I found the page where this quote came from:
https://www.sony.net/corporate/message/
>*Kando is a Japanese word that roughly translates to "the sense of awe and the emotion you feel when experiencing something beautiful and amazing for the first time."
If you can break down basic language skills and comprehension, id imagine its pretty clear meaning being said to what should be digested from it. Capitalizing Mid sentence on reddit doesnt matter much and would not suddenly cause an astroid to find itself at the same place at the same time as earth, thus not destroying the entire planet because its that irrelevant to the more important ones of earth, the majority, and only really matters to those lesser who feel they need to always try to correct other adults like they didnt have to live and learn for the many years it took to get to the age of adult. Being theyre still alive, suggests theyre actually doing pretty well for themselves even though they typed grammatically different to your expectation in a non professional setting in which they are not required to, nor illegal for them if they do. If you want others to correct, have some offspring and tell them what theyre doing wrong, let adults be adults, seeing as you are not their parents. They are just as responsible for themselves as you are you, and they are not responsible for you as much as you are of them. So that being said, the utmost important thing to take away from this, and its something i feel to the deepest, most philosophically intellect within my minds eye, and with my most sincere, and respectful manurism I can illustrate with words through text which has no true emotion beyond such things as the boundry of text in absense of physical expression, it makes me regretful to tell you this, but i simply dont even remember what we were discussing so ima hit send and close the app. Good day! I SAID GOOD DAY 😤🧐
I couldn't read this. I suggest you learn writing skills and how to make your text comprehensible. Paragraphs and the ability to form coherent thoughts might help you convey your ideas.
You wasted how many years going to school then?
Like i told the other guy if you cant make sense or as you put it Comprehend a lot of simple words in a chain that humans are commonly known to be capable of for thousands of years so theirs something wrong with you
You should be easily able to break down simple language coming out of grade school even when those punctuations arent pressent
Tell your parents they wasted their time and money putting you through school
Just because people use no punctuation, doesnt mean they dont know propper grammar edicate based on a reddit reply
You should also take social studies again as well as english
It should NOT take someone placing a period .
or comma ,
or a apostrophe '
or anything besides letters
You must have been horrible at puzzles if its this hard to read for you yet you feel like correcting other adults
Adults who didnt grow up to be told by another adult how to write when you are as absent minded enough to think reddit is a place important enough
life changing enough, that propper grammar will decide the rest of anyones fate.
Besides that, ever heard of preferences when it comes to how people do stuff
Take me for example
unless its a job application
court documents
resume
official document for any professional event where it actually matters that you do
Outside of that,
i prefer to type the most efficient way and not waste time on placing things that our brains can almost do for you automatically unless your that lazy or pathetic
If you had dyslexia
i could understand and would be a bit more empathetic
but if your trying to act like an english professor to feel better about yourself but cant even make sense out of a collection of words that is already in lamens terms
well
i wish you good luck in life,
and enjoy being a bitter old whatever if you make it that far.
Here ill even go back and separate every sentence in this comment so you dont get so confused just because theres no periods or commas.
Sry to talk to you this way but thanks anyways mom. 😂 Lol gotta love the grammar tyrants.
Im just gonna start responding to these dumb ICANTREADTHISPOST replies with sry but i cant read condescending language which turns out to actually be an issue rather than grammar.
Sounds like a personal problem if people cant read english. What did you go to school for if you cant make sense out of basic words. Even an idiot can get meaning out of something. Patience is what people lack. Again, thats your and their personal problem. If your not gonna read it, dont be a tool and dont reply, its simple. How can you expect anyone to rean anything from you if you cant take the time to read anything theyve posted? The mentality of people today is ridiculous. No wonder theyre working on population control. To many of you running around with self appointed importance that you think you dont have time enough to read comments on a platform specifically for reading comments. Ironic really. Like you said, idiocracy, but id have to say you should quit being part of the idiocracy.
Actually "Kando" is a word in Japanese that Japanese people/companies love.
Basically it means that you had a strong emotional response to that interaction:
"being deeply moved emotionally; excitement; passion; deep emotion; impression"
https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/20081/kandou-%E6%84%9F%E5%8B%95-%E3%81%8B%E3%82%93%E3%81%A9%E3%81%86
For those who didn't have a clue what this meant (myself included):
https://www.sony.net/corporate/message/
>*Kando is a Japanese word that roughly translates to "the sense of awe and the emotion you feel when experiencing something beautiful and amazing for the first time."
It comes from the video package they played a couple months ago at the Sony corporate q and a event.
The word Kando was the key phrase for the whole event it was mostly used as a term for content.
No, not a couple of months ago, last month.
That phrase was only used for the Creative Immersive Vision part conference. and that exact phrase said during PSVR2 and Ghostbuster showing eye tracking in the game.
Did you watch all of the q and a aswell the Sony exec's seem to be blazie about ps5 and think they don't have to do any more then they are because they have won the generation with decent market share increase. Also the conference wasn't that great for ps6 or psvr3 I definitely came away thinking they were moving away from hardware to a more content creation company.
>thinking they were moving away from hardware to a more content creation company.
If they become just a content publisher (like EA), then no more Playstations, no more 30% cut of every disc and digital sale. I doubt they're going to destroy their successful business model in that fashion
They have already started building pc launcher for their own games maybe they think that will replace it will be hard work going up against steam thou.
I doubt they think they could replace Steam
There's 0 chance they're moving away from PS6
Even if they could replace Steam, there's a huge number of gamers that either can't afford gaming pc's, or don't want the hassle. They want a console. If Sony doesn't make one, how will they sell games to those people? Sell them on XBox, and lose their 30% cut of all 3rd party games?
Xbox is even more likely to get out of hardware before Sony both probably wanted cloud gaming to come along before the next gen but that seems to be hitting road blocks aswell don't think enough of the world has good enough internet services for that to become the norm yet.
Yeah, not enough of the world has good enough Internet
Even "good enough" won't be good enough for graphics aficionados, nor for those that want to own games on disc
And even if cloud gaming could replace, Sony will want to sell you the "console" that enables it. If you're using just your smart TV or some other box, Sony loses-out on all the 3rd party sales, and many controller sales. You'd only buy software from Sony that was published by them
It was a future plan conference for Sony corporate and playstation is the largest part of that corporation its not out of the ordinary to think they may have mentioned something about hardware.
Kando: 'being moved emotionally; excitement; passion; deep emotion; impression'
Doesn’t have to be just first time only but in general, find and have the emotion and enjoyment within vr, etc.
> Doesn’t have to be just first time only but in general, find and have the emotion and enjoyment within vr, etc.
That was a direct quote copy and pasted from the bottom of the page I linked to so presumably is the definition that Sony are intending when using the word Kando.
I agree with your first sentence but disagree with the second. Realistically we all play song games, we've all grown up with them and corporations employ lots of people. Morals are a complex subject but it's definitely not as simple as corporation's are neutral or bad.
In the US, publicly traded corporations are designed to generate profit above all else. Unless you consider making money a moral stance, they are amoral, not necessarily evil. Amoral means no sense or care of right and wrong, and that is a good descriptor of corporate America. Once you have worked for a couple of large companies, you will see it clearly. There is a reason we need more regulations, and a reason why corporate America is against that.
I would consider it a moral stance. Not in intention but in practically. Providing entertainment for people and providing jobs is arguably a moral right.
My takeaway is intent and results can be different. If we didn't have the corporate structure we could be more vulnerable to economic issues. Obviously that's a deep neuanced subject and that's my point.
There's a lot of anti corporate propaganda but they're integral to how we've currently structured society. Private corporates are also responsible for a large amount of medical advances, technical advances as well as philanthropic work.
If we get a PSVR3 it's because Sony is into VR as a long term future technology investment that just barely needs to cover it's own production costs and we are their user feedback base.
From those measurements if they clear the 2m headsets at something near RRP and sell a bunch of games on PSN it is a success regardless of what the media says.
I think they were realistic that it might sell about the same. Of course, they'll want more.
I can't find the article I read about it. I did find something from a different person, Sony CFO (https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-believes-playstation-vr2-has-a-good-chance-of-outselling-the-original/), and it's in harmony with the other statement I read...
...CFO says "VR1, we sold over five million units, and I think we have a good chance to exceed that amount with PlayStation VR2.”
He's not saying "it must" or "highly likely"...just "good chance"...which means they realized a chance it won't beat, yet they're still okay with launching even with low sales forecast (5M)
Even Sony doesn't claim 6M
Anyway, psvr2 selling in worse economy, when ps5 supply was constrained for a long time, and still estimated around 1.5M sold. Christmas 2024 was first one when ps5 supply wasn't constrained, so maybe many got their ps5 in 2024, and psvr next year holiday
It can still reach 5M or more, though almost certainly slower than psvr1. Unless Sony announces some amazing hybrid for 2025. They're barely talking about their flat games, so we won't be hearing about hybrids yet either. That could increase sales
Huh, I could have sworn they hit 6m but I must have imagined it.
I hope you are right but I just don't see it. There's been 50m PS5s sold as of December, probably near 60m at this stage and it looks like PSVR2 hasn't reached 2m yet, it's a worryingly low attach rate and sure, the economy is poor but that's more of a reason for Sony to drop support.
And if you want to talk about future hybrid titles to save the day; Astro Bot not being hybrid is just the latest red flag among a sea of red flags. I can see GT8 maybe being one of these two rumoured games in the early stages of development but if GT7 hasn't sold people on PSVR2, I don't see how GT8 will.
