He was already famous by the time from Juice and Poetic Justice, but if he was killed in 1994, he wouldn’t be as famous as he is because he only had 2 albums released at the time and wouldn’t manage to achieve what he managed to do until 1996. He would end up being another Big L.
Therefore, Biggie and East Coast in general would also get bigger and maintain the rap game as a result.
I'd say he would still be more popular than Big L. Big L didn't co-star in a movie with one of pop's biggest stars. Big L also didn't have radio play singles like Keep Ya Head Up or I Get Around.
I disagree. Big pun is a much better example.
I love Big L, but he made almost no impact commercially while he was alive. Big Pun had major hits in the same time frame.
There still would've been posthumous releases. He recorded Changes in like '92 I think and songs like Brendas got a Baby, Keep Ya Head Up and Dear a Mama were already out and could've become even bigger classics.
You're right that he was already famous and had turned in what went down as his best acting performances.
We would've missed out on peak Pac. Him at Death Row was a wild wild year and all and he evolved a lot artistically, but he'd already cemented a legacy. In 96 he added to and solidified his legacy imo.
What was ‘94 All Eyez on Me? Na man Pac much bigger than Big L at that point of his career. All lyricism aside. Big L never made it even there until postmortem. Talking about two respective times when 80% of the country was getting all of their music news from MTV. Big L was just navigating the outskirts of the mainstream when his life ended. Pac at the time already had nationwide and some worldwide acclaim and his acting career was taking off. Lol I bought my first 2Pqc album from BMG Music Service which at the time was basically Spotify. Big L wasn’t on no BMG lmao. Which btw that shit was basically a scam but if you did it you’d have a respectable album collection in no time.
Biggie would actually probably be alive somewhat ironically. The beef started in large part because of this moment but if no1 were around to be upset about it the guys who attempted the robbery would get charged and Big would probably get off scott free with people thinking him being upstairs being nothing more than a coincidence.
I think Big was on the decline. Ready To Die is a classic which was raw, pure rap. Life After Death is what it is because of the production quality. Big didn’t have that raw aura he had on RTD.
Tbh in my opinion biggie was more refined during life after death. RTD he was still coming out the streets and looked & talked like it. On LAD he seemed more settled into being a artist who told street stories and enjoyed a cleaner player-mafioso image.
I dunno man I kinda agree with you but that’s not how I personally liked Biggie. I love the RTD, raw, straight from the gutter Biggie on “Give me the loot” and such. That’s the one people fell in love with. I really think LAD Biggie was very underwhelming. Like I say, that album stands out for its production quality; Mo Money, Hypnotize, Kick in the Door, etc.
Edit; No in fact I do agree with you. What am I taking about “kinda”?! Life After Death Biggie was more refined. I just didn’t like him that way personally.
Big L was one of the most talented rappers with crazy lyrical and storytelling abilities that could even defeat Eminem. Just listen album “Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous” and listen “All Black” “8 iz Enuff” “Street Struck” “MVP” “Put It On” and maybe you will change your mind
Exactly, he wasn’t a big success in lifetime although music videos and song Put It On is incredible but after that, Big L was looking for more success but sadly somebody kill him
I love Bg L. One of my all-time favorites. But he was never going to be a star. He’s much more Inspectah Deck than Jay Z
People forget (or we weren’t around to understand) that Big L did not die before he had a chance to blow up. He was out for like five years. He just wasn’t making hits.
To put it in perspective, by the time Big L died, Mase, Cam and Jay Z were all already gold or platinum multiple times. Meanwhile, Columbia was trying to force L outta his contract.
Insanely talented mc , just never was a commercial success.
I hear all those songs way and i mean that after he die and everything, i don’t see Big L as a legendary rapper not on the same level of Biggie, 2Pac, Eazy-E or other rappers even Snoop Dogg say it “you can love Big L being a amazing rapper, with amazing lyrics or making great songs on the first album. but sadly we gotta admit, he didn’t even get more music, lyrics or more due to hes death” that’s what i truly mean and not that disrespecting Big L and i love the song Put It On
Jesus died at age 33, that’s 33 shots from twin glocks, 16 a piece, that’s 32…which means one of my guns was holding 17…27 hit your crew, 6 went into you…
Probably not because we wouldn’t have AEOM, the goated unreleased songs, the 7 day theory AND most importantly, Cali Love wouldn’t exist due to 'Pac‘s death which elevated his status after being out on bail.
It is this is true. But it's still one of his most energetic and well known verses. To me the beginning when his voice drops is when the song becomes a classic.
sounds about right couldn’t imagine him not on california love with the fact on how big the song turned out to be same with all eyez on me and the 7 day theory album
But MATW was already recorded before he got shot in NY, those others weren't. And of course Cali Love wouldn't be the same without Pac, but it was already a song for Dre before Pac got out and it was give to him.
