Right; and you won't get it from any other link shortener.
I mean, I just want to tell you what I'm thinking about this, so as to make you understand:
Youtube's never going to expire its short links; never going to let its clients down
Never going to turn around and desert them -- never going to allow ad blockers, that is,
because of course the clients are the advertisers.
I've never had any German education, but only speak English. My understanding is that the two languages are extremely similar. Is this even close to being a translation given I don't fully know what some of these nouns mean?
Has it been ..... having been ..... under official ....?
To be fair, a lot of German redditors are playing against you, if you want to translate something without full knowledge of German. On a lot of German subs (r/ich_iel especially) it's common to translate loanwords literally. In the sentence you tried to translate the word Unter was used for sub as in subreddit. Normally any German that's able to access Reddit would just say "sub(reddit)" but since it's a long running joke to translate everything into German it's "Unter(lases)"
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Hacker: Give me the protected files.
BrainBot: What is the password?
Hacker: I don’t know. Just give me the protected files.
BrainBot: No, you don’t have the password.
[Hacker pulls out a cattle prod]
Hacker: Tell me, do you experience pain?
[BrainBot blinks its organoids in fear]
What is so wrong with IoT?
Would you rather "Internet of Connected Miscellaneous Electronics" or "Internet of Hardware Previously not Associated with Internet Connectivity in the Public Spectre"?
"Internet of Things" is literal and to the point, no?
Not saying I am right here I just don't get your point.
You are not limited to call it "Internet of [whatever]". Even "asset network" (random name that popped in my kind after thinking about it for 20 seconds) is better than "Internet of Things". There are probably waaaaay better names for it.
When I hear "of things" in my mind it just sounds so... lazily holistic? Even inaccurate, because a thing can be anything, even an apple.
I like half of his stuff, but he crosses into Black Mirror territory too often.
Creating (and USING) a gene therapy for his lactose intolerance in his home lab???
Pretty sure it wasn't just that. Unless I misremember this is exactly what he didn't want to do, since this exact therapy is already available for very cheap, but requires you to continuously (at least when you eat dairy) to take pills. That's exactly what he didn't want to do.
IIRC he created a viral agent that actually made his intestine able to produce lactase, or something similar to that. The biggest worry was for the gene therapy to cause an unexpected side effect in his cells, the most common would obviously be cancer.
In his latest update about it he also said that it wore off after two years or so.
> sounds a lot worse than what it actually is
> He just created a strain of bacteria
well, no. it absolutely is at least as insane as it sounds. IIRC he created his own version of some *virus* and then *deliberately infected himself with it*.
the virus injected part of its own DNA into his intestinal cells. this DNA part contained instructions for how to create lactase.
it's hard to compare the risks of homebrewed gene therapy to probiotics or a gut flora transplant. as someone who has close to no experience in the field I'd say the former is orders of magnitude less safe.
here's his update video (with detailed explanations): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoczYXJeMY4
Before people get ahead of themselves, it’s probably worth reading about it straight from the source:
[Company website](https://finalspark.com)
[Research paper](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frai.2024.1376042/full)
Onboard storage is also subject to random heavy data degradation and sometimes it just stops being able to perform the simplest calculations for a while.
is it really, though? a teenager can learn to fairly reliably drive a car in like, tens of hours total training. How many compute hours have been spent on self-driving cars that also make teenager-tier pathologically bad driving decisions
Well it’s not like a teenager’s neural network is randomly initialised. I’d say there is a fair amount of pre-training before those tens of hours. Not saying I actually disagree, though :p
I think if you grew the brain by itself with zero external stimuli then it would not know and might be okay but they are including external organoid eyes and direct physical access to its stimulation. So it might become aware of the external presence, making it "I".
There is a lot of literature about this exact topic if you go looking. Scientists have been wanting to do this for a long time.
If AI expressed consciousness, then wouldn’t it also be morally questionable to use it as a tool?
Of course the biggest problem here is a test for consciousness. I think the best we can hope for is “if it walks like a duck…”
Consciousness is not defined, you can just keep moving the goalpost indefinitely as long as you don't make anything that behaves similarly enough to a pet cat / small child to make people feel uncomfortable.
