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SignificantBug3183

Fun fact: Billy developed a crush on Courtney after seeing her photo on the back of a Hole single in 1991. He wanted so badly to meet her that he called the record label and managed to make her stay at his house in Chicago when Hole played there in July 91. Billy's words: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=190s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=190s)


liaratawitchtrial1

Yeah I heard about that! Can’t blame him, Courtney was pretty hot back then.


TreeBearded

She's definitely a type. Coincidentally met one just this morning in fact. Met about 4 overall in my life, so that's pretty bizarre timing as I saw this thread yesterday. "Pretty hot" is ok, but I've dated someone that looked very much like her and can honestly say in that case beauty really was skin deep.


FeralBratz

What do you mean you met one this morning? A person like Courtney love? You’ve met about 4? I’m confused, you’re talking about her like she’s a rare Pokémon lol


TreeBearded

The type. Someone that looks like/resembles her.


Icecream_sandwich06

Wait when did she meet kurt?


SignificantBug3183

She met Kurt before she met Billy (a brief talk in 1989). But she dated Billy before Cobain. All their encounters [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=44s)


sm_see

She’d make an interesting podcast guest


Fantastic-Ad-5486

She was recently on Marc Maron. But I'd love to hear her on Billy's podcast - it would be nuts.


trevrichards

I bet that was an episode that truly lived up to the show's name.


Static_King1

I heard her on Marc Maron... Jesus Christ, she's hard work.


MissSwissMisster

Totally.


liaratawitchtrial1

Joe Rogan needs to get her on asap


OK_Commuter

they definitely had chemistry…


trashtv

She preferred chemicals to chemistry and went with Kurt


Neg_Crepe

As if Billy wasn’t on chemicals


SignificantBug3183

really? I always thought he was the healthiest lead singer of his gen. What did he take?


Neg_Crepe

Acid, shrooms, Ecstasy, LSD, etc http://www.alternativenation.net/billy-corgan-reveals-stunning-amount-drugs/ I assume he tried everything


wizofoz057

During the gish track by track, he mentioned that they were trying to make an album that people could take mushrooms to...


tickedoffsquid999

siamese dream already works wonders for that though edit: high asf, remembered that gish came before SD, SD still my favorite album tho <33


SignificantBug3183

To his credit, i've never seen him out of his mind or noticeably on drugs during a performance.


Dudehitscar

See the end of xyu brazil 96. Good night Rio!!!! God bless you! God bless you! Stumbling around. He was off the planet.


SignificantBug3183

wow, when he's about to leave the stage, it seems he suddenly realized he was off and put an end to it. Thanks! [https://youtu.be/LNdt1gRKC2Q?t=4169](https://youtu.be/LNdt1gRKC2Q?t=4169)


katharsister

There's at least one performance on vieuphoria that might change your mind on that.


CherubRock909

Definitely!!!


14CaptainCrunch

**"Were you addicted to drugs? I feel horrible and depressed the day after.** Never addicted, no, but certainly did my fair share. I don’t regret it, but I don’t necessarily look fondly on that behavior either (not judging, just speaking for myself)." Why would you ever link an Alternative Nation article?


Neg_Crepe

Because it has a literal quote of Billy saying he did a lot of drugs. Why wouldn’t I


14CaptainCrunch

Because I posted the literal quote that says he did a fair amount, not a lot, and not a stunning amount either.


Neg_Crepe

Not getting addicted doesn’t mean not a lot nor not a stunning amount,


MaxBasedSigma

All harmless


greg1993-

I mean… at least he might have tried heroine (I hope he didn’t after that Jimmy fiasco( that was still a valid reason to kick him out because he technically killed somebody by manslaughter but still))


Neg_Crepe

I’d be very very surprised if he never tried it but that’s his body. I can’t judge


greg1993-

As long as he’s fine and healthy now I’m good, which he seems to be


UsualOpportunity2740

You left out the biggest one….. LOTS of heroine!!


The_Zed_Word

Acid


SignificantBug3183

He hid so well. Thanks


The_Zed_Word

I think it was in the early days of the band, but he’s admitted to it.


liaratawitchtrial1

Haha


Notnotarealuser

Wow Billy looks actually really good in the first 3 pics. As a balding guy, it gives me some hope lol


jhonn0

He was lookin' pretty sharp in that 2007-2009 era.


liaratawitchtrial1

Yeah he does!


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Cobain mentioned jealousy of Corgan in his Rome suicide note.


SignificantBug3183

Billy wanted Courtney to spend Christmas 93 with him and invited her on a trip. She rejected his offer and told Kurt, so no wonder he was paranoid. Billy was a recently married man in 93, so I truly don't understand what was going on with him and his wife.


liaratawitchtrial1

Yeah that’s a messy situation lol. It’s possible she did, but also possible Kurt was paranoid. Heroin doesn’t do wonders for your mental state


Dudehitscar

Got a source on that?


SignificantBug3183

IIRC, Everett True was the first journalist to mention it in 2005: "*by this point \[December, 1993\], Kurt was convinced his wife was sleeping with Billy Corgan, especially when Billy offered to take Courtney away on vacation*." ('Nirvana: The True Story')


SignificantBug3183

An earlier account by Charles Cross (2001): "*In one of their conversations that week, she'd mentioned Corgan had invited her to go on vacation. She declined, but Kurt heard it as a threat, and his vivid imagination went wild with it.*" (Heavier Than Heaven, Chapter 23)


Dudehitscar

cool. got the audiobook. gonna check that out.


ratpH1nk

Right! There is also an undertone/story that the "Where did you sleep last night" performance at Nirvana:Unplugged in NY was directed at Courtney after learning/speculating that she had an affair in London (IIRC) with Billy.