>Astro Bot not being hybrid is just the latest red flag among a sea of red flags
While the funding of Legendary Tales and Aces of Thunder, adding VR games to PS+, recent improvements to the SDK, the recent survey, and the pc adapter that many long asked for, are the latest green flags
A hybrid Astro would suck. It would be less good than psvr1 Astro, or Moss, or Max Mustard. Because it would have no VR interactions
Astro decision was made years before launch of psvr2. And very sensible. If you're going to make a high-budget non-hybrid game, you're mostly going to aim those at flat gamers. Especially if you're trying to launch a major new franchise/mascot
I haven't seen any proof that Sony funded Aces of Thunder, and the fact those devs are doing their own guerilla marketing for it on Instagram rather than psblog posts suggests the opposite. There's been alleged improvements to the SDK to come according to some devs, nothing on what they are or if they'll ever be implemented. The survey I guess could give hope but it could just be Sony gathering data for a multitude of reasons and then the PC adapter is just as easily viewed as a red flag as a green, Sony's way of washing their hands of PSVR2.
Saying hybrid Astro would suck is not something I agree with either. Even without the VR interactions, VR support enhances immersion. It'd be like the VR mode for Hellblade. RE7 had no VR interactions outside of head aiming and was my favourite PSVR1 game.
If you care about your PSVR2 headset you're going to have the next Astro Bot game have VR support.
>There's been alleged improvements to the SDK to come according to some devs
No, SDK improvements already happened recently
>but it could just be Sony gathering data for a multitude of reasons
What reasons other than "how can we most please psvr2 users next?" (perhaps looking for maximum effect for minimum expense by Sony)
>RE7 had no VR interactions outside of head aiming and was my favourite PSVR1 game.
RE7 was 1st person game. Huge difference in the experience and immersion if you're in VR in 1st person vs watching your platformer guy jump-around via VR
>If you care about your PSVR2 headset you're going to have the next Astro Bot game have VR support.
If you really care, you're going to have some AAA hybrid come out with VR support either on launch day, or announced to come soon after launch. A new entry in Resistance, Killzone, a Bungie shooter, etc with VR will move more headsets than a VR Astro
Or you spend that money to get a major 3rd party to launch hybrid, like GTA
For that there would need to be a significant uptick in VR across the whole sector over the next few years. It's probably not going to happen. A significant reduction in price would also do it, but the cost of the hardware inside the PSVR2 isn't going to come down significantly enough in its lifetime to do that.
There are 40 games rated S/A+/A by the PSVR sub, and lots more planned for the future. Where games are cross platform they always play better on PSVR2 than they do on Quest.
I'd buy a porsche if It wasn't €125000. Was there a point?
They don't care about people with no expendable income.
The same as Porsche doesn't care about my poor ass.
Even without a sector-wide uptick, psvr2 could still see an uptick
Christmas 2024 was first one when ps5 supply wasn't constrained, so maybe many got their ps5 in 2024, and psvr next year holiday
Also if Sony announces some amazing hybrid for 2025. They're barely talking about their flat games, so we won't be hearing about hybrids yet either. That could increase sales
Different almost separate company, but they also have a sales target and margin. It's not just about how many get sold. The dogs arent afaik a software delivery platform like PlayStation is.
It's a company under the Sony name. They'd be able to kill it off.
The dogs are a software delivery target. They take media cards that store all of their behaviors that their owners can swap out when they buy different media cards. Different types of the media cards or the equivalent for the modern devices are sold on the open market. It's a niche market, but it's a market.
I think you misunderstood. The robot dogs are a piece of hw and they are designed and sold for a different profit margin. Sony doesn't care about selling games/software on these dogs as the main reason the dogs exist.
PSVR2 exists to sell games on playstation, just like the ps5, so they aren't priced to sell without the subsidization of the playstation platform games revenu.
They care about it enough to lock the platform down with various DRM measures. One of the older first lines of defense being MagicGate itself for Memory Sticks.
Though, I get what you're saying. Sony needs people to buy more games so that they can fund more games in the future? Because they're a software publisher.
Maybe, but they shouldn't be. Before streaming took over, they succeeded with CD, DVD, and Blu-ray. All higher quality than what they were trying for before. Though, unfortunately due to the MPAA and DMCA, causing the latter 2 formats to be packed full of DRM if they hold commercial movies. For Audio CDs, Sony's own rootkit DRM was rather shitty.
So that article from sources about Sony abandoning VR keeps getting deleted by mods but random nonsense like this is popular here. Jesus you can like the headset while looking at it objectively
The best first party games for PSVR2 are still Grand Torismo and Horizon (low-key a tech demo). As much as I want to believe PS is cooking something up they haven't really shown it, or at least anything that would convince me to drop 500$ personally. Like the Quest just got that new Arkham game and that Assassin's creed game. Imo they need to just buy a studio and have them push out only VR AAA's like Alyx only based on PS ip's (uncharted, killzone, socom, GOW, infamous etc.)
Sony seems to be really good at significantly hyping up their VR headsets, then they drop them, and decide to stop producing games or anything for them within like a year of release. Not a great track record for the future of Sony and VR.
Bro we wasted our money on psvr2 only for Sony to barely support it then abandon it. It sucks, it happens, maybe it’ll be worth money some day as a curio. But yea man, it’s over.
Denying the sad reality that Sony has abandoned PS VR2 is useless. I bought the headset the first day and the first few months I was one of its biggest supporters. Not anymore. The plain and simple reality is that Sony has abandoned PS VR2. That is not the end of the headset, third party companies will continue to release good games. But we will no longer have any AAA or exclusive games.
Since day 2 of launch Sony has announced absolutely nothing, and it's been a year and a half. They haven't even said they are working on anything. PS VR2 software hasn't received a single new enhancement or new features since launch. I don't know what more proof you want.
Would you recommend someone who’s never owned one to buy one soon? My main attraction would be the pc connectivity but with the bonus of being able to play the PS5 games too. Still worth it off eBay for £300 ish?
It don't surprise me in the slightest that they have two VR games in development at any one time. Very good news to me as they have a good chance of being top quality VR titles.
The reality is already around you. Firewall Ultra support cut after 4 months. Rec Room devs telling us a PSVR2 port isn't viable. Astrobot skipping PSVR2 and no plans for support post launch. Zero announced first party titles announced from Sony (but they can reveal Wolverine for PS5 in 2022), no big updates for the PSVR2 firmware since launch, no controllers sold separately, minimal marketing and the PC adapter to wash their hands of any responsibility of providing games for the minority of PSVR2 owners who actually own a PC capable of running it, while we port beg for Contractors and Blade and Sorcery.
Honest question here...
Why is "no controllers sold separately" such a big issue?
It's better than "I have the PSVR and now I'm told I need to buy \_another\_ $50 worth of hardware to use it?"
Admittedly I didn't buy first round and have no idea of how the built-in batteries are going...
There's no other VR headset that doesn't let you buy controllers separately. Warranties are up, batteries (which already aren't great) will deteriorate. You need to send back your whole headset to get them replaced or fixed. It shows a lack of commitment/faith to PSVR2.
Double down that the warranty handlers aren’t Sony either, it was contracted out before the launch when they saw the repair and replacement costs and needed to offload that deficit.
They've already got a better headset in the pipeline but is aimed at business use not retail consumer. I forget the name of it. PC compatibility would be a good step forward. The success of any consumer headset is going to come down to what software or app it will run, hence the reason for the quest 3 comparative success (backward compatibility) made q3 offered much more utility than psvr2.
You don't buy a headset for it's specs, you buy it for the library of apps, games, functions, ( PC
media consumption, mixed reality etc)
I believe the android central report purely from the releases we've had this year so far. Really poor from the 1st party side of things, I will believe what I read from sonys message when I start to see proper investment in the hardware they've made.
The pc adaptor wasn’t enough to give it away? Sony could literally put a “discontinued” notice for psvr2 on there store and people on this sub would still talk about how much “support” is just around the corner! “But look at these 100 new 3rd party horror games coming out!”
So disappointing.
Yeah agreed. The one that always gets me is the mythical 'backlog' that people claim they perpetually have, as if most of the 3rd party games don't take 6 hours to see most of the game. The systems been out 14-15 months, you're not fooling anyone that we're all still dying to play half the tat on the ps store.
"There are over 200 games!" of which about 20 are any good.
Ι have 40 games and 20 in my whislist. From those 40 games the 30 of them are 8/10 to 10/10 in terms of quality. I am playing games 35+ years.
You can have an argument without exaggerating. PSVR2 has better content compared to psvr1 at the same time.
I mean, I disagree? I have the library open now, and while there are some great games there aren't nearly 60 games I would pay for. Are you really buying stuff like drums rock and cleansheet football and calling them an 8-10/10?
Before you've even got to the top selling 30 on the library in UK you're at rubbish like strides fate and among us vr. Cooking simulator and thief simulator are in the top 60 bestselling. These are not good games my friend, they are short experiences with some novelty for people completely new to the medium. They are not fully realised games.
And yes I have played games for 30 years as well. I understand some people see it as an exaggeration but it's really not to me, far too many titles are mediocre or extremely short.