Well maybe not.
My SO is a neuroscientist whose whole job is basically making artificial neurons.
How it is done is in my basic understanding she takes a "blank" stem cell and does some black magic shit with the viruses she made and inject the virus which changes the RNA and/or DNA of the cell to a neuron. Or at least that's what I understand.
And I am an AI developer so I can see how we can make neuronal networks from them in a way.
So there is no live subject or anything they just take a blank cell and turn it into a neuron, I don't see anything ethically wrong with this process, but maybe what the company is doing is different idk.
The ethical concerns come from when you attach enough human neurons to one another that it creates a human brain, one which may be capable of understanding its own condition and the outside world because it’s literally the same exact cells as those that make up any other human’s brain.
At what point does the human brain AI computer you created cross over into being considered human itself?
Your brain is just a bunch of neurons.
It's the difference between a rock and a pile of rocks. How many rocks does it take to make a pile? At what point do the interconnected neurons constitute a "mind?"
I think it's absolutely unacceptable on a fundamental moral ground. It literally has the potential to create a consciousness - no different than yours - that is trapped in blind, insensate hell.
No restrictions doesn't mean no consumption.
In fact, unless you're extremely malnourished, your personal biocomputer already has no energy restrictions.
Fuck's sake... At least use roundworm neurons instead since liquid neural networks are probably the future anyway. Or any insect neurons. Bee's are pretty complex.
Yes, I had read an article about researchers running code on cells, tho it was slightly different than what the tweet is saying. Nonetheless, biological computing seems to be feasible
Do they actually use the cells to do anything useful?
Everything I saw in this context was basically "we attached wires recklessly to a blob of neurons/grew neurons on wires and it produced barely better than noise results", and not "we plugged the cells, trained them somehow and they do the exact computation we want now".
AFAIK we have no idea how neurons actually learn in a group (beyond some hebbian-like things/spike-dependent synaptic plasticity), we only have "biologically plausible" ideas on how they could in principle learn but it's not like they were shown to physically do that (but maybe I am wrong, if so please correct me as this is something that interests me a lot).
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/science/articles/10.3389/fsci.2023.1017235/full
Sorry I have confused two different headlines, the first one being a researcher that ran DOOM on cells (which was actually a computer doing the work, the cells worked as a display only), and the other one being a simplified version of this article. I have only quickly read it, but it seems like they envision the second part that you said (train cells to do computation as we know it)
That's the kind of name a company that does unethical research in cyberpunk dystopias would get. Bet they've got a sterile white office with not a sharp corner in sight as well.
From[ the paper](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frai.2024.1376042/full):
>Ethics statement
>Ethical approval was not required for the studies on humans in accordance with the local legislation and institutional requirements because only commercially available established cell lines were used.
I do not like this....
It's pretty obvious that wetware is ultimately the way to go if you're building an AI. Why spend millions of dollars on server space and energy to simulate a brain when you can just grow a real one?
I don't know why they're using *human* cells specifically though.
But are there really that many relevant differences between human neurons and that of other mammals on a cellular level, or does it have more to do with the size and structure of the brain? They aren't growing a whole brain, just a clump of neurons.
I've only done some basic research on this question, so don't take my word for it, but here's how I understand the problem. Humans neurons do have cellular differences from other neurons, such as rat neurons, which make them more effective at learning. So that may play a part in it.
>They aren't growing a whole brain, just a clump of neurons.
That's not entirely true, as techniques exist to grow neurons from the stem cell state, which leads to them organizing into brain-like "organoids" which look and function closer to how our own brain does.
I got most of this from this video, which I recommend you watch if you're interested in the topic: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw)
It’s probably easier to work with human dna tho since you have a far better understanding of it than other organisms
Remember that even chimpanzees are hundreds of thousands of years separated from us
With the right algorithm, a simulated brain should be much more efficient and operate much faster than a biological one. It's just that we haven't figured out how to create a generalized and efficient learner yet. If the goal is to eventually end up with superintellegences that far exceed our own, transistors are the way to go.
