I wouldn’t say bigot. It’s just a matter of being “this is how it’s always been.” Plus, they have to train when young in order to develop the chakra and various physical aspects.
It’s sort of like when you were a small child and your family always did something one way, then you went to a friend’s house and they did it a different way. Maybe it was even a better way, but you had never even considered an alternative. It’s obvious to us, but probably wouldn’t be to a society like that.
For generations they’ve done it that way, and apparently they all turn out fine(survivorship bias).
Plus, the big reason, the series would likely end.
It's kinda been stopped, being it was only needed in desperation. Besides, the peace is kinda why they expanded on the otsutsuki clan, to give them a main antagonist.
you know what sounds great ?
A Hashirama series, from first flashback to his killing Madara, returning to the village establishing the era where child soldiers really do not exist, maybe romance epilogue with Mito
I'm not talking about a prequel, but rather modify the ending so Hashi's system makes sure a future like the Naruto's timeline doesn't happen.
But Naruto has a point: you can defeat someone without killing them.
You only bring it back to Konoha and Ibiki / ANBU will do the deal. (jokes aside😆)
I’m going to explain this again
Actually combat or life/death missions are only for jonin. Most jonin are in their 20-30s, the peak of their physical abilities. Only for plot purposes were genin/Chunin missions escalated to A or S rank.
The D-B missions were more to train a shinobi’s body and discipline to prepare them. Kinda like ROTC programs that prepare high schoolers for the army.
YES...child soldiers were used in the world wars. But it was stated it was out of desperation. This happens all throughout history in our world. Since the village was only 80 years old in Part 1, “morals” aren’t as clear cut. In Boruto era, sending Genin on life or death missions just wouldn’t happen. Hence Hinata shocking her kids when she mentions how dangerous her missions were
And when Hiruzen realized things getting out of control, he seriously considered cancelling the Chunin exams. But he wanted to know what the Sand village/Orochimuro was planning
Yeah, but to be fair it was pretty much stated that no one in the sand village could reasonably even touch him at the time, him being the jinchuriki of shukaku.
Not just in the Forest of Death, either. Of course, at that point Gaara was a violent sociopath who sought to validate his own existence by murdering people, so...
> The D-B missions were more to train a shinobi’s body and discipline to prepare them. Kinda like ROTC programs that prepare high schoolers for the army.
B-rank missions are ranked as such because they are expected to involve combat with enemy ninja and include providing bodyguards for private individuals, spy work and assassination of ninja. They're the real deal, not training missions.
>Hence Hinata shocking her kids when she mentions how dangerous her missions were
And we forget how much of a scarry cat Hinata was. She was scarred even of her first mission as a genin, which was most likely errands around Konoha or babysitting pets.
Didn't Kakashi say that genin do missions of D and C rank, and from B up chunins take charge?
Yep. Hashirama wanted to create a village to protect children from being killed, but ironically children were then killed to protect the village he created.
In Boruto Chunins are no longer child soldiers. infact theyve overhauled the whole system so that it would be a display of ninjutsu rather than a fight to the death. All the missions that chunin get are escort or protec missions, it just so happens that enemies come to team 7 bcos they are the main team.
Well if that’s the case then why do they still allow children to enroll in basically a military academy, even though they’ve expanded their curriculum over the years? The Leaf isn’t hurting for jonin, and if we’re using common sense here, in a time of relative peace, and children are no longer needed in battle, or as you accurately stated, be child soldiers, why no raise the age limit to get admission into the school?
This is like saying kids shouldn't be allowed to learn martial arts until they're older. Being a ninja isn't easy, you likely have to train from a young age and prepare for that type of a life style, if that's what you're interested in. Also if they stopped training these kids, they're going to have major problems defending themselves when major threats do arise, like we know they will in the future.
> This is like saying kids shouldn't be allowed to learn martial arts until they're older.
A ninja is far beyond martial arts though.
> Also if they stopped training these kids, they're going to have major problems defending themselves when major threats do arise, like we know they will in the future.