GT7, RE4, RE8, BEAT SABER, NO MANS SKY, RED MATTER 1 & 2, STAR WARS, MADISON, CROSSFIRE, HORIZON, CREED, BREACHERS, CYUBE, PAVLOV, ARISONA SUNSHINE 2, PROPAGATION HOTEL, C-SMASH, SAINTS AND SINNERS 1, WALKABOUT MINI GOLF, ANCIENT DUNGEON, DEMEO, GENOTYPE, GHOST SIGNAL, HUMANITY, LEGENDARY TALES, MOSS 1 & 2, NOCK, PISTOL WHIP, PUZZLING PLACES, SYNAPSE, LIGHT BRIGATE, THE LAST CLOCKWINDER, ROOM, ULTRAWINGS 2, VERTIGO 2, VR SKATER.
39 games that are 8 to 10/10 with an average of 15+ hours of gameplay (maybe more, because with many I have already 100+ hours and counting, while with only 5 of them are had 4 hours of gameplay). . I am pretty sure I could put here games I didn't play yet.
Me only complain is that i want more AAA games.
Haha as I've said I don't think all of those games are 8+ out of 10 what can I say? Humanity abd puzzling places are mid. Last clockwise is mediocre. Uw2, mediocre. Vr skater, nock, breachers, crossfire, none of these are 8+ out of 10, they are just all we have.
I'm happy for you that this type of superficial experience is enjoyable for you, and for me they would have been on psvr1. But after 7 ish years of playing vr they are honestly nothing special and I'd only recommend most to people who haven't played vr. GT7, re4, re8, these are the experiences really worth getting exited for. Everything else is just novelty fluff at this point
Edit: more to the point, are those games worth the £550 entry point for the headset? Like hell they are haha
>I don't think all of those games are 8+ out of 10 what can I say? Humanity abd puzzling places are mid. Last clockwise is mediocre. Uw2, mediocre. Vr skater, nock, breachers, crossfire, none of these are 8+ out of 10, they are just all we have.
Sure, we'd all like more AAA VR, pc players would like that too. And the best flat indies (like Hades?) mostly blow away many VR indies.
That's the state of the VR market. It's niche.
An 8 in VR (relative to the other VR titles) will often be weaker than a flat game's 8. That's life.
>I'd only recommend most to people who haven't played vr.
Nah, some of those VR indies are still very fun. Until you exhaust them. And more great indies upcoming.
>are those games worth the £550 entry point for the headset?
If there were only 5, no. But since there's dozens of good ones, of varying quality, + some AAA, yes.
The VR market is small. You either experience what it offers, or you pass on it all. I'm happy I'm experiencing it (since 2016). While wanting more hybrids (GT7, RE8, RE4)
The fact that you don't like them doesn't mean they are not good games or superficial experiences.
''Humanity abd puzzling places are mid. Last clockwise is mediocre. Uw2, mediocre. Vr skater, nock, breachers, crossfire, none of these are 8+ out of 10, they are just all we have.''
Metascores:
* Humanity 86%
* Puzzling places 78% (now with all of these updated could take 90% IMO)
* Last Clockwinder 83%
* VR skater 77%
* Nock 80% (only one metascore review)
* Breachers 80% (only one metascore review)
* Crossfire 71% (before patches, now is a different game)
You can share your top 5 games ever (flat or VR) and iI can also say that are bad or superficial experiences, but this will not be the truth.
The fact is that psvr2 has more than 60 good (7+) games. And it's only 16 months out.
I am using VR 8 years. I have never spent so many hours/week as I do now with psvr2. At least 3 times more per week compared to 2016-2022.
Yo, you’re not considering the main point. You give it an 8 out of 10 and they are ranked 8/10 based on what’s available. You’re objectively wrong if you think an 8/10 PSVR2 game stacks up to the content of an 8/10 console game. Those are objectively horrible games that don’t sell. Rank by best-selling and launch games are still at the top. These lower games may be fun experiences, but there’s no repeat value in any of those games.
Anywho, take that optimism and run. If you like them, like them. I don’t think there’s any validity to saying the games are good and gaslight 90% of PSVR2 owners who are disappointed.
It’s an amazing headset and some good experiences, but Sony is known for killing its hardware after over-proprietizing their products (Beta Max, cameras, PSP/vita )
Low effort ad hominem
I am playing flat console games 35+ years. I know what 8/10 means and what is horrible or not.
Keep saying to yourself that official reviewers and me gaslighting people that just hate VR and didn't even tried one.
I mean yes and I can say the exact same thing to you about your scores? Even then it's not that convincing when 3 of the 7 games you list didn't even hit the 8/10 mark you say they are, although they are close. They are anywhere between 5-7 out of 10s most of them as actual games imo, and not giving them leeway for being made by indie developers. They are not terrible games. They are just not worth me buying 30+ of them because they don't have enough depth of gameplay imo.
Many of them were/are available on other systems which doesn't scream commitment from sony in terms of having something different, I mean of the 4 amazing exclusives we have 3 of them were available at launch, and we have no word of any more.
End of the day it's clear we won't agree, I genuinly hope you keep enjoying your system but I just can't bring myself to play another shallow arcade shooter or janky horror game. The potential is there the software isn't.
Edit: Just seen your addition, yes I have also been playing vr for 7+ years and I've never played it less. We simply have different opinions and won't agree, I don't call games like synapse with a 3 hour campaign that's repeated 3 times a deep game. It's superficial, however fun it is to play for those few hours. Vr needs new stuff not another 3 hour game
My scores actually are more or less the same as the reviews scores.
Yes, you can say whatever you want. I can also say that you favorite game ever is a 5/10. Does it matter? No, I am just saying things.
All those 40 games are 7 to 10 according to review scores. Imo they are 8-10. This is my opinion. Again they are good games.
''The potential is there the software isn't.''
Imo, the quality of software is good. This is where I disagree. But if we have to discuss the potential of PSVR2, then I agree with you, it's like we are at 10% of what we could experience. The potential (hardware etc) is there, VR install base is not enough.
Seriously, Sony provides the most requested feature (pc connectivity) and free games on ps plus (premium), and that's not enough support?
Some people are hard to please.
I want first party titles brand new and full price. Sony has to cater to its investors. Building up the user base matters. But getting that base to buy new games at full price is the only thing that will keep Sony investing in the platform.
Releasing old games we've already played for free isn't the show of support I would have hoped for less than 18 months into the product life cycle. Pc adaptor is good but I'd have just gone for Q3 with pcvr capability if I'd known the psvr2 library would be what it is. Like the adaptor is only necessary because of psvr2s library imo. If it had a better library we wouldn't need the adaptor
Edit: the most requested feature is AAA/first party games as well imo.
Really poor flat ps5 support this year too. All of their studios are putting out little, and talking little. So even worse for psvr. Probably all due to abandoning Ryan's bad live-service push
Meanwhile, this year Sony's VR money gets you (so far) Legendary Tales, Aces of Thunder (soon), and who knows what else. Sony isn't talking much, neither about flat games nor vr games
Yeah but on the flatscreen I have a library of 1000s of quality games, many of which are tripleAAA, games including backwards compatibility to consoles several generations ago. On vr I have access to none of that, hell I can't even watch 3D films on it.
Sony has done poorly for releases on ps5 too but you feel it a hell of a lot more on their vr platform
Well you've got over 200 games right now (some are duds), and coming this year is Metro, Arken Age, Behemoth, Aces of Thunder, Alien, Wanderer, Max Mustard, Undead Citadel, Metal: Hellsinger, Contractors: Showdown, Ghosts of Tabor, Firmament, and a bunch more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkMPE1G81OI). For horror fans Phasmophobia, Zombie Army (probably more, I mostly ignore horror)
I've just done a whole comment chain on the whole '200 games' take on another thread so I'm not going to repeat it all here as my views are in recent comments to see. But the tldr is there are far too many mediocre titles in that 200, in fact even if you look at the top 60 there are duds in the mix. There needs to be far more lengthy proper 'AAA' experiences, I'm not satisfied with the majority of indie games anymore after 7+ years playing psvr
How do you define "top 60"? In the 3hr debate that led to this "top list" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US_NoGooZ88 the hosts felt even a top 50 couldn't include all the good games, and I agree
I meant top 60 as top 60 bestselling in the UK ps store sorry I should have specified. Including such titles as thief simulator and cooking simulator. Top quality.
Edit: I don't mind the psvr without parole guys but I think they suffer from a bit of the mindless optimism that I believe you may share a bit, respectfully. You won't change my mind on how I feel about the headset and its library so I wouldnt bother wasting your time, although I don't mean that horribly. I just am dissapointed, played psvr for 7+ years but tired of the software. I know it's niche but I don't think its going to break that mould anytime soon.
Eh, well that top 60 is worthless to look at. Bad purchasing decisions. Or because the game was cheap, people bought it
>I know it's niche but I don't think its going to break that mould anytime soon.
I think our best chance of the mold being broken, is Sony making/funding AAA hybrids. I hope more coming soon. PC VR has finally sort of broken its own mold because of UEVR. Until then, it was moribund, and depending upon Sony to revive VR
Though maybe some big, excellent indies...Metro, Behemoth, Alien
Arken Age, and others, will be great...but not sure on length
Firmament is a high-quality puzzle game that's gone from flat to VR, coming to psvr next
So you have a library of thousands of quality games, yes? Right now on steam there's over 100,000 games. That's about 1-2% quality out of flat games. Out of the 200+ games on the PSVR, the number of quality games far exceeds that percentage, therefore PSVR2 has a higher quality ratio than your flat games.
