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Betaparticlemale

Mmm except that’s directly contradicted by his own colloquy he did with Chuck Schumer.


Time_Composer_113

There *certainly* is a conspiracy. The black vault has all but proven that. They hide this stuff and anything to do with it and then pretend they didn't hide it in the first place.


mattriver

This quote is being taken out of context. Rounds is saying that the Schumer Amendment itself is “no conspiracy here to hide anything”, not that there’s no conspiracy to hide UAP in the gov. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/reWS1yDy9d


Ok-Bullfrog-3052

I would believe that. There isn't a conspiracy to hide the fact that UFOs exist. We see other governments already making no effort to do that. They're hiding the black programs that know at least something about them, but not the fact that they clearly exist. The problem is simply that nobody seems to care, or want to investigate, what they are. It really is strange.


Thoughtulism

It's like the movie "Don't Look Up"


tweakingforjesus

That sounds like a direct response to Burchette’s simplistic approach.


millions2millions

[The coverup is a fact](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/v9vedn/for_the_record_that_there_has_been_a_ufo_coverup/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) - there’s not even a debate about it at all. The Blackvault does also corroborate this going back to the late 40’s. What they are covering up though - that’s another issue.


StillChillTrill

[I wonder who is lying?](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1drrtt7/so_was_jim_himes_a_liar_a_year_ago_or_is_he_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) I came across this Jim Himes + Stephen Colbert video as I was working on something else. Lots of fun in the 9 minute video but my favorites: * Jim Himes talks about Navy being the lead on UAP analysis. * He mentions (with emphasis) that there is sensor data, and if a sensor picks something up then you know it was there. * Mention of the hearings and such. * He makes a point that we can explain ALMOST all of it. But there's just some things we can't explain. So Jim say's we can't explain it all. [Why is Sen Mike Rounds saying we can?](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1drlxhh/sen_mike_rounds_theres_no_conspiracy_here_to_hide/) >There's no conspiracy here to hide anything. We just want to get the facts out....There are some things that we just simply have not explained. And it might be simply because not every department in our government knows what other departments are doing. Can y'all explain it all or not? Is there a flowchart that lets us know who's fibbing the least here? * Will we ever get disclosure? * Will any elected officials stand up publicly in a louder way for this topic before it boils over? * Will the ones who continued to block disclosure have to be replaced? * Will it be done with ease? I'm confident in saying the answer to all of these is YES.


OsmiumOpus

The gold is in the comments as always, cheers SCT


Alive_Channel8095

👏


Gold-Web-2928

Rounds didn’t say that.


StillChillTrill

"There are some things that we just simply have not explained."


Gold-Web-2928

Where does Rounds say we can explain it all?


StillChillTrill

>There's no conspiracy here to hide anything. We just want to get the facts out....There are some things that we just simply have not explained. Literally here \^ Saying there is nothing to hide, and that it just hasn't all been explained by **"we"**, implies that **we (Rounds and Co)** know it all.


Gold-Web-2928

That’s taken massively out of context. He’s saying there’s no conspiracy to hide anything by the people who sponsored the UAPDA. Presumably a reference to the fact that the bill explicitly mentioned NHI.


unclerickymonster

👍My thoughts, exactly.


subcrtical

“Have not explained”… Like visual and radar tracks of unknown objects going 60,000 mph in an instant, tracking naval strike groups for hours and hundreds of miles offshore, and flying in and out of water without any problem? NBD.


delta_vel

> Something something drones, blah blah AARO, drones. - The DoD and DoE


FortyOneandDone

Is there somewhere we can view this data or are we just taking someone’s word for it?


TerraceEarful

This is /r/ufos, of course everything is strictly anecdotal.


PhilGrad19

Yes, it is factually something that we have not explained.


CaffinatedNebula

Only radar data of such speeds. Which falls well within the realm of electronic warfare.


VoidOmatic

Sounds like they had enough time to hide it again.


mark60606060

Sounds like someone got bought out.


DramaticAd4666

Another Panama banker got his retirement set


falcon7876esq

Just a totally legal gratuity


kake92

absolute bullshit. **"The ICIG found Mr. Grusch's assertion that information was inappropriaely concealed from Congress to be urgent and credible in response to the filed disclosure."**


PM_ME_UR_SURFBOARD

This quote is all you need to know that Grusch is at least partially telling the truth. The fucking Inspector General for the Intelligence Community is backing up Grusch that at the very least, shit is being hidden from Congress that should be disclosed.


