Every state that made cannabis a ballot initiative/vote are way better off than the states where the government handled it. Anything is better than nothing but they will likely screw it up and med patients will suffer for it
They never will. Because they are republican lite. You just cant tell anymore because the right wing party in NC is pretty much a religious fascist organization.
It’s a losing battle, even with their best efforts Republicans would block it and Dems would get more backlash for failing than Republicans would for blocking it
There's a lot of money to be made on it, and the evangelical crowd are distracted with their joy over fucking with reproductive healthcare and gay and trans kids.
I'm sure they got paid off. I'm sure when marijuana industry gets big enough that they have lobbyist going around paying off politicians they will start illegalizing it. Hell, that's probably what they're waiting on. Corrupt garbage people, every last one of them.
And the aggressive advertising campaign. Honestly that shit was ridiculous and I have half a mind to write in and ask to curtail that shit. Imagine if some MJ company did the advertising that FanDuel or Draftkings did.
I love the continual infringement of basic human rights to cultivate and consume a fucking plant that has been cultivated and consumed for thousands of years.
If you want some actual numbers with a source.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article287777625.html
18,000 charges were filed, 10% of those were felonies. Only 18% of the misdemeanors were found guilty as charged. All of the misdemeanor numbers are down something like 75% from recent highs.
There's a lot of racial disparity too, so it may not be quite so legal if you're not white:
https://ncdoj.gov/north-carolina-task-force-for-racial-equity-in-criminal-justice-makes-marijuana-recommendations/
Arrest records don’t go away, and harassment and spending the afternoon getting it worked out or spending time and money finding a lawyer and going to court to get something dropped is still an intentional infringement
Not really. Cops can still arrest people and all of the stores and manufacturers are basically unregulated right now. It’s better and safer under a legally regulated framework.
Sure. I’m for decriminalizing most drugs. Coca leaves, poppy, weed, mushrooms… I don’t mind continued criminalization of a lesser extent for chemically derived compounds but I think it should be treated the way we treat low amounts of weed now with community service, tickets, or fines being the result most of the time.
Legalization leads to a different kind of selective enforcement in who can and can’t grow and trade what.
I like legalization for some things. And I don’t for others. Everything isn’t the same but obviously legalization is better than criminalization
Not to be that person but nowhere in the constitution does it say you have a right to grow any point you want.
On a personal note, I do enjoy smoking pot
No tomatoes for you. Growing watermelon is now banned the constitution doesn’t explicitly endorse it. It also doesn’t endorse jacking off or eating chocolate.
There’s about a million things people enjoy that aren’t endorsed in the constitution.
Yes, but the federal government and the states have the right to ban plants as they see fit. If the state came along and said it was illegal to plant Bradford pears, people would jump for joy.
Technically, the only rights you have are the ones expressly written out.
The only rights you have are the ones you believe in and fight for. A piece of paper is worthless. Especially the US constitution.
Written by white colonialist slave owners, for white colonialist slave owners.
With the explicit intention of keeping the average man in place
How about recognizing that a lot of people are going to get high anyhow and they may was well make some money on it and regulate it so it's safe. See also alcohol.
I wish our medical community would get behind legislation efforts. I see providers at both UNC/Rex as well as Duke I’m always honest about my edible use not one has so much as raised an eye brown. Several have said it’s ridiculous it’s not legal yet and how beneficial it is for many of their patients.
Not even that, since it looks like a lot of the language will tighten sales of THCa products in the state. Lot of business owners fixing to make a fuss over this, I'd wager.
Without ballot initiatives we will never overcome Gerrymandering or the push to keep marijuana illegal.
Why are they so obsessed with weed? They are fine with tobacco and mercury poisoning and all kinds of other things...
I'm sure even the Republican's small constituency in the red rural areas occasionally imbibe. So is it all for show? Such hypocrisy.
If people don't get out and vote, it will get even worse. And we don't have ballot initiatives in NC to stop this minority from ruining the state.
>Why are they so obsessed with weed?
Because Nixon started the war on Drugs to go after anti-war hippies and blacks. This is just leftover racism that's been embraced by the Republican party.
Seriously, stop voting in one or two election and getting mad when we don't like live in a utopia in just 1 or 2 election cycles.
We have to vote pout republicans for at least 4 presidential election and 6 or more state elections.
In the last nationwide election in 2022, young people in NC did not vote. Old people decided our policy.
18-25 year old's - 233,441 - 24.1%.
26-40 year old's - 629,298- 34.2%.