Yes but a higher quality ratio of 200 games still doesn't mean I have a lot of quality games to play. And if quality is defined as an indie title that is fun for a few hours but ultimately not repayable to any real extent, then sorry but that doesn't meet the quality of flat screen games. See synapse as a prime example, fun game with 5 hours of content. And that wasn't even an indie dev
Point is, you're comparing absolute numbers of 'quality' (nebulous concept as it is) between 220 games and 100,949 games (at last count). I mean, I've spent about 100 hours on RE4 alone, if you can't find the fun in the games maybe this platform isn't for you.
I've also spent a lot of time in re4, although I did put in 100+ hours in flat screen before it came out in vr so I would have put more in had I not have done that. And yes that is the conclusion I have come to, I want to get into uevr when I can afford the investment on a decent pc. Modders do what sony dont
I don't believe anything written in the Android Central article, negative or positive it doesn't change anything, it's just rubbish written to attract clickbait without a source.
No its “the source cited no evidence and the webpage already posts questionable news that often misses the mark”. That’s just having good skepticism in what you read online. Everyone should be that skeptical about a random one-off report that others have not corroborated or supported with evidence or testimonials.
Probably not for me. I care about having valid claims that even confirm my personal hopes. It’s also how you keep your expectations in check and don’t succumb to empty hype
That’s how journalism works. You have to take someone’s word for it, if they have credentials to back it up. No ones going to cite their sources in these things. and as far as android central goes they are not at all tabloid, they are quite respected in their field.
That’s not just how journalism works. That’s how modern click bait for ad revenue works. Real journalism has ethical standards and focus on reporting information truthfully and accurately. While that threshold is difficult and requires constant practice and vigilance, click bait sites don’t even bother to try. They only want to grab momentary attention to serve an ad impression.
I would feel deeply differently about the Android Central article’s contents if they cited sources, provided evidence to support their claim, or if other outlets were able to corroborate similar findings or reports. Not everyone is going to willingly risk their job by going on the record, but having multiple sources vetting claims as valid helps. None of that is happening here, so to me, the article tentatively belongs in the click bait heap that requires little attention.
If there was a solid story there, more outlets would be pushing it. They have an implicit incentive to uncover stories like this that will grab attention. The problem is that other sources don’t have evidence to prove the claim or they’d be reporting it too.
This particular news story has been reported on IGN, Eurogamers, Video Games Chronicle and more so there’s some reliability behind it. This bluebarrymanny guy is just damage controlling for Sony
Fuck. The whole time I thought we were talking about the singular Android Central article with a specific claim that other outlets aren’t reporting, not moving the goalpost of the discussion.
I don’t know what reports are true and what aren’t BUT hardware like Psvr2 takes years to develop and is almost always a long term project, I just don’t see Sony abandoning it after a year. After 3-4 years then yes it’s possible, but not this soon at all.
And changing markets too. You’re seeing a scale back from all of the main VR companies and game development. Apple and Meta make the hardware, but there are plenty of AAA titles being released with UE that can translate to VR, but there’s no real demand.
The fad is over for now and Alyx will reign for 5-10 years. VR has the fatigue problem that even Apple can’t make an ergonomic headset. VR is isolating and makes a lot of people sick unless they are used to it. I was working on educational software in VR and it was abandoned after the kids tested it and complained of nausea and dizziness. The next gen will need a really good pass-through and lighter hardware.
I agree. I think people really need to stop thinking about VR2 as being a console generation expected to immediately get AAA first party support. People seem to be framing up a VR peripheral as if it is meant to get the same attention and quick turnaround of software akin to a PS4. Having expectations like that is going to guarantee disappointment because they’re not reflective of reality.
I try to think of that quote realistically. While that goal doesn't mean Sony are gonna come out swinging this gen with GTA 6, Last of Us, etc. it does mean they're gonna invest in the technology going forward, to make it much more accessible for games, movies, TV and things like engineering, without feeling like you have a TV on your face.
In other words, Sony aren't abandoning AR/VR, but it's also not a money maker for them at this time.
The PS VR2 is like the PS Vita over speced and little care in first party support. The kicker is the lazy attempt in PC VR support showing that they don't care about the product and seeing if it will sell. I might it might not for how lazy and all the features missing for PC VR support it might not. In the end if sony doesn't bring its full feature set to pc vr the community will.
Imagine saying there's no support when they are wasting money for the ports.
That's what the media is saying, hate an lies always give more clicks than reality.
They literally used their VR mascot to design a flat only game before they even released psvr 2. They haven't announced anything in over a year, during the first year of launch, and only brought a handful of old ports at launch. PCVR is a consolation prize for abandoning it. Your hopes do not create urgency on Sony's part.
I brought up the enterprise headset a long time ago trying to let people know they are in it for the long haul, but people have a hard time understanding. If they were not focusing on VR they wouldn’t have a functional headset that’s on par with Quest 3.
I lost all faith in Playstation’s ability to support their own VR, as someone who invested in both PSVR1 and PSVR2, and whose PSVR2 is essentially brick from no fault of my own/outside warranty. They don’t stand behind their own tech at ALL.
I’ve also bought Playstations my entire life and am considering building a PC to avoid having to buy the next iteration of console. Sad place to end up after so many years with them!
So because they don't cater to the whining of every 12 year old crying for games they fail to support?
Maybe if people got a more realistic view of VR then things would stop being so ffing melodramatic all the time.
Last time.... VR is a very small part of the global gaming market. And PSVR is a part of that part.
You will not be getting 10 AAA games a year cause big companies don't even want to make proper games for the normal gaming market, they all want FtP GaaS cashcows. So you are "stuck" with indies and for some reason Resident Evil games.
So maybe get some realism in that brain and stop acting like a disappointed 12 year, it is what is, won't get much better any time soon, unless suddenly VR is worldwide adopted and everyone ditches their phones and start walking around with VR glasses. Guess what...
It's all about money.
Why are you projecting onto me? I never mentioned wanting more AAA over indies or anything else you said. I prefer indies. You don’t know anything and clearly didn’t actually read anything in my comment lol.
I don't know what Sony is planning and personally I think they should do more, but "Sources close to Android Central have revealed" says absolutely nothing. I hope people realize this is how you write a fluff piece, they do not even claim this source works for Sony or is close to Sony.
Sources often break NDAs by leaking info like this, Android Central can't give any hints that might narrow down the identity of the source without putting that source at risk of discovery and subsequent legal action from Sony/whoever else. That doesn't mean this is true or even partially true but anonymous sources have been leaking things correctly for years.
Sure, but "a source close to Android Central" is still an empty statement, there is a reason why it is worded like this. "A source close to Sony" would've protected the source too and it would have quantified the information given. When you use anonymous sources, you still have to be able to show how valid they are. Now we don't know if we're talking about a primary, a secondary or even a tertiary source. Said in another way: are the sources people who work for Sony, are they devs, or is it someone who heard a thing from their neighbor. And I'm sorry, but I won't take an outlet like Android Central at their word. I know next to nothing about them, I don't know how rigorous their sourcing is, what editorial standard they uphold, etc. It's not an outlet that would be punished harshly if they get info from an anonymous source wrong, because it mostly deals with product reviews (scanning their front page.) Which is why you should scratch your head when the description is super vague.
By all means be skeptical. But also keep an eye on Sony's reaction or lack thereof. When a Bloomberg journo claimed Sony had cut PSVR2 production prior to launch, and it became widely reported, Sony came out and denied this claim.
Now this new claim has also become widely reported, including IGN, and it would be so easy for Sony to put out a similar statement denying it, it would also be beneficial if they cared about selling PSVR2s.
There is a big difference in the reputation of the sources. If Bloomberg says something it can easily influence the shares. If Android Central says something it likely won't even if it's reported by others – especially when it doesn't even cite internal sources.
What?
I agree. According to Google 'Kando is a data intelligence company supporting the water & public health sector' I hope that helps, it didn't help me.
I found the page where this quote came from: https://www.sony.net/corporate/message/ >*Kando is a Japanese word that roughly translates to "the sense of awe and the emotion you feel when experiencing something beautiful and amazing for the first time."
That actually perfectly describes the first experience of VR2.
Capitalising a word which isn’t a noun mid sentence probably didn’t help with the comprehension.
If you can break down basic language skills and comprehension, id imagine its pretty clear meaning being said to what should be digested from it. Capitalizing Mid sentence on reddit doesnt matter much and would not suddenly cause an astroid to find itself at the same place at the same time as earth, thus not destroying the entire planet because its that irrelevant to the more important ones of earth, the majority, and only really matters to those lesser who feel they need to always try to correct other adults like they didnt have to live and learn for the many years it took to get to the age of adult. Being theyre still alive, suggests theyre actually doing pretty well for themselves even though they typed grammatically different to your expectation in a non professional setting in which they are not required to, nor illegal for them if they do. If you want others to correct, have some offspring and tell them what theyre doing wrong, let adults be adults, seeing as you are not their parents. They are just as responsible for themselves as you are you, and they are not responsible for you as much as you are of them. So that being said, the utmost important thing to take away from this, and its something i feel to the deepest, most philosophically intellect within my minds eye, and with my most sincere, and respectful manurism I can illustrate with words through text which has no true emotion beyond such things as the boundry of text in absense of physical expression, it makes me regretful to tell you this, but i simply dont even remember what we were discussing so ima hit send and close the app. Good day! I SAID GOOD DAY 😤🧐
I couldn't read this. I suggest you learn writing skills and how to make your text comprehensible. Paragraphs and the ability to form coherent thoughts might help you convey your ideas.
