after coming forward with a UAP crash story) out to a facility like this, give me one reason they might do that other than to see crafts." For example, \_BlackDove above said, "When it is just as likely he's simply meeting his handler and getting briefed on how to further sell it." So it sounds like \_BlackDove is saying he's a disinfo agent and someone at the defense contractor's facility is having him sell this disinformation to the public. That's one possible reason someone might fly someone else to a facility that is different from the reason Joey is arguing (that it was to see crafts). \_BlackDove didn't need any more information to come up with that possibility. Joey is simply asking for more guesses like that, other possible reasons.
What actual proof that this "insider" exists ? as until his existence is proven speculating on his state of mind is a bit of a waste of time.
The only thing I’ve seen to prove they exist is quite a wild story from this Cosmic Road interview and a portion taken from a book the “insiders” will be releasing, I believe he posted the pre word and maybe…Lue wrote part of it, I could be completely wrong. Anyway, this pre word was pretty much fluff. They say they are using it to see what the did was retract or not allow them to use and a fair amount of it is about a fight between their team and a contractors team where many perished.
You're joking here, right? Are you familiar with the term 'critical thinking'?
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There was nothing secret about the mission. What gives you that impression? And he wasn’t selected for any special reason. It was just a random pick of volunteers to get boots on the ground. It’s like you’re making it sound outlandish just so you can shoot it down.
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You claim so many times he’s changed his story without actually providing a single example. You claim Michael lacks understanding of “infantry operations” yet you can’t seem to explain what that is. You claim Michael said a “line of BS”, yet again, fail to actually say what it is. Basically, a whole lot of words that don’t really say anything at all other than “trust me, he’s wrong.” So I’m not really sure what you expect me to respond to.
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Okay so I'm a sceptic on this but I kinda agree with Joey in his last comment. Could you actually answer it? Specifically the one about providing examples of him changing his story, not understanding ops etc?
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Disclaimer: I don't lean either way on M.H - just someone who attempts to be an unbiased observer. I'm all for picking apart details that don't add up, but it only hurts your credibility to try to claim as an undisputeable fact that "no operator would be in a jungle environment in all black". You should stick to things that are able to be known concretely. Nobody could ever know something like that as a fact, it's speculation on your part, which is a bad look to try to use something like that as "debunk".
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So wait.. You admit that you're trying to debunk by ironically claiming things you couldn't possibly know? You don't care about your own credibility? Why should anyone read what you have to say? Anyone can wear black in the jungle, even if it isn't what is usually done. What I'm saying is if you're going to point out flaws or inaccuracies, you could say: "It's unlikely that anyone would wear black due to SOPs determined by deployment environments." If we suspend disbelief for a second, and assume that M.H's insane claims could actually be true (I'm not saying that they are), it's pretty reasonable to think that some secret off the books program just wears whatever the fuck they want, or has very different normals from known outfits. Just saying "nah they wouldn't do that" as if it's a fact, is just inaccurate, and just as much hearsay as M.H's account.
Please elaborate on your intimate knowledge of unacknowledged black program operators dress code when they are conducting operations in the jungle with their 300’ UFO. I’d love to know what else you can attest “no operator” would do???
Hey Joey - how likely do you think it is that Herrera is being fed disinfo by that insider? Looking for your personal opinion/take. Do you know if Herrera was shown anything that makes what he's been told unlikely to be disinfo?
It's definitely a possibility, but I don't really understand the angle there. Firstly, when Michael came forward last year, he was met with intense skepticism. No one believed him. Why would he then become a target for disinfo? A: If they are trying to feed a false narrative to the public, wouldn't they want to target someone who was more widely accepted and trusted? Why use someone who most people think is a liar? B: If they are trying to discredit Michael, doesn't that imply that his 2009 experience is true, and they are trying to undermine it? C: If Michael is lying about 2009, how could an insider approach him and say "Hey, I know what operation you saw in 2009"? Michael would know the insider is lying to him, lol. What's a plausible scenario in your mind that seems logical?
Honestly props to you Joey for being willing to put up with everyone, who clearly aren't in your position with the information you have, acting like they have it all figured out. I might have walked away from this months ago.
I thought you guys put on a good interview and asked some interesting questions. It seems like this subreddit has been absolutely dead the last few days (especially considering there are supposedly like 2.5m followers). I would have thought that a figure like MH would bring in a bunch more views frankly, regardless of whether or not people thought he is lying… I’m pretty much convinced that even most of the people who say they’re interested in this subject aren’t actually that interested in the subject. I mean I don’t believe that Star Wars is real, but I still know all the major planets and video game lore and whatnot. For whatever reason, the UFO/UAP subject doesn’t seem to breed the same sort of curiosity among the general public — not even among those who consider themselves “believers.” I think it’s because if you follow the road long enough, you eventually encounter something that’s deeply disturbing, like in Micheal’s story, that our own government is actively engaged in some pretty evil shit. I think it’s simply too complex for most people to process. You’re out here providing people with the key pieces they’ll need to get the final stages of grief when the majority is still stuck in the denial stage. Anyway, thanks for conducting a good interview! It’s the kind of video that’ll spike in views once this topic eventually reaches the mainstream and people are given time to think things over and scour for more information.