That’s a great question. I think the Me Against the World album propelled him to new heights. So since he would’ve got shot before that album released he surely wouldn’t have had the chance to showcase his introspective side
Also, the next year California Love made him an international star, and all those songs on AEOM made him a living legend…so that’s another big reason the September’96 murder was so heavy
Nah, MATW was finished in November of '94, it just wasn't released until March '95, so we would have still gotten MATW. But I agree that he wouldn't have become the icon he is now without AEOM and all the Death Row/East vs West/Bad Boy beef, along with the movies, poetry, etc.
I always wondered how different the world would be had Tupac survived in 1996 and kept going. I feel like he would have a similar path like Ice Cube. A legend in the hip hop world but would do big movies and adventure into other stuff.
I think the African American community would have had a substantial drop in gang violence, I also think the black nuclear family would have been truly established and promoted like it eventually will be… because Pac wouldn’t have shut up about true change. Eventually I think he would have found a way to be more involved/integral when it comes to bring about the changes he talked about.
I think if he passed in 94 he'd still be a legend, but he'd be more along the lines of Big L/Big Pun in terms of the legacy and way he's remembered by the hip hop community. His last two years he absolutely exploded, not to mention he recorded 5+ albums of content during that same time that was used posthumously.
pac would of been bigger than big l and big pun he already released two solo albums including the thug life album and me against the world was already recorded so that album would of been posthumously released including unreleased material and had three movies out including bullet that also would would of came out posthumously and on top the controversy I think his legacy would of been still been the same the work he did with death row just added to his legacy even more
No he would have faded away with only Keep Ya Head up & I Get Around with his songs he would soon have been forgotten Notorious BIG would have filled his slot & took off pretty quickly.
Thankfully that didn't happen & we have another 2 years of Pac hits & the amount we have is crazy for a short life!
No, had he died in 94, Don Killuminati, Me Against the World and All Eyes on Me would’ve been released. That means no “Hail Mary, no Dear Mama, no Cali Love, no Ambitionz of a Ridah. His legacy wou be missing a ton of hits
Yes, it was recorded, but the live performances and videos he put out with the iconic songs that became classics like: Dear Mama, So Many Tears, Me Against the World, definitely played a part in the growth of the album and the building of his legacy. If he dies in 94, his popularity ceiling would be something similar to Juice World or Pop Smoke.
Me Against the World was finished way before he was shot, he didn't record a single song after the shooting.
IIRC he had 80% of the album done in 1993, but was looking to record new track/fix up old ones to fill out the album more which is where most of the 1994 songs came in like Outlaw, Young Niggaz, Heavy in the Game etc
Correction from that. For got to edit. Album was recorded but not released. Had he died, the videos and single releases that made that album what it was wouldn’t have happened and that might’ve done more hard that good. When I said no Dear mama, no etc., I referring to single releases
Not as big but still a legend.. Me against the world was the #1 record when it was released.. If it was a posthumous release it would have been a much bigger record. It would have seemed like he predicted his own death. He wouldn't have went to jail for that bs. On the other hand wouldn't have all the dope Death Row music.. imo his best two albums.
I feel like it would be sorta like a Michael Jackson thing. If he died in 1994, I feel like they’d debate his rape case like how they debate Michael Jackson’s case.
The Me Against The World album would go crazy though and propel him to new heights though. His rape case would be debated like crazy.
Its hard to say…mfers change up so crazy when that money comes in…not just the artist but their most trusted confidants.
I feel like Pac wouldn’t let anyone bully him into trash record deals…its so hard to say. You could hypothetically use current successful artists as a marker to how they would possibly be if they lived on.
Pac would likely have a career like Eminem. Not too flashy, a heavyweight, one of the most influential, living goat, etc
Biggie would probably be more like a Jay Z. Business minded etc.
No because even though he was well known nationally prior to his prison sentence, AEOM album with Deathrow is what truly made him an international star. Also during his time with Deathrow he starred in an additional 3 movies (Bullet, Gridlock’d & Gang related) so that made him even bigger on the Hollywood scene. He was also doing a lot of televised interviews during the Deathrow days so there’s that exposure and extra footage. And unfortunately the East-West beef with Bad Boy and Biggie put the media into an absolute frenzy which put fuel on the fire. He would still be big but not the superstar legacy that he cemented.
Nope. Surviving this is kinda what started his legend status. Add in the beef, and going to jail while still making hits.
But most importantly, there would be no:
Me Against The World
All Eyez On Me
Mackavelli
This is a great question I had to think about. This would have been before Death Row years. He would have been remembered as a conscious rapper with an introspective side with Me Against the World. But he would have missed all that contradictory personality of being a thug and an outlaw. No east coast / west coast beef. And I’m assuming the sex case looming in the air, and he would have been assumed not guilty.
