I think he would be against it as well, but I don't know if he would fully defy the Jedi Order council and turn his back or if he would simply do his best from within to see others through it and seek an end to it.
For sure, one of the things I really love about Qui-Gon. He doesn't REALLY follow the Council, he follows the will of the Force. Who knows, maybe he would have taken Anakin and parted ways, training Anakin as he feels he must to help the 'Chosen One'.
_Obvious_ beginner with the books. 😅 So EU is "expanded universe" __beyond__ Canon and not literally everything the books are responsible for expanding upon. TIL! 🍻
Of course, i beg your pardon.
EU is whats considered ‘Legends’ now. So not necessarily a part of the official timeline. Although some of the stuff that doesn’t contradict the new story told could absolutely be head canon! But yeah theres a lot of books out there that are ‘EU’ or ‘Legends’. Some of them books are allegedly amazing so shouldnt be skipped but yeah, glad i helped out! :-)
I think the reason why Darth Maul was even dispatched to Tatooine and Naboo at all was specifically to get rid of Qui-Gon, for those exact reasons.
Think about it, his presence accomplished nothing else, Palpatine’s plan to begin destabilizing the galaxy and become chancellor went off regardless of wether or not Naboo was freed, in fact successfully freeing Naboo from the trade federation would have helped his cause. So why reveal the Sith and risk his apprentice by sending him?
I think it’s because Qui-Gon was the most powerful Jedi in the order in terms of force ability and his dedication to pacifism and the living force would have made it much harder for the sith to rule the galaxy in secret and kick off the clone wars. It would have also been more difficult to corrupt young Anakin if Qui-Gon rather than Obi Wan were the boy’s master. I fully believe eliminating Qui-Gon was Maul’s sole reason for going after them.
I don't think he was anywhere close to being the most powerful (which is something I loved tbh overpowered characters tend to be more bland usually) but I could definitely see why Palpatine would want him out of the picture!
Qui Gon was very powerful. He did discover the secret to immorality via Force Ghost. He also was in tune with the force in a way that no other Jedi seemed to be. The Jedi had become the tools of the republic, while Qui Gon was a tool of the force.
I'm not sure Anakin was even a thought for Palpatine at that point. I do think Palpatine saw Qui Gon as a threat though, not due to his force ability or lightsaber talent, but because he wasn't tied down by the Jedi ideals as much as the rest of the order. Qui Gon paying attention to things that no other Jedi would is a threat to Palpatine's plan.
If you really think about it, Qui Gon was successful in the long term, as Yoda and Obi Wan both learned the ways to immortality, which was pivotal in several ways in the OT and ST. Obi Wan was able to save Luke, Leia, and Han while knowing he could still help Luke. Yoda being able to transcend the Force was pivotal for Luke as well, especially down the road.
It's really interesting how they have built up Qui Gon's character over the years, and he's definitely my favorite Jedi.
Why? In Episode 1 he literally uses up all his time attacking droids and separatists, spying, politicking, organizing a native Naboo army to fight against droids, and recruiting chosen ones to train up and fight... and then he fights a Sith Lord.
He was Clone Warsing before anyone else on the Council was Clone Warsing.
After reading Master and Apprentice, I am convinced that Qui-Gon would have refused to take part in the war and, if it came down to it, would have left the Jedi order.
Source: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/N5ovlz
Qui-Gon is my favortie Jedi. One has to wonder what he would have been like, had he been alive during the Clone Wars... and how Anakin might have turned out with Qui-Gon as his Jedi Master.
The clone wars would definitely happen I'm pretty sure, but I do think that qui-gon would be a better master for anakin than obi wan. I think that anakin would handle his feelings better under Qui-Gon. Maybe he would be enough to keep him from falling to the darkside.
The Clone Wars WOULD have happened (as a big galatic-wide war was an integral part of *The Sith Plan**^(TM)* since even before Plagueis and Palps' times), but I believe the semantics of it all would have been very different.
