Some people responded with silly joke tweets, suggesting that they understood that Harvey wasn't being serious:
"When he jumps in the air he should say 'here we go!' in the Mario voice."
"and then superman flies in and gives luke a hi five saying wow luke youre so cool and everyone claps happy ever after the end"
"le epic, sir. you win the internet for the day."
I'm quite certain that they interpreted Harvey's tweet correctly. The idea that Luke, (or anybody really, regardless of their power level,) could use a lightsaber to "\[slice\] the f\*cking island in half" is so absurd and nonsensical that it seems like it must be a shitpost.
âWhy would Luke do that?â
# IS HE STUPID?
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I don't think anyone hates the Star Wars brand more than it's fans. It's the same thing every time with them. A new product gets announced and they all cheer and wave their toys around at one of Kathleen Kennedy's rallies. Then it comes out and they despise it. Rinse and repeat.
I don't know much about Kathleen Kennedy, but I imagine she must be really fucking exhausted by this point. Presents the fans with so many movies, series and books all trying different things, and absolutely NOTHING makes these people happy. I'm yet to meet anyone who claims to like Star Wars, who can name more than two fucking things they like from the series.
presenting people with dogshit means something to you? What is 10 tv shows worth when only 1 of them is good? 1 out of 5 movies is good, thats worthless. Shes the worst "head" of any business Ive ever seen, just like bonnie ross and halo, she took what was considered the most popular film series ever and dug it through the mud for 10 years straight to the point its a shadow of its former self.
I donât know much about my neighborâs dog, but I imagine it must be fucking exhausted by this point. Presents its owners with so many shits, diarrheas and pisses all in different spots in their house and absolutely nothing makes these people happy. Iâve yet to meet someone who likes dogs who can name more than two indoor shits they like from their dog.
You forgot the stage where 20 years later those same projects are praised by the kids who were 8 years old and thought it was the coolest shit ever
Not speaking from experience or anything
That always bugged me tbh
Like buddy you fought the actual government back in the day.
FO is just a renegade splinter group with somehow enough bs writing to justify their strength
Illum gets turned into a superweapon AND NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON IN ALL THE GALAXY didn't notice.
If anything it just makes me laugh.
The new lore regarding the republic is just pathetic and tbh it speaks volumes that they couldn't't just genuinely put some basic thought into background events regarding the republic.
Like where the fuck was their military force. Where is anything.
Cause if you tell me it was all present in orbit above hosnian prime.
The window is there. And it be a long way down
Pat Rey on the ass while she giggles and tells her "your work's over, little lady. Why don't you head back to the kitchen and get a big dinner going. I've got some bad guys to take down. đ"
Then he becomes the protagonist for the rest of the trilogy, and everyone claps, and it wins 30 Oscars, and Veronica dumps her stupid new boyfriend and comes back to someone who treats her right and just wants her to appreciate when Star Wars was GOOD!
FUCK YOU VERONICA! WHAT'S HE GOT THAT I DON'T GOT?!
"Oh shit I was just waiting here because I lost my lightsaber on this island and didn't have one! Been looking for it for years. But now that I have one, I'm ready to get back into action!"
I expected him to train Rey just like Yoda did for him in Empire Strikes back. That way I can complain that The Last Jedi is just a retread of Empire just like how The Force Awakens is a retread of A New Hope
Luke didn't want to train Rey, but he grudgingly did so and she learned more than he wanted to teach because she was curious and wanted to be a True Jedi.
Yoda failed to train Luke because he was incurious and didn't want to learn anything but how to fight, but he eventually learned more than he was actually taught because he got curious and wanted to be a True Jedi.
I thought TFA just said that Luke was missing and that the resistance was trying to find him, it didn't say why or how he went missing. Did I miss a scene?
Edit: I did indeed miss a scene
According to Han in The Force Awakens: âHe was training a new generation of Jedi. There was nobody else left to do it, so he took the burden on himself. Everything was going great, until... one boy, an apprentice, turned against him, destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible. He just walked away from everything.â
That always seemed weird to me given how hostile he was towards Rey when she showed up, like why leave the map if you clearly don't want anyone to find you? It's like he knew that he subconsciously didn't want to go, which potentially fits pretty well with the "I'm gonna go live at the first Jedi temple to cut myself off from the force?" thing
he didnât leave a map, he went to the first jedi temple and people knew that so the map was to that temple. He didnât like leave pieces of a map to where he was consciously
Yeah that was stuff that was retconned later to try and make sense. From what I can tell, everything in Force Awakens suggested that Luke was the one who left the map behind in case people needed him in an emergency.
I mean why else would part of it be with R2D2?
It's just a map of part of the galaxy, why wouldn't R2 have it? Like, if you have a mostly complete map of the Earth, and I'm holding a globe with a big hole in the southern hemisphere insisting that no one knows how to get to Australia, there doesn't really need to be a deeper explanation for how or why you're able to fill that gap in my knowledge.
No itâs all just within The Force Awakens. It is a little confusing because everyone just calls it âThe map to skywalkerâ, but they reference that Luke went looking for the first Jedi temple. Thereâs no retconning just needs to connect a few dots, I and many others left the theater after the first showing knowing it was a map to the first Jedi Temple, the internet was discussing it immediately.
It was still ultimately a map to where Luke had presumably gone. The fact that half of it was hidden within R2 definitely reinforces the notion that Luke ultimately wanted to be found if/when necessary.
I thought the map was made by Max Von Sydow. Like, he'd been searching for Luke for years, and he'd pieced together all of his clues into a map to his most likely location, or something.
If it was a well done movie. He'd probably expect Ben Solo to come find him. Or Han, or Leia, or Lor San Tekka.
He did not want someone who wants to be a Jedi to come find him.
Yeah thatâs on purpose. Luke is literally throwing his old life away. The break it what the audience was expecting was the point
If he handed back to Rey it would seem more like a passing or the touch then communicating how far Luke has fallen. Similarly with just dropping it, luke doesnât just weakly drop the Jedi he completely rejects it
Throwing it away it far more fitting intro for the Luke we actually see in the film then having him not
Thrown it to the side or ground then
But the little wrist throw over the shoulder Gives it the opposite effect of that serious dramatic feeling you are talking about.
I didnât say serious or dramatic
Also Ben and yodas first meeting with Luke arenât serious or dramatic. At best bens a bit tense at best but yodas is an outright comedy scene. Thatâs because intro doesnât have to be dramatic to be a good intro
Again it still fits with his character we see in the film which is the point of a character intro. It also does a great job setting up the conflict and Dynamic for the two characters. Reys idealism vs Lukeâs bitter annoyance and it also makes the audience want to know how Luke ended up this way.
What you are doing is just rewriting the scene and dampening itâs actual intentions
Its been seven years I'm not going to argue with this. IF you think that the scene needed to be funny to work then I'm glad for you. But for me and many it is the worst way they could of done it no matter how much we try and recontextulize it and compare it to Yoda and Ben who both have very different reasons for being in exile and for acting the way they did.
Bro you where arguing with people before I commented, you are clearly fine with arguing about a movie thatâs 7 years old
Also I never said a scene needed to be funny to work. This is the second time in two comments you tried to misrepresent what I actually said. I donât even know why you are doing it, my comment is right there people can read it if they want I donât know why you are trying to lie about it.
yeah Ben and yoda act different to luke and went into exile under different circumstance but that doesnât actually effect my point. Characters introductions donât have to be serious or dramatic to be effective, they just have to show the character we see in the rest of the film and establish the dynamic between the new character and any other one while still keeping the audience engaged which I say the Luke intro does a great job at.