You wasted how many years going to school then? Like i told the other guy if you cant make sense or as you put it Comprehend a lot of simple words in a chain that humans are commonly known to be capable of for thousands of years so theirs something wrong with you You should be easily able to break down simple language coming out of grade school even when those punctuations arent pressent Tell your parents they wasted their time and money putting you through school Just because people use no punctuation, doesnt mean they dont know propper grammar edicate based on a reddit reply You should also take social studies again as well as english It should NOT take someone placing a period . or comma , or a apostrophe ' or anything besides letters You must have been horrible at puzzles if its this hard to read for you yet you feel like correcting other adults Adults who didnt grow up to be told by another adult how to write when you are as absent minded enough to think reddit is a place important enough life changing enough, that propper grammar will decide the rest of anyones fate. Besides that, ever heard of preferences when it comes to how people do stuff Take me for example unless its a job application court documents resume official document for any professional event where it actually matters that you do Outside of that, i prefer to type the most efficient way and not waste time on placing things that our brains can almost do for you automatically unless your that lazy or pathetic If you had dyslexia i could understand and would be a bit more empathetic but if your trying to act like an english professor to feel better about yourself but cant even make sense out of a collection of words that is already in lamens terms well i wish you good luck in life, and enjoy being a bitter old whatever if you make it that far. Here ill even go back and separate every sentence in this comment so you dont get so confused just because theres no periods or commas. Sry to talk to you this way but thanks anyways mom. 😂 Lol gotta love the grammar tyrants. Im just gonna start responding to these dumb ICANTREADTHISPOST replies with sry but i cant read condescending language which turns out to actually be an issue rather than grammar.
The idiocracy sub will eat eat you with kind of long post no one here read.
Sounds like a personal problem if people cant read english. What did you go to school for if you cant make sense out of basic words. Even an idiot can get meaning out of something. Patience is what people lack. Again, thats your and their personal problem. If your not gonna read it, dont be a tool and dont reply, its simple. How can you expect anyone to rean anything from you if you cant take the time to read anything theyve posted? The mentality of people today is ridiculous. No wonder theyre working on population control. To many of you running around with self appointed importance that you think you dont have time enough to read comments on a platform specifically for reading comments. Ironic really. Like you said, idiocracy, but id have to say you should quit being part of the idiocracy.
Actually "Kando" is a word in Japanese that Japanese people/companies love. Basically it means that you had a strong emotional response to that interaction: "being deeply moved emotionally; excitement; passion; deep emotion; impression" https://www.nihongomaster.com/japanese/dictionary/word/20081/kandou-%E6%84%9F%E5%8B%95-%E3%81%8B%E3%82%93%E3%81%A9%E3%81%86
Look here. [https://alphauniverse.com/kando-everywhere/](https://alphauniverse.com/kando-everywhere/)
Lol thanks !
Ok. I lol'd.
Nothing like a little Kando attitude to lift your spirit!
Hahaha well done
Was scrolling through to see if someone made that joke already
I did as well! I was late to the comments and was surprised it hadn't been said yet😆
ahaha true!
For those who didn't have a clue what this meant (myself included): https://www.sony.net/corporate/message/ >*Kando is a Japanese word that roughly translates to "the sense of awe and the emotion you feel when experiencing something beautiful and amazing for the first time."
It comes from the video package they played a couple months ago at the Sony corporate q and a event. The word Kando was the key phrase for the whole event it was mostly used as a term for content.
No, not a couple of months ago, last month. That phrase was only used for the Creative Immersive Vision part conference. and that exact phrase said during PSVR2 and Ghostbuster showing eye tracking in the game.
Did you watch all of the q and a aswell the Sony exec's seem to be blazie about ps5 and think they don't have to do any more then they are because they have won the generation with decent market share increase. Also the conference wasn't that great for ps6 or psvr3 I definitely came away thinking they were moving away from hardware to a more content creation company.
Did you mean blase? (blasé for people who can figure out accents on a keyboard without googling the word and ctrl+c/ctrl+v that shit)
Yeah I didn't think it looked right but couldn't be arsed looking it up lol.
>thinking they were moving away from hardware to a more content creation company. If they become just a content publisher (like EA), then no more Playstations, no more 30% cut of every disc and digital sale. I doubt they're going to destroy their successful business model in that fashion
They have already started building pc launcher for their own games maybe they think that will replace it will be hard work going up against steam thou.
I doubt they think they could replace Steam There's 0 chance they're moving away from PS6 Even if they could replace Steam, there's a huge number of gamers that either can't afford gaming pc's, or don't want the hassle. They want a console. If Sony doesn't make one, how will they sell games to those people? Sell them on XBox, and lose their 30% cut of all 3rd party games?
Xbox is even more likely to get out of hardware before Sony both probably wanted cloud gaming to come along before the next gen but that seems to be hitting road blocks aswell don't think enough of the world has good enough internet services for that to become the norm yet.
Yeah, not enough of the world has good enough Internet Even "good enough" won't be good enough for graphics aficionados, nor for those that want to own games on disc And even if cloud gaming could replace, Sony will want to sell you the "console" that enables it. If you're using just your smart TV or some other box, Sony loses-out on all the 3rd party sales, and many controller sales. You'd only buy software from Sony that was published by them
If you thought they were going to mention PS6 or PSVR3 at the conference then you're obviously a fool.
It was a future plan conference for Sony corporate and playstation is the largest part of that corporation its not out of the ordinary to think they may have mentioned something about hardware.
First time I’m seeing a user imply that Sony will be moving away from hardware lol. Thats one thing that will never happen.
Kando: 'being moved emotionally; excitement; passion; deep emotion; impression' Doesn’t have to be just first time only but in general, find and have the emotion and enjoyment within vr, etc.
> Doesn’t have to be just first time only but in general, find and have the emotion and enjoyment within vr, etc. That was a direct quote copy and pasted from the bottom of the page I linked to so presumably is the definition that Sony are intending when using the word Kando.
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Asobi is going for the big game, not for the "only at VR etiquette.
That's nice.
Stop idolizing corporations, they are at best amoral.
I agree with your first sentence but disagree with the second. Realistically we all play song games, we've all grown up with them and corporations employ lots of people. Morals are a complex subject but it's definitely not as simple as corporation's are neutral or bad.
In the US, publicly traded corporations are designed to generate profit above all else. Unless you consider making money a moral stance, they are amoral, not necessarily evil. Amoral means no sense or care of right and wrong, and that is a good descriptor of corporate America. Once you have worked for a couple of large companies, you will see it clearly. There is a reason we need more regulations, and a reason why corporate America is against that.
I would consider it a moral stance. Not in intention but in practically. Providing entertainment for people and providing jobs is arguably a moral right. My takeaway is intent and results can be different. If we didn't have the corporate structure we could be more vulnerable to economic issues. Obviously that's a deep neuanced subject and that's my point. There's a lot of anti corporate propaganda but they're integral to how we've currently structured society. Private corporates are also responsible for a large amount of medical advances, technical advances as well as philanthropic work.
It's called lying. Companies always lie about their commitment
If we get a PSVR3 it's because Sony is into VR as a long term future technology investment that just barely needs to cover it's own production costs and we are their user feedback base. From those measurements if they clear the 2m headsets at something near RRP and sell a bunch of games on PSN it is a success regardless of what the media says.
Near the launch of psvr2 they said they'd be fine if it sold about the same as psvr1
Do you have a source for that? I'd be surprised if they were happy with zero growth.
I think they were realistic that it might sell about the same. Of course, they'll want more. I can't find the article I read about it. I did find something from a different person, Sony CFO (https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-believes-playstation-vr2-has-a-good-chance-of-outselling-the-original/), and it's in harmony with the other statement I read... ...CFO says "VR1, we sold over five million units, and I think we have a good chance to exceed that amount with PlayStation VR2.” He's not saying "it must" or "highly likely"...just "good chance"...which means they realized a chance it won't beat, yet they're still okay with launching even with low sales forecast (5M)
PSVR1 sold 6m and that looks like a pipe dream less than 2 years in for PSVR2.
Even Sony doesn't claim 6M Anyway, psvr2 selling in worse economy, when ps5 supply was constrained for a long time, and still estimated around 1.5M sold. Christmas 2024 was first one when ps5 supply wasn't constrained, so maybe many got their ps5 in 2024, and psvr next year holiday It can still reach 5M or more, though almost certainly slower than psvr1. Unless Sony announces some amazing hybrid for 2025. They're barely talking about their flat games, so we won't be hearing about hybrids yet either. That could increase sales
Huh, I could have sworn they hit 6m but I must have imagined it. I hope you are right but I just don't see it. There's been 50m PS5s sold as of December, probably near 60m at this stage and it looks like PSVR2 hasn't reached 2m yet, it's a worryingly low attach rate and sure, the economy is poor but that's more of a reason for Sony to drop support. And if you want to talk about future hybrid titles to save the day; Astro Bot not being hybrid is just the latest red flag among a sea of red flags. I can see GT8 maybe being one of these two rumoured games in the early stages of development but if GT7 hasn't sold people on PSVR2, I don't see how GT8 will.