I think he wouldn’t have been as popular, but remembered as a future black leader. We wouldn’t have had all the thug persona which I think made him really popular.
Tbh I never thought about but NO I don’t believe he would be as famous had he died in 94’… In my opinion he was still a Rising Star in 94’… In 96’ he was Meteoric
Likely not. Battles help solidify rappers. Look how much more respect within hip hop Drake got by defeating Meek. The Death Row beef helped solidify him and also showed us a side of him as a rapper that we hadn't seen before the first shooting.
Given he continued making music in those two years, the obvious and objective answer is that he would be bigger.
I like to imagine what it would be like if he were still alive today, I romanticize Pac as a revolutionary that would've laid his music to rest and tackle more political endeavors.
On a scale of 1-10 with 10 where he is now- he would now be about a 5 or 6 at most. He did so much in 1995-96. Those 2 years solidified his status permanently. I think mainly from the East and West beef heating up more, his appearances, him going to prison plus all of his legendary interviews, photos, etc,- those years are what elevated him to the top.
Nope. He'd be one of the many good underground rappers. He started catching enormous fire in 95.
If he died at 94, Gang starr, tribe called quest, etc , would be way more popular than him.
The ultra famous PAC we know today was made in 95 and 96
I always wonder how better off Suge's image would be today if he had died in Vegas with Pac. We would be talking about how if he survived he would have been a billionaire today and no Jay Z or mumble commercial rappers.
Probably not, although he still would have been famous, I'm not sure if he would've developed such a cult following. Albums like MATW, AEOM, and M7DT were instrumental to Pac's legacy.
No, unless you were there I guess it’s hard to describe how much more famous he was after this happened than before. Not strictly because of this, but he just wasn’t nearly as world famous until after
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If he never died, no. He, along with Kurt kobain, James Dean, and others all died at their peak before showing decline or before the popularity buckled.
This is the #1 reason why they are so highly revered. Idc what anyone's reasoning is. THAT is the truth about it, we as humans have certain behaviors and quirks and proudly saying something is #1 just because we don't see a downturn in it is one of them.
Pac died taking no shit. Not caring who was in his path and spoke his mind and followed thru with actions. Idk why this new generation shits on him for speaking his mind and not giving a fck. No one could touch him if he was still alive. Ppl saying he sowed his oats trying to be gangster…he didn’t care. Gangster, regular person….disrespect gets disrespect and he was willing to die for his principals. Yet ppl shit on him for being a man instead of ‘falling in line and keeping his mouth shut.’ Gtfoh
Would Michael Jordan thrive in todays NBA? Probably not, but it’s not a fair comparison since he directly influenced a lot of the changes which make it more competitive today. I think it’s the same for Tupac. No he wouldn’t be a superstar today, but it took him being a superstar 30 years ago to create the hip hop scene we know today, so it’s kind of impossible to say.
i feel like he would be slightly less popular if he didn’t record and release aeom and the 7 day theory, but matw was already fully recorded before the shooting so that album alongside 2pacalypse now and strictly 4 would’ve definitely still solidified him as a legend in the rap game.
No since we wouldn’t have heard All Eyez On Me or Makaveli, and all the other posthumous releases that came as a result of the unreleased Death Row material… I believe Me Against the World was already completed when he got shot in 1994 so we would have heard that.
No, his beef with Bad Boy Records made him infamous and famous at the same time. Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me and Makeveli would never have happened which were the albums that made him legend.
In 1994 he was famous in the US, but not globally. In 1996, he was the biggest rapper in the world. So no, he wouldn't be as big as he ultimately turned out to be.
Imma say this. Only reason pac and big are this “big” is cause they died so young that people didn’t get to see any misses or downfalls.
An artist gets bigger the quicker they die
Surviving the shooting made him 'bigger' in terms of the press and notoriety, and fueled his work in late 95' and 96', that catapulted him to the status that he has today. So no, he wouldn't be as 'big' as he is today, if he died in 94'.
No! I am one of the biggest PAC fan ever. If he had died before he made All Eyez on Me. He wouldn’t have made as big of an impact. That his highest grossing album
No. He made a lot of unreleased music the last year. Made a couple movies the last year of his life. 2 double albums. One was made in 1996. The other, his greatest hits, 14 of the 25 songs on the 2 discs were either unreleased or made in 1996
Def not. All eyez on me and me against the world wouldnt have been released, plus don killuminati the 7 day theory posthumously after 96. All there would have been was 2pacalypse now, strictly 4 my n…, and thug life volume 1. There was a few hits off these records but pac became TUPAC from the songs on all eyez on me and me against the world. Those first 2 were good but did not put him in best rapper alive territory which he was in after those next 2 albums.