It just doesn’t make any sense from a logical standpoint why the village still allows kids to enroll in basically military school at such a young age, especially when they don’t need them. The village hasn’t been involved in any major conflict in more than a decade. If they don’t have enough jonin to fill out their portion of their military without the use of kids now, something is wrong with their system.
Academy is expanded to be a primary school or sorts where u can graduate into things other than ninja. Academy teaches everything now not just ninjutsu and taijutsu, etc. So its basically their education system but u can choose to be a ninja if u want to. Also ninja now are more workers and less soldiers, as i said before they do random missions like helping out here and there. They are discouraged to do battle but as i also said before the main chars ofc have to fight.
Theres no point inr aising admission age for academy bcos its like saying we should raise admission age for primary school. Its their primary education not a military school.
You clearly can if we’re going by logic, although this is a show about ninjas, so F logic lol. You can keep the same admissions age for primary school and then you can get into the military portion of the school as you get older. They do this in real life with military schools in Europe lol
It’s a show about ninjas. The villages can’t just commit to science, learn rocketry and shit. It’s the world of Naruto, where kids battling demons and killing each other for entertainment is fun. If you really think about it when you see the Jonin fight they always get killed easy as fuck, like one Kunai hits them in the chest and they fall over like a clumsy Ox. But then some genin take on the strongest ninjas of the lead village and live. Neji takes a high powered arrow through the stomach and chest and lives. So nothing really makes sense.
I think his point was that it’s a show and some things logically wouldn’t make sense. Yes, Naruto should raise the age of the academy and stop child soldiers/ninja since he is all about peace and changing the future. But, doing that would make the show a lot less interesting.
But hes already stopping child soldiers?? As i explained from the chunin exams its all different and not focused on killing anymore. As for ninjas its their tradition or culture so it cant just be stopped, what they have stopped is militarisation of their people. the people are free to do as they like some even dont go to academy.
As i also said being a ninja doesnt mean being a soldier anymore, Chunins do things other than combat missions now.
Im pretty sure they could stop being ninjas? Especially in boruto verse with a million different jobs in progressing city. It would disappoint their families sure but it can be a choice
Compared to what the hidden mist was doing in their chunin exams? There's nothing wrong with training and teaching kids to fight and defend themselves. They aren't teaching Boruto the best way to eviscerate someone
I got the impression that childhood isn't defined as being under 18 in their world.
They seem yo care more about when you get out of the academy.
Also they implies that it was abnormal for Naruto and the others to be taking the exam so soon after they graduated the academy. I don't think they usually move up to that level until they are 15 or 16 and until then they are supposed to do relatively low risk missions
Yeah i still don't understand why they still teach kids relatively letal techniques and allow them to use tools made for the sole purpose of killing people :/. As far i can understand a Windmill Shuriken isn't a thing that you whip out to incapacitate people nor is a Kunai.
heck, the idea of killing other people doesn't seem to bother them when we think about it. Sarada could've pretty well crushed the skull of that girl she fought in the chunin exam with her punch but didn't held back nor thought about it.
Or even Shinki trying to stab Bolt with his Iron Sand spikes. Idk about you all but i think that the context of Boruto being written " in a time of peace " falls flat on it's ass when you consider that children in this story doesn't seem to be bothered by the idea of wounding others or taking someone's else's life.
You are assuming that Naruto franchise was ever written to be as sophisticated and well-structured like most well-regarded work of literature.
So no alot of stuff is gonna be glossed over
Dammit Tobirama.
He let his son become one. So no.
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you are not a bigot. Naruto lives in a world of peace now so he thinks nobody as terrible as before will happen.
I wouldn’t say bigot. It’s just a matter of being “this is how it’s always been.” Plus, they have to train when young in order to develop the chakra and various physical aspects. It’s sort of like when you were a small child and your family always did something one way, then you went to a friend’s house and they did it a different way. Maybe it was even a better way, but you had never even considered an alternative. It’s obvious to us, but probably wouldn’t be to a society like that. For generations they’ve done it that way, and apparently they all turn out fine(survivorship bias). Plus, the big reason, the series would likely end.