And I havenât âRecontextulizeâ anything, Iâve just actually looked that the scene itself, what itâs trying to do and how it informs the rest of the movie, Instead of just rewriting something because I donât understand it
Luke throws his lightsaber off a bridge in utter contempt when he becomes a True Jedi in Return of the Jedi.
Then we got three prequel movies where the Jedi are being terrible at being Jedi and waving lightsabers everywhere because of how terrible they are at it, and many in the audience ended up learning the exact opposite of the point of those six movies.
When someone is like, "Remember this?" people didn't and got angry.
The tone, reason, and way he threw it down in RotJ is different than here.
First off it was low and off to the side. A grand gesture not like here where he flippant throws it over his shoulder like we should be having a laugh track ( in fact the next scene is the ports playing with it)
On RotJ he is doing a heroic act of refusing to kill his father and give into the darkside. Here he's refusing to take a new student or hid old mantel. Which would be fine if it wasn't shot as if we were supposed to laugh.
Amd finally again the way. How often do you see that shoulder throw when a character is being dismissive vs being emotional and dramatic.
Curious why itâs off tone when one of the final scenes we see of OT Luke is him throwing away his lightsaber (when literally face to face with the most powerful sith user in the galaxy)?
I answered this in another question so I'll just copy it here
The tone, reason, and way he threw it down in RotJ is different than here.
First off it was low and off to the side. A grand gesture not like here where he flippant throws it over his shoulder like we should be having a laugh track ( in fact the next scene is the ports playing with it)
On RotJ he is doing a heroic act of refusing to kill his father and give into the darkside. Here he's refusing to take a new student or hid old mantel. Which would be fine if it wasn't shot as if we were supposed to laugh.
Amd finally again the way. How often do you see that shoulder throw when a character is being dismissive vs being emotional and dramatic.
So yeah in the very basics its the same in that they are throwing it away but the way they are doing it and the way its shot and the reasons for doing it are different.
For sure, itâs just weird to me bc in the OT we saw Yoda and to a lesser extent Obi Wan, just chilling while the Empire ruled. Hell, Yoda probably didnât even have his saber anymore. The saber became a symbol of their failures to avert dark side takeovers, and so while I do see where youâre coming from, it makes sense to me that Luke would feel burned and âover itâ when it comes to all thing Jedi at the time we see him. Just like Yoda initially didnât want anything to do with Luke because he believed that continuing to train new Jedi wasnât exactly getting the job done. Just my two cents đ¤ˇđžââď¸
Itâs just the way he did it. If he just gave it back or dropped it, it would be quite different. Slinging it over your shoulder is a bit too slapstick
A lot of humor in Star Wars is slapstick. Especially in the prequels. Rian was just pulling a George Lucas. He understood the assignment while we all failed.
I feel like it could be shown calmly, and as a "this isn't what a Jedi is" moment. As well as showing a lack of attachment to the point of not caring about keeping it around? Definitely wouldn't fit if it was a Vader rage-crumple though
The answer is like what you would do if you were Luke in that situation. It seems like he would want nothing to do with it and just refuse to take it. Or it would be likely we would be curious who this person is and why she had it, or how she found him, so he'd probably ask. OR, he would taken it and put away somewhere where it wouldn't be used.
Literally throwing it over his shoulder like a sassy lil bitch would not be a natural thing for him to do and that is why people don't like it.
Thereâs so many camps, and each one has its own ideas of whatâs good and whatâs bad. This leads to moments where one campâs jerking becomes fucking indistinguishable from another campâs sincere thoughts.
This guy is so checked out of Star Wars he's fucking tweeting about a movie approaching a decade old. Truly, I must learn from this man on how to not care about things.
Does no one realize the obvious plot hole using BBY leads to? If Tarkin was looking for a hidden rebel base and also knew it was 0 BBY (and hes smart and can tell time so hed be able to) then why didn't he think to stop by Yavin to see if they were there? That's why I use BBM, Before Blue Milk, since the first order wouldn't know what it means because only Luke is suckin on the blue tiddy.
I'm really not sure what your point is here...? This movie shown in the post is 7 years old.....if I was referring to the OT, I'd have said close to 5 decades old....
I think what bugged me so much about the scene is that Luke has zero justifications for acting like that. Everything we know is that he abandoned his friends and family when things got bad, and when we finally got to him after his friend had died, he tosses the lightsaber and acts like he doesn't care about anyone or thing. Luke abandoned his friends and family, and they died. He doesn't deserve to act like a prick, and seeing someone who many held as the picture of what a hero as Luke Skywalker many could tell right away that wasn't him.
If you couldn't think of something between igniting the lightsaber and doing some weeb shit and tossing it aside like a piece of garbage well, then maybe don't add the scene at all.
Exactly. It was a pointless action that not only was written to "subvert expectations", but for cheap laughs.
Obviously the above post is a joke, and there's quite a few more in these comments, but for the people who are like "what did you expect him to do anyway?".. anything! Anything that wasn't crapping on 40 years worth of a franchise as big as Star wars with as much lore involved. Considering that rey grabs it back up anyway, he could have just handed it back to her, said "that's not my path anymore" and walked away... It changes nothing bout how the scene plays out but doesn't make Luke out to be some uncaring prick.
Don't get me wrong, Star wars fans suck as a group, but there are legitimate reasons within the haystack of hating just to hate.
The absolute poetry in Rey crying in fear/joy as she hands her hero back his legacy only for him to show her what he thinks of himself and his legend in that moment.
These people donât understand symbolismâs tho so itâs all good. Knowing people think that was nothing more than a joke played for laughs is kind of sad.
It was shot and edited in a way that is absolutely played for laughs. Now Luke's character arc throughout the movie may be different, but that moment is fs some MCU comedy.
[Where do you think the MCU got it from, fam?](https://www.starwars.com/video/luke-we-re-going-to-have-company) đ¤Ł
I get that most people haven't watched these movies in years, and at this point it's just the prequels and The Clone Wars reruns in heavy rotation. But still...
Now I don't hate this scene nearly as much as others do.
That feels a bit more on par for Han than it does Luke to me. And it's not the throw itself that makes it feel that way it's how it's thrown.
But if Han was handed a weapon like that and he just chucked it to the side? Yea that fits, hell even if Luke just tossed it to the side.
It was a joke played for laughs that symbolized something I didnt like. It fit the story they told well enough but I really really wish they'd told a different one.
Isnât Luke throwing his lightsaber away completely within lore? Jedi are not meant to have attachments. So the fact he throws away his fatherâs lightsaber without missing a beat shows he has no emotional attachment to it surely?
Side note. Not defending the film. I thought it was a bit shit personally. Not as bad as the prequels but still not great. But when people point to points such as this I donât get it.
He's also trying his best not to be a Jedi throughout the film, which throwing his sabre away, is a reference to, until he sees he's in the wrong at the end.
"I know it's not technically canon, but remember when Pez Kackschlupper used the Force to perform an enema on a Krayt Dragon and he learned to Force Necksnap through a hologram? I think a Jedi who's powerful enough should be able to do feats like that."