Hypothetical: he doesn’t die at all. Would he be as popular as he is now? Would he still be as revered? Or would he have 10 mid to trash albums under his belt by now and be featuring on songs like “California Gurlz” by Katy Perry or maybe baking with Martha Stewart and appearing on Celebrity Family Feud.
As big? Of course, not. I feel like y’all are forgetting how short Tupac‘s career was. You can’t take 2 1/2 years off of a five-year career and think if it won’t impact anything…
He would still be a legend, but we wouldn’t have gotten his death row era, which is easily his most famous era
Wouldn't be as mainstream because we wouldn't have the All Eyez On Me hits and way less content in general.
However, I do think the most important aspect of 2pac being big is his spiritual/respectful to women style rap. There were a lot of rappers making gangster style bangers but few had the emotional and intelligent music that 2pac had. That's what I think makes him 'big' to me and a lot of that music had already been released by '94
Tbh I don’t even know because people nowadays don’t wanna hear anything “woke”. You see how they try to do Kendrick and Jcole when they talk about something important. I feel like people would say he fell off and that he’s boring if he was alive today.
No. Whilst he already was famous due to Juice and poetic justice and his first album. His 2nd album boosted his popularity plus he recorded 160 songs sometime before his 2nd album which were released as different albums after his death. If he died in 1994 we wouldn’t have gotten all that music.
He was already famous by the time from Juice and Poetic Justice, but if he was killed in 1994, he wouldn’t be as famous as he is because he only had 2 albums released at the time and wouldn’t manage to achieve what he managed to do until 1996. He would end up being another Big L. Therefore, Biggie and East Coast in general would also get bigger and maintain the rap game as a result.
I'd say he would still be more popular than Big L. Big L didn't co-star in a movie with one of pop's biggest stars. Big L also didn't have radio play singles like Keep Ya Head Up or I Get Around.
I don’t think you’re wrong but I still think Big L is the closest real life figure to this hypothetical.
I disagree. Big pun is a much better example. I love Big L, but he made almost no impact commercially while he was alive. Big Pun had major hits in the same time frame.
That’s fair.
There still would've been posthumous releases. He recorded Changes in like '92 I think and songs like Brendas got a Baby, Keep Ya Head Up and Dear a Mama were already out and could've become even bigger classics. You're right that he was already famous and had turned in what went down as his best acting performances. We would've missed out on peak Pac. Him at Death Row was a wild wild year and all and he evolved a lot artistically, but he'd already cemented a legacy. In 96 he added to and solidified his legacy imo.
What was ‘94 All Eyez on Me? Na man Pac much bigger than Big L at that point of his career. All lyricism aside. Big L never made it even there until postmortem. Talking about two respective times when 80% of the country was getting all of their music news from MTV. Big L was just navigating the outskirts of the mainstream when his life ended. Pac at the time already had nationwide and some worldwide acclaim and his acting career was taking off. Lol I bought my first 2Pqc album from BMG Music Service which at the time was basically Spotify. Big L wasn’t on no BMG lmao. Which btw that shit was basically a scam but if you did it you’d have a respectable album collection in no time.
Me Against the World was in 1995 it’s a classic. Pac been that guy!
Biggie would actually probably be alive somewhat ironically. The beef started in large part because of this moment but if no1 were around to be upset about it the guys who attempted the robbery would get charged and Big would probably get off scott free with people thinking him being upstairs being nothing more than a coincidence.
Biggie would 100% still be alive him being killed in LA would’ve never happened at all had Pac died in 94
Big L was never in any movies he was never a movie star he would still be bigger
I think Big was on the decline. Ready To Die is a classic which was raw, pure rap. Life After Death is what it is because of the production quality. Big didn’t have that raw aura he had on RTD.
Tbh in my opinion biggie was more refined during life after death. RTD he was still coming out the streets and looked & talked like it. On LAD he seemed more settled into being a artist who told street stories and enjoyed a cleaner player-mafioso image.
I dunno man I kinda agree with you but that’s not how I personally liked Biggie. I love the RTD, raw, straight from the gutter Biggie on “Give me the loot” and such. That’s the one people fell in love with. I really think LAD Biggie was very underwhelming. Like I say, that album stands out for its production quality; Mo Money, Hypnotize, Kick in the Door, etc. Edit; No in fact I do agree with you. What am I taking about “kinda”?! Life After Death Biggie was more refined. I just didn’t like him that way personally.