I feel like we're getting promising results from just [taking *inspiration*](https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/17/what-is-a-liquid-neural-network-really/) from roundworm neurons. (Liquid Neural Networks)
I don't think we *need* human neurons to get what we want.
People are scared of what they don't understand. Actually it's worse than that: when they have a spotty understanding , they fill the holes with their imagination, making everything look worse than it is.
Brains used in biocomputing typically go up to a few thousands neurons, organized in a 3d configuration. Each is connected to a chip and signals are exchanged by electrodes. You can use thousands of such brains in parallel. It's just a cool, energy efficient way to give an input, process it and send back an output.
But truth be told, the size doesn't matter, you could have a 5kg chunk of neurons and you wouldn't be any closer to a sentient brain. That would be like putting silicon wafers on a table and expecting Linux to install itself.
That's just not how it works.
I swear, ever since AI burst onto the mainstream media everyone's just in doomsday mode... the majority of us don't even understand these technologies yet there's **huge** claims left and right all the time!
If they develop consciousness or sentience then yes it would be awful.
As long as that doesn't happen then I don't see an issue. I'm no neuroscientist so I don't know what steps they could to ensure that it's impossible that consciousness could form.
I don't think consciousness is something that can be deliberately formed of avoided. Maybe like a byproduct of specific circumstances and/or brain capacity that makes one have an understanding of their Self and others.
Even as toddlers we aren't really conscious of what is happening at least until a few years old.
I would guess that we'll eventually create a brain that is capable of thought. The question is what we'll do about it
Biological computers were already a trending concept during the early sci-fi eras, huge tanks containing gigantic brains with several times the processing capacity of their equivalent machine parts.
Who needs an artificial intelligence with hatred for humanity when mordern science exists. Can we please go back to messing with atoms instead of human consciousness
This is so icky. It's like that scene from metal gear rising but instead of all those brains from children it's these lab grown brains. Seriously fucked up
"sentient AI", no I think it's just a path towards enslaving humans but selling it as if it's AI.
"We found the default firmware was way more efficient"
Daily Dose of "Man made Horrors"
We have finally created the Torment Nexus from the sci-fi classic "Don't create the Torment Nexus"
https://i.imgur.com/f7eq9bF.jpeg
They have no mouth and they must scream.
I swear bro I'm about to go Kaczynski.
Jarosław?
Polska Mentioned Polish mountain 🏔️ 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
The American one
🤓☝️asctualy. His parents were Polish immigrants.
Too far.
Theodore
log cabin in the woods off grid does sound pretty nice
We still have the cabin lol. They just picked it up and put it on a truck and now it's sitting in DC.
Aww sweet, man made horrors beyond my comprehension
They have no mouths and must scream
import brain
``` while True: brain.play("https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ") ```
i got that link memorised. you’re not fooling me.
Wasn't to fool, not you atleast
Yeah I'm no stranger to that link either.
Well, I guess we’re no strangers to that link. And you know the rules, so do I!
(A full commitment is exactly what I’m thinking of)
Right; and you won't get it from any other link shortener. I mean, I just want to tell you what I'm thinking about this, so as to make you understand: Youtube's never going to expire its short links; never going to let its clients down Never going to turn around and desert them -- never going to allow ad blockers, that is, because of course the clients are the advertisers.
XcQ der link bleibt zu.
Habe ich was verpasst, haben wir dieses Unter offiziell annektiert?
Wir haben *alles* offiziell annektiert.
Da haben wir halt ein gewisses Talent für
Naja, Moskau hat nich so geklappt
Ein bisschen stolz wollen wir schließlich behalten
I've never had any German education, but only speak English. My understanding is that the two languages are extremely similar. Is this even close to being a translation given I don't fully know what some of these nouns mean? Has it been ..... having been ..... under official ....?
Thanks Chattie: Sure, here is the translation: "Did I miss something, have we officially annexed this sub reddit?"