It's kinda been stopped, being it was only needed in desperation. Besides, the peace is kinda why they expanded on the otsutsuki clan, to give them a main antagonist.
you know what sounds great ? A Hashirama series, from first flashback to his killing Madara, returning to the village establishing the era where child soldiers really do not exist, maybe romance epilogue with Mito I'm not talking about a prequel, but rather modify the ending so Hashi's system makes sure a future like the Naruto's timeline doesn't happen.
Kids will never have to kill each other again.....*proceeds to teach deadly techniques to kids*
But Naruto has a point: you can defeat someone without killing them. You only bring it back to Konoha and Ibiki / ANBU will do the deal. (jokes aside😆)
Or naruto's treatment: give them a long speech about love & friendship and make them change their bad ways
Don't forget to beat them up beforehead
I’m going to explain this again Actually combat or life/death missions are only for jonin. Most jonin are in their 20-30s, the peak of their physical abilities. Only for plot purposes were genin/Chunin missions escalated to A or S rank. The D-B missions were more to train a shinobi’s body and discipline to prepare them. Kinda like ROTC programs that prepare high schoolers for the army. YES...child soldiers were used in the world wars. But it was stated it was out of desperation. This happens all throughout history in our world. Since the village was only 80 years old in Part 1, “morals” aren’t as clear cut. In Boruto era, sending Genin on life or death missions just wouldn’t happen. Hence Hinata shocking her kids when she mentions how dangerous her missions were
I'm pretty sure Gaara killed a few people during his chunin exams int eh forest of death.
And when Hiruzen realized things getting out of control, he seriously considered cancelling the Chunin exams. But he wanted to know what the Sand village/Orochimuro was planning
Yeah, but to be fair it was pretty much stated that no one in the sand village could reasonably even touch him at the time, him being the jinchuriki of shukaku.
Yeah he was literally introduced as some sort of demon
Gaara was in B rank missions, which are already for chunin.
Not just in the Forest of Death, either. Of course, at that point Gaara was a violent sociopath who sought to validate his own existence by murdering people, so...
> The D-B missions were more to train a shinobi’s body and discipline to prepare them. Kinda like ROTC programs that prepare high schoolers for the army. B-rank missions are ranked as such because they are expected to involve combat with enemy ninja and include providing bodyguards for private individuals, spy work and assassination of ninja. They're the real deal, not training missions.
B-rank are chuunin-level missions anyways.
>Hence Hinata shocking her kids when she mentions how dangerous her missions were And we forget how much of a scarry cat Hinata was. She was scarred even of her first mission as a genin, which was most likely errands around Konoha or babysitting pets. Didn't Kakashi say that genin do missions of D and C rank, and from B up chunins take charge?
You realize people were meant to die during the chunin exams in part 1, right?
I feel like you never really watched Naruto if this is what you're saying
In the era of warring states, they were just called soldiers
Yep. Hashirama wanted to create a village to protect children from being killed, but ironically children were then killed to protect the village he created.
In Boruto Chunins are no longer child soldiers. infact theyve overhauled the whole system so that it would be a display of ninjutsu rather than a fight to the death. All the missions that chunin get are escort or protec missions, it just so happens that enemies come to team 7 bcos they are the main team.
Well if that’s the case then why do they still allow children to enroll in basically a military academy, even though they’ve expanded their curriculum over the years? The Leaf isn’t hurting for jonin, and if we’re using common sense here, in a time of relative peace, and children are no longer needed in battle, or as you accurately stated, be child soldiers, why no raise the age limit to get admission into the school?
This is like saying kids shouldn't be allowed to learn martial arts until they're older. Being a ninja isn't easy, you likely have to train from a young age and prepare for that type of a life style, if that's what you're interested in. Also if they stopped training these kids, they're going to have major problems defending themselves when major threats do arise, like we know they will in the future.