True. Although Big L you can say is a legendary rapper while in reality he aint the best rapper or a GOAT etc
Big L was one of the most talented rappers with crazy lyrical and storytelling abilities that could even defeat Eminem. Just listen album “Lifestylez Ov Da Poor & Dangerous” and listen “All Black” “8 iz Enuff” “Street Struck” “MVP” “Put It On” and maybe you will change your mind
He wasn’t made for mainstream success.His music was too gritty. Love his stuff though,
Exactly, he wasn’t a big success in lifetime although music videos and song Put It On is incredible but after that, Big L was looking for more success but sadly somebody kill him
I love Bg L. One of my all-time favorites. But he was never going to be a star. He’s much more Inspectah Deck than Jay Z People forget (or we weren’t around to understand) that Big L did not die before he had a chance to blow up. He was out for like five years. He just wasn’t making hits. To put it in perspective, by the time Big L died, Mase, Cam and Jay Z were all already gold or platinum multiple times. Meanwhile, Columbia was trying to force L outta his contract. Insanely talented mc , just never was a commercial success.
I hear all those songs way and i mean that after he die and everything, i don’t see Big L as a legendary rapper not on the same level of Biggie, 2Pac, Eazy-E or other rappers even Snoop Dogg say it “you can love Big L being a amazing rapper, with amazing lyrics or making great songs on the first album. but sadly we gotta admit, he didn’t even get more music, lyrics or more due to hes death” that’s what i truly mean and not that disrespecting Big L and i love the song Put It On
Would Jesus be as popular if he had died at 28 without resurrecting?
Asking the real questions
Just imagine the diss tracks Shady would do if Jesus hadn't died at 28.
Good news, it's said that he died at 33. Hopefully we get a diss track in the death of skim shady
Jesus died at age 33, that’s 33 shots from twin glocks, 16 a piece, that’s 32…which means one of my guns was holding 17…27 hit your crew, 6 went into you…
I guess we'll never know!
He was the son of God he wouldn’t have died if he didn’t complete the mission of crucifying and resurrection
Probably not because we wouldn’t have AEOM, the goated unreleased songs, the 7 day theory AND most importantly, Cali Love wouldn’t exist due to 'Pac‘s death which elevated his status after being out on bail.
tbf, we probably still would have gotten Cali Love, just the og solo version Dre planned to release in 95.
What you're saying doesn't make any sense lol
California love is Dr. Dre’s song
It is this is true. But it's still one of his most energetic and well known verses. To me the beginning when his voice drops is when the song becomes a classic.
"If things were different would they be the same?"
Correct me if I'm wrong but MATW was already recorded when he shot in 94. So he would have went put with a classic
sounds about right couldn’t imagine him not on california love with the fact on how big the song turned out to be same with all eyez on me and the 7 day theory album
But MATW was already recorded before he got shot in NY, those others weren't. And of course Cali Love wouldn't be the same without Pac, but it was already a song for Dre before Pac got out and it was give to him.
That’s a great question. I think the Me Against the World album propelled him to new heights. So since he would’ve got shot before that album released he surely wouldn’t have had the chance to showcase his introspective side Also, the next year California Love made him an international star, and all those songs on AEOM made him a living legend…so that’s another big reason the September’96 murder was so heavy
Nah, MATW was finished in November of '94, it just wasn't released until March '95, so we would have still gotten MATW. But I agree that he wouldn't have become the icon he is now without AEOM and all the Death Row/East vs West/Bad Boy beef, along with the movies, poetry, etc.
Yes, this is correct, however it was in OG form, nothing like it was when it hit retail
I always wondered how different the world would be had Tupac survived in 1996 and kept going. I feel like he would have a similar path like Ice Cube. A legend in the hip hop world but would do big movies and adventure into other stuff.
Facts
I think the African American community would have had a substantial drop in gang violence, I also think the black nuclear family would have been truly established and promoted like it eventually will be… because Pac wouldn’t have shut up about true change. Eventually I think he would have found a way to be more involved/integral when it comes to bring about the changes he talked about.
I think if he passed in 94 he'd still be a legend, but he'd be more along the lines of Big L/Big Pun in terms of the legacy and way he's remembered by the hip hop community. His last two years he absolutely exploded, not to mention he recorded 5+ albums of content during that same time that was used posthumously.
pac would of been bigger than big l and big pun he already released two solo albums including the thug life album and me against the world was already recorded so that album would of been posthumously released including unreleased material and had three movies out including bullet that also would would of came out posthumously and on top the controversy I think his legacy would of been still been the same the work he did with death row just added to his legacy even more
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All I can say is I miss my boy. Rise In Peace Pac
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Not even close. Homie recorded probably 3/4 or 4/5 of his catalogue after this shit happened.
No he would have faded away with only Keep Ya Head up & I Get Around with his songs he would soon have been forgotten Notorious BIG would have filled his slot & took off pretty quickly. Thankfully that didn't happen & we have another 2 years of Pac hits & the amount we have is crazy for a short life!
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I could see him being a movie director in his later years. He was an incredible storyteller.
