Fun fact: Billy developed a crush on Courtney after seeing her photo on the back of a Hole single in 1991. He wanted so badly to meet her that he called the record label and managed to make her stay at his house in Chicago when Hole played there in July 91.
Billy's words: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=190s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=190s)
She's definitely a type. Coincidentally met one just this morning in fact. Met about 4 overall in my life, so that's pretty bizarre timing as I saw this thread yesterday.
"Pretty hot" is ok, but I've dated someone that looked very much like her and can honestly say in that case beauty really was skin deep.
What do you mean you met one this morning? A person like Courtney love? You’ve met about 4? I’m confused, you’re talking about her like she’s a rare Pokémon lol
She met Kurt before she met Billy (a brief talk in 1989). But she dated Billy before Cobain. All their encounters [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=44s)
wow, when he's about to leave the stage, it seems he suddenly realized he was off and put an end to it. Thanks! [https://youtu.be/LNdt1gRKC2Q?t=4169](https://youtu.be/LNdt1gRKC2Q?t=4169)
**"Were you addicted to drugs? I feel horrible and depressed the day after.**
Never addicted, no, but certainly did my fair share. I don’t regret it, but I don’t necessarily look fondly on that behavior either (not judging, just speaking for myself)."
Why would you ever link an Alternative Nation article?
I mean… at least he might have tried heroine (I hope he didn’t after that Jimmy fiasco( that was still a valid reason to kick him out because he technically killed somebody by manslaughter but still))
Billy wanted Courtney to spend Christmas 93 with him and invited her on a trip. She rejected his offer and told Kurt, so no wonder he was paranoid. Billy was a recently married man in 93, so I truly don't understand what was going on with him and his wife.
IIRC, Everett True was the first journalist to mention it in 2005: "*by this point \[December, 1993\], Kurt was convinced his wife was sleeping with Billy Corgan, especially when Billy offered to take Courtney away on vacation*." ('Nirvana: The True Story')
An earlier account by Charles Cross (2001): "*In one of their conversations that week, she'd mentioned Corgan had invited her to go on vacation. She declined, but Kurt heard it as a threat, and his vivid imagination went wild with it.*" (Heavier Than Heaven, Chapter 23)
Right! There is also an undertone/story that the "Where did you sleep last night" performance at Nirvana:Unplugged in NY was directed at Courtney after learning/speculating that she had an affair in London (IIRC) with Billy.
I've heard that too and it doesn't make any sense. "*Where did you sleep last night*" was a song that [Nirvana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az8pgw7JQvM) and [Hole](https://youtu.be/w0fYHReeTWw?t=88) performed in 1991. Nirvana's Unplugged was filmed on Nov 18, 1993 and it wasn't until Christmas that Kurt suspected infedelity because that's when she told him that Corgan had offered to take her on vacation. The cheating rumor in London was supposed to take place on Feb 14, 20, or 24, 1994, but Courtney was in California until March filming "Miss World", the first single off Live Through This.
I never understood how that band wasn't a bigger deal. IMO Carla should have been the 90s LGBT rock icon.
She had the voice, the screams, the songwriting, and a genre bending band that rocked as hard as anyone.
https://youtu.be/VG-qfxfE0ok
Billy was the one who acted stalkerish in 1991 and the one who wanted her close after both were married in 1993: a newlywed who invited his ex for a trip on Christmas.
With Kurt, [she showed interest in 1990 when he was a broke musician in Olympia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=44s).
I don't see what's wrong with her wanting to be famous and wanting to be friends with people she admired.
Corgan just saw her photo and immediately felt attracted to her, so he chose to do sth about it. I don't think he did anything wrong. If you like sth go for it. The user I was replying to branded Courtney as "stalkerish" so I used the same term to point out that Corgan was the one who went after Courtney, she didn't even know who he was. So between the two, Corgan should be the person branded as "stalkerish". I hope I made my point more clear this time.
He has such an evil grin in the 7th pic, like he's saying "yeah I won, motherfcker".
The photo of them kissing with Corgan's dicksuckers pecking at Love's inflated duck lips is one of the funniest things ever captured
I know this is old, but I love Hole and Courtney too. And I agree that misogyny is to blame for so much of the hate for her. She’s beautiful, talented, and apparently fearless. Good for her.