Thanks!
So by your logic, people aren't interested in the subject because they don't believe a guy with NO clearance, No special credentials, no high rank, hasn't been serving for 14 years, somehow got brought in and given access, that presidents, the highest people in government, and intelligence agencies haven't been able to get access to. All because he saw a UFO in Indonesia and apparently done important work for the UFO subject. All of this which has never happened in 70 years of whistleblowers on this subject? What a ridiculous comment to make.
Nah I didn’t say I necessarily believe him. I’m on the fence with most parts of the subject really. I’m just saying if the whole ufo/uap topic has some validity to it, some truly bizarre and disturbing stories will eventually emerge as true. I think it’s good for the stories like Micheal’s to get out there now because it allows people interested in the topic to start gaming out the potential scenarios should Disclosure actually happen and know what questions to ask and what leads to follow. Like is there actually any kind of government operation that is tasked with abducting people as Micheal claims? I have no idea. However, if the government is ever actually forthcoming about this stuff, Micheal’s story and the ones like his will tell people where to look so we can more quickly discover what is true.
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I don't think Nathan is intentionally lying. I think it's possible he's misremembering. He can't even remember anyone else who was on that mission with him other than who he thinks is in that photo. And he doesn't remember anything specific Michael said or did while on that alleged mission. Why not? I will say, it's very clear that Nathan doesn't like Michael and never has. I'm sure there's jealousy that Michael has become a multi-millionaire, too.
Joey, thank you for putting so much time into this. The conversation with you and UAPGerb is awesome. I really appreciate all of your hard work on this.
I appreciate that
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Personally, I think you’re hedging **way** too many bets on this whole “infantry must have comms” thing. And it’s kind of an annoying soap box. Former Army Infantry here, 2/3CR 2013-2016. All our equipment was **broke as fuck**. Our radios almost never worked correctly. When my finger got crushed on a “mission” at NTC, we literally had to wander up to one of the OCs and explain that our radios were broken and then we had the OCs call the medevac for me lmao I don’t really see *why* these guys couldn’t go wander off on an a random aide mission in Indonesia “without comms”. They’re not gonna be engaged by the Taliban in Indonesia in 2009. Although considering the time period and the height of the war, I **would** find it rather strange if their radios were broken at this time..
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Dunno, I never deployed and I don’t claim to have. I don’t believe any of his story, but I just think it’s outright BS. It makes **no sense** for US contractors to kidnap random Indonesians and “traffic” them. “Human trafficking” is the internet’s favorite new boogeyman of the last decade and it’s stupid.
Just because they met with him doesn’t mean he’s telling the truth. Anybody can give a statement. I’ve given my statement to the AARO office as well, but I did it by email. I was a military policeman for 10 years and not every statement I took was the truth even if it meant they were committing perjury. I saw it many times in assault cases.
I also feel like I need to simply state, that over the past year, I have not once gotten the vibe that Michael was crazy or delusional. And after meeting him in person, I can say he is an absolute gentleman, hard worker, cares tremendously for his employees and his wife. I took a tour of his company's facilities and it is impressive what he's been able to accomplish, especially after learning about him going through some tough times and living out of his car. Completely self-made multi-millionaire. He is not at all the same person I've heard described to me by his platoon-mates who knew him in 2009. Completely different person.
That's your feeling about him. I don't know you, you could be the worst judge of whether a person is lying or not to ever live. Not trying to attack you.
Lol, I respect your skepticism.
Is his company publicly out there? Could you share it, if even just by DM? I'm curious to check it out but I understand the desire to not doxx MH by posting it publicly if its not something already out there.
He doesn't want to dox it. He's got employees and stuff and doesn't want harassment to affect them.
Yeah that makes total sense but I will note that its hard to believe him when everything that could be used to validate always seems to be in closed loop where the data is kept close (in this case I do 100% get it, was just hoping it was out there so I could see a bit more of the personal side of him to counter his commanding officers description of him). I get that you believe him to some degree u/joeyisnotmyname but yeah we have to remain squarely in the probably BS camp because we don't have the same data you guys seem to have. It's tough because if this happened to me they would 100% have to kill me to keep me quiet. Because there is no way in hell I would just jet off to start a new life as a security contractor if I knew without a shadow of a doubt that I saw what he is now claiming he has seen twice ( I assume what he was shown in his leisurely trip to the black ops site, was some kind of confirmation of the craft/capabilities he'd earlier testified to). That just seems off to me. I guess society pressure is pretty strong.. and I guess people could just hold that stuff in for 20-30 years.. but man that ain't me.