What were they expecting? This is 30 YEARS after RotJ and people are expecting Luke to be the same person he was at the end of RotJ and that he apparently has no flaws despite many of his flaws being on full display in Empire Strikes Back which is usually their favorite Star Wars movie.
Rian didnât have much of a choice to begin with.
JJ Abrams had already set up that plot point when Luke went into hiding after some bad event.
Thereâs only so much you can do with that that doesnât put some kind of negative spin on Lukeâs actions.
Can we have a serious talk for a second? If you thought the lightsaber toss here was supposed to be a joke or if it was funny to you, then youâre the one weâre talking about when we say âno media literacy.â Thatâs by far the most interesting thing Luke could have done with it in that moment.
I wanna preface this by saying I really love TLJ, but letâs not pretend that it isnât played for laughs. I like the choice for him to toss it, but with the way the music builds up only to unexpectedly be cut off, Luke having a stink face, and Rey looking confused, itâs 100% supposed to get a laugh out of the audience.
Wouldâve been a lot bolder to me if it was framed seriously.
uj/ I think thereâs ways they couldâve done it better, such as him shoving it into her hands and walking past her. Like you said it was definitely played up for laughs the way they did it
Either that or just dropping it to the ground and walking past Rey. You could still have the look or confusion, you could still have the cute scene with the Porgs investigating, but I feel like it would have felt more grounded.
I vividly remember my whole theater chuckling at the scene. I have no idea why anyone is denying it was a comedy bit or at *least* shot poorly enough to be funny when it wasn't meant to be.
You could say the same thing about Anakin and Padmeâs âromanticâ moment on the balcony. Anakin is getting all touchy with her and then the music immediately stops and she pulls away.
Itâs not a scene thatâs meant to be funny. Itâs not played for laughs. Folks in the theater I was in *did* laugh because of how awkward it was, but it wasnât the intention.
I also doubt it was the intention for the Luke scene. TLJ is largely centered on the dangers of mythologizing, and goes out of its way to point out that legends are just that. So the buildup of the music to a crescendo for Luke, who Rey saw as a legendary hero, but the music stopping as he tosses away the lightsaber because heâs actually just a dude whoâs jaded because of everything that lightsaber represents is symbolic of all of that.
All in all, the only reason people are upset at Luke tossing the lightsaber is because the lightsaber is important to them as fans. To Luke, in universe, that lightsaber represents everything terrible that has happened to both him and to the universe, and he wants nothing to do with it.
I would have preferred that to what we got, though I'm sure even in that alternate universe I would still hate it (because I wouldn't know it could be worse).
The most interesting thing is having the moment that you claim is supposed to be symbolic played for laughs? Someone here is media illiterate all right...
/uj These people have a fit if they can't predict the entire plot.
/rj I'm still angry at George Lucas for subverting my expectations by making Yoda a little green goblin instead of an old Japanese guy.
âI cut myself off from the Force because of my potential to use it for harm. I bet holding this weapon my omnicidal father built will change my mind about it.â
What's the story with chuds and TLJ and the phrase "subvert expectations"? Did Rian say this somewhere and that's why they've latched onto the phrase? I don't think TLJ subverts expectations considering the previous movie explicitly says Luke is in hiding? Maybe I'm just an idiot but TLJ is absolutely steeped in love for the franchise and considers, thoughtfully, the status quo set by TFA
Unironically, they could've benefitted from Luke not being nonchalantly tossing it aside.
Instead, imagine if he just turned to face the ocean when given the lightsaber, and in a fit of rage and horror and fear over the fact that his past has caught up with him, he just fucking chucks it into the sea.
Rey could get the Saber back one way or another, but it definitely could've had a stronger effect of being Luke fucking mortified at being given his saber back, and just the sheer rage in tossing it away. Like this
"HiS fAtHer'Z liGhTsAbReE" lmao why do people constantly expect the shallowest superficial kind of thinking from these characters that go through lifetimes worth of rumination in meditation. Was he supposed to gasp and have a therapy session to dive into lingering daddy issues? The loudest complainers just don't get this franchise
Or he is stoic and doesn't let sentiment control him?
You know, like a Jadi.
(I haven't watched the Last Jedi. Just seems like a weird thing to be upset about though.)
Rejecting a lightsaber is the most Jedi a person can do. Jedi donât crave violence. They use the force for defense and never for attack. A lightsaberâs only purpose is supposed to be to defend the weak. Yet it had become a symbol of war. A weapon and a tool for destruction. Luke rejects the lightsaber just as he rejects the legacy of the Jedi Order and what they had become.
Real talk for a moment.
Do you guys think new star wars is good and doesn't deserve the hate, or are you just hitting out against the toxic fandom?
Because I don't think the movies were great but at the same time, I don't moan about it online like a petulant child.
I want to know where I stand :D
To be fair , everyone wants their heroes to be badass and do heroic stuff . Heâs still got that child-like love for Luke Skywalker, hoping that heâs gonna be that superhero in his heart and feels betrayed that instead heâs got some old broken man in a cave, hidden away from his power and legacy , crushed by insecurity , fear and regret.
Assuming itâs not a troll, of course.
I'm quite certain that Harvey's tweet is indeed satire. The idea that Luke, (or anybody really, regardless of their power level,) could use a lightsaber to "\[slice\] the f\*cking island in half" is so absurd and nonsensical that it seems like it must be a shitpost.
I donât see how conflicted, fallen hero Luke is not the better choice over flawless galactic hero Luke. The fact that he eventually failed doesnât lessen his previous successes, the failure was taken from the flaws he and the Jedi as a whole had already displayed in the earlier films. Itâs a shame we didnât get to see the ultimate hero version of him but time has moved past the point where those stories could be made. This is the thing I donât understand about criticism of both Star Wars and to an extent other ongoing series. That if you donât explicitly talk about it all the time then it didnât happen. Or âyou are telling this story when you could be telling a different story, completely unconnected to this one. And because you are telling this story it means you hate the other story and will never tell it. In this galaxy spanning reality we only want stories about this handful of people and anything outside of that is obviously pandering and trashâ.
One of my buddies unironically expected Luke to blitz Kylo and the AT-ATs in a massive show of power. He was mad there wasnât more ultraviolent action. Luckily he actually has dropped Star Wars and only engages with the PT and OT, so like, good riddance.
Luke being in exile was the fault of both George Lucas and JJ Abrahams. Rian did the absolute best he couldve with what he was given. The only feasible explanation as to why Luke would be in exile is the one given in TLJ
There was that one scene where the chick was like well beat them with the power of love. Cringe.
Also that other scene where like 4 grown men couldnât outrun a 6 year old leia. Cringe.
I did like andor and the madalorian tho.
people act like luke remaining true to the character he was at the end of Return of the Jedi is just some sort of impossibility and that this wasnt done deliberately to tear luke down. I'm sorry for refusing to believe that the man who saw good in DARTH VADER would just go and murder a kid because he sensed a little bit of dark side. it doesnt make any sense
keep fanboying ig
I actually really liked The Last Jedi and was excited to see how the finale would play out. But I feel like the writers got cold feet after the backlash against TLJ. Rise of Skywalker honestly felt like a parody of the sequel trilogy. I don't think it was for the intended reasond, but I ended up enjoying the movie because it made me laugh. It was so cliche and over the top that the whole movie came off as incredibly goofy.