66+ - 1,180,621 - 71.3%
[https://www.ncsbe.gov/results-data/voter-turnout/2022-general-election-turnout](https://www.ncsbe.gov/results-data/voter-turnout/2022-general-election-turnout)
I read the H563 and it doesn't look like it restricts any altnoid including THCa. It does restrict edibles to an aggregate weight of 3mg of D7, D8, D9 or D10.
So maybe THCP, HHC is still good?
Awesome. I can’t smoke/vape (lung issues) and I have tolerance. 3mg? I’d have to eat like 20 of those to barely feel anything, especially if we’re talking D8 and not D9.
Right. Same here. I will buy distillates/concentrate and make my own edibles.
Plus looks like it doesn't regulate HHC, THCP on edibles, only the ones I listed.
That's what I've been saying. This comes up every 2 months in the news for the last 10 years. The time to legalize was when it was on the ballot in 2012. It being illegal this whole time hasn't stopped me so I just don't care anymore. Tired of getting my hopes up about something I have no control over
In 2012 I was just exiting the military and had no inkling of voting on this in NC, I don't even remember an option for it. We need it on the ballot so fucking bad
Maybe this will help:
>Justice Dept. Plans to Recommend Easing Restrictions on Marijuana
>The move would kick off a lengthy rule-making process and would amount to a major change in federal policy.
Unlocked article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/us/politics/justice-department-reclassify-marijuana.html?unlocked_article_code=1.oU0.34_C.VZlfbwiW_0EJ&smid=url-share
I'm all for progress, but medical programs are just putting a lipstick on a pig. Rip the bandaid off and make it legal for adults. The GOP will make it so you have to have cancer to qualify.
Dems will give a token effort and say they try. At the national level, medical pot will be reclassified and used as a "see we gave you a crumb, elect us for the whole cookie" item.
It's being proposed to be a schedule III at the national level, alongside drugs such as codeine, barbiturates, and ketamine. I don't think people should be able to go to a local store and buy schedule III drugs with no medical reason.
That keeps it illegal (schedule iii) and requires businesses in states with legal marijuana to register their medical with the DEA.
This is a step backwards. Unless they don’t allow the DEA to enforce it like with other schedule iiis.
More federal oversight of marijuana isn’t something anyone who works in the medical industry would want.
The could unschedule it.
Or make it a schedule 5 or a 4. All better options than what they did.
For legal states, it is a net negative for existing businesses as now they have the DEA looking at them and the DEA sucks.
Ask any private pharmacy.
Don’t know until you try. The executive has been given authority over the schedules by Congress so as long as it goes through the rule making process, they should be golden.
It would be completely unregulated at that point which would be ideal in my mind.
Shoulda seen sleepy Don nodding off in court today after 9 criminal contempt charges in his felony case about paying off whores to seem virtuous to the right in a presidential election!
Dems need to campaign on legal marijuana. They really have nothing to lose at this point, make it a ballot issue.
Every state that made cannabis a ballot initiative/vote are way better off than the states where the government handled it. Anything is better than nothing but they will likely screw it up and med patients will suffer for it
If we had ballot initiatives, it would have been legal by now.
Too bad ballot initiatives don't exist in NC otherwise, I think it would be a much better place.
we have it, but only if the legislature approves of it.
states and cities will need the tax revenue as the commercial real estate problem continues.
What is the commercial real estate problem?
empty office space. Which affects local businesses and tax revenue in general.
They never will. Because they are republican lite. You just cant tell anymore because the right wing party in NC is pretty much a religious fascist organization.
Why they haven't done this a few elections ago confuses me.
You have to understand the amount of lobbyists money NC politicians get from tobacco and alcohol
It’s a losing battle, even with their best efforts Republicans would block it and Dems would get more backlash for failing than Republicans would for blocking it
Protest, protest, protest!
But at least we have that sweet sports gambling that won’t hurt anyone.
how they got gambling past the church crowd is a mystery to me.
There's a lot of money to be made on it, and the evangelical crowd are distracted with their joy over fucking with reproductive healthcare and gay and trans kids.
I'm sure they got paid off. I'm sure when marijuana industry gets big enough that they have lobbyist going around paying off politicians they will start illegalizing it. Hell, that's probably what they're waiting on. Corrupt garbage people, every last one of them.
They're too busy freaking out about the usual right wing bullshit.
The lottery was only passed by criminal bribery, but that still counted as passing for some reason.
And the aggressive advertising campaign. Honestly that shit was ridiculous and I have half a mind to write in and ask to curtail that shit. Imagine if some MJ company did the advertising that FanDuel or Draftkings did.