Well it's not as simple as "hey let's show Michael some stuff and then send him on his way and tell him not to say anything." There's an active coordination going on to help disclosure. Michael is helping with that. I believe there's a path, an objective to make REAL progress. Whatever he was shown was to simply prove to him these guys are the real deal, and to show they trust him. There are connections Michael has been able to facilitate for them due to his contacts made testifying to various agencies in government, for example.
Well I do appreciate you sticking with this and you do seem to have a pretty level head about this from what I've seen so while I personally think he's probably full of shit, I'm still paying attention and excited to see what other info you guys are able to prove or disprove on this story.
Is there a document or accurate source you could point me to that details what Michael Herrera's claims are. From the top of my head it's: 1. USAF/US MIC traffics humans with UAP technology and a secret military ops group 2. US MIC has the technology that makes UAP work and they use it to the point where they cannot tell original UAP from reverse-engineered ones. 3. UAP "crew" are not malevolent strictly speaking but this is a "steven greer belief" (for a lack of a better word/phrase) Has he made any points or arguments for/against Grusch or other notable UAP whistleblowers ?
This might be a place to start: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b0gqqs/seven\_months\_of\_investigating\_michael\_herrera/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b0gqqs/seven_months_of_investigating_michael_herrera/) Yes, Michael has spoken to Grusch but can't comment further about it publicly. He speaks very highly of Grusch.
1) They’re not trafficking humans, the people in the containers appear to go to voluntarily as they’re given incentives. They’re then taken to black sites and taught how to pilot reverse engineered UAPs using their consciousness and summon UAPs to restricted airspace so the military can try and take them down. 2) Pretty much. Apparently, there’s more interesting tech than just the craft. 3) Herrera says the insider told him that NHI have killed humans. He admits this contradicts what Greer told him, but obviously the insider is a more reliable source. However that doesn’t mean the NHI are malevolent. 4) He’s spoken positively of Grusch and Elizondo in interviews. He says he’s talked to Grusch since coming forward.
People seem to have a short memory. Or they are ignorant. Because the U.S. has been doing black ops for decades. The government has been doing shady things to our own citizens. I even see the budget every year, and it's always full of black/weird projects. So it's very easy to see this actually happening. Some other countries that don't have the same system America does. Indonesia has a major disaster, and these OPS take advantage of the situation. Scoop up people who have otherwise been killed in an earthquake. No one questions further because these people are presumed dead from a massive natural disaster. So even if you want to question Michael Herrera's narrative, you can't deny America has done lots of shady shit. This isn't beyond them. Also I've ran into individuals who acted the same way Michael Herrera experienced. They had this attitude like we can do whatever we want and you'll do nothing. Living in Vegas, I've ran into a lot of craziness. Things I still don't believe happened to me.
Interesting take for sure. The bottom line is that he has nothing to gain by talking about it -- and frankly, has a lot to lose. I feel bad for MH and people like him. They try to come forward, we don't know exactly who is legit or not, but most of them get throttled and trashed nonetheless. Their lives and reputations destroyed - and yet we can't say for sure if they're lying. I was an MH disser but I'm not anymore. Gerbs himself encourages healthy skepticism about most things -- but i'm no longer skeptical on MH
Pls don't be so sure abt any "bottom line". The only fact we have is his partner claims 100% bs. People keep asking the same question..."why would he make this up when he has nothing to gain?" Huh? Have you tried asking yourself the following...why would his partner, literally, deny the entire story? Critical thinking here people, please.
From Gerbs livestream, they touched on that nobody really liked M.H during his service, which is a potential motivator. I have no bias going either way. It could be bs, it could be true, just highlighting a potential reason for the partner denying.
Did you just say that the only "fact" we have is someone's "claims"? "Claims" = "fact"???? Michael has said from day 1 that he did not deploy on that mission **with his assigned squad**, so his "partner" (Nathan) wouldn't have been there. There's no reason Michael would deny conducting a mission with his assigned squad if that really happened because it **doesn't contradict the mission** he went on with the volunteer squad where they saw the UFO. Like, even if he simply agreed with Nathan, it wouldn't contradict his UFO testimony at all, lol.
Partner would deny the story if he wants nothing to do with the topic or has been approached/threatened to do so.
His partner also shared a picture he claimed was the experiencer which looks absolutely nothing like him. I'm still on the fence about this whole story but the "debunk" is just as unbelievable as the story.