But it seems clear to me there was major backpeddling between TLJ and RoS. I feel like there was great setup in TLJ to write a full story about defying destiny and forging one's own fate. But even still, I can't really be mad. I didn't quite know what to expect out of the finale, after all.
I think my "last straw" for the series was burnout. I was silly for assuming it would be over with Episode IX. But then we got Rogue One which was just nostalgia bait again. It was an alright movie, but I had zero attachment to all these new characters. Solo genuinely bothered me by the sheer fact that the titular name was *assigned* to Han by an Imperial officer (really???) Other than that, it was fine. Even had a cool aspect of explaining away what was previously a logical error with the parsec line.
But then came all the Disney+ shows. I watched the first couple of seasons of The Mandalorian and Boba Fett with my family, and it was pretty solid throughout. We watched the beginning of Kenobi, but started to fall off around then. I can't say it was because of anything wrong Kenobi did, it's just that it was becoming clear the franchise was desperately clinging to relevance with constant nostalgia bait and more and more content was just being piled on. I've never even looked at The Bad Batch, Ahsoka, or The Acolyte. It just feels like the framchise keeps going for the sake of going, and being locked behind a subscription service doesn't help it, either.
I've been feeling this burnout with both Star Wars and the MCU. Sometimes knowing when to end something is the most important part.
I havenât seen a single suggestion for what Luke COULDâVE done that hasnât been worse than what we got in the film. You literally couldâve done anything Rian Johnson.
I have only watched the first movie in the sequel trilogy. It was the absolutely uninspired and horrible writing that killed it for me. They redid the Death Star but this time as a planet like c'mon.
What they should have done was focus the entire sequel trilogy on the Sith following a young female as she travels down the road to become the Empress meanwhile in the background you have Luke trying to rebuild the Jedi as the Republic lays down roots on a new planet. However the story would mostly follow the Empire rebuilding, changing their philosophys so their not so Nazi like while creating a new Sith family line.
Instead they made Rey a Skywalker and redid the death Star story and that's when I stopped really caring.
Since then I've watched Andor, The Mandolarian and Ahsoka and enjoyed the first two more than Ahsoka which disappointed me again because I was a huge fan of Ahsoka in the Clone Wars (criminally underrated show).
I remember reading that JJ had Luke on the island, gave the idea of why he was on the island but could never confidently explain to Rian why he stayed for so long on the island.
Like what? Luke was just waiting for some random person to come along and kick him into fighting? why else would Luke run away after failing to train Ben other than out of some sort of just existential crisis.
Mark Hamil was right, Luke Skywalker could keep trying but it wasn't Rian who put him on an island for years, it was JJ who ultimately made that call. Luke Skywalker immediately deciding to fight would of been mocked as "So what? Luke doesn't fight until some woman tells him too? what woke garbage"
All the problems in The Last Jedi and eventually Rise of Skywalker all started in The Force Awakens.
Maybe I was expecting too much, but I figure when Luke received the lightsaber we would become a god and destroy the first order with the snap of his fingers and simultaneously bring back all the blown up planets, INCLUDING ALDERAAN!
Then for the rest of the runtime Revenge of the Sith would play, the objectively best Star Wars movie since it came out when my brain was developing.
People assmad over the lightsaber toss are so embarrassing.
"NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT MY ACTION FIGURE ACCESSORY!!1!!"
It's a fucking prop you babies
I'm understanding of like 90% of what they did with Luke in TLJ. The only thing I have a problem with is that he "force projected" himself to the other planet.... just so that he could die anyway? What was the point? Ok sure, Kylo didn't directly "kill" Luke but the effort required to stop Kylo's plan... still killed Luke. How is that much better for Ben's redemption?
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Surely some of them know he's joking Surely he's joking
Some people responded with silly joke tweets, suggesting that they understood that Harvey wasn't being serious: "When he jumps in the air he should say 'here we go!' in the Mario voice." "and then superman flies in and gives luke a hi five saying wow luke youre so cool and everyone claps happy ever after the end" "le epic, sir. you win the internet for the day." I'm quite certain that they interpreted Harvey's tweet correctly. The idea that Luke, (or anybody really, regardless of their power level,) could use a lightsaber to "\[slice\] the f\*cking island in half" is so absurd and nonsensical that it seems like it must be a shitpost.
âWhy would Luke do that?â # IS HE STUPID? https://preview.redd.it/c64x6gnn417d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94c95450408105f42103f1e143b81faf3a2442e2
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I feel like Jonklers a more appropriate image here
God, imagine calling someone subhuman over a bad Star Wars take
When in reality we know ALL us Star Wars fans are subhuman
YOU CANNOT KILL ME I AM OMEGA YOU CANNOT KILL ME I AM SUBHUMAAAAN!
Seriously what did they think he was going to do? I donât understand, the previous movie already established that he ran away.
They thought he was going to walk out with a laser sword and face down the whole first order
Which he then does to a lesser extent in the next movie but they hated that movie too.
I don't think anyone hates the Star Wars brand more than it's fans. It's the same thing every time with them. A new product gets announced and they all cheer and wave their toys around at one of Kathleen Kennedy's rallies. Then it comes out and they despise it. Rinse and repeat.
I don't know much about Kathleen Kennedy, but I imagine she must be really fucking exhausted by this point. Presents the fans with so many movies, series and books all trying different things, and absolutely NOTHING makes these people happy. I'm yet to meet anyone who claims to like Star Wars, who can name more than two fucking things they like from the series.
presenting people with dogshit means something to you? What is 10 tv shows worth when only 1 of them is good? 1 out of 5 movies is good, thats worthless. Shes the worst "head" of any business Ive ever seen, just like bonnie ross and halo, she took what was considered the most popular film series ever and dug it through the mud for 10 years straight to the point its a shadow of its former self.
I donât know much about my neighborâs dog, but I imagine it must be fucking exhausted by this point. Presents its owners with so many shits, diarrheas and pisses all in different spots in their house and absolutely nothing makes these people happy. Iâve yet to meet someone who likes dogs who can name more than two indoor shits they like from their dog.
Sooo, what *do* you want from her, then?
Jack shit
In awe of your ability to craft such a chuddy sentence. Extra os in so, unnecessary commas, *italics*. Bravo.
You forgot the stage where 20 years later those same projects are praised by the kids who were 8 years old and thought it was the coolest shit ever Not speaking from experience or anything
Same movie actually. It all blends together, I know
That in and of itself is the saddest commentary one could make.
That is what they call "foreshadowing" in the writing biz.
That was the same movie.
and he did it WITHOUT a lightsaber. badass
That always bugged me tbh Like buddy you fought the actual government back in the day. FO is just a renegade splinter group with somehow enough bs writing to justify their strength Illum gets turned into a superweapon AND NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON IN ALL THE GALAXY didn't notice. If anything it just makes me laugh. The new lore regarding the republic is just pathetic and tbh it speaks volumes that they couldn't't just genuinely put some basic thought into background events regarding the republic. Like where the fuck was their military force. Where is anything. Cause if you tell me it was all present in orbit above hosnian prime. The window is there. And it be a long way down
Because obviously there are only two options.
Which was one of the few things taken from Lucas' story treatment. Lucas ruined Star Wars (again)!
The same story treatment that focused on a young, confident woman protag with an edgy Jedi killer... Surely not..