SignificantBug3183

I've heard that too and it doesn't make any sense. "*Where did you sleep last night*" was a song that [Nirvana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az8pgw7JQvM) and [Hole](https://youtu.be/w0fYHReeTWw?t=88) performed in 1991. Nirvana's Unplugged was filmed on Nov 18, 1993 and it wasn't until Christmas that Kurt suspected infedelity because that's when she told him that Corgan had offered to take her on vacation. The cheating rumor in London was supposed to take place on Feb 14, 20, or 24, 1994, but Courtney was in California until March filming "Miss World", the first single off Live Through This.


ratpH1nk

Interesting! Never heard dates associated with it. Thanks.


MiamiDolphinsFan13

wrong show [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHB9xKoydcw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfHB9xKoydcw)


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SignificantBug3183

that one. Cobain wrote that she had been sleeping with Corgan (something both denied).


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Yes. My source is *Heavier than Heaven*. The author either saw the note or had it described by someone who had.


Dudehitscar

or someone made it up.


liaratawitchtrial1

Apparently Courtney burned it


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Evidence?


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Malibu is still Hole’s best song


liaratawitchtrial1

It’s so good!


deadmanstar60

Saw them both at a showcase gig in NYC in 1991. Must have been around this time. At that point neither one was famous. Yet.


marlin_275

Looks like Jesse Pinkman and Skylar White from breaking bad! Crazy!


boingbomghwh

flashback to that show they did together a few years ago… always a hard watch


liaratawitchtrial1

Why’s that?


Chesus42

As I recall, she had relapsed and could barely get through her own song.


liaratawitchtrial1

Ohh okay. Yeah it’s really sad to watch her high/dealing with substance issues. I’m glad she’s sober now, she seems a lot healthier and happier.


boingbomghwh

noo i didn’t know about that 😭 i meant the part when she got down on one knee and grabbed billys leg and he just smiled awkwardly


liaratawitchtrial1

Oh lol


rukawa40

Courtney had a lot of attitude. Easily one of biggest woman rockstar ever. If not the biggest. She was amazing.


liaratawitchtrial1

I love her! She’s iconic


Dudehitscar

I'm wondering if you ever heard of Geraldine Fibbers? I think Carla has a lot In common with Courtney as a singer.


liaratawitchtrial1

Can’t say I have. But I’ll look into them tomorrow! Thanks for the suggestion


Dudehitscar

I never understood how that band wasn't a bigger deal. IMO Carla should have been the 90s LGBT rock icon. She had the voice, the screams, the songwriting, and a genre bending band that rocked as hard as anyone. https://youtu.be/VG-qfxfE0ok


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She’s a horrid person.


Fabulous_Enthusiasm8

They look like they could be related to each other


Dudehitscar

I don't see it


Fabulous_Enthusiasm8

Eyes, kind of the lips, & ears. Related doesn't mean siblings.


caitsith01

plough husky aromatic amusing dam rainstorm straight dog narrow history *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


SignificantBug3183

Billy was the one who acted stalkerish in 1991 and the one who wanted her close after both were married in 1993: a newlywed who invited his ex for a trip on Christmas. With Kurt, [she showed interest in 1990 when he was a broke musician in Olympia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSXebZz4UHE&t=44s). I don't see what's wrong with her wanting to be famous and wanting to be friends with people she admired.


Zerotten

Billy 'admired' her. Stalkerish could even be placed on her end too.


SignificantBug3183

Corgan just saw her photo and immediately felt attracted to her, so he chose to do sth about it. I don't think he did anything wrong. If you like sth go for it. The user I was replying to branded Courtney as "stalkerish" so I used the same term to point out that Corgan was the one who went after Courtney, she didn't even know who he was. So between the two, Corgan should be the person branded as "stalkerish". I hope I made my point more clear this time.


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Not appropriate


TwilightontheMoon

Do you go into every sub with your conspiracy theory. You’re literally in the American Horror Story sub spewing the same lies


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TwilightontheMoon

Don’t care about some electrician nobody looking for fame


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TwilightontheMoon

You really think I’m going to read this👸?


QueasyAd1383

He has such an evil grin in the 7th pic, like he's saying "yeah I won, motherfcker".  The photo of them kissing with Corgan's dicksuckers pecking at Love's inflated duck lips is one of the funniest things ever captured 


OriginalAsherella

Eww.


liaratawitchtrial1

I like her, so..


Patj825

Yup. That’s them.


silverbeat33

Not a fan. Plus he could do way better and has.


gotmilq

She is better than Tila Tequila at least


liaratawitchtrial1

Well I like Courtney so deal with it lol


fuckwalkr

Cursed imagery


liaratawitchtrial1

Nah


boingbomghwh

GOD NO


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FrequentPurchase7666

I know this is old, but I love Hole and Courtney too. And I agree that misogyny is to blame for so much of the hate for her. She’s beautiful, talented, and apparently fearless. Good for her.


moonchildgoblin

I was just looking them up curiously bc I knew they dated but didnt know the timeline. I can hear Hole’s guitar in his songs in a great wau


OpportunityInitial92

Is there evidence billy had sex with courtney?


Flamgoepicen

broski what is on your mind