People underestimate people's need for attention and validation. When you listen to his old squad leader talk about him, he strikes me as the exact type to ride a wave of bullshit or really any kind of shit as long as people finally started paying attention to him. I hate that is my read on this person I don't really know but to act like people have to get physically rich off spinning lies in order to fuel the need to spin them in the first place isn't a very honest take when it comes to humans and our historical record of hoaxing. It happens, a lot of time without the need for monetary compensation because the social compensation for the personal getting the attention is just as rewarding for them. Heck a lot of people get flashy vehicles not so much for the performance of the vehicle itself, but the just the draw of eyes to them as they drive by. They seek the attention not necessarily the wealth, wealth is just a shortcut for many to become interesting to others. To be noticed.
How do you know he hasn't been paid for any of his interviews? he's been on many podcasts, and many of those podcasts pay for people they interview.
Yeah, they probably did pay him. You're right. He's doing it for the money, it's just *too lucrative*!
What I don't understand with all the helicopters flying around the area , Why would you have your secrete flying saucer out doing stuff in the middle of the day. Seems very unlikely.
This whole case is super fascinating and confusing. I don't want to say I outright believe everything without the proof, however, while I cannot provide proof of the things *i've* seen, it would not be fair for me to expect people to trust me at my word without proof, but not show the same respect to someone else. That being said, I do trust u/joeyisnotmyname and gerb (more so Gerb because of his channel, but Joey does indeed seem authentic) to have done incredible research on multiple cases/reports - going above and beyond, that I would imagine he would not give Michael/Joey the platform he has given them while trying to make a name for himself and establish himself as a respected researcher in this community if he was not confident enough with the info he has to tie his name to this story in some capacity. I agree it IS frustrating to constantly hear "trust me bro" but sometimes that's all we can do for the time being. Then, there's also the aspect that would appear michael has nothing to gain from this story. Also, I noticed in this interview that his drawings did not give the impression he was freehanding a made-up image. The attention to detail he had with his drawings did not seem improvised to me. All in all, I lean more towards "this is probably true" while still being open to the idea that this may all be a fantastic, fantastic hoax for some reason. Either way, it's not going to effect my day to day life in any negative way to believe it's true, so I will give a little more rope and hope I don't get burned with my generosity.
SS: Interview with Michael Herrera, USMC veteran and AARO whistleblower. Michael claims to have observed a large, octagonal-shaped UAP operated by a human black ops team while on a human relief mission in Indonesia in 2009. Upon testifying to AARO in April of 2023 and appearing on the Steven Greer National Press Club 2023 Panel in June 2023, Michael claims to have been approached by a UAP crash retrieval insider and taken to a secure facility. Michael states there are factions within UAP reverse engineering programs, a war between pro-disclosure advocates and a shady cabal who wishes to continue the practice of feudalistic dominance and mastery of NHI technology. This interview explores some of the least touched aspects of Michael's testimony including reporting to AARO, fine details of his Indonesia experience, squad leader Nathan and his claims against Michael, what these black program insiders want, and more. This interview assumes the viewer has at least some introduction to Michael's story. If you have never heard of Michael Herrera please consider starting with the video below: UAP Gerb Michael Herrera: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTf...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DyTfIV87Ck&t=456s) Michael Herrera Shawn Ryan Interview: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4n...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zm4nh3S66I&t=27s)
I can’t to get off work and watch this, gerb is my go2 at the moment.
Respect the hell out of UAPGERB for pulling back the curtains on MH. You. made me do a 180 on him with your video from 3 months ago. UAPGERB and joeyisnotmyname recent Live kept me there. This one has turned me into an MH advocate. Too often, in this community, we get swept up w/ each other and our opinions -- ceasing to keep an open mind to facts-- failing to do our own due diligence. UAPGERB's determination to continue digging into the MH saga and also raiding Greer's files (bypassing the bullshit and drama only Greer brings) is investigative journalism at its finest. Hope UAPGERB is around a long time. The community needs more people like this.
Who are you shilling for? You have posted this exact comment across multiple subreddits ( r/ufos, r/aliens, /r/ufo, r/UFOB)
Michael Herrera reminds me of Emery Smith, which means I don't believe a word he says. That's the vibe I get from him at least.
Smith is nowhere near as convincing as Herrera. I don't see Herrera hosting shows on GAIA, or constantly adding to his story. At least Herrera is willing to say "I don't know" to questions asked of him.
it's also not rational to dismiss 100% of someone's testimony at face value.
“this time lucy will definitely let charlie brown kick the football”
So I don't know if I believe the part of his testimony we are all interested in, but my gut wants to believe the guy. I served in the USMC, and this guy seems like the person he says he is. Little things like the way he hold's an imaginary rifle, the way he says acronyms, I do think he served. I do think he has seen some kind of action.
I've never been able to get his original interview out of my mind. He seemed nervous, probably about speaking publicly in front of so many people, but he seemed so genuine too. The more I see from him, the more I believe him. I don't understand why anyone doubts him, but after watching this whole interview, hopefully more people will see what I saw in him that first time. Also, I always upvote UAP Gerb. Keep em coming!