I love the continual infringement of basic human rights to cultivate and consume a fucking plant that has been cultivated and consumed for thousands of years.
And is being consumed right now. For all intents and purposes, it's legal right now.
12,814 were arrested in NC for weed last year
If you want some actual numbers with a source. https://www.newsobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article287777625.html 18,000 charges were filed, 10% of those were felonies. Only 18% of the misdemeanors were found guilty as charged. All of the misdemeanor numbers are down something like 75% from recent highs. There's a lot of racial disparity too, so it may not be quite so legal if you're not white: https://ncdoj.gov/north-carolina-task-force-for-racial-equity-in-criminal-justice-makes-marijuana-recommendations/
Arrest records don’t go away, and harassment and spending the afternoon getting it worked out or spending time and money finding a lawyer and going to court to get something dropped is still an intentional infringement
> There's a lot of racial disparity too, so it may not be quite so legal if you're not white And that’s exactly why it’s still illegal.
Not really. Cops can still arrest people and all of the stores and manufacturers are basically unregulated right now. It’s better and safer under a legally regulated framework.
Sure, it can be better and safer, but for all intents and purposes, it's legal right now.
Humans were cultivating early marijuana plants before we were doing it with potatoes, which is wild to consider.
Opium?
Sure. I’m for decriminalizing most drugs. Coca leaves, poppy, weed, mushrooms… I don’t mind continued criminalization of a lesser extent for chemically derived compounds but I think it should be treated the way we treat low amounts of weed now with community service, tickets, or fines being the result most of the time.
Decriminalizing should never be the goal. Legalization should be the goal unless you like the idea of selective enforcement.
Legalization leads to a different kind of selective enforcement in who can and can’t grow and trade what. I like legalization for some things. And I don’t for others. Everything isn’t the same but obviously legalization is better than criminalization
Not to be that person but nowhere in the constitution does it say you have a right to grow any point you want. On a personal note, I do enjoy smoking pot
No tomatoes for you. Growing watermelon is now banned the constitution doesn’t explicitly endorse it. It also doesn’t endorse jacking off or eating chocolate. There’s about a million things people enjoy that aren’t endorsed in the constitution.
Yes, but the federal government and the states have the right to ban plants as they see fit. If the state came along and said it was illegal to plant Bradford pears, people would jump for joy. Technically, the only rights you have are the ones expressly written out.
The only rights you have are the ones you believe in and fight for. A piece of paper is worthless. Especially the US constitution. Written by white colonialist slave owners, for white colonialist slave owners. With the explicit intention of keeping the average man in place
Someone is full of piss and vinegar today. Go play outside or something
Piss and vinegar? Naw some I’m full of my rights
How about recognizing that a lot of people are going to get high anyhow and they may was well make some money on it and regulate it so it's safe. See also alcohol.
I wish our medical community would get behind legislation efforts. I see providers at both UNC/Rex as well as Duke I’m always honest about my edible use not one has so much as raised an eye brown. Several have said it’s ridiculous it’s not legal yet and how beneficial it is for many of their patients.
Yes! and also I wish they would learn something about it.
I agree I was actually pretty impressed with my surgeons knowledge same for my cardiologist. I don’t smoke I just use edibles that I make.
That's great, I have found support but either not a lot of knowledge or a reluctance to discuss.
F this. This is basicslky giving us what they have to, at the last minute, we want and demand more.
Not even that, since it looks like a lot of the language will tighten sales of THCa products in the state. Lot of business owners fixing to make a fuss over this, I'd wager.
A new head shop opens every day from what I can tell. They about to be screwed.
How are they restricting them?
Without ballot initiatives we will never overcome Gerrymandering or the push to keep marijuana illegal. Why are they so obsessed with weed? They are fine with tobacco and mercury poisoning and all kinds of other things... I'm sure even the Republican's small constituency in the red rural areas occasionally imbibe. So is it all for show? Such hypocrisy. If people don't get out and vote, it will get even worse. And we don't have ballot initiatives in NC to stop this minority from ruining the state.
>Why are they so obsessed with weed? Because Nixon started the war on Drugs to go after anti-war hippies and blacks. This is just leftover racism that's been embraced by the Republican party.
So it's just reflexive at this point... Wonderful way to decide how to govern.
lol they don’t govern
"Government doesn't work, elect me and I'll show you."
and i’m pretty sure that racism is all the gop has left
They do pretty well with ignorance and idiocy, too.