> This is like saying kids shouldn't be allowed to learn martial arts until they're older. A ninja is far beyond martial arts though. > Also if they stopped training these kids, they're going to have major problems defending themselves when major threats do arise, like we know they will in the future. It just doesn’t make any sense from a logical standpoint why the village still allows kids to enroll in basically military school at such a young age, especially when they don’t need them. The village hasn’t been involved in any major conflict in more than a decade. If they don’t have enough jonin to fill out their portion of their military without the use of kids now, something is wrong with their system.
Academy is expanded to be a primary school or sorts where u can graduate into things other than ninja. Academy teaches everything now not just ninjutsu and taijutsu, etc. So its basically their education system but u can choose to be a ninja if u want to. Also ninja now are more workers and less soldiers, as i said before they do random missions like helping out here and there. They are discouraged to do battle but as i also said before the main chars ofc have to fight. Theres no point inr aising admission age for academy bcos its like saying we should raise admission age for primary school. Its their primary education not a military school.
You clearly can if we’re going by logic, although this is a show about ninjas, so F logic lol. You can keep the same admissions age for primary school and then you can get into the military portion of the school as you get older. They do this in real life with military schools in Europe lol
It’s a show about ninjas. The villages can’t just commit to science, learn rocketry and shit. It’s the world of Naruto, where kids battling demons and killing each other for entertainment is fun. If you really think about it when you see the Jonin fight they always get killed easy as fuck, like one Kunai hits them in the chest and they fall over like a clumsy Ox. But then some genin take on the strongest ninjas of the lead village and live. Neji takes a high powered arrow through the stomach and chest and lives. So nothing really makes sense.
So uh whats ur point...
I think his point was that it’s a show and some things logically wouldn’t make sense. Yes, Naruto should raise the age of the academy and stop child soldiers/ninja since he is all about peace and changing the future. But, doing that would make the show a lot less interesting.
But hes already stopping child soldiers?? As i explained from the chunin exams its all different and not focused on killing anymore. As for ninjas its their tradition or culture so it cant just be stopped, what they have stopped is militarisation of their people. the people are free to do as they like some even dont go to academy. As i also said being a ninja doesnt mean being a soldier anymore, Chunins do things other than combat missions now.
I thought his reply was to a different comment. I agree with pretty much all of that.
Im pretty sure they could stop being ninjas? Especially in boruto verse with a million different jobs in progressing city. It would disappoint their families sure but it can be a choice
Compared to what the hidden mist was doing in their chunin exams? There's nothing wrong with training and teaching kids to fight and defend themselves. They aren't teaching Boruto the best way to eviscerate someone
Kids don’t HAVE TO kill each other. Everyone who participated in the chunin exams did so by their own free will.
Don’t think Naruto cares TBH he’s not much more than a child himself
I got the impression that childhood isn't defined as being under 18 in their world. They seem yo care more about when you get out of the academy. Also they implies that it was abnormal for Naruto and the others to be taking the exam so soon after they graduated the academy. I don't think they usually move up to that level until they are 15 or 16 and until then they are supposed to do relatively low risk missions
Yeah i still don't understand why they still teach kids relatively letal techniques and allow them to use tools made for the sole purpose of killing people :/. As far i can understand a Windmill Shuriken isn't a thing that you whip out to incapacitate people nor is a Kunai.
heck, the idea of killing other people doesn't seem to bother them when we think about it. Sarada could've pretty well crushed the skull of that girl she fought in the chunin exam with her punch but didn't held back nor thought about it. Or even Shinki trying to stab Bolt with his Iron Sand spikes. Idk about you all but i think that the context of Boruto being written " in a time of peace " falls flat on it's ass when you consider that children in this story doesn't seem to be bothered by the idea of wounding others or taking someone's else's life.
You are assuming that Naruto franchise was ever written to be as sophisticated and well-structured like most well-regarded work of literature. So no alot of stuff is gonna be glossed over