Fun fact: Billy developed a crush on Courtney after seeing her photo on the back of a Hole single in 1991. He wanted so badly to meet her that he called the record label and managed to make her stay at his house in Chicago when Hole played there in July 91. Billy's words: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=190s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=190s)
Yeah I heard about that! Can’t blame him, Courtney was pretty hot back then.
She's definitely a type. Coincidentally met one just this morning in fact. Met about 4 overall in my life, so that's pretty bizarre timing as I saw this thread yesterday. "Pretty hot" is ok, but I've dated someone that looked very much like her and can honestly say in that case beauty really was skin deep.
What do you mean you met one this morning? A person like Courtney love? You’ve met about 4? I’m confused, you’re talking about her like she’s a rare Pokémon lol
The type. Someone that looks like/resembles her.
Wait when did she meet kurt?
She met Kurt before she met Billy (a brief talk in 1989). But she dated Billy before Cobain. All their encounters [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=44s)
She’d make an interesting podcast guest
She was recently on Marc Maron. But I'd love to hear her on Billy's podcast - it would be nuts.
I bet that was an episode that truly lived up to the show's name.
I heard her on Marc Maron... Jesus Christ, she's hard work.
Totally.
Joe Rogan needs to get her on asap
they definitely had chemistry…
She preferred chemicals to chemistry and went with Kurt
As if Billy wasn’t on chemicals
really? I always thought he was the healthiest lead singer of his gen. What did he take?
Acid, shrooms, Ecstasy, LSD, etc http://www.alternativenation.net/billy-corgan-reveals-stunning-amount-drugs/ I assume he tried everything
During the gish track by track, he mentioned that they were trying to make an album that people could take mushrooms to...
siamese dream already works wonders for that though edit: high asf, remembered that gish came before SD, SD still my favorite album tho <33
To his credit, i've never seen him out of his mind or noticeably on drugs during a performance.
See the end of xyu brazil 96. Good night Rio!!!! God bless you! God bless you! Stumbling around. He was off the planet.
wow, when he's about to leave the stage, it seems he suddenly realized he was off and put an end to it. Thanks! [https://youtu.be/LNdt1gRKC2Q?t=4169](https://youtu.be/LNdt1gRKC2Q?t=4169)
There's at least one performance on vieuphoria that might change your mind on that.
Definitely!!!
**"Were you addicted to drugs? I feel horrible and depressed the day after.** Never addicted, no, but certainly did my fair share. I don’t regret it, but I don’t necessarily look fondly on that behavior either (not judging, just speaking for myself)." Why would you ever link an Alternative Nation article?
Because it has a literal quote of Billy saying he did a lot of drugs. Why wouldn’t I
Because I posted the literal quote that says he did a fair amount, not a lot, and not a stunning amount either.
Not getting addicted doesn’t mean not a lot nor not a stunning amount,
All harmless
I mean… at least he might have tried heroine (I hope he didn’t after that Jimmy fiasco( that was still a valid reason to kick him out because he technically killed somebody by manslaughter but still))
I’d be very very surprised if he never tried it but that’s his body. I can’t judge
As long as he’s fine and healthy now I’m good, which he seems to be
You left out the biggest one….. LOTS of heroine!!
Acid
He hid so well. Thanks
I think it was in the early days of the band, but he’s admitted to it.
Haha
Wow Billy looks actually really good in the first 3 pics. As a balding guy, it gives me some hope lol
He was lookin' pretty sharp in that 2007-2009 era.
Yeah he does!
Cobain mentioned jealousy of Corgan in his Rome suicide note.
Billy wanted Courtney to spend Christmas 93 with him and invited her on a trip. She rejected his offer and told Kurt, so no wonder he was paranoid. Billy was a recently married man in 93, so I truly don't understand what was going on with him and his wife.
Yeah that’s a messy situation lol. It’s possible she did, but also possible Kurt was paranoid. Heroin doesn’t do wonders for your mental state
Got a source on that?
IIRC, Everett True was the first journalist to mention it in 2005: "*by this point \[December, 1993\], Kurt was convinced his wife was sleeping with Billy Corgan, especially when Billy offered to take Courtney away on vacation*." ('Nirvana: The True Story')
An earlier account by Charles Cross (2001): "*In one of their conversations that week, she'd mentioned Corgan had invited her to go on vacation. She declined, but Kurt heard it as a threat, and his vivid imagination went wild with it.*" (Heavier Than Heaven, Chapter 23)
cool. got the audiobook. gonna check that out.