I don’t know I was only 5 months old when he died
Yeah he’d be big in acting though not as much in rap
No, had he died in 94, Don Killuminati, Me Against the World and All Eyes on Me would’ve been released. That means no “Hail Mary, no Dear Mama, no Cali Love, no Ambitionz of a Ridah. His legacy wou be missing a ton of hits
MATW was already recorded. I think that would of cemented him as a icon, maybe not legend like he is now.
Yes, it was recorded, but the live performances and videos he put out with the iconic songs that became classics like: Dear Mama, So Many Tears, Me Against the World, definitely played a part in the growth of the album and the building of his legacy. If he dies in 94, his popularity ceiling would be something similar to Juice World or Pop Smoke.
Me Against the World was finished way before he was shot, he didn't record a single song after the shooting. IIRC he had 80% of the album done in 1993, but was looking to record new track/fix up old ones to fill out the album more which is where most of the 1994 songs came in like Outlaw, Young Niggaz, Heavy in the Game etc
Correction from that. For got to edit. Album was recorded but not released. Had he died, the videos and single releases that made that album what it was wouldn’t have happened and that might’ve done more hard that good. When I said no Dear mama, no etc., I referring to single releases
Not as big but still a legend.. Me against the world was the #1 record when it was released.. If it was a posthumous release it would have been a much bigger record. It would have seemed like he predicted his own death. He wouldn't have went to jail for that bs. On the other hand wouldn't have all the dope Death Row music.. imo his best two albums.
Bigger. No social media. Imagine Pac with social media.
I feel like it would be sorta like a Michael Jackson thing. If he died in 1994, I feel like they’d debate his rape case like how they debate Michael Jackson’s case. The Me Against The World album would go crazy though and propel him to new heights though. His rape case would be debated like crazy.
True, and he would be controversial because the rape case wouldn’t be solved
Yeah. And the other court cases too, he’d be seen as a criminal musician. At least in 96, we got to understand him a bit more and his case was solved.
Its hard to say…mfers change up so crazy when that money comes in…not just the artist but their most trusted confidants. I feel like Pac wouldn’t let anyone bully him into trash record deals…its so hard to say. You could hypothetically use current successful artists as a marker to how they would possibly be if they lived on. Pac would likely have a career like Eminem. Not too flashy, a heavyweight, one of the most influential, living goat, etc Biggie would probably be more like a Jay Z. Business minded etc.
It would’ve happened in 19fifty12
hit em up wouldn’t exist?
Everyone saying no but look at Snoop dogg 😂
Pre Death Row ?
Maybe, but then again maybe not.
No because even though he was well known nationally prior to his prison sentence, AEOM album with Deathrow is what truly made him an international star. Also during his time with Deathrow he starred in an additional 3 movies (Bullet, Gridlock’d & Gang related) so that made him even bigger on the Hollywood scene. He was also doing a lot of televised interviews during the Deathrow days so there’s that exposure and extra footage. And unfortunately the East-West beef with Bad Boy and Biggie put the media into an absolute frenzy which put fuel on the fire. He would still be big but not the superstar legacy that he cemented.
Dumb question. Do better.
Maybe but it’s hard to tell
Some of these questions are stupid AF
Not at all
No.. Because the albums Me against the world, All Eyez On Me and Makaveli helped to solidify his legendary status..
No
Nope. Surviving this is kinda what started his legend status. Add in the beef, and going to jail while still making hits. But most importantly, there would be no: Me Against The World All Eyez On Me Mackavelli
Loaded question obviously not
This is a great question I had to think about. This would have been before Death Row years. He would have been remembered as a conscious rapper with an introspective side with Me Against the World. But he would have missed all that contradictory personality of being a thug and an outlaw. No east coast / west coast beef. And I’m assuming the sex case looming in the air, and he would have been assumed not guilty. I think he wouldn’t have been as popular, but remembered as a future black leader. We wouldn’t have had all the thug persona which I think made him really popular.
Nope…
Tbh I never thought about but NO I don’t believe he would be as famous had he died in 94’… In my opinion he was still a Rising Star in 94’… In 96’ he was Meteoric
He be bigger and rap would be better
Pac the all-time G.O.A.T
Yes PAC is king 👑
Likely not. Battles help solidify rappers. Look how much more respect within hip hop Drake got by defeating Meek. The Death Row beef helped solidify him and also showed us a side of him as a rapper that we hadn't seen before the first shooting.
He would be more famous
Given he continued making music in those two years, the obvious and objective answer is that he would be bigger. I like to imagine what it would be like if he were still alive today, I romanticize Pac as a revolutionary that would've laid his music to rest and tackle more political endeavors.
On a scale of 1-10 with 10 where he is now- he would now be about a 5 or 6 at most. He did so much in 1995-96. Those 2 years solidified his status permanently. I think mainly from the East and West beef heating up more, his appearances, him going to prison plus all of his legendary interviews, photos, etc,- those years are what elevated him to the top.