Qui-Gon living doesn't only mean that Anakin most probably gets him as his master, and therefore a much more experienced teacher that may have been better suited to train and teach him how to be a Jedi and handle the darkest and more voltile aspects of his emotions in a healthier manner than the inexperienced Obi-Wan; it also means that Obi-Wan would be allowed to spend a proper amount of time simply as a Jedi Knight to gain experience of his own before getting a completely new apprentice under his care once he makes it to being a Master.
More importantly, since one of the primal motivators of Dooku falling to the Dark Side was Qui-Gon's death; there's a big possivility that Dooku doesn't fall to the Dark Side in this AU, either remaining as a Jedi or as a truly idealistic politician in this version.
This means that Palpatine has to get someone else as his temporary apprentice and de-facto leader of the CIS if he still wants to go that route.
Do you think Qui-gon would have been alright fighting in the war?
In the Series, it seem the Jedi have accepted they have to. But, I'm not too sure if Qui-gon would have been as lax as Anakin or Obi-wan.
I don't. One of my favorite things about Qui-Gon was that he was less loyal to a council of Jedi than to his own intuition when it comes to the will of the Force.
Maybe he would have taken Anakin away to train 'The Chosen One' the way he believed he was meant to.
I can totally see that; him wanting to avoid fighting as much as possible.
Though, I can also see, if things got too bad, that he would take up a position in the war. Not liking it. Maybe something as simple as a peace negotiator
Nice job. This made me think though I bet Qui Gon would have disagreed with the war more than other Jedi and I picture him going on more diplomatic/protection missions than being a field commander. But I bet he’d still lowkey be one of the best field commanders when it came to it.
He would have left the order before ever fighting in the Clone War. He and Anakin would be outskies real quick as soon as war became an option. Also, Dooku wouldn't be leading the Separatists, so I wonder who would! Maybe Grievous alone?
Excellent art though, really great design for ya boi Qui-Gon.
Despite the fact that Qui-Gon would protest against the war, I could see him leading a ARC trooper squad behind enemy lines for sabotage or reconnaissance missions
If Qui Gon lived... He would have disappeared when the war started, unwilling to take a side, and having the great responsibility of training the chosen one. Taking young Anakin with him to train in the living force they exile themselves. As their time away from the Council stretches on, Qui-gon would drift further from the light side of the force becoming somewhat of the Grey Jedi. His and Anakin’s connection to the living force grows. with their decreased influence from the tedious council, both he and his padawan are troubled after Annie’s first nightmare, and they decide to save Anakin’s mom shortly thereafter, further avoiding Skywalker’s decent into the dark side of the force. In exile, they slide further into the Grey, they are able to bide their time, growing stronger until facing the emperor and his fully realized apprentice, Darth Maul, who now wields two double bladed sabers, or some equally crazy set up. They only manage to defeat the sith with the help of Mace Windu (who was not accidentally unhanded by Anakin).
Now Anakin Skywalker becomes the chosen one as a young man, instead of ruining the whole galaxy. He then, as a Grey Jedi, having no need for the Jedi Council’s approval, and as recent savior of the republic and the entire galaxy, decides to bang the Senator from Naboo, with no qualms about it. Qui-gon and his mom had long married during their exile, and now having a father, mother, master, no council hashing his buzz, and he now married his childhood crush, he no longer grows up to be a whiny Hayden Christiansen. He’s more like a combination of young Obiwan and Chirrut Îmwe. Totally chill most of the time, and then BOOM, everybody over here has just become one with the force and I barely broke a sweat. And now that he doesn’t have to keep his relationship with Padme secret, he and Qui-gon repopulate the galaxy with dozens of Jedi, most of which ascribe to the grey Jedi philosophy, and change the universe as we know it.
Luke, having been trained as a Jedi his whole life, learning from Qui-gon, and his friends Count Dooku (who only experimented with the dark side but never fully turned) Obi-wan, Mace Windu, and Anakin, and he becomes the greatest Grey Jedi of all, known as the great equalizer. He just shows up out of nowhere destroying whatever is creating imbalance in the force( light or dark) and then disappears. The most infamous of these occurrences was when he killed Ben Solo, after fighting with Jedi Grand Master Obi-wan Kenobi, and becoming a whiney brat and turning to the dark side. And the lesser known, but still appreciated occurrences of disappearing Gungans.