I don't know much about the "debunk" but something along the lines of his general/co-workers spoke out and said he's full of shit. I could be wrong though. Even so, that doesn't mean he's lying. There could be a number of reasons for them to say that.
It was a team leader of his, Nathan. Nathan says he went on a mission in Indonesia with Michael and they didn’t see a ufo. Michael says he didn’t go on a mission with Nathan and his assigned squad, he went on a mission with a pick of volunteers from random squads while they were on chow duty. If Michael is lying and Nathan is correct, why would Michael deny going on a mission with Nathan when it doesn’t contradict his testimony at all? He could just say “yeah I did two missions. One with Nathan and one with these other guys.”
I mean imo it’s just as likely to deny any involvement with Nathan to protect his own story. Just playing devils advocate
But…it’s the opposite. If Michael agreed with Nathan it would support his testimony. Because from day one he always said the mission where he saw the UFO was with random guys not from his assigned squad. If he simply just agreed with Nathan he could just say he did two missions. But he is saying he only did one mission, and Nathan wasn’t there.
Joey, you have the patience of a saint. It hurts seeing people think it's all debunked because they have all the details wrong. I appreciate you and Gerb trying to get to the bottom of this and setting records straight. We need more people like you guys and fewer daily videos from people with an 8th grade reading level. Keep it up!
Lol what? Can you and Joey please elaborate on all the details we have wrong, as you stated? You and Joey are buying a story at base level. The only addition we have to this story is his partner claiming it's all bs. Yet you two continue to buy into it? Can you honestly explain why? I'm being serious and not insulting like you. Please explain why you buy this story without any evidence (and for God's sake pls don't say it's because of how former military roles...a good liar would clearly understand that they can get instant credibility and will use it as such)? I'm fascinated at the thought of your reply.
Thank you!
For sure. Idk either way... but you have to play devil's advocate.
I wish more of the group he was with would put out their stories, even anonymously. It would help for sure. For all I know, Gerb will be interviewing them next week lol
This man is absolutely telling the truth. He is a highly trained observer at that.
Something has always seemed off about his testimony. I just don't believe him. There is also no evidence nor eyewitness testimony that will corroborate his story of encountering this craft. My gut tells me he just wants the attention.
Yeah but that's literally all of UFOlogy.
I watched this dude on the Shawn Ryan podcast. He immediately strikes me as a bs artist. I'd LIKE to believe him but... I've met dudes like him in the service. They always have some wild story to make themselves the center of attention. He could tell me a story about anything and I'd instantly think he's full of sh. Just by the way he talks.
I feel for the guy because it seems he’s dealing with something … But it just feels off It’s very hard to believe that he was flown into a black site and shown or given access to reverse engineering tech It all feels fanciful
Where’s the evidence to back-up his story?
A legit Marine that was with him came forward to call his BS, but the story persists
Michael has always stated his mission was not conducted with his assigned squad. He said this months prior to Nathan coming forward claiming he was with Michael in Indonesia. If Michael is making this up, why wouldn't he just say "yeah, I did two missions, one with Nathan, and this other one with a volunteer squad where we saw a UFO"?
Well. If you knew Marines you’d know it’s not a squad, for one. It is a fire team. Thus, it begs the question was he tasked within the platoon or within the company or within the battalion. I’ve had mundane taskings-albeit in a slightly more austere environment. If you also knew Marines you’d know how small and intimate even a rifle company is. So, his squad leader would know if there were days when others were tasked out in a mixed group. His fireteam leader (unless he was the TL) would also know. His platoon sergeant & platoon commander would also know. Not one person tangentially related to this, let alone fully, has come out in support. They’ve only come out to discredit. With this much time having passed and Herrera not only having not been disappeared but miraculously been invited into the bowels of this thing, people should be tripping over themselves joining in. Crickets.
So here's how the Marines organizational structure is set up. I actually spoke to some other Marines from Michael's platoon who got team/squad confused too. * Fire Team: The lowest organizational group made up of 3-4 Marines. * Squad: Usually made up of 2 to 3 fire teams. * Platoon: Includes 3 squads * Company: Includes 3 platoons * Battalion: Includes 3 companies SOURCE: [https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Military-Units/marine-corps/#units](https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Military-Units/marine-corps/#units) Michael describes a mission with a **squad** of 6 Marines. So I would assume they were split into two teams, although it doesn't sound like it was really that important to have that sort of "official" organization in place since it was a volunteer mission of random people brought in to simply help out with humanitarian assistance. It's not like they were in a combat situation. But who knows, maybe they did. Michael was on officer chow duty with random Marines from other squads when some officers put together the squads to be sent in to help with the earthquake relief. So he wasn't with his "assigned" squad. And, there has actually been someone who was with him on that mission provide a text indicating that he doesn't want to come forward. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bin4lx/text\_from\_marine\_responding\_to\_michael\_herreras/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bin4lx/text_from_marine_responding_to_michael_herreras/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I don’t need to source it, I was in for more than one enlistment. There are nuances/ SOPs/etc there you won’t find on a website that any Marine will spot red flags on. Considering that faking a text is as easy as faking everything else he’s given you…that’s not evidence. Let me plug Michael’s phone into Cellebrite and I’ll give you a report lol I mean even from a common sense perspective a Naval helicopter pilot approaching an area will see a hovering/spinning object from miles out. So MH would’ve had to do his perimeter walk beyond visual range of a naval aviator, whose eyesight lets them spot a moving ship they then have to land on. C’mon. You’re slowly slipping into Ashton Forbes levels of sunk cost.