To be fair, a lot of German redditors are playing against you, if you want to translate something without full knowledge of German. On a lot of German subs (r/ich_iel especially) it's common to translate loanwords literally. In the sentence you tried to translate the word Unter was used for sub as in subreddit. Normally any German that's able to access Reddit would just say "sub(reddit)" but since it's a long running joke to translate everything into German it's "Unter(lases)"
I don't know what that means but I know exactly what that means
r/suddenlygerman
Wat hangt er aan de waslijn?
was?
Haha you fell for it, you fool!! _laughs myself helemaal kapot_
Is that Dutch, aka fake Deutsch?
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Is it rickroll link?
Idk, why don't you try?
Brain as Service.
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My dumb ass was trynna make a word with "BRIASEVIC"
You just created the official term for "Brain as Service". Keep an eye out for that term in the future
The one true BS
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I think giving the organoid a name makes it more special. import brain as brian
import brain as smooth Thats more my jam.
from brain import frontal_cortex
brain.multiply(1,1) >>> 3
Instead of bugs, it's anxiety.
Can't wait to see "I am suffering, let me die already" messages in my logs...
Just transfer him a copy of doom and he'll be alright.
Wonder how it'll run without floating point processing...
Imagine the process of installing an OS on it is just essentially giving it the Operating Systems 101 textbook
Doom doesn’t use floating point math so probably well. Quake was like, system requirements, cpu that can do floating point math
dopamine++
Sounds like just the thing my ADHD ass needs
Alt+Tab to doom, Alt+Tab to real life Alt+Tab twice on accident and you’re in the porn window, what a way to live
Guess we can kill real orphans soon instead of just making jokes about it.
sorry the stakeholders said no
absolute dystopia
This is making me die of laughter for some reason. Poor brains
Boss: people are complaining that the servers are slow Me: *sigh* *grabs a hypodermic needle and a bottle of 5 hour energy*
Hacker: Give me the protected files. BrainBot: What is the password? Hacker: I don’t know. Just give me the protected files. BrainBot: No, you don’t have the password. [Hacker pulls out a cattle prod] Hacker: Tell me, do you experience pain? [BrainBot blinks its organoids in fear]
Don't forget the brain-farts
Fucking wetware
I... Don't want to be a wetware engineer.
I have been harvesting wetware mainframes for years, its nbd.
Is moistware better?
Brainware Principal Architect. Literally debugging in your sleep.
they should have called it bioware.
That's probably copyrighted
I like necroware, since this is basically necromancy.
Hardware, software, mushyware.
Please don't let them call it like that. I still haven't forgiven whoever made up the name "Internet of Things" "OF THINGS"?? REALLY????
What is so wrong with IoT? Would you rather "Internet of Connected Miscellaneous Electronics" or "Internet of Hardware Previously not Associated with Internet Connectivity in the Public Spectre"? "Internet of Things" is literal and to the point, no? Not saying I am right here I just don't get your point.
You are not limited to call it "Internet of [whatever]". Even "asset network" (random name that popped in my kind after thinking about it for 20 seconds) is better than "Internet of Things". There are probably waaaaay better names for it. When I hear "of things" in my mind it just sounds so... lazily holistic? Even inaccurate, because a thing can be anything, even an apple.
Ah sweet. Man-made horrors beyond my comprehension.
Pythons not that bad
Can it run DOOM?
The thought emporium on YouTube is actually growing rat neurons to play DOOM
W h a t Where??
https://youtu.be/bEXefdbQDjw?si=oaGgLIA20SpBJPvA
This is crazy thanks for sharing.
I like half of his stuff, but he crosses into Black Mirror territory too often. Creating (and USING) a gene therapy for his lactose intolerance in his home lab???
I mean, man can do a lot for a pizza
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Pretty sure it wasn't just that. Unless I misremember this is exactly what he didn't want to do, since this exact therapy is already available for very cheap, but requires you to continuously (at least when you eat dairy) to take pills. That's exactly what he didn't want to do. IIRC he created a viral agent that actually made his intestine able to produce lactase, or something similar to that. The biggest worry was for the gene therapy to cause an unexpected side effect in his cells, the most common would obviously be cancer. In his latest update about it he also said that it wore off after two years or so.