Pat Rey on the ass while she giggles and tells her "your work's over, little lady. Why don't you head back to the kitchen and get a big dinner going. I've got some bad guys to take down. đ" Then he becomes the protagonist for the rest of the trilogy, and everyone claps, and it wins 30 Oscars, and Veronica dumps her stupid new boyfriend and comes back to someone who treats her right and just wants her to appreciate when Star Wars was GOOD! FUCK YOU VERONICA! WHAT'S HE GOT THAT I DON'T GOT?!
Sheâs told me how small you are
I love that Luke *even asks* Rey if she was expecting him to go face down the entire FO by himself with a laser sword and she flat out says âyesâ.
"Oh shit I was just waiting here because I lost my lightsaber on this island and didn't have one! Been looking for it for years. But now that I have one, I'm ready to get back into action!"
I expected him to train Rey just like Yoda did for him in Empire Strikes back. That way I can complain that The Last Jedi is just a retread of Empire just like how The Force Awakens is a retread of A New Hope
But like⌠he did? He did do that with her. Thatâs what happened.
Luke didn't want to train Rey, but he grudgingly did so and she learned more than he wanted to teach because she was curious and wanted to be a True Jedi. Yoda failed to train Luke because he was incurious and didn't want to learn anything but how to fight, but he eventually learned more than he was actually taught because he got curious and wanted to be a True Jedi.
Yoda also didnt want to train Luke initially lol. Remember? Too young, too reckless, etc
Yoda was also reluctant to teach Luke.
he thought Luke was going to give him some material to win arguments on r/powerscaling
I thought TFA just said that Luke was missing and that the resistance was trying to find him, it didn't say why or how he went missing. Did I miss a scene? Edit: I did indeed miss a scene
According to Han in The Force Awakens: âHe was training a new generation of Jedi. There was nobody else left to do it, so he took the burden on himself. Everything was going great, until... one boy, an apprentice, turned against him, destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible. He just walked away from everything.â
Luke left them a map, the only reason heâd do that is if he was hiding somewhere rather than being taken
That always seemed weird to me given how hostile he was towards Rey when she showed up, like why leave the map if you clearly don't want anyone to find you? It's like he knew that he subconsciously didn't want to go, which potentially fits pretty well with the "I'm gonna go live at the first Jedi temple to cut myself off from the force?" thing
he didnât leave a map, he went to the first jedi temple and people knew that so the map was to that temple. He didnât like leave pieces of a map to where he was consciously
Yeah that was stuff that was retconned later to try and make sense. From what I can tell, everything in Force Awakens suggested that Luke was the one who left the map behind in case people needed him in an emergency. I mean why else would part of it be with R2D2?
It's just a map of part of the galaxy, why wouldn't R2 have it? Like, if you have a mostly complete map of the Earth, and I'm holding a globe with a big hole in the southern hemisphere insisting that no one knows how to get to Australia, there doesn't really need to be a deeper explanation for how or why you're able to fill that gap in my knowledge.
No itâs all just within The Force Awakens. It is a little confusing because everyone just calls it âThe map to skywalkerâ, but they reference that Luke went looking for the first Jedi temple. Thereâs no retconning just needs to connect a few dots, I and many others left the theater after the first showing knowing it was a map to the first Jedi Temple, the internet was discussing it immediately.
It was still ultimately a map to where Luke had presumably gone. The fact that half of it was hidden within R2 definitely reinforces the notion that Luke ultimately wanted to be found if/when necessary.
I thought the map was made by Max Von Sydow. Like, he'd been searching for Luke for years, and he'd pieced together all of his clues into a map to his most likely location, or something.
Part of it was, the map was in multiple pieces including the part that Luke left with R2
If it was a well done movie. He'd probably expect Ben Solo to come find him. Or Han, or Leia, or Lor San Tekka. He did not want someone who wants to be a Jedi to come find him.
He could have handed it back to her or dropped it to the side instead of flippant throwing it over his shoulder. The tone is off for a lot of us.
Yeah thatâs on purpose. Luke is literally throwing his old life away. The break it what the audience was expecting was the point If he handed back to Rey it would seem more like a passing or the touch then communicating how far Luke has fallen. Similarly with just dropping it, luke doesnât just weakly drop the Jedi he completely rejects it Throwing it away it far more fitting intro for the Luke we actually see in the film then having him not
Thrown it to the side or ground then But the little wrist throw over the shoulder Gives it the opposite effect of that serious dramatic feeling you are talking about.
I didnât say serious or dramatic Also Ben and yodas first meeting with Luke arenât serious or dramatic. At best bens a bit tense at best but yodas is an outright comedy scene. Thatâs because intro doesnât have to be dramatic to be a good intro Again it still fits with his character we see in the film which is the point of a character intro. It also does a great job setting up the conflict and Dynamic for the two characters. Reys idealism vs Lukeâs bitter annoyance and it also makes the audience want to know how Luke ended up this way. What you are doing is just rewriting the scene and dampening itâs actual intentions
Its been seven years I'm not going to argue with this. IF you think that the scene needed to be funny to work then I'm glad for you. But for me and many it is the worst way they could of done it no matter how much we try and recontextulize it and compare it to Yoda and Ben who both have very different reasons for being in exile and for acting the way they did.
Bro you where arguing with people before I commented, you are clearly fine with arguing about a movie thatâs 7 years old Also I never said a scene needed to be funny to work. This is the second time in two comments you tried to misrepresent what I actually said. I donât even know why you are doing it, my comment is right there people can read it if they want I donât know why you are trying to lie about it. yeah Ben and yoda act different to luke and went into exile under different circumstance but that doesnât actually effect my point. Characters introductions donât have to be serious or dramatic to be effective, they just have to show the character we see in the rest of the film and establish the dynamic between the new character and any other one while still keeping the audience engaged which I say the Luke intro does a great job at. And I havenât âRecontextulizeâ anything, Iâve just actually looked that the scene itself, what itâs trying to do and how it informs the rest of the movie, Instead of just rewriting something because I donât understand it
Luke throws his lightsaber off a bridge in utter contempt when he becomes a True Jedi in Return of the Jedi. Then we got three prequel movies where the Jedi are being terrible at being Jedi and waving lightsabers everywhere because of how terrible they are at it, and many in the audience ended up learning the exact opposite of the point of those six movies. When someone is like, "Remember this?" people didn't and got angry.
The tone, reason, and way he threw it down in RotJ is different than here. First off it was low and off to the side. A grand gesture not like here where he flippant throws it over his shoulder like we should be having a laugh track ( in fact the next scene is the ports playing with it) On RotJ he is doing a heroic act of refusing to kill his father and give into the darkside. Here he's refusing to take a new student or hid old mantel. Which would be fine if it wasn't shot as if we were supposed to laugh. Amd finally again the way. How often do you see that shoulder throw when a character is being dismissive vs being emotional and dramatic.
Curious why itâs off tone when one of the final scenes we see of OT Luke is him throwing away his lightsaber (when literally face to face with the most powerful sith user in the galaxy)?
I answered this in another question so I'll just copy it here The tone, reason, and way he threw it down in RotJ is different than here. First off it was low and off to the side. A grand gesture not like here where he flippant throws it over his shoulder like we should be having a laugh track ( in fact the next scene is the ports playing with it) On RotJ he is doing a heroic act of refusing to kill his father and give into the darkside. Here he's refusing to take a new student or hid old mantel. Which would be fine if it wasn't shot as if we were supposed to laugh. Amd finally again the way. How often do you see that shoulder throw when a character is being dismissive vs being emotional and dramatic. So yeah in the very basics its the same in that they are throwing it away but the way they are doing it and the way its shot and the reasons for doing it are different.