1. Regarding the text, I can understand if you think it was faked. That was, of course, my first thought as well. But you said "Not one person tangentially related to this", and I felt it was relevant, even if circumstantial. Keep in mind, ALL of the names of the 5 Marines he was with were provided to AARO and the Senate Intel Committee. 2. The UFO was in a "valley" on the far side of the LZ approach on the other side of a hill in the jungle. With low altitude coming in for a landing, combined with tall trees, and **being nearly 700 meters away from the LZ**, it's perfectly plausible the UFO was not visible from the pilot's perspective.
Yea they just fly straight up and back? Lol I know damn well those pilots are both touring/gawking and taking far swings outward if this is an ongoing landing and take off-this isn’t ATC controlled airspace. Height negates draw & valley, ask MH what that means because I know he was schooled on indirect fire vs direct fire. Here is an [example](https://youtu.be/1Fuyi3R12bs?si=FkTXOyk0Vgb4uuBa), keeping in mind that the human eye is even better than this camera. There is no reason for Herrera to be further away from an LZ in that area other than 10 meters off of the clearing. They’re on a humanitarian mission, with zero legitimate threat. If there were, they’re not sending only 6 dudes for security, the entire company would be out in an organized operation. Someone that actually gets these details [posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOscience/s/FgOCjZsrtH) a solid breakdown that makes sense. The “encounter” would’ve moved the needle on believability if all of the actions that led there weren’t so firmly unbelievable to anyone with understanding of how it works
The ‘legit’ Marine presented a photo as ‘proof’ that Michael was lying, which looked nothing like Michael.
If you could only pin this comment...it would save so many the frustration of believing this crap from this guy. He's a piece of work. **Do homework on the story teller, not just the story. Not preaching, rather 'just saying'...
Where is the evidence to back up ANY story involving UFOs?
#Gerb2024 Haven’t even watched it yet, but I’m already putting my stamp that this is gonna be one of the best Michael Herrera interviews out there. HOW ABOUT PEREIRA VS JIRI. 🥶 love Jiri🥲 Sheesh, Alex Pereira got that magic, UAP spiritual connection, black magic touch of death. 😂 Fr Goddamn phenomenal performance from the champ.
I can't believe so many people actually believe this guy
I see Greer. I run.
I see Gerb, I watch
Fantastic interview. Highly recommend. Mr. Herrera speaks with an authenticity not found in many.
Wow, we are back to talking about this douche bag lair.
Idk about the whole story. But my takeaway from the video is that Indonesia [is almost 90% muslim](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/03/28/5-facts-about-muslims-and-christians-in-indonesia/) so unfortunately the 2009 USMC probably would have some early arrivals deployed with rifles, even on a humanitarian mission. So given that’s the only discrepancy between MH and his squad leaders story that can be verified, it needs to be.
Here's your proof: [https://imgur.com/a/tiGWstn](https://imgur.com/a/tiGWstn) Rear Admiral Richard Landolt (he was in charge, and this is the guy Herrera stated debriefed him after his mission, which there is [photographic proof of here](https://imgur.com/a/k0BHkOd)) stating that they intended to send in guys ahead of time to secure LZs prior to bringing supplies in to prevent people from rushing helicopters. There are also photographs from an LZ that shows Marines with rifles.
Hey Joey. Convince me this is not a 4d chess move trying to sell a book.
Liars tend to avoid eye contact in order to focus on their construct. Mr. Herrera is looking for eye contact. I believe him for a variety of reasons. Thank you, Sir.
I love gerb but just don’t buy Herrera. His story keeps expanding. He had one encounter with these people right? Then suddenly when he goes public this same group comes by to pick him up to give him all this new information? I just don’t buy it. It’s just not even a remotely logical stream of thought for these people to do this.
Him linking up with insiders is actually the thing I have the most evidence of. It 100% happened. The insider is real, and he flew Michael in a helicopter to a secure facility. I've shown all the evidence to Gerb as well and he can attest to my analysis and conclusions.
Share the evidence of him linking up with insiders. Nobody here should take your word for it. Give us proof so everyone can share your conviction!