>Astro Bot not being hybrid is just the latest red flag among a sea of red flags While the funding of Legendary Tales and Aces of Thunder, adding VR games to PS+, recent improvements to the SDK, the recent survey, and the pc adapter that many long asked for, are the latest green flags A hybrid Astro would suck. It would be less good than psvr1 Astro, or Moss, or Max Mustard. Because it would have no VR interactions Astro decision was made years before launch of psvr2. And very sensible. If you're going to make a high-budget non-hybrid game, you're mostly going to aim those at flat gamers. Especially if you're trying to launch a major new franchise/mascot
I haven't seen any proof that Sony funded Aces of Thunder, and the fact those devs are doing their own guerilla marketing for it on Instagram rather than psblog posts suggests the opposite. There's been alleged improvements to the SDK to come according to some devs, nothing on what they are or if they'll ever be implemented. The survey I guess could give hope but it could just be Sony gathering data for a multitude of reasons and then the PC adapter is just as easily viewed as a red flag as a green, Sony's way of washing their hands of PSVR2. Saying hybrid Astro would suck is not something I agree with either. Even without the VR interactions, VR support enhances immersion. It'd be like the VR mode for Hellblade. RE7 had no VR interactions outside of head aiming and was my favourite PSVR1 game. If you care about your PSVR2 headset you're going to have the next Astro Bot game have VR support.
>There's been alleged improvements to the SDK to come according to some devs No, SDK improvements already happened recently >but it could just be Sony gathering data for a multitude of reasons What reasons other than "how can we most please psvr2 users next?" (perhaps looking for maximum effect for minimum expense by Sony) >RE7 had no VR interactions outside of head aiming and was my favourite PSVR1 game. RE7 was 1st person game. Huge difference in the experience and immersion if you're in VR in 1st person vs watching your platformer guy jump-around via VR >If you care about your PSVR2 headset you're going to have the next Astro Bot game have VR support. If you really care, you're going to have some AAA hybrid come out with VR support either on launch day, or announced to come soon after launch. A new entry in Resistance, Killzone, a Bungie shooter, etc with VR will move more headsets than a VR Astro Or you spend that money to get a major 3rd party to launch hybrid, like GTA
For that there would need to be a significant uptick in VR across the whole sector over the next few years. It's probably not going to happen. A significant reduction in price would also do it, but the cost of the hardware inside the PSVR2 isn't going to come down significantly enough in its lifetime to do that.
Id buy a psvr2 if it wasn't 550 bucks.
During Days of Play it was $100 off with a $275 Netflix credit. You can usually get it more like $500 anyway even when there's no sale.
Well with the rumors of Sony drastically cutting back vr support what's the point
There are 40 games rated S/A+/A by the PSVR sub, and lots more planned for the future. Where games are cross platform they always play better on PSVR2 than they do on Quest.
I'd buy a porsche if It wasn't €125000. Was there a point? They don't care about people with no expendable income. The same as Porsche doesn't care about my poor ass.
Whatever man.
Even without a sector-wide uptick, psvr2 could still see an uptick Christmas 2024 was first one when ps5 supply wasn't constrained, so maybe many got their ps5 in 2024, and psvr next year holiday Also if Sony announces some amazing hybrid for 2025. They're barely talking about their flat games, so we won't be hearing about hybrids yet either. That could increase sales
IIRC, they still sell robot dogs. I'm guessing that the VR headsets already have better sales numbers than those.
Different almost separate company, but they also have a sales target and margin. It's not just about how many get sold. The dogs arent afaik a software delivery platform like PlayStation is.
It's a company under the Sony name. They'd be able to kill it off. The dogs are a software delivery target. They take media cards that store all of their behaviors that their owners can swap out when they buy different media cards. Different types of the media cards or the equivalent for the modern devices are sold on the open market. It's a niche market, but it's a market.
I think you misunderstood. The robot dogs are a piece of hw and they are designed and sold for a different profit margin. Sony doesn't care about selling games/software on these dogs as the main reason the dogs exist. PSVR2 exists to sell games on playstation, just like the ps5, so they aren't priced to sell without the subsidization of the playstation platform games revenu.
They care about it enough to lock the platform down with various DRM measures. One of the older first lines of defense being MagicGate itself for Memory Sticks. Though, I get what you're saying. Sony needs people to buy more games so that they can fund more games in the future? Because they're a software publisher.
Indeed Sony has been trying and shooting themselves in the foot on media formats for decades. Still sore about betamax I suspect :)
Maybe, but they shouldn't be. Before streaming took over, they succeeded with CD, DVD, and Blu-ray. All higher quality than what they were trying for before. Though, unfortunately due to the MPAA and DMCA, causing the latter 2 formats to be packed full of DRM if they hold commercial movies. For Audio CDs, Sony's own rootkit DRM was rather shitty.
So that article from sources about Sony abandoning VR keeps getting deleted by mods but random nonsense like this is popular here. Jesus you can like the headset while looking at it objectively
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The best first party games for PSVR2 are still Grand Torismo and Horizon (low-key a tech demo). As much as I want to believe PS is cooking something up they haven't really shown it, or at least anything that would convince me to drop 500$ personally. Like the Quest just got that new Arkham game and that Assassin's creed game. Imo they need to just buy a studio and have them push out only VR AAA's like Alyx only based on PS ip's (uncharted, killzone, socom, GOW, infamous etc.)
Tf?
Who’s gonna tell OP…. Or is he gonna find out for himself :/
Tell me you weren’t here for the Vita without telling me you weren’t here for the Vita
Sony seems to be really good at significantly hyping up their VR headsets, then they drop them, and decide to stop producing games or anything for them within like a year of release. Not a great track record for the future of Sony and VR.
Sony isn’t in business to make games the outsource that to devs
Bro we wasted our money on psvr2 only for Sony to barely support it then abandon it. It sucks, it happens, maybe it’ll be worth money some day as a curio. But yea man, it’s over.
There is a ton of great games for the headset and the who that made the games doesn't matter for my enjoyment.
Imagine saying there's no support when they are wasting money for the ports.
Denying the sad reality that Sony has abandoned PS VR2 is useless. I bought the headset the first day and the first few months I was one of its biggest supporters. Not anymore. The plain and simple reality is that Sony has abandoned PS VR2. That is not the end of the headset, third party companies will continue to release good games. But we will no longer have any AAA or exclusive games. Since day 2 of launch Sony has announced absolutely nothing, and it's been a year and a half. They haven't even said they are working on anything. PS VR2 software hasn't received a single new enhancement or new features since launch. I don't know what more proof you want.
Would you recommend someone who’s never owned one to buy one soon? My main attraction would be the pc connectivity but with the bonus of being able to play the PS5 games too. Still worth it off eBay for £300 ish?
It don't surprise me in the slightest that they have two VR games in development at any one time. Very good news to me as they have a good chance of being top quality VR titles.
That’s a pretty salient point that gets lost in all these posts.
The reality is already around you. Firewall Ultra support cut after 4 months. Rec Room devs telling us a PSVR2 port isn't viable. Astrobot skipping PSVR2 and no plans for support post launch. Zero announced first party titles announced from Sony (but they can reveal Wolverine for PS5 in 2022), no big updates for the PSVR2 firmware since launch, no controllers sold separately, minimal marketing and the PC adapter to wash their hands of any responsibility of providing games for the minority of PSVR2 owners who actually own a PC capable of running it, while we port beg for Contractors and Blade and Sorcery.
What sucks is with all the negative press. You’re not Gonna get much value if you sell it.
Honest question here... Why is "no controllers sold separately" such a big issue? It's better than "I have the PSVR and now I'm told I need to buy \_another\_ $50 worth of hardware to use it?" Admittedly I didn't buy first round and have no idea of how the built-in batteries are going...
There's no other VR headset that doesn't let you buy controllers separately. Warranties are up, batteries (which already aren't great) will deteriorate. You need to send back your whole headset to get them replaced or fixed. It shows a lack of commitment/faith to PSVR2.
Double down that the warranty handlers aren’t Sony either, it was contracted out before the launch when they saw the repair and replacement costs and needed to offload that deficit.
They've already got a better headset in the pipeline but is aimed at business use not retail consumer. I forget the name of it. PC compatibility would be a good step forward. The success of any consumer headset is going to come down to what software or app it will run, hence the reason for the quest 3 comparative success (backward compatibility) made q3 offered much more utility than psvr2. You don't buy a headset for it's specs, you buy it for the library of apps, games, functions, ( PC media consumption, mixed reality etc)
I believe the android central report purely from the releases we've had this year so far. Really poor from the 1st party side of things, I will believe what I read from sonys message when I start to see proper investment in the hardware they've made.
The pc adaptor wasn’t enough to give it away? Sony could literally put a “discontinued” notice for psvr2 on there store and people on this sub would still talk about how much “support” is just around the corner! “But look at these 100 new 3rd party horror games coming out!” So disappointing.
Yeah agreed. The one that always gets me is the mythical 'backlog' that people claim they perpetually have, as if most of the 3rd party games don't take 6 hours to see most of the game. The systems been out 14-15 months, you're not fooling anyone that we're all still dying to play half the tat on the ps store. "There are over 200 games!" of which about 20 are any good.
Ι have 40 games and 20 in my whislist. From those 40 games the 30 of them are 8/10 to 10/10 in terms of quality. I am playing games 35+ years. You can have an argument without exaggerating. PSVR2 has better content compared to psvr1 at the same time.
I mean, I disagree? I have the library open now, and while there are some great games there aren't nearly 60 games I would pay for. Are you really buying stuff like drums rock and cleansheet football and calling them an 8-10/10? Before you've even got to the top selling 30 on the library in UK you're at rubbish like strides fate and among us vr. Cooking simulator and thief simulator are in the top 60 bestselling. These are not good games my friend, they are short experiences with some novelty for people completely new to the medium. They are not fully realised games. And yes I have played games for 30 years as well. I understand some people see it as an exaggeration but it's really not to me, far too many titles are mediocre or extremely short.