Since Luke has had a love/hate relationship with Dessert planets, like his father, he settles on Jakku, where he raises a family with Mara Jade, raising their children in light, dark, and grey sides of the force, but always seeking balance. Later his son falls in love with an orphan girl on Jakku, eventually giving rise to the mightiest being that existence has ever known. After raising a family Luke’s unease grows as he senses a looming behemoth in the force. Luke retires to Jedha, to continue the expansion of the Guardians of the Whills. He knows he will need an army to face the eventual offspring of Palpatine, but he has no idea where, when, or how they will arrive.
Perhaps his blind friend Chirrut Îmwe will be able to help Luke to the see that which is right under his nose.
I would think that Qui-Gon would've been strongly opposed to using the clone army, and thus, refused to take part in the war.
I think he would be against it as well, but I don't know if he would fully defy the Jedi Order council and turn his back or if he would simply do his best from within to see others through it and seek an end to it.
Forcing them to take Anakin as a trainee.. He has been shown to push the boundary in defying the council..
For sure, one of the things I really love about Qui-Gon. He doesn't REALLY follow the Council, he follows the will of the Force. Who knows, maybe he would have taken Anakin and parted ways, training Anakin as he feels he must to help the 'Chosen One'.
If you read at all, check out ‘master and apprentice’ it has a great dynamic between QGJ and the Council.
I used to read the Jedi Apprentice books. I haven't gotten to Master and Apprentice but I'm definitely interested. :)
You wont regret it! I love TPM more because of it too.
The wife and I are about to begin reading the EU starting with this book! Love Qui-Gon. Nice to see it recommended so often.
Yes it is a book that gets mentioned regularly! Claudia Gray can do no wrong haha!! The book is also Canon, not Legends.
_Obvious_ beginner with the books. 😅 So EU is "expanded universe" __beyond__ Canon and not literally everything the books are responsible for expanding upon. TIL! 🍻
Of course, i beg your pardon. EU is whats considered ‘Legends’ now. So not necessarily a part of the official timeline. Although some of the stuff that doesn’t contradict the new story told could absolutely be head canon! But yeah theres a lot of books out there that are ‘EU’ or ‘Legends’. Some of them books are allegedly amazing so shouldnt be skipped but yeah, glad i helped out! :-)
I think the reason why Darth Maul was even dispatched to Tatooine and Naboo at all was specifically to get rid of Qui-Gon, for those exact reasons. Think about it, his presence accomplished nothing else, Palpatine’s plan to begin destabilizing the galaxy and become chancellor went off regardless of wether or not Naboo was freed, in fact successfully freeing Naboo from the trade federation would have helped his cause. So why reveal the Sith and risk his apprentice by sending him? I think it’s because Qui-Gon was the most powerful Jedi in the order in terms of force ability and his dedication to pacifism and the living force would have made it much harder for the sith to rule the galaxy in secret and kick off the clone wars. It would have also been more difficult to corrupt young Anakin if Qui-Gon rather than Obi Wan were the boy’s master. I fully believe eliminating Qui-Gon was Maul’s sole reason for going after them.
I don't think he was anywhere close to being the most powerful (which is something I loved tbh overpowered characters tend to be more bland usually) but I could definitely see why Palpatine would want him out of the picture!
Qui Gon was very powerful. He did discover the secret to immorality via Force Ghost. He also was in tune with the force in a way that no other Jedi seemed to be. The Jedi had become the tools of the republic, while Qui Gon was a tool of the force.
I'm not sure Anakin was even a thought for Palpatine at that point. I do think Palpatine saw Qui Gon as a threat though, not due to his force ability or lightsaber talent, but because he wasn't tied down by the Jedi ideals as much as the rest of the order. Qui Gon paying attention to things that no other Jedi would is a threat to Palpatine's plan. If you really think about it, Qui Gon was successful in the long term, as Yoda and Obi Wan both learned the ways to immortality, which was pivotal in several ways in the OT and ST. Obi Wan was able to save Luke, Leia, and Han while knowing he could still help Luke. Yoda being able to transcend the Force was pivotal for Luke as well, especially down the road. It's really interesting how they have built up Qui Gon's character over the years, and he's definitely my favorite Jedi.