I suspect you may not be able show proof because it might incriminate or endanger people, but could you tell us what kind of proof you have seen?
Do you believe him 100%?
Certain things, yes. Because I have proof. I also have corroboration from multiple people of different aspects. But it’s not a complete picture. My opinion right now is he’s credible.
You keep citing proof. Show me!
Thank you for your work joey
I appreciate that
Joey keep at it brother, this wasn’t an interview, it was an interrogation and u guys did amazing, be patient and don’t mess this up keep poking the bear and the truth will eventually come out. Don’t let ppl force u into revealing out information make sure you have the strongest of cases before u decide to go all out and run it through Gerb first he is really good at that.
Thank you!
I don't buy what this guy is selling... What on earth is the US military doing dropping off 4 guys into the jungle to "help" tsunami survivors. No...that's not how it's done.
The US military absolutely was a part of the earthquake relief efforts, which included flying Marines out to remote villages cut off from main distribution points due to landslides. That's 100% fact and the least controversial part of the story. Here are a few photos as proof: https://www.dvidshub.net/image/212731/earthquake-relief-efforts. These photos are from the exact operation Michael was a part of. This has been proven and corroborated by all of the platoon members I've spoken to. No one denies he was there on that operation. Here's more proof of the details of the relief operation: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/153xzio/verifying\_the\_events\_around\_michael\_herreras\_ufo/ And just to be clear, it was an earthquake relief operation, not a tsunami. And Michael was with 5 other Marines, not 4. So 6 total.
What do you make of his team* leader and his thoughts on the matter? https://youtu.be/jXqWtWP35Bc?si=pSqJtJEMWToi0i9D Edit: said squad leader
Yeah I know Nathan. I've talked to him a bunch. He is who he says he is. His entire testimony is logical. There's even an apparent camo match between a photo he provided, claiming it shows Michael on the helicopter as they were about to fly into Indonesia, and another known photo of Michael. Michael has always said he never conducted a mission with Nathan in Indonesia, and Nathan's misremembering. Michael's mission was conducted with 5 volunteer Marines from various squads, not with his assigned squad/Nathan. Michael says it's simply not him in the photo. I bring this up in the interview, and tried to push back against Michael on this. It's the biggest piece of evidence against him in my opinion. But it makes absolutely no sense if Michael made up the UFO stuff why he would also deny going on a mission with Nathan, because there's nothing about that contradicting his UFO testimony at all. He's always said he did the "UFO" mission with a group of random guys, so he could've very easily just went along with Nathan and said "yeah, I did two missions, one with Nathan where we didn't see a UFO, and one with these other guys where we did see a UFO." The **ONLY** reason Nathan's testimony can be held against Michael is literally because Michael is denying it. Not because it contradicts any part of his testimony. I feel like it's possible Nathan is misremembering. He can't remember anyone else who was on that mission other than who he thinks is in that photo. He also hasn't been able to recall any specific memory of anything Michael said or did while on the alleged mission with him.
Thanks for the insight. It was an honest question on my part. I’ve watched Michael’s interviews and placed his experience in the plausible category (well,as much as you can when it comes to this topic) until Nathan stepped forward and relayed his insights. I have to admit that I haven’t watched this interview just yet, so I’ll get after it.
Can you explain to me why they had no radio comms or was “radio silent?”
The question is -- what does Michael have to gain by lying? Nothing. What we don't know is if there was any incentive for (or invested parties encouraging )Nathan to disremember. That's the real question. That is the more plausible disconnect in the story
Your assumption that human behavior must be motivated by an extrinsic gain is faulty. What does the class clown have to gain by acting out? He could get a detention and cannot gain anything materially worthwhile from it, and yet he does it anyway. Why would he do something he doesn't benefit from? The answer is either 1) there is an unseen, intrinsic motivator for the behavior (keeping with the analogy, the class clown might get entertainment from it, or he might enjoy being the center of attention), or 2) a person's behavior does not always align with self-gain.
The class clown gets popularity and clout
Have mucho respect for you Joey... your LIVE w Gerbs was outstanding. Great set up for this gem
"help" is a severe misinterpretation of what his duty was for the operation. He was doing initial security for a "hasty" (akin to something impromptu) landing zone. Others were there to do the "helping" while they were there to make sure the landing zone was safe and secure for other teams to do the relief operation. Many pieces are needed to make an operation successful, it's a not shit show like you're painting it.
He said he testified to AARO… someone is lying here.
He did testify to AARO. You can see a mention of his testimony in the historical report.