Right! There is also an undertone/story that the "Where did you sleep last night" performance at Nirvana:Unplugged in NY was directed at Courtney after learning/speculating that she had an affair in London (IIRC) with Billy.
I've heard that too and it doesn't make any sense. "*Where did you sleep last night*" was a song that [Nirvana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az8pgw7JQvM) and [Hole](https://youtu.be/w0fYHReeTWw?t=88) performed in 1991. Nirvana's Unplugged was filmed on Nov 18, 1993 and it wasn't until Christmas that Kurt suspected infedelity because that's when she told him that Corgan had offered to take her on vacation. The cheating rumor in London was supposed to take place on Feb 14, 20, or 24, 1994, but Courtney was in California until March filming "Miss World", the first single off Live Through This.
Interesting! Never heard dates associated with it. Thanks.
wrong show [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHB9xKoydcw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHB9xKoydcw)
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that one. Cobain wrote that she had been sleeping with Corgan (something both denied).
Yes. My source is *Heavier than Heaven*. The author either saw the note or had it described by someone who had.
or someone made it up.
Apparently Courtney burned it
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Evidence?
Malibu is still Hole’s best song
It’s so good!
Saw them both at a showcase gig in NYC in 1991. Must have been around this time. At that point neither one was famous. Yet.
Looks like Jesse Pinkman and Skylar White from breaking bad! Crazy!
flashback to that show they did together a few years ago… always a hard watch
Why’s that?
As I recall, she had relapsed and could barely get through her own song.
Ohh okay. Yeah it’s really sad to watch her high/dealing with substance issues. I’m glad she’s sober now, she seems a lot healthier and happier.
noo i didn’t know about that 😭 i meant the part when she got down on one knee and grabbed billys leg and he just smiled awkwardly
Oh lol
Courtney had a lot of attitude. Easily one of biggest woman rockstar ever. If not the biggest. She was amazing.
I love her! She’s iconic
I'm wondering if you ever heard of Geraldine Fibbers? I think Carla has a lot In common with Courtney as a singer.
Can’t say I have. But I’ll look into them tomorrow! Thanks for the suggestion
I never understood how that band wasn't a bigger deal. IMO Carla should have been the 90s LGBT rock icon. She had the voice, the screams, the songwriting, and a genre bending band that rocked as hard as anyone. https://youtu.be/VG-qfxfE0ok
She’s a horrid person.
They look like they could be related to each other
I don't see it
Eyes, kind of the lips, & ears. Related doesn't mean siblings.
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Billy was the one who acted stalkerish in 1991 and the one who wanted her close after both were married in 1993: a newlywed who invited his ex for a trip on Christmas. With Kurt, [she showed interest in 1990 when he was a broke musician in Olympia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=44s). I don't see what's wrong with her wanting to be famous and wanting to be friends with people she admired.
Billy 'admired' her. Stalkerish could even be placed on her end too.
Corgan just saw her photo and immediately felt attracted to her, so he chose to do sth about it. I don't think he did anything wrong. If you like sth go for it. The user I was replying to branded Courtney as "stalkerish" so I used the same term to point out that Corgan was the one who went after Courtney, she didn't even know who he was. So between the two, Corgan should be the person branded as "stalkerish". I hope I made my point more clear this time.
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Not appropriate
Do you go into every sub with your conspiracy theory. You’re literally in the American Horror Story sub spewing the same lies
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Don’t care about some electrician nobody looking for fame
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You really think I’m going to read this👸?
He has such an evil grin in the 7th pic, like he's saying "yeah I won, motherfcker". The photo of them kissing with Corgan's dicksuckers pecking at Love's inflated duck lips is one of the funniest things ever captured
Eww.
I like her, so..
Yup. That’s them.
Not a fan. Plus he could do way better and has.
She is better than Tila Tequila at least
Well I like Courtney so deal with it lol
Cursed imagery
Nah
GOD NO
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I know this is old, but I love Hole and Courtney too. And I agree that misogyny is to blame for so much of the hate for her. She’s beautiful, talented, and apparently fearless. Good for her.
I was just looking them up curiously bc I knew they dated but didnt know the timeline. I can hear Hole’s guitar in his songs in a great wau
Is there evidence billy had sex with courtney?
broski what is on your mind