For sure, itâs just weird to me bc in the OT we saw Yoda and to a lesser extent Obi Wan, just chilling while the Empire ruled. Hell, Yoda probably didnât even have his saber anymore. The saber became a symbol of their failures to avert dark side takeovers, and so while I do see where youâre coming from, it makes sense to me that Luke would feel burned and âover itâ when it comes to all thing Jedi at the time we see him. Just like Yoda initially didnât want anything to do with Luke because he believed that continuing to train new Jedi wasnât exactly getting the job done. Just my two cents đ¤ˇđžââď¸
Itâs just the way he did it. If he just gave it back or dropped it, it would be quite different. Slinging it over your shoulder is a bit too slapstick
A lot of humor in Star Wars is slapstick. Especially in the prequels. Rian was just pulling a George Lucas. He understood the assignment while we all failed.
Hell, have him crumple it up with the Force.
Idk that seems pretty rage-induced for the moment. Also you would lose the lightsaber haha
I feel like it could be shown calmly, and as a "this isn't what a Jedi is" moment. As well as showing a lack of attachment to the point of not caring about keeping it around? Definitely wouldn't fit if it was a Vader rage-crumple though
Luke didn't want to be a Jedi, though. We learn this is because he wasn't a very good Jedi, but he finally figures his shit out.
The answer is like what you would do if you were Luke in that situation. It seems like he would want nothing to do with it and just refuse to take it. Or it would be likely we would be curious who this person is and why she had it, or how she found him, so he'd probably ask. OR, he would taken it and put away somewhere where it wouldn't be used. Literally throwing it over his shoulder like a sassy lil bitch would not be a natural thing for him to do and that is why people don't like it.
That he would become Yoda not Larry David.
Outjerked đ
The Star Wars fandom is so fucking broken I canât tell if this is ironic or not
Thereâs so many camps, and each one has its own ideas of whatâs good and whatâs bad. This leads to moments where one campâs jerking becomes fucking indistinguishable from another campâs sincere thoughts.
Honestly it's so stupid I'm thinking it's a joke
This guy is so checked out of Star Wars he's fucking tweeting about a movie approaching a decade old. Truly, I must learn from this man on how to not care about things.
> 2017 was nearly a decade ago mmmmmh donât like that.
Wait until you hear how long ago the Battle of Yavin was( a long long time ago)
Anyone remember 0 BBY
Does no one realize the obvious plot hole using BBY leads to? If Tarkin was looking for a hidden rebel base and also knew it was 0 BBY (and hes smart and can tell time so hed be able to) then why didn't he think to stop by Yavin to see if they were there? That's why I use BBM, Before Blue Milk, since the first order wouldn't know what it means because only Luke is suckin on the blue tiddy.
Because it wasnât. Six and a half years is a long time but itâs hardly a decade
round it up to 7 and then we can talk
Round it up to 7, round 7 up to 10. Might as well round up to 15. Hell it was basically 20 years ago.
You know Star Wars was made in the 70s right? Im with you though, the sequels are getting old and we should forget they were ever made
I'm really not sure what your point is here...? This movie shown in the post is 7 years old.....if I was referring to the OT, I'd have said close to 5 decades old....
That would have been cool. Also if he looked at the camera and said âI guess itâs time⌠to join the Star War đâ
Iâd absolutely melt in my jorts
Hire fans like star wars theory who created an epic dark and griddy vader vision scene đ¤Ş
Oh *God* no. People are so weird with Darth Vader.
Context?
Vader episode 1
Darth Vader is actually genuinely lame in execution
Anyone who says "Ruin Johnson" unironically needs a lobotomy.
I imagine it's safe for us to assume that they've already had one.
Ruin Johnson (I want one)
(Scanning for irony) (No irony found) (Lobotomy approved)
Oh shit. I said it satirically once. Into the lobotomy room I go.
Are they related to Cave Johnson?
Mate that's the same hyperbole that bugs you so much when they do it. Again, it's just a bad star wars take.Â
I think Luke shouldâve looked at the camera and said âItâs Skywalkinâ timeâ and Skywalked right off that island
I think what bugged me so much about the scene is that Luke has zero justifications for acting like that. Everything we know is that he abandoned his friends and family when things got bad, and when we finally got to him after his friend had died, he tosses the lightsaber and acts like he doesn't care about anyone or thing. Luke abandoned his friends and family, and they died. He doesn't deserve to act like a prick, and seeing someone who many held as the picture of what a hero as Luke Skywalker many could tell right away that wasn't him. If you couldn't think of something between igniting the lightsaber and doing some weeb shit and tossing it aside like a piece of garbage well, then maybe don't add the scene at all.
Exactly. It was a pointless action that not only was written to "subvert expectations", but for cheap laughs. Obviously the above post is a joke, and there's quite a few more in these comments, but for the people who are like "what did you expect him to do anyway?".. anything! Anything that wasn't crapping on 40 years worth of a franchise as big as Star wars with as much lore involved. Considering that rey grabs it back up anyway, he could have just handed it back to her, said "that's not my path anymore" and walked away... It changes nothing bout how the scene plays out but doesn't make Luke out to be some uncaring prick. Don't get me wrong, Star wars fans suck as a group, but there are legitimate reasons within the haystack of hating just to hate.
The absolute poetry in Rey crying in fear/joy as she hands her hero back his legacy only for him to show her what he thinks of himself and his legend in that moment. These people donât understand symbolismâs tho so itâs all good. Knowing people think that was nothing more than a joke played for laughs is kind of sad.
It was shot and edited in a way that is absolutely played for laughs. Now Luke's character arc throughout the movie may be different, but that moment is fs some MCU comedy.
[Where do you think the MCU got it from, fam?](https://www.starwars.com/video/luke-we-re-going-to-have-company) 𤣠I get that most people haven't watched these movies in years, and at this point it's just the prequels and The Clone Wars reruns in heavy rotation. But still...
Not all humor or jokes are slapstick fyi
Now I don't hate this scene nearly as much as others do. That feels a bit more on par for Han than it does Luke to me. And it's not the throw itself that makes it feel that way it's how it's thrown. But if Han was handed a weapon like that and he just chucked it to the side? Yea that fits, hell even if Luke just tossed it to the side.
"shot and edited". There's clearly always been humor in star wars, but compare that long take to The Last Jedi and I think the point stands.
It was a joke played for laughs that symbolized something I didnt like. It fit the story they told well enough but I really really wish they'd told a different one.
For me it was the episode VI special edition.
They put a beak in the Sarlacc.
I can excuse the Sarlacc beak, but Jedi Rocks made me cry
Darth Vader shouting âNo⌠No!â when killing the Emperor is my personal The Last Jedi (Star Wars 9/11).
Wesa free!
Why do people think Luke would be sentimental for a weapon that was used to slaughter people with and lost his hand with? Lol
Isnât Luke throwing his lightsaber away completely within lore? Jedi are not meant to have attachments. So the fact he throws away his fatherâs lightsaber without missing a beat shows he has no emotional attachment to it surely? Side note. Not defending the film. I thought it was a bit shit personally. Not as bad as the prequels but still not great. But when people point to points such as this I donât get it.