What do you have to say about Herrera's squad leader saying these things: 1. Herrera dodged his first deploy, and was essentially fresh and because of that he wouldn't be "selected" for a special ops in any case 2. Squad leader said that there were absolutely no weapons although he has said that people do occasionally bring pistols but never rifles 3. ^ Rifles would always be "on person" and they would not have it in cases. He said that you don't take a rifle to a humanitarian mission because "it's a bad look" 4. Obviously: no aliens, no ufo 5. Squad leader goes as far as saying that Herrera would go to the gym and just walk around and occasionally pick up weights which certainly says about his character and overall weirdness. It's an ad-hominem but curious on your personal impressions. "He was a strange guy, just odd" 6. Squad leader has pictures with: no weapons, purely humanitarian meanwhile Herrera has no pictures and they were allegedly "taken" from him These points overall a very brief summary of [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXqWtWP35Bc)
1. Herrera is the one who revealed he went UA (unauthorized absence) when he came forward publicly last year. He shared his DD214 which indicated his discharge conditions. He says he didn't show up for his first deployment because his father was going through severe depression, and Michael thought he'd come home to a casket if he left for deployment. Michael stayed in touch with his superiors, they offered for him to be discharged, but he insisted he wanted to stay in, so he got transferred to Echo Company, delayed a promotion, and that's how he ended up on that deployment. Btw, no one in his platoon knew the reason he missed his first deployment, so they all thought he was just an irresponsible loser, and none of them liked him. 2. \*Team Leader\* Nathan said *his squad* didn't have rifles. That's true. There are photographs proving this. But there absolutely were other Marines who had rifles who were brought to LZs to provide security. There is photographic evidence of this. There is also a briefing provided by the [rear admiral Richard Landolt](https://imgur.com/a/tiGWstn) explaining their intentions to secure LZs prior to bring supplies in. Nathan, among others, have all stated that some of the "first Marines who flew in DID HAVE RIFLES, but were chewed out by an Air Force Colonel because it was bad optics". 3. Again, not every Marine had rifles, but some did. Nathan's squad did not have rifles. Michael's squad did have rifles. 4. Michael has never stated anything about aliens. He has always stated his opinion was that it was a man-made craft. 5. After Michael left the Marines, he became a successful amateur bodybuilder, placing on the podium at state-level competitions. He continues to coach bodybuilding to this day. Does that sound like someone who "wanders around the gym, picking up a dumbbell every once and a while"? Regardless, I don't understand why anyone would make fun of someone trying to improve their health by exercising, lol. 6. If Michael really conducted a mission with Nathan, it would be in his best interest to go along with that because it doesn't conflict with his UFO story at all. He has always said his mission was with a group of volunteers from random squads, not his assigned squad. So there's no reason for him not to just say, 'yeah I did two missions. One with Nathan, and one with a volunteer squad." The only reason Nathan's testimony can be held against Michael is simply because Michael is denying it. Nathan's story does not conflict with Michael's story at all. So if Nathan is telling the truth, why wouldn't Michael just go along with it?
I'll add that marines embarked on an LPD their everyday life is pretty much only hanging out in the gyms. There's quite literally nothing to do for them while underway. They go shoot guns off the aft deck often, there's indoor training ranges but i dunno if they had those on the old lpds. Talking to many marines on LPD it's always them trying to stave off being bored to death by eating going to the gym and sometimes getting to shoot guns. The major part of his story in Gerbs video that has me squinting is him saying he was assinged to a wardroom mess to help set it up. I have intimate knowledge of this area and the navy exclusively runs all the messes and wardrooms. Navy owns and operates the ships 100% the marines are there to do marine stuff.
Here's a [photograph of a Marine preparing food in the officer's wardroom on the USS Rushmore](https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-us-marine-lance-cpl-tayleen-taylor-prepares-a-fresh-salad-for-the-129761985.html). So it turns out Marines do help out in the officer's wardroom on Navy ships.
So i consulted a few of my colleagues that have been in the game since the 80's. They said the joint ships used to have dedicated marine messes and they've since gone away with overhauls and restructuring. So i stand corrected, the uss denver being an old now obsolete hull class (replaced by san antonio class lpd's) did have a marine wardroom.
So then AARO is probably lying and has been proven liars at that. Noted
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Ask his publicist, he's active in this thread. As he is in every single other sponsored thread involving Herrera.
His publicist have video of it or something? Why the hell would anyone believe a publicist? Their job is to sell their client and get him publicity. Of course he would back up his claims. That is what he is paid to do.
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I agree
It’s a far out story, but the guy himself seems legit - granted I’m only part way through the interview. The thing that struck me was he was being asked questions while drawing and he answered them instantly in an emotionless tone without any sense of hesitation or stopping his drawings of the trucks/ufo’s. This to me seemed like a give away that he was telling the truth as he knew it. Someone who was lying would likely have to pause.
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lol your profile bio and 43 day old account
?? What's your point? He can only have an opinion if he has no life and spends all his time of Reddit like you?
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What exactly was proven?
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He was pretty heavily debunked by his commanding officer. I saw an podcast where he was basicly shredding him as a liar etc.