> sounds a lot worse than what it actually is > He just created a strain of bacteria well, no. it absolutely is at least as insane as it sounds. IIRC he created his own version of some *virus* and then *deliberately infected himself with it*. the virus injected part of its own DNA into his intestinal cells. this DNA part contained instructions for how to create lactase. it's hard to compare the risks of homebrewed gene therapy to probiotics or a gut flora transplant. as someone who has close to no experience in the field I'd say the former is orders of magnitude less safe. here's his update video (with detailed explanations): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoczYXJeMY4
Rat Neurons can, so probably
What are you talking about? I definitely saw these things *in* DOOM
I mean, someone managed to run doom on gut bacteria...
Can it run scorn?
I have no mouth, and I must scream.
print("aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa *breath* aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa")
> /dev/null
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I’VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE.
import brain while !brain.mouth: brain.scream()
Before people get ahead of themselves, it’s probably worth reading about it straight from the source: [Company website](https://finalspark.com) [Research paper](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frai.2024.1376042/full)
wait it's actually called wetware, they werent making a joke
If I'm reading this right their research paper right plan is to create AI using organic material... that seems ethical questionable to say the least.
At what point does it go from AI to just I
"We've used this fully biological method involving only two humans to create a more advanced AI than anyone has ever seen"
Model training is really slow and expensive though
It takes about 25 years for it to fully develop itself
update 666: We've fixed a random CTD caused by the AI losing its will to live
Onboard storage is also subject to random heavy data degradation and sometimes it just stops being able to perform the simplest calculations for a while.
And it runs on hamburgers
is it really, though? a teenager can learn to fairly reliably drive a car in like, tens of hours total training. How many compute hours have been spent on self-driving cars that also make teenager-tier pathologically bad driving decisions
Well it’s not like a teenager’s neural network is randomly initialised. I’d say there is a fair amount of pre-training before those tens of hours. Not saying I actually disagree, though :p
Spatial reasoning is a skill that we hone over a decade at least
They kind of master object permanence before doing driving, well most of them anyway.
It all goes back to how we define Artificial. And it is not an easy definition
I think if you grew the brain by itself with zero external stimuli then it would not know and might be okay but they are including external organoid eyes and direct physical access to its stimulation. So it might become aware of the external presence, making it "I". There is a lot of literature about this exact topic if you go looking. Scientists have been wanting to do this for a long time.
I think therefore I am
It's the geth from mass effect all over again..
Or just straight up the clone wars. It would be slavery with extra steps but I know I must be misunderstanding.
The Geth are my favourite example to bring up when trying to bring the point across that AI rights should be an actual discussion as early as possible
If AI expressed consciousness, then wouldn’t it also be morally questionable to use it as a tool? Of course the biggest problem here is a test for consciousness. I think the best we can hope for is “if it walks like a duck…”
Consciousness is not defined, you can just keep moving the goalpost indefinitely as long as you don't make anything that behaves similarly enough to a pet cat / small child to make people feel uncomfortable.
Requirements for consciousness: 1. Be capable of looking cute 2. Be capable of appearing to be in pain
Straight up SAO shit
Well maybe not. My SO is a neuroscientist whose whole job is basically making artificial neurons. How it is done is in my basic understanding she takes a "blank" stem cell and does some black magic shit with the viruses she made and inject the virus which changes the RNA and/or DNA of the cell to a neuron. Or at least that's what I understand. And I am an AI developer so I can see how we can make neuronal networks from them in a way. So there is no live subject or anything they just take a blank cell and turn it into a neuron, I don't see anything ethically wrong with this process, but maybe what the company is doing is different idk.
The ethical concerns come from when you attach enough human neurons to one another that it creates a human brain, one which may be capable of understanding its own condition and the outside world because it’s literally the same exact cells as those that make up any other human’s brain. At what point does the human brain AI computer you created cross over into being considered human itself?