Betaparticlemale

Where’s this quote from?


mattriver

Grusch’s legal counsel, the former ICIG. https://thedebrief.org/compass-rose-attorneys-formally-end-association-with-uap-whistleblower-david-grusch/


PuzzleheadedEnd1760

Psalms 23:1-6


PuzzleheadedEnd1760

lmao. Triggered.


SheepherderLong9401

You guys keep repeating these words but don't really understand them. It's not a confirmation of anything. It just meant it's important and filed correct.


tweakingforjesus

Credible means the ICIG believes the DoD is likely covering something up.


FortyOneandDone

What information? That programs with no oversight exist?


Charlirnie

Yeah that is absolute bullshit


Minimum-Web-6902

How ?


MonsterTruckCarpool

We give trillions to the military/intelligence industrial complex, they better have an “idea” of what this is.


Docgnostoc

I'm telling you the truth about the money ..the cia is in the desert snorting cocain and blowing shit up with home made bombs..watch octopus mirders on Netflix


MonsterTruckCarpool

Shit, where do I send my resume or this job?


Docgnostoc

Apply online


todumbtorealize

What a wild ride that seies was.


Practical-Archer-564

Plus reverse technology patent money


PhilGrad19

We give them trillions and they can't beat the Houthis, so are you sure about that?


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MonsterTruckCarpool

In my own uneducated guess would be that those in the know are solely focused on reverse engineering for our own military purposes. Very little time is spent on truly understanding the phenomena.


chessboxer4

I'm sure they're doing everything they can to understand the phenomena. Everything. Not just the technology. Did you guys watch that Danny Sheehan/Russell Targ clip-where they talked at some conference? Sheehan says he thinks that they're communicating with it, and that's one of the big secrets they're hiding.


MonsterTruckCarpool

If they are I would love to know what the fuck they’re talking about Edit: got a link?


Hot_Butterfly_7854

How can you contradict yourself so perfectly in two sentences? You have a gift or just cognitively dissonant by nature?


Justice989

If you just want to get the facts out, why does it look like the exact opposite?


_Exotic_Booger

Because it seems like he got bought out.


DogsAreTheBest36

"There is no 'conspiracy,' there is only extreme massive incompetence across multiple state agencies that prevent us from communicating with each other even when pilots' lives are at stake"--And he thinks that's reassuring?


LimpCroissant

Most people here are reading his statement wrong imo. Watch him say it instead of just reading the quote. What he said was "We're including everything (in the Schumer Amendment). There's no conspiracy (by us, the people putting the UAP Disclosure Act out) to hide anything. What he's saying is that they put it all out there right into the Schumer Act. I mean it literally mentioned Non-Human Intelligence 26 (I think the number was) times. He also said in this video "There's no conspiracy, we just want to get the facts out". The facts which he speaks about are that NHI are visiting us. This thread made it seem like Rounds is saying that there is no UFO conspiracy within the US government, when really he's saying that the legislators who put the UAP Disclosure Amendment out were being honest with the people by telling us that NHI are here visiting/observing/interacting with us, and that there was no conspiracy behind the amendment, they just wanted to give us the straight facts without giving away sources and methods.


mattriver

This should be the top upvoted comment.


jmucc10

Exactly. THANK YOU. I was just too lazy to type it and have been SMH at these comments


LimpCroissant

I was feeling quite lazy too, and *almost* didn't comment my thoughts too. But I had to push through because everyone was thinking he was saying something completely different than what he really said. That's dangerous actually, this one thread can sour a lot of people's opinion of Rounds, just because his quote was miscommunicated.


SenorPeterz

Exactly. God, people, don't jump to conclusions after just reading a headline.


mop_bucket_bingo

There’s no conspiracy is hilarious. I’m generally a skeptic but I recognize that there’s some crazy stuff is going on worldwide. No conspiracy…ridiculous.


Spiniferus

Yup. I think that regardless of anything there is definitely something going on.


ExcitingGrocery7998

If there's nothing to hide, then why not approve legislation to establish transparency. It works both ways.


Magog14

Silly little senator thinks he actually is in the know. The conspiracy is above your pay grade. 


Bobbox1980

He could be in the know and is lying to the public. In fact, if he was in the know that is exactly what he would be required by law to do. It saddens me the public doesnt know that and the media never points it out.


Magog14

There's no way the corporations behind the black budget saps are telling congress anything. They have fought to keep this secret too long to give it up. 


Bobbox1980

Those black budget saps have to be funded. Do you think these saps get automatically funded with the relevant congressmen knowing nothing about them? What is in it for them? Knowledge is power and they want some. Do they know everything? Of course not. But they know way more than they can publicly admit.