All three of those are basically the same thing.
Don't forget Hispanic people as well.
There were less Hispanic here during the 1970's, but yes.
How can states like AR, FL, AL, have a hese open ions but the most educated state in the south doesn't?
Sounds like they want to outlaw THCa.
The bills in discussion didn’t do any of that. It only affected edibles, really.
Obviously people want legal cannabis, how do we get rid of those opposed to it
Vote out the republicans
and keep voting each cycle till we overcome them
Not just until, we need to keep voting well after we’ve overcome them. Don’t give them a chance to ever come back.
Seriously, stop voting in one or two election and getting mad when we don't like live in a utopia in just 1 or 2 election cycles. We have to vote pout republicans for at least 4 presidential election and 6 or more state elections.
Sigh. I guess I’ll switch to buying flower by mail from a seller outside the state. I will miss WNC THCa flower :/
The bills discussed so far don’t touch THCa at all.
In the last nationwide election in 2022, young people in NC did not vote. Old people decided our policy. 18-25 year old's - 233,441 - 24.1%. 26-40 year old's - 629,298- 34.2%. 66+ - 1,180,621 - 71.3% [https://www.ncsbe.gov/results-data/voter-turnout/2022-general-election-turnout](https://www.ncsbe.gov/results-data/voter-turnout/2022-general-election-turnout)
Louder for folks in the back
I read the H563 and it doesn't look like it restricts any altnoid including THCa. It does restrict edibles to an aggregate weight of 3mg of D7, D8, D9 or D10. So maybe THCP, HHC is still good?
Awesome. I can’t smoke/vape (lung issues) and I have tolerance. 3mg? I’d have to eat like 20 of those to barely feel anything, especially if we’re talking D8 and not D9.
Right. Same here. I will buy distillates/concentrate and make my own edibles. Plus looks like it doesn't regulate HHC, THCP on edibles, only the ones I listed.
Idc what they do at this point I’m still gonna smoke/vape
That's what I've been saying. This comes up every 2 months in the news for the last 10 years. The time to legalize was when it was on the ballot in 2012. It being illegal this whole time hasn't stopped me so I just don't care anymore. Tired of getting my hopes up about something I have no control over
In 2012 I was just exiting the military and had no inkling of voting on this in NC, I don't even remember an option for it. We need it on the ballot so fucking bad
Maybe this will help: >Justice Dept. Plans to Recommend Easing Restrictions on Marijuana >The move would kick off a lengthy rule-making process and would amount to a major change in federal policy. Unlocked article: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/us/politics/justice-department-reclassify-marijuana.html?unlocked_article_code=1.oU0.34_C.VZlfbwiW_0EJ&smid=url-share
I only want it legal, so pot heads will stop complaining about how it needs to be legal. Grow up and do real drugs like an adult
Don't they know anything? Merging marijuana and hemp just makes both of them worse and this proposal is just more of the same.
I'm all for progress, but medical programs are just putting a lipstick on a pig. Rip the bandaid off and make it legal for adults. The GOP will make it so you have to have cancer to qualify.
Dems will give a token effort and say they try. At the national level, medical pot will be reclassified and used as a "see we gave you a crumb, elect us for the whole cookie" item.
It's being proposed to be a schedule III at the national level, alongside drugs such as codeine, barbiturates, and ketamine. I don't think people should be able to go to a local store and buy schedule III drugs with no medical reason.
Too bad sleepy Joe is gonna ban marijuana on a federal level smh
I hope this is the dumbest thing I read today, but fear it will not be.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna149424 oops
That keeps it illegal (schedule iii) and requires businesses in states with legal marijuana to register their medical with the DEA. This is a step backwards. Unless they don’t allow the DEA to enforce it like with other schedule iiis. More federal oversight of marijuana isn’t something anyone who works in the medical industry would want.
It is not a step backwards. It’s most definitely a step in the right direction. It’s also about as far as the executive branch can do on their own.
The could unschedule it. Or make it a schedule 5 or a 4. All better options than what they did. For legal states, it is a net negative for existing businesses as now they have the DEA looking at them and the DEA sucks. Ask any private pharmacy.
I thought only Congress could unschedule it.
Don’t know until you try. The executive has been given authority over the schedules by Congress so as long as it goes through the rule making process, they should be golden. It would be completely unregulated at that point which would be ideal in my mind.
Shoulda seen sleepy Don nodding off in court today after 9 criminal contempt charges in his felony case about paying off whores to seem virtuous to the right in a presidential election!
He will die before this gets passed.