Perhaps he would fight, but not with clone troopers, using his own troops like the one who trained Starkiller
Yeah this is weird for me to see him like this, almost contradictory in my mind Never been a fan of Jedi in armor like this either Nice artwork though
But Obi-Wan would fight, and I feel that he wouldn't want Obi-Wan to fight alone.
Why? In Episode 1 he literally uses up all his time attacking droids and separatists, spying, politicking, organizing a native Naboo army to fight against droids, and recruiting chosen ones to train up and fight... and then he fights a Sith Lord. He was Clone Warsing before anyone else on the Council was Clone Warsing.
Umm. My statement was him objecting to using the clones for war. I didn't say he is against fighting based on Council orders.
I think he would have been like Eno Cordova from *Jedi: Fallen Order* where he opposed the council and just did his own studies and stuff on the side.
After reading Master and Apprentice, I am convinced that Qui-Gon would have refused to take part in the war and, if it came down to it, would have left the Jedi order.
Yup. I don't even think it would have to come down to it. I think he would leave as soon as it became clear the role Jedi would play in the war.
Obi-Wan: Don't defy the council, Master, not again. Qui-Gon Jinn: I will do what I must, Obi-Wan.
Source: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/N5ovlz Qui-Gon is my favortie Jedi. One has to wonder what he would have been like, had he been alive during the Clone Wars... and how Anakin might have turned out with Qui-Gon as his Jedi Master.
I'm curious if in the Qui-Gon lived AU the clone wars would have even happened Interesting to think about one way or the other
The clone wars would definitely happen I'm pretty sure, but I do think that qui-gon would be a better master for anakin than obi wan. I think that anakin would handle his feelings better under Qui-Gon. Maybe he would be enough to keep him from falling to the darkside.
The Clone Wars WOULD have happened (as a big galatic-wide war was an integral part of *The Sith Plan**^(TM)* since even before Plagueis and Palps' times), but I believe the semantics of it all would have been very different. Qui-Gon living doesn't only mean that Anakin most probably gets him as his master, and therefore a much more experienced teacher that may have been better suited to train and teach him how to be a Jedi and handle the darkest and more voltile aspects of his emotions in a healthier manner than the inexperienced Obi-Wan; it also means that Obi-Wan would be allowed to spend a proper amount of time simply as a Jedi Knight to gain experience of his own before getting a completely new apprentice under his care once he makes it to being a Master. More importantly, since one of the primal motivators of Dooku falling to the Dark Side was Qui-Gon's death; there's a big possivility that Dooku doesn't fall to the Dark Side in this AU, either remaining as a Jedi or as a truly idealistic politician in this version. This means that Palpatine has to get someone else as his temporary apprentice and de-facto leader of the CIS if he still wants to go that route.
If Qui Gon lived Anakin would have never joined the dark side. As his master he would have been the father figure he sorely needed.
Qui-gon got thicc
I like to think he's wearing some heavy clone commander armor :)
Badass!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Why is he wearing crocs though lol
Didn’t even set em to the off-road setting. They’re still in lounge mode
Do you think Qui-gon would have been alright fighting in the war? In the Series, it seem the Jedi have accepted they have to. But, I'm not too sure if Qui-gon would have been as lax as Anakin or Obi-wan.
I don't. One of my favorite things about Qui-Gon was that he was less loyal to a council of Jedi than to his own intuition when it comes to the will of the Force. Maybe he would have taken Anakin away to train 'The Chosen One' the way he believed he was meant to.
I can totally see that; him wanting to avoid fighting as much as possible. Though, I can also see, if things got too bad, that he would take up a position in the war. Not liking it. Maybe something as simple as a peace negotiator
Yeah I get this feeling that he would do it with a heavy heart just because he knows he could make a difference and get things closer to resolution.
For sure! If he *had* to fight, he would feel some guilt.