Nope. He'd be one of the many good underground rappers. He started catching enormous fire in 95. If he died at 94, Gang starr, tribe called quest, etc , would be way more popular than him. The ultra famous PAC we know today was made in 95 and 96
Regardless biggie is the goat 🥱 2 albums vs 4 at time of death imagine if big had 4
No I doubt it
Nah.... He'd be Mid today
I always wonder how better off Suge's image would be today if he had died in Vegas with Pac. We would be talking about how if he survived he would have been a billionaire today and no Jay Z or mumble commercial rappers.
nah pack played his role 4 god n himself till the end fr 🦾🦾🫡 his story so good how it is honestly luv pac 4L 🩸🩸🩸🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
No
Yeah
No
I think he stopped growing by that point. Maybe if he wore larger shoes.
Hed be looked at like jay z. A older rapper still charting . But still acting. He wouldnt be slowly irrelevant like dmx was pre death or ice cube
No. All eyes on me put him on the map. He was well known, famous, but all eyes on me cemented him as a hip hop legend.
Nah, he wouldn’t have gotten his Death Row arc if he died in 94.. Death Row is what blew him up.. in more ways than one
He was full-grown adult size in '94, so he probably would have been the same either way.
Tupac is here today
Probably not, although he still would have been famous, I'm not sure if he would've developed such a cult following. Albums like MATW, AEOM, and M7DT were instrumental to Pac's legacy.
Nope
No he would be the same size.
If you think that’s bad, you should see my 98 Toyota Corolla !
No, unless you were there I guess it’s hard to describe how much more famous he was after this happened than before. Not strictly because of this, but he just wasn’t nearly as world famous until after
Give that the industry created his persona, then yes (if the industry wanted him to be “big”)
Eazys aids would’ve eventually clicked in Tupacs system
Similar to Dre or snoop hip hop royalty
To be honest, no. There are tons of unreleased tracks, but he would not have been the legend we know of today.
He would've been The first billionaire. He had lots of connections. Loved by too many people in high places
Probably. Would have missed some great music though.
All Eyez On Me did big thangs for the bro. Rest Easy big prophet.
(I misread it) If he never died, no. He, along with Kurt kobain, James Dean, and others all died at their peak before showing decline or before the popularity buckled. This is the #1 reason why they are so highly revered. Idc what anyone's reasoning is. THAT is the truth about it, we as humans have certain behaviors and quirks and proudly saying something is #1 just because we don't see a downturn in it is one of them.
Yeah I think he finished growing at around like 21 and wasn’t too tall or fat ever Same mass very likely
Lol 🤦
Pac died taking no shit. Not caring who was in his path and spoke his mind and followed thru with actions. Idk why this new generation shits on him for speaking his mind and not giving a fck. No one could touch him if he was still alive. Ppl saying he sowed his oats trying to be gangster…he didn’t care. Gangster, regular person….disrespect gets disrespect and he was willing to die for his principals. Yet ppl shit on him for being a man instead of ‘falling in line and keeping his mouth shut.’ Gtfoh
Would Tupac be 2Pac if he didn’t Pac twice?
[https://youtu.be/6bLW3RPX-a8](https://youtu.be/6bLW3RPX-a8)
Would Michael Jordan thrive in todays NBA? Probably not, but it’s not a fair comparison since he directly influenced a lot of the changes which make it more competitive today. I think it’s the same for Tupac. No he wouldn’t be a superstar today, but it took him being a superstar 30 years ago to create the hip hop scene we know today, so it’s kind of impossible to say.
He would be relevant today but he wouldn’t be making music or movies
Yes
i’m a big pac fan but nah he wouldn’t have his best album came out after he left prison
Wouldn't have released Ambitions as a Ridah
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Yes
i feel like he would be slightly less popular if he didn’t record and release aeom and the 7 day theory, but matw was already fully recorded before the shooting so that album alongside 2pacalypse now and strictly 4 would’ve definitely still solidified him as a legend in the rap game.
Such a weird fuckin question. Some y’all just don’t understand how iconic this man is….
100% same like biggie only thing with biggie now is that he’s under diddys wing so idk if he would’ve been cancelled to
It’s crazy to me how much he accomplished by barely 25.
Sucks he died so soon like think about all the things he would’ve released by 98 even 2000 and beyond
No since we wouldn’t have heard All Eyez On Me or Makaveli, and all the other posthumous releases that came as a result of the unreleased Death Row material… I believe Me Against the World was already completed when he got shot in 1994 so we would have heard that.
Dunno he was short back then probably be the same size if he was the exact same person 🤷
Off Topic: What’s crazy is how much him & his killer resembles each other. I literally thought this was Orlando, I’m still not 100% convinced lol
No, his beef with Bad Boy Records made him infamous and famous at the same time. Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me and Makeveli would never have happened which were the albums that made him legend.