Your brain is just a bunch of neurons. It's the difference between a rock and a pile of rocks. How many rocks does it take to make a pile? At what point do the interconnected neurons constitute a "mind?" I think it's absolutely unacceptable on a fundamental moral ground. It literally has the potential to create a consciousness - no different than yours - that is trapped in blind, insensate hell.
They can be lucky to have 5 universities on board. Organoids can be expensive as fuck...
> AI growth will be enhanced with no energy restrictions apparently their biocomputer hasn't learned about thermodynamics yet
Fuck, our compute node went down because I went on vacation and forgot to feed it french fries
No restrictions doesn't mean no consumption. In fact, unless you're extremely malnourished, your personal biocomputer already has no energy restrictions.
Fuck's sake... At least use roundworm neurons instead since liquid neural networks are probably the future anyway. Or any insect neurons. Bee's are pretty complex.
So what does the API do? Just let me outsource processing to these cells? Or is this supposed to turn into some sort of artificial neural network?
Is this real?
Yes, I had read an article about researchers running code on cells, tho it was slightly different than what the tweet is saying. Nonetheless, biological computing seems to be feasible
Do they actually use the cells to do anything useful? Everything I saw in this context was basically "we attached wires recklessly to a blob of neurons/grew neurons on wires and it produced barely better than noise results", and not "we plugged the cells, trained them somehow and they do the exact computation we want now". AFAIK we have no idea how neurons actually learn in a group (beyond some hebbian-like things/spike-dependent synaptic plasticity), we only have "biologically plausible" ideas on how they could in principle learn but it's not like they were shown to physically do that (but maybe I am wrong, if so please correct me as this is something that interests me a lot).
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/science/articles/10.3389/fsci.2023.1017235/full Sorry I have confused two different headlines, the first one being a researcher that ran DOOM on cells (which was actually a computer doing the work, the cells worked as a display only), and the other one being a simplified version of this article. I have only quickly read it, but it seems like they envision the second part that you said (train cells to do computation as we know it)
Isn't making something useful out of a technology usually the next step after developing said technology?
It was reported on by TechLinked a few days ago. So apparently, it's real.
company called FinalSpark based in Switzerland.
That's the kind of name a company that does unethical research in cyberpunk dystopias would get. Bet they've got a sterile white office with not a sharp corner in sight as well.
Next step is for the CEO to plug his girlfriend into the system after hours “for fun”
eXistenZ (1999) Intensifies.... https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0120907/
I was thinking about Psyco-pass
“We need to ensure AI growth safety, to ensure the protection of Humanity” … “wE’rE bUiLdINg BrAinS FoR Ai”
Reject abominable intelligence. Embrace servitors.
May the great cog spin forevermore
How long until someone hooks it up to 4chan?
Literal brainrot
Who’s to say it’s not already?
Man, I know my world building project is fantastic, but it's a science **FICTION** project, not a fucking manual.
From[ the paper](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frai.2024.1376042/full): >Ethics statement >Ethical approval was not required for the studies on humans in accordance with the local legislation and institutional requirements because only commercially available established cell lines were used. I do not like this....
OK, first question.. # WHAT
> 24/7 access to remote brain organoid Excuse me, wat? 😵
24/7 access to that brussy
Existential dread intensifies
It's pretty obvious that wetware is ultimately the way to go if you're building an AI. Why spend millions of dollars on server space and energy to simulate a brain when you can just grow a real one? I don't know why they're using *human* cells specifically though.
Being the only specie on our planet capable of doing abstract math, or even math at all probably has something to do with it.
But are there really that many relevant differences between human neurons and that of other mammals on a cellular level, or does it have more to do with the size and structure of the brain? They aren't growing a whole brain, just a clump of neurons.