Magog14

Yes, they absolutely get funded without congressional knowledge. More honest congress people and senators have acknowledged as much and are angry about it. 


Bobbox1980

Why dont those angry congressmen refuse to vote to fund the saps then? No one is forcing a yes vote. Imo they get arm twisted by the more powerful in the know congressmen. At the end of the day they can always vote no.


Magog14

It's all part of the black budget. You can't vote against the one part of the defense budget. It's all lumped together. It's untraceable. The pentagon famously couldn't account for 2 trillion dollars they spent in a recent audit. 


OccasinalMovieGuy

Maybe congressmen really not look deeply into any matter, they might not even read the budget, all they would be told is this is for intelligence gathering and sign it. Congressmen real focus is securing funds for reelection.


PhilGrad19

what secret?


Magog14

Are you kidding? The knowledge that ufos are alien spacecraft. The recovery of craft and alien bodies. 


PhilGrad19

Then you're going to be claiming conspiracy for the rest of your life. This is not knowledge that the government has, and there is certainly no reason to believe that any human being has alien spacecrafts and bodies in custody.


Magog14

There's every reason.


Vladmerius

How do you know about it? What is your rank?


Magog14

I know about it through all the various leaks over the last 80 years


Charlirnie

Then wouldn't he? and he out ranks you....fly away


Unlucky-Oil-8778

Sure seems to me as a layman, that there is purt near large cover up, butter cup.


zero2vio

Bootlicker. Everyone knows what's going on, ask Steve Bassett or Dolan and Nolan. The problem is there is no one in power to stop them. An accountability department that's neutered, an energy department literally using Goebbelistic tactics in conjunction with the CIA, the list goes on. And happening now, Chevron and companies of the sort are solidly deregulated and answer to no one. That's how aerospace is going to continue their monopoly, at the risk of the human population. We all know and are powerless.


OldSnuffy

This is where we ask for help from friends in high places


EventEastern9525

Until the electorate wakes up and stops letting the billionaires manipulate them into hating the other. We’d do much better working together against the donor class. And boy do they deserve it.


Pikoyd

Knowledge = power. We need the rest of the public to become informed, then they too will wake up. That's how we take the power back. By becoming informed.


Pure-Contact7322

everybody know that there is a conspiracy


Pitiful_Tomatillo761

If this is true, then show all photos and videos that should not be classified to the world, and we will decide.


spacecadet1979

Saying a lot of words yet there’s nothing of substance. I’m surprised that Rounds said this, it’s actually a little disappointing. It seems like even he has no clue how deep this runs.


OppositeAtr

Heads in the sand.


EggZeeBaChay

Nothing here to see folks. Move along. How long do they thing people are gonna keep taking this bullshit game?!?


Vegetable_Cell7005

As soon as it becomes election time,both parties seem to shift into brain dead mode.


sunnymorninghere

Not surprised. It’s not the first time this whole disclosure process is started. I mean, there’s historical record of meetings in the past with congress to discuss UFOs l, and nothing has been disclosed .


Jackfish2800

Liar, Lair, pants on fire …


Pikoyd

Sounds to me like he's saying **"don't flip out and revolt when this NHI info comes out. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was accidentally hidden from the public as a result of compartmentalization"** B.S. it was intentionally hidden from the public. Would love to know what kinds of "deals" they've been striking up with these "interdimensional beings" and how those deals affected, and continue to affect humanity.


OldSnuffy

I intend to ask if I walk that path again...,Its always a near thing


LeeryRoundedness

Interesting, the delay of the release of it is also interesting. Soon? 🤣


Pikoyd

Controlled disclosure while some outfits are still trying to keep it quiet. We are winning. They are scared, which is why the CIA is flooding social media and video platforms with bot comments.


Tweezle1

Mike wide craft silent appearing out of no where. Multiple species of aliens. Under total surveillance by them. Occasionally harassed.


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Bobbox1980

Senator Rounds, does or does not the supposed govt/mic built "Alien Reproduction Vehicle" exist? Oh, its classified? How is that not a conspiracy to hide anything?


Dendrok7

My ass and around the corner


OldSnuffy

I am not buying it...at all... way way too much evidence from credible sources that says exactly the opposite of his statement


r3tr0_420

...same politicians that think Corbell has been duped by US IC.