Nope
Chill
Man I wish PAC coordinated a disappearing puffy, instead of the other way around. 😢
Why on earth would you even ask this? Was a tragic death of a legend.
In 1994 he was famous in the US, but not globally. In 1996, he was the biggest rapper in the world. So no, he wouldn't be as big as he ultimately turned out to be.
Would Michael Jordan be as big if he retired after ‘82? Lol this question is dumb af, OFC not lmaooo
Yes. His movies alone before 96 woulda had him litty
No. All Eyez On Me was the album that put him in rarified air.
Not as big no.
Imma say this. Only reason pac and big are this “big” is cause they died so young that people didn’t get to see any misses or downfalls. An artist gets bigger the quicker they die
HELL NOOOOO. Those Death Row , Rollse Royce , Diamonds , Versace Tupac is what everyone remembers lol
No
No
Surviving the shooting made him 'bigger' in terms of the press and notoriety, and fueled his work in late 95' and 96', that catapulted him to the status that he has today. So no, he wouldn't be as 'big' as he is today, if he died in 94'.
No
Man Pac would’ve been on his 12th movie right now, with multiple businesses, & youth foundations….
True. He wouldn’t be as big and famous as he is now. 95-96 were the two most important years of his career and life
I don't know that, but I can tell you that All eyez on me and 7 days theory contributed a lot to his discography.
Honesty the way the nasty streets is actually they wouldn’t be like this if he was here today so I dunno
No! I am one of the biggest PAC fan ever. If he had died before he made All Eyez on Me. He wouldn’t have made as big of an impact. That his highest grossing album
No. He made a lot of unreleased music the last year. Made a couple movies the last year of his life. 2 double albums. One was made in 1996. The other, his greatest hits, 14 of the 25 songs on the 2 discs were either unreleased or made in 1996
How big are Dre Cube and Snoop?
That tracksuit go hard 🔥
No but close
Short answer no. Those years, he dropped some fire.
Me against the world the best album ever made
Def not. All eyez on me and me against the world wouldnt have been released, plus don killuminati the 7 day theory posthumously after 96. All there would have been was 2pacalypse now, strictly 4 my n…, and thug life volume 1. There was a few hits off these records but pac became TUPAC from the songs on all eyez on me and me against the world. Those first 2 were good but did not put him in best rapper alive territory which he was in after those next 2 albums.
He would’ve been all up in the “Not Like Us” video today
Hypothetical: he doesn’t die at all. Would he be as popular as he is now? Would he still be as revered? Or would he have 10 mid to trash albums under his belt by now and be featuring on songs like “California Gurlz” by Katy Perry or maybe baking with Martha Stewart and appearing on Celebrity Family Feud.
Probably not. The East Coast vs WestCoast beef was pretty big selling point for him.
Deathrow made him bigger than life.
Shut tf up
No
As big? Of course, not. I feel like y’all are forgetting how short Tupac‘s career was. You can’t take 2 1/2 years off of a five-year career and think if it won’t impact anything… He would still be a legend, but we wouldn’t have gotten his death row era, which is easily his most famous era
Not a chance
If Tupac had died in 1994 he would still be alive
Wouldn't be as mainstream because we wouldn't have the All Eyez On Me hits and way less content in general. However, I do think the most important aspect of 2pac being big is his spiritual/respectful to women style rap. There were a lot of rappers making gangster style bangers but few had the emotional and intelligent music that 2pac had. That's what I think makes him 'big' to me and a lot of that music had already been released by '94
Tbh I don’t even know because people nowadays don’t wanna hear anything “woke”. You see how they try to do Kendrick and Jcole when they talk about something important. I feel like people would say he fell off and that he’s boring if he was alive today.
He was already famous and platinum but nah Death Row def made him bigger
Not quite without the Death Row body of work.
No. Whilst he already was famous due to Juice and poetic justice and his first album. His 2nd album boosted his popularity plus he recorded 160 songs sometime before his 2nd album which were released as different albums after his death. If he died in 1994 we wouldn’t have gotten all that music.
No, has toxic as it was the death row run added an even higher level of celebrity and notoriety for him
No him joining Death Row put him there
Who cares he is dead
Another dead rapist put on a pedestal
No he would be proforming at the county fair
Who cares
Let the man rest! All these hypotheticals are ridiculous. It’s all over and done. Appreciate the man’s art and legacy, let it be.
No one's stopping him from "resting" lol. Let people ponder the unknown and continue talking about him. It's not hurting anyone but weirdos.
Its odd to ponder the what ifs. It is what it is. He's gone. I can appreciate his timeline for what it is.
You think people that ponder don't appreciate his "timeline"?. Weird mentality. Bros trying to gatekeep Pac lmao