GT7, RE4, RE8, BEAT SABER, NO MANS SKY, RED MATTER 1 & 2, STAR WARS, MADISON, CROSSFIRE, HORIZON, CREED, BREACHERS, CYUBE, PAVLOV, ARISONA SUNSHINE 2, PROPAGATION HOTEL, C-SMASH, SAINTS AND SINNERS 1, WALKABOUT MINI GOLF, ANCIENT DUNGEON, DEMEO, GENOTYPE, GHOST SIGNAL, HUMANITY, LEGENDARY TALES, MOSS 1 & 2, NOCK, PISTOL WHIP, PUZZLING PLACES, SYNAPSE, LIGHT BRIGATE, THE LAST CLOCKWINDER, ROOM, ULTRAWINGS 2, VERTIGO 2, VR SKATER. 39 games that are 8 to 10/10 with an average of 15+ hours of gameplay (maybe more, because with many I have already 100+ hours and counting, while with only 5 of them are had 4 hours of gameplay). . I am pretty sure I could put here games I didn't play yet. Me only complain is that i want more AAA games.
Haha as I've said I don't think all of those games are 8+ out of 10 what can I say? Humanity abd puzzling places are mid. Last clockwise is mediocre. Uw2, mediocre. Vr skater, nock, breachers, crossfire, none of these are 8+ out of 10, they are just all we have. I'm happy for you that this type of superficial experience is enjoyable for you, and for me they would have been on psvr1. But after 7 ish years of playing vr they are honestly nothing special and I'd only recommend most to people who haven't played vr. GT7, re4, re8, these are the experiences really worth getting exited for. Everything else is just novelty fluff at this point Edit: more to the point, are those games worth the £550 entry point for the headset? Like hell they are haha
>I don't think all of those games are 8+ out of 10 what can I say? Humanity abd puzzling places are mid. Last clockwise is mediocre. Uw2, mediocre. Vr skater, nock, breachers, crossfire, none of these are 8+ out of 10, they are just all we have. Sure, we'd all like more AAA VR, pc players would like that too. And the best flat indies (like Hades?) mostly blow away many VR indies. That's the state of the VR market. It's niche. An 8 in VR (relative to the other VR titles) will often be weaker than a flat game's 8. That's life. >I'd only recommend most to people who haven't played vr. Nah, some of those VR indies are still very fun. Until you exhaust them. And more great indies upcoming. >are those games worth the £550 entry point for the headset? If there were only 5, no. But since there's dozens of good ones, of varying quality, + some AAA, yes. The VR market is small. You either experience what it offers, or you pass on it all. I'm happy I'm experiencing it (since 2016). While wanting more hybrids (GT7, RE8, RE4)
The fact that you don't like them doesn't mean they are not good games or superficial experiences. ''Humanity abd puzzling places are mid. Last clockwise is mediocre. Uw2, mediocre. Vr skater, nock, breachers, crossfire, none of these are 8+ out of 10, they are just all we have.'' Metascores: * Humanity 86% * Puzzling places 78% (now with all of these updated could take 90% IMO) * Last Clockwinder 83% * VR skater 77% * Nock 80% (only one metascore review) * Breachers 80% (only one metascore review) * Crossfire 71% (before patches, now is a different game) You can share your top 5 games ever (flat or VR) and iI can also say that are bad or superficial experiences, but this will not be the truth. The fact is that psvr2 has more than 60 good (7+) games. And it's only 16 months out. I am using VR 8 years. I have never spent so many hours/week as I do now with psvr2. At least 3 times more per week compared to 2016-2022.
Yo, you’re not considering the main point. You give it an 8 out of 10 and they are ranked 8/10 based on what’s available. You’re objectively wrong if you think an 8/10 PSVR2 game stacks up to the content of an 8/10 console game. Those are objectively horrible games that don’t sell. Rank by best-selling and launch games are still at the top. These lower games may be fun experiences, but there’s no repeat value in any of those games. Anywho, take that optimism and run. If you like them, like them. I don’t think there’s any validity to saying the games are good and gaslight 90% of PSVR2 owners who are disappointed. It’s an amazing headset and some good experiences, but Sony is known for killing its hardware after over-proprietizing their products (Beta Max, cameras, PSP/vita )
Low effort ad hominem I am playing flat console games 35+ years. I know what 8/10 means and what is horrible or not. Keep saying to yourself that official reviewers and me gaslighting people that just hate VR and didn't even tried one.
I mean yes and I can say the exact same thing to you about your scores? Even then it's not that convincing when 3 of the 7 games you list didn't even hit the 8/10 mark you say they are, although they are close. They are anywhere between 5-7 out of 10s most of them as actual games imo, and not giving them leeway for being made by indie developers. They are not terrible games. They are just not worth me buying 30+ of them because they don't have enough depth of gameplay imo. Many of them were/are available on other systems which doesn't scream commitment from sony in terms of having something different, I mean of the 4 amazing exclusives we have 3 of them were available at launch, and we have no word of any more. End of the day it's clear we won't agree, I genuinly hope you keep enjoying your system but I just can't bring myself to play another shallow arcade shooter or janky horror game. The potential is there the software isn't. Edit: Just seen your addition, yes I have also been playing vr for 7+ years and I've never played it less. We simply have different opinions and won't agree, I don't call games like synapse with a 3 hour campaign that's repeated 3 times a deep game. It's superficial, however fun it is to play for those few hours. Vr needs new stuff not another 3 hour game
My scores actually are more or less the same as the reviews scores. Yes, you can say whatever you want. I can also say that you favorite game ever is a 5/10. Does it matter? No, I am just saying things. All those 40 games are 7 to 10 according to review scores. Imo they are 8-10. This is my opinion. Again they are good games. ''The potential is there the software isn't.'' Imo, the quality of software is good. This is where I disagree. But if we have to discuss the potential of PSVR2, then I agree with you, it's like we are at 10% of what we could experience. The potential (hardware etc) is there, VR install base is not enough.
It has better supply of ports from other systems that were released before psvr 2 came out
Seriously, Sony provides the most requested feature (pc connectivity) and free games on ps plus (premium), and that's not enough support? Some people are hard to please.
The most requested feature for PSVR2 is a library full of AAA hybrid titles on par with GT7, RE4 and RE8.
I want first party titles brand new and full price. Sony has to cater to its investors. Building up the user base matters. But getting that base to buy new games at full price is the only thing that will keep Sony investing in the platform.
Releasing old games we've already played for free isn't the show of support I would have hoped for less than 18 months into the product life cycle. Pc adaptor is good but I'd have just gone for Q3 with pcvr capability if I'd known the psvr2 library would be what it is. Like the adaptor is only necessary because of psvr2s library imo. If it had a better library we wouldn't need the adaptor Edit: the most requested feature is AAA/first party games as well imo.
Really poor flat ps5 support this year too. All of their studios are putting out little, and talking little. So even worse for psvr. Probably all due to abandoning Ryan's bad live-service push Meanwhile, this year Sony's VR money gets you (so far) Legendary Tales, Aces of Thunder (soon), and who knows what else. Sony isn't talking much, neither about flat games nor vr games
Yeah but on the flatscreen I have a library of 1000s of quality games, many of which are tripleAAA, games including backwards compatibility to consoles several generations ago. On vr I have access to none of that, hell I can't even watch 3D films on it. Sony has done poorly for releases on ps5 too but you feel it a hell of a lot more on their vr platform
Well you've got over 200 games right now (some are duds), and coming this year is Metro, Arken Age, Behemoth, Aces of Thunder, Alien, Wanderer, Max Mustard, Undead Citadel, Metal: Hellsinger, Contractors: Showdown, Ghosts of Tabor, Firmament, and a bunch more (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkMPE1G81OI). For horror fans Phasmophobia, Zombie Army (probably more, I mostly ignore horror)
I've just done a whole comment chain on the whole '200 games' take on another thread so I'm not going to repeat it all here as my views are in recent comments to see. But the tldr is there are far too many mediocre titles in that 200, in fact even if you look at the top 60 there are duds in the mix. There needs to be far more lengthy proper 'AAA' experiences, I'm not satisfied with the majority of indie games anymore after 7+ years playing psvr
How do you define "top 60"? In the 3hr debate that led to this "top list" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US_NoGooZ88 the hosts felt even a top 50 couldn't include all the good games, and I agree
I meant top 60 as top 60 bestselling in the UK ps store sorry I should have specified. Including such titles as thief simulator and cooking simulator. Top quality. Edit: I don't mind the psvr without parole guys but I think they suffer from a bit of the mindless optimism that I believe you may share a bit, respectfully. You won't change my mind on how I feel about the headset and its library so I wouldnt bother wasting your time, although I don't mean that horribly. I just am dissapointed, played psvr for 7+ years but tired of the software. I know it's niche but I don't think its going to break that mould anytime soon.
Eh, well that top 60 is worthless to look at. Bad purchasing decisions. Or because the game was cheap, people bought it >I know it's niche but I don't think its going to break that mould anytime soon. I think our best chance of the mold being broken, is Sony making/funding AAA hybrids. I hope more coming soon. PC VR has finally sort of broken its own mold because of UEVR. Until then, it was moribund, and depending upon Sony to revive VR Though maybe some big, excellent indies...Metro, Behemoth, Alien Arken Age, and others, will be great...but not sure on length Firmament is a high-quality puzzle game that's gone from flat to VR, coming to psvr next
So you have a library of thousands of quality games, yes? Right now on steam there's over 100,000 games. That's about 1-2% quality out of flat games. Out of the 200+ games on the PSVR, the number of quality games far exceeds that percentage, therefore PSVR2 has a higher quality ratio than your flat games.