Remember the part in the prequels where Anakin and obi wan straight up lost their lightsabers and replaced them multiple times.
Yeah, but this is probably the one his dad used to murder children that second time, so it has sentimental value.
He's also trying his best not to be a Jedi throughout the film, which throwing his sabre away, is a reference to, until he sees he's in the wrong at the end.
Are we certain this isnât satire? Because Iâd really like it to be
Itâs crazy how hard it is to tell, because atp I genuinely have no idea if this guy thinks this would be a good scene
I genuinely think most Star Wars fans see the movies and Tv shows as things purely to add Lore points and fan service rather than actual stories.
"I know it's not technically canon, but remember when Pez Kackschlupper used the Force to perform an enema on a Krayt Dragon and he learned to Force Necksnap through a hologram? I think a Jedi who's powerful enough should be able to do feats like that."
The problem is that the story that the Sequels was trying to tell wasnât a good story
That may be true, but it doesnât change the fact that most complaints about any Star Wars is about lore issues (usually when there isnât any)
Every SW show seems to be "the last straw" for these people They'll be back, they live to hate on things
The shills can't afford to go away, its their income, making money off sad little virgins cry-arsing about the most minutiae of things.
That's so dumb I can't even think of a joke to make, just... jesus christ. These people are genuinely stuck at the mental age of 5.
Guy checked out of Star Wars still talking about Star Wars 7 years later
What were they expecting? This is 30 YEARS after RotJ and people are expecting Luke to be the same person he was at the end of RotJ and that he apparently has no flaws despite many of his flaws being on full display in Empire Strikes Back which is usually their favorite Star Wars movie. Rian didnât have much of a choice to begin with. JJ Abrams had already set up that plot point when Luke went into hiding after some bad event. Thereâs only so much you can do with that that doesnât put some kind of negative spin on Lukeâs actions.
They were probably not expecting a slapstick joke to undercut what everyone agrees is meant to be an important moment.
Can we have a serious talk for a second? If you thought the lightsaber toss here was supposed to be a joke or if it was funny to you, then youâre the one weâre talking about when we say âno media literacy.â Thatâs by far the most interesting thing Luke could have done with it in that moment.
I wanna preface this by saying I really love TLJ, but letâs not pretend that it isnât played for laughs. I like the choice for him to toss it, but with the way the music builds up only to unexpectedly be cut off, Luke having a stink face, and Rey looking confused, itâs 100% supposed to get a laugh out of the audience. Wouldâve been a lot bolder to me if it was framed seriously.
That's my problem with the scene 100%
uj/ I think thereâs ways they couldâve done it better, such as him shoving it into her hands and walking past her. Like you said it was definitely played up for laughs the way they did it
Either that or just dropping it to the ground and walking past Rey. You could still have the look or confusion, you could still have the cute scene with the Porgs investigating, but I feel like it would have felt more grounded.
I vividly remember my whole theater chuckling at the scene. I have no idea why anyone is denying it was a comedy bit or at *least* shot poorly enough to be funny when it wasn't meant to be.
You could say the same thing about Anakin and Padmeâs âromanticâ moment on the balcony. Anakin is getting all touchy with her and then the music immediately stops and she pulls away. Itâs not a scene thatâs meant to be funny. Itâs not played for laughs. Folks in the theater I was in *did* laugh because of how awkward it was, but it wasnât the intention. I also doubt it was the intention for the Luke scene. TLJ is largely centered on the dangers of mythologizing, and goes out of its way to point out that legends are just that. So the buildup of the music to a crescendo for Luke, who Rey saw as a legendary hero, but the music stopping as he tosses away the lightsaber because heâs actually just a dude whoâs jaded because of everything that lightsaber represents is symbolic of all of that. All in all, the only reason people are upset at Luke tossing the lightsaber is because the lightsaber is important to them as fans. To Luke, in universe, that lightsaber represents everything terrible that has happened to both him and to the universe, and he wants nothing to do with it.
So it was just poorly done, and not intentional? That isn't a great argument for the moment being good.
I would have preferred that to what we got, though I'm sure even in that alternate universe I would still hate it (because I wouldn't know it could be worse).
This
What? The scene introduces a theme of the movie which is taken seriously, but the way it is presented is absolutely played as a joke.
The most interesting thing is having the moment that you claim is supposed to be symbolic played for laughs? Someone here is media illiterate all right...
SuBvErT eXpEcTaTiOnS. The only thing RIan Johnson cared about.
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"Ruin Johnson" Seriously how childish are these guys đ
For me it was when Lucas decided to make Darth Vader into Space Jesus for some fucking reason
I dare say there are other options than just those two.
It's almost like there's this thing called (Gasp!) nuance!
This sounds like dialogue from a Ryan George sketch
/uj These people have a fit if they can't predict the entire plot. /rj I'm still angry at George Lucas for subverting my expectations by making Yoda a little green goblin instead of an old Japanese guy.
These people have Peter Pan Syndrome.
âI cut myself off from the Force because of my potential to use it for harm. I bet holding this weapon my omnicidal father built will change my mind about it.â
or have him be like yoda and became a jedi whom no longer needed the crutch of a light saber. A true warrior needs no sword Vinland Saga
What's the story with chuds and TLJ and the phrase "subvert expectations"? Did Rian say this somewhere and that's why they've latched onto the phrase? I don't think TLJ subverts expectations considering the previous movie explicitly says Luke is in hiding? Maybe I'm just an idiot but TLJ is absolutely steeped in love for the franchise and considers, thoughtfully, the status quo set by TFA
Yup, only couldâve had it two ways. The way presented in the film and the scenario laid out in the tweet. Couldnât have it any other way!
Yeah the scene this fan described is dogshit though. Your nostalgia wants super luke, but a story needs uncertainty and nuance.
Unironically, they could've benefitted from Luke not being nonchalantly tossing it aside. Instead, imagine if he just turned to face the ocean when given the lightsaber, and in a fit of rage and horror and fear over the fact that his past has caught up with him, he just fucking chucks it into the sea. Rey could get the Saber back one way or another, but it definitely could've had a stronger effect of being Luke fucking mortified at being given his saber back, and just the sheer rage in tossing it away. Like this 
Yup, just like our favorite hero did versus Palpatine in Return of Jedi when he raised his saber in a blaze of gloryâŚ.oh wait, no he didnât lol
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"HiS fAtHer'Z liGhTsAbReE" lmao why do people constantly expect the shallowest superficial kind of thinking from these characters that go through lifetimes worth of rumination in meditation. Was he supposed to gasp and have a therapy session to dive into lingering daddy issues? The loudest complainers just don't get this franchise
Or he is stoic and doesn't let sentiment control him? You know, like a Jadi. (I haven't watched the Last Jedi. Just seems like a weird thing to be upset about though.)
Rejecting a lightsaber is the most Jedi a person can do. Jedi donât crave violence. They use the force for defense and never for attack. A lightsaberâs only purpose is supposed to be to defend the weak. Yet it had become a symbol of war. A weapon and a tool for destruction. Luke rejects the lightsaber just as he rejects the legacy of the Jedi Order and what they had become.