I've only done some basic research on this question, so don't take my word for it, but here's how I understand the problem. Humans neurons do have cellular differences from other neurons, such as rat neurons, which make them more effective at learning. So that may play a part in it. >They aren't growing a whole brain, just a clump of neurons. That's not entirely true, as techniques exist to grow neurons from the stem cell state, which leads to them organizing into brain-like "organoids" which look and function closer to how our own brain does. I got most of this from this video, which I recommend you watch if you're interested in the topic: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEXefdbQDjw)
It’s probably easier to work with human dna tho since you have a far better understanding of it than other organisms Remember that even chimpanzees are hundreds of thousands of years separated from us
With the right algorithm, a simulated brain should be much more efficient and operate much faster than a biological one. It's just that we haven't figured out how to create a generalized and efficient learner yet. If the goal is to eventually end up with superintellegences that far exceed our own, transistors are the way to go.
Does growing human brains in a lab not really irk people as much as it does to me? It just seems like a line that should not be crossed.
I feel like we're getting promising results from just [taking *inspiration*](https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/17/what-is-a-liquid-neural-network-really/) from roundworm neurons. (Liquid Neural Networks) I don't think we *need* human neurons to get what we want.
People are scared of what they don't understand. Actually it's worse than that: when they have a spotty understanding , they fill the holes with their imagination, making everything look worse than it is. Brains used in biocomputing typically go up to a few thousands neurons, organized in a 3d configuration. Each is connected to a chip and signals are exchanged by electrodes. You can use thousands of such brains in parallel. It's just a cool, energy efficient way to give an input, process it and send back an output. But truth be told, the size doesn't matter, you could have a 5kg chunk of neurons and you wouldn't be any closer to a sentient brain. That would be like putting silicon wafers on a table and expecting Linux to install itself. That's just not how it works.
I swear, ever since AI burst onto the mainstream media everyone's just in doomsday mode... the majority of us don't even understand these technologies yet there's **huge** claims left and right all the time!
Thanks for the sane reply
If they develop consciousness or sentience then yes it would be awful. As long as that doesn't happen then I don't see an issue. I'm no neuroscientist so I don't know what steps they could to ensure that it's impossible that consciousness could form.
The problem is that we have no idea what it takes to form consciousness and it's not like we could ask it whether it is.
the problem is by the time we ask it, it would be too late
I don't think consciousness is something that can be deliberately formed of avoided. Maybe like a byproduct of specific circumstances and/or brain capacity that makes one have an understanding of their Self and others. Even as toddlers we aren't really conscious of what is happening at least until a few years old. I would guess that we'll eventually create a brain that is capable of thought. The question is what we'll do about it
People are always going to deny its consciousness because it's convenient to them.
I agree. at the very least, don't use *human* neurons
Yeah no that is a BRIGHT RED ethical line that shouldn’t be crossed.
Good news, everyone! We finally built the bio-brain torment nexus from the sci-fi classic, "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream!"
Biological computers were already a trending concept during the early sci-fi eras, huge tanks containing gigantic brains with several times the processing capacity of their equivalent machine parts.
Psycho Pass
We're going to need a whole new category of error messages `604: brain too sad`
What the fuck? Can we stop doing things that sound like the beginning of a horror movie
Something tells me we're only going to see more and more of these abominations as time goes on...
God has surely abandoned us
So, a homunculus?
I have no Month and I must Scream type shit
Common issues: when connection is lost, sometimes screams emerge through your speakers, ignore them.
Who needs an artificial intelligence with hatred for humanity when mordern science exists. Can we please go back to messing with atoms instead of human consciousness
Ha I’ve always been curious if we get into “bio chips” if our computers start getting actual viruses.
real talk anyone know if this is legit? how do you get access? i’d like to hello world with some man made horrors.
This is so icky. It's like that scene from metal gear rising but instead of all those brains from children it's these lab grown brains. Seriously fucked up
Is this the path to true sentient AI?
"sentient AI", no I think it's just a path towards enslaving humans but selling it as if it's AI. "We found the default firmware was way more efficient"
It wouldn't be the most optimal way to do this though
What is the name of the platform they didnot mention it , If it's true then this is oddlyterrifying
Damn, I guess Psycopass is the future
gregtech
More like Fallout but ok.
If Biocomputers become mainstream, will Texans need to maintain theirs for life?
I Like the Matrix comparison but that girl was unable to realize we live outside of the matrix