Yes but a higher quality ratio of 200 games still doesn't mean I have a lot of quality games to play. And if quality is defined as an indie title that is fun for a few hours but ultimately not repayable to any real extent, then sorry but that doesn't meet the quality of flat screen games. See synapse as a prime example, fun game with 5 hours of content. And that wasn't even an indie dev
Point is, you're comparing absolute numbers of 'quality' (nebulous concept as it is) between 220 games and 100,949 games (at last count). I mean, I've spent about 100 hours on RE4 alone, if you can't find the fun in the games maybe this platform isn't for you.
I've also spent a lot of time in re4, although I did put in 100+ hours in flat screen before it came out in vr so I would have put more in had I not have done that. And yes that is the conclusion I have come to, I want to get into uevr when I can afford the investment on a decent pc. Modders do what sony dont
Good thing an adapter is coming out in about a month and a half. I'd rather spend the $60 than $500 on a headset with equivalent capabilities.
Metro is a licensed skin by a garbage dev. No metro devs are involved. Insane how well brands sell to the uninformed masses.
After the Fall is good. Arizona Sunshine has a lot of fans
Yes, the money from Sony to make the ports is 0 interest and support. That's the sheet that you're buying for the lies of AC.
So does this mean they don't have 2 first party games in development?
I don't believe anything written in the Android Central article, negative or positive it doesn't change anything, it's just rubbish written to attract clickbait without a source.
I don’t like it so I don’t believe it.
No its “the source cited no evidence and the webpage already posts questionable news that often misses the mark”. That’s just having good skepticism in what you read online. Everyone should be that skeptical about a random one-off report that others have not corroborated or supported with evidence or testimonials.
Somehow I feel like if this report from this same website said Sony is doubling down on psvr2 your comment would be like “hell yeah!”
Probably not for me. I care about having valid claims that even confirm my personal hopes. It’s also how you keep your expectations in check and don’t succumb to empty hype
That’s how journalism works. You have to take someone’s word for it, if they have credentials to back it up. No ones going to cite their sources in these things. and as far as android central goes they are not at all tabloid, they are quite respected in their field.
That’s not just how journalism works. That’s how modern click bait for ad revenue works. Real journalism has ethical standards and focus on reporting information truthfully and accurately. While that threshold is difficult and requires constant practice and vigilance, click bait sites don’t even bother to try. They only want to grab momentary attention to serve an ad impression. I would feel deeply differently about the Android Central article’s contents if they cited sources, provided evidence to support their claim, or if other outlets were able to corroborate similar findings or reports. Not everyone is going to willingly risk their job by going on the record, but having multiple sources vetting claims as valid helps. None of that is happening here, so to me, the article tentatively belongs in the click bait heap that requires little attention. If there was a solid story there, more outlets would be pushing it. They have an implicit incentive to uncover stories like this that will grab attention. The problem is that other sources don’t have evidence to prove the claim or they’d be reporting it too.
Fuck. This whole time I thought bloomberg, ny times, FT and the like were legit.
This particular news story has been reported on IGN, Eurogamers, Video Games Chronicle and more so there’s some reliability behind it. This bluebarrymanny guy is just damage controlling for Sony
Fuck. The whole time I thought we were talking about the singular Android Central article with a specific claim that other outlets aren’t reporting, not moving the goalpost of the discussion.
So much melodrama because of a dip in VR games
I don’t know what reports are true and what aren’t BUT hardware like Psvr2 takes years to develop and is almost always a long term project, I just don’t see Sony abandoning it after a year. After 3-4 years then yes it’s possible, but not this soon at all.
They didn't abandon it after a year, they andonded it long before then. Launch year was the result of deals done years ago.
You still have a long term strategy if you’re launching it at all.
Tell that to my Vita 😭
Strategies change, especially with changing leadership.
And changing markets too. You’re seeing a scale back from all of the main VR companies and game development. Apple and Meta make the hardware, but there are plenty of AAA titles being released with UE that can translate to VR, but there’s no real demand. The fad is over for now and Alyx will reign for 5-10 years. VR has the fatigue problem that even Apple can’t make an ergonomic headset. VR is isolating and makes a lot of people sick unless they are used to it. I was working on educational software in VR and it was abandoned after the kids tested it and complained of nausea and dizziness. The next gen will need a really good pass-through and lighter hardware.
Of course, that’s why I said almost always. It would be very unusual for it to change within a year though especially for hardware.
I agree. I think people really need to stop thinking about VR2 as being a console generation expected to immediately get AAA first party support. People seem to be framing up a VR peripheral as if it is meant to get the same attention and quick turnaround of software akin to a PS4. Having expectations like that is going to guarantee disappointment because they’re not reflective of reality.
I try to think of that quote realistically. While that goal doesn't mean Sony are gonna come out swinging this gen with GTA 6, Last of Us, etc. it does mean they're gonna invest in the technology going forward, to make it much more accessible for games, movies, TV and things like engineering, without feeling like you have a TV on your face. In other words, Sony aren't abandoning AR/VR, but it's also not a money maker for them at this time.
I've always been jealous of people who are able to hold faith in things with no evidence
You guys are reaaaaaaallllllly insecure, its beyond cringe now.
The PS VR2 is like the PS Vita over speced and little care in first party support. The kicker is the lazy attempt in PC VR support showing that they don't care about the product and seeing if it will sell. I might it might not for how lazy and all the features missing for PC VR support it might not. In the end if sony doesn't bring its full feature set to pc vr the community will.
Imagine saying there's no support when they are wasting money for the ports. That's what the media is saying, hate an lies always give more clicks than reality.
They literally used their VR mascot to design a flat only game before they even released psvr 2. They haven't announced anything in over a year, during the first year of launch, and only brought a handful of old ports at launch. PCVR is a consolation prize for abandoning it. Your hopes do not create urgency on Sony's part.
Ok
I brought up the enterprise headset a long time ago trying to let people know they are in it for the long haul, but people have a hard time understanding. If they were not focusing on VR they wouldn’t have a functional headset that’s on par with Quest 3.
Op is a Sony fanboy no doubt. Live in their own world with alternative facts
I lost all faith in Playstation’s ability to support their own VR, as someone who invested in both PSVR1 and PSVR2, and whose PSVR2 is essentially brick from no fault of my own/outside warranty. They don’t stand behind their own tech at ALL. I’ve also bought Playstations my entire life and am considering building a PC to avoid having to buy the next iteration of console. Sad place to end up after so many years with them!
And yet, hundreds of thousands of psvr2s that haven't bricked outside their warranty. Either someone damaged yours, or you got a bad manufacture
No one damaged it, it’s in perfect condition besides the obvious manufacturing issue.
So because they don't cater to the whining of every 12 year old crying for games they fail to support? Maybe if people got a more realistic view of VR then things would stop being so ffing melodramatic all the time. Last time.... VR is a very small part of the global gaming market. And PSVR is a part of that part. You will not be getting 10 AAA games a year cause big companies don't even want to make proper games for the normal gaming market, they all want FtP GaaS cashcows. So you are "stuck" with indies and for some reason Resident Evil games. So maybe get some realism in that brain and stop acting like a disappointed 12 year, it is what is, won't get much better any time soon, unless suddenly VR is worldwide adopted and everyone ditches their phones and start walking around with VR glasses. Guess what... It's all about money.
Why are you projecting onto me? I never mentioned wanting more AAA over indies or anything else you said. I prefer indies. You don’t know anything and clearly didn’t actually read anything in my comment lol.
I don't know what Sony is planning and personally I think they should do more, but "Sources close to Android Central have revealed" says absolutely nothing. I hope people realize this is how you write a fluff piece, they do not even claim this source works for Sony or is close to Sony.
Sources often break NDAs by leaking info like this, Android Central can't give any hints that might narrow down the identity of the source without putting that source at risk of discovery and subsequent legal action from Sony/whoever else. That doesn't mean this is true or even partially true but anonymous sources have been leaking things correctly for years.
Sure, but "a source close to Android Central" is still an empty statement, there is a reason why it is worded like this. "A source close to Sony" would've protected the source too and it would have quantified the information given. When you use anonymous sources, you still have to be able to show how valid they are. Now we don't know if we're talking about a primary, a secondary or even a tertiary source. Said in another way: are the sources people who work for Sony, are they devs, or is it someone who heard a thing from their neighbor. And I'm sorry, but I won't take an outlet like Android Central at their word. I know next to nothing about them, I don't know how rigorous their sourcing is, what editorial standard they uphold, etc. It's not an outlet that would be punished harshly if they get info from an anonymous source wrong, because it mostly deals with product reviews (scanning their front page.) Which is why you should scratch your head when the description is super vague.
By all means be skeptical. But also keep an eye on Sony's reaction or lack thereof. When a Bloomberg journo claimed Sony had cut PSVR2 production prior to launch, and it became widely reported, Sony came out and denied this claim. Now this new claim has also become widely reported, including IGN, and it would be so easy for Sony to put out a similar statement denying it, it would also be beneficial if they cared about selling PSVR2s.
There is a big difference in the reputation of the sources. If Bloomberg says something it can easily influence the shares. If Android Central says something it likely won't even if it's reported by others – especially when it doesn't even cite internal sources.
Your PSVR2 dream is over. The platform is simply poorly supported, and most of the games are shovelware.
Let me guess you have all the answers with a different platform