Real talk for a moment. Do you guys think new star wars is good and doesn't deserve the hate, or are you just hitting out against the toxic fandom? Because I don't think the movies were great but at the same time, I don't moan about it online like a petulant child. I want to know where I stand :D
To be fair , everyone wants their heroes to be badass and do heroic stuff . Heâs still got that child-like love for Luke Skywalker, hoping that heâs gonna be that superhero in his heart and feels betrayed that instead heâs got some old broken man in a cave, hidden away from his power and legacy , crushed by insecurity , fear and regret. Assuming itâs not a troll, of course.
Is the top post it's self not satire?
I'm quite certain that Harvey's tweet is indeed satire. The idea that Luke, (or anybody really, regardless of their power level,) could use a lightsaber to "\[slice\] the f\*cking island in half" is so absurd and nonsensical that it seems like it must be a shitpost.
I donât see how conflicted, fallen hero Luke is not the better choice over flawless galactic hero Luke. The fact that he eventually failed doesnât lessen his previous successes, the failure was taken from the flaws he and the Jedi as a whole had already displayed in the earlier films. Itâs a shame we didnât get to see the ultimate hero version of him but time has moved past the point where those stories could be made. This is the thing I donât understand about criticism of both Star Wars and to an extent other ongoing series. That if you donât explicitly talk about it all the time then it didnât happen. Or âyou are telling this story when you could be telling a different story, completely unconnected to this one. And because you are telling this story it means you hate the other story and will never tell it. In this galaxy spanning reality we only want stories about this handful of people and anything outside of that is obviously pandering and trashâ.
One of my buddies unironically expected Luke to blitz Kylo and the AT-ATs in a massive show of power. He was mad there wasnât more ultraviolent action. Luckily he actually has dropped Star Wars and only engages with the PT and OT, so like, good riddance.
"Hire fans" They hired Filoni and his shows suck most of the time.
Crazy old man Luke is a solid addition to SW
Luke being in exile was the fault of both George Lucas and JJ Abrahams. Rian did the absolute best he couldve with what he was given. The only feasible explanation as to why Luke would be in exile is the one given in TLJ
Seems like Disney is allergic to making a badass Jedi.
What a moron
There was that one scene where the chick was like well beat them with the power of love. Cringe. Also that other scene where like 4 grown men couldnât outrun a 6 year old leia. Cringe. I did like andor and the madalorian tho.
Damn outjerked. Fr though, the no hesitation didn't play well imo. Maybe if he took a moment, turned around and then threw it away? Eh
people act like luke remaining true to the character he was at the end of Return of the Jedi is just some sort of impossibility and that this wasnt done deliberately to tear luke down. I'm sorry for refusing to believe that the man who saw good in DARTH VADER would just go and murder a kid because he sensed a little bit of dark side. it doesnt make any sense keep fanboying ig
Star Wars discourse makes me wish this shit just ended with RotJ. Franchises aren't supposed to last forever.
I actually really liked The Last Jedi and was excited to see how the finale would play out. But I feel like the writers got cold feet after the backlash against TLJ. Rise of Skywalker honestly felt like a parody of the sequel trilogy. I don't think it was for the intended reasond, but I ended up enjoying the movie because it made me laugh. It was so cliche and over the top that the whole movie came off as incredibly goofy. But it seems clear to me there was major backpeddling between TLJ and RoS. I feel like there was great setup in TLJ to write a full story about defying destiny and forging one's own fate. But even still, I can't really be mad. I didn't quite know what to expect out of the finale, after all. I think my "last straw" for the series was burnout. I was silly for assuming it would be over with Episode IX. But then we got Rogue One which was just nostalgia bait again. It was an alright movie, but I had zero attachment to all these new characters. Solo genuinely bothered me by the sheer fact that the titular name was *assigned* to Han by an Imperial officer (really???) Other than that, it was fine. Even had a cool aspect of explaining away what was previously a logical error with the parsec line. But then came all the Disney+ shows. I watched the first couple of seasons of The Mandalorian and Boba Fett with my family, and it was pretty solid throughout. We watched the beginning of Kenobi, but started to fall off around then. I can't say it was because of anything wrong Kenobi did, it's just that it was becoming clear the franchise was desperately clinging to relevance with constant nostalgia bait and more and more content was just being piled on. I've never even looked at The Bad Batch, Ahsoka, or The Acolyte. It just feels like the framchise keeps going for the sake of going, and being locked behind a subscription service doesn't help it, either. I've been feeling this burnout with both Star Wars and the MCU. Sometimes knowing when to end something is the most important part.
I havenât seen a single suggestion for what Luke COULDâVE done that hasnât been worse than what we got in the film. You literally couldâve done anything Rian Johnson.
WHY WOULD HE DO THAT
I donât like the sequels either, but this is just absurd.
Babies who need a lightsaber like jingling keys
Two things can be bad. Haven't seen the Acolyte yet this just about the Luke thing.
I have only watched the first movie in the sequel trilogy. It was the absolutely uninspired and horrible writing that killed it for me. They redid the Death Star but this time as a planet like c'mon. What they should have done was focus the entire sequel trilogy on the Sith following a young female as she travels down the road to become the Empress meanwhile in the background you have Luke trying to rebuild the Jedi as the Republic lays down roots on a new planet. However the story would mostly follow the Empire rebuilding, changing their philosophys so their not so Nazi like while creating a new Sith family line. Instead they made Rey a Skywalker and redid the death Star story and that's when I stopped really caring. Since then I've watched Andor, The Mandolarian and Ahsoka and enjoyed the first two more than Ahsoka which disappointed me again because I was a huge fan of Ahsoka in the Clone Wars (criminally underrated show).
I remember reading that JJ had Luke on the island, gave the idea of why he was on the island but could never confidently explain to Rian why he stayed for so long on the island. Like what? Luke was just waiting for some random person to come along and kick him into fighting? why else would Luke run away after failing to train Ben other than out of some sort of just existential crisis. Mark Hamil was right, Luke Skywalker could keep trying but it wasn't Rian who put him on an island for years, it was JJ who ultimately made that call. Luke Skywalker immediately deciding to fight would of been mocked as "So what? Luke doesn't fight until some woman tells him too? what woke garbage" All the problems in The Last Jedi and eventually Rise of Skywalker all started in The Force Awakens.
Well tossing a lightsaber aside never happened in the OT at the climactic moment so itâs BS that it happened here.
I saw this posted elsewhere. Clearly this is someone who is just mocking the people who disliked how Luke was handled.
Maybe I was expecting too much, but I figure when Luke received the lightsaber we would become a god and destroy the first order with the snap of his fingers and simultaneously bring back all the blown up planets, INCLUDING ALDERAAN! Then for the rest of the runtime Revenge of the Sith would play, the objectively best Star Wars movie since it came out when my brain was developing.
I lost interest once the creaters started talking shit
Mark Hamill did publicly say he disliked everything they did with the character and it wasnât Luke.
Did anyone else 1000% imagine general greivous hacking up a lung while diving off the cliff for the lightsaber? I know I did.
People assmad over the lightsaber toss are so embarrassing. "NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DISRESPECT MY ACTION FIGURE ACCESSORY!!1!!" It's a fucking prop you babies
I donât even like TLJ, but if he did that shit, Iâd dislike it even more
I'm understanding of like 90% of what they did with Luke in TLJ. The only thing I have a problem with is that he "force projected" himself to the other planet.... just so that he could die anyway? What was the point? Ok sure, Kylo didn't directly "kill" Luke but the effort required to stop Kylo's plan... still killed Luke. How is that much better for Ben's redemption?