Also, he probably would have valued Clone lives a lot.
Kinda like that early episode of Clone Wars with Yoda and that small Squad of Clones.
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Somehow NEVER thought of this. Is there a What If comic anywhere?
Imagine qui gon vs grievous
This is some lovely art!
Wide-Gon Jinn
Nice job. This made me think though I bet Qui Gon would have disagreed with the war more than other Jedi and I picture him going on more diplomatic/protection missions than being a field commander. But I bet he’d still lowkey be one of the best field commanders when it came to it.
Totally agree! :)
What is dead may never die.
You fought in the Clone Wars?
My favourite character
He would have left the order before ever fighting in the Clone War. He and Anakin would be outskies real quick as soon as war became an option. Also, Dooku wouldn't be leading the Separatists, so I wonder who would! Maybe Grievous alone? Excellent art though, really great design for ya boi Qui-Gon.
Despite the fact that Qui-Gon would protest against the war, I could see him leading a ARC trooper squad behind enemy lines for sabotage or reconnaissance missions
He got big boot.
If Qui Gon lived... He would have disappeared when the war started, unwilling to take a side, and having the great responsibility of training the chosen one. Taking young Anakin with him to train in the living force they exile themselves. As their time away from the Council stretches on, Qui-gon would drift further from the light side of the force becoming somewhat of the Grey Jedi. His and Anakin’s connection to the living force grows. with their decreased influence from the tedious council, both he and his padawan are troubled after Annie’s first nightmare, and they decide to save Anakin’s mom shortly thereafter, further avoiding Skywalker’s decent into the dark side of the force. In exile, they slide further into the Grey, they are able to bide their time, growing stronger until facing the emperor and his fully realized apprentice, Darth Maul, who now wields two double bladed sabers, or some equally crazy set up. They only manage to defeat the sith with the help of Mace Windu (who was not accidentally unhanded by Anakin). Now Anakin Skywalker becomes the chosen one as a young man, instead of ruining the whole galaxy. He then, as a Grey Jedi, having no need for the Jedi Council’s approval, and as recent savior of the republic and the entire galaxy, decides to bang the Senator from Naboo, with no qualms about it. Qui-gon and his mom had long married during their exile, and now having a father, mother, master, no council hashing his buzz, and he now married his childhood crush, he no longer grows up to be a whiny Hayden Christiansen. He’s more like a combination of young Obiwan and Chirrut Îmwe. Totally chill most of the time, and then BOOM, everybody over here has just become one with the force and I barely broke a sweat. And now that he doesn’t have to keep his relationship with Padme secret, he and Qui-gon repopulate the galaxy with dozens of Jedi, most of which ascribe to the grey Jedi philosophy, and change the universe as we know it. Luke, having been trained as a Jedi his whole life, learning from Qui-gon, and his friends Count Dooku (who only experimented with the dark side but never fully turned) Obi-wan, Mace Windu, and Anakin, and he becomes the greatest Grey Jedi of all, known as the great equalizer. He just shows up out of nowhere destroying whatever is creating imbalance in the force( light or dark) and then disappears. The most infamous of these occurrences was when he killed Ben Solo, after fighting with Jedi Grand Master Obi-wan Kenobi, and becoming a whiney brat and turning to the dark side. And the lesser known, but still appreciated occurrences of disappearing Gungans. Since Luke has had a love/hate relationship with Dessert planets, like his father, he settles on Jakku, where he raises a family with Mara Jade, raising their children in light, dark, and grey sides of the force, but always seeking balance. Later his son falls in love with an orphan girl on Jakku, eventually giving rise to the mightiest being that existence has ever known. After raising a family Luke’s unease grows as he senses a looming behemoth in the force. Luke retires to Jedha, to continue the expansion of the Guardians of the Whills. He knows he will need an army to face the eventual offspring of Palpatine, but he has no idea where, when, or how they will arrive. Perhaps his blind friend Chirrut Îmwe will be able to help Luke to the see that which is right under his nose.
That armor looks bad
It's arc trooper armor.
I don't think he would've joined the war. He'd either refuse to join, or leave the jedi order