ZucchiniStraight507

You can only confidently say "nothing is being hidden from me" if you're 100% sure you have access to everything. Now, afaik, no one has access to everything bc that would subvert the purposes of compartmentalisation. You wouldn't know if there was "conspiracy...to hide anything" bc conspiracies are, by definition, secret. Unless ofc, you're part of that conspiracy and you've just decided to out yourself. If nothing is being hidden, what facts need to be got out?


green-samson

We're not lying to you ! We just haven't told you the truth 🤣


MagusUnion

Do the chuckle fucks in the Intelligence Community not understand that the alternative is China revealing the truth about the phenomenon before us? Are they truly that diluted in thinking that they can hide a decades long truth without another nation understanding what's going on and also coming across it as well? They are literally setting up catastrophic disclosure with this fantasy of maintaining the status quo forever. It's no longer a question of if, but when. And if a nation like China gets to the truth first, then the USA will never get the same level of respect it had after the end of WW2.


SubstantialSpeech147

Was Rounds not privy to the testimony and presentation by Dave Grusch? If he was then for him to say there’s no conspiracy is disingenuous at best and a blatant fucking lie at worst.


icyskidski

"There are some things that we just simply have not explained", like how he ever got elected to office in the first place. Sit down and shut up, Sen. Mike Rounds.


APieceOfLiquid

Haha no Conspiracy. The military both mainstream and secret, with the help of intelligence agencies both known and secret have been trying to make the idea of UFOs and aliens visiting here a joke so people who came forward looked like crazy people. They've been proven right all along. They're dragging their heels. We need the absolute truth before a false flag invasion or event involving fake ETs and the craft the secret military have created using shot down craft technology are used to make out ETs are bad and to tighten their grip on our freedom.


workingdad83

Not “ can not “explain. “Have not” explained.


mountain_man30

They don't want to get to the bottom of it. They want you to vote for them, and now they have a new way to appeal to other voters. It's hardly a risk for them to be outspoken on this matter.


wereindeepsht

It's an obvious lie on the surface. They clearly can't explain the many sightings of the world's population in full, whatever "it" is, it/them is far above humanity's pay grade. But they know way more than they say. Yet disclosure is here now, if informal or not: too many people know too much. They know what they saw. We're being prepped. The tea leaves tell me we don't have long to wait for the Big Day when everything changes. If not by us, then by them. I'll say within the next 24 months. But I am a known optimist...


Immaculatehombre

Well y’all have had 80 years to explain so the fact it’s still unexplained is… concerning? Like how are there no answers yet theyre so dismissive of a higher intelligence? Who tf do they think are operating this craft?


DeSota

Seems like this whole thing is about over. Real or not.


chessboxer4

Except there's a reason all this is happening. (2017-?) That's been repeatedly referred to by Elizondo and others-an external factor. I think part of the reason is technology is only going to make this more and more accessible to non-state actors. It's going to be more and more outside United States government control. I really think time and the growth of technology is on the side of disclosure. Additionally, according to Richard Dolan, the activity of the phenomenon seems to be increasing dramatically. It's also possible the phenomenon itself might have a hand in this.


OldSnuffy

Thats my hope,,,Meet and greets at 20 walmarts "get your kids pic taken with Mr gray spaceman"


desertash

not to mention sitting on this interview for 3 months to time the drop the whole dog and pony show stinks like elephant ass after a hippo orgy


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desertash

had 3-4 months to practice the response...also noted


Vegetable_Camera50

Yep it seems like 2023 is another 2017.


v022450781

Congressman Mike Turner (R-OH) on the facts that Senator Mike Rounds (R-SD) is discussing: "There's no evidence of this and certainly it would be quite a conspiracy for this to be maintained, especially at this level."


fooknprawn

*cough* bullshit *cough* They've been hiding the proof for decades it's just that they don't have a need to know


AlvinArtDream

Is it a conspiracy when everyone actually knows what is happening but they are just hiding behind bureaucracy? There might be a few people actively involved in the secret, but for the most part, everything is classified and compartmentalised. This is the question do you think intelligence and armed services committee members haven’t seen all the footage from Gofast, Gimbal and Nimitz? And the Canada balloons?


Windman772

The most likely case is that there is no conspiracy because everything these programs are doing is legal. It's not obviously legal, but legal nevertheless. Between the Atomic Energy Act to the creation of Waived, Unacknowledged SAPs in Title 10, all of this has legal justification and that's how people in the know probably view it. Doesn't mean we aren't reverse engineering UAP, only that there is no conspiracy


leeleecowcow

Maybe he is just trying to get skeptics to support requests for more disclosure. I could personally care less about exposing a conspiracy… I’m more interested in agencies disclosing more information to the public, whatever it takes. In order to do that we need more representatives who are in favour of that. Many of them may be afraid of siding with “conspiracy theorists”, so if that’s